California, China sign climate deal after Trump's Paris exit

[DMX7]

Gov. Jerry Brown has more international respect than Trump at this point. Maybe we should call him President instead.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/07/world/07China/07China-master768.jpg

California Governor Jerry Brown with President of China, Xi Jinping, on Tuesday.


BEIJING
With President Donald Trump pulling the U.S. out of the Paris climate accord, China and California signed an agreement Tuesday to work together on reducing emissions, as the state's governor warned that "disaster still looms" without urgent action.

Gov. Jerry Brown told The Associated Press at an international clean energy conference in Beijing that Trump's decision to pull the U.S. out of the Paris agreement will ultimately prove only a temporary setback.

For now, he said, China, European countries and individual U.S. states will fill the gap left by the federal government's move to abdicate leadership on the issue.

"Nobody can stay on the sidelines. We can't afford any dropouts in the tremendous human challenge to make the transition to a sustainable future," Brown said. "Disaster still looms and we've got to make the turn."

Brown later held a closed-door meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, during which the two pledged to expand trade between California and China with an emphasis on so-called green technologies that could help address climate change, Brown said...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article154537739.html

[TSA]

Gov. Jerry Brown has more international respect than Trump at this point. Maybe we should call him President instead.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/07/world/07China/07China-master768.jpg

California Governor Jerry Brown with President of China, Xi Jinping, on Tuesday.



http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article154537739.html

The Paris climate accord had much more to do with a transfer of wealth/technology than it did reducing emissions. You and Jerry Brown should actually read it.

[boutons_deux]

The Paris climate accord had much more to do with a transfer of wealth/technology than it did reducing emissions. You and Jerry Brown should actually read it.

you, as always, offer NOTHING but bullshit

[DMX7]

NY TIMES - The United States energy secretary, Rick Perry, also attended the energy conference in Beijing on Tuesday, but there were no reports that he had met with President Xi.

Trump administration becoming internationally irrelevant. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Trump administration becoming internationally irrelevant. :lol

EXACTLY as Pootin wants USA to be.

The more irrelevant, withdrawn, isolationist USA is, the more important Russia can be.

addition (of Russia) by subtraction (of USA)

Trash and entourage for FUCKING whored TRAITORS, compromised by Pootin's $$$.

[TSA]

you, as always, offer NOTHING but bullshit

Have you read it?

[monosylab1k]

Have you read it?

Have you?

[TSA]

Have you?

yes. have you?

[rjv]

the paris accord was essentially a promise and non-binding at that. it was also hijacked by special interests who were able to get the agreement to indicate a goal of a 2 degree difference as opposed to 1.5 and also prevented poorer nations from seeking damages for the costs of climate disasters. there is a reason tillerson publicly defended the accord. it was perfect for him. give the impression to the rest of the world that you are trying to work towards a goal and then turn around and reassure your shareholders that "we expect oil, natural gas, and coal to continue to meet about 80 percent of global demand” (between now and 2014). exxon, and tillerson, could make such a statement because they knew the accord was non-binding. but the fact that they could make such a promise, or that trump would go ahead with the keystone and the dakota pipelines tells you that there was no way the U.S. was going to hold its own in regards to curbing the use of fossil fuels at a rate that would make us virtually fossil free by mid-century.

[monosylab1k]

yes.

:lmao

[Chucho]

It fucks the US. We reduce emissions by 25% in 3 years. China and India? 3-5X our population Get to increase their emissions. We send millions of dollars to other countries to help them go green, including India and China, who can still increase their admissions.

That is why he pulled out. Why shouldn't he?

And Jerry Brown...holy fucking shit. The Fagberts of the world hiding from monsters of "RUSSIA!" and "TRUMP!" would shit their mattresses-on-mom's-basement-floors if they could be objective and see what a Fascist leader is all about. Dude is the biggest disaster in Cali since...Arnold...who ironically chastises Trump about things he did on a grander scale of failure on a much smaller stage. Oi vey, Fascists.

[Chris]

It fucks the US. We reduce emissions by 25% in 3 years. China and India? 3-5X our population Get to increase their emissions. We send millions of dollars to other countries to help them go green, including India and China, who can still increase their admissions.

/thread

[Chucho]

Brown is such a scholar in regards to what is right for the people. I mean, this is the Governor who passes back-to-back $5 billion tax raises and just passed the most unfinished bill in history that will kill off the remainder of the SMB sector and royally fuck healthcare more than thought possible.

Dude is willing to sell the farmland's water, illegally as fuck, to the fine elitist folk in LA. I mean, hey, fuck food for everyone. The rich need plush, green lawns and NO watering restrictions.

Hey, don't we pay a 10% state tax to fund our infrastructure? We do, but we are going to tax you $5.2 billion MORE to actually start repairing them AND we are going to siphon off 30% for Brown's paybacks in pet projects.

He's a piece of shit. But he is just doing what the DemoKKKrats and China have done since Billy Clinton let Chinese businessmen have VIP access to the White House and security secrets for a $1 million donation- he's pocketing Gook money for himself.

Just another Leftist Fascist monster that has seen the largest exodus of people, companies and jobs from California in history and the largest exodus a state has seen in jobs since Detroit died 40 years ago...under Demo control as well. Coincidence. Not at fucking all. Just more and more Ls the Left takes and pushes onto the people.

[spurraider21]

i've disliked jerry brown since he held UC students hostage... said if they dont pass prop 30 to raise sales taxes back in 2012, that they would be forced to cut funding to the UC's and thus raising tuitions. it was a piece of shit move, and UC tuitions went up anyway. not only that but the 2012 prop was billed as temporary, and they extended it in the recent election. i'm not opposed to the concept of the tax hike, i dont like the scumbag approach to it, and that falls on brown

but at least he's not doubling down on trumps idiocy on co2

[boutons_deux]

China and India both have extremely aggressive strategies IN PROGRESS (not planned) to move to renewables, wind and solar.

It's the same bullshit of America and Europe telling South America to protect its forests, after America and Europe basically denuded their own continents.

Same with Europe and USA polluting the planet for a 100+ years with oil- and coal-fired electric plants, and now bitching about India and China for doing the same.

[Chucho]

Back to the topic at hand- to the Fagcists with selective ignorance and abundant partisan bias:

Why can't we work a plan out that works for our country created by our country?

I don't get you Fagscists. You pretend to be anti-globalist but support every globalist movement so long as it's anti-Republican. So is partisanship trumping globalism in your long list of things to (incorrectly) bitch about.

[spurraider21]

the US currently emits twice as much as india despite having 1/4 of their population... but yes lets made india the bad guy here :lol

[Chinook]

:lol Trying to compare European deforestation to American. We still have a shit ton of forests in the country. When taken across its area, the US is actually not very densely populated like the Old World is. Destroying our river systems is a much bigger problem than our trees, though China doesn't give a shit about those either.

[rjv]

China and India both have extremely aggressive strategies IN PROGRESS (not planned) to move to renewables, wind and solar.

It's the same bullshit of America and Europe telling South America to protect its forests, after America and Europe basically denuded their own continents.

Same with Europe and USA polluting the planet for a 100+ years with oil- and coal-fired electric plants, and now bitching about India and China for doing the same. and when india initiated a large scale solar power project in order to provide electricity to over 300,000 people, the U.S. spurned the WTO to sue India for trade agreement violations.

[spurraider21]

and when india initiated a large scale solar power project in order to provide electricity to over 300,000 people, the U.S. spurned the WTO to sue India for trade agreement violations.and what was the dispute about? did the US aim to stop india from completing their solar power project?

[rjv]

and what was the dispute about? did the US aim to stop india from completing their solar power project? this is about the most neutral article i could find that points out both sides of the argument. india has since lost its appeal to the WTO. i will add that it's pretty common knowledge what country runs the WTO.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-35668342

[DarrinS]

the US currently emits twice as much as india despite having 1/4 of their population... but yes lets made india the bad guy here :lol

India's problem is not CO2 -- it's people shitting everywhere.

[spurraider21]

this is about the most neutral article i could find that points out both sides of the argument. india has since lost its appeal to the WTO. i will add that it's pretty common knowledge what country runs the WTO.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-35668342yes so the complaint was that india's solar plan had a local-only provision, meaning they were going to spend more money for the same product. basically trumponomics.

the problem is, if india is going to receive billions in foreign aid, and even get projects from the Green Climate Fund, and they are purposely using that money on more expensive products, then that's not going to fly, nor should it.

if you were on welfare and the government sees you leasing a bmw...

i'm sure that greedy companies also stand to benefit by getting into a foreign market, but if india isn't economically independent, then they have less of a say. that's just the way it is. the US wasn't trying to stop india from going solar, they were trying to stop india from using deliberately more expensive products partially paid for by international funds.

[spurraider21]

India's problem is not CO2 -- it's people shitting everywhere.also all the damn cows that they refuse to eat :lol

but really, the problem with india is their massive population, and quarter of them (basically the population of the US) currently dont have access to power. so they're one of the countries that really needs to ramp up it's energy production to meet it's demand. if they decide to ramp up that way using CO2 based fossil fuels, it won't be pretty and they'll move up on the emitters list (currently #4 if you count all of EU as 1 nation)

[Clipper Nation]

Why do we need a globalist wealth-transfer scheme when switching to nuclear would actually be effective?

[spurraider21]

Why do we need a globalist wealth-transfer scheme when switching to nuclear would actually be effective?i do think nuclear is appealing, but they've been shown to be incredibly vulnerable to all sorts of conditions. look at japan recently. nuclear plants also face issues when it comes to keeping them cool... if there's a bad heat wave, they often times have to be shut down, which is what happened in europe some time ago. store/disposal of waste is also not an easy problem

and then you factor in the costs of countries that want to develop them. you want iran working nuclear power plants? saudi arabia? pakistan? can other nations afford it at all? they need funding for solar, imagine what it would take for nuclear

imo it will ultimately be the direction we go in, but not for some time

[TSA]

:lmao

have you?

[rjv]

yes so the complaint was that india's solar plan had a local-only provision, meaning they were going to spend more money for the same product. basically trumponomics.

the problem is, if india is going to receive billions in foreign aid, and even get projects from the Green Climate Fund, and they are purposely using that money on more expensive products, then that's not going to fly, nor should it.

if you were on welfare and the government sees you leasing a bmw...

i'm sure that greedy companies also stand to benefit by getting into a foreign market, but if india isn't economically independent, then they have less of a say. that's just the way it is. the US wasn't trying to stop india from going solar, they were trying to stop india from using deliberately more expensive products partially paid for by international funds. maybe but it's more complicated. most (over 70%) of the imported solar cells came in from china and there were no duties on these imports which, of course, does not sit well with local manufacturers. so the WTO probably did more to harm India's manufacturing capacity as opposed to its endeavors into solar power. of course, it would be harder to be suspect of the WTO if its handling of the Doha round trade talks weren't so suspect (and seemingly endless).

[TSA]

Gov. Jerry Brown has more international respect than Trump at this point. Maybe we should call him President instead.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/06/07/world/07China/07China-master768.jpg

California Governor Jerry Brown with President of China, Xi Jinping, on Tuesday.



http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article154537739.html

Since when do States have the power to enter into agreements with other Nations?

[boutons_deux]

Since when do States have the power to enter into agreements with other Nations?

uh, "states rights"? :lol

[Mark Celibate]

The Paris climate accord had much more to do with a transfer of wealth/technology than it did reducing emissions. You and Jerry Brown should actually read it.

Yeah it's absolute bullshit and there are so many red flags and Jewish tricks here it's unbelievable. No wonder all these Silicon Valley/Wall Street guys think it's so great because it basically forces subsidies by taxpayers for a bunch of technology that wouldn't otherwise be profitable.

Also, how does this get enforced? The report was very vague and had no mention of repercussions. To me, that just sounds like America and the other wealthy nations would be abiding by the rules (basically economic White Guilt) while our competitors would say 'fuck it' since they have no intention of slowing down their own economies. All the while more of our companies go overseas where they know they won't be regulated.

I've been skeptical of many things Trumps has done so far but this was the most non-Jewish thing he's done thus far :tu

[TSA]

Yeah it's absolute bullshit and there are so many red flags and Jewish tricks here it's unbelievable. No wonder all these Silicon Valley/Wall Street guys think it's so great because it basically forces subsidies by taxpayers for a bunch of technology that wouldn't otherwise be profitable.

Also, how does this get enforced? The report was very vague and had no mention of repercussions. To me, that just sounds like America and the other wealthy nations would be abiding by the rules (basically economic White Guilt) while our competitors would say 'fuck it' since they have no intention of slowing down their own economies. All the while more of our companies go overseas where they know they won't be regulated.

I've been skeptical of many things Trumps has done so far but this was the most non-Jewish thing he's done thus far :tu

German car makers are already manuevering

German carmakers fear losing competitive edge after U.S. Paris exit

Germany's powerful car industry said Europe would need to reassess its environmental standards to remain competitive after the United States said it would withdraw from the Paris climate pact.

President Donald Trump said on Thursday he would withdraw the United States from the landmark 2015 global agreement to fight climate change, drawing anger and condemnation from world leaders and heads of industry.

"The regrettable announcement by the USA makes it inevitable that Europe must facilitate a cost efficient and economically feasible climate policy to remain internationally competitive," Matthias Wissmann, president of the German auto industry lobby group VDA, said in a statement on Friday.

"The preservation of our competitive position is the precondition for successful climate protection. This correlation is often underestimated," Wissmann said, adding that the decision by the Unites States was disappointing.

The VDA said electricity and energy prices are already higher in Germany than in the United States, putting Germany at a disadvantage.

The VDA represents carmakers including BMW (BMWG.DE), Volkswagen (VOWG_p.DE), and Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler (DAIGn.DE).

The VDA's warning comes as German Chancellor Angela Merkel, one of the strongest advocates of the global pact to curb emissions of gases that speed climate change, said there was no turning back from the 2015 Paris climate agreement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-german-carmakers-idUSKBN18T1Q0

[spurraider21]

damn, all those 3rd world countries hustled and outsmarted the world powers :wow

[rjv]

Since when do States have the power to enter into agreements with other Nations? there are hundreds of agreements between states and foreign governmental entitites (including Australia, China, Israel, Moldova, Taiwan, the Netherlands, Canada, the United Kingdom and Mexico) and they cover an array of topics such as agriculture, education, energy, trade, tourism, water issues and even climate change.

[monosylab1k]

have you?

I've read as much of it as you have.

[Pavlov]

damn, all those 3rd world countries hustled and outsmarted the world powers :wowYes, trick them all into non-binding pact no one has to follow.

гениальность!

[spurraider21]

Yes, trick them all into non-binding pact no one has to follow.

гениальность!
those draconian, voluntary goals

[TSA]

there are hundreds of agreements between states and foreign governmental entitites (including Australia, China, Israel, Moldova, Taiwan, the Netherlands, Canada, the United Kingdom and Mexico) and they cover an array of topics such as agriculture, education, energy, trade, tourism, water issues and even climate change.

Just re-read the article and saw they were non-binding agreements between CA and China. I was originally thinking they were more like a treaty

[TSA]

I've read as much of it as you have.

Great :tu

Did it seem more foucused on transfer of wealth/technology or a plan to reduce emissions?

[AaronY]

Why do we need a globalist wealth-transfer scheme when switching to nuclear would actually be effective?
Actually agree with this 1000% tbh and irrational fear of nuclear power by Greenpeace type liberals with a superstitious fear of it since it's not natural or whatever is one thing I detest about liberalism. Nuclear power is a tremendous energy solution when you look at the actual facts

[DMC]

:lol nuclear discussion by folks who know nothing about nuclear power is :lol

[AaronY]

:lol nuclear discussion by folks who know nothing about nuclear power is :lol
Well enlighten us then. Everything I've read indicates that despite the isolated failures at plants it's still very good overall even when taking those into account and would be beneficial in terms of Global Warming especially compared to other options

[spurraider21]

:lol nuclear discussion by folks who know nothing about nuclear power is :lol
stop being so passive aggressive... what's your stance?

am i doing it right?

[Thread]

Trump is all for state's rights. Let the voters in those states hold those officials accountable.

[spurraider21]

Trump is all for state's rights. Let the voters in those states hold those officials accountable.lets see how he responds to sanctuary states

tee hee

[DMC]

Well enlighten us then. Everything I've read indicates that despite the isolated failures at plants it's still very good overall even when taking those into account and would be beneficial in terms of Global Warming especially compared to other options

The entire project has at least as large a carbon footprint as nuclear. It's like the Tesla and other hybrid or electric cars; sure they make the owner feel like they are helping the planet and saving money, but in reality they are spending more and the processes for creating that vehicle are at least as contaminated if not more so than those for creating gas powered vehicles. But I get the sentiment, it's just we aren't children so feeling better about ourselves shouldn't be the goal but it's a very marketable emotion and folks fall for it.

Would you want to live near a nuclear power plant?

[DMC]

stop being so passive aggressive... what's your stance?

am i doing it right?

Except you're doing it in a passive aggressive way. When I tell you that you're being PA, I am being genuine. When you do it, you're using "tu quoque" fallacy but being PA in the process.

[DMC]

lets see how he responds to sanctuary states

tee hee

He didn't say they cannot do it, but that they won't receive federal funding.


tee, hee

[spurraider21]

Except you're doing it in a passive aggressive way. When I tell you that you're being PA, I am being genuine. When you do it, you're using "tu quoque" fallacy but being PA in the process.
so what you're saying is that when i call you PA, i am being PA... but when you call me PA, you are not being PA

:tu

[spurraider21]

He didn't say they cannot do it, but that they won't receive federal funding.


tee, hee
and the courts didn't let him block the funding

tee hee

[AaronY]

The entire project has at least as large a carbon footprint as nuclear. It's like the Tesla and other hybrid or electric cars; sure they make the owner feel like they are helping the planet and saving money, but in reality they are spending more and the processes for creating that vehicle are at least as contaminated if not more so than those for creating gas powered vehicles. But I get the sentiment, it's just we aren't children so feeling better about ourselves shouldn't be the goal but it's a very marketable emotion and folks fall for it.

Would you want to live near a nuclear power plant?
I would not care at all knowing how rare the accidents are. Read the opposite of what you're saying about it: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-nuclear-power-can-stop-global-warming/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/opinion/to-slow-global-warming-we-need-nuclear-power.html

Most of the stuff written against it is from shrieking liberal pussyhat/Greenpeace type morons from what I've seen so surprised you're against it.

[spurraider21]

I would not care at all knowing how rare the accidents are. Read the opposite of what you're saying about it: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-nuclear-power-can-stop-global-warming/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/opinion/to-slow-global-warming-we-need-nuclear-power.html

Most of the stuff written against it is from shrieking liberal pussyhat/Greenpeace type morons from what I've seen so surprised you're against it.the main issue is cost, which the ScientificAmerican piece you posted talks about...

so what i dont get is when CN says "why dont we just use nuclear instead of a distribution of wealth scheme" when in reality, we'd need to redistribute a shitload of money to get poorer countries on a nuclear path, and that's provided that we are confident we've come to a point where we wont have to power down the reactors in the face of a heat wave or other circumstances. disposal and storage of waste also doesn't have any great long term solutions yet. it's not a perfected craft by any stretch.

again, like i said, i do see nuclear as the path we end up on, but it's not something we can willy nilly just do, and the only thing holding us back so far is greenpeace fear-mongering.

or we can just do what they did in futurama and cancel global warming with nuclear winter by just blowing up a bunch of bombs

[AaronY]

I assume he was talking about nuclear here in the US tbh

[spurraider21]

I assume he was talking about nuclear here in the US tbhwhen he talked about "globalist wealth redistribution" i figured he was talking about the international effort

[DMC]

so what you're saying is that when i call you PA, i am being PA... but when you call me PA, you are not being PA

:tu

Yes. You did it again.

[hater]

Lol Rick Perry in China. There should be a reality show on his travels :lmao

[pgardn]

The entire project has at least as large a carbon footprint as nuclear. It's like the Tesla and other hybrid or electric cars; sure they make the owner feel like they are helping the planet and saving money, but in reality they are spending more and the processes for creating that vehicle are at least as contaminated if not more so than those for creating gas powered vehicles. But I get the sentiment, it's just we aren't children so feeling better about ourselves shouldn't be the goal but it's a very marketable emotion and folks fall for it.

Would you want to live near a nuclear power plant?

So you are saying the process for creating... What about AFTER that. And the big problem with these cars will be recycling batteries as I understand it. As far as putting shit in the air, no. Did changing to unleaded gasoline in the US have any discernible desirable effects? It's not like we automatically poop on these ideas.

Who wants to live by a sewage treatment plant, but by-God they are all over?

[DMC]

and the courts didn't let him block the funding

tee hee

That's irrelevant. The point was that it's still a state decision.

[DMC]

So you are saying the process for creating... What about AFTER that. And the big problem with these cars will be recycling batteries as I understand it. As far as putting shit in the air, no. Did changing to unleaded gasoline in the US have any discernible desirable effects?

Who wants to live by a sewage treatment plant, but by-God they are all over?

We create sewage regardless. We don't create nuclear radiation regardless.

What about after it? How do you build the batteries, where do you recycle them? Are those locations and processes environmentally friendly?

You're just moving the problem to another, less visible site.

[Mark Celibate]

Most of the stuff written against it is from shrieking liberal pussyhat/Greenpeace type morons from what I've seen so surprised you're against it.

Not every issue is either black or white...or exclusively Right or Left in this case

[pgardn]

We create sewage regardless. We don't create nuclear radiation regardless.

What about after it? How do you build the batteries, where do you recycle them? Are those locations and processes environmentally friendly?

You're just moving the problem to another, less visible site.

But is the problem you have created more desirable? Unleaded gasoline has worked as far as Pb pollution so yes these things can work. If you want shit out of the air this could work. You still have to power them via plants unless you can use solar charging stations which is being planned.

If then goal is getting shit out of the air it's a plus.

Nuclear could be very useful in certain situations. Saying who wants to live by them is not really relevant. People live by lots of nasty shit, it still gets built. Whoever lives down river or down prevailing wind in any city knows this.

Personall I like the wind turbines down in the gulf planes in Texas. Great idea. Something to look at.

[DMC]

But is the problem you have created more desirable? Unleaded gasoline has worked as far as Pb pollution so yes these things can work. If you want shit out of the air this could work. You still have to power them via plants unless you can use solar charging stations which is being planned.

If then goal is getting shit out of the air it's a plus.

Nuclear could be very useful in certain situations. Saying who wants to live by them is not really relevant. People live by lots of nasty shit, it still gets built. Whoever lives down river or down prevailing wind in any city knows this.

Personall I like the wind turbines down in the gulf planes in Texas. Great idea. Something to look at.

i'm ok with things that don't cost billions to try and the worst that can happen is a lot of noise and a few dead birds. Nuclear power works great, but the ramifications of an accident are far and above anything from other sources. Acute issues vs chronic. I almost always prefer the chronic ones.

It's not about where you want to live. It's about trust. Do you trust the plant? I know if I live near a sewage treatment facility that I don't have to be concerned with the half life of shit.

[leemajors]

But is the problem you have created more desirable? Unleaded gasoline has worked as far as Pb pollution so yes these things can work. If you want shit out of the air this could work. You still have to power them via plants unless you can use solar charging stations which is being planned.

If then goal is getting shit out of the air it's a plus.

Nuclear could be very useful in certain situations. Saying who wants to live by them is not really relevant. People live by lots of nasty shit, it still gets built. Whoever lives down river or down prevailing wind in any city knows this.

Personall I like the wind turbines down in the gulf planes in Texas. Great idea. Something to look at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site

They tried to store waste in boxes and tanks lined with aluminum foil. I believe they also had a "bottomless pit" they dumped waste into. Needless to say there are underground radioactive plumes moving towards or already leaking into the Columbia River.

[AaronY]

Not every issue is either black or white...or exclusively Right or Left in this case
What he is saying doesn't jibe with any of the facts I've read tho and the "would I live next door" stuff sounded like hippy stuff since there are like 100 nuclear plants operating around the country without any incident

[spurraider21]

Not every issue is either black or white...or exclusively Right or Left in this case
For you everything is exclusively jew or gentile tbh

[Mark Celibate]

For you everything is exclusively jew or gentile tbh


still searching far and wide for a solid climate change Jew pic tbh

[pgardn]

i'm ok with things that don't cost billions to try and the worst that can happen is a lot of noise and a few dead birds. Nuclear power works great, but the ramifications of an accident are far and above anything from other sources. Acute issues vs chronic. I almost always prefer the chronic ones.

It's not about where you want to live. It's about trust. Do you trust the plant? I know if I live near a sewage treatment facility that I don't have to be concerned with the half life of shit.

Any new technology will cost more before its mass produced. We stick with hydrocarbons because the infrastructure is firmly in place. We have known from the 1800s it causes massive problems. Go to Bejiing. The question is do you invest for the future. All these energy technologies have there place IMO. Solar and wind are infinitely cleaner for air and water which are very direct paths into biological systems.

Nuclear could be considered acute and chronic problems.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site

They tried to store waste in boxes and tanks lined with aluminum foil. I believe they also had a "bottomless pit" they dumped waste into. Needless to say there are underground radioactive plumes moving towards or already leaking into the Columbia River.

There are natural sources of radioactivity that are dangerous as well. Nuclear is a transition energy technology IMO but still worthy in certain situations. And we definitely need to think about the Navy and its Subs as well. Research facilities on college campuses... Hospitals... and on...

Its also a concentration issue. You have radioactive elements in your body. Nuclear is definitely a very high concentration problem. But one could theoretically take stuff from a hospital and poison large parts of cities.

The South Texas Nuclear plant supplies us energy. Remove it, your bill goes up. We then go to hydrocarbons. They will be the cheapest now. It's not an easy problem.

[CosmicCowboy]

Old Jerry wants to run for Prez in 2020

:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

The entire project has at least as large a carbon footprint as nuclear. It's like the Tesla and other hybrid or electric cars; sure they make the owner feel like they are helping the planet and saving money, but in reality they are spending more and the processes for creating that vehicle are at least as contaminated if not more so than those for creating gas powered vehicles. But I get the sentiment, it's just we aren't children so feeling better about ourselves shouldn't be the goal but it's a very marketable emotion and folks fall for it.


Would you want to live near a nuclear power plant?

Electric cars being "green" is a fucking joke. A power plant burns carbon based fuel to produce electricity at less than 40% efficiency so they can plug their "green" car in.

[clambake]

but i can't see a power plant from here.


thats for affordable housing.

[CosmicCowboy]

but i can't see a power plant from here.


thats for affordable housing.

:lol

[DMC]

What he is saying doesn't jibe with any of the facts I've read tho and the "would I live next door" stuff sounded like hippy stuff since there are like 100 nuclear plants operating around the country without any incident

You didn't answer the question though. Nuclear plants, like most plants, lack transparency in how they operate, what problems they do find, what they do about it. Instead, you're expected to just get on with your life and trust this company/agency has your best interests in mind. Whether the fear is warranted or not, you're at the mercy of a profit driven corporation and a federal agency that subcontracts to the lowest bidder.

[pgardn]

Electric cars being "green" is a fucking joke. A power plant burns carbon based fuel to produce electricity at less than 40% efficiency so they can plug their "green" car in.

So what puts more shit in the air. The power plant charging an electric car. Or the gasoline vehicle that puts shit into the air, and the transport of bringing that fuel to the gas station?

[ducks]

Cal should not be part of the USA

[RandomGuy]

Old Jerry wants to run for Prez in 2020

:lmao

Jerry would kick the shit out of any clown that might emerge from the GOP clown car. Don't underestimate the damage Donald "Fraud University" Trump is doing to the GOP brand.

[Chucho]

Jerry would kick the shit out of any clown that might emerge from the GOP clown car. Don't underestimate the damage Donald "Fraud University" Trump is doing to the GOP brand.

No he wouldn't. This dude is HATED here in California and is killing the state. California is a micro-level snapshot of what a Fascist country would look like. I guess, in your mind, considering that Fascist Leftism is being rejected all over the place- from sports, to news outlets, to gift wrapped elections. The Fascist Left is taking major, major Ls here. Businesses are fleeing in droves, as are the people. The real estate bubble is going to burst very,very soon (again, thanks to a shit Demo leader that is concerned about lining his pockets more than the people he is robbing) and a minimum wage job will be fought over, and harder to find, than a concrete connection between Trump and the Russians. Very naive statement.

[Pavlov]

No he wouldn't. This dude is HATED here in California and is killing the state. California is a micro-level snapshot of what a Fascist country would look like. I guess, in your mind, considering that Fascist Leftism is being rejected all over the place- from sports, to news outlets, to gift wrapped elections. The Fascist Left is taking major, major Ls here. Businesses are fleeing in droves, as are the people. The real estate bubble is going to burst very,very soon (again, thanks to a shit Demo leader that is concerned about lining his pockets more than the people he is robbing) and a minimum wage job will be fought over, and harder to find, than a concrete connection between Trump and the Russians. Very naive statement.
The Democratic governor, in his final term, saw virtually no change in his positive job performance rating, which now stands at 59 percent approval and 41 percent disapproval.News is fake, yes?

[Chucho]

News is fake, yes?


Niet.

Account is fake, yes? Account was funny for about 3 posts, yes? But must hurt much to trouble you into multiple accounts, no?

[Pavlov]

Niet.

Account is fake, yes? Account was funny for about 3 posts, yes? But must hurt much to trouble you into multiple accounts, no?
So Brown not as hated as you say.


You fake news.

[Chucho]

State making many, many monies. State still broke. State oversight of $1.9 billion a typical Demo error, send deficit back into Hell, no?

State unemployment higher than national average. No good, yes?

State business sector loss 15k smbs this year thus far. No good, yes?

State cost of fishing license, gas, cost of living and homeless rate all top five in country while education bottom five in the nation. No good, yes?

You live in California? No, yes?

[Chucho]

Polls inaccurate. I have NFIB polls that show otherwise. Maybe 40% hate is not enough hate for you Fascists, no?

[Pavlov]

State making many, many monies. State still broke. State oversight of $1.9 billion a typical Demo error, send deficit back into Hell, no?

State unemployment higher than national average. No good, yes?

State business sector loss 15k smbs this year thus far. No good, yes?

State cost of fishing license, gas, cost of living and homeless rate all top five in country while education bottom five in the nation. No good, yes?

You live in California? No, yes?Such angry change subject.

[Pavlov]

Polls inaccurate. I have NFIB polls that show otherwise. Maybe 40% hate is not enough hate for you Fascists, no?How much enough for you?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

[boutons_deux]

When You’ve Lost Iowa: Wind Loving Heartland State Says Buh-Bye Coal

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/12/youve-lost-iowa-wind-loving-heartland-state-says-buh-bye-coal/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

Coal is dead, and coal is a killer, costing 100Ks of diseased and dead people per year.

[boutons_deux]

U.S. fails to sign G7 statement after Scott Pruitt leaves environmental meeting early

U.S. becomes only a footnote in climate communiqué.

The United States was literally only a footnote in the 15-page communiqué released Monday by G7 environmental ministers.

The meeting of environmental ministers from leading industrialized nations ended Monday with the United States refusing to sign (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/g7-bologna-climate-change-environment-us-disagrees-international-partners-joint-statement-scott-a7785836.html) a joint statement (http://www.minambiente.it/sites/default/files/archivio_immagini/Galletti/G7/communique_g7_environment_-_bologna.pdf) on climate change.

In the statement, the remaining six nations — Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, and the United Kingdom — reiterated their commitment to reducing their carbon dioxide emissions.

https://thinkprogress.org/scott-pruitt-leaves-g7-meeting-early-a20fae064de6

Trash is concerned that the world is laughing at USA? yep, the world thinks Trash's USA is fucking clown

[Thread]

When You’ve Lost Iowa: Wind Loving Heartland State Says Buh-Bye Coal

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/12/youve-lost-iowa-wind-loving-heartland-state-says-buh-bye-coal/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

Coal is dead, and coal is a killer, costing 100Ks of diseased and dead people per year.






They opened up a mine in PA. over the weekend.

Let us proceed...

[SnakeBoy]

When You’ve Lost Iowa: Wind Loving Heartland State Says Buh-Bye Coal

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/12/youve-lost-iowa-wind-loving-heartland-state-says-buh-bye-coal/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

Coal is dead, and coal is a killer, costing 100Ks of diseased and dead people per year.







EU Blasts Trump For Rejecting Climate Accord, Then Increases Coal Exports From USA
http://www.thegwpf.com/eu-blasts-trump-for-rejecting-climate-accord-then-increases-coal-exports-from-usa/


US Coal exports have jumped more than 60 percent this year due to soaring demand from Europe and Asia, according to government data, allowing President Donald Trump’s administration to claim that efforts to revive the battered industry are working.

They included a surge to several European countries during the 2017 period, including a 175 percent increase in shipments to the United Kingdom, and a doubling to France – which had suffered a series of nuclear power plant outages that required it and regional neighbours to rely more heavily on coal.

“If Europe wants to lecture Trump on climate then EU member states need transition plans to phase out polluting coal,” said Laurence Watson, a data scientist working on coal at independent think tank Carbon Tracker Initiative in London.

[SnakeBoy]

Ukraine to start receiving coal from US for first time
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-4746946/Ukraine-start-receiving-coal-US-time.html

[Reck]

NEW YORK—Trump administration officials said Saturday the U.S. wouldn’t pull out of the Paris Agreement, offering to re-engage in the international deal to fight climate change, according to the European Union’s top energy official.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-administration-wont-withdraw-from-paris-climate-deal-1505593922

:lmao

Trump talks a big game but the guy has no game at all. Easily outmaneuvered.

Saw France and China doubled down on the deal and had to backtrack from his position that he would leave it.

Dumb fuck.

[Pavlov]

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-administration-wont-withdraw-from-paris-climate-deal-1505593922

:lmao

Trump talks a big game but the guy has no game at all. Easily outmaneuvered.

Saw France and China doubled down on the deal and had to backtrack from his position that he would leave it.

Dumb fuck.:lol Throw another L on the dumpster fire.

[ducks]

Our position on the Paris agreement has not changed. @POTUS has been clear, US withdrawing unless we get pro-America terms.


— Sarah Sanders (@PressSec) September 16, 2017

[ducks]

"There has been no change in the United States' position on the Paris agreement," the White House said in a statement Saturday following a report in The Wall Street Journal claiming otherwise. "As the president has made abundantly clear, the United States is withdrawing unless we can re-enter on terms that are more favorable to our country."

The Journal reported that a top European Union official said the Trump administration would not re-negotiate the Paris Accord, but White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders echoed the official White House statement on Twitter:

[Pavlov]

Unless its about a tweet, no Trump spokesperson is going to know what's going on.

[Reck]

Unless its about a tweet, no Trump spokesperson is going to know what's going on.

Didn't she do the same thing last time Trump agreed to a deal with Schumer and Pelosi? Came out and said it was false just to be proven wrong.

[Pavlov]

Didn't she do the same thing last time Trump agreed to a deal with Schumer and Pelosi? Came out and said it was false just to be proven wrong.I think they just stick to the lines they're given until they're told to change no matter what. Made Spicer implode but Shuckabee has no shame.

[ducks]

Didn't she do the same thing last time Trump agreed to a deal with Schumer and Pelosi? Came out and said it was false just to be proven wrong.
No deal yet has passsed in dreamers

[ducks]

Not even voted on reck seems not knowing how things work

[Pavlov]

So you're hoping Trump is even more of a flip-flopper.

[ducks]

He is less of a flip flopper then others

Reck said a deal with dreamers was reached nothing is done no vote
I personally think they kick out atleast ones that knew they should started paper work to get legal. Most were Were here before former made the order on dreamers.

[Reck]

Massive comprehension failure to go along with your writing skills.

[Spurtacular]

Why is a sitting governor having closed-door meetings with Communist leaders?

[boutons_deux]

McMaster says no redo on Paris climate deal decision

“That's a false report,”

McMaster said of published reports over the weekend that the administration might not pull out of the deal after all and might seek new terms instead.

“The president decided to pull out of the Paris accord because

it's a bad deal for the American people :lol

and it's a bad deal for the environment,” :lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/09/17/mcmaster-says-no-redo-on-paris-climate-deal-decision-suggests-bannon-tried-to-manipulate-trump/?undefined=&utm_term=.a492fdde6149&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Just how FUCKING bad are non-enforced, voluntary, optional "deals"? :lol