Horry: "Hakeem was 20 times better than Duncan and I'd have 10 rings if Manu would...

[urunobili]

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=19552577&sf85529189=1

Shots fired!

[RD2191]

Who?

[dabom]

Dude is a pussy beta. Coat ridding and now he thinks he good. :lol

[Thomas82]

I think somebody is still bitter with how things ended with the Spurs.

[cd98]

Hakeem was damn good and in his prime, probably better than Duncan, but my memory is he aged poorly and dropped off significantly. End of the day, people look at rings and Duncan has more and as many accolades.

[TheGreatYacht]

Manure getting called a playoff choker, something we all knew btw :lmao

:cry but he dives for the ball :cry

HOTS showed up, always. Horry knows

[TheGreatYacht]

At the end of the day:

Duncan - 5
Spearchucker - 2**

Spearchucker decided to call it day once Robinson finally had some help instead of Vinny fucking Del Negro and 10ppg Avery Johnson

[Brazil]

:lmao horry is as dumb as his feet tbh

[weebo]

Manure getting called a playoff choker, something we all knew btw :lmao

:cry but he dives for the ball :cry

HOTS showed up, always. Horry knows

Seriously, are you this fucking stupid? Smh...

[bic50]

What did he say about manu?

[TheGreatYacht]

What did he say about manu?
If Manu would've showed up, Horry would've had 10 rings

[Russ]

None of this takes away from Horry's great shot in 2005 or his great miss in 2003 -- two Spurs titles thanks to Big Shot Bob.

:flag:

[Brazil]

What did he say about manu?

if Manu had done what he was supposed he would have 10 rings

[TheGreatYacht]

Seriously, are you this fucking stupid? Smh...
Pipe down, illegal.


No more Aldridge please...I rather have Bonner out there

[TD 21]

:lmao At this bitter, fat loser, with his flamboyant blazer, trying desperately to look hip
:lmao At 85%, when Olajuwon actually shot 71.2% for his career compared to Duncan's 69.6%

It'll more than likely never happen, but just one time I'd like to see someone affiliated with the Spurs, rip Horry, Jackson or Blair. All ungrateful scum.

Now that the prevalence of analytics have exposed Bryant in recent years, Olajuwon is the most overrated player in modern NBA history. The metrics don't indicate he was better than Duncan nor did the eye test, but he was flashier and had gaudier counting stats, so middle aged, archaic, nostalgic types love to romanticize his two year run in '94 and '95. Funny how most of these idiots are big on rings, but somehow in this case they never seem to matter.

[HarlemHeat37]

Not surprising, he's been publicly bitter about the way his Spurs' stint ended, tbh..he acts like he wasn't horrendous at the end of his career:lol insufferable since rejoining the Lakers family..

He's correct that Pedolajuwon was a better scorer than Duncan, but his argument of 20x better because he was a superior FT shooter was predictably stupid..pretty typical of ex players, though..

I don't really understand his Manu comment..the Dirk foul, I'm assuming, but that was just 1 title run..

[HarlemHeat37]

To be fair, though, outside of 2007 and the Mavs' series in 2006, Duncan wasn't the same player when they played together..his 2004 run was poor, his 2005 run was killed by his ankles, he had PF throughout the 2006 season and was clearly past his prime in 2008..

Pedolajuwon was at his peak when he played with Horry..he also picked him over prime Shaq, which is ridiculous IMO, only Jordan and LeBron had equal peak abilities to Shaq..

[bic50]

if Manu had done what he was supposed he would have 10 rings
Thanks. Didn't want to listen to him disrespect Timmy

[RD2191]

It's sad when you have to throw old teammates under the bus to stay relevant.

[Chris]

Uh oh here comes Manu fan :lol

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shots fired... shots missed

[dabom]

Uh oh here comes Manu fan :lol

Horry talks shit about Duncan and all you can think about are Manu fans. :lol

[Chris]

Not surprising, he's been publicly bitter about the way his Spurs' stint ended, tbh..he acts like he wasn't horrendous at the end of his career:lol insufferable since rejoining the Lakers family..

He's correct that Pedolajuwon was a better scorer than Duncan, but his argument of 20x better because he was a superior FT shooter was predictably stupid..pretty typical of ex players, though..

I don't really understand his Manu comment..the Dirk foul, I'm assuming, but that was just 1 title run..

Same as SJax; both have selective memories. Both were garbage at the end of their Spur's run.

[RD2191]

shots fired... shots missed

:lmao

[dabom]

Missing the playoffs in your prime. :lol
Jordan retiring. :lol
Only 2 rings. :lol
Getting traded at the end. :lol

[Mal]

Holy fuck, 20 fucking times. Not - better than, twice better, but fucking 20 time better, and yet still Kirby is above The Dream. Lmao

[daslicer]

Watched the clip. Paul Pierce clowned him for making that statement which was pretty funny.

[TD 21]

He's correct that Pedolajuwon was a better scorer than Duncan, but his argument of 20x better because he was a superior FT shooter was predictably stupid..pretty typical of ex players, though..

Based on what, their scoring averages? :lol They had similar skillsets and scored with the same level of efficiency (from fg% to ft% to ts%; though Duncan got to the line at an appreciably higher rate), the reason for the gap in volume, was because Olajuwon had a bunch more seasons where he played a lot more minutes and naturally attempted a lot more shots (4 times 30 or more usage rate, compared to 1 time for Duncan).

You can't say Duncan is top 5 all-time, then in virtually every comparison act like he's overrated and also denigrate the rings argument.

[houston spurs fan]

Fake news

[tonight...you]

Horry likes hyperbole, but then again, he's hit like a kabillion, trillion clutch shots in his career.
Hence: "Big Shot Rob"

Never mind everybody thought he was wasting his talent throughout his entire career with his lazy play and that he could have had a MUCH better career, given his abilities.

Super-kabillion clutch shots yo! A million times more than the next closest, fools. Maybe a trillion...

[TheGreatYacht]

if Manu had done what he was supposed horry would have 10 rings
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzxiyu8Btb1qj3i85.gif

[Play Boban]

:cry

[Play Boban]

I bet Horry would have more rings if he wasn't a better player tbh.

[tonight...you]

I bet Horry would have more rings if he wasn't a better player tbh.
Nah... he could have been a better player, but he actually liked to laze around on great teams and show up in the playoffs for shits and giggles.
The OG ring chaser and he was doing it in his youth and prime.

He'd have less if teams had to really rely on him full time.

[MaNu4Tres]

Horry is scum.

Most overrated role player in the history of the NBA

[Down Under]

Not surprising, he's been publicly bitter about the way his Spurs' stint ended, tbh..he acts like he wasn't horrendous at the end of his career:lol insufferable since rejoining the Lakers family..

He's correct that Pedolajuwon was a better scorer than Duncan, but his argument of 20x better because he was a superior FT shooter was predictably stupid..pretty typical of ex players, though..

I don't really understand his Manu comment..the Dirk foul, I'm assuming, but that was just 1 title run..
He had more moves, but Duncan attracted more attention in the post - it was an automatic double team everytime they threw the ball to him for 12 years, opening up the floor for the other shooters.

[Down Under]

:lol he couldn't even remember that Olajuwon & Duncan had the same Free Throw Percentage. That Lakers series in 2008, he was so bad he could barely move. He kept saying after the series, 'I'm smarter that 98% of the league' so he was lobbying to stay in the league. No team wanted him, so why would you be butthurt, he was historically bad that season and couldn't accept that he was totally finished. Both players had similar peaks, but Duncan had a much better career.

[DesignatedT]

The fuck

[lefty20]

We appreciate the game 5 and the hip check big fella, but go fuck yourself.

[rastaspur]

As a university of alabama graduate I have always backed horry and been a big fan. That ends today.

Bitter ass clown.

Manu was twenty times the player he should have been.
Saying hakeem was 20 times the player duncan was is stupid as hell.

[ElNono]

Big Shot Rob talking about the Spurs Big 2 Alphas, nothing to see here...

[bigfan]

Akeem was great but I still remember one of the first games I went to getting to see him get the crap knocked out of him under the basket by Artis. As for Horry, a sad case of trying to stir up some self promotion.

[TheGreatYacht]

A lot of disrespectful cunts in here tbh... Spurs don't ring in 2005 without Duncan.... and Horry.

What he said about Duncan is obviously autistic but other than that he was spot on.

[therealtruth]

Don't forget his contributions in game 5 against the Pistons in '05. The one where TD could have sealed the game at the end with free throws. Maybe that stuck in his mind.

[Dverde]

I remember that first season with the Spurs when he was horrid in the playoffs. I'll excuse it because he was vital in that Detroit series. I can see the argument about prime vs prime, but its apples and oranges in my opinion.

[Dverde]

The guy whose nickname is Truth thinks your view is stupid says it all.

[spurs10]

This is old bullshit and he used to act like he was f*cking with Tim when he'd say shit like this because of the fts. His Manu schtick was also said playfully back when, but maybe he's saying it again. I like the post about how he helped us greatly in 2005 and in 2003 when he was with the Lakers. A great bench player in his day....no hate....2005 was badass!

[Budkin]

This sucks tbh. I liked Horry on the Spurs.

[weeks]

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[BatManu20]

This was totally unprompted by Horry. What a sack of shit tbh. Thank for Game 5, but fuck off otherwise.

[Dex]

This sucks tbh. I liked Horry on the Spurs.

Me too. "Back to Horry for 3" will always hold a special place in my heart.

But Rob has never really been appreciative of his time on the Spurs. We helped him get 2 rings in 5 years (which obviously weren't happened with the Lakers in that stretch) and he never averaged more than 7PPG here.

Granted, he did have to experience '04 and '06...perhaps the Spurs 2nd and 3rd most bitter playoff flameouts...although this year has entered as a new challenger with Kawhi going down.

Either way, I believe he is exaggerating with his comments here...but it still doesn't jive well with me. Obviously, Duncan rivals Hakeem, so there is no way that one was "20x" better than the other...and the late dig on Manu seems kinda bullshit from a guy who had one amazing game while he was in San Antonio compared to a guy who made a career of them.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

shots fired... shots missed


:lmao

ROBINSON WITH THE REBOUND IT WAS IN, AND, OUT!

[ElNono]

Not surprising, he's been publicly bitter about the way his Spurs' stint ended, tbh..he acts like he wasn't horrendous at the end of his career:lol insufferable since rejoining the Lakers family..

He's correct that Pedolajuwon was a better scorer than Duncan, but his argument of 20x better because he was a superior FT shooter was predictably stupid..pretty typical of ex players, though..

I don't really understand his Manu comment..the Dirk foul, I'm assuming, but that was just 1 title run..

He's just pointing out the obvious, tbh, that Manu was the other difference maker with Tim... makes sense... I can't think he's talking about Manu hurting his ankle in '08, tbh, he dragged his fat ass to the WCF in the first place...

[dabom]

Role players talking shit about not getting carried enough. :lol

[RD2191]

Role players talking shit about not getting carried enough. :lol

He's just a bitter old faggot trying to stay relevant TBH.

[Thomas82]

Akeem was great but I still remember one of the first games I went to getting to see him get the crap knocked out of him under the basket by Artis. As for Horry, a sad case of trying to stir up some self promotion.

I still remember the game where The Admiral held him to 6 points.

[SPURt]

We appreciate the game 5 and the hip check big fella, but go fuck yourself.

[LkrFan]

Dream > Duncan? Of course. Difference: Pop > Rudy tbh

[dabom]

How the fuck do you miss the playoffs in your prime in a weak conference. :lmao

[hater]

If Manu would've showed up, Horry would've had 10 rings

:lmao truth nuke

[John B]

Olajuwon was a flamboyant scorer, great footwork. But did he will Rockets to championship? Nope. Even with the twin tower. Not until Jordan retired, and fizzled out to mediocrity when Jordan returned. And needed a Dream Team member Drexler to do it. Timmy and Co took down Shaq and Kobe on their prime, and LeBron twice and with his amazing friends. Come on. Timmy's game is "boring," but to basketball enthusiast it was effective. Timmy was 20 times better than the dream. But like McGrady, Iverson, Carter, etc. Those guys can score, but don't have what it takes to win at the highest level. Horry's an idiot! :ihit

[emanueldavidginobili]

I stopped watching after Horry said he could shut down Scottie Pippen, that's when I knew he was trolling. Horry couldn't guard a tree.

[DAF86]

I wonder what Mario Elie has to say about it. Either way, he still didn't play with Timmy in '03. That would have been worth comparing.

And I don't get that shit about Manu. Let's say he's talking about the Dirk foul, that's one championship and that run doesn't have anything to do with Pierce (to whom he was adressing the commment to) since the Celtics weren't relevant in '06. I guess he could be talking about '08, but how is that Manu fault when he dragged his non-minutes getting ass to the WCF on one ankle, and lost to a clearly superior team?

[Atl Spur]

This rubbish is not even worth commenting on.......total foolishness!! Tim = Beast....PERIOD

[Proxy]

haha... why take this seriously, he's fucking around, and Pierce called his ass out and he got defensive, which was funny.

Horry has always defended the team he was on during his prime.

[Proxy]

didn't he say Rudy T was a better coach than Pop too? :lol

[Ice009]

These shots Horry fired are about as egregious as the one he fired at the end of game 5 in the 2004 Lakers series. Way off. And to think he was one of my favourite players while on the Spurs. What a piece of shit.

The only thing I will agree on is - we should have won 5 in a row (2004 and 2006 are ones where I still feel the Spurs were the best team and let them go), but that still only makes 9 Championships for him. I don't know where he's getting that 10th one from. Manu was too injured in 2008 to do anything, so unless that fat piece of shit Horry did his job and stopped being lazy and played to his potential, maybe we could have somehow won that series, but still not likely without a healthy Manu. If he's blaming Manu for being injured that year, then he's acting like a total fuckwit.

[DaBears]

This will sum up this whole conversation..

When players & fans are asked Who is the best center of all time: I don't believe you hear Hakeem's named mentioned, not even in the top 5 of his position. Now when same question asked who is the best Power Forward of all time 'their reply is Time Duncan...
''Mic drop!!

End of Story...

** I would like to point out that i am a Hakeem the dream fan, as the man abused my all time favorite player " the Admiral " in 94 or 95 playoff run. Robinson to me still had an overall better career than the Dream did..

End of Story.. Shit Stephen J is still bitter about how things ended with him & the Spurs but the man still gives the Spurs respect and would be foolish enough to say that..

[gilmor]

If Michael Jordon didn't retire, you will have 5 fewer rings..muahaha

[Emperor]

Prime Euroleague Sabonis was 20× better than Olajuwon.

[Mikeanaro]

At the time Spurs won his last ring (2007) he said they were one of the greatest teams ever, even capable to beat the 80's Lakers teams.
Now this? Why? I tell you why

Around 2008 he was done and thought Spurs could give him one more year, then started flirting with playing for some team but it had to be in a warm state, went to Phoenix and it was lame.

Always proud of his 7 rings, but now feels diminished just like a super "ROLE PLAYER" while seeing Bowen getting his jersey retired and TP and Manu will have theirs, thats like the whole starting line up, who is missing and who will never have his jersey retired?

[BillMc]

At the time Spurs won his last ring (2007) he said they were one of the greatest teams ever, even capable to beat the 80's Lakers teams.
Now this? Why? I tell you why

Around 2008 he was done and thought Spurs could give him one more year, then started flirting with playing for some team but it had to be in a warm state, went to Phoenix and it was lame.

Always proud of his 7 rings, but now feels diminished just like a super "ROLE PLAYER" while seeing Bowen getting his jersey retired and TP and Manu will have theirs, thats like the whole starting line up, who is missing and who will never have his jersey retired?
Truth

[houston spurs fan]

Same guy who says Rudy T was a better coach than Phil and Pop. Nothing more to see here. The criminal here is ESPN for giving him a platform...

[boutons_deux]

a stats monkey of a friend sent me this

"Tim’s career FT% was 69.6 with a PER of 24.2.

Olajuwon’s was career FT% was 71.2, not 85% as Horry said. His PER was 23.6.

Tim’s WS (Win Shares) was 203.6 to 162.8 for Olajuwon. "

[cutewizard]

:bang

[Brazil]

:lol I'm not even mad tbh... dude is a moron, his comments are so trumpish that he discredited himself... :lol 85%, 20 times better, Manu... dat some pretty stupid shit almost as bad as Climate change is chinese invention or cigarets don't kill

[jag]

Hakeem had a higher ceiling. The problem is that it didn't last very long.

[Ice009]

Hakeem had a higher ceiling. The problem is that it didn't last very long.

What good is a higher ceiling if it caves in quite quickly? That higher ceiling didn't last for very long after it was reached. I'd much rather a solid structure that stands the test of time.

Horry is acting like a tool. I have no idea why he's sprouting off like this.

[Venti Quattro]

Hakeem had a higher ceiling. The problem is that it didn't last very long.

He coincided in an era when four powers ruled the league - the Showtime Lakers, the Celtics, the Pistons, and the Bulls.

Granted, he got his rings in 94 and 95 but when Jordan came back, it was over. The West had them figured out by then as well.

[peacemaker885]

Meh, he's entitled to his own opinion.

[clambake]

20 times


ridiculous

[tmtcsc]

I'll always be grateful for Game 5 but Horry's comments were astonishingly disrespectful. His remarks were so over-the-top comment and blatantly false that people won't interpret it as "Wow, Hakeem must have been really great", but rather "Fuck, that is one bitter dude. What the hell happened to him while with the Spurs?"

If that wasn't enough, he throws Manu's name in there too? Got damn. Horry never committed himself to being great but played great at crucial moments. Talking shit like that will hurt his legacy and reputation if he doesn't come correct.

[rjv]

Hakeem was damn good and in his prime, probably better than Duncan, but my memory is he aged poorly and dropped off significantly. End of the day, people look at rings and Duncan has more and as many accolades. i would argue that hakeem, in his prime, was better than duncan in his prime but that duncan had a far more consistent career and was thus a better player overall. hakeem was still a work in progress for several years out of college and, as you mentioned, tailed off towards the end much, much more than duncan did. in fact, it was sad to watch duncan, as a pup, just dismantle hakeem, in his twilight.

[poop]

Horry is forever immune to criticism due to his 2005 game 5 performance.

That said, hakeem is one of only 3-4 players id take over Duncan. As great as duncan was, hakeem was a little bit better

[Horse]

Cocksucker has a lot of nerve if they don't double Manu he doesn't get his biggest moment with the Spurs.

[Phenomanul]

Horry is forever immune to criticism due to his 2005 game 5 performance.

That said, hakeem is one of only 3-4 players id take over Duncan. As great as duncan was, hakeem was a little bit better

I guess people forget the playoff years where Olajuwon simply mailed it in... Duncan's professionalism to the sport and his competitive fire would never let him do something as low as that.

[rjv]

also, duncan's only convenience store faux pas is his penchant to shoot the bird at people filming him with their cell phones, wheres hakeem (sorry, akeem) had a problem with punching 7-Eleven clerks.

[DJR210]

Fake news

Exactly my thoughts

[DarrinS]

Says that and proceeds to get shit on by Pierce and SJax. :lol

[cd98]

Says that and proceeds to get shit on by Pierce and SJax. :lol

Pierce is actually a pretty smart and funny commentator from what I've seen. Interesting how ESPN likes S Jackson. He's getting the microphone a lot.

[dbreiden83080]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug. It's amazing the things kids will do these days..

[dbreiden83080]

Hakeem is one of the most overrated players of the 80's and 90's. Was he the best center of that era? Yes. But he was leagues and leagues better than Ewing and Robinson? No way.

[urunobili]

While humor was made of the comment thanks to P.Pierce and SJax, it's pretty incendiary how he backed it up and used the FT % thing to claim he was clutcher than TD.

Hurts a lot as well to take into consideration that yes, Manu could have passed him the ball at the end of regulation in "the foul" game as he was wide open when Manu tried to redeem himself and go for the win, I'm not sure he could blame him for 04 and 08 TBH

I loved this dude big time... now I'm not really sure what to feel about him...

[TheGreatYacht]

Horry is forever immune to criticism due to his 2005 game 5 performance.

That said, hakeem is one of only 3-4 players id take over Duncan. As great as duncan was, hakeem was a little bit better
What a fucking retard you are

[Budkin]

"20x better" is utterly laughable. Prime Timmy was practicality unguardable. He would totally have held his own.

[poop]

What a fucking retard you are

Im right

[SASdynasty!]

Hakeem wasn't even 20 times better than Horry, tbh

[hitmanyr2k]

Nah... he could have been a better player, but he actually liked to laze around on great teams and show up in the playoffs for shits and giggles.
The OG ring chaser and he was doing it in his youth and prime.

He'd have less if teams had to really rely on him full time.

Yep, the Horry mindset...

"If I hit it we win, if I miss y'all are going to blame the stars for losing the game anyway. There's no pressure on me. The pressure is on the megastars."

He's criticizing stars and talking about work ethic when he never wanted the pressure of being a star himself. That lazy MF came back with the same game every year and didn't even think about improving his game.

[dbreiden83080]

This was totally unprompted by Horry. What a sack of shit tbh. Thank for Game 5, but fuck off otherwise.

Stephen Jackson went on Undisputed today and basically said he was bat shit crazy for saying that..

[dbreiden83080]

Yep, the Horry mindset...

"If I hit it we win, if I miss y'all are going to blame the stars for losing the game anyway. There's no pressure on me. The pressure is on the megastars."

He's criticizing stars and talking about work ethic when he never wanted the pressure of being a star himself. That lazy MF came back with the same game every year and didn't even think about improving his game.

He actually was questioning Duncan's work ethic. There are so many stories from team mates, coaches you name it that his work ethic was insane. A gym rat. And then he takes a shot at Manu too. WTF Rob???

[Seventyniner]

He actually was questioning Duncan's work ethic. There are so many stories from team mates, coaches you name it that his work ethic was insane. A gym rat. And then he takes a shot at Manu too. WTF Rob???

Well put. Horry's words are such a polar opposite that what basically everyone else has said that you have think he has an agenda of some sort.

[SupremeGuy]

Missing the playoffs in your prime. :lol
Jordan retiring. :lol
Only 2 rings. :lol
Getting traded at the end. :lolHoly fuck I had totally forgotten about that...

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Manure getting called a playoff choker, something we all knew btw :lmao

:cry but he dives for the ball :cry

HOTS showed up, always. Horry knows

Despite your silly attempt at Manu I take what he said as a sign of respect. Just mentioning Manu next to a championship says it all. He will never say that about your beloved Parker

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Hakeem was good for a few years until he declined overnight. He cannot be compared to Duncan, jesus

[dbreiden83080]

Hakeem was good for a few years until he declined overnight. He cannot be compared to Duncan, jesus

My view of him was always that his peak was pretty damn short. The Rockets finally emerged and won 2 titles and then after that he kind of went away pretty quick. Jordan came back to the league and the rockets were never in serious contention ever again. Even when they tried to put together a super team with Pippen in Barkley they didn't do anything. Hell in that second season they won the championship their regular-season record was awful.

[daslicer]

My view of him was always that his peak was pretty damn short. The Rockets finally emerged and won 2 titles and then after that he kind of went away pretty quick. Jordan came back to the league and the rockets were never in serious contention ever again. Even when they tried to put together a super team with Pippen in Barkley they didn't do anything. Hell in that second season they won the championship their regular-season record was awful.

Hakeem's peak was one of the greatest peaks I have ever seen but it was only for 2 years. As a player he massively underachieved. He had a stretch from 87-92 where he couldn't get out of the first round along with missing the playoffs one year. He didn't have the patience or IQ Duncan had to win more with less talent until the tail end of his prime which coincided with his 2 championships. He's massively overrated due to his 93-95 run.

[SAGirl]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug. It's amazing the things kids will do these days..
:lol

[SAGirl]

Makes one think about the sort of egos Pop kept in check. Dude has a massive ego.

[cd98]

Not sure what the big deal is. Horry wants to get a regular gig on ESPN, so he's ripping on Spur players, like most other commentators still left on that network.

[Brazil]

The only thing arguable is peak Duncan vs. peak Hakeem, quite close tbh.. now in terms of career Duncan >> Hakeem.

[davidbowie]

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LOL FUCK U AND FUCK TACO BELL BLOATED WILL SMITH FACE ASSSSS
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[dbreiden83080]

"20x better" is utterly laughable. Prime Timmy was practicality unguardable. He would totally have held his own.

I remember a play in the 2003 finals i think it was game 1, Timmy forces the miss, grabs the rebound, and fires a perfect strike down court to a running Stephen Jackson for the dunk, all in one sequence. Timmy could control the game in all phases like a very rare few that have ever played basketball...

[dbreiden83080]

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LOL FUCK U AND FUCK TACO BELL BLOATED WILL SMITH FACE ASSSSS
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Now he backpedals like a son of a bitch LOL!! Clown much..

[Horse]

I remember a play in the 2003 finals i think it was game 1, Timmy forces the miss, grabs the rebound, and fires a perfect strike down court to a running Stephen Jackson for the dunk, all in one sequence. Timmy could control the game in all phases like a very rare few that have ever played basketball...

One of the best outlet passers ever.

[Ice009]

I've had enough of this shit. This is the biggest load of shit I've ever heard.

I used to say that if I was starting a team I'd take either Olajuwon or Duncan. Now that Robert Horry has made me think about it, I would always take Tim Duncan and not just because I'm biased. I'd rather a great, strong foundation that stands the test of time rather than a slightly higher ceiling that only lasted/lasts for 2-3 years.

Anyone remember that game where the Dream Team II went up against a college team? The game where the college team was going up against them and pushed them, well that team had a young Tim Duncan that gave those legendary centers on the Dream Team all they could handle, and that was before he even played an NBA game. Shea Seals, anyone remember him? No, exactly. Tim Duncan pushed those kids up to another level. He has always been legendary.

Hakeem had a good 2 or 3 year stretch and that's it. Fuck Hakeem and fuck Horry too. He can go fuck Hakeem up the ass if he likes him that much. I fucking wish the '95 Spurs had some better players around D Rob so we don't have to keep hearing this shit. If you're asking me right now, I'd even take D Rob over Hakeem. I feel D Rob got short changed in the all-time great arguments, and that IMO all because he never had a great supporting cast. I think prime D Rob would have kicked ass had he had a great supporting cast like some of these clowns. Take out anyone from this current Warriors team and replace them with a prime D Rob right now, and that team could fuck anyone up.

Oh, and if Robert Horry had of been better in 2004 and 2006, and maybe even 2008, then yeah, he may have had close to ten rings. Why the fuck didn't he step up in those years, especially 2004 and 2006. Fucking, bitch. Why doesn't he take some of the blame?

[poop]

Lmao at the kiddie dorks on this thread saying hakeem had a 'short peak' and was only good 94-95 lmfao..those were actually the LAST years of his peak...the guy was an absolute beast on both ends of the floor since the mid 80's..he put up some of the most ridiculous numbers of any player ever, and his playoff numbers were even more insane. They were playing in the west with the showtime lakers for gods sake and still got to the Finals his second season, where they have a good fight to the peak Bird Celtics who were considered of of the best teams of all time. He may have not had a good enough team, and the right time, to win titles until 94 but to say he was ho-hum prior to that is insanely stupid

[BatManu20]

Hakeem is one of the most overrated players of the 80's and 90's. Was he the best center of that era? Yes. But he was leagues and leagues better than Ewing and Robinson? No way.



Yep. For all Hakeem's greatness (and he was great), he had 9 first round exits, including being swept 3 times and blown out 6 times in the postseason, in his 18-year career. For a Center people seem to treat like a God, offensively he never even led the league in shot % once. He got dominated by a 39 year-old Kareem who dropped 46 points on him. An old Artis Gilmore averaged 60% from the field against him in a series. Hakeem was also outshot, outrebounded, outassisted, and outblocked by Shaq in the '95 Finals that he supposedly "dominated" The Diesel in. And lastly, Hakeem averaged a combined 9 PPG in his last 3 seasons... his game fell off big time those last 3 years, and in his final season with the Raptors he was beyond washed, whereas Duncan was still contributing to a perennial title contender til his very last game.

[Ice009]

Lmao at the kiddie dorks on this thread saying hakeem had a 'short peak' and was only good 94-95 lmfao..those were actually the LAST years of his peak...the guy was an absolute beast on both ends of the floor since the mid 80's..he put up some of the most ridiculous numbers of any player ever, and his playoff numbers were even more insane. They were playing in the west with the showtime lakers for gods sake and still got to the Finals his second season, where they have a good fight to the peak Bird Celtics who were considered of of the best teams of all time. He may have not had a good enough team, and the right time, to win titles until 94 but to say he was ho-hum prior to that is insanely stupid

Have a look at the record all of those Rockets teams. 40 wins, 42 wins, 45 wins (they're not exact win totals, but it gives you the idea of how mediocre they were). Yeah, he was so great that most of his teams were in the 40 win column. Why did the Lakers always get to the finals? Well that is because the West sucked ass back then and most of Hakeem's teams weren't good enough. He was also a very selfish player, so again, the more I think about it, there is no comparison to Tim Duncan.

[Thomas82]

I remember a play in the 2003 finals i think it was game 1, Timmy forces the miss, grabs the rebound, and fires a perfect strike down court to a running Stephen Jackson for the dunk, all in one sequence. Timmy could control the game in all phases like a very rare few that have ever played basketball...

That's the TD I remember!!

[poop]

Have a look at the record all of those Rockets teams. 40 wins, 42 wins, 45 wins (they're not exact win totals, but it gives you the idea of how mediocre they were). Yeah, he was so great that most of his teams were in the 40 win column. Why did the Lakers always get to the finals? Well that is because the West sucked ass back then and most of Hakeem's teams weren't good enough. He was also a very selfish player, so again, the more I think about it, there is no comparison to Tim Duncan.

I love tim duncan. He was amazing in every way. But id still take hakeem first. Its super close, but hakeem was simply a tad better player. What team is put around him isnt really his to control.
Can you even imagine what he would do in todays league? He was putting up anthony davis numbers in an era stacked sith dominant bigs and low scoring grind it out games

[TD4THREE]

I love tim duncan. He was amazing in every way. But id still take hakeem first. Its super close, but hakeem was simply a tad better player. What team is put around him isnt really his to control.
Can you even imagine what he would do in todays league? He was putting up anthony davis numbers in an era stacked sith dominant bigs and low scoring grind it out gamesThe bold simply isn't true, Hakeem's era was every bit(often more so) as high scoring and fast paced as the league is now, and a great deal more so than when Duncan was in his prime 99-07. That coupled with how perimeter oriented the league is now, I don't really see him breaking the league. He'd still be far and away the best big man obviously.

[TD 21]

Yep. For all Hakeem's greatness (and he was great), he had 9 first round exits, including being swept 3 times and blown out 6 times in the postseason, in his 18-year career. For a Center people seem to treat like a God, offensively he never even led the league in shot % once. He got dominated by a 39 year-old Kareem who dropped 46 points on him. An old Artis Gilmore averaged 60% from the field against him in a series. Hakeem was also outshot, outrebounded, outassisted, and outblocked by Shaq in the '95 Finals that he supposedly "dominated" The Diesel in. And lastly, Hakeem averaged a combined 9 PPG in his last 3 seasons... his game fell off big time those last 3 years, and in his final season with the Raptors he was beyond washed, whereas Duncan was still contributing to a perennial title contender til his very last game.

That's like saying Curry isn't the best three-point shooter ever because he's never lead the league in 3-point percentage. Percentage isn't just based on skill, but difficulty or lack thereof.

Guys like Olajuwon and Duncan were better at creating their own shot than guys like O'Neal and Howard, but because they weren't overpowering, freak athletes (young Olajuwon was the latter, but not former), who could feast on a steady diet of dunks, they naturally had lesser field goal percentages.

The dumbest argument, in virtually any player comparison, is counting stats. Advanced stats, era, mindset, teammates, all have to be factored in to have the proper context. You can't just take someone's raw totals and surmise that that's all a player was capable of averaging.

[tonight...you]

That's like saying Curry isn't the best three-point shooter ever because he's never lead the league in 3-point percentage. Percentage isn't just based on skill, but difficulty or lack thereof.

Guys like Olajuwon and Duncan were better at creating their own shot than guys like O'Neal and Howard, but because they weren't overpowering, freak athletes (young Olajuwon was the latter, but not former), who could feast on a steady diet of dunks, they naturally had lesser field goal percentages.

The dumbest argument, in virtually any player comparison, is counting stats. Advanced stats, era, mindset, teammates, all have to be factored in to have the proper context. You can't just take someone's raw totals and surmise that that's all a player was capable of averaging.
Great point and post.

[lefty]

Rob is wrong



Hakeem is 50 times better than Duncan

[therealtruth]

TD never had Hakeem's athleticism.

[tmtcsc]

TD never had Hakeem's athleticism.

Few players have. David RObinson, Shawn Kemp, Chris Webber?

[tmtcsc]

The bold simply isn't true, Hakeem's era was every bit(often more so) as high scoring and fast paced as the league is now, and a great deal more so than when Duncan was in his prime 99-07. That coupled with how perimeter oriented the league is now, I don't really see him breaking the league. He'd still be far and away the best big man obviously.

You are wrong...by a lot. Check here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1994.html

In 1993 (The first year the Rockets won a Championship), the highest scoring team (Phoenix Suns) averaged 108 pts a game. This season, there were at least 6 teams that averaged more. Also, there were 10 teams that averaged less than 100 pts per game. This season, only the Mavericks failed to do so.

[Brazil]

Rob is wrong



Hakeem is 50 times better than Duncan

you are on the stupid business lately ?

go root for the rockets tbh

[TD4THREE]

You are wrong...by a lot. Check here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1994.html

In 1993 (The first year the Rockets won a Championship), the highest scoring team (Phoenix Suns) averaged 108 pts a game. This season, there were at least 6 teams that averaged more. Also, there were 10 teams that averaged less than 100 pts per game. This season, only the Mavericks failed to do so.

Nice job cherry picking one season. :toast Notice how I said "era" which implies more than one season. I can show you several seasons from Hakeem's day that were higher scoring, in fact the league had higher scoring averages every year up until he was 30.

Look at this chart and tell me Hakeem's era was slow paced and low scoring. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

League scoring averages Hakeem's first 11 seasons

(84-85) 110.8 ppg
(85-86) 110.2 ppg
(86-87) 109.9 ppg
(87-88) 108.2 ppg
(88-89) 109.2 ppg
(89-90) 107.0 ppg
(90-91) 106.3 ppg
(91-92) 105.3 ppg
(92-93) 105.3 ppg
(93-94) 101.5 ppg
(94-95) 101.4 ppg

League scoring averages last three seasons

(16-17) 105.6 ppg
(15-16) 102.7 ppg
(14-15) 100.0 ppg

[Spurtacular]

Dude is a pussy beta. Coat ridding and now he thinks he good. :lol

Cept in Game 5 of the 2005 Finals. And you're a pussy beta, so I'm sure you have no problem spotting your kind, though.

[Thomas82]

If Michael Jordon didn't retire, you will have 5 fewer rings..muahaha

If Sean Elliott would have passed his physical, Horry might not have a ring.

[poop]

Nice job cherry picking one season. :toast Notice how I said "era" which implies more than one season. I can show you several seasons from Hakeem's day that were higher scoring, in fact the league had higher scoring averages every year up until he was 30.

Look at this chart and tell me Hakeem's era was slow paced and low scoring. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

League scoring averages Hakeem's first 11 seasons

(84-85) 110.8 ppg
(85-86) 110.2 ppg
(86-87) 109.9 ppg
(87-88) 108.2 ppg
(88-89) 109.2 ppg
(89-90) 107.0 ppg
(90-91) 106.3 ppg
(91-92) 105.3 ppg
(92-93) 105.3 ppg
(93-94) 101.5 ppg
(94-95) 101.4 ppg

League scoring averages last three seasons

(16-17) 105.6 ppg
(15-16) 102.7 ppg
(14-15) 100.0 ppg

The game was undeniably slower and fundamentally different. Back then teams were built around dominant bigs and would post up more and most teams didnt shoot or make that many 3's. Today teams revolve around penetrating point guards, they shoot TONS of 3's, and LA is virtually the only true post up big left in the game. Virtually all the 3 point records are from the last 4-5 years. I hakeems day he was going up against dominant bigs almost every game, bird/mchale, kareem, ewing, robinson, shaq, mourning, malone etc and defending the same class of guys yet still put up gigantic numbers that frankly destroy anything duncan ever put up (hard to say cause i love TD).
He wasnt '20 times' or any of that bullshit better...it was suuuuper close...hakeem is literally one of only 3-4 players all time id draft over duncan...but he was a taaad better overall

[BatManu20]

From throwing shade at Timmy to throwing hands at his youth basketball camp. Also, Horry looks like he weighs at least 300 lbs here...

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[TheChillFactor]

Lol fighting at a kids basketball game

[cd98]

Probably fighting with someone from Spurs talk calling BS on his Duncan and Manu statements.

[RD2191]

Lol. What a bum. Fuck Horry, old salty ass faggot.

[dbreiden83080]

TD never had Hakeem's athleticism.

Tim in his prime was actually a very underrated athlete IMO. He was never a big jumper, but he ran the floor like a deer, and had great handles for a big. Amazing hands, Tim could catch anything.

[Thomas82]

Tim in his prime was actually a very underrated athlete IMO. He was never a big jumper, but he ran the floor like a deer, and had great handles for a big. Amazing hands, Tim could catch anything.

+1

[TheChillFactor]

What has the world come to when "Spurs fans" are taking Hakeem The Jihadi Dream over Duncan???

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2005-02-09-olajuwon-mosque-terrorism_x.htm

[bklynspursfan]

Tim in his prime was actually a very underrated athlete IMO. He was never a big jumper, but he ran the floor like a deer, and had great handles for a big. Amazing hands, Tim could catch anything.

Yea people forget how quick and athletic young Timmy was. There's plenty of footage of him out there tho for those who never saw him at that age.

[Phenomanul]

Yea people forget how quick and athletic young Timmy was. There's plenty of footage of him out there tho for those who never saw him at that age.

Including that game against D-Rob, Shaq and Hakeem in preparation for the 1996 Atlanta Games... The USA Select Team almost beat the Dream Team II that game. Duncan was the cog that made that possible.

[Capt Bringdown]

If Hakeem would have had a player of Parker's magnitude on his squad, he would have retired with more rings. It's amazing that Hakeem was able to notch 2 rings with the likes of Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell, Sam Cassell and ball-hog, No-D Drexler in the backcourt.

[cd98]

If Hakeem would have had a player of Parker's magnitude on his squad, he would have retired with more rings. It's amazing that Hakeem was able to notch 2 rings with the likes of Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell, Sam Cassell and ball-hog, No-D Drexler in the backcourt.

Kenny Smith and Sam Cassell were high quality players. Maxwell was kind of like Jonathan Simmons meets Stephen Jackson.

[rastaspur]

If Hakeem would have had a player of Parker's magnitude on his squad, he would have retired with more rings. It's amazing that Hakeem was able to notch 2 rings with the likes of Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell, Sam Cassell and ball-hog, No-D Drexler in the backcourt.

I disagree. Way more talent on those rockets teams than the spurs first championship team by a mile. I will take a Vernon maxwell over jaren Jackson or avery johnson.

[skulls138]

Avery was a great PG. I thought that before he was on the Spurs but still think Rockets were a better team than 99 Spurs. Robinson was mostly defense when Duncan was there, best version of twin towers....speaking of Rockets.

[Capt Bringdown]

Rockets shitty backcourt is why they got bounced from the playoffs in 96 & 97. Amazing what Hakeem was able to do with those turds in 94/95.

[cd98]

Avery was a great PG. I thought that before he was on the Spurs but still think Rockets were a better team than 99 Spurs. Robinson was mostly defense when Duncan was there, best version of twin towers....speaking of Rockets.

No. Robinson was still elite in 1999. Robinson dipped around 2002ish.

[Buddy Mignon]

Hakeem was damn good and in his prime, probably better than Duncan, but my memory is he aged poorly and dropped off significantly. End of the day, people look at rings and Duncan has more and as many accolades.

Jim never defended his shit and never won a gold. What the fuck are you talking about.

[rastaspur]

Avery was a great PG. I thought that before he was on the Spurs but still think Rockets were a better team than 99 Spurs. Robinson was mostly defense when Duncan was there, best version of twin towers....speaking of Rockets.

He was an offensive liability. His last few seasons he managed to hit a wide open 15 foot jumper with some frequency.

Great and avery johnson should never be put in the same sentence.

Well, maybe great recruiter is fitting for this current season of college basketball. He managed to land Colin sexton and hardy.

Alabama should have a good shot at making a lengthy ncaa tournament run this year.

[Buddy Mignon]

The game was undeniably slower and fundamentally different. Back then teams were built around dominant bigs and would post up more and most teams didnt shoot or make that many 3's. Today teams revolve around penetrating point guards, they shoot TONS of 3's, and LA is virtually the only true post up big left in the game. Virtually all the 3 point records are from the last 4-5 years. I hakeems day he was going up against dominant bigs almost every game, bird/mchale, kareem, ewing, robinson, shaq, mourning, malone etc and defending the same class of guys yet still put up gigantic numbers that frankly destroy anything duncan ever put up (hard to say cause i love TD).
He wasnt '20 times' or any of that bullshit better...it was suuuuper close...hakeem is literally one of only 3-4 players all time id draft over duncan...but he was a taaad better overall

No iitwas not super close. Hakeem would have wiped his ass with Jim just like he did pillow lips.