Rep. Steve scalise shot at a GOP baseball practice

[Adam Lambert]

you people have the worst comics

[spurraider21]

So because Spurraider21 wants to live in the US, the US is the best country on Earth? Are there no criteria other than personal preferences?

Now go ahead, slip some solipsisms.
what? you have it ass-backwards. its the country i most want to live in BECAUSE it's the best. whether or not its the best is subjective.

Oh stop. It is not being covered. If a Trump supporter shot a democratic congressman at a game like that it would be front and center and you fuckin' know it. Stop playing the goddamn margins you little chickenshit.
prognostication as evidence. moving goalposts as usual, like a chickenshit. it was on their front page when i replied with that

[spurraider21]

I don't do the troll thing. Do your own research...I'm not going to hold your hand.
what troll thing? you mentioned how hillary sold 20% of our uranium to russia. i'm calling bullshit and asking for your interpretation of the uranium one deal.

that's not a troll thing.

you posting memes and running away is a troll thing

[Adam Lambert]

it probably would be covered more if a trump supporter shot a democrat congressman because that would be a lot more consistent with their pro-shooting-people rhetoric. so no big deal there. bet we'll find out when the dems take back congress.

[DMC]

what? you have it ass-backwards. its the country i most want to live in BECAUSE it's the best. whether or not its the best is subjective.

prognostication as evidence. moving goalposts as usual, like a chickenshit. it was on their front page when i replied with that

I asked you what makes it the best. You've used a tautology by saying it's because you want to live here. Then you said you want to live here because it's the best. I think you misunderstand the concept of "best" in those terms. It's not like food. There are actual statistics and facts to support a statement like that, but if you want to use that version of it, I don't have a problem with it.

It was a side item over there with "you won't believe what happens next" and it was talking about recovery of the victim, nothing at all about the shooter. Nope, that's off limits, like Pop after 2013 and Mitch after Odom.

[DMC]

it probably would be covered more if a trump supporter shot a democrat congressman because that would be a lot more consistent with their pro-shooting-people rhetoric. so no big deal there. bet we'll find out when the dems take back congress.

So when it's expected that should be more newsworthy? Brilliant deduction there genius.

[spurraider21]

I asked you what makes it the best. You've used a tautology by saying it's because you want to live here. Then you said you want to live here because it's the best. I think you misunderstand the concept of "best" in those terms. It's not like food. There are actual statistics and facts to support a statement like that, but if you want to use that version of it, I don't have a problem with it.
then you just missed the entire point of that exchange.

- booboo criticized the US as he does
- ducks said "which country is better?"

so my point was, even if we stipulate that america IS the best as ducks implies, that doesn't mean we can't strive for improvements. then you pulled us into a tangent by trying to define what "best" means when it was irrelevant to the conversation

[Adam Lambert]

So when it's expected that should be more newsworthy? Brilliant deduction there genius.

yeah thats a real crazy concept isnt it einstein? thats why murders committed by terrorists get so little attention. because its expected.

idiot.

[DMC]

yeah thats a real crazy concept isnt it smarty? thats why murders committed by terrorists get so little attention. because its expected.

idiot.

The term "newsworthy" means it's not a normal occurrence, a concept that must be lost on you, who thinks a normal occurrence is more newsworthy than something no one expected.

Just admit you fucked up.

[DMC]

then you just missed the entire point of that exchange.

- booboo criticized the US as he does
- ducks said "which country is better?"

so my point was, even if we stipulate that america IS the best as ducks implies, that doesn't mean we can't strive for improvements. then you pulled us into a tangent by trying to define what "best" means when it was irrelevant to the conversation

I asked you what it means. If you can improve it, are you just wanting to live here more or is there an actual, tangible result other than desire to live here?

[spurraider21]

I asked you what it means. If you can improve it, are you just wanting to live here more or is there an actual, tangible result other than desire to live here?
always improve when possible. i shouldn't need to explain to you why i'd want to improve the place i live.

we're just going down a stupid tangent that i have no intention of continuing

[Adam Lambert]

The term "newsworthy" means it's not a normal occurrence, a concept that must be lost on you, who thinks a normal occurrence is more newsworthy than something no one expected.

Just admit you fucked up.

who the fuck is calling it normal other than you? its more newsworthy if its committed by a trump supporter because trump supports violence against political enemies and guns for everyone.

and why are you arguing anyway? wasnt your argument also that it would be covered more? lol cant even keep up with your own position.

[DMC]

always improve when possible. i shouldn't need to explain to you why i'd want to improve the place i live.

we're just going down a stupid tangent that i have no intention of continuing

Just improve eh?

Can't wait to hire you as a lawyer "your honor, my client is innocent, because he's innocent.. "

[TeyshaBlue]

Seems to me to be of more importance/newsworthy when the shooter identifies with the party that claims to be in favor of more gun restriction tbh.

[Adam Lambert]

Seems to me to be of more importance/newsworthy when the shooter identifies with the party that claims to be in favor more gun restriction tbh.

easier to pull the crazy loner card if hes not acting on implied instruction from his leader. crazy loner = less newsworthy

[spurraider21]

Just improve eh?

Can't wait to hire you as a lawyer "your honor, my client is innocent, because he's innocent.. "
or i could take your approach

me: you could face up to 20, they're offering you 5 years
client: that's great, can we get it down to 3?
me: why improve?

[TeyshaBlue]

easier to pull the crazy loner card if hes not acting on implied instruction from his leader. crazy loner = less newsworthy

I get that....but it's a very micro view for a macro issue.

[DMC]

who the fuck is calling it normal other than you? its more newsworthy if its committed by a trump supporter because trump supports violence against political enemies and guns for everyone.

and why are you arguing anyway? wasnt your argument also that it would be covered more? lol cant even keep up with your own position.

What else does "consistent with rhetoric" mean if not meeting expectations? You plebes use this hyperbole and paint yourselves into epistemological corners. It's ok, just log off/log on to correct it.

[DMC]

or i could take your approach

me: you could face up to 20, they're offering you 5 years
client: that's great, can we get it down to 3?
me: why improve?

Poor analogy because in your example the term "improve" is defined clearly as going from 5 to 3. In your initial use however you did not define what you were improving, only the outcome of liking to live here better. So then a more fitting analogy would be:

You: you could get time in jail
Client: can we get it lower
You: We can try for less time

[Adam Lambert]

What else does "consistent with rhetoric" mean if not meeting expectations? You plebes use this hyperbole and paint yourselves into epistemological corners. It's ok, just log off/log on to correct it.

no I will just refer back to my post where I used the word "more" before "consistent" which adds a level of nuance that you clearly cant follow

its ok, just log in as chucho again and throw around some obscenities, we miss him. hes funnier.

[DMC]

no I will just refer back to my post where I used the word "more" before "consistent" which adds a level of nuance that you clearly cant follow

its ok, just log in as chucho again and throw around some obscenities, we miss him. hes funnier.

So what you meant to say is that it would support CNN's narrative.

Got it. You could have said that originally. That's what I was saying so we agree.

:lol Chucho

[Adam Lambert]

So what you meant to say is that it would support CNN's narrative.

Got it. You could have said that originally. That's what I was saying so we agree.

:lol Chucho

no

[DMC]

no

Whatevs...

[AaronY]

Excellent debate

[Trainwreck2100]

Late to the party, but that gunman was an awful shot

[boutons_deux]

"they've shown" that men who massacred (non political) a bunch of people have high correlation with wife beating and other violence.

Doesn't disqualify them from high velocity AR-15 or any gun.

[DMC]

"they've shown" that men who massacred (non political) a bunch of people have high correlation with wife beating and other violence.

Doesn't did disqualify them from high velocity AR-15 or any gun.

Except massacring people does disqualify them. So should mass shooters not be able to buy guns, or should wife beaters not be able to buy guns, or should violent people not be able to buy guns? You do realize felons cannot legally buy a gun, right?

[Chris]

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19149361_1679989495361864_6176442694094750128_n.jp g?oh=c4954f4738274861f8dfd4ba2d00e2d1&oe=59D9D7B1

[boutons_deux]

Georgia Republican: Arlington baseball shooting is good for Karen Handel

The special election in Georgia’s 6th Congressional District just took a turn for the ugly,

as Republicans are seeking to turn last week’s tragedy at a Virginia ballfield (http://www.salon.com/2017/06/14/gabby-giffords-lawmakers-give-support-to-steve-scalise-after-shooting/) into a get-out-the-vote message:

A GOP candidate getting shot is good news for Republican candidate Karen Handel.

“I think the shooting is going to win this election for us,”

attempts to link Ossoff to both of these unrelated events by arguing that they’re all part of the “unhinged left.”

http://www.salon.com/2017/06/19/georgia-republican-arlington-baseball-shooting-is-good-for-karen-handel/

goddamn, you fucking rightwingnuts are fucking gullible, stupid, ignorant

[boutons_deux]

Why Does the Far Right Hold a Near-Monopoly on Political Violence?

Studies show that most people across the political spectrum abhor it. So what might explain the disparity?


since the end of the Vietnam era, the overwhelming majority of serious political violence—not counting vandalism or punches thrown at protests, but violence with lethal intent—has come from the fringes of the right.

Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project says that “if you go back to the 1960s, you see all kinds of left-wing terrorism, but since then it’s been exceedingly rare.”

She notes that eco- and animal-rights extremists caused extensive property damage in the 1990s, but didn’t target people.

Meanwhile, says Beirich, “right-wing domestic terrorism has been common throughout that period, going back to groups like to The Order, which assassinated [liberal talk-radio host] Alan Berg (http://www.cpr.org/news/story/murder-colorado-radio-man-alan-berg-still-resonates-30-years-later) [in 1984] right through to today.”

Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, told NPR (http://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising) that “when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types,

right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders.”

The actual share is higher still, as violence committed by ultraconservative Islamic supremacists (https://www.thenation.com/article/islamic-terrorism-is-right-wing-terrorism/) isn’t included in tallies of “right-wing extremism.”

the police rate antigovernment extremists as a greater threat than reactionary Islamists.

The authors wrote (https://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013/06/Kurzman_Schanzer_Law_Enforcement_Assessment_of_the _Violent_Extremist_Threat_final.pdf) that “right-wing violence appears consistently greater than violence by Muslim extremists in the United States since 9/11, according to multiple definitions in multiple datasets.”

According to the Department of Homeland Security, “Sovereign Citizens”—fringe antigovernmentalists—launched 24 violent attacks from 2010 through 2014, mostly against law enforcement personnel.

When Robert Dear shot and killed three people at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic in 2015, it became the latest in a series of bloody attacks on abortion providers dating back to Roe v. Wade in 1973. In the 30 years that followed that landmark decision, providers and clinics were targeted in more than 300 acts of violence (http://users.nber.org/~jacobson/JacobsonRoyer6.2.10.pdf), including arson, bombings, and assassinations, according to a study by the Rand Corporation.

conservatives and Republicans are no more likely to say that using force to achieve one’s political goals is justified than are liberals

a clear difference between right and left:

For the past 40 years, Republicans, parroting the gun-rights movement, have actively promoted the idea that firearms are a vital bulwark against government tyranny.

While the Second Amendment was framed to protect government-organized militias at a time when we had a very small standing army,

the right has promoted the idea that it’s “America’s first freedom,” integral to defending our other rights, since the 1960s.

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-does-the-far-right-hold-a-near-monopoly-on-political-violence/

[Chucho]

no I will just refer back to my post where I used the word "more" before "consistent" which adds a level of nuance that you clearly cant follow

its ok, just log in as chucho again and throw around some obscenities, we miss him. hes funnier.

So Fagbert is Reck?

[Chris]

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[Spurtacular]

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So, they groove a pitch, pepper a ball to him and staged a scene. Not what I'd call touching, tbh.