"But, but, LeBron has so much help! He's on a stacked team!"

[Clipper Nation]

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:lol Haters

[Will Hunting]

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:lol Haters

Jesus Christ.

[Clipper Nation]

Tbh, LeGOAT deserves Finals MVP, win or lose. He's averaging a triple double against the most stacked team in history, and his shit supporting cast is -57.2 without him. He is the best and most valuable player in the series.

[Clipper Nation]

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:cry "But, but, it's Kyrie's team! Kyrie's carrying LeBron!" :cry

[MultiTroll]

Tbh, LeGOAT deserves Finals MVP, win or lose. He's averaging a triple double against the most stacked team in history, and his shit supporting cast is -57.2 without him. He is the best and most valuable player in the series.
To people that understand real basketball, Lebron is easily the Finals MVP.
For the fluffers and casual phan, they buy the deceit and will accept one of the Twinkys being peddled.

[Thebesteva]

You deserve goat dick rider tbh

[LkrFan]

Tbh, LeGOAT deserves Finals MVP, win or lose. He's averaging a triple double against the most stacked team in history, and his shit supporting cast is -57.2 without him. He is the best and most valuable player in the series.

:lol It's his own damn fault. Here is a snippet of their league leading payroll:

LeHype $30M - justified
Love $21M - overpaid
Kyrie $17M - justified
Tristan Kardashian $15M - overpaid
JR Swish $12M - overpaid
Shump $9M - overpaid
Frye $7M - overpaid
Korver $5M - justified
Bogut $383K - played 58 seconds - overpaid

He's good at filling a stat line, but horrible at filling a roster :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

:lol at the payroll argument. If a team's payroll meant anything, the Clippers would be in the Finals right now. Not every team has the luxury of paying a role-player salary to their franchise player because of ankle injuries early on in their career. Pretty soon, the Warriors are going to have to actually pay these guys, and their payroll and luxury tax will dwarf the Cavs'.

Boiled down:::LeGM built a championship team that would have repeated if not for the Kyrie/Love injuries. When Kobe tried to play GM, he ran off Shaq and Phil and missed the playoffs in his prime. The conclusion: the Lakers wouldn't be light so many rings if LeBron was their GM. :downspin:

[LkrFan]

:lol at the payroll argument. If a team's payroll meant anything, the Clippers would be in the Finals right now. Not every team has the luxury of paying a role-player salary to their franchise player because of ankle injuries early on in their career. Pretty soon, the Warriors are going to have to actually pay these guys, and their payroll and luxury tax will dwarf the Cavs'.

Boiled down:::LeGM built a championship team that would have repeated if not for the Kyrie/Love injuries. When Kobe tried to play GM, he ran off Shaq and Phil and missed the playoffs in his prime. The conclusion: the Lakers wouldn't be light so many rings if LeBron was their GM. :downspin:

:lol

[Poolboy5623]

You don't give the MVP to a loser lol ... wtf is wrong with you people?

[Clipper Nation]

:cry "But, but, LeBron has it easy! He faces no competition compared to DK!" :cry

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[LkrFan]

You don't give the MVP to a loser lol ... wtf is wrong with you people?

Tell that to toenail Clipper Nation. LeHype should have won it in 2014 because his stats were better despite getting curbstomped by the Sp*rs in epic fashion! :lol

[whitemamba]

:cry "But, but, LeBron has it easy! He faces no competition compared to DK!" :cry

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Record vs 50-win playoff teams


Jordan 20-7
Hakeem 10-9
Shaq 18-9
Kobe 25-10
Duncan 18-10
Lebron 9-6


Stop it CN. LeBrons cake walking every year to the finals.:downspin:

[Clipper Nation]

That stat is so overrated, tbh. How many 50+ win regular-season pretenders have we seen in the NBA over the years, especially in the West? If LeBron was playing out West this whole time, I have no doubt he could beat teams like the George Karl Nuggets, the current Clippers, the 2008-2012 Spurs, the Grizzlies, the T-Mac/Yao Rockets, the Harden Rockets, etc. without even breaking a sweat. He'd have more series wins over 50+ win teams on his resume without actually facing tougher competition.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

there is no argument - LBJ's teammates suck but they didn't suck yesterday - those numbers should actually be worse, they got padded a little bit yesterday.

[hitmanyr2k]

:cry "But, but, LeBron has it easy! He faces no competition compared to DK!" :cry

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That is the dumbest shit I've ever seen so it figures you would cite it without thinking :lol

You can count Duncan, Ginobili and Parker as HOFers and in their prime in '07 but 6-7 years later in '13 and '14 they were nowhere near their primes. Neither was Dirk in '11. Jason Kidd can be considered a future HOF too but he was in his 16th or 17 season in the 2011 Finals. Also, is Broussard counting Draymond "wide the fuck open all the time" Green and Klay "just found my game after a month of sucking" Thompson as HOFers because that's the only way this math works.

And just to show how listing HOFers doesn't mean jack shit when it comes to team play....the Lakers had 4 HOFs on their '04 squad. Guess what? They got their shit pushed in by a Pistons squad with NO Hall of Famers whatsoever and that same Pistons team took the '05 Spurs to the absolute limit. Jesus H. Christ the softness of the NBA has spread from the game to the commentators to the "analysts" all the way to the dumbass fans. It's just a complete shitfest now.

[Silver&Black]

Damn...CN is celebrating not getting swept like he would be celebrating a championship.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Jesus H. Christ the softness of the NBA has spread from the game to the commentators to the "analysts" all the way to the dumbass fans. It's just a complete shitfest now.

Oh man I loved this shit - I'm LMAO

[whitemamba]

That stat is so overrated, tbh. How many 50+ win regular-season pretenders have we seen in the NBA over the years, especially in the West? If LeBron was playing out West this whole time, I have no doubt he could beat teams like the George Karl Nuggets, the current Clippers, the 2008-2012 Spurs, the Grizzlies, the T-Mac/Yao Rockets, the Harden Rockets, etc. without even breaking a sweat. He'd have more series wins over 50+ win teams on his resume without actually facing tougher competition.

but posting about TSOB HoF's is a legit stat? Hof dont mean shit, lakers got raped in 04 and they were "stacked" with HoF's. So stop searching for reasons to suck LeDoc off and just pray he comes back in this series, because thats really your last life line.

[spurraider21]

they dont call him LeBron's Zipper Nation for nothing

[ambchang]

How did they count 26? How in the world do they know who's going to make the HoF when the players aren't even retired?

[webshad]

Tbh, LeGOAT deserves Finals MVP, win or lose. He's averaging a triple double against the most stacked team in history, and his shit supporting cast is -57.2 without him. He is the best and most valuable player in the series.

You're one smart poster. :king

In all fairness, you're absolutely right.

He is still the best.

The Cavs are stacked, honestly, however they have no coaching whatsoever so they really suck without Lebron.

I also blame Lebron for their weakness in coaching, most coaches are scared of Lebron because they might get fired if he's not happy.

[djohn2oo8]

lol CN used this same argument when LeBron was in Miami.

[Mark Celibate]

That is the dumbest shit I've ever seen so it figures you would cite it without thinking :lol

You can count Duncan, Ginobili and Parker as HOFers and in their prime in '07 but 6-7 years later in '13 and '14 they were nowhere near their primes. Neither was Dirk in '11. Jason Kidd can be considered a future HOF too but he was in his 16th or 17 season in the 2011 Finals. Also, is Broussard counting Draymond "wide the fuck open all the time" Green and Klay "just found my game after a month of sucking" Thompson as HOFers because that's the only way this math works.

And just to show how listing HOFers doesn't mean jack shit when it comes to team play....the Lakers had 4 HOFs on their '04 squad. Guess what? They got their shit pushed in by a Pistons squad with NO Hall of Famers whatsoever and that same Pistons team took the '05 Spurs to the absolute limit. Jesus H. Christ the softness of the NBA has spread from the game to the commentators to the "analysts" all the way to the dumbass fans. It's just a complete shitfest now.

I agree with your post but Dirk was playing his best basketball ever in 2011? There's no way they would've won otherwise.

But yeah this guy is probably counting players like end of the road Kidd (heck, he might've even thrown Peja in there :lol) and likely sophomore Kawhi Leonard. Let's not forget about T-Mac riding the bench for the 2013 Spurs :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

I agree with your post but Dirk was playing his best basketball ever in 2011? There's no way they would've won otherwise.

But yeah this guy is probably counting players like end of the road Kidd (heck, he might've even thrown Peja in there :lol) and likely sophomore Kawhi Leonard. Let's not forget about T-Mac riding the bench for the 2013 Spurs :lmao

:lol

[Splits]

That is the dumbest shit I've ever seen so it figures you would cite it without thinking :lol

You can count Duncan, Ginobili and Parker as HOFers and in their prime in '07 but 6-7 years later in '13 and '14 they were nowhere near their primes. Neither was Dirk in '11. Jason Kidd can be considered a future HOF too but he was in his 16th or 17 season in the 2011 Finals. Also, is Broussard counting Draymond "wide the fuck open all the time" Green and Klay "just found my game after a month of sucking" Thompson as HOFers because that's the only way this math works.

And just to show how listing HOFers doesn't mean jack shit when it comes to team play....the Lakers had 4 HOFs on their '04 squad. Guess what? They got their shit pushed in by a Pistons squad with NO Hall of Famers whatsoever and that same Pistons team took the '05 Spurs to the absolute limit. Jesus H. Christ the softness of the NBA has spread from the game to the commentators to the "analysts" all the way to the dumbass fans. It's just a complete shitfest now.

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[unleashbaynes]

That is the dumbest shit I've ever seen so it figures you would cite it without thinking :lol

You can count Duncan, Ginobili and Parker as HOFers and in their prime in '07 but 6-7 years later in '13 and '14 they were nowhere near their primes. Neither was Dirk in '11. Jason Kidd can be considered a future HOF too but he was in his 16th or 17 season in the 2011 Finals. Also, is Broussard counting Draymond "wide the fuck open all the time" Green and Klay "just found my game after a month of sucking" Thompson as HOFers because that's the only way this math works.

And just to show how listing HOFers doesn't mean jack shit when it comes to team play....the Lakers had 4 HOFs on their '04 squad. Guess what? They got their shit pushed in by a Pistons squad with NO Hall of Famers whatsoever and that same Pistons team took the '05 Spurs to the absolute limit. Jesus H. Christ the softness of the NBA has spread from the game to the commentators to the "analysts" all the way to the dumbass fans. It's just a complete shitfest now.

I stopped reading when you said Dirk wasn't playing like a HoFer in '11. What a fucking stupid thing to say.

[Clipper Nation]

I stopped reading when you said Dirk wasn't playing like a HoFer in '11. What a fucking stupid thing to say.
This is the same moron who said that the Big Three Heat had no franchise players. I'm pretty sure he gets his opinions from Skip Bayless' Twitter feed :lol

[Clipper Nation]

To frame the Finals competition argument in another perspective:

LeGOAT has always had to face the best players of his generation in the Finals. He's faced Dirk once, Westbrook once, Durbeta twice, Duncan and Curry three times.

What's the closest analogue to that with DK? An aging, about-to-retire Magic? Chuck "The Choke Artist" Barkley? :lol DK ducked Hakeem, didn't have to face Duncan in '98 and choked against Shaq in his own conference.

LeGOAT would be salivating if he got to face teams led by the likes of Clyde Drexler and Gary Payton in the Finals. It would be like a vacation compared to who he's been up against.

[whitemamba]

To frame the Finals competition argument in another perspective:

LeGOAT has always had to face the best players of his generation in the Finals. He's faced Dirk once, Westbrook once, Durbeta twice, Duncan and Curry three times.

What's the closest analogue to that with DK? An aging, about-to-retire Magic? Chuck "The Choke Artist" Barkley? :lol DK ducked Hakeem, didn't have to face Duncan in '98 and choked against Shaq in his own conference.

LeGOAT would be salivating if he got to face teams led by the likes of Clyde Drexler and Gary Payton in the Finals. It would be like a vacation compared to who he's been up against.


Lebron would get destroyed in yesterdays NBA tbh, hes not mentally strong enough, I dont think hed be able to handle the trash talk, and honestly im not sure If he would handle the physicality either, I know LeDoc is a big dude, but ive seen him drop one to many times from soft ass plays, so imagine him trying to go to drive to the paint on the bad boys, or the knicks or pacers, he would never come back again. Hed stand outside just trying to pass the ball. Whereas MJ attacked relentlessly. The only real challenge he faced with the players you listed was Duncan, and thats clearly because Jim is a system player in a very good system, and the sperms are better coached. They could of beat GS the first time, but they didnt. MJ stopped clyde, GP, Karl Malone, GP, Shawn Kemp ,Reggie Miller , Patrick Ewing, Barkley... please.

[whitemamba]

I stopped reading when you said Dirk wasn't playing like a HoFer in '11. What a fucking stupid thing to say.

He had his best shooting season that year, but he averaged like 21 or 22 with 7 Reb, not sure if thats a HOF season tbh, but in the playoffs he played like a GOAT , he averaged like 27/28 and showed LeBron what a clutch player really looks like.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

A nigga who is 6'8 and 250 got shut down by DeShawn Stevenson and Shawn Marion in the finals.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Funny that Kobe didn't need Wade and Bosh to beat the Celtics. :lol

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

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:lmao Scared ass

[TD 21]

That is the dumbest shit I've ever seen so it figures you would cite it without thinking :lol

You can count Duncan, Ginobili and Parker as HOFers and in their prime in '07 but 6-7 years later in '13 and '14 they were nowhere near their primes. Neither was Dirk in '11. Jason Kidd can be considered a future HOF too but he was in his 16th or 17 season in the 2011 Finals. Also, is Broussard counting Draymond "wide the fuck open all the time" Green and Klay "just found my game after a month of sucking" Thompson as HOFers because that's the only way this math works.

And just to show how listing HOFers doesn't mean jack shit when it comes to team play....the Lakers had 4 HOFs on their '04 squad. Guess what? They got their shit pushed in by a Pistons squad with NO Hall of Famers whatsoever and that same Pistons team took the '05 Spurs to the absolute limit. Jesus H. Christ the softness of the NBA has spread from the game to the commentators to the "analysts" all the way to the dumbass fans. It's just a complete shitfest now.

Parker was prime in '13 and tail end in '14. Duncan reverted to tail end in '13 and Nowitzki was tail end in '11.

The gist is right though, it should be taken into account where players were at in their careers and whether they were a HOF on merit or circumstance/precedent.

:lmao At Broussard counting players multiple times to pump up James. In reality . . .

- Jordan faced 7 Hall-of-Famers in the Finals: Johnson, Worthy, Drexler, Barkley, Payton, Malone, Stockton.

- James has faced 10 sure fire future Hall-of-Famers and 2 possible ones based on circumstance/precedent (Green, Thompson) in the Finals: Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Kidd, Nowitzki, Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Leonard, Curry.

- James definitely faced stiffer Finals competition. Based on point differential and SRS, Jordan never faced a single team as good as '07, '14 Spurs or '15-'17 Warriors and I'd argue that '13 Spurs were better than '97 Jazz or '96 Supersonics . . . Finals can be overrated though because sometimes real Finals occurs in CSF or CF.

[Mark Celibate]

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:lmao Scared ass

rofl

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Also gotta love Clitoris Nation counting that Thunder finals team as stiff competition as NONE of them had finals experience :lol

[whitemamba]

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:lmao Scared ass
LaBeta

[SAGirl]

You don't give the MVP to a loser lol ... wtf is wrong with you people?
Fanboyism

[Thebesteva]

Dude cn let it go...lebron isn't surpassing MJ to anyone except you. It's kind of like Bigfoot though...you can believe it if you wanna and no one else can prove you're wrong but we all know you're a fucking moron

[DMC]

No one in the NBA ever played an NBA game against a HOFer. It never happened.

You should not be able to call someone a HOFer until they've been inducted. You can say "lock" or "future" but they shorten that and just give the person the honor without the vote.

It's thrown around too much, and that's probably because people like Chris Webber are in it.

[Killakobe81]

leBron had plenty of help in Game 4 .. even Trisha (no auto correct) Thompson came to play ...

[rasuo214]

How did they count 26? How in the world do they know who's going to make the HoF when the players aren't even retired?

They must have used fuzzy math to get to 26 and making some assumptions (Kawhi, KD, Curry etc being HoFers). But they also are counting guys more than once since this would benefit Lebron a lot more than Jordan (only played Malone and Stockton more than once). Like since Lebron faced the Big3 3x that counts as 9 HoFers. If they counted Curry, Draymond and Klay as HoFers that's another 9. KD and Kawhi twice, then Westbrook, Harden, Dirk and Kidd = 26

Realistically

07 = Tony, Timmy, Manu
11 = Dirk and Kidd at the tail end of his career
12 = KD, Westbrook and Harden
13 = Big 3, 2nd year Kawhi
14 = Big 3 and Kawhi
15 = Curry
16 = Curry
17 = Curry and KD

So 11 HOFers.

[ambchang]

They must have used fuzzy math to get to 26 and making some assumptions (Kawhi, KD, Curry etc being HoFers). But they also are counting guys more than once since this would benefit Lebron a lot more than Jordan (only played Malone and Stockton more than once). Like since Lebron faced the Big3 3x that counts as 9 HoFers. If they counted Curry, Draymond and Klay as HoFers that's another 9. KD and Kawhi twice, then Westbrook, Harden, Dirk and Kidd = 26

Realistically

07 = Tony, Timmy, Manu
11 = Dirk and Kidd at the tail end of his career
12 = KD, Westbrook and Harden
13 = Big 3, 2nd year Kawhi
14 = Big 3 and Kawhi
15 = Curry
16 = Curry
17 = Curry and KD

So 11 HOFers.

Even with that logic, there's still only 20, not sure where the other 6 are coming from. Draymond? Klay? Just not seeing it.

Drexler, Magic, Worthy, Barkley, Payton, Malone Stockton were great players, and did they just double Malone and Stockton?

I am actually surprised Divac didn't make the hall yet, he should be in just for his Cousins trade, but also for his international resume and being one of the pioneers of the European movement. He is a legend in Europe.

Kemp was well on his way to the hall before he got bloated. he was at least as good as 07 Tony, 11 Dirk, Kidd, 12 KD, Westbrook and Harden, 13 Big 3 and Kawhi, 14 Big 3, and 15 Curry.
KJ was on his way as well before all the injuries, I would take prime KJ over prime Parker, Manu, and Harden. Perhaps even prime Kidd.
Then there are those players like Dumas, Hornacek, Perkins, Porter, Kersey, Majerle, Schrempt who were solid players (obviously no HoF material, but borderline all-stars during their times).