In case you needed another reason to hate GS

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sure - but that's not the point. The point is if DEMS see that no one votes for their candidate (that they were already told was not the candidate DEM voters wanted) maybe they get the message.

Either way, with your vote or not, Trump is in office. At least the people you are throwing such mighty stones at are by in large ashamed they voted for Trump. You and other DEMS don't seem ashamed at all and you should be.


Idealogues are always the biggest dumbfucks.

Given that voter turnout was shit for the dems and they not only lost the POTUS but also both chambers any message that would be sent should have been.

Meanwhile the Dems changed leadership or policy in what way?

They did elevate Warren to a leadership post but last time I checked Pelosi and Schumer were still up top and they picked an establishment candidate for DNC chair.

If you really want to make systemic change then rather than a protest vote in an election where the denominator is 10s of millions and a 5 figure donation is the minimum amount for a candidate to even pay attention, perhaps try finding out who your DNC delegate and county chair is and start working them.

Unfortunately most people don't know what district they are or who their rep is much less who those people are at the grass roots.

[Blackjack]

Did Golden State vote for Trump? Read the thread title, opened... I had no idea.

[baseline bum]

Ok. Again, explain logically, what will force your party to change from running the Hillary's of the world out when you vote for her still. This loss is not doing it. Both the DEM supporters and people in power STILL seem to miss the boat on why they lost.

Hell, even you admit you are pissed at what they did AND YOU STILL VOTED.

You really are trolling me. I already explained I would have voted against her and for fat bastard if a Trump win would have meant a divided government. I voted for her because your not a real vote candidate would have a friendly congress to implement his shit upon being elected, which he does.

[DPG21920]

That is very true. I agree 100%. Vote local. Put pressure on local government and start there. That still doesn't change, IMO, the overall issues with the DEM party and their voters (and why Trump is in office now).

[DPG21920]

You really are trolling me. I already explained I would have voted against her and for fat bastard if a Trump win would have meant a divided government. I voted for her because your not a real vote candidate would have a friendly congress to implement his shit upon being elected, which he does.

Ok, sorry, I honestly know it's confusing, but I'm not saying "you" as in the "you" sense. I'm talking in general about DEM voters and those literally crying "I'm with her :cry"

[DPG21920]

You really are trolling me. I already explained I would have voted against her and for fat bastard if a Trump win would have meant a divided government. I voted for her because your not a real vote candidate would have a friendly congress to implement his shit upon being elected, which he does.

Also, what's funny about your last sentence is that literally nothing is being done. What is Trump actually implementing :lol? His own party hates him.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not singling anyone out. Hillary is who DEMS ran and she's the face of corruption in politics. Trump is crooked as is much of the REP party. They all are for the most part.

What does that have to do with being part of the problem and continuing to turn out and vote for them? Why would DEMS change what they are doing when they know you will just shut up and vote D no matter what they do or who they run?


Claiming she is the face of corruption is not singling someone out? smh

Part of what problem? Does your dumb ass think that a protest vote makes one lick of a difference to what either party's leadership does? I just explained ot you how the message should have been sent given the outcome and they did not do anything and what do you do? Blithely double down. Dumb shit like that is the problem.

BTW, I voted libertarian. Voting dem in Texas in the general has been a waste of time for 50 years.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Also, what's funny about your last sentence is that literally nothing is being done. What is Trump actually implementing :lol? His own party hates him.

Yeah that is why Cruz, Rubio, and Ryan defend him routinely and they try to further his agenda in lockstep?

[DPG21920]

Claiming she is the face of corruption is not singling someone out? smh

Part of what problem? Does your dumb ass think that a protest vote makes one lick of a difference to what either party's leadership does? I just explained ot you how the message should have been sent given the outcome and they did not do anything and what do you do? Blithely double down. Dumb shit like that is the problem.

BTW, I voted libertarian. Voting dem in Texas in the general has been a waste of time for 50 years.

She's being discussed because that is who DEMS inexplicably ran and rigged things for. That's why Trump won. People pretty much said "we are tried of crooked career politicians" and they trotted out the poster child for that (whether you agree or not).

And yes, a major protest vote does make a difference. Now DEMS have the :cry talking point "we didn't do anything wrong, we won the popular vote!!! See, we are awesome! We got cheated :cry".

[FuzzyLumpkins]

She's being discussed because that is who DEMS inexplicably ran and rigged things for. That's why Trump won. People pretty much said "we are tried of crooked career politicians" and they trotted out the poster child for that (whether you agree or not).


You claim to be talking about democratic voters in general. Well voter turnout was shit and what you claim was the means to a substantive end did not happen. You are just talking out of your ass. Ideology is bad enough but when you disregard empirical facts to the contrary you're just an imbecile.

[DPG21920]

Yeah that is why Cruz, Rubio, and Ryan defend him routinely and they try to further his agenda in lockstep?

Ok, I can also cite much discord within his own party. Is your argument that there is some united front within the REP party surrounding Trump and that he's just going to pass through a bunch of crap?

Because nothing I have seen to date makes that seem true, but maybe I'm wrong.

[DPG21920]

You claim to be talking about democratic voters in general. Well voter turnout was shit and what you claim was the means to a substantive end did not happen. You are just talking out of your ass. Ideology is bad enough but when you disregard empirical facts to the contrary you're just an imbecile.

Nah - they are clinging to the "Russia cheated us, we won the popular vote" as a means to justify what they did.

[RD2191]

Scary bad hombre: Give me your wallet or I'll shoot you.
DPG: Durr those are both bad, I choose neither.

:lmao

[baseline bum]

Um, the many voters that polls showed were not happy with Trump even though they voted for him both pre & post election.

In the latest Gallup poll Trump's job approval rating among republicans is 83% after this disgrace of a presidency. So I don't buy that Trump voters aren't happy with Trump.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

She's being discussed because that is who DEMS inexplicably ran and rigged things for. That's why Trump won. People pretty much said "we are tried of crooked career politicians" and they trotted out the poster child for that (whether you agree or not).

And yes, a major protest vote does make a difference. Now DEMS have the :cry talking point "we didn't do anything wrong, we won the popular vote!!! See, we are awesome! We got cheated :cry".

They lost the POTUS and both chambers and the substantive difference you have to present is a talking point? You really think they are sitting in on strategy meetings and are rationalizing using that talking point?

They respond to big money donations and that is about it. That is true for the entirety of the federal oligarchy nowadays. You just strike me as incredibly naive.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok, I can also cite much discord within his own party. Is your argument that there is some united front within the REP party surrounding Trump and that he's just going to pass through a bunch of crap?

Because nothing I have seen to date makes that seem true, but maybe I'm wrong.

Then you look at polling data as BB pointed out and pull your head out of your ass.

[DPG21920]

They lost the POTUS and both chambers and the substantive difference you have to present is a talking point? You really think they are sitting in on strategy meetings and are rationalizing using that talking point?

They respond to big money donations and that is about it. That is true for the entirety of the federal oligarchy nowadays. You just strike me as incredibly naive.

Maybe so. Don't mistake me pointing out the hypocrisy of people throwing stones at REP as not understanding the way things are. That doesn't mean I have to like it nor does it mean that I have to do things the same way it's always been done.

[DPG21920]

Then you look at polling data as BB pointed out and pull your head out of your ass.

What has Trump passed through with all this support?

[DPG21920]

:lmao

I dont see what's funny? If I was told someone was going to rob me and I still showed up that that place, I could see the analogy being funny.

[dabom]

That's not the way the world works, sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of two evils. Now we're stuck with a psychopath as president because of people who think like you.

:lol

[DPG21920]

It's funny how REP are to blame or people who abstained from voting (myself) but not DEMS for running Hillary.

It's also funny to me, as much as people want to bash "ideology", that people use the crutch of "this is how it is". Imagine if that was always the case. Nothing wrong would ever be fixed. Eventually, things either burn to the ground or the issue gets corrected.

The world is not always, nor should it be, lesser of two evils.

[cd98]

Does your dumb ass really think that Clinton is "far left."

What does that make Sanders? Karl Marx reincarnate?

Clearly im smarter than your dumbass. Hillary went far left because of Bernie. Duh or did you not pay attention to the primaries? And her strategy in the general was run out the clock, not run to the middle.

[GSH]

In the latest Gallup poll Trump's job approval rating among republicans is 83% after this disgrace of a presidency. So I don't buy that Trump voters aren't happy with Trump.

They gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize within weeks of being elected - before he had a chance to do anything. Anything.
They were calling for Trump to be impeached within weeks of being elected - before he had a chance to do anything. Anything.


There are some people involved in this thread that I like. A few that I even respect. And that includes people who totally disagree with me. But damn. People loved Obama before he did anything, and hated Trump before he did anything. Those same people loved Trump before he did anything, and hated Obama before he did anything. It's all smoke and mirrors. Keep people fighting in the front yard, while they sneak around the back and steal the laundry.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe so. Don't mistake me pointing out the hypocrisy of people throwing stones at REP as not understanding the way things are. That doesn't mean I have to like it nor does it mean that I have to do things the same way it's always been done.


What is it with conservatives thinking that pointing out that other people do it too means the stupid shit they do is okay? I'm not sure what hypocrisy you think you have pointed out but it does occur to me that you lack the instinct that not all people look at things like you do. BB spelled out to you several times exactly what his calculus was and you blithely carried on anyway.

I really must say is you have an extremely binary oversimplified way of viewing things and lack a shred of nuance. That combined with your penchant for eating up talking points, slogans, and sound bites denotes a lack of independent thinking for all of your claims about not doing "the same way it's always been done."

[GSH]

What has Trump passed through with all this support?



LOL... yep. People are pissed about things that haven't happened. Because just about nothing has happened.

[DPG21920]

What is it with conservatives thinking that pointing out that other people do it too means the stupid shit they do is okay? I'm not sure what hypocrisy you think you have pointed out but it does occur to me that you lack the instinct that not all people look at things like you do. BB spelled out to you several times exactly what his calculus was and you blithely carried on anyway.

I really must say is you have an extremely binary oversimplified way of viewing things and lack a shred of nuance. That combined with your penchant for eating up talking points, slogans, and sound bites denotes a lack of independent thinking for all of your claims about not doing "the same way it's always been done."

:lol That is actually one of the funnier things you have ever posted tbh.

[dabom]

Trump Bernie voters. :lmao

[DPG21920]

Calling me a conservative :lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Clearly im smarter than your dumbass. Hillary went far left because of Bernie. Duh or did you not pay attention to the primaries? And her strategy in the general was run out the clock, not run to the middle.

She moved a tad on student loans and put out rhetoric about banks with nothing substantive behind it. I don't see how Citizen's United is a left/right issue.

At the end of the day though if you took any of that at face value, you are a moron. When you look at her voting record in the senate and her husbands administration to say that she is "far left" is plain ignorant.

[GSH]

What is it with conservatives thinking that pointing out that other people do it too means the stupid shit they do is okay? I'm not sure what hypocrisy you think you have pointed out but it does occur to me that you lack the instinct that not all people look at things like you do. BB spelled out to you several times exactly what his calculus was and you blithely carried on anyway.

I really must say is you have an extremely binary oversimplified way of viewing things and lack a shred of nuance. That combined with your penchant for eating up talking points, slogans, and sound bites denotes a lack of independent thinking for all of your claims about not doing "the same way it's always been done."


Yeah, he insists on labeling people, and putting them in one of two camps. And he insults the intelligence of people who have a differing opinion. He's not woke like you. :lol

[DPG21920]

The only hypocrisy I pointed out is that the only reason an idiot like Trump won is because the DEMS were either stupid, croooked or likely both and trotted out Hillary as their candidate.

They hypocrisy is Trump is in office because of their own parties short-comings and it's funny to me that people cast stones when it was their own parties' doing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Calling me a conservative :lmao


If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.

[baseline bum]

They gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize within weeks of being elected - before he had a chance to do anything. Anything.
They were calling for Trump to be impeached within weeks of being elected - before he had a chance to do anything. Anything.


There are some people involved in this thread that I like. A few that I even respect. And that includes people who totally disagree with me. But damn. People loved Obama before he did anything, and hated Trump before he did anything. Those same people loved Trump before he did anything, and hated Obama before he did anything. It's all smoke and mirrors. Keep people fighting in the front yard, while they sneak around the back and steal the laundry.

The Nobel was retarded, by far the worst peace prize given since Arafat (that one still stands on its own and no one else is close).

[DPG21920]

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.

That literally makes no sense at all. I was with Bernie. Why do you think I was so pissed at what happened to him? Man, you lack any basic understanding of other's points of views and are so quick to label since you are binary in your way of thinking.

[Leetonidas]

They gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize within weeks of being elected - before he had a chance to do anything. Anything.
They were calling for Trump to be impeached within weeks of being elected - before he had a chance to do anything. Anything.


There are some people involved in this thread that I like. A few that I even respect. And that includes people who totally disagree with me. But damn. People loved Obama before he did anything, and hated Trump before he did anything. Those same people loved Trump before he did anything, and hated Obama before he did anything. It's all smoke and mirrors. Keep people fighting in the front yard, while they sneak around the back and steal the laundry.

The same can be said in reverse and if you don't believe that you haven't been paying attention tbh. Plenty of people shat on Obama before he did anything. Plenty of people are fellating Trump when he hasnt done anything. Same shit different sides tbh. Though the Nobel prize was dumb, I agree on that.

[DPG21920]

The same can be said in reverse and if you don't believe that you haven't been paying attention tbh. Plenty of people shat on Obama before he did anything. Plenty of people are fellating Trump when he hasnt done anything. Same shit different sides tbh

Umm, did you read what he said? He literally said that in the post you quoted :lol

[baseline bum]

That literally makes no sense at all. I was with Bernie. Why do you think I was so pissed at what happened to him? Man, you lack any basic understanding of other's points of views and are so quick to label party since you are binary in your way of thinking.

So are you pissed Bernie saw it my way, that it was better to endorse Clinton and hope she beat Trump than to have Trump president with a friendly congress?

[dabom]

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.

He's a Bernie fan. Self hating faggot. :lol

[Leetonidas]

Umm, did you read what he said? He literally said that in the post you quoted :lol

Damn. You're right. :lol sorry GSH I'm kinda drunk (visiting the in laws tbh).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, he insists on labeling people, and putting them in one of two camps. And he insults the intelligence of people who have a differing opinion. He's not woke like you. :lol


I don't put people into two camps. But to ignore the political duality that most align with is pretty obtuse.

I also didn't say that he was stupid because of a differing opinion.

I said he was stupid because BB told him multiple times that he did not follow the paradigm he laid out and he went on with it anyway and because used a talking point and turned into the Democratic strategy moving forward. Differing opinions are fine. Ignoring contrary evidence and eating propaganda at face value is stupid.

Taking campaign rhetoric at face value and acting like that is valid is incredibly ignorant. 30 years of history to the contrary and still it's done.

[GSH]

The same can be said in reverse and if you don't believe that you haven't been paying attention tbh. Plenty of people shat on Obama before he did anything. Plenty of people are fellating Trump when he hasnt done anything. Same shit different sides tbh. Though the Nobel prize was dumb, I agree on that.


Twilight Zone. Just fucking Twilight Zone.




Umm, did you read what he said? He literally said that in the post you quoted :lol
:lol It doesn't happen often, but I'm speechless. I always love it when people argue with me, and basically say the same thing I just said. But that one would get him kicked out of school for plagiarism. SMDH

[DPG21920]

And I fully understood BB reasoning for voting Hillary. I told him the other day I was not taking him to task for his vote or asking him to justify it.

And although I can see how it was confusing since it was BB I was engaging with I was speaking more globally. I just violently disagree, especially lately since frankly I'm really sick and tired of all of this bs and ashamed about our politics as I have entered into adulthood that it's happening under our watch.

I just no longer can stomach the lesser of two evils argument even though I understand why people vote that way. I've voted that way. I've made the arguments that way.

I just no longer have the stomach to do so and hopefulllly Trump burns the REP party down and DEMS have a rude awakening (since Fuzzy seems to think they are legit shook and not taking the talking about points they spout about how they didn't do anything wrong seriously)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That literally makes no sense at all. I was with Bernie. Why do you think I was so pissed at what happened to him? Man, you lack any basic understanding of other's points of views and are so quick to label since you are binary in your way of thinking.


Then I stand corrected but using others hypocrisy to excuse yourself is still contemptible.

[DPG21920]

So are you pissed Bernie saw it my way, that it was better to endorse Clinton and hope she beat Trump than to have Trump president with a friendly congress?

Yes. Very much so. Not that it matters, but when that happened I ripped into Bernie and said that now I'm glad I know he's spineless before I got to vote him into office :lol

[Leetonidas]

Twilight Zone. Just fucking Twilight Zone.




:lol It doesn't happen often, but I'm speechless. I always love it when people argue with me, and basically say the same thing I just said. But that one would get him kicked out of school for plagiarism. SMDH

My bad :lol I should probably finish reading the post next time. It happens

[DPG21920]

Twilight Zone. Just fucking Twilight Zone.




:lol It doesn't happen often, but I'm speechless. I always love it when people argue with me, and basically say the same thing I just said. But that one would get him kicked out of school for plagiarism. SMDH

Think it was just an honest mistake. Pretty sure 4 out of 5 of us in this conversation (not fuzzy because he's the human equivalent of a plain cracker and the least fun person ever) are having a beer.

[GSH]

Damn. You're right. :lol sorry GSH I'm kinda drunk (visiting the in laws tbh).


LOL. No prob. I'm actually feeling better about the world in general after reading this thread tonight. Some people actually starting to make sense. I'm sure the Crown Royal helps, but still. :tu



Think it was just an honest mistake. Pretty sure 4 out of 5 of us in this conversation (not fuzzy because he's the human equivalent of a plain cracker and the least fun person ever) are having a beer.

It was. I jumped too soon. We're all suffering from some redass, I guess.

[DPG21920]

Then I stand corrected but using others hypocrisy to excuse yourself is still contemptible.

That's my point. That is the hypocrisy of DEMS trotting out Hillary and then being angry about Trump. Their own freaking party is crooked and they are mad at crooked REP???

But I digress. We are in the mess now. Hopefully, like things currently are, Trump gets nothing done.

[baseline bum]

Yes. Very much so. Not that it matters, but when that happened I ripped into Bernie and said that now I'm glad I know he's spineless before I got to vote him into office :lol

:lol Ok. I'd still vote for him.

[Leetonidas]

In my defense I don't drink often....and I'm desperately trying to keep myself entertained (I'm in Iowa for fucks sake :lol)

[poop]

The entire US will soon go blue, old white fucks that are yearning for the good old days will soon die off.

You mean the people who created, designed, fought for, and developed the most powerful and prosperous country ever? The people who created western civilization? Yea, it will be so much better when those people are gone :rolleyes

The nation you so look forward to will basically be a clone of modern day brazil. Not exactly a 'better place'. You anti-white promoters are stupid as fuck...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And I fully understood BB reasoning for voting Hillary. I told him the other day I was not taking him to task for his vote or asking him to justify it.

And although I can see how it was confusing since it was BB I was engaging with I was speaking more globally. I just violently disagree, especially lately since frankly I'm really sick and tired of all of this bs and ashamed about our politics as I have entered into adulthood that it's happening under our watch.

I just no longer can stomach the lesser of two evils argument even though I understand why people vote that way. I've voted that way. I've made the arguments that way.

I just no longer have the stomach to do so and hopefulllly Trump burns the REP party down and DEMS have a rude awakening (since Fuzzy seems to think they are legit shook and not taking the talking about points they spout about how they didn't do anything wrong seriously)

I said that they did nothing to change leadership and pointed out it was an oligarchy and you think that I meant they were shook?

I was pointing out how your wishcasting did not come to pas as voter turnout was shit and they lost across the board. They don't give a fuck.

I really like you doubling down on a media narrative. Meanwhile exactly who in Dem leadership pointed out how the popular vote meant that "nothing was wrong?"

[baseline bum]

In my defense I don't drink often....and I'm desperately trying to keep myself entertained (I'm in Iowa for fucks sake :lol)

2017 is a good year to start drinking often tbh

[Leetonidas]

2017 is a good year to start drinking often tbh

Only drinking cus I cant find any weed out here and you can buy liquor in gas stations here :lol

[DPG21920]

I said that they did nothing to change leadership and pointed out it was an oligarchy and you think that I meant they were shook?

I was pointing out how your wishcasting did not come to pas as voter turnout was shit and they lost across the board. They don't give a fuck.

I really like you doubling down on a media narrative. Meanwhile exactly who in Dem leadership pointed out how the popular vote meant that "nothing was wrong?"

I'm saying I disagree with your assertion that DEMS recognize that Hillary was a mistake. That what they did to Bernie and his supporters was a mistake. I hold no misgivings about them actually changing which in part is why I'm pissed that Trump being horrendous will lead to nothing good.

And while voter turnout was poor, it was not on the scale that I was hoping for (and YES, I understand it will likely never happen).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You mean the people who created, designed, fought for, and developed the most powerful and prosperous country ever? The people who created western civilization? Yea, it will be so much better when those people are gone :rolleyes

The nation you so look forward to will basically be a clone of modern day brazil. Not exactly a 'better place'. You anti-white promoters are stupid as fuck...


The country was built to greatness by the people that grew up in the depression and won WW2. They are all but dead now.

The generation currently dying off are the boomers. The baby boomers ran up a shit ton of debt voting themselves free rides and embracing the concept that greed was good ever since they entered their majority in the mid 70s. Boomers pretty famously rejected their forebearers with slogans like "don't trust anyone over 40" and "turn on, tune in, drop out" and then proceeded in dismantled the regulatory regime the country was built on in the 1980s thru today.

:lol "fought for" for the generation that justified draft dodging and lost Vietnam. Boomers didn't create shit; they just milked their legacy for all it was worth.

[cd98]

She moved a tad on student loans and put out rhetoric about banks with nothing substantive behind it. I don't see how Citizen's United is a left/right issue.

At the end of the day though if you took any of that at face value, you are a moron. When you look at her voting record in the senate and her husbands administration to say that she is "far left" is plain ignorant.

She probably didn't strike you as far left because you are far left. She ran on an immigration plan that basically eliminated any distinction between Mexican and American citizens. I get being against the wall, but she was open borders, which is far left. On abortion, she favored no restrictions and supported partial birth abortions, which is far left of mainstream. And then she ran on identity politics (vote for me bc I'm a woman) and identity politics is a creation of the far left. Yes, her husband was a moderate dem, but she was not. And she was the one that wanted government run health care back in the 90s, which is also a far left pet project. Im not sure why you don't know her platform. Maybe because you don't live in Arizona, where she was campaigning instead of the rust belt.

[dabom]

Bernie faggots.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm saying I disagree with your assertion that DEMS recognize that Hillary was a mistake. That what they did to Bernie and his supporters was a mistake. I hold no misgivings about them actually changing which in part is why I'm pissed that Trump being horrendous will lead to nothing good.

And while voter turnout was poor, it was not on the scale that I was hoping for (and YES, I understand it will likely never happen).

I know that they have criticized the Clinton campaign for their strategy that ignored rural voters and battleground states. This notion that they would ever admit that their candidate was a mistake seems pretty naive to me. They did can Wasserman. I'm not making claims as to what "they think" on that issue either.

Voter turnout regressed sharply last cycle and they lost across the board. If you think that a marginal further decrease in turnout would have changed things, that is pretty deluded. It's not like it's an all or nothing binary switch either. They changed little to nothing in terms of leadership despite a worst case result.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

She probably didn't strike you as far left because you are far left. She ran on an immigration plan that basically eliminated any distinction between Mexican and American citizens. I get being against the wall, but she was open borders, which is far left. On abortion, she favored no restrictions and supported partial birth abortions, which is far left of mainstream. And then she ran on identity politics (vote for me bc I'm a woman) and identity politics is a creation of the far left. Yes, her husband was a moderate dem, but she was not. And she was the one that wanted government run health care back in the 90s, which is also a far left pet project. Im not sure why you don't know her platform. Maybe because you don't live in Arizona, where she was campaigning instead of the rust belt.

Yes I get the white christian nationalist top issues are your defining issues but she also is big on deregulation, defense spending and is a war hawk. That is in her voting record.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/

Please point to me which part is "open borders."

I never said that she was right wing but she has position on both sides that make her moderate left of center overall.

[GSH]

In my defense I don't drink often....and I'm desperately trying to keep myself entertained (I'm in Iowa for fucks sake :lol)


Iowa? I hate fucking Iowa! :lol


I'ma quit reading this thread while I'm feeling good. Most of the people in this thread now, I honestly think I'd enjoy sitting down and having a drink with. I'm pretty sure I'd like them all better than the candidates on both sides. And it's reached a point where I understand arguments on both sides. I'll argue with you guys later about basketball, but not about this shit. :D



Bernie faggots.

Not you, though.

[cd98]

Yes I get the white christian nationalist top issues are your defining issues but she also is big on deregulation, defense spending and is a war hawk. That is in her voting record.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/

Please point to me which part is "open borders."

I never said that she was right wing but she has position on both sides that make her moderate left of center overall.

Hmmm. Not for open borders?

*Hillary Clinton Said Her Dream Is A Hemispheric Common Market, With Open Trade And Open Markets. *
“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.” [05162013 Remarks to Banco Itau.doc, p. 28]…
*“Secondly, I think we have to have a concerted plan to increase trade already under the current circumstances, you know, that Inter-American Development Bank figure is pretty surprising. There is so much more we can do, there is a lot of low hanging fruit but businesses on both sides have to make it a priority and it’s not for governments to do but governments can either make it easy or make it hard and we have to resist, protectionism, other kinds of barriers to market access and to trade and I would like to see this get much more attention and be not just a policy for a year under president X or president Y but a consistent one.” [05162013 Remarks to Banco Itau.doc, p. 32]

[cd98]

Yes I get the white christian nationalist top issues are your defining issues but she also is big on deregulation, defense spending and is a war hawk. That is in her voting record.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/immigration-reform/

Please point to me which part is "open borders."

I never said that she was right wing but she has position on both sides that make her moderate left of center overall.

I didnt vote for Trump, so the white nationalist Christian "insult" that you mentioned doesn't apply. Only in a far left world is it an "insult" to call someone "white" and "Christian". Also, only in a far left mind like yours is a limit of any kind on abortion purely christian. It's actually a universal offense to all world religions. But abortion is not a pet issue of mine. You wanted an example of far left Hillary, and I gave you a few of the many. You see, the country is divided on abortion, but not on partial birth abortion. Most humans, regardless of religious affiliation, are against partial birth abortions. Most Americans want at least some regulation on abortion. But not far left people like you or Hillary. See for yourself. Are you for ANY limits on abortion? If so, what are they? Let's see how mainstream your views are or if they conform with Hillary's view: no limit on abortions.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/20/hillary-clinton-hides-behind-health-mother-defends/

[AFMadison]

Silence.... run away now :hat

[baseline bum]

Silence.... run away now :hat

Like you keep running from Trump's bait & switch on healthcare?

[AFMadison]

Like you keep running from Trump's bait & switch on healthcare?
Back to the beginning huh? I've addressed it, but you failed to do the same. Keep up, kiddo.

[baseline bum]

Back to the beginning huh? I've addressed it, but you failed to do the same. Keep up, kiddo.

Changing the subject isn't addressing it, shithead. He promised one thing and did a complete 180 with the garbage he pushed through the house.

[AFMadison]

Changing the subject isn't addressing it, shithead. He promised one thing and did a complete 180 with the garbage he pushed through the house.
You need to go back and read, kiddo. I do know that you're not going to address anything I said, because you can't. So I'm gonna leave this here with you... L

[baseline bum]

You need to go back and read, kiddo. I do know that you're not going to address anything I said, because you can't. So I'm gonna leave this here with you... L

LOL you can't answer for our Dear Leader pulling a complete bait and switch on healthcare. You just pretend it didn't ever happen like a good Trumptard.

[Walter Donovan]

I think both of you need to take a step back and relax_

[AFMadison]

LOL you can't answer for our Dear Leader pulling a complete bait and switch on healthcare. You just pretend it didn't ever happen like a good Trumptard.
Deflection at its finest.

[baseline bum]

Deflection at its finest.

LOL you can't answer for our Dear Leader pulling a complete bait and switch on healthcare. You just pretend it didn't ever happen like a good Trumptard.

[AFMadison]

Deflection at its finest.

[baseline bum]

LOL can't acknowledge our Dear Leader pulling a complete 180 on healthcare.

[RD2191]

You mean the people who created, designed, fought for, and developed the most powerful and prosperous country ever? The people who created western civilization? Yea, it will be so much better when those people are gone :rolleyes

The nation you so look forward to will basically be a clone of modern day brazil. Not exactly a 'better place'. You anti-white promoters are stupid as fuck...

You mean thieves, rapist and murderers who stole an entire country? Ok. :lol

[RD2191]

The country was built to greatness by the people that grew up in the depression and won WW2. They are all but dead now.

The generation currently dying off are the boomers. The baby boomers ran up a shit ton of debt voting themselves free rides and embracing the concept that greed was good ever since they entered their majority in the mid 70s. Boomers pretty famously rejected their forebearers with slogans like "don't trust anyone over 40" and "turn on, tune in, drop out" and then proceeded in dismantled the regulatory regime the country was built on in the 1980s thru today.

:lol "fought for" for the generation that justified draft dodging and lost Vietnam. Boomers didn't create shit; they just milked their legacy for all it was worth.

Truth nukes TBH

[baseline bum]

The country was built to greatness by the people that grew up in the depression and won WW2. They are all but dead now.

The generation currently dying off are the boomers. The baby boomers ran up a shit ton of debt voting themselves free rides and embracing the concept that greed was good ever since they entered their majority in the mid 70s. Boomers pretty famously rejected their forebearers with slogans like "don't trust anyone over 40" and "turn on, tune in, drop out" and then proceeded in dismantled the regulatory regime the country was built on in the 1980s thru today.

:lol "fought for" for the generation that justified draft dodging and lost Vietnam. Boomers didn't create shit; they just milked their legacy for all it was worth.

Damn :lol

[daslicer]

The country was built to greatness by the people that grew up in the depression and won WW2. They are all but dead now.

The generation currently dying off are the boomers. The baby boomers ran up a shit ton of debt voting themselves free rides and embracing the concept that greed was good ever since they entered their majority in the mid 70s. Boomers pretty famously rejected their forebearers with slogans like "don't trust anyone over 40" and "turn on, tune in, drop out" and then proceeded in dismantled the regulatory regime the country was built on in the 1980s thru today.

:lol "fought for" for the generation that justified draft dodging and lost Vietnam. Boomers didn't create shit; they just milked their legacy for all it was worth.

Awesome post. The only thing I would add is that generation X turned out to be lackey's of the Boomers. Instead of rebelling against the Boomers they eventually gave up due to the Boomers massive size advantage compared to their generation and became followers. This also played a role in the Boomers being able to speed up the process in dismantling the social safety nets that this country once had. Had Gen X rebelled against the Boomers they could have delayed and stopped some of the destruction.

[Joseph Kony]

The country was built to greatness by the people that grew up in the depression and won WW2. They are all but dead now.

The generation currently dying off are the boomers. The baby boomers ran up a shit ton of debt voting themselves free rides and embracing the concept that greed was good ever since they entered their majority in the mid 70s. Boomers pretty famously rejected their forebearers with slogans like "don't trust anyone over 40" and "turn on, tune in, drop out" and then proceeded in dismantled the regulatory regime the country was built on in the 1980s thru today.

:lol "fought for" for the generation that justified draft dodging and lost Vietnam. Boomers didn't create shit; they just milked their legacy for all it was worth.

:wow Fuzzy going HAM.

If you still are a Trump fellator at this point you're either delusional or retarded . Or a a faggot. Perhaps all three tbh

[shazork]

how to delete?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didnt vote for Trump, so the white nationalist Christian "insult" that you mentioned doesn't apply. Only in a far left world is it an "insult" to call someone "white" and "Christian". Also, only in a far left mind like yours is a limit of any kind on abortion purely christian. It's actually a universal offense to all world religions. But abortion is not a pet issue of mine. You wanted an example of far left Hillary, and I gave you a few of the many. You see, the country is divided on abortion, but not on partial birth abortion. Most humans, regardless of religious affiliation, are against partial birth abortions. Most Americans want at least some regulation on abortion. But not far left people like you or Hillary. See for yourself. Are you for ANY limits on abortion? If so, what are they? Let's see how mainstream your views are or if they conform with Hillary's view: no limit on abortions.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/20/hillary-clinton-hides-behind-health-mother-defends/


:lol When did I say you voted for Trump?

There are all kinds of issues that are important to voters. There is the economy, banking, education, environment, arts and sciences, infrastructure, housing, women's rights, minority rights, terrorism, security, social security, guns trade, SCOTUS, trade, LGBT, etc.

When evaluating someone politically it is important to be comprehensive. On social issues Hillary is liberal by and large but hardly unform but when it comes to the economy and foreign policy she is not. She is right with the jeebotards on the latter two particularly on trade, regulation, and defense.

As for white christian nationalism, I called you that because the shoe fit. You made no attempt at being comprehensive you chose three issues.

Immigration is the clarion call of white nationalists. You even went with the fear mongering rhetoric of the extreme right pedagogues like Duke and Bannon about open borders which was just so much stupidity. She voted for a wall herself when in the senate.

Abortion is by far the top issue for Christians. Fertility cults are annoying but I digress. Here you also went with the extreme fearmongering rhetoric of those of the god delusion with the talk of "no limits" as if she was going to remove the Wade vs Roe prohibitions on late term abortions already in place. You and Ted Cruz are peas in a pod.

And then of course there is the health care which is currently the signature issue of GOPotards. BTW, 60% of the public supports a public option. Given your own standard that makes it moderate.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx

On a final note you went straight for ideological purity. They differed from you so there for they were extreme. There is not surer sign of political extremism than that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hmmm. Not for open borders?

*Hillary Clinton Said Her Dream Is A Hemispheric Common Market, With Open Trade And Open Markets. *
“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.” [05162013 Remarks to Banco Itau.doc, p. 28]…
*“Secondly, I think we have to have a concerted plan to increase trade already under the current circumstances, you know, that Inter-American Development Bank figure is pretty surprising. There is so much more we can do, there is a lot of low hanging fruit but businesses on both sides have to make it a priority and it’s not for governments to do but governments can either make it easy or make it hard and we have to resist, protectionism, other kinds of barriers to market access and to trade and I would like to see this get much more attention and be not just a policy for a year under president X or president Y but a consistent one.” [05162013 Remarks to Banco Itau.doc, p. 32]

That is neocon rhetoric even if you do not see it. I guess you think that James Baker, George Bush, and Ronald Reagan are liberal?

[dabom]

Iowa? I hate fucking Iowa! :lol


I'ma quit reading this thread while I'm feeling good. Most of the people in this thread now, I honestly think I'd enjoy sitting down and having a drink with. I'm pretty sure I'd like them all better than the candidates on both sides. And it's reached a point where I understand arguments on both sides. I'll argue with you guys later about basketball, but not about this shit. :D




Not you, though.

Who would wanna drink with you though? :lmao

[AFMadison]

Ooh so I vote for conman Trump who is a much bigger steaming pile of corruption?
Hahahahhaha I literally won't be able to ever take anything you say again serious.

[baseline bum]

Hahahahhaha I literally won't be able to ever take anything you say again serious.

Says the person repeating Trump's retard conspiracy theories.

[AFMadison]

Says the person repeating Trump's retard conspiracy theories.
:lmao

[dylankerouac]

So someone needs to offer Iggy a boatload of cash amirite?

[look_at_g_shred]

So someone needs to offer Iggy a boatload of cash amirite?
I think it was reported that his market is going to be 20 mill a year...geez. Good. Hopefully GSW is forced to match.

[baseline bum]

:lmao

Remember when he promised everyone would be covered by his healthcare? And then pushed a bill that will kick 23 million people off their coverage? It's so funny watching you keep dodging his bait and switch. Also LOL at Trump crying McCarthyism when his mentor was Roy Cohn. At least Cohn got what he deserved when he died of AIDS.

[unleashbaynes]

Remember when he promised everyone would be covered by his healthcare? And then pushed a bill that will kick 23 million people off their coverage? It's so funny watching you keep dodging his bait and switch. Also LOL at Trump crying McCarthyism when his mentor was Roy Cohn. At least Cohn got what he deserved when he died of AIDS.

bSrS2gs6UHc

[AFMadison]

Remember when he promised everyone would be covered by his healthcare? And then pushed a bill that will kick 23 million people off their coverage? It's so funny watching you keep dodging his bait and switch. Also LOL at Trump crying McCarthyism when his mentor was Roy Cohn. At least Cohn got what he deserved when he died of AIDS.
:lmao

[AFMadison]

bSrS2gs6UHc
Lemon :lmao

[baseline bum]

:lmao

Still running from it son

[AFMadison]

Still running from it son
I can't anymore, anything you say... I just.. :lmao

[picnroll]

Can some mod wake up sand moves this to the political forum?

[baseline bum]

I can't anymore, anything you say... I just.. :lmao

So still running from our Dear Leader's bait and switch

[unleashbaynes]

Lemon :lmao

Which part of the video did you think was incorrect? Be specific.

[AFMadison]

Which part of the video did you think was incorrect? Be specific.
Lemon in general makes me lol. Sad.

[AFMadison]

So still running from our Dear Leader's bait and switch
Won't address anything I say. Says Trump is more Corrupt than HiLLary :lmao
Too many beta sheeps in this world

[baseline bum]

Won't address anything I say. Says Trump is more Corrupt than HiLLary :lmao
Too many beta sheeps in this world

LOL still can't address Trump's bait and switch on healthcare. Don't forget to lick his balls son.

[unleashbaynes]

Lemon in general makes me lol. Sad.

Why do you love the republican party/Trump more than you love America?

[AFMadison]

Why do you love the republican party/Trump more than you love America?
I don't. They stand for the American people, I love them because they love America. You've been baited into believing that Trump is a bad man. Down goes the D.C. establishment. America is back. Notice how there is still a Russian investigation with ZERO evidence. The elites can't take the L.

[AFMadison]

LOL still can't address Trump's bait and switch on healthcare. Don't forget to lick his balls son.
Ive addressed it, you just keep saying I haven't. I addressed the date that companies can pull or stay, which hasn't happened yet, and that's it's too early for a determination. Go back and read you idiot. You just say hat I didn't address it, when I did, so you can avoid addressing what I posted. You also post approval ratings from March, so you're statistically biased with numbers that only fit your narrative.

[Jdspur20]

I think it was reported that his market is going to be 20 mill a year...geez. Good. Hopefully GSW is forced to match.

Could they even afford Iggy at that point ?

[baseline bum]

Ive addressed it, you just keep saying I haven't. I addressed the date that companies can pull or stay, which hasn't happened yet, and that's it's too early for a determination. Go back and read you idiot. You just say hat I didn't address it, when I did, so you can avoid addressing what I posted. You also post approval ratings from March, so you're statistically biased with numbers that only fit your narrative.

You haven't addressed him doing a 180 son. LOL president bait & switch.

[AFMadison]

You haven't addressed him doing a 180 son. LOL president bait & switch.
My point proven. :lmao

[baseline bum]

My point proven. :lmao

To other Trumptards like you?

[AFMadison]

To other Trumptards like you?
Irony :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

SJW makes me cry.

[baseline bum]

Irony :lmao

Fits you well since you seem to believe all of Trump's retarded conspiracy theories. Well, almost all of them. At least you don't seem to believe Ted Cruz's dad was in on killing Kennedy.

[AFMadison]

Fits you well since you seem to believe all of Trump's retarded conspiracy theories. Well, almost all of them. At least you don't seem to believe Ted Cruz's dad was in on killing Kennedy.
:wakeup
You're still sleeping. Time to be woke.

[AFMadison]

SJW makes me cry.

[baseline bum]

:wakeup
You're still sleeping. Time to be woke.

LOL Trumptard

[dabom]

baseline bum doing gods work. :tu

[AFMadison]

LOL Trumptard
Libtard

[baseline bum]

SJW makes me cry.

LOL anyone on the right crying about PC after all the butthurt over Kathy Griffin.

[baseline bum]

baseline bum doing gods work. :tu

no god tbh

[dabom]

no god tbh

Atheist or agnostic?

[baseline bum]

Atheist or agnostic?

I don't have any belief in any god, so atheist I guess.

[dabom]

I don't have any belief in any god, so atheist I guess.

Agnostic the better choice in my mind. No argument here.

[Mikeanaro]

LOL anyone on the right crying about PC after all the butthurt over Kathy Griffin.
You are cherry-picking stuff and have a blurry vision about facts and life, just like any SJW, Trump made his fortune using his own resources, unlike Hillary/Obama that made their fortune playing politics, Obama even had Goldman Sachs funds before being a president, what a corporate fuck, G Sachs was a top contributor to both campaigns...

What libtards dont understand is there are limits, you cant do that kind of crap no matter who is president, that Horse Griffin was crying for attention motivating people to do violence just like your pal Bernie Sanders and his shooting fellas, Griffin was even ready to go after Barron... and 11 year old boy, then when shit hits the ceiling fan people went after her own kids and she felt her life was in danger, thats the PC you talk about?

[bic50]

But pau opted out tho

[baseline bum]

You are cherry-picking stuff and have a blurry vision about facts and life, just like any SJW, Trump made his fortune using his own resources, unlike Hillary/Obama that made their fortune playing politics, Obama even had Goldman Sachs funds before being a president, what a corporate fuck, G Sachs was a top contributor to both campaigns...


Trump got a huge a bank bailout after driving his casino into the ground. How do you bankrupt a casino?



What libtards dont understand is there are limits, you cant do that kind of crap no matter who is president, that Horse Griffin was crying for attention motivating people to do violence just like your pal Bernie Sanders and his shooting fellas, Griffin was even ready to go after Barron... and 11 year old boy, then when shit hits the ceiling fan people went after her own kids and she felt her life was in danger, thats the PC you talk about?

Your boy is the one who talked about assassinating Clinton. Why do annoying democrat comics need to be held to a higher standard than republican presidents?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are cherry-picking stuff and have a blurry vision about facts and life, just like any SJW, Trump made his fortune using his own resources, unlike Hillary/Obama that made their fortune playing politics, Obama even had Goldman Sachs funds before being a president, what a corporate fuck, G Sachs was a top contributor to both campaigns...

What libtards dont understand is there are limits, you cant do that kind of crap no matter who is president, that Horse Griffin was crying for attention motivating people to do violence just like your pal Bernie Sanders and his shooting fellas, Griffin was even ready to go after Barron... and 11 year old boy, then when shit hits the ceiling fan people went after her own kids and she felt her life was in danger, thats the PC you talk about?

:lol

Trump inherited his father's fortune and got his start off a loan. He also has defaulted on so many loans that no one in western culture will loan him money anymore.

And I don't think anyone here is going to deny that Obama was not bought out by special interest too. OTOH, while Geithner was from the federal reserve, Munchin, Trump's SoT, actually was an executive at Goldman Sachs. Nuance is tough I know.

Just curious how did Sanders encourage violence? I can post a whole lot of videos denouncing it over and again.

:lol whining about Barron like you really give a shit and claiming that PC people don't know about limits is just rife with cognitive dissonance.

Everyone gives a shit about being offended themselves. The difference is that that the left by and large actually has empathy about people other than themselves and who they are party to.

[Mikeanaro]

Trump got a huge a bank bailout after driving his casino into the ground. How do you bankrupt a casino?



Your boy is the one who talked about assassinating Clinton. Why do annoying democratic comics need to be held to a higher standard than republican presidents?
Ask to all those casinos that received implosion treatment, not every building was rotten.

Because there are limits, if you cant understand that I feel sorry for you, Trump is a billionaire so he could pay any clown to do that kind of Griffin crap on Obama/Hillary but it never happened, and by saying that about republican presidents it only shows your intolerance.

[Mikeanaro]

:lol

Trump inherited his father's fortune and got his start off a loan. He also has defaulted on so many loans that no one in western culture will loan him money anymore.

And I don't think anyone here is going to deny that Obama was not bought out by special interest too. OTOH, while Geithner was from the federal reserve, Munchin, Trump's SoT, actually was an executive at Goldman Sachs. Nuance is tough I know.

Just curious how did Sanders encourage violence? I can post a whole lot of videos denouncing it over and again.

:lol whining about Barron like you really give a shit and claiming that PC people don't know about limits is just rife with cognitive dissonance.

Everyone gives a shit about being offended themselves. The difference is that that the left by and large actually has empathy about people other than themselves and who they are party to.
Inherited? that means every guy that has a million then it has a billion and a trillion????????
If you have a $10.000 you could have $100.000 and then $1.000.000

He called for a revolution, and all his democratic rhetoric is about killing Trump and republicans by talking action, when a socialist talks about ¨revolution¨and ¨action¨ have you ever heard about Che Guevara or Castro? it seems you dont have an idea, but promoting hate has that kind of results, specially from a socialist bozo (who is a millionaire that doesnt share his wealth).

I care about it, 50 something year old farts should not mess with kids no matter who their father is, you are showing your true colors here.

The only thing the left cares about is power, thats why they tried to sell the country for an election bringing illegals lying, accepting money from countries that kills gays and lesbians, creating a whole media campaign against the competition, fucking one of their own candidates during the primary, deleting 30000 mails, having strong ties with huge corporations to make their own businesses.
All behind that ¨We are the world, we are the children¨ facade because there was no improvement at all, where were the women´s rights during Obama/Moochelle period?

[baseline bum]

Ask to all those casinos that received implosion treatment, not every building was rotten.

Because there are limits, if you cant understand that I feel sorry for you, Trump is a billionaire so he could pay any clown to do that kind of Griffin crap on Obama/Hillary but it never happened, and by saying that about republican presidents it only shows your intolerance.

I'm intolerant because Trump talked about assassinating Clinton? It's intolerant to expect republican presidents to be held to at least the standard that democrat comics are?

[Joseph Kony]

why are trumptards so quick to call everyone snowflakes and libtards when the POTUS is literally the biggest snowflake who gets triggered and butthurt more than anyone in US history while constantly reatreating to his twitter safe space to cry like a bitch? :lmao :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

I'm intolerant because Trump talked about assassinating Clinton? It's intolerant to expect republican presidents to be held to at least the standard that democrat comics are?
You are intolerant because you are putting Trump on a corner when Obama´s medcare did nothing good in 8 years, intolerant because you were judging him since day one, because now its a good time for drinking not 2008-2016, calling for impeachment for nothing and approving Hillary forgetting the fact that Bill is a sexual predator, whats good about Benghazi or the deleted mails? yet you support that, so thats intolerance.
As I said before, if Trump was the madman media tries to sell with all his money Hillary would be dead meat.

[baseline bum]

You are intolerant because you are putting Trump on a corner when Obama´s medcare did nothing good in 8 years, intolerant because you were judging him since day one, because now its a good time for drinking not 2008-2016, calling for impeachment for nothing and approving Hillary forgetting the fact that Bill is a sexual predator, whats good about Benghazi or the deleted mails? yet you support that, so thats intolerance.
As I said before, if Trump was the madman media tries to sell with all his money Hillary would be dead meat.

Are you on drugs?

[baseline bum]

why are trumptards so quick to call everyone snowflakes and libtards when the POTUS is literally the biggest snowflake who gets triggered and butthurt more than anyone in US history while constantly reatreating to his twitter safe space to cry like a bitch? :lmao :lmao

:lmao

[Mikeanaro]

Are you on drugs?
Now deflecting while trying to offend, intolerance at its best.

[baseline bum]

Now deflecting while trying to offend, intolerance at its best.

:cry I'm sorry snowflake :cry

[baseline bum]

What does putting Trump on a corner mean?

[spurraider21]

:lol claiming Ted Cruz's dad helped Oswald kill Kennedy
:lol claiming Obama wasn't born in the US
:lol claiming Obama and Clinton founded ISIS
:lol claiming vaccines cause autism
:lol claiming global warming is a conspiracy from China
:lol claiming Obama tapp his phones
:lol claiming he really won the popular vote and that 3-5 million illegals voted in California for Clinton
:lol claiming thousands of Muslims in New Jersey were cheering as the towers burned
:lol President Conspiritard


:lol he bankrupted a fucking casino. How do you do that?
:lol Trump airlines
:lol son in law Cuckner looking for a bank bailout just like our Dear Leader got to keep him afloat


:lol claiming over and over he was going to cover everyone with better and cheaper healthcare than Obamacare
:lol claiming no one was going to lose insurance
:lol claiming he wasn't going to touch Medicaid
:lol Trumpcare slashing Medicaid like hell and throwing 23 million people off their health insurance
:lol President Bait & Switch
this one's my favorite


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQMFSvjezzg

[spurraider21]

The DEMS shifted far left in that they are greedy corrupt people who would rather anoint candidates they owe favors to rather than listen to the people.

So ya. That's on the DEMS. Thanks guys and girls!
which part of that is an inherent characteristic of shifting left?

[Mikeanaro]

:cry I'm sorry snowflake :cry
Snowflakes are liberal dems that support giant corporate fucks, Im not one of those.

[baseline bum]

Snowflakes are liberal dems that support giant corporate fucks, Im not one of those.

Don't piss me off, I'm gonna put you on a corner.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Inherited? that means every guy that has a million then it has a billion and a trillion????????
If you have a $10.000 you could have $100.000 and then $1.000.000

He called for a revolution, and all his democratic rhetoric is about killing Trump and republicans by talking action, when a socialist talks about ¨revolution¨and ¨action¨ have you ever heard about Che Guevara or Castro? it seems you dont have an idea, but promoting hate has that kind of results, specially from a socialist bozo (who is a millionaire that doesnt share his wealth).

I care about it, 50 something year old farts should not mess with kids no matter who their father is, you are showing your true colors here.

The only thing the left cares about is power, thats why they tried to sell the country for an election bringing illegals lying, accepting money from countries that kills gays and lesbians, creating a whole media campaign against the competition, fucking one of their own candidates during the primary, deleting 30000 mails, having strong ties with huge corporations to make their own businesses.
All behind that ¨We are the world, we are the children¨ facade because there was no improvement at all, where were the women´s rights during Obama/Moochelle period?

You said that he did it with his own money. That is not the case. He took out loans and defaulted on them for the majority of his assets.

He called for a political revolution where people got out to vote and reestablished the democratic party. You act like he was a Bolshevik which is stupid.

Barron was invoked after the fact. It's the same argument that PC people make about racial and sexist jokes as how it might effect a hell of a lot more children who are exposed to them. Griffin did not email the pic to Barron; that is just how your hypocrites spun it.

Your boy just agreed to sell weapons to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. I have no idea what you are talking about. If you want to paint Hillary as a neolib of the new world order I won't argue it but you should look to your own if you take issue with it.

There is a difference between liking Hillary more than Trump and liking Hillary. Nuance is tough I know. :rolleyes

[Joseph Kony]

i notice the trumptard is failing to address any legit points about being duped by president bait and switch :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

You said that he did it with his own money. That is not the case. He took out loans and defaulted on them for the majority of his assets.

He called for a political revolution where people got out to vote and reestablished the democratic party. You act like he was a Bolshevik which is stupid.

Barron was invoked after the fact. It's the same argument that PC people make about racial and sexist jokes as how it might effect a hell of a lot more children who are exposed to them. Griffin did not email the pic to Barron; that is just how your hypocrites spun it.

Your boy just agreed to sell weapons to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. I have no idea what you are talking about. If you want to paint Hillary as a neolib of the new world order I won't argue it but you should look to your own if you take issue with it.

There is a difference between liking Hillary more than Trump and liking Hillary. Nuance is tough I know. :rolleyes
That means he did it by his own, loans or not it was on him was not free and there were risks, unlike using the country assets andpulling political strings like certain others did.

And Bernie lost the election and still keeps talking about ¨revolution¨and ¨action¨ without telling any concrete thing to do, socialism pushes for violence thats a fact.

It wasnt invoked after the fact, she said she was going after Donald and Barron in December ´16 get your facts straight.

Agreed to make business selling weapons, not pay to play schemes selling the country interests.

[Mikeanaro]

i notice the trumptard is failing to address any legit points about being duped by president bait and switch :lmao
I notice you dont have anything useful to say, if Hillary were tweeting as a president you´d be like SHE DOES THAT BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO BE IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE ASAP.
Now if Trump does you´d be like THAT POS IS SCARED SAFE PLACE BLABLA.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That means he did it by his own, loans or not it was on him was not free and there were risks, unlike using the country assets andpulling political strings like certain others did.

And Bernie lost the election and still keeps talking about ¨revolution¨and ¨action¨ without telling any concrete thing to do, socialism pushes for violence thats a fact.

It wasnt invoked after the fact, she said she was going after Donald and Barron in December ´16 get your facts straight.

Agreed to make business selling weapons, not pay to play schemes selling the country interests.

Your problem is that you have to oversimplify things to understand them.

Trump needed help to get started and the notion that he could have built Trump Tower without the loan from his father is deluded. From there he borrowed heavily and used shady accounting to profit off bankruptcy. He's not Thomas Edison by a long shot.

Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist and expressly denounces violence. He call for political action and political revolution. Nuance is tough or you so I understand how it is confusing for oyu.

You are confusing Marxism and Socialism and misrepresenting it. Marx's theory of class struggle predicted proletariat's rising and creating revolution for the communist ideal. Lenin, Mao and others forced the issue but you act like there was some ideological purity within the ranks. That is just ignorant. Stalin for example rose to power by subjugating or outright eliminating democratic socialists to consolidate power in Georgia before instigating his violent uprises.

This notion that socialism inherently means violent revolt to achieve that end is ignorant.

:lol you completely ignored ny point about the hypocrisy of such PC calls :cry POOR BARRON :cry

He is arming and entrenching people that are doing the things that you were just complaining about. You can equivocate all you like but you lack logical consistency.

[Mikeanaro]

Your problem is that you have to oversimplify things to understand them.

Trump needed help to get started and the notion that he could have built Trump Tower without the loan from his father is deluded. From there he borrowed heavily and used shady accounting to profit off bankruptcy. He's not Thomas Edison by a long shot.

Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist and expressly denounces violence. He call for political action and political revolution. Nuance is tough or you so I understand how it is confusing for oyu.

You are confusing Marxism and Socialism and misrepresenting it. Marx's theory of class struggle predicted proletariat's rising and creating revolution for the communist ideal. Lenin, Mao and others forced the issue but you act like there was some ideological purity within the ranks. That is just ignorant. Stalin for example rose to power by subjugating or outright eliminating democratic socialists to consolidate power in Georgia before instigating his violent uprises.

This notion that socialism inherently means violent revolt to achieve that end is ignorant.

:lol you completely ignored ny point about the hypocrisy of such PC calls :cry POOR BARRON :cry

He is arming and entrenching people that are doing the things that you were just complaining about. You can equivocate all you like but you lack logical consistency.
Im not saying he is a genius, but people tend to think he is a poor idiot when not everyone gets richer just because they have a couple millions, some end up living on the streets.
The whole ¨daddy was rich and he did nothing right¨ is a lame way to underlook him, even Hillary dared to question his fortune during the debates.

Its not me, its how socialism works, the aggressors during Trump´s rallies and shooters came all from the Dem party.
People breaking and burning things on New York were Dems and neither Hillary nor Bernie said a thing.

Is not a matter of Marx Lenin Guevara Castro, he talks about socialism targeting at what? Venezuela? all that left crap only works on students, thats why he has such young followers but he is not sharing his 3 houses or the million he makes a year, young people are idealists and they dont have problem with violence.

Is not how they get to power or how they control people? Castro?

Whats the hypocrisy?, there are no 2 wrongs make 1 right here, you think picking on a 11 year old kid is fine, no much to say about that.

He is arming people that is not a menace for the US, not selling stuff to North Korea, if not they could buy weapons from other countries anyway.

On the other hand socialist Chavez talked shit about USA until his last breath calling Bush jr MR DANGER, and then he picked on Obama he was ¨THESE IMPERIALIST PIGS BLAH BLAH THEY ARE WATCHING US THEY WANT TO TAKE OUR COUNTRIES¨ and while he made those stupid speeches Venezuela was selling petroleum to the States, they keep selling it and by the time of his death, his daughter had 4 billion in USA banks.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Im not saying he is a genius, but people tend to think he is a poor idiot when not everyone gets richer just because they have a couple millions, some end up living on the streets.
The whole ¨daddy was rich and he did nothing right¨ is a lame way to underlook him, even Hillary dare to question his fortune during the debates.

Its not me, its how socialism works, the aggressors during Trump´s rallies and shooters came all from the Dem party.
People breaking and burning things on New York were Dems and neither Hillary nor Bernie said a thing.

Is not a matter of Marx Lenin Guevara Castro, he talks about socialism targeting at what? Venezuela? all that left crap only works on students, thats why he has such young followers but he is not sharing his 3 houses or the million he makes a year, young people are idealists and they dont have problem with violence.

Is not how they get to power or how they control people? Castro?

Whats the hypocrisy?, there are no 2 wrongs make 1 right here, you think picking on a 11 year old kid is fine, no much to say about that.

He is arming people that is not a menace for the US, not selling stuff to North Korea, if not they could buy weapons from other countries anyway.

On the other hand socialist Chavez talked shit about USA until his last breath calling Bush jr MR DANGER, and then he picked on Obama he was ¨THESE IMPERIALIST PIGS BLAH BLAH THEY ARE WATCHING US THEY WANT TO TAKE OUR COUNTRIES¨ and while he made those stupid speeches Venezuela was selling petroleum to the States, they keep selling it and by the time of his death, his daughter had 4 billion in USA banks.

What you said is that he did it on his own. You keep dissembling and equivocating but he did not do it on his own. You can beat up all the strawmen you like.

You read just like Chucho just not as shrill with this insistence of leftist violence. There are crazies on both extremes. The leadership of only one side called for violence. That would be Trump on his lonesome. Trump saying that any protesters at his rallies should be beaten contributed to the violence at his rallies moreso than anything that Sanders did or said.

And how would you know how socialism works? You can pretend socialism = sandinistas if it makes you feel better but that is a pretty dumbed down way of looking at it. Most of europe is socialist to one degree or another and LBJ and Nixon did not require violent revolution to enact their socialist policies.

I'm not saying that their are not violent marxists. That is asinine. Equally as ignorant is the calim that all must be like that. Bottom line is that Sanders has only denounced violence.

They hypocrisy is calling out people for saying something offensive because of Barron and then turning around and ignoring all the times your party says offensive things by palying the PC card. I have no idea why you come at me with this two things wrong make a right. Your the one with the moral equivalent after another.

And who gives a shit about Chavez unless you want to talk about Kissinger and his role in shitting the bed on the gulf coast of south america. If you want to bring up violent scialists then LEnin and Stalin are a much better example. OTOH, Sweden, Holland, Denmark, Portugal, Iceland, and Finland are all examples of socialist states taht were peacefully formed. The Scandinavian model is precisely what Sanders calls for.

Frankly using your logic people could have said that the democracy was inherently violent because of the way that the US, France, British, and similar fledgling democracies were formed. And indeed royalists made that exact argument. It's interesting how modern day conservatives are so similar to tories and other royalists from the 19th century.

[cd98]

To all you democrats out there, just curious, what do you think of the Evergreen college day of absence for white people and the student demands to fire a white professor who refused to stay home from work?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

To all you democrats out there, just curious, what do you think of the Evergreen college day of absence for white people and the student demands to fire a white professor who refused to stay home from work?

I'm not a democrat, have not voted the dem ticket this millennium, but I side with the extremely liberal democratic professor in question.

I can understand why you would want to focus on the fringe and kids as opposed to the leadership given the Cheese Puff that leads you.

[cd98]

I'm not a democrat, have not voted the dem ticket this millennium, but I side with the extremely liberal democratic professor in question.

I can understand why you would want to focus on the fringe and kids as opposed to the leadership given the Cheese Puff that leads you.

Just curious. My guess is that the perception of the college students has led to a President Trump.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just curious. My guess is that the perception of the college students has led to a President Trump.

It wasn't college students that carried him in the primaries. That would be poor uneducated whites. By definition college students don't fall into that category.

Millennials are angry and they have the plurality too now. They would have carried Sanders just like they did Obama. They turned their back on Hillary not that I blame them.

Trump catered to white trash with his rhetoric otoh and they carried him. I'm hoping they are not so stupid that they don't see that he lied and shape up but we will see.

Bipartisan distaste for the establishment led to Trump is what I think.

[Mikeanaro]

What you said is that he did it on his own. You keep dissembling and equivocating but he did not do it on his own. You can beat up all the strawmen you like.

You read just like Chucho just not as shrill with this insistence of leftist violence. There are crazies on both extremes. The leadership of only one side called for violence. That would be Trump on his lonesome. Trump saying that any protesters at his rallies should be beaten contributed to the violence at his rallies moreso than anything that Sanders did or said.

And how would you know how socialism works? You can pretend socialism = sandinistas if it makes you feel better but that is a pretty dumbed down way of looking at it. Most of europe is socialist to one degree or another and LBJ and Nixon did not require violent revolution to enact their socialist policies.

I'm not saying that their are not violent marxists. That is asinine. Equally as ignorant is the calim that all must be like that. Bottom line is that Sanders has only denounced violence.

They hypocrisy is calling out people for saying something offensive because of Barron and then turning around and ignoring all the times your party says offensive things by palying the PC card. I have no idea why you come at me with this two things wrong make a right. Your the one with the moral equivalent after another.

And who gives a shit about Chavez unless you want to talk about Kissinger and his role in shitting the bed on the gulf coast of south america. If you want to bring up violent scialists then LEnin and Stalin are a much better example. OTOH, Sweden, Holland, Denmark, Portugal, Iceland, and Finland are all examples of socialist states taht were peacefully formed. The Scandinavian model is precisely what Sanders calls for.

Frankly using your logic people could have said that the democracy was inherently violent because of the way that the US, France, British, and similar fledgling democracies were formed. And indeed royalists made that exact argument. It's interesting how modern day conservatives are so similar to tories and other royalists from the 19th century.
He did it on his own just like he is the POTUS now, had no REP help, media was against him etc., you are making strawmen arguments by putting his dad loans and whatever you like.

He said that after Demtards started, what kind of retard goes looking for troubles when there are probably a thousand people supporting a candidate? so no, there are no crazies on both extremes, they were just Demtards trying to hurt people that went to support their candidate, they had no business at all going there, do you go to LGBT parades to hurt people?

Of couse Bernie is not a true socialist, he has 3 houses one of them is worth like $800.000 but you have no guarantee of what can he do, specially when he let Hillary fuck him hard and was more than ok with it.

I dont understand whats the good part of picking 11 years old kids, there is no PC at all, only a retard fuck would do something like that, so lets say Im a fairly tall dude and I hate some guy, should I go after his son while he is walking down the street, punch him in the stomach or something like that because who cares?
Thats your policy not mine, you are mixing things up, saying Reps says offensive things by playing the PC card, but I´ve never seen them picking on Obama´s daughters and they were 10 and 8 when Barry had his first term, they are not even talking about them now that there are some pics of one of them smoking weed, oh Barry the good fatha.

That doesnt work in the USA... Sweden, Holland, Denmark, Portugal, Iceland, and Finland people is very different than Americans.

Sometimes Democracy is violent, is what it is, why deny it? And in other eras as you say violence was more than common to control people.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He did it on his own just like he is the POTUS now, had no REP help, media was against him etc., you are making strawmen arguments by putting his dad loans and whatever you like.

He said that after Demtards started, what kind of retard goes looking for troubles when there are probably a thousand people supporting a candidate? so no, there are no crazies on both extremes, they were just Demtards trying to hurt people that went to support their candidate, they had no business at all going there, do you go to LGBT parades to hurt people?

Of couse Bernie is not a true socialist, he has 3 houses one of them is worth like $800.000 but you have no guarantee of what can he do, specially when he let Hillary fuck him hard and was more than ok with it.

I dont understand whats the good part of picking 11 years old kids, there is no PC at all, only a retard fuck would do something like that, so lets say Im a fairly tall dude and I hate some guy, should I go after his son while he is walking down the street, punch him in the stomach or something like that because who cares?
Thats your policy not mine, you are mixing things up, saying Reps says offensive things by playing the PC card, but I´ve never seen them picking on Obama´s daughters and they were 10 and 8 when Barry had his first term, they are not even talking about them now that there are some pics of one of them smoking weed, oh Barry the good fatha.

That doesnt work in the USA... Sweden, Holland, Denmark, Portugal, Iceland, and Finland people is very different than Americans.

Sometimes Democracy is violent, is what it is, why deny it? And in other eras as you say violence was more than common to control people.

:lol A million dollar loan and inheriting a real estate empire is "nothing."
:lol So Fox and the GOP didn't support Trump 100% ever since the RNC convention to this day.
:cry Bernie isn't poor!
:cry poor Barron :cry
:lol No one went after the Obama girls
Axaw9CnUGKo
:lol Northern Europe is way too different but you blithely compare him to Che Guevara and Hugo Chavez.

[Mikeanaro]

:lol A million dollar loan and inheriting a real estate empire is "nothing."
:lol So Fox and the GOP didn't support Trump 100% ever since the RNC convention to this day.
:cry Bernie isn't poor!
:cry poor Barron :cry
:lol No one went after the Obama girls
Axaw9CnUGKo
:lol Northern Europe is way too different but you blithely compare him to Che Guevara and Hugo Chavez.
Well then why 75% of pro athletes makes more than a million and then lose everything? As I said before, Im pretty sure you have $10.000 dollars, so you can make $100.000 and after that $1.000.000 because its so easy, Donny went from 1 mil to billions like everyone does...

Fox supported Trump, but the rest of the media which was a 94% not, and MSM said he had 2% chances. Now you say he had all the media kissing his ass WTF.
Reps supported Trump when he was the clear winner, before that they wanted a pure politician, not someone that gives 2 fucks about holding hands with his wife for pictures and approval.

Bernie is not poor, bad example for teenagers.
Barron is 11 years old so no one should mess with him.

Hannity is saying the Obie girls enjoy because its free, I dont see any similarity with beheading Trump and making articles that Barron thought it was real, or media saying he is autistic or that he uses a 30 dollar shirt, or a shemale like Griffin saying she was after him, or Julie Bowen using him to punch his dad.

Because with American people under socialism you wont have Denmark or Iceland, you will have Cuba, Venezuela or Panama, hate to break it to you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well then why 75% of pro athletes makes more than a million and then lose everything? As I said before, Im pretty sure you have $10.000 dollars, so you can make $100.000 and after that $1.000.000 because its so easy, Donny went from 1 mil to billions like everyone does...

Fox supported Trump, but the rest of the media which was a 94% not, and MSM said he had 2% chances. Now you say he had all the media kissing his ass WTF.
Reps supported Trump when he was the clear winner, before that they wanted a pure politician, not someone that gives 2 fucks about holding hands with his wife for pictures and approval.

Bernie is not poor, bad example for teenagers.
Barron is 11 years old so no one should mess with him.

Hannity is saying the Obie girls enjoy because its free, I dont see any similarity with beheading Trump and making articles that Barron thought it was real, or media saying he is autistic or that he uses a 30 dollar shirt, or a shemale like Griffin saying she was after him, or Julie Bowen using him to punch his dad.

Because with American people under socialism you wont have Denmark or Iceland, you will have Cuba, Venezuela or Panama, hate to break it to you.

You said that Trump made all his money by himself. He didn't.

You said no one in the media supported him. There was.

You said no one attacked Obama's daughters. They did. You also did not give a shit. Partisan PC is the best. :rolleyes

Your blanket dismissal of Northern European Socialism is cute and all but you have no basis for it and you thought that south american was a valid comparison. Our government and society is a lot more like there then Cuba and Venezuela.

I look forward to more equivocating, dissembling and unsubstantiated, contradicted assertions.

[Mikeanaro]

You said that Trump made all his money by himself. He didn't.

You said no one in the media supported him. There was.

You said no one attacked Obama's daughters. They did. You also did not give a shit. Partisan PC is the best. :rolleyes

Your blanket dismissal of Northern European Socialism is cute and all but you have no basis for it and you thought that south american was a valid comparison. Our government and society is a lot more like there then Cuba and Venezuela.

I look forward to more equivocating, dissembling and unsubstantiated, contradicted assertions.
He did it just as you are where you are because mom and dad paid your food clothes and toys, and also became POTUS all by himself with no political background whatsoever, all in one try.

Yeah I see you tend to cherry pick shit just like in your BB takes, 94% talking shit about him is not enough...

Wrong, read carefully, I said nobody attacked them when they were 10 and 8, your video is from 2013 that particular event is like 1579 days after my claim, wrong nitpicking.

Yeah, with all the hillbillies black people and latinos there I bet you can make you Denmark in a heartbeat, most liberals say Trump won because trailer park people was happy with him...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He did it just as you are where you are because mom and dad paid your food clothes and toys, and also became POTUS all by himself with no political background whatsoever, all in one try.

Yeah I see you tend to cherry pick shit just like in your BB takes, 94% talking shit about him is not enough...

Wrong, read carefully, I said nobody attacked them when they were 10 and 8, your video is from 2013 that particular event is like 1579 days after my claim, wrong nitpicking.

Yeah, with all the hillbillies black people and latinos there I bet you can make you Denmark in a heartbeat, most liberals say Trump won because trailer park people was happy with him...

My parents did not loan me 7 figures to start my business and then bequeath me a real estate empire. This is what I was talking about with false equivalence.
You said no one in the media supported him. Own it. Fox also has over half of the cable news market. Then there is the rest of the right wing market. You suck at statistics.
You said no one attacked them period. You mentioned that they were young early but that was not all. Apparently going after 14 year olds is okay with you now. This is exactly what I am saying about equivocating.
Like Scandinavia doesn't have poor or uneducated people. GOP primary turnout went up 20%. It was poor uneducated whitey that was the upsurge. It is what it is.

[Joseph Kony]

I notice you dont have anything useful to say, if Hillary were tweeting as a president you´d be like SHE DOES THAT BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO BE IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE ASAP.
Now if Trump does you´d be like THAT POS IS SCARED SAFE PLACE BLABLA.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I'm not a hillary supporter either you dumb faggot :lol not surprised trumptards think shit only exists as binaries. think of a better retort besides :cry b-b-but hillary :cry

[Mikeanaro]

I'm not a hillary supporter either you dumb faggot :lol not surprised trumptards think shit only exists as binaries. think of a better retort besides :cry b-b-but hillary :cry
Yet you only attack Trump, my binary ape friend, while others attack both sides.

[ducks]

DID GS GIVE THE MONEY TO THE GEORGIA DISTRICK DONKEY LOSER
USA USA USA USA USA USA

[Mikeanaro]

My parents did not loan me 7 figures to start my business and then bequeath me a real estate empire. This is what I was talking about with false equivalence.
You said no one in the media supported him. Own it. Fox also has over half of the cable news market. Then there is the rest of the right wing market. You suck at statistics.
You said no one attacked them period. You mentioned that they were young early but that was not all. Apparently going after 14 year olds is okay with you now. This is exactly what I am saying about equivocating.
Like Scandinavia doesn't have poor or uneducated people. GOP primary turnout went up 20%. It was poor uneducated whitey that was the upsurge. It is what it is.
Excuses, you can make ten thousand, then a hundred and then a million.

Again, 94% against you is not enough? It qualifies as all the media against him talking crap and just one channel giving support, now you talk like because he had only that channel, it was the biggest ever and he won because of Fox, also he had every online place talking shit like Yahoo, HufPost, NY Times, LA Times, but Fox was bigger, even when CNN has channels all over the world and CNN LatinAmerica was selling crap when Latinos played a big part of the election because of the Wall thing.
94% in USA, and 100% against him outside USA is not enough... more excuses, sure Danny Green also hits one shot every season.

No, I´said no one attacked them when their were 10 and 8, read again.
Also one thing is attacking a kid that is doing nothing, and other thing is pointing the obvious, which is talking vacations all over the world because the American people is going to pay for it.
Is not a good thing when you consider Daddy O took the national debt from 9 trillion to 18 trillion.

You dont have a base there, Scandinavians are not like Americans, you try to compare a 21 million country with no illegals as its the same than a 325 mil full of culture clashes.
Sure, just multiply it by 15 and its the same place...