Sheed claims 2003-04 Pistons would 'run through' Warriors and today's NBA

[Chris]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19590920/rasheed-wallace-says-2003-04-detroit-pistons-run-today-nba?sf86908975=1&sf86915467=1


Rasheed Wallace, member of the 2003-04 Detroit Pistons championship squad, is here to add fuel to the burning question -- are the Golden State Warriors the best team in NBA history?

Speaking on the podcast Timeout with Taylor Rocks, the now-retired 16-year NBA veteran was asked whether or not he saw any comparisons between the 2003-04 Pistons and today's NBA.

He had a bold response.

"Oh, we'd run through them. Not even close," Wallace said. "We play defense."

Wallace also elaborated on the comparison between Golden State's defense and the 2003-04 Pistons's defense, which Warriors interim head coach Mike Brown noted last month.

"I think the Warriors' defensive strategy is, I'ma put up more shots than you," Wallace said. "So that's their whole defensive thing. I don't call it good defense if the man came down and he shot a jump shot or shot a three and missed it, and the Warriors went back down to the other end and scored it."

Would the Pistons' defense been able to slow down Kevin Durant and the Warriors' historically great offense?

For reference, the 2003-04 Pistons -- which were led by Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace -- allowed just 84.3 points per game that year. The 2016-17 Warriors allowed 104.3 points per game during the regular season.

They say a great defense always stops a great offense, but the Warriors own the highest offensive efficiency rating (113.5) in a season since the current NBA playoff format began in 1984.

It's the hypothetical question that keeps on giving: Will the Warriors go down as the greatest team of all time?

--Isaac Chipps

Ball don't lie

Today's NBA :lol

[LkrFan]

Dubs would bust their ass. Pisstons had great low post defense, yes. Dubs would kill them from outside and in transition.

Dubs have so many "switchable" players that can defend multiple positions that it would be really hard for Pisstons to score. KD > Sheed. Steph > Chauncey. Klay = Rip. Ben > Zaza. Donkey = Prince. Dubs bench >>>> Pisstons bench.

Dubs in 5.

[lebomb]

Truth Bomb!!! Ive been sayin this shit the last two years. The GSW dont play defense like real basketball. Giving up over 100 on defense isnt defense. Its comical to me that Today NBA STers think defense is being played.

Today NBA!!! :lol

[Mark Celibate]

Dubs would bust their ass. Pisstons had great low post defense, yes. Dubs would kill them from outside and in transition.

Dubs have so many "switchable" players that can defend multiple positions that it would be really hard for Pisstons to score. KD > Sheed. Steph > Chauncey. Klay = Rip. Ben > Zaza. Donkey = Prince. Dubs bench >>>> Pisstons bench.

Dubs in 5.

This. I think this is a terrible matchup for Detroit honestly. Detroit went through a dogshit EC and matched up with the isoball Lakers very well. Golden State is a completely different kind of beast. Ben Wallace would be damn near ineffective against a team like that. Curry would have his way with Billups and Durant with Prince. I don't see Detroit being able to exploit anything against GS's defense either.

I think it would be another sweep

[HarlemHeat37]

They would get obliterated if they played with today's rules(remember, the 2004 Pistons were one of the reasons the NBA changed the rules, as they helped kill basketball and were permitted to use MMA tactics against Kobe in the Finals:lol), that team wasn't very skilled, one of the worst championship teams of all-time..

I don't understand why the media keeps asking these old niggas if their teams would have beaten the Warriors, though..do you actually expect them to say, "nah, they would kill us" :lol

[IronMexican]

How does KT = Rip

Klay is a much better player in every aspect.

[phxspurfan]

Dubs would bust their ass. Pisstons had great low post defense, yes. Dubs would kill them from outside and in transition.

Dubs have so many "switchable" players that can defend multiple positions that it would be really hard for Pisstons to score. KD > Sheed. Steph > Chauncey. Klay = Rip. Ben > Zaza. Donkey = Prince. Dubs bench >>>> Pisstons bench.

Dubs in 5.

Yo u sleepin' on Lindsey Hunter and Corliss Williamson son :downspin:

If the series was played in Detroit in '05, Pistons would have put Curry/Durant on their azz. If played in 2017 rules howeva...

I mean shit, imagine even a 2011 Andrew Bynum clotheslining Curry like he did that Puerto Rican dude

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[Clipper Nation]

Tough call for LakersNorth fans. Do they agree with Sheed in order to make Kobe look better for choking and quitting against those Pistons? Or do they side with their new favorite team? :downspin:

[baseline bum]

LOL not a chance. Dubs in 5.

[LkrFan]

Tough call for LakersNorth fans. Do they agree with Sheed in order to make Kobe look better for choking and quitting against those Pistons? Or do they side with their new favorite team? :downspin:

:lol

[LkrFan]

How does KT = Rip

Klay is a much better player in every aspect.

Rip was an all star. His midrange > Klay. Klay's defense > Rip. Klay defense > Rip. Klay is better from 3. Now that I think further, Klay > Rip. In that case, Dubs sweep.

[ViceCity86]

:lol:lmao

[Venti Quattro]

Golden State in 5.

They'll lose one game because of laughing too much at Sheed

[140]

The Wallaces would run a train on this faggots :lol

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Warriors would defeat them in 4 blowouts.

The Pistons aren't going to hold the Warriors to under 70 or under 80 points like they did to these lesser teams back in the day. The Warriors are unlike any team they have every seen. The Warriors would overwhelm them with their talent because they have so much of it and the Warriors are an underrated defensive team as well (#1 in field goal percentage defense). That Pistons team was a terrible offensive team that would occasionally go on scoring droughts so if that happens against the Warriors (and i have no doubt that it will) the Warriors will bury them.

[Mitch]

Dubs aren't the zero chemistry '04 lakers or lackluster '05 spurs, the Pistons aren't going to get them to slow down. Dubs will get 90-110 easy.

Dubs would Destroy '03 Spurs as well, tbh

[Arcadian]

Dubs aren't the zero chemistry '04 lakers or lackluster '05 spurs, the Pistons aren't going to get them to slow down. Dubs will get 90-110 easy.

Dubs would Destroy '03 Spurs as well, tbh

'05 was arguably the best Spurs team ever, and one of the best teams of that decade. They had prime Duncan and prime Manu, near-prime Parker, 3&D specialist Bowen at his best, and great shooters off the bench.

[ViceCity86]

Does anyone realize how bad the NBA was in 2004? Pistons Pacers ECF :lol

The Nets with washed bad knee Jason Kidd took the Pistons to 7 games.

2004 Pacers won 61 games with this team.

PG- Jamal Tinsley
SG- Reggie Miller 38 years old
SF Ron Artest
PF- Jermaine O'Neal
C- Jeff Foster

Tinsley and Foster are horrible. This team wouldn't make playoffs today.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Dubs would bust their ass. Pisstons had great low post defense, yes. Dubs would kill them from outside and in transition.

Dubs have so many "switchable" players that can defend multiple positions that it would be really hard for Pisstons to score. KD > Sheed. Steph > Chauncey. Klay = Rip. Ben > Zaza. Donkey = Prince. Dubs bench >>>> Pisstons bench.

Dubs in 5.

GS wouldn't have a shot against that Pistons's team. Fully-stacked Lakers with Malone and Payton got destroyed by that team.

Today's defense is weak and soft. Cavs are playing some D tonight and GS is feeling it. They have also allowed almost 50 pts in one quarter.

Yesterday you were saying sweep now you are saying Dubs in 5... lol

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Dubs aren't the zero chemistry '04 lakers or lackluster '05 spurs, the Pistons aren't going to get them to slow down. Dubs will get 90-110 easy.

Dubs would Destroy '03 Spurs as well, tbh

The amount of crap one has to read in this site. What the fuck are you talking about? if there was one team who could be Detroit in 2005 was the Spurs and it was too close to call. Pistons should have had 2 rings in a row but the Spurs were at their peak. Best Spurs' team ever 05.

Spurs played huge D back in 2005 holding you to less than 90 pts a game. Dubs wouldn't have had a chance against that team - they would take away everything from you including the 3

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Does anyone realize how bad the NBA was in 2004? Pistons Pacers ECF :lol

The Nets with washed bad knee Jason Kidd took the Pistons to 7 games.

2004 Pacers won 61 games with this team.

PG- Jamal Tinsley
SG- Reggie Miller 38 years old
SF Ron Artest
PF- Jermaine O'Neal
C- Jeff Foster

Tinsley and Foster are horrible. This team wouldn't make playoffs today.
One count of blasphemy. The NBA was great in 2004, the East was just terrible, makes today's East look like a gauntlet in comparison.

Meanwhile the West was off the charts great at that time. Garnett was a different species from another galaxy that year. LeBron was a raw rookie back then.

[Mitch]

'05 was arguably the best Spurs team ever, and one of the best teams of that decade. They had prime Duncan and prime Manu, near-prime Parker, 3&D specialist Bowen at his best, and great shooters off the bench.

Best spurs team gets a gentlemen's sweep from light skinned 3pt shooter and Durant, tbh

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Dubs would bust their ass. Pisstons had great low post defense, yes. Dubs would kill them from outside and in transition.

Dubs have so many "switchable" players that can defend multiple positions that it would be really hard for Pisstons to score. KD > Sheed. Steph > Chauncey. Klay = Rip. Ben > Zaza. Donkey = Prince. Dubs bench >>>> Pisstons bench.

Dubs in 5.

Nope. Hunter, Williamson, Campbell, Delfino, James, Okur, Ham... hell the #2 overall pick never saw the court because they were so deep that year. I can't begin to name half of the scrubs out of the dumpster from the Dublets' bench :lol

Also, Steph > Chauncey is incorrect. Maybe in the regular season, but Chauncey was one of the most clutch playoff performers ever, and like Curry he was a threat to launch and hit a three at any moment. But he wasn't a perennial finals choker like Curry and he is regarded of one of the best defensive PGs ever to play. Curry is a fucking sieve.

You're just asshurt about '04 and how Kobe shit the bed trying to win his 1st 4th. That's all.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

These lakers fans they are all cut by the same knife - they hate LBJ because he's the best since MJ and now they also hate the 2004 pistons because they've got their assess handed to them and they were actually fully stacked like shit

[ambchang]

Allowing 49 points in a finals quarter :lol
:lol today's NBA ����������

[spurraider21]

why do people glorify the old flagrant fouls as something positive to look back on?

all it means is they would be ejected our fouled out within 15 minutes because they lack the skill and ability to play defense without grabbing and pushing. instead, imagine if today's great defenders had the chance to play in the 90's when you could get away with murder :lol... people think draymond green gets away with a lot now? just imagine him in the 90's

[hitmanyr2k]

Best spurs team gets a gentlemen's sweep from light skinned 3pt shooter and Durant, tbh

No fuckin way :lol THe '05 Spurs could control the tempo with Duncan in the post or run and gun with Ginobili and Parker and also had their own 3 point shooters in Bowen, Barry, Horry and Gino. Prime Parker and Ginobili run a train on this soft ass Warriors defense and who in the fuck is going to stop Duncan? Zaza? :lol Even the '05 Suns would give this Warriors team a run.

[hitmanyr2k]

why do people glorify the old flagrant fouls as something positive to look back on?

all it means is they would be ejected our fouled out within 15 minutes because they lack the skill and ability to play defense without grabbing and pushing. instead, imagine if today's great defenders had the chance to play in the 90's when you could get away with murder :lol... people think draymond green gets away with a lot now? just imagine him in the 90's

Hard fouls had a psychological aspect on the game. Think about the '04 WCF when Parker was having his way against the Lakers and making them look like fools. Game 3 LA said fuck that and laid the wood on Parker all game. He shrunk and was never the same player after that. That's what hard fouls can do to a finesse player.

[Clipper Nation]

Chauncey was one of the most clutch playoff performers ever

:lol Chauncey was 6-37 (16.2%) on game-deciding shots from 2003-2009. He was a very good point guard overall, but that's it.

[Mark Celibate]

No fuckin way :lol THe '05 Spurs could control the tempo with Duncan in the post or run and gun with Ginobili and Parker and also had their own 3 point shooters in Bowen, Barry, Horry and Gino. Prime Parker and Ginobili run a train on this soft ass Warriors defense and who in the fuck is going to stop Duncan? Zaza? :lol Even the '05 Suns would give this Warriors team a run.

tbh even though I think the 03-04 Pistons would get murdered, I think the 05 Spurs would be a toss up with this Golden State team. You get a guy who can control them inside all game and it's a totally different ball game. Too bad there's no team that is capable of that nowadays nor would the Pistons be able to do so either

[Arcadian]

Best spurs team gets a gentlemen's sweep from light skinned 3pt shooter and Durant, tbh

I'd enjoy watching prime Duncan shit all over Gaymond.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

These lakers fans they are all cut by the same knife - they hate LBJ because he's the best since MJ and now they also hate the 2004 pistons because they've got their assess handed to them and they were actually fully stacked like shit

California in general is the shithole of the world. Hope it breaks off due to the San Andreas fault and gets annexed by North Korea.

[Mitch]

I'd enjoy watching prime Duncan shit all over Gaymond.

Duncan would be Zaza'd

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Duncan would be Zaza'd

Duncan would school that mother fucker just with his eyes. He would stare at him and Zaza would shit on his pants. He would bankshot him into oblivion. There's a reason there was never a player who would mess with Duncan in his entire career - the only one who actually tried to do that was Sheed and he got spanked.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

man, the GOAT's face was like shit I gotta get back in there...

[TDMVPDPOY]

the problem with the pistons, can they keep up with the gsw offense?

[Arcadian]

Duncan would school that mother fucker just with his eyes. He would stare at him and Zaza would shit on his pants. He would bankshot him into oblivion. There's a reason there was never a player who would mess with Duncan in his entire career - the only one who actually tried to do that was Sheed and he got spanked.

:lol

[daslicer]

Duncan would school that mother fucker just with his eyes. He would stare at him and Zaza would shit on his pants. He would bankshot him into oblivion. There's a reason there was never a player who would mess with Duncan in his entire career - the only one who actually tried to do that was Sheed and he got spanked.

Don't ever remember Sheed disrespecting Duncan. Sheed had mad respect for Duncan going back to when they played against each other in college.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Don't ever remember Sheed disrespecting Duncan. Sheed had mad respect for Duncan going back to when they played against each other in college.

no one said anything about disrespecting Duncan - read above

[daslicer]

no one said anything about disrespecting Duncan - read above

There's a reason there was never a player who would mess with Duncan in his entire career - the only one who actually tried to do that was Sheed and he got spanked. Then what did you mean when you said that Sheed tried to mess with Duncan? That to me implies disrespect.

[Ice009]

I don't know if I agree with Rasheed on the Pistons beating them, but it's great that he bought up the defense thing.

I've been saying the past two years that they're not a great defensive team because I believe their defensive numbers are based on the other team missing shots by trying to keep up with them. Their offense (especially when they're hitting threes) puts a lot of pressure on the other team, and the other team comes down quite often and takes ill-advised 3 pointers, or other tough shots just trying to keep up with them scoring wise. It's makes the Warriors' defensive numbers look better than their defense actually is IMO. Basically, their offense is their best defense.

[Chris]

GS wouldn't have a shot against that Pistons's team. Fully-stacked Lakers with Malone and Payton got destroyed by that team.

Today's defense is weak and soft. Cavs are playing some D tonight and GS is feeling it. They have also allowed almost 50 pts in one quarter.

Yesterday you were saying sweep now you are saying Dubs in 5... lol


The amount of crap one has to read in this site. What the fuck are you talking about? if there was one team who could be Detroit in 2005 was the Spurs and it was too close to call. Pistons should have had 2 rings in a row but the Spurs were at their peak. Best Spurs' team ever 05.

Spurs played huge D back in 2005 holding you to less than 90 pts a game. Dubs wouldn't have had a chance against that team - they would take away everything from you including the 3


One count of blasphemy. The NBA was great in 2004, the East was just terrible, makes today's East look like a gauntlet in comparison.

Meanwhile the West was off the charts great at that time. Garnett was a different species from another galaxy that year. LeBron was a raw rookie back then.


No fuckin way :lol THe '05 Spurs could control the tempo with Duncan in the post or run and gun with Ginobili and Parker and also had their own 3 point shooters in Bowen, Barry, Horry and Gino. Prime Parker and Ginobili run a train on this soft ass Warriors defense and who in the fuck is going to stop Duncan? Zaza? :lol Even the '05 Suns would give this Warriors team a run.

:tu

[SpurOutofTownFan]

There's a reason there was never a player who would mess with Duncan in his entire career - the only one who actually tried to do that was Sheed and he got spanked. Then what did you mean when you said that Sheed tried to mess with Duncan? That to me implies disrespect.

No, I'm not sure how you can infer disrespect from my comment. It could mean 1000 things. I responded to a comment that said "Duncan would be Zaza'd"; has Zaza disrespected anyone or has he played like a mother fucker instead? I don't think Zaza has disrespected anyone in this or the previous series. He's done other things. He would never be able to do those things to Dunca.

[tbdog]

Timmy was huge that series, and against those Juggernaut defenders in the Wallace's. I got no idea how we got pass that Piston side. 05 TD would wreck the Warriors.

[RD2191]

He's right. The dubs are one of the softest teams in league history. They'd fold like lawn chairs against the pistons.