Sources: Paul George tells Pacers he plans to leave franchise, prefers joining Lakers

[ducks]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-paul-george-tells-pacers-plans-leave-franchise-prefers-joining-lakers-191520531.html

[spursistan]

Already being discussed in the Official off season thread and DPG opened a thread downstairs, but you just can't resist the attention-whoring, no?
Deuce just merge or cancel this shit..

[illusioNtEk]

Isn't this like last week's news ?

[GSH]

Isn't this like last week's news ?

Not of this "source" is right. There have been a lot of rumors, but this says that George has told Pacers' management straight up that he plans to leave. Says he will play out this season in Indy, but if you're the Pacers that means you've got to try and get something for trading him now. And if he really said that he specifically wants to go to the Lakers, that makes him more difficult to trade anywhere else. That's a piss poor thing to do to teammates, if nothing else. I don't know about the other threads, but this is brand new news I think.

Another thought - why isn't it tampering for a player to do something like this? A team can't send a message to a player that way. Seems like a player shouldn't be able to send a message to a team.

[Mikeanaro]

And Nba.com says he commited to be a Pacer, I thought that was crazy, I´d rather be with the Lakers than the Pacers.

[ducks]

Isn't this like last week's news ?

Was posted new today 1 hour 50 minutes before I posted

[raybies]

Spurs talk thinking right now,"I'd trade Fathead, Forbes, and our second this year. We can start Murray...." lol

[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

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They could actually offer a pretty good deal imo and shed salary.

[buttsR4rebounding]

So do you think Indiana can get a1st round pick for him?

[picnroll]

Cleveland pick would have to be pretty far out to have any value. Paul, Irving, Lebron and fillers would be pretty competitive with GS. Might increase very slightly Spurs chances of getting CP3 if he ever wants to whiff a chance at a ring.

[BatManu20]

PG to the Cavs confirmed.

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[Spurtacular]

I love the PG did a commercial with him throwing up a game winning shot and turning and walking away before it goes in. Given that he's like zero for seventeen in those scenarios in real NBA games :lmao

[DAF86]

Spurs should get into the mix. Offer Aldridge and whatdver else is needed to get the attention of the Pacers. Goerge's is good budies with Kawhi too, that could also help.

[baseline bum]

Spurs should get into the mix. Offer Aldridge and whatdver else is needed to get the attention of the Pacers. Goerge's is good budies with Kawhi too, that could also help.

Yeah I'd talk to George and gauge interest, and if there is any I'd immediately offer Aldridge.

[benefactor]

OP is a faggot

[DeRozan m8]

Worst kept secret in the NBA tbh

[SAGirl]

Spurs should get into the mix. Offer Aldridge and whatdver else is needed to get the attention of the Pacers. Goerge's is good budies with Kawhi too, that could also help.
:toast

[SURGE]

SPURS should trade Aldridge and Parker for PG n sign CP3

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Hope the Spurs are doing something about anything...

[Strategic]

He can't beat em, they won't let him join them. Might as well go for the party life then.

[cd98]

The answer is obvious. Trade for PG. Sign George Hill. And start all three with Bertans when we play the Pacers.

[DAF86]

Paul George would be a bigger get than Chris Paul, tbh.

[tholdren]

Send em lma and pau

[Spursfanfromafar]

Aldridge would be coveted by Nate McMillan but the Spurs would be left with no useful big man.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Aldridge would be coveted by Nate McMillan but the Spurs would be left with no useful big man.

Some will argue that the Spurs had no useful big men with LMA and Pau on the roster.

[CGD]

The answer is obvious. Trade for PG. Sign George Hill. And start all three with Bertans when we play the Pacers.

And sign Lorbek to a 10 day deal just for that game to round out the starting 5.

[mo7888]

We should definitely put forth an offer here. I'd start with pau plus this year's 1st and Kyle.

[CGD]

We should definitely put forth an offer here. I'd start with pau plus this year's 1st and Kyle.

Why not.

The two only places that could have a shot at convincing him to eschew the Lakers next year are Cleveland and to a lesser extent the Spurs.

[tholdren]

Aldridge would be coveted by Nate McMillan but the Spurs would be left with no useful big man.

Do not need a big

[picnroll]

Pacers lose Paul and there in full on tank mode. Only thing they'll want for Paul is picks and young players. They have zero interest in Pau or Aldridge.

[Ron Swanson]

Some of you are absolutely delusional if you think the Pacers would trade George for LMA or Gasol. Throwing in our low 1st rd pick and Anderson won't do shit, either.

[tholdren]

Some of you are absolutely delusional if you think the Pacers would trade George for LMA or Gasol. Throwing in our low 1st rd pick and Anderson won't do shit, either.

Why lma and pau are starters!!!

[Ice009]

Spurs should get into the mix. Offer Aldridge and whatdver else is needed to get the attention of the Pacers. Goerge's is good budies with Kawhi too, that could also help.

Interesting. I didn't know they were friends?

[BatManu20]

Make the call, RC.


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[raybies]

Paul Leonard George Bertans Lorbek

i call it flipping the Bird...

[nyspurguy]

Some of you are absolutely delusional if you think the Pacers would trade George for LMA or Gasol. Throwing in our low 1st rd pick and Anderson won't do shit, either.
Maybe if their in "full tank mode" they'd take Gasol or/and Aldridge. With Anderson the Pacers get a promising young prospect that could slide into PG-13's position.
I hear the Pacers are in talks with the Cavs. I guess Cleveland could offer a better trade than Aldridge and/or Gasol, Anderson and our 1st rnd. I'd be willing to swap Danny Green for Pau or LMA, if they'd like. Pacers would probably prefer K.Love than either Aldridge or Gasol tho. Assuming they'd probably want a high draft pick or two, Boston would be the only contender with decent picks. Not that they have to really trade him to a contender. Heck, if I'm the Pacers I'd be looking at some of those lottery teams for young players and high picks. But the Spurs should definitely give them a holla.... they've done business before.

[houston spurs fan]

Wow, what a big FU to the Pacers. Not becuase you want to leave to go to LA, that's fine. But you take away any legitimate return for Indiana. Lakers say we're not competitive next year so we'll wait. Other teams looking for a one year rental say we cannot beat GSW anyways so we'll pass. Not mad that he wants to leave but he crippled the Pacers and have screwed them for the next 5-7 years. See Dwight Howard Orlando....

[DAF86]

Make the call, RC.


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Add a first round pick and that's probably one of the best offers the Pacers would get, tbh. Although I would rather trade Aldridge straight up for George.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Don't want to lose Danny Green, would much rather dump Aldridge.

[nyspurguy]

We should have a good chance at getting him. I'm thinking K.Love or Aldridge would be the only all star caliber players they could fetch for a 1 year rental. Doubt if Boston would wanna give up assets for him. I'm sure other teams are aware that the only 2 teams he would possibly sign with would be the Spurs or Cavs, and that's​probably only if he wins a chip with the team. The only 2 teams who could give Indiana a all-star caliber player and still contend for a title(basically beat the Warriors) are the Spurs and Cavs.

[99 Problems]

PG is a hard man to shut down, arguably harder than KD for us. He'd be amazing here with WhaWhi. And while on the topic I'd take the big man Turner as well from the Pacers if they want gut the roster.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Stop this. He will not come back to the Spurs after the Spurs traded him once. Made a mistake.

[Mal]

Don't want to lose Danny Green, would much rather dump Aldridge.

He would be redundant if PG comes.

[GSH]

Do not need a big


Well, then... LMA would be perfect, wouldn't he?

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[rasuo214]

Clippers could be a dark horse team. In LA and Jerry West could potentially get creative enough to find a deal that works. Obviously wouldn't mind the Spurs getting him. Even though most of us are tired of LMA, he would probably be a decent 3rd option so I'd prefer not to deal him at his lowest value but I also wouldn't hesitate in dealing him for PG. See if Danny, Pau and 1st is enough or maybe sign and trade Simmons.

Then go for the cherry on top with CP3. CP3, Kawhi, PG and LMA. Convince Dedmon or another athletic big that he can become DeAndre with CP3 tossing him lobs and that's a competitive SL to the Warriors.

[nyspurguy]

Clippers could be a dark horse team. In LA and Jerry West could potentially get creative enough to find a deal that works. Obviously wouldn't mind the Spurs getting him. Even though most of us are tired of LMA, he would probably be a decent 3rd option so I'd prefer not to deal him at his lowest value but I also wouldn't hesitate in dealing him for PG. See if Danny, Pau and 1st is enough or maybe sign and trade Simmons.

Then go for the cherry on top with CP3. CP3, Kawhi, PG and LMA. Convince Dedmon or another athletic big that he can become DeAndre with CP3 tossing him lobs and that's a competitive SL to the Warriors.

Heck, if we can get PG for Pau, Green and a 1st, we may not even need CP3. Especially with the further gutting of the team weed have to do. I say throw the kid in there at the "point" and hang on till January/February when TP's back. We could pick up a solid free agent point guard for a lil' experience tho...heck, get Deron Williams from the Cavs. Even D-ROSE would be at least $12 mill or so cheaper than CP3. But I sure would love to see PG-13 in black n silver... come on RC, work them phones...

[Horse]

If George was smart he's come to the Spurs and team with a younger non-douche LeBron in Kahwi they'd be a bigger better SF version on the splash brothers and incredible on D.

[Chinook]

Don't want to lose Danny Green,.

No STer worth a shit does, tbh.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He would be redundant if PG comes.

Fair point actually but is losing Danny green worth a one year at the most Paul George rental?

[nyspurguy]

Yeah, it would be better for George. But he doesn't have a trade clause so the Pacers are probably looking for the best deal. They'd probably prefer K-Love over anything we'd offer for a 1 year rental.

[SAGirl]

No STer worth a shit does, tbh.
Too much of throwing in guys in trades just bc.... just bc guys don't like a guy. Tough to tell who is a troll in disguise who's really a fan of another team. I don't think Danny is untradeable, specially if the star coming in is a star wing, but in that trade the proposal is LMA for PG and it doesn't need any additional players included. The guy with the idea is essentially trading Danny and Kyle for Al freaking Jefferson. Maybe that dude deserves that deal to really suck

And I don't mind trading Kyle but he's thrown around in every deal like he has no value. Guy is 23, played well in the postseason, is training with Kahwi and Murray in the summer.... it's not that he's not tradeable but he's not going to be a gift or thrown in a trade just bc "let's get rid of him. Can't take guys at face value here. They would be worse than Larry Bird, the GM.

[Emperor]

So if George gets traded and resigns with that team next summer, how much more can he make as opposed to signing with another team for example, the Lakers?

[sasaint]

He would be redundant if PG comes.

Not redundant - a nice luxury. A three wing rotation of Kawhi/PG/Danny would be terrific defensively. Plus Danny pairs with Kawhi and PG equally well on offense. Heck, throw in JSimms as a fourth wing in the rotation and we are super-set. An opponent might beat us in the backcourt or in the post, but not on the wings.

[sasaint]

Too much of throwing in guys in trades just bc.... just bc guys don't like a guy. Tough to tell who is a troll in disguise who's really a fan of another team. I don't think Danny is untradeable, specially if the star coming in is a star wing, but in that trade the proposal is LMA for PG and it doesn't need any additional players included. The guy with the idea is essentially trading Danny and Kyle for Al freaking Jefferson. Maybe that dude deserves that deal to really suck

And I don't mind trading Kyle but he's thrown around in every deal like he has no value. Guy is 23, played well in the postseason, is training with Kahwi and Murray in the summer.... it's not that he's not tradeable but he's not going to be a gift or thrown in a trade just bc "let's get rid of him. Can't take guys at face value here. They would be worse than Larry Bird, the GM.

I think this is the season Pop will start Kyle at PF and see if he establishes himself as a keeper at a stable position. I hope that Kyle is building some lower body strength and shooting threes all summer.

[DAF86]

CP3, Green, Kawhi, PG13, Bertans (against Warriors death lineup) :lobt2:

[Mal]

Fair point actually but is losing Danny green worth a one year at the most Paul George rental?

I won't be so sure about that one year rental. He prefers Lakers, but he could sign anywhere. It's one year, bird rigths and full year of persuading

[dabom]

I thought it was funny. :lol

[GSH]

Got thread deleted, and came straight here to revive it.



I thought it was funny. :lol

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[DPG21920]

How embarrassing lol just a complete goofball

[dabom]

Internet psychiatrists. :lmao

[TD 21]

Why even waste time conjuring up George to Spurs scenarios? None are plausible and even if one were, he's still youngish, with a big ego and would never settle for being Pippen to Leonard's Jordan.

There's also no plausible George to Clippers scenario and I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up with either Lakers or Cavaliers.

Speaking of which, Lakers shouldn't risk Cavaliers getting him. He might be dead set on former, but give him a year in a championship environment, around the best player on the planet, with a team that can also offer extra year/money and that could change. Lakers will eventually have to pick and choose which young players to pay anyway.

[DPG21920]

Why even waste time conjuring up George to Spurs scenarios? None are plausible and even if one were, he's still youngish, with a big ego and would never settle for being Pippen to Leonard's Jordan.

There's also no plausible George to Clippers scenario and I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up with either Lakers or Cavaliers.

Speaking of which, Lakers shouldn't risk Cavaliers getting him. He might be dead set on former, but give him a year in a championship environment, around the best player on the planet, with a team that can also offer extra year/money and that could change. Lakers will eventually have to pick and choose which young players to pay anyway.

I really hope LA gambles like that. Not because I don't want them to have PG, but because I want them to have to use cap space vs having his Bird Rights.

PG on a team like LA does no damage especially if they use cap space to sign him.

[baseline bum]

Why even waste time conjuring up George to Spurs scenarios? None are plausible and even if one were, he's still youngish, with a big ego and would never settle for being Pippen to Leonard's Jordan.

There's also no plausible George to Clippers scenario and I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up with either Lakers or Cavaliers.

Speaking of which, Lakers shouldn't risk Cavaliers getting him. He might be dead set on former, but give him a year in a championship environment, around the best player on the planet, with a team that can also offer extra year/money and that could change. Lakers will eventually have to pick and choose which young players to pay anyway.

Aldridge for George would be doable, at least if Bird was still there. The Clippers could trade Griffin or Jordan for George. Either one is more than they'll get from anyone else unless Magic is willing to give them pick #2.

[tonight...you]

I think this is the season Pop will start Kyle at PF and see if he establishes himself as a keeper at a stable position. I hope that Kyle is building some lower body strength and shooting threes all summer.
Hmmm... despite LMA's insistent preference for said position? Not that I disagree, but definitely something to look for. I (I know I could get some flame for this) actually liked him taking over for Danny, this last season. He put up some great D and did things that just worked for the team, despite his continuous (at the time) reluctance to shoot.

Here's my crazy take for next season, barring trades and acquisitions on the whole, Kyle starts at PG to start the season. Murray splits time with him as he also moves to other positions as he's an utility knife, on the court. Not the sharpest knife, but one that can cut.

[sasaint]

Hmmm... despite LMA's insistent preference for said position? Not that I disagree, but definitely something to look for. I (I know I could get some flame for this) actually liked him taking over for Danny, this last season. He put up some great D and did things that just worked for the team, despite his continuous (at the time) reluctance to shoot.

Here's my crazy take for next season, barring trades and acquisitions on the whole, Kyle starts at PG to start the season. Murray splits time with him as he also moves to other positions as he's an utility knife, on the court. Not the sharpest knife, but one that can cut.

That sounds like a shot clock killer to me. I don't really like the idea of Kyle bringing the ball up the floor. Teams will apply pressure which will slow down the game. Kyle is not capable of blowing by pressure - assuming he can even handle it on an every-play-basis. Kyle will have to bring the ball up very deliberately or involve another player such as Murray or (more likely) Kawhi. All of that just reduces the shot clock. I just don't see Kyle as a PG. I think he will have to develop lower body strength and a a corner three. Then he could become a fine PF.

LMA has been playing plenty at the 5 btw.

[TD 21]

Aldridge for George would be doable, at least if Bird was still there. The Clippers could trade Griffin or Jordan for George. Either one is more than they'll get from anyone else unless Magic is willing to give them pick #2.

Even Bird more than likely wouldn't do that. He tried (and failed) to modernize the roster last off season. Going back to pairing two traditional bigs together would fly in the face of that. Besides, Aldridge would inevitably be unhappy, probably wouldn't fetch much at the deadline and would just opt out and walk in a year.

Then there's George and Spurs perspective and like I said, he wouldn't be interested, so he'd just walk in a year and they couldn't even get much at the deadline because everyone knows he's Lakers bound.

Griffin would have to be a sign-and-trade and he wouldn't go to Pacers. Jordan, see Aldridge.

No chance Lakers give up the 2nd pick, nor should they have to. They've already said Ingram is untouchable, but that still leaves them with Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac and 28.

[baseline bum]

No chance Lakers give up the 2nd pick, nor should they have to. They've already said Ingram is untouchable, but that still leaves them with Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac and 28.

That's a bunch of garbage. Indy would be better off losing George for nothing than for crap young players. If the Pacers trade George to LA for any less than

[1] pick #2 and a scrub expiring contract (Nick Young or Tarik Black for example, so LA could absorb George's contract with capspace) or
[2] Ingram + 2019 first

then they're retarded. They could probably get something better than the Lakers failed young guys trading him even as a rental.

[TD 21]

That's a bunch of garbage. Indy would be better off losing George for nothing than for crap young players. If the Pacers trade George to LA for any less than

[1] pick #2 and a scrub expiring contract (Nick Young or Tarik Black for example, so LA could absorb George's contract with capspace) or
[2] Ingram + 2019 first

then they're retarded. They could probably get something better than the Lakers failed young guys trading him even as a rental.

No, they wouldn't. I don't think any of these Lakers young players are future stars either, but it's too early to write them off entirely (this is the only sport where players are constantly deemed busts 5 minutes into their careers) and being a lottery team for a bunch of years, odds are Pacers would end up with similar caliber prospects anyway. Also, historically they've never been open to a re-build, so getting immediate contributors is likely a priority.

[tonight...you]

That sounds like a shot clock killer to me. I don't really like the idea of Kyle bringing the ball up the floor. Teams will apply pressure which will slow down the game. Kyle is not capable of blowing by pressure - assuming he can even handle it on an every-play-basis. Kyle will have to bring the ball up very deliberately or involve another player such as Murray or (more likely) Kawhi. All of that just reduces the shot clock. I just don't see Kyle as a PG. I think he will have to develop lower body strength and a a corner three. Then he could become a fine PF.

LMA has been playing plenty at the 5 btw.
No argument. You're probably right. I said it was crazy...

[DPG21920]

No argument. You're probably right. I said it was crazy...

Kyle is fantastic as a secondary creator. Someone you can swing the ball to and he's more than capable of breaking people down off the dribble and then creating/scoring.

But ya, as a primary handler or initiator of offense? Nope.

[tonight...you]

Kyle is fantastic as a secondary creator. Someone you can swing the ball to and he's more than capable of breaking people down off the dribble and then creating/scoring.

But ya, as a primary handler or initiator of offense? Nope.
Yeah... like I said: crazy. No worries. I think stupid things from time to time. Sometimes all of the time.
I really did like him at SG last year though. When he was filling in for Verde.

[SAGirl]

Yeah... like I said: crazy. No worries. I think stupid things from time to time. Sometimes all of the time.
I really did like him at SG last year though. When he was filling in for Verde.

At any rate he played solid ball at different spots most of the season, specially later in the season after he got chemistry with others. I liked his pairing with Bertans. I liked him with Dijon too. I liked him as a 4 like he did at times in the postseason but Pop has played Bertans almost exclusively there while Kyle has played as a wing a lot.

In reality he had a very solid postseason, improved upon his last one. He should have gained confidence. There are many ways to incorporate his playmaking and passing (specially should Pau need to be traded out to make space) from the other spots he played. He compliments many players and lineups at this point bc he's adapted to playing off the ball, something he wasn't very good at earlier, setting screens, cutting and if you need him to make something happen off the dribble he can. He started shooting more towards the end of the season and his shot has improved. Hopefully he keeps that upward trend.

Look at the variety of ways he scored... both off the dribble and a lot more off the ball than his prior seasons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SFtHgVLgVQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLngbjVLWRk

Here's Davis, notice the number of shots Kyle assisted him on too. (Davis has such a beautiful shot!) Simmons sand Manu found him too. That's a nice bench. If Spurs can't retain Simmons imagine Dijon there or Hanga?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUq6-8F2zrc&t=95s

I think both guys play together well but depending on what Spurs do one may start... though I tend to think Pop gets a traditional center to start and then mixes them up more.

Without knowing the rest of the roster impossible to say how Pop will play them. How did Pop not play Bertans more in the postseason? His natural tendencies to not rely in rookies. I don't expect that again.

[$pursDynasty]

Kyle is fantastic as a secondary creator. Someone you can swing the ball to and he's more than capable of breaking people down off the dribble and then creating/scoring.

But ya, as a primary handler or initiator of offense? Nope.
Why couldn't KA be our version of Sean Livingston similar range, Livingston is a bit more aggressive at times but I am not sure there is anything Livingston does that Kyle can't do per se.

[LkrFan]

PG to the Cavs confirmed.

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:lol

[$pursDynasty]

Bleacher report was running scenarios of how much help PG would be to different contenders, they had him on the Spurs in exchange for LMA and it projected the win total for the Spurs at like 77 wins. Whatever stat matrix they use sees LMA as a net negative and PG13 being a huge plus to the lineup. They talk about the Verde, PG13 KingSlayer lineups versatility especially if Murray progresses and JSimms stays and progresses as well. Personally I would rather keep LMA and jettison Pau for PG13 but it makes you think.

[dabom]

77 wins. :lol

It doesn't work like that. :lol

[$pursDynasty]

77 wins. :lol

It doesn't work like that. :lol
of course not but that is how bad of a minus their statistical model views LMA. Now LMA disappointed in the playoffs but I don't see him as that kind of an albatross. I still think he would flourish as the teams 3rd scoring option, where he wouldn't be relied on constantly and wouldn't face too much pressure.

[BatManu20]

Pacers want to move him before the draft obv.

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[Snaq O'Meal]

77 wins. :lol

It doesn't work like that. :lol

Poop will make sure that the team will never achieve those lofty win totals so that he can keep flying under the radar.

[GSH]

Look at the variety of ways he scored... both off the dribble and a lot more off the ball than his prior seasons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SFtHgVLgVQ


Here's Davis, notice the number of shots Kyle assisted him on too..


LMAO... and in the middle of a thread about Paul George... it's the Kyle Anderson Showcase. :lol