Rinaldo holds the most and second most goals scored in a champions league Season.

[apalisoc_9]

:cry

Truly the GOAT of his generation.

The three best player in the last 20 years are all Ronaldo's :wow

That name must be destined for soccer.

[DAF86]

And still...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGSNSvdXwD4

"Messi is the best. The best there is. The best there has ever been. Possibly the best there will ever be." :hat

https://i.giphy.com/14c4yIVAVWZgnm.gif

[Canyonero]

Rinaldo Martino?

[Bynumite]

Look at how badly FAP is taking GODnaldo outshining the midget that he keeps spamming the same lame reply in every thread. FAP is so salty right now :lmao

5 straight seasons as CL's top scorer and 3 CL trophies to go along with it. GOAT shit :hat

[140]

5 straight seasons as CL's top scorer and 3 CL trophies to go along with it. GOAT shit :hat
:wow

[140]

The three best player in the last 20 years are all Ronaldo's :wow
Damn, good point tbh

[Bynumite]

Another interesting fact, while some stat-pad in the group stage, GOATnaldo's goals per game actually go up during the CL knockout stage.

[Bynumite]

Ronaldo's and Messi's Champions League goals:




Player
Goals
Group Stage
KO Stage


Cristiano Ronaldo
105
51
54


Lionel Messi
94
57
37




Now we see who truly shows up in big games against the european elite, Big Game Naldo.


http://i.imgur.com/QONVIyz.gif

[DAF86]

Ronaldo's and Messi's Champions League goals:




Player
Goals
Group Stage
KO Stage


Cristiano Ronaldo
105
51
54


Lionel Messi
94
57
37




Now we see who truly shows up in big games against the european elite, Big Game Naldo.


http://i.imgur.com/QONVIyz.gif

Too bad he couldn't show up on this big game, tbh.

dmdrRKJ0WRs

[apalisoc_9]

Ronaldo's and Messi's Champions League goals:




Player
Goals
Group Stage
KO Stage


Cristiano Ronaldo
105
51
54


Lionel Messi
94
57
37




Now we see who truly shows up in big games against the european elite, Big Game Naldo.


http://i.imgur.com/QONVIyz.gif

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/whoo.png

[apalisoc_9]

DAF going to the archives to find irrelevant videos :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Ronaldo's and Messi's Champions League goals:




Player
Goals
Group Stage
KO Stage


Cristiano Ronaldo
105
51
54


Lionel Messi
94
57
37




Now we see who truly shows up in big games against the european elite, Big Game Naldo.


http://i.imgur.com/QONVIyz.gif
HOLY SHIT. Alpha shit wow :wow

[DAF86]

DAF going to the archives to find irrelevant videos :lol

Only Barcelona-Madrid CL matchup in history="irrelevant" :lol

:cry "I just present facts" :cry

[lefty]

Ronaldo's and Messi's Champions League goals:




Player
Goals
Group Stage
KO Stage


Cristiano Ronaldo
105
51
54


Lionel Messi
94
57
37




Now we see who truly shows up in big games against the european elite, Big Game Naldo.


http://i.imgur.com/QONVIyz.gif

Well, I'm gonna sound like a Murican but....







...... FACTS

[Brazil]

Apa presents career stat DAF answers with a video of one game....

dat amount of salt is gonna create stones in his kidney tbh... he needs to chill out a bit

:lol

[Jodelo]

B-b-b-b-but he is not salty :madrun:madrun

:lmao

[Phenomanul]

but... how many of those were penalties...

[Bynumite]

but... how many of those were penalties...

Ronaldo and Messi have the exact same number of penalties scored in the Champions League, 11.

Try again :wakeup

[Jodelo]

Daaaaaamn :lol

[140]

:lol jessistans

[Canyonero]

What about goal average sons?

[Phenomanul]

Or goals per shot attempt... statistically I would expect the guy who takes 1.58 more shot attempts per game to score more goals.

Cristiano Ronaldo:

146 Champions League Matches
105 Goals scored
698 Shot attempts
4.78 Shot attempts per game
0.7192 Goals per game
0.1504 Goals per shot attempt

Lionel Messi:

115 Champions League Matches
94 Goals scored
368 Shot attempts
3.20 Shot attempts per game
0.8174 Goals per game
0.2554 Goals per shot attempt

[lefty]

Cool story

Still less goals on KO stage

[DAF86]

All madrid, ronaldo and Zidane fans coming together to reflect on the saltiness of this fact:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGSNSvdXwD4

"Messi is the best. The best there is. The best there has ever been. Possibly the best there will ever be." :hat

https://i.giphy.com/14c4yIVAVWZgnm.gif

And there's nothing they can do to change it. :lol

[dfens]

Or goals per shot attempt... statistically I would expect the guy who takes 1.58 more shot attempts per game to score more goals.

Cristiano Ronaldo:

146 Champions League Matches
105 Goals scored
698 Shot attempts
4.78 Shot attempts per game
0.7192 Goals per game
0.1504 Goals per shot attempt

Lionel Messi:

115 Champions League Matches
94 Goals scored
368 Shot attempts
3.20 Shot attempts per game
0.8174 Goals per game
0.2554 Goals per shot attempt

while this might look scientific and is applicable in a sport like basketball where bringing a ball to a player is basically guaranteed if the offense is anything but inept, this metric is beyond pointless in football where positioning, pressing, testing the keeper and opportunism are far more important qualities. Your argument also doesn't take into account the pressure on the opposing defense caused by headers, set pieces (a very important part of the game) and long ball lone wolf play. misty >>> penaldo but in no way is your argument relevant tbh and penaldo is by far the better poacher.

[Phenomanul]

while this might look scientific and is applicable in a sport like basketball where bringing a ball to a player is basically guaranteed if the offense is anything but inept, this metric is beyond pointless in football where positioning, pressing, testing the keeper and opportunism are far more important qualities. Your argument also doesn't take into account the pressure on the opposing defense caused by headers, set pieces (a very important part of the game) and long ball lone wolf play. misty >>> penaldo but in no way is your argument relevant tbh and penaldo is by far the better poacher.


THAT would be your opinion. What the simple calculation shows is that Messi is a more efficient scorer.

If the point of the thread is to show that somehow Ronaldo is the better player simply because he has more goals than Messi then one could point to the fact that he has taken waaaaaaay more shots than the latter to accomplish the feat.

THIS isn't the standalone argument. All this does is provide proper context to counter the OP's claim.

[dfens]

THAT would be your opinion. What the simple calculation shows is that Messi is a more efficient scorer.

If the point of the thread is to show that somehow Ronaldo is the better player simply because he has more goals than Messi then one could point to the fact that he has taken waaaaaaay more shots than the latter to accomplish the feat.

THIS isn't the standalone argument. All this does is provide proper context to the OP's claim.

I understand the rationale but positioning and positional pressure are the most important stats in football tbh. Compared to basketball, football is more about breaking down order and forcing mistakes then attacking orderly and efficiently, thus a player of lower accuracy but higher offensive versatility is a better poacher because he forces the defense to constantly change strategies. Ronaldo has good accuracy, good long range, can play the pivot, has GOAT aerial game and can fake retreat on the wing with the best of them so you need to constantly change the defense for him. Sure he needs a team to be used properly but on a high end team he puts extreme pressure on the back line alone, while messi's creative game distributes pressure on midfileld and back line. Messi generates more pressure overall but ronaldo generates more on the back line. This opens up more poaching opportunities for ronaldo, thus more goals on a slightly worse accuracy. It's also the reason why ronaldo's rate against top teams doesn't vary that much as top teams can distribute pressure efficiently between midfield and defense .. just look at juventus tbh, and thus can better handle pressure from messi. Assuming a top team, the rate of mistakes caused by ronaldo is higher in high stakes games => more defense collapses => more poaching opportunites.

That's why accuracy is weak stat imo.

[Phenomanul]

I understand the rationale but positioning and positional pressure are the most important stats in football tbh. Compared to basketball, football is more about breaking down order and forcing mistakes then attacking orderly and efficiently, thus a player of lower accuracy but higher offensive versatility is a better poacher because he forces the defense to constantly change strategies. Ronaldo has good accuracy, good long range, can play the pivot, has GOAT aerial game and can fake retreat on the wing with the best of them so you need to constantly change the defense for him. Sure he needs a team to be used properly but on a high end team he puts extreme pressure on the back line alone, while messi's creative game distributes pressure on midfileld and back line. Messi generates more pressure overall but ronaldo generates more on the back line. This opens up more poaching opportunities for ronaldo, thus more goals on a slightly worse accuracy. It's also the reason why ronaldo's rate against top teams doesn't vary that much as top teams can distribute pressure efficiently between midfield and defense .. just look at juventus tbh, and thus can better handle pressure from messi. Assuming a top team, the rate of mistakes caused by ronaldo is higher in high stakes games => more defense collapses => more poaching opportunites.

That's why accuracy is weak stat imo.

I can agree with what you've said... again, I was simply trying to point at the fact that the total number of goals scored in the vacuum of context is a least weighty argument to prove Player 1 was greater than Player 2.