Spurs Emerge as Suiters for Paul George

[TheDoctor]

All 3 of them.

Chris Paul George Hill
Damn you good :tu

[baseline bum]

I need to, at least, see a twitter account of shady reputation selling smoke about the Spurs pursuing PG13.

https://image.ibb.co/bC1bsk/New_Bitmap_Image_copy.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869858333477523458)

[DAF86]

After the elections, if Trumpr says it, I pay attention, tbh.

[cd98]

CGD tbh, why would Indy prefer Love to Aldridge? I think that this needlessly complicates things imo Aldridge > Love so why would Indy want to get the Cavs involved? Why would the Spurs for that matter? LMA might be the best thing that Indy will get for a Paul George rental. I would rather have an all star to build around than just draft picks (Boston). It is a win win for the Spurs and Pacers to do it straight up, that way the Spurs can hang on to Verde and even Fathead if they like.
On the Celtics tip, Ainge will remain a genius for as long as he has picks, the second he cashes those picks in for a player (s) the genius tab goes away and the reality of just how good a gm he is will start to be known. I think he likes the mystery of the potential of options so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Celtics keep kicking the can down the road for 5 more years.

i think Indiana would take Love over LMA. LMA can walk next year just like PG. So there's no stability. But Cavs probably don't want that trade. If they give up Love for PG, and PG walks, not only have they lost Love and PG as assets, but they are so far over the cap that they won't be able to pay another star. Plus they don't have draft picks. I think they are trying to keep assets for when LeBron leaves, which means keeping Love and Kyrie.

[SpursforSix]

Agree.
And our hope can be the Flamers have nothing better to offer, right?
I mean for all his faults Aldridge is 17 and 9 and was advancing in the playoffs as long as Kawhi was holding his hand.

And he'd do fine in the NBA East. Especially if he gets more touches.

[DAF86]

i think Indiana would take Love over LMA. LMA can walk next year just like PG. So there's no stability. But Cavs probably don't want that trade. If they give up Love for PG, and PG walks, not only have they lost Love and PG as assets, but they are so far over the cap that they won't be able to pay another star. Plus they don't have draft picks. I think they are trying to keep assets for when LeBron leaves, which means keeping Love and Kyrie.

But maybe the Pacers prefer to have LA off the books after a year than have more years of Love. And if you say: "well, why don'y they keep PG then?" because alongside Aldrisge the Pacers would be getting some prospects and draft picks.

Prospects, draft picks and cap space for the 18/19 offseason. That's a pretty damn good rebuilding package.

[exstatic]

But maybe the Pacers prefer to have LA off the books after a year than have more years of Love. And if you say: "well, why don'y they keep PG then?" because alongside Aldrisge the Pacers would be getting some prospects and draft picks.

Prospects, draft picks and cap space for the 18/19 offseason. That's a pretty damn good rebuilding package.
Or, maybe they just want to flip the bird to Magic and his dumpster fire franchise. If PG comes here, he gets a better chance to win, and the highest re-signing figure. He may never go to LA.

[buttsR4rebounding]

A crazy thought occurred to me watching the draft. The Spurs drafting 2 seniors. (I wonder the last time that happened in the NBA draft?) White while maybe not as much upside as Hart may be able to contribute sooner (this year). It was rumored that the Spurs and Pacers were close to a deal. What if Murray was the piece that the Spurs were reluctant to throw in? Could it be the Spurs wanted to sit down in front of Chris Paul with the proposition that they would pull the trigger on LMA + Murray for George if Paul commits to the Spurs? If that could somehow come to pass I could then see DG on his way to Philadelphia who really need a 3&D 2 guard with veteran experience on that team. With their plethora of bigs and the obvious ties to the Spurs the path to a serviceable 4 could be available as well. One can dream...

[Chillen]

I wouldn't give up more than Aldridge/future pick for Paul George as a 1 year rental.

[Spurs9]

A crazy thought occurred to me watching the draft. The Spurs drafting 2 seniors. (I wonder the last time that happened in the NBA draft?) White while maybe not as much upside as Hart may be able to contribute sooner (this year). It was rumored that the Spurs and Pacers were close to a deal. What if Murray was the piece that the Spurs were reluctant to throw in? Could it be the Spurs wanted to sit down in front of Chris Paul with the proposition that they would pull the trigger on LMA + Murray for George if Paul commits to the Spurs? If that could somehow come to pass I could then see DG on his way to Philadelphia who really need a 3&D 2 guard with veteran experience on that team. With their plethora of bigs and the obvious ties to the Spurs the path to a serviceable 4 could be available as well. One can dream...
Nah, I'm not giving up Murray.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Nah, I'm not giving up Murray.

But with Pop's obvious man crush on CP3, and IMO a real chance to take down the Warriors with a CP3, PG13, and KL perimeter defense I think Pop/Buford would do it.

[mo7888]

But with Pop's obvious man crush on CP3, and IMO a real chance to take down the Warriors with a CP3, PG13, and KL perimeter defense I think Pop/Buford would do it.

I think you're right... pop would do that..

[tbdog]

A crazy thought occurred to me watching the draft. The Spurs drafting 2 seniors. (I wonder the last time that happened in the NBA draft?) White while maybe not as much upside as Hart may be able to contribute sooner (this year). It was rumored that the Spurs and Pacers were close to a deal. What if Murray was the piece that the Spurs were reluctant to throw in? Could it be the Spurs wanted to sit down in front of Chris Paul with the proposition that they would pull the trigger on LMA + Murray for George if Paul commits to the Spurs? If that could somehow come to pass I could then see DG on his way to Philadelphia who really need a 3&D 2 guard with veteran experience on that team. With their plethora of bigs and the obvious ties to the Spurs the path to a serviceable 4 could be available as well. One can dream...

I guarantee this deal would get it done. However I think this could hurt us in the long run while PG could just pack up and leave and no way we can get CP as well.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydyzmpd3

But ill prefer this one.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mfxxrvx

[bic50]

But with Pop's obvious man crush on CP3, and IMO a real chance to take down the Warriors with a CP3, PG13, and KL perimeter defense I think Pop/Buford would do it.
Only issue would be pg13 would only be a 1 year rental

[Ice009]

A crazy thought occurred to me watching the draft. The Spurs drafting 2 seniors. (I wonder the last time that happened in the NBA draft?) White while maybe not as much upside as Hart may be able to contribute sooner (this year). It was rumored that the Spurs and Pacers were close to a deal. What if Murray was the piece that the Spurs were reluctant to throw in? Could it be the Spurs wanted to sit down in front of Chris Paul with the proposition that they would pull the trigger on LMA + Murray for George if Paul commits to the Spurs? If that could somehow come to pass I could then see DG on his way to Philadelphia who really need a 3&D 2 guard with veteran experience on that team. With their plethora of bigs and the obvious ties to the Spurs the path to a serviceable 4 could be available as well. One can dream...

Very interesting. If Paul George were willing to re-sign with the Spurs I think I would be willing to trade Dejounte. Not sure what I would do if it was a 50/50 gamble on a one year rental, though. I think I might still do it.

[raybies]

A crazy thought occurred to me watching the draft. The Spurs drafting 2 seniors. (I wonder the last time that happened in the NBA draft?) White while maybe not as much upside as Hart may be able to contribute sooner (this year). It was rumored that the Spurs and Pacers were close to a deal. What if Murray was the piece that the Spurs were reluctant to throw in? Could it be the Spurs wanted to sit down in front of Chris Paul with the proposition that they would pull the trigger on LMA + Murray for George if Paul commits to the Spurs? If that could somehow come to pass I could then see DG on his way to Philadelphia who really need a 3&D 2 guard with veteran experience on that team. With their plethora of bigs and the obvious ties to the Spurs the path to a serviceable 4 could be available as well. One can dream...
Makes sense that teams would want to include Murray. He's young and full of potential. He's like the only prospect we have that other teams might realistically want.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Very interesting. If Paul George were willing to re-sign with the Spurs I think I would be willing to trade Dejounte. Not sure what I would do if it was a 50/50 gamble on a one year rental, though. I think I might still do it.
PG is disgusted with management flipping the Bird at the players. With his Bird rights and playing with a class organization who knows?

[sasaint]

A crazy thought occurred to me watching the draft. The Spurs drafting 2 seniors. (I wonder the last time that happened in the NBA draft?) White while maybe not as much upside as Hart may be able to contribute sooner (this year). It was rumored that the Spurs and Pacers were close to a deal. What if Murray was the piece that the Spurs were reluctant to throw in? Could it be the Spurs wanted to sit down in front of Chris Paul with the proposition that they would pull the trigger on LMA + Murray for George if Paul commits to the Spurs? If that could somehow come to pass I could then see DG on his way to Philadelphia who really need a 3&D 2 guard with veteran experience on that team. With their plethora of bigs and the obvious ties to the Spurs the path to a serviceable 4 could be available as well. One can dream...

I agree. Crazy thought. No freaking way. Trade our one-year rental plus a guy that many believe would now be a late lottery pick for Indy's one-year rental? Smh.

[sasaint]

Very interesting. If Paul George were willing to re-sign with the Spurs I think I would be willing to trade Dejounte. Not sure what I would do if it was a 50/50 gamble on a one year rental, though. I think I might still do it.

No way.

[TD 21]

A crazy thought occurred to me watching the draft. The Spurs drafting 2 seniors. (I wonder the last time that happened in the NBA draft?) White while maybe not as much upside as Hart may be able to contribute sooner (this year). It was rumored that the Spurs and Pacers were close to a deal. What if Murray was the piece that the Spurs were reluctant to throw in? Could it be the Spurs wanted to sit down in front of Chris Paul with the proposition that they would pull the trigger on LMA + Murray for George if Paul commits to the Spurs? If that could somehow come to pass I could then see DG on his way to Philadelphia who really need a 3&D 2 guard with veteran experience on that team. With their plethora of bigs and the obvious ties to the Spurs the path to a serviceable 4 could be available as well. One can dream...

Got the same thought. Could be that they just thought White was best available, but it could be connected to Green or Murray too. Incidentally, White projects as near ideal PG next to two ball dominant wings.

Think Pacers would do it before Spurs. Pacers ownership is opposed to re-building, so they'll probably attempt to remain on treadmill of mediocrity. Combined that with Aldridge getting out of spotlight, being able to revert to Trail Blazers role and McMillan connection and he might re-sign. Murray would give them potential PG of the future and asset in case Aldridge bolts.

Risk for Spurs would by monumental considering George's determination to get to Lakers, ego and relative youth. I don't think he could handle playing Pippen to Leonard's Jordan or Spurs' strict culture.

[cjw]

Got the same thought. Could be that they just thought White was best available, but it could be connected to Green or Murray too. Incidentally, White projects as near ideal PG next to two ball dominant wings.

Think Pacers would do it before Spurs. Pacers ownership is opposed to re-building, so they'll probably attempt to remain on treadmill of mediocrity. Combined that with Aldridge getting out of spotlight, being able to revert to Trail Blazers role and McMillan connection and he might re-sign. Murray would give them potential PG of the future and asset in case Aldridge bolts.

Risk for Spurs would by monumental considering George's determination to get to Lakers, ego and relative youth. I don't think he could handle playing Pippen to Leonard's Jordan or Spurs' strict culture.

I think it was connected to Mills and Green, but more in the fact that they need to eventually replace them + Simmons (or pay up), and replace Manu. Think we're reading too much into the fact that he and Murray are both PG.

If Murray develops into a starter and White a sixth man, or vice versa, the Spurs did well.

[GSH]

Boston has the Lakers pick next year if it's 2-5, otherwise Philly gets it.


We could be entering new waters here. I wonder if the C's would send the Lakers a later first round pick, in exchange for a tank?

[TD 21]

I think it was connected to Mills and Green, but more in the fact that they need to eventually replace them + Simmons (or pay up), and replace Manu. Think we're reading too much into the fact that he and Murray are both PG.

If Murray develops into a starter and White a sixth man, or vice versa, the Spurs did well.

Could be, but I look at it like Parker probably isn't going anywhere for at least 2 seasons and will be in the rotation. Despite this, Murray and White, they probably pursue Paul and Hill and if they sign one, will have 4 PG's or combo guards who are or project as rotation guards, in addition to Green. If this plays out, something's (probably) got to give.

[SAGirl]

Could be, but I look at it like Parker probably isn't going anywhere for at least 2 seasons and will be in the rotation. Despite this, Murray and White, they probably pursue Paul and Hill and if they sign one, will have 4 PG's or combo guards who are or project as rotation guards, in addition to Green. If this plays out, something's (probably) got to give.
I do believe Danny is gone. Spurs just don't do rumors. I considered him a smokescreen earlier, and misdirection but having drafted two wings, one of which is a guard, (on top of bringing Hanga), I think he's indeed been involved in a deal.

[tmtcsc]

Could be, but I look at it like Parker probably isn't going anywhere for at least 2 seasons and will be in the rotation. Despite this, Murray and White, they probably pursue Paul and Hill and if they sign one, will have 4 PG's or combo guards who are or project as rotation guards, in addition to Green. If this plays out, something's (probably) got to give.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/10687lEgzWJ1BK/giphy.gif

Dude has 1 year remaining on his contract and my hope is that he doesn't get to be here for it, much less 2.

[100%duncan]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/10687lEgzWJ1BK/giphy.gif

Dude has 1 year remaining on his contract and my hope is that he doesn't get to be here for it, much less 2.

:lmao solid gif

[Spur|n|Austin]

1 year rental, best scenario for everyone - come on back home PG!

[TD 21]

I do believe Danny is gone. Spurs just don't do rumors. I considered him a smokescreen earlier, and misdirection but having drafted two wings, one of which is a guard, (on top of bringing Hanga), I think he's indeed been involved in a deal.

Yeah, especially if Hill is signed (right now, I believe this is more likely than not), they'll be a need for a more dynamic guard to pair with him or at least a combination of guards who have some off the dribble game. Plus, it's unlikely they'd want to pay $30-35M for 3-4 years to 2 over 30 guards, when neither is a star.



https://media3.giphy.com/media/10687lEgzWJ1BK/giphy.gif

Dude has 1 year remaining on his contract and my hope is that he doesn't get to be here for it, much less 2.

I'm aware. I expect Parker to look terrible when he get's back, but not want to go out that way and convince himself that with a full summer of rehab and more time removed from the injury, he'll still be able to play. If/when he realizes he still can't, that'll probably be the end; especially if Spurs want to move on.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) 2m (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/879119326812356608)
League sources: Cavs, Pacers and Nuggets have discussed a three-way deal that would land Paul George in Cleveland and Kevin Love in Denver





Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) 3m (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/879119238451023872)
Reporting with @ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/): League sources say Cleveland continues to pursue a Paul George trade, with Denver as the potential third team

[ace3g]

Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
(https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) 8s (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/879120914981376000)
One version of potential 3-team trade involving Cleveland, Indiana, Denver, Kenneth Faried would be Cavalier-bound, league sources tell ESPN

[CGD]

Dang, Denver getting involved is no bueno. They have lots of interesting assets to entice IND, and certainly more than our paltry standing offer for LMA.

[picnroll]

Love and Jokic would be a serious defensive problem.

[TimDunkem]

Kenneth and Thompson would be so shit offensively. Then again, all they have to do is clean up those George and Bron misses. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Dang, Denver getting involved is no bueno. They have lots of interesting assets to entice IND, and certainly more than our paltry standing offer for LMA.No doubt although Cavs aren't offering Love for Paul straight up. I doubt the Spurs were either. They have to have been smart enough to involve a third team - of course the problem is that no one wants Aldridge.

[cjw]

Kenneth and Thompson would be so shit offensively. Then again, all they have to do is clean up those George and Bron misses. :lol

Not sure those two play many minutes together. They could barely play Tristan and Love together when Warriors (only team that matters for them unless Boston gets a lot better, which they could). You're now swapping out 32 Kevin Love minutes for 22 Faried minutes (all the ones where Thompson is off the floor). PG fills the other 10 lost Love minutes and another 26 other minutes of whatever scrubs they trotted out there.

All in all, they'd get more minutes out of George than Love, which is a net positive and Faried > the crap they played at end of bench.

[picnroll]

Paul going anywhere but to the Lakers this year is fine with me. I just don't want the Lakers get him this year and have his Bird rights for next year.

[TimDunkem]

You don't necessarily have to play them together for the offense to suffer.

That's besides the point though. George going there would offset any drop-off offensively.

[TimDunkem]

Paul going anywhere but to the Lakers this year is fine with me. I just don't want the Lakers get him this year and have his Bird rights for next year.
Why? They're not scary with him and any other possible big time FA. Best case scenario, LA ends up with a tier 2 star and a tier 3 star and ends up as a perpetual 4th seed in the west.

Big deal..

[picnroll]

Why? They're not scary with him and any other possible big time FA. Best case scenario, LA ends up with a tier 2 star and a tier 3 star and ends up as a perpetual 4th seed in the west.

Big deal..

Lakers want Paul and Lebron. Without Bird rights for Paul they'll be totally stripped to add other players.

[TimDunkem]

LeBron isn't going to the Lakers. He'd join the Clippers first.

[picnroll]

LeBron isn't going to the Lakers. He'd join the Clippers first.
OK Magic

[TimDunkem]

Lol LeBron to the Lakers doesn't make sense, man. Use your head...Winning a title in LA simply makes him just another chapter in Laker lore.

LeBron Isn't interested...

[therealtruth]

How about LMA and DG/fillers for Paul George?

[picnroll]

Moses leading his tribe out of the desert will only magnify his legend.

[ace3g]

879128251440013312

[TimDunkem]

He can build his legend elsewhere. Hell, taking the Clippers to the promise land would be much more impressive than winning a title with the Lakers.

[BatManu20]

He was never coming to SA anyways.

[CGD]

879128251440013312

If the Melo thing gains traction, wonder if Spurs can get in on the action in a NYC-CLE-SAS deal.

[cd98]

Boston can come in at any point and steal PG from anyone.

[TimDunkem]

Yep. Boston certainly isn't out of it yet.

[TD 21]

- I get that teams like Nuggets can't even get a meeting with star (even in declining value) like Love, but him and Jokic would be untenable together defensively.

- Thompson-Faried wouldn't play together; Faried would back Thompson up. They'd either have to attempt to talk James into playing PF or at least splitting it with George or start Frye (who'd primarily guard C's), to serve as placeholder floor spacer.

- Best Spurs could do, is trading Green to separate team for 1st, then adding that to Aldridge and Murray, for George and something like Anigbogu or 2nd. I'd do it if there was a decent or better chance of his re-signing, but I just can't envision him being willing to play Pippen to Leonard's Jordan or playing in San Antonio.

[Hoops Czar]

- I get that teams like Nuggets can't even get a meeting with star (even in declining value) like Love, but him and Jokic would be untenable together defensively.

- Thompson-Faried wouldn't play together; Faried would back Thompson up. They'd either have to attempt to talk James into playing PF or at least splitting it with George or start Frye (who'd primarily guard C's), to serve as placeholder floor spacer.

- Best Spurs could do, is trading Green to separate team for 1st, then adding that to Aldridge and Murray, for George and something like Anigbogu or 2nd. I'd do it if there was at least a 50/50 chance of his re-signing, but there isn't . . . just can't envision him being willing to play Pippen to Leonard's Jordan or playing in San Antonio.

They had no problem getting a meeting with Paul.

[TimDunkem]

1.Nugs biggest issue is team defense. Individual defense is less of an issue. Also, Jokic's defense isn't even that bad.

2.That's obvious enough, but I've heard James is uninterested in playing the 4. I'd imagine George doesn't want to either.

3.Spurs aren't getting George. PERIOD.

[TD 21]

- Meant historically . . . Nuggets actually had a meeting with Wade last year too, even though it was clearly a negotiating ploy on his part. Still, no star is signing with them.

- Team defense only goes so far. Jokic, though longer than Love, is also slow footed and can't jump, which means neither can guard in space/PnR or protect the rim. No amount of basketball IQ or work ethic is changing that or covering it up.

- James are George are both opposed to primarily playing PF, but it was one thing to refuse to a few years ago when James was younger, the league played bigger and he played with role playing wings. He's not dumb: he knows their best lineup would be Irving-Smith-George-James-Thompson and whether starting or not, they'd play plenty together, close and be starting lineup vs Warriors.

- Never said Spurs were trading for George; said that was best they could do . . . according to Stein and Haynes though, they aggressively pursued it on draft night.

[cd98]

- I get that teams like Nuggets can't even get a meeting with star (even in declining value) like Love, but him and Jokic would be untenable together defensively.

- Thompson-Faried wouldn't play together; Faried would back Thompson up. They'd either have to attempt to talk James into playing PF or at least splitting it with George or start Frye (who'd primarily guard C's), to serve as placeholder floor spacer.

- Best Spurs could do, is trading Green to separate team for 1st, then adding that to Aldridge and Murray, for George and something like Anigbogu or 2nd. I'd do it if there was a decent or better chance of his re-signing, but I just can't envision him being willing to play Pippen to Leonard's Jordan or playing in San Antonio.

He played in Indiana. Is that better than SA? Doubt it.

[TimDunkem]

I've heard a lot RECENTLY about LeBron not wanting to play PF. Maybe he'd change if he got talent along the lines of George though.

And, yeah, I'm sure 29 teams called the Pacers on draft night.

[TD 21]

He played in Indiana. Is that better than SA? Doubt it.

He's determined to get to L.A. though. It's one thing to fall in line behind arguably the 2nd best player ever and someone a generation ahead, in James, but Leonard? Even though we all know he's in a different class, George is probably delusional enough to think or pretend he's better.

That shit is petty and should be irrelevant, but reality is most players want to win . . . but only on their terms.

[cd98]

He's determined to get to L.A. though. It's one thing to fall in line behind arguably the 2nd best player ever and someone a generation ahead, in James, but Leonard? Even though we all know he's in a different class, George is probably delusional enough to think or pretend he's better.

That shit is petty and should be irrelevant, but reality is most players want to win . . . but only on their terms.

Tbh, I think PG has a little player rivalry with Kawhi. There's been some talk and he made an excuse once after getting walloped by Kawhi. I think he could be one of those players Windhorst was referring to as thinking Kawhi is overrated.

[Ice009]

Tbh, I think PG has a little player rivalry with Kawhi. There's been some talk and he made an excuse once after getting walloped by Kawhi. I think he could be one of those players Windhorst was referring to as thinking Kawhi is overrated.

Maybe some of those players thought that, but surely after these playoffs, some of them had to have changed their minds on Kawhi, wouldn't they? I mean, surely Kawhi's performance in these playoffs has to force a lot of these guys to change their opinion of him.

[$pursDynasty]

if PG is that short sighted, me first and unconcerned about winning then I wouldn't want him however I am not sure that the hypothesis stated is correct. To me Indiana is trying to put up enough smoke that teams up their offers but considering the deal the Bulls got, and the fact that PG is a 1 year rental I am not sure how much sweeter the offers are going to get. The Cavs are desperate to be on the front page, the Celtics would rather stay cozy in potential land instead of dealing in reality and the Lakers want to hold on to as many assets as possible. That still gives the Spurs a decent chance to land PG, because I am not sure any of the other three would give up anything more desirable than LMA, or even if they would I don't know if they have anything more desirable to give up even if they wanted to.

[Ice009]

if PG is that short sighted, me first and unconcerned about winning then I wouldn't want him however I am not sure that the hypothesis stated is correct. To me Indiana is trying to put up enough smoke that teams up their offers but considering the deal the Bulls got, and the fact that PG is a 1 year rental I am not sure how much sweeter the offers are going to get. The Cavs are desperate to be on the front page, the Celtics would rather stay cozy in potential land instead of dealing in reality and the Lakers want to hold on to as many assets as possible. That still gives the Spurs a decent chance to land PG, because I am not sure any of the other three would give up anything more desirable than LMA, or even if they would I don't know if they have anything more desirable to give up even if they wanted to.

I also forgot that Nate McMillan is the coach there and also Kevin Pritchard is their new GM? If so, maybe we do have a slight chance of making something happen with them? Those two know LaMarcus and I think they know better than anyone how to get the best out of him. He might not also mind going there because those are two guys he's familiar with.

Hopefully, Paul George is not the twat some people here are thinking/saying he is, and that he doesn't have any issue with playing alongside Kawhi.

[GSH]

I've heard a lot RECENTLY about LeBron not wanting to play PF. Maybe he'd change if he got talent along the lines of George though.

And, yeah, I'm sure 29 teams called the Pacers on draft night.



I bet almost that many called inquiring about LMA. :lol


Kyrie, PG, and LeBron. Throw in Danny and Dedmon? Yeah, I think LeBron would adjust to that.

[sasaint]

I bet almost that many called inquiring about LMA. :lol


Kyrie, PG, and LeBron. Throw in Danny and Dedmon? Yeah, I think LeBron would adjust to that.

In a small-ball league, I think it is inevitable that Lebron moves to a position designated "PF" as his speed and quo knees decline with age. When he starts making that transition is anybody's guess. But if the opportunity to play with another star/elite PF came along, I think he might make that move now. On offense, he would kill most of the league's PFs. And on defense, as the league has moved toward "stretch 4s", he wouldn't have to defend any guys like prime Z-Bo going forward.

Heck, the guy is a beast who never has suffered a major injury. He may play until he is 50. We might see him play the 5 before his career is over.

[sasaint]

Maybe some of those players thought that, but surely after these playoffs, some of them had to have changed their minds on Kawhi, wouldn't they? I mean, surely Kawhi's performance in these playoffs has to force a lot of these guys to change their opinion of him.

Some of those guys may say they think Kawhi is overrated, but that would be their egos talking - not what they know in their hearts.

[$pursDynasty]

gonna keep bumping this thread because it is the trade rumor no one is talking about , all I hear is LeCavs three way or now John Wall pushing for...however PG13 to the Spurs is the one move that would prove the biggest threat to the Dubs. The talking heads say they want a credible thread to the Dubs but what they mean is they want one of their sacred cows to be a credible threat to the Dubs, which is why they keep beating the Cavs, Lakers, and Celtics drums. If all it would cost is LMA, the Dubs would want no part of a healthy Spurs teams minus Aldridge but plus PG13.

[Chinook]

No one's talking about Green and Parker for Lebron either.

[szkorhetz]

gonna keep bumping this thread because it is the trade rumor no one is talking about , all I hear is LeCavs three way or now John Wall pushing for...however PG13 to the Spurs is the one move that would prove the biggest threat to the Dubs. The talking heads say they want a credible thread to the Dubs but what they mean is they want one of their sacred cows to be a credible threat to the Dubs, which is why they keep beating the Cavs, Lakers, and Celtics drums. If all it would cost is LMA, the Dubs would want no part of a healthy Spurs teams minus Aldridge but plus PG13.
Indiana already said no to Love-PG13. Why in the world would they want anything from LMA, when Love is the superior player?

[Mr. Body]

Indiana already said no to Love-PG13. Why in the world would they want anything from LMA, when Love is the superior player?

Expiring

[GSH]

In a small-ball league, I think it is inevitable that Lebron moves to a position designated "PF" as his speed and quo knees decline with age. When he starts making that transition is anybody's guess. But if the opportunity to play with another star/elite PF came along, I think he might make that move now. On offense, he would kill most of the league's PFs. And on defense, as the league has moved toward "stretch 4s", he wouldn't have to defend any guys like prime Z-Bo going forward.

Heck, the guy is a beast who never has suffered a major injury. He may play until he is 50. We might see him play the 5 before his career is over.


Yeah, I wasn't saying that they would/could actually put that together. But the offensive firepower of LeBron/Kyrie/PG is pretty daunting. Throw in an interior defender who can clean up the glass from time to time, and a defensive 3P specialist? I think LeBron would nominally play the 4 to put that together.

I do understand him not wanting to play as a traditional PF, though. He's big, and damned strong. But all the pushing and wrestling that goes on down there? It takes a toll on the knees, and it would take a big chunk of spring out of his step, especially late in games. But with all the small ball being played these days, it gets harder and harder to pigeon hole guys into traditional positions. Personally, I think they need to invent some new position names and see if they fly.

[MultiTroll]

Expiring
Sort of.
LMA has a player option for 18-19.
Knowing his phaggotry the Cavs may not want him for two years as he may insist on taking it.

[$pursDynasty]

expiring and LMA is a superior player than Love imo.

[$pursDynasty]

No one's talking about Green and Parker for Lebron either.
Chin as crazy as it sounds IF the Cavs can't pull off any roster moves to improve the team, LBJ will be in supreme wining mode and then I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't force the Cavs to trade him instead. In that scenario SA would be the #1 choice I could see LBJ agreeing to. If you can't bring the club that can beat the Dubs to LBJ, send LBJ to the club that can beat the Dubs.

[MultiTroll]

^^ love the sound of that. That would be sweet if LeBron convinced the Cavs that he is leaving after next season so better to trade him now. Cavs won't do it tho no matter what. Even if it means his bailing for free in 2018.

Got to believe the Banana Boat krew has talked among themselves and has a plan.
It seems like summer of 2018 is when the real chit will come down. But ya, all the moreso why one year in San Antone for PG makes the most sense. Indy is gonna go with the best offer tho.

[Chinook]

Wonder if this Hayward/George business can be replicated with Paul/George (:lol). Spurs could dump Parker to ATL with a first, sign CP3 with cap space, then trade Green and LMA for PG. The Pacers do an extend-and-trade, so the Spurs would get him for four years.

Paul, Murray, White
Leonard, Simmons, Forbes
George, Anderson, Hanga
Lee, Bertans, Blossomgame
Gasol, Milutinov, ring-chaser

[sasaint]

Yeah, I wasn't saying that they would/could actually put that together. But the offensive firepower of LeBron/Kyrie/PG is pretty daunting. Throw in an interior defender who can clean up the glass from time to time, and a defensive 3P specialist? I thinkc LeBron would nominally play the 4 to put that together.

I do understand him not wanting to play as a traditional PF, though. He's big, and damned strong. But all the pushing and wrestling that goes on down there? It takes a toll on the knees, and it would take a big chunk of spring out of his step, especially late in games. But with all the small ball being played these days, it gets harder and harder to pigeon hole guys into traditional positions. Personally, I think they need to invent some new position names and see if they fly.

Let 'er rip. I'd love to see what you can come up with!

[MaNu4Tres]

Dont want PG for a one yr rental. Id prefer Iggy for 3 yrs. Better defender, less bullshit possessions taken away from CP/ Kawhi.

[sasaint]

Dont want PG for a one yr rental. Id prefer Iggy for 3 yrs. Better defender, less bullshit possessions taken away from CP/ Kawhi.

I agree, except I doubt that CP3 was really interested in the Spurs to begin with - much less with our frontcourt in shambles.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

George for one year would put us in the same situation as Aldridge next year, but we wouldn't have to sweat him opting in for that ridiculous amount of money.

And we'd match up better with GS, and have the opportunity to sell him on staying.

[dbreiden83080]

George for one year would put us in the same situation as Aldridge next year, but we wouldn't have to sweat him opting in for that ridiculous amount of money.

And we'd match up better with GS, and have the opportunity to sell him on staying.

Play with Leonard long term. Try to win some chips. But sounds too good to be true..

[Chinook]

Fuck Iggy. Where's this shit coming from? I'd rather bring Manu back, and you all know how I feel about that.

[MaNu4Tres]

Fuck Iggy. Where's this shit coming from? I'd rather bring Manu back, and you all know how I feel about that.

Smarter/better play would be to sign Thabo instead of Iggy for about 10-15 million less per.

[apalisoc_9]

Smarter/better play would be to sign Thabo instead of Iggy for about 10-15 million less per.

Lol.

Sorry bro, but you clearly haven't followed him the last year and half. I don't want Iggy but Thabo looks done. And that's after playing with a system that benefits role players.

[SpursBig3s]

http://spurs.247sports.com/Bolt/Paul-George-recruiting-Klay-Thompson-to-join-him-on-Lakers--53352510

PG recruiting Klay Thompson to join him in LA... lol this shit is ridiculous

[TimDunkem]

^Meh. That team still wouldn't be good. It would be everything people with a brain thinks it will be led by PG: A perpetual 4th seed with a tier 2 and tier 3 star.

[MaNu4Tres]

Lol.

Sorry bro, but you clearly haven't followed him the last year and half. I don't want Iggy but Thabo looks done. And that's after playing with a system that benefits role players.

Nah I have. He was tailing off in previous seasons, but last year he had a much better year and was solid defensively. For the minimum, I'd take him over Iggy for 17 mil per.

[cd98]

Wish we had the resources to get PG, but if this rumor is true, he's going to screw anyone that gets him other than LA.

[Hoops Czar]

Smarter/better play would be to sign Thabo instead of Iggy for about 10-15 million less per.

He'd be a fool to leave Golden State. They've made a below average jump shooter/free throw shooter into a juggernaut role player but the Spurs don't have the tools and personnel to make that happen. The Spurs don't run a motion offense and they need players to knockdown shots. His defense is above average but as the Spurs have found out the last couple of years, bend but don't break defenses don't sniff championships if the offense goes through serious bouts of stagnation where they can't score.

[AFMadison]

Spurs better go all the way the fuck in for George.

[look_at_g_shred]

If the rockets can get Paul for chips..we need to get PG for chips too lol

[baseline bum]

Spurs should pull out of the George sweepstakes with CP3 off the market. They'll never convince him to re-sign here without Paul.

[AFMadison]

Spurs should pull out of the George sweepstakes with CP3 off the market. They'll never convince him to re-sign here without Paul.
What about George Hill? Idk their chemistry but they played together in Indiana...

[Ice009]

This is my number 1 choice (actually DeMarcus Cousins is/was last trade deadline), but out of the guys currently available he is my number one choice. Thing is, SA is a shit destination that nobody wants to play at. Maybe if Kawhi was more talkative and persuaded someone to come here it might happen, but I think Kawhi with his personality, needs a team like the Lakers or Boston that can draw people there without him having to recruit.

I mean, Kawhi himself could be partly to blame for not giving a fuck about recruiting. I think he's leaving that all up to the front office as evidenced by him not being at the KD pitch/mieeting. That approach could be a big mistake on his part.

[TimDunkem]

But ST said that Kawhi shouldn't have to pick up a phone.

[baseline bum]

What about George Hill? Idk their chemistry but they played together in Indiana...

I think the Spurs only shot at getting George to opt in would be if they had a team that could beat Golden State. With CP3 the Spurs could have been that team. I don't think anyone would expect the Spurs to challenge the Warriors by effectively swapping Aldridge for Hill.

[Chinook]

If the rockets can get Paul for chips..we need to get PG for chips too lol

The Spurs don't have the mid-tier contracts to make trades. That's what happens when you go under the cap multiple years in a row.

[CGD]

I'm sure there is a standing deal with Boston in place depending on what happens to Hayward.

Now that Paul is gone (and any hope of luring George), Spurs need to pivot to Holiday. Really don't want Lowery here.

[cd98]

Kawhi better start recruiting.

[$pursDynasty]

not sure what the Rox are up to besides chasing big names, I always preferred PG13 over CP3, so I am not devastated. I would like the Spurs to heavily pursue PG, and see if they can talk the Pels out of Boogie as far as big fish go, if we strike out there then recalibrate but don't overpay for anything on the 2ndary market.

[$pursDynasty]

Adding PG13 to this team without any major losses besides LMA would imo make the Spurs the strongest challenge to the Dubs going into the season anyway. Seeing as how the Spurs were the Dubs greatest opponent last season. If we were to rank all the teams in the NBA right now and even accounting for Hayward going to the Celts, the Spurs would still be #2 on the rankings followed by the Cavs then the Rox. With the Spurs PG would have a chance to be the main scoring option, letting KL be the defensive beast and not having to carry all the load on offense. That team with Verde and Juice still on the roster would be able to match up with the Dubs defensively.

[baseline bum]

This is why I so desperately wanted RC to trade Softridge for a pick on draft night: because CP3 was the only move the Spurs could have made to give them a chance of being competitive with Golden State. That way if CP3 says no you still have a good future asset to try to build towards a title contender in a couple of years. I guess there was no market for Aldridge in the late lottery to mid first round or there was no one RC liked much available at a pick he could have traded to. Dumping Aldridge for a pick would have ensured they could have gone for a youth movement with Murray + whoever RC drafted + Gordon Hayward that would put them in position to compete for a title right as Klay Thompson runs off to LA. By not being able to get a nice prospect for Aldridge the Spurs were forced into a CP3 or bust offseason, and it's bust now.

[ducks]

well spurs were not that interested in cp3 so that was not their plan

[Chinook]

This is why I so desperately wanted RC to trade Softridge for a pick on draft night: because CP3 was the only move the Spurs could have made to give them a chance of being competitive with Golden State. That way if CP3 says no you still have a good future asset to try to build towards a title contender in a couple of years. I guess there was no market for Aldridge in the late lottery to mid first round or there was no one RC liked much available at a pick he could have traded to. Dumping Aldridge for a pick would have ensured they could have gone for a youth movement with Murray + whoever RC drafted + Gordon Hayward that would put them in position to compete for a title right as Klay Thompson runs off to LA. By not being able to get a nice prospect for Aldridge the Spurs were forced into a CP3 or bust offseason, and it's bust now.

I find this an odd view. There are multiple PGs who can fit the roster better than Paul, who would have helped Green and Bertans more than Kawhi and LMA. Not trading LMA was not a sign the Spurs were going Paul or bust. Paul and Westbrook (and Cousins and other guys) are FAs next year.

If "busting" is trading LMA away at the deadline and starting over with Kawhi and space, I think the Spurs have a good hand. If anything giving Paul a max only to see him marginalize Kawhi was the worst-case scenario.

[LittleCriminal]

I find this an odd view. There are multiple PGs who can fit the roster better than Paul, who would have helped Green and Bertans more than Kawhi and LMA. Not trading LMA was not a sign the Spurs were going Paul or bust. Paul and Westbrook (and Cousins and other guys) are FAs next year.

If "busting" is trading LMA away at the deadline and starting over with Kawhi and space, I think the Spurs have a good hand. If anything giving Paul a max only to see him marginalize Kawhi was the worst-case scenario.

:bobo

[Ice009]

not sure what the Rox are up to besides chasing big names, I always preferred PG13 over CP3, so I am not devastated. I would like the Spurs to heavily pursue PG, and see if they can talk the Pels out of Boogie as far as big fish go, if we strike out there then recalibrate but don't overpay for anything on the 2ndary market.

I think Alvin Gentry wants to keep DeMarcus as have a real go with him. Have you seen a picture of him lately? I saw one yesterday and he's been working hard (not like that piece of shit LaMarcus). Looks like he's lost a lot of weight. He could be quicker and more dynamic this upcoming season. Gentry wants to play him as a point Center from what I've heard.

[E20]

Everyone quit fooling yourselves. No one wants to come to SA. It literally is a shit market and shit area to live in. The only light in SA are the Spurs and playing with guys like Pop, Kawhi, and Manu and that's usually where aging mid tier players who are chasing a ring sign with that no one else wants; not big names. The likes of Paul Geroge, CP3, Melo, Wade, and Lebron (all names I've been reading that are 'showing interest' in playing on the Spurs) is just circle jerk talk and mental masturbation. LMAO Can anyone seriously imagine the likes of CP3/PG13/Lebron etc. walking up and down in a place like SA.

[Hoops Czar]

Kawhi better start recruiting.

That's almost as funny as CP3 to Spurs.

[TimDunkem]

Everyone quit fooling yourselves. No one wants to come to SA. It literally is a shit market and shit area to live in. The only light in SA are the Spurs and playing with guys like Pop, Kawhi, and Manu and that's usually where aging mid tier players who are chasing a ring sign with that no one else wants; not big names. The likes of Paul Geroge, CP3, Melo, Wade, and Lebron (all names I've been reading that are 'showing interest' in playing on the Spurs) is just circle jerk talk and mental masturbation. LMAO Can anyone seriously imagine the likes of CP3/PG13/Lebron etc. walking up and down in a place like SA.
This. Stop making things so hard on yourself, people...

[cd98]

That's almost as funny as CP3 to Spurs.

Its actually sad. All the super teams are being formed by superstar friends. Kawhi doesn't appear to have any.

[TimDunkem]

Its actually sad. All the super teams are being formed by superstar friends. Kawhi doesn't appear to have any.
This actually made me a little sad. :lmao

[Ice009]

What we have here is a failure to communicate (I'm looking at you, Kawhi). You need to start recruiting.

[rastaspur]

Nah I have. He was tailing off in previous seasons, but last year he had a much better year and was solid defensively. For the minimum, I'd take him over Iggy for 17 mil per.

[cd98]

Tim recruited LMA. It works, you just have to find a true superstar.

[$pursDynasty]

Its actually sad. All the super teams are being formed by superstar friends. Kawhi doesn't appear to have any.
most of today's best players are weak willed emo millennials so I don't mind that the KingSlayer isn't spending quality time with them. The Spurs do need a recruiter though, maybe Dijon once he gets more established. He has connections, he just isn't established enough to be much of a draw yet. The 5 star elite talents probably look down on rags to riches (D-leaguers) like Verde and the Juice.

[Chinook]

The Paul deal definitely re-defines the market for PG. This is what Houston paid AFTER Paul had already agreed to join them. LAC got two prospects, a rotation player and a lightly protected first. Think LMA and a first with the same protection is at best equal to that.

[Mr. Body]

The Paul deal definitely re-defines the market for PG. This is what Houston paid AFTER Paul had already agreed to join them. LAC got two prospects, a rotation player and a lightly protected first. Think LMA and a first with the same protection is at best equal to that.

Why? Aldridge is an expiring and a malcontent.

[Chinook]

Why? Aldridge is an expiring and a malcontent.

You say that like it contradicts what I said.

[HarlemHeat37]

most of today's best players are weak willed emo millennials so I don't mind that the KingSlayer isn't spending quality time with them. The Spurs do need a recruiter though, maybe Dijon once he gets more established. He has connections, he just isn't established enough to be much of a draw yet. The 5 star elite talents probably look down on rags to riches (D-leaguers) like Verde and the Juice.

You have to adapt to the climate of the league, tbh..the Spurs have been very successful at doing that, but it can pass you by in an instant, just look at the Lakers..

If Kawhi has to tickle some balls to attract a FA, then he should already be doing it, tbh..I don't care if these old heads don't like how millenials act nowadays, that's life and they migt need to accept it if they want a championship roster..