Boca!

[lefty]

DieGOAT's team :worthy:

:lol DAF86 Canyonero

[DAF86]

Congrats to the only Pepper Juniors fan in here: my nigga diego, tbh.

[lefty]

Congrats to the only Pepper Juniors fan in here: my nigga diego, tbh.
Hey fuck you

And congrats diego

[ElNono]

:td

[dunkman]

Boca got close to River that has 36 vs 32 titles.

[Canyonero]

^35 vs 26. No one gives a shit about the amateur era except Boca and Racing.

[DAF86]

Boca got close to River that has 36 vs 32 titles.

lol son, no. :lol

[140]

Congrats tbh

Most feared team in argentina tbh

[Canyonero]

Congrats tbh

Most feared team in argentina tbh

I'd be afraid too if I was at risk of being peppered tbh

[dfens]

Congrats tbh

Most feared team in argentina tbh

what's their actual level? could they qualify in/from UCL groups? could they reach a semi final?

[dunkman]

what's their actual level? could they qualify in/from UCL groups? could they reach a semi final?

Libertadores champions won the club world cup several times, it's not unreasonable to assume that the best teams could do it.

[dfens]

Libertadores champions won the club world cup several times, it's not unreasonable to assume that the best teams could do it.

sorry but UCL winners treat club world cup worse than germany is treating the confederations cup. Also it's basically one match as the winners of other continents are :lol

[Canyonero]

Libertadores champions won the club world cup several times, it's not unreasonable to assume that the best teams could do it.

He said actual level.

[140]

what's their actual level? could they qualify in/from UCL groups? could they reach a semi final?
Don't know how they're doing this year, just talking more in historical terms tbh

But yeah I'm pretty sure the best teams in SA could qualify in UCL...on the other hand a lot of european clubs would probably be close to shitting their pants playing in a Libertadores environment tbh :lol

[DAF86]

Libertadores champions won the club world cup several times, it's not unreasonable to assume that the best teams could do it.

They haven't won a Libertadores in more than a decade. :lol

[dfens]

Don't know how they're doing this year, just talking more in historical terms tbh

But yeah I'm pretty sure the best teams in SA could qualify in UCL...on the other hand a lot of european clubs would probably be close to shitting their pants playing in a Libertadores environment tbh :lol

overrated tbh, all that athmosphere and Brasil got 7-1d at home, argentina lost the final, uruguay didn't do shit, colombia/chile lost to bra7il :lol. The players are pros, they get heckled 24/7 on all their social media accounts and in real life, I doubt that the average UCL player actually gives a fuck these days, after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borussia_Dortmund_team_bus_bombing I sincerely believe that the scariest part of the job is getting in and out of stadiums not playing there tbh. Sure, this assumes the players are professional and not knockleheads ..

[DAF86]

overrated tbh, all that athmosphere and Brasil got 7-1d at home, argentina lost the final, uruguay didn't do shit, colombia/chile lost to bra7il :lol. The players are pros, they get heckled 24/7 on all their social media accounts and in real life, I doubt that the average UCL player actually gives a fuck these days, after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borussia_Dortmund_team_bus_bombing I sincerely believe that the scariest part of the job is getting in and out of stadiums not playing there tbh. Sure, this assumes the players are professional and not knockleheads ..

Comparing the Libertadores environment to the Brazil's WC. :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

















:lmao

[140]

^was just about to say that tbh :lol

[dfens]

Comparing the Libertadores environment to the Brazil's WC. :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

















:lmao

I'm not comparing the atmosphere/enrionment tbh, I'm comparing the resulted tension of playing a world cup game vs of playing a libertadores game. You can bet your ass that playing at a world cup is much more intense, you're fighting for your country (ALL fans not just a club), you're thinking you have to tackle perfectly or else the ref is gonna fuck you up, that your market visibility is hugely affected, that you'll be hated for ever for a mistake, that if you choke you'll NEVER hear the end of it, that this is a super rare chance and you don't want to squander it, there is no next year (like ucl/libertadores), in 4 years the team won't be the same, you're thinking about the prestige, etc ...... the pressure is monstrous tbh, just lol comparing the pressure of a world cup game with a game in a fucking europa league level of competition :lol

you niggas really think high level pro footballers care more about niggas in the stands monkeying around then all that REAL shit I just enumerated ? :lol funny tbh :lol

EDIT: the purpose of the comparison is the resulting difficulty on the players, so no, I'm not moving the goal posts tbh.

[DAF86]

I'm not comparing the atmosphere/enrionment tbh, I'm comparing the resulted tension of playing a world cup game vs of playing a libertadores game. You can bet your ass that playing at a world cup is much more intense, you're fighting for your country (ALL fans not just a club), you're thinking you have to tackle perfectly or else the ref is gonna fuck you up, that your market visibility is hugely affected, that you'll be hated for ever for a mistake, that if you choke you'll NEVER hear the end of it, that this is a super rare chance and you don't want to squander it, there is no next year (like ucl/libertadores), in 4 years the team won't be the same, you're thinking about the prestige, etc ...... the pressure is monstrous tbh, just lol comparing the pressure of a world cup game with a game in a fucking europa league level of competition :lol

you niggas really think high level pro footballers care more about niggas in the stands monkeying around then all that REAL shit I just enumerated ? :lol funny tbh :lol

Sure thing son. I bet pampered European players won't mind about not being able to sleep, the night before, because the other team's fans are all night long signing, throwing bombs and just creating havoc near the hotel they stay, or that the other team can kick the shit out of them without getting even a yellow, or getting peed while trying to kick a corner. :lol

[dfens]

Sure thing son. I bet pampered European players won't mind about not being able to sleep, the night before, because the other team's fans are all night long signing, throwing bombs and just creating havoc near the hotel they stay, or that the other team can kick the shit out of them without getting even a yellow, or getting peed while trying to kick a corner. :lol

They can book hotel outside town, large properties with proper security make this a non issue.
Kicking the shit out of the opposing team or free penaldos are a fact of life everywhere.
Getting peed though :lol ... that should elicit a monster ban and a such a ban would make teams scared of revenue loss -> teams hire good security -> players are not getting peed on. This only works with at least a semi-pro federation so not sure how this applies in south america :lol

[Brazil]

:lmao the myth about Libertadores environment

hilarious tbh... ouuuhhhh south america is tough :lmao

[DAF86]

:lmao the myth about Libertadores environment

hilarious tbh... ouuuhhhh south america is tough :lmao

Pretending like the shit I said doesn't happen. :lol

[Brazil]

Pretending like the shit I said doesn't happen. :lol

pretending european teams would be afraid playing libertadores

south america is so scary :lmao

[140]

Pretending like the shit I said doesn't happen. :lol
:lol

and you didn't even mention playing in the altitude :lol

[DAF86]

pretending european teams would be afraid playing libertadores

south america is so scary :lmao

Playing in South America is considerable harder than playing in Europe, tbh. Said by any player that has played in both continents.

Europe is like one big country, teams don't have to travel too far, the weather is more or less the same everywhere, the pitches are all in good conditions, everything is pretty much standarized.

In South America, besides the things I already mentioned, you have travels that take forever, fucked up pitches, when you don't have to play 3000 metres above sea level, you have to play in Amazonic heat.

All those things make football a lot harder in South America than Europe, it's not even debatable. I don't know why you are trying to dispute such an obvious fact, tbh.

[Brazil]

oh now you talk about travel and heat... thought it was it is scary because of the "Sure thing son. I bet pampered European players won't mind about not being able to sleep, the night before, because the other team's fans are all night long signing, throwing bombs and just creating havoc near the hotel they stay, or that the other team can kick the shit out of them without getting even a yellow, or getting peed while trying to kick a corner. :lol"

but now it is about planes and heights not anymore about being afraid

:lmao

you a clown recently bro

[DAF86]

oh now you talk about travel and heat... thought it was it is scary because of the "Sure thing son. I bet pampered European players won't mind about not being able to sleep, the night before, because the other team's fans are all night long signing, throwing bombs and just creating havoc near the hotel they stay, or that the other team can kick the shit out of them without getting even a yellow, or getting peed while trying to kick a corner. :lol"

but now it is about planes and heights not anymore about being afraid

:lmao

you a clown recently bro

It's about all of that, tbh.

Let me ask you this: Is it harder to play football in South America or in Europe? It's a simple question, I expect a simple answer, tbh.

[Brazil]

:lmao oooohhhhh fans making noise near your hotel preventing you from sleeping

stupid

[DAF86]

:lmao oooohhhhh fans making noise near your hotel preventing you from sleeping

stupid

Which is harder, son? Don't avoid the question.

[140]

My nigg Brazil running as fast as he can :lol

[Brazil]

Which is harder, son? Don't avoid the question.

you are moving goal posts now

first european teams would be afraid now it is harder because height and transport time ? :lol really dude

harder ? tbh I don't know playing a game in the middle of winter in russia is not a lot of fun either, bottom line there is no fear factor and saying top european teams would not be favorites is dumb to say the least.

:cry but but fans make more noise here ! :cry :lmao

[Canyonero]

:lmao France buying their only European club title.

[DAF86]

you are moving goal posts now

first european teams would be afraid now it is harder because height and transport time ? :lol really dude

harder ? tbh I don't know playing a game in the middle of winter in russia is not a lot of fun either, bottom line there is no fear factor and saying top european teams would not be favorites is dumb to say the least.

:cry but but fans make more noise here ! :cry :lmao

When the fuck did I ever say that? Talking about moving goal posts. :lol

My point the entire time was that playing in South America is harder than playing in Europe, first I gave some reasons (the crowd pressure and all the shady stuff that goes on off the pitch) and then I gave others (altitude, heat, long travels, fucked up pitches). I don't know where you get that I moved goalposts. My point was all along that playing in South America is harder, and you obviously agree given the fact that you won't answer a pretty simple question just to don't give your arm to bend. It's OK son, just leave it at that, avoid further damage and move on, tbh.

[dfens]

facts:
playing in the jungle is so fucking hard that Germany of all fucking participants won a world cup there and the Netherlands came 3rd :lmao
3000 m is some real shit but so is playing in extreme temperature, e.g. december game in moscow or trondheim.
is peeing really a constant issue or just a freak event? if so at least fans don't bomb the team bus or have a history of ethnic cleansing (see balkan or ukraine matches).
long travel times ? how about going from spain to russia and back or from england to tel aviv
libertadores is filled with 3rd rate talent who couldn't even make it to stronger europa league teams, lmao thinking any quality player in the UCL would have trouble sleeping at night going against these losers with poor fundamentals.

it goes like this with you sons: "south america is so tough and strong and competitive :cry" and then b2b champs chile can't beat germany's C team, we stomp brasil on their home court and then we beat misty too with a 25 yo squad, an old netherlands squad wins 3rds and so on. Y'all niggas full of shit tbh. :lol

[DAF86]

Racist scumbag posting above me, tbh.

[dfens]

Racist scumbag posting above me, tbh.

tbh you sound like one of these sjw millennials who call people racist when they have been debunked :lol step your game up son :lol

[DAF86]

tbh you sound like one of these sjw millennials who call people racist when they have been debunked :lol step your game up son :lol

I call you a racist scumbag because it's pretty easy to notice that that's what you are, tbh. You haven't debunked shit, playing in SA is a lot harder than playing in Europe. I'm not saying the quality is better, or that there are better games, or that is more entertaining, I'm just saying that it is harder, which is a pretty obvious fact that every player that has played in both continents agrees with, only a dumbfuck moron would be retarded enough to try and dispute such an clear cut fact, tbh.

[dfens]

I call you a racist scumbag because it's pretty easy to notice that that's what you are, tbh. You haven't debunked shit, playing in SA is a lot harder than playing in Europe. I'm not saying the quality is better, or that there are better games, or that is more entertaining, I'm just saying that it is harder, which is a pretty obvious fact that every player that has played in both continents agrees with, only a dumbfuck moron would be retarded enough to try and dispute such an clear cut fact, tbh.

son cursing somebody out is just proof of incompetence and weakness tbh.

UCL vs Liberadores: Libertadors has weaker teams (organisation, talent pool, cash) with (far) weaker players, with weaker coaches, weaker market value and weaker national and international federations. It's unreasonable to call playing there as harder (tougher) from a competition standpoint. If by harder you mean more disorganized then yes you are right, but from a winning pov it's night and day with UCL. Both competitions have their fair share of tough venues (freezing winter in Russia, high altitude in Bolivia, amazon jungle, heat in iberia, hooligans in serbia/turkey, terrorists in Germany, etc).

Euro vs SA: europe has far more contenders and 2nd tiers so statistically it is always harder to win. This is just mathematics, the cumulative probability of 1 is distributed over more capable teams, thus the chance to win decreases. Europe also has far more tactical diversity in the 1st (france, germany, italy, spain), 2nd (belgium, netherlands, england, portugal, croatia) and 3rd (serbia, sweden, denmark, poland, etc) tier of teams. To win you are tested more numerically (more teams), by more and diverse contenders and by many types of competent teams each with highly varying strengths and weaknesses. Teams like brasil (who have a history of exposing themselves at the back or chile who are small) would see be more exposed to dangerous draws here. Euro teams are also more organized and will penalize you more for mistakes, which makes sense since it's the most cost effective strategy at all levels. Euro teams also have (on average) better coaches and are more organized and professional.

The qualification format in SA helps good teams to overcome slow starts while the european one fucks you over. The qualification format is fair in SA, all vs all while in europe you can get fucked in the ass in a hurry with germany-italy-croatia-romania-denmark group for example. So the qualification in SA is easier because it allows more fuckups while in europe your mileage varies.

Chile just won b2b copas in SA and they are a good 2nd tier team but nothing special (NOT a WC contender), no world cup success, haven't impressed vs european teams, their only quality win was over an imploding spain and they were manhandled by the netherlands. They are a short talented team but with a low center of gravity and they are weak against aerial and physical play. While they are scrappy they can't outmuscle a strong and technical team (germany, france, a good low countries side). They have serious tactical gaps tbh and they have little room for error, i.e. they are poor at attacking an athletic team from behind (imagine chile being down one goal vs france..). Aregntina for all its talent can't capitalize on messi (GOAT talent) to win a damn tournament. Brasil got 7-1d and mexico got 7-0d. Who else? Colombia? these idiots can't even defend properly. It's pointless to reiterate how such cores are NEVER contenders. For the past 7 years South america had only one WC contender level team (Argentina), who couldn't win a single tournament.

Behind all these facts is it reasonable to say winning the copa in SA is harder then winning in Europe? of course no.

Empirical
Just look around, we won all wc since '02 (in africa and in SA) with most euro teams being subpar (netherlands now, italy since 06, france in 10, we were ultra young, etc) nonetheless, your best SA players come to europe to play and learn to play. Look at neymar when he left and neymar now, do you think he develops like that playing in Libertadors where it's supposedly harder to play? Your coaches come to europe to learn their trade. Your federations learn from ours on how to grow teams and which strategies are best for long term development/talent investment/etc.

Conclusion
So why is playing in south america harder if both the club and country competitions are weaker? The reality is that you have zero arguments at both club and country levels. Tbh I think you have no fucking clue as to how this game is really played imo, you lack in tactical understanding way too much for me to bother explaining you why european teams are so ahead right now. Right now you're throwing a sissy fit because I have been schooling you for quite some time and you are upset. Back to school little boy tbh.

[DAF86]

Thinking I'm gonna read all that shit. :lol

[dunkman]

sorry but UCL winners treat club world cup worse than germany is treating the confederations cup. Also it's basically one match as the winners of other continents are :lol

Local or European super cups aren't that important.

The intercontinental cup lost some relevance in the late 60's and early 70's because of Estudiantes dirty tactics, so Bayern declined to participate one season, otherwise it was always very important and still is today because it's not a given the UCL champion will beat the Libertadores champion.

[dfens]

Thinking I'm gonna read all that shit. :lol

pretending you can actually counter the argument :lol


Local or European super cups aren't that important.

The intercontinental cup lost some relevance in the late 60's and early 70's because of Estudiantes dirty tactics, so Bayern declined to participate one season, otherwise it was always very important and still is today because it's not a given the UCL champion will beat the Libertadores champion.

son a one game competition with minimal financial incentive is just a blip statistically, I wouldn't use it in any argument. Still if we'd get barca/real/bayern/juventus/psg/top euro team vs boca/river/corinthians/palmeiras/top sa team for 100 million euros to the winner we both know who everybody would put money on tbh. It's obvious that there is a huge gap in talent/organisation/tactics/roster depth/scouting/etc.

[DAF86]

Pretending I need to counter anything when everybody, even you, know I'm right. :lol

[Brazil]

When the fuck did I ever say that? Talking about moving goal posts. :lol

My point the entire time was that playing in South America is harder than playing in Europe, first I gave some reasons (the crowd pressure and all the shady stuff that goes on off the pitch) and then I gave others (altitude, heat, long travels, fucked up pitches). I don't know where you get that I moved goalposts. My point was all along that playing in South America is harder, and you obviously agree given the fact that you won't answer a pretty simple question just to don't give your arm to bend. It's OK son, just leave it at that, avoid further damage and move on, tbh.

you are hilarious tbh...

so the whole point is to know what is harder ? :lol who cares ? idea was not to say European would not dominate because harder ? sure.... smh


DAF: it is harder :madrun

[DAF86]

you are hilarious tbh...

so the whole point is to know what is harder ? :lol who cares ? idea was not to say European would not dominate because harder ? sure.... smh


DAF: it is harder :madrun

If you didn't care why the fuck did you even get into the discussion? :lol