Watergate Fueled Conspiracy Theories, Too

[FuzzyLumpkins]

For all the similarities between President Donald Trump’s Russiagate scandal (or, as I prefer to call it, Onion Dome) and Watergate—the special counsels; the Congressional hearings; the talk of obstruction of justice and secret tapes—there’s one parallel that is getting less attention.

In Watergate as in Onion Dome, defenders of the president plunged deep into conspiracy theory to explain away a growing body of evidence pointing to serious White House wrongdoing. Today, Trump surrogates deny Russian interference in the election and assert that U.S. intelligence agencies—portentously (and inaccurately) called the “Deep State”—are hoping to overturn the election results through leaks and fake news. And though it has largely been forgotten, some Nixon acolytes during and after Watergate pushed a very similar claim: that the CIA, the Pentagon or other entrenched government interests secretly conspired to oust Nixon for their own reasons, even as the news media trumpeted a phony narrative about the president’s guilt. Tracing the history of those Watergate-era claims—their origins as a diversionary cover story, their intrinsic appeal to loyalists who were in denial about the scandal’s gravity, their afterlife among radical skeptics on the ideological fringes of public debate—may help illuminate similar thinking of those determined today to see Onion Dome as a plot by Trump’s enemies to maintain the status quo.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/17/trump-watergate-and-how-conspiracy-theories-get-made-215274

[DarrinS]

Evidence of deep state coup -- leaks, leaks, and more leaks

Evidence of collusion --

[baseline bum]

Evidence of deep state coup -- leaks, leaks, and more leaks

Evidence of collusion --

A bunch of the leaks are coming from our Dear Leader's own people.

[ducks]

A bunch of the leaks are coming from our Dear Leader's own people.

Says u I think they are left over Omaba people

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/19142925_1393814824000724_1175036816182089381_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=113324bee63884def1672baf8c160875&oe=59CEBE35

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee0vTLCm_F0

[baseline bum]

Says u I think they are left over Omaba people

It's probably Priebus since all the leaked shit tries to make Pence look clean.

[spurraider21]

Says u I think they are left over Omaba people
which one of obama's people leaked that trump discussed classified info with russian leaders?

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Nixon went quietly into the night.

Trump has no such intention.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nixon went quietly into the night.

Trump has no such intention.

Nixon knew he would lose the vote in both the house and senate so resigned so he could receive Ford's pardon. Of course the disciple of Roy Cohn would fight a losing battle no matter the cost.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol at Darrin doubling down on it. Have to love the guilty conscience.

At least the dimwits back in the 70s had actual players and a plausible narrative. Darrin basically is wishing as hard as he can and trying to prove it's possible.

Reminds me of the god deluded trying to maintain that their God is possible as opposed to proving his existence.

[Thread]

Nixon knew he would lose the vote in both the house and senate so resigned so he could receive Ford's pardon. Of course the disciple of Roy Cohn would fight a losing battle no matter the cost.

Because Nixon had no where to go, no money, no support beam, no belief.

Trump can go right back to that Tower, to freedom, to wealth beyond imagination, to a blood line who will wedge in there shoulder-to-shoulder as wide as it takes, to a pulpit that no one can stop now and will not stop then. He'll be on that vacated grassy knoll with that "rifle" until there are no more tomorrows.

Sure, that won't be as good as this, but, it'll be right up against it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because Nixon had no where to go, no money, no support beam, no belief.

Trump can go right back to that Tower, to freedom, to wealth beyond imagination, to a blood line who will wedge in there shoulder-to-shoulder as wide as it takes, to a pulpit that no one can stop now and will not stop then. He'll be on that vacated grassy knoll with that "rifle" until there are no more tomorrows.

Sure, that won't be as good as this, but, it'll be right up against it.

That logic is shit.

Someone with nowhere to go and nothing to lose fights until the bitter end.

Someone that has somewhere to go and a whole lot to lose does not.

[boutons_deux]

Nixon knew he would lose the vote in both the house and senate so resigned so he could receive Ford's pardon. Of course the disciple of Roy Cohn would fight a losing battle no matter the cost.

Repug Tricky Dick faced a DEM House and Senate

[DarrinS]

OP not realizing that collusion with Russia is a contrived conspiracy theory.

There's a reason the narrative has switched from collusion to obstruction.

[Adam Lambert]

OP not realizing that collusion with Russia is a contrived conspiracy theory.

There's a reason the narrative has switched from collusion to obstruction.

right the reason we started talking about obstruction was that the president committed obstruction.

youre good at timelines.

[Pavlov]

So Darrin think Mueller not investigating Russia links.

Darrin funny.

[DarrinS]

Just like Watergate, except that Watergate began with a crime.

[Pavlov]

Call off investigation, Darrin know everything everyone did all time.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

OP not realizing that collusion with Russia is a contrived conspiracy theory.

There's a reason the narrative has switched from collusion to obstruction.

You sure like arguing from ignorance and pretending that means you can come to a conclusion of your preferred outcome.

Further, while there is no evidence of collusion from Trump directly that we know of there is evidence that some of his deputies and former deputies did. Flynn got paid. Manafort worked with Russia's allies and behaved with a conflict of interest. Kushner had dealings with Russian state banks. They all lied about it. And on and on.

From the other end, we also know that the Russians were actively trying to recruit Trump and his deputies.

And throughout all of this Trump and his deputies have lied about contact, business relationships, payments, and communications while Trump and co actively obstruct the investigation.

[Adam Lambert]

darrins next post in this thread:

change the subject
or
no next post in this thread
?

[DarrinS]

You sure like arguing from ignorance and pretending that means you can come to a conclusion of your preferred outcome.

Further, while there is no evidence of collusion from Trump directly that we know of there is evidence that some of his deputies and former deputies did. Flynn got paid. Manafort worked with Russia's allies and behaved with a conflict of interest. Kushner had dealings with Russian state banks. They all lied about it. And on and on.

From the other end, we also know that the Russians were actively trying to recruit Trump and his deputies.

And throughout all of this Trump and his deputies have lied about contact, business relationships, payments, and communications while Trump and co actively obstruct the investigation.





The President went on to say that if there were some ‘satellite’ associates of his who did something wrong, it would be good to find that out, but that he hadn’t done anything wrong and hoped I would find a way to get it out that we weren’t investigating him.

[spurraider21]

thats great. the alleged collusion is with the trump campaign. not just donald himself

[DarrinS]

Further, while there is no evidence of collusion from Trump directly that we know of there is evidence that some of his deputies and former deputies did.


You then go on to cite this as evidence of collusion.



Flynn got paid. Manafort worked with Russia's allies and behaved with a conflict of interest. Kushner had dealings with Russian state banks. They all lied about it. And on and on.

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That logic is shit.

Someone with nowhere to go and nothing to lose fights until the bitter end.

Someone that has somewhere to go and a whole lot to lose does not.

That's your opine. I obviously do not share it.

[Quadzilla99]

That's your opine. I obviously do not share it.

We all know your opinion is by just looking to see whatever Trump said about a topic

[Thread]

We all know your opinion is by just looking to see whatever Trump said about a topic

& looking to when you were eliminated from the playoffs.

tee, hee.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You then go on to cite this as evidence of collusion.

So?

You left out the part where he encouraged Comey to drop the investigation on Flynn and then told the Russian ambassador that he sacked Comey to relieve the pressure the Russian investigation was causing.

BTW the Russian Bank VEB that Kushner was establishing a "back channel" with had a high level executive convicted for economic espionage and trying to recruit Carter Page, another Trump deputy.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/russian-spy-evgeny-buryakov-deported-united-states/story?id=46601947

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:rollin Darrin takes what Trump says at face value still

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's your opine. I obviously do not share it.

You also are a Suns and Lakers fan at the same time, Bozo. Cognitive dissonance is strong in you.

[Thread]

You also are a Suns and Lakers fan at the same time, Bozo. Cognitive dissonance is strong in you.

I'm also a Spurs Fan. Big deal.

[Thread]

:rollin Darrin takes what Trump says at face value still

So do I. I can't speak for Darrin, but, I'll never leave his side. EVER.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So do I. I can't speak for Darrin, but, I'll never leave his side. EVER.

Yeah but you're just clowning trying to stir the pot. Darrin is in earnest.

[Thread]

Yeah but you're just clowning trying to stir the pot. Darrin is in earnest.

I won't defend my allegiance to Trump.

It's my religion.

[DarrinS]

I won't defend my allegiance to Trump.

It's my religion.


I actually don't give one crap about Trump. I cringe whenever he speaks.

I just think the collusion conspiracy is bogus.

[DarrinS]

Collusion delusion

[Chris]

Collusion delusion

Collusion for a non existent scenario. :tu

[Kim Jong-il]

I actually don't give one crap about Trump. I cringe whenever he speaks.

I just think the collusion conspiracy is bogus.
:lmao semen shields for Trump more than anyone else here, but claims he doesn't give a crap about him.

[Thread]

Collusion delusion

[Adam Lambert]

I actually don't give one crap about Trump. I cringe whenever he speaks.


or you use his claims as fact like you have several times with that stupid fucking satellite associates quote

[Th'Pusher]

:lmao semen shields for Trump more than anyone else here...
TSA may have something to say about that, tbh.

[Pelicans78]

Nixon had no choice but to resign because there were tapes of his conversations admitting to the cover up. If no such tapes exist with Trump, he ain't going anywhere.

[Thread]

Nixon had no choice but to resign because there were tapes of his conversations admitting to the cover up. If no such tapes exist with Trump, he ain't going anywhere.

Hallelujah!!!

[DarrinS]

Maybe one of you tinfoilers can offer a theory about how this collusion went down?

[Thread]

Collusion for a non existent scenario. :tu

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I actually don't give one crap about Trump. I cringe whenever he speaks.

I just think the collusion conspiracy is bogus.

And yet you defend him reflexively in all that he does.

[DarrinS]

And yet you defend him reflexively in all that he does.

Link?

[DarrinS]

Maybe one of you tinfoilers can offer a theory about how this collusion went down?

[spurraider21]

Link?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=127007

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe one of you tinfoilers can offer a theory about how this collusion went down?

The quid:

Flynn got paid and lied about it.


Flynn was paid about $33,000 by Russia's state-owned news agency, Russia Today, for a speech he gave in Moscow in 2015, but he did not disclose the payment on his security clearance application in January 2016, according to the House oversight committee.

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-flynn-russia-payments-investigation-2017-4

The Trumps have admitted to large amounts of assets and loans from Russia.


The question came up again early last month after the golf writer James Dodson told WBUR that Trump's son Eric bragged in 2014 that the Trump family had secured access to $100 million from Russian lenders to fund their golf courses.

"He just sort of tossed off that he had access to $100 million," Dodson said. "I said, 'Eric, who's funding? I know no banks — because of the recession, the Great Recession — have touched a golf course. You know, no one's funding any kind of golf construction. It's dead in the water the last four or five years.'

"He said, 'Well, we don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.' I said, 'Really?' And he said, 'Oh, yeah. We've got some guys that really, really love golf, and they're really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time.'"

Eric has denied the story, which he called "completely fabricated." But it's not the first time one of Trump's sons has boasted of ties to Russia. In 2008, Donald Trump Jr. said the Trump Organization saw "a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

"Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," he said at the time.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-probe-follow-the-money-mueller-2017-6

Kushner was ws talking with the Russian Bank/Espionage Front VEB:


But a meeting in December between Kushner and Sergey Gorkov, the CEO of sanctioned Russian bank Vnesheconombank, is reportedly being scrutinized by Mueller's team as part of its investigation.

Gorkov was appointed by Putin in January 2016 on the recommendation of Herman Gref, a Putin ally and the CEO of Russia's largest bank whom Trump met, along with at least 10 other Russian businessmen and oligarchs, while he was in Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant in November 2013.

"The Russian market is attracted to me," Trump said shortly after the meeting. "Almost all of the oligarchs were in the room."

He also tweeted: "TRUMP TOWER-MOSCOW is next."

Reuters reported last month that the FBI was examining whether Russians suggested during Kushner's meeting with Gorkov at Trump Tower the lifting or relaxing of economic sanctions in exchange for Russian banks financing business ventures of Trump's associates and family.

Kushner at the time was trying to find investors for a Fifth Avenue office building in Manhattan, though White House spokeswoman Hope Hicks denied in March when news broke of the meeting that they had discussed the construction project.

Shortly thereafter, however, the bank told Reuters that Gorkov had met with Kushner in his capacity as "the head of Kushner companies" — not as a transition official, as the White House had claimed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-probe-follow-the-money-mueller-2017-6

Manafort worked for Yanukovich.


“Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse,” the AP reports.

Manafort confirmed he’d worked for the oligarch, who allegedly paid him some $10 million annually

.........

The AP report is also in line with what was previously known about Manafort. The longtime Republican fixer worked as a consigliere to now-deposed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, a Kremlin client. In August 2016, The New York Times reported on a dossier of documents about Manafort emerging from Ukraine, including allegations that Manafort received almost $13 million in off-book cash payments. He was also part of a strange deal involving an investment fund he created backed by Deripaska to purchase a telecom company. But that deal apparently went south, and Manafort in 2014 sued in the Cayman Islands to recover some assets from Deripaska.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/can-trump-distance-himself-from-paul-manafort/520359/

And there has been pro quo like:


One strange episode that occurred in Cleveland was the writing of the GOP’s platform on Ukraine. The Republican Party has historically taken a hard line on Russia, and been critical of Russian expansionism around its borders. That included pushing back on Russia’s annexation of the Ukrainian region of Crimea after Yanukovych’s overthrow, a seizure that almost the entire international community views as unlawful. Some members of the platform committee wanted to insert a pledge to send defensive weapons to Ukrainians facing Russian incursion. But others steamrolled them, making sure the plank was not included.

And Trump fellating Putin and shitting on NATO every chance he gets.

And Mueller is following the money for his investigation as well you can tell by who he is hiring:


Robert Mueller in recent days has hired lawyers with extensive experience in dealing with fraud, racketeering, and other financial crimes to help him investigate whether President Donald Trump's associates colluded with Russia to meddle in the 2016 presidential election.

Mueller, who was appointed as special counsel last month to lead the probe into Russia's election interference, is also homing in on money laundering and the business dealings of Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, according to reports in The New York Times and The Washington Post.

The developments indicate Mueller is taking a follow-the-money approach to the investigation that could leave Trump's sprawling business empire hugely vulnerable.

Mueller has hired Lisa Page and Andrew Weissmann. Page is a trial attorney in the Justice Department's organized-crime section whose cases centered on international organized crime and money laundering, and Weissmann is a seasoned prosecutor who oversaw cases against high-ranking organized criminals on Wall Street in the early 1990s and, later, against 30 people implicated in the Enron fraud scandal.

Mueller has also recruited James Quarles, who specialized in campaign-finance research for the Watergate task force, according to Wired; Michael Dreeben, considered by some to be "the best criminal appellate lawyer in America"; and Aaron Zebley, a former senior counselor in the DOJ's National Security Division specializing in cybersecurity.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-probe-follow-the-money-mueller-2017-6

These are all known facts and not conspiracies. They were paid by Russians and Russian interests and the lied about it.

The tin foil bullshit is you and your wishcasting that there is a "deep state" organization out to get Trump that has no legs at all.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Link?

It's in this thread and every other Trump thread. If someone else is incredulous then fine but I am not here to change your mind or convince you. I'm here to point out how you are the same old lying sophist piece of shit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

More pro quo:

Trump is seeking to undermine the sanctions bill that was written bipartisan to punish Russia for it's election meddling.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/17/trump-white-house-russia-sanctions-deal-239636

[DarrinS]

It's in this thread and every other Trump thread. If someone else is incredulous then fine but I am not here to change your mind or convince you. I'm here to point out how you are the same old lying sophist piece of shit.


I'm not defending the guy. Most of the trouble he's in is self-inflicted.

Still think the collusion conspiracy is bogus. That's just my opinion.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not defending the guy. Most of the trouble he's in is self-inflicted.

Still think the collusion conspiracy is bogus. That's just my opinion.

That Flynn, Manafort, and Kushner got money from the Russian state and lied about it is not a conspiracy theory. It's verifiable fact.

But the deep state organization out to get Trump that you have nary any evidence to validate is valid. Got it. :rolleyes

[boutons_deux]

to repeat, Trash's campaign amateurs were too stupid to actively collude, but they welcomed the news from the Russians that the Russians were screwing up Hillary for Trash.

Trash was certainly told.

Rather than inform the authorities like "good Americans", Trash and his assholes passively colluded.

Russians wanted to make sure that the Trash knew what the Russians were doing because the Russians expected repayment, like lifting sanctions, esp allowing that Rexxon's $500B oil/gas deal with Pootin.

Even without the $500B deal, Russians still won, seeing hilariously easy, and cheap, it was to fuck with America, and get Pootin's compromised sick, incompetent, distracting criminal elected President, and make USA the laughing stock of the planet.

[DarrinS]

to repeat, Trash's campaign amateurs were too stupid to actively collude, but they welcomed the news from the Russians that the Russians were screwing up Hillary for Trash.

Trash was certainly told.

Rather than inform the authorities like "good Americans", Trash and his assholes passively colluded.



passive collusion

[boutons_deux]

More pro quo:

Trump is seeking to undermine the sanctions bill that was written bipartisan to punish Russia for it's election meddling.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/17/trump-white-house-russia-sanctions-deal-239636

$500B Rexxon oil/gas deal is the prize

and then if Trash/Rexxon can stir up shit in the M/E, pushing the price of oil up many $10s and enriching Pootin, Pootin will destroy the 2020 election to keep Repugs in, and Repugs will know he's doing it.

[boutons_deux]

"... my Republican colleagues who said no to the administration and did the right thing for the country to keep a foreign power out of our elections.”

:lol Too late, asshole :lol and Repugs are ecstatic to have Pootin's BFF Trash rubber-stamping every Repug bill into law.

[TSA]

But the deep state organization out to get Trump that you have nary any evidence to validate is valid. Got it. :rolleyes

After previously being shot down by the FISA court for requesting a warrant to run surveillance on Trump team, the deep state used an unverifiable piss dossier, paid for by the DNC, to obtain a FISA warrant to run surveillance on Trump team. After obtaining the warrant names of US citizens on Trumps team were unmasked and the intel was illegally disseminated throughout the Obama WH and Clinton team to feed to the media.
It's verifiable fact.

[Pavlov]

After previously being shot down by the FISA court for requesting a warrant to run surveillance on Trump team, the deep state used an unverifiable piss dossier, paid for by the DNC, to obtain a FISA warrant to run surveillance on Trump team. After obtaining the warrant names of US citizens on Trumps team were unmasked and the intel was illegally disseminated throughout the Obama WH and Clinton team to feed to the media.
It's verifiable fact.Would like to see verification of everything you said. Please to providing links.

[TSA]

Would like to see verification of everything you said. Please to providing links.

It's in this thread and every other Trump thread. If someone else is incredulous then fine but I am not here to change your mind or convince you. I'm here to point out how you are the same old lying sophist piece of shit.

[Pavlov]

It's in this thread and every other Trump thread. If someone else is incredulous then fine but I am not here to change your mind or convince you. I'm here to point out how you are the same old lying sophist piece of shit.But you not here to verify claims.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Would like to see verification of everything you said. Please to providing links.

I want to know who exactly the deep state is. The FBI applied for the FISA warrants so is Comey the deep state?

[Pavlov]

Is there canceled DNC check for peepee file?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol fuck yeah he thinks I'm Pavlov.

Good work, sir.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is there canceled DNC check for peepee file?

The article I read said he was funded by PACs first anti-Trump GOP and then Dem.

I'm interested in the proof that Steele fabricated the claims. I get that Trump denies it but since when is he trustworthy?

[TSA]

:lol fuck yeah he thinks I'm Pavlov.

Good work, sir.

:lol not a chance. You aren't dumb enough to stick with the failed Pavlov schtick

[Pavlov]

TSA will complain about shtick but not verify claims.

[Kim Jong-il]

:lol fuck yeah he thinks I'm Pavlov.

Good work, sir.
Hold on, I thought that I was Pavlov?

[Pavlov]

It's in this thread and every other Trump thread. If someone else is incredulous then fine but I am not here to change your mind or convince you. I'm here to point out how you are the same old lying sophist piece of shit.
I just evaluated the evidence you presented as not meeting a burden of proof I find sufficient to accept your conclusions.

Convince me:down:

[TSA]

:down:


If someone else is incredulous then fine but I am not here to change your mind or convince you.
:down:

[Pavlov]

:down:You demand be convinced but run when tables turn.

I am convinced you just lie then. :down:

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hold on, I thought that I was Pavlov?

:lol