German NT consistency and success

[dunkman]

After losing two WC finals to Italy in '82 and Argentina '86, it was a surprise to see the team reach the final again in '90 and win it very convincingly.

Holland couldn't do the same after losing the '74 and '78 finals.

Then after losing the '02 final to Brazil in their first ever mundial match, the team went to win it all in '14 demolishing Brazil in semi-finals and taking another final from Argentina.

The only team they have no answer against is Italy, that took Germany out at home in '06 to win it all vs Zidane's France.

And it's interesting to note that Germany didn't have the world best players in all those runs where they reached finals or won it all. It was more a thing of long term planning, good coaching and heart to get the results when absolutely needed.

Brazil used to be the most consistent NT, but it's debatable, since Germany made it more often to semi-finals in less attempts.

[DAF86]

Germany is obviously great but the luck they have had in penalty shootouts is unheard of. You can tell me penalty shootouts are not about luck and that is true to an extent, but winning I don't know how many penalty shootouts in a row is just unbelievable, no matter how good you are at it. It's probably the biggest statistical glitch of all professional sports. It's just impossible to win that many in a row in a thing that historically has proven to be 50/50.

[dfens]

After losing two WC finals to Italy in '82 and Argentina '86, it was a surprise to see the team reach the final again in '90 and win it very convincingly.

Holland couldn't do the same after losing the '74 and '78 finals.

Then after losing the '02 final to Brazil in their first ever mundial match, the team went to win it all in '14 demolishing Brazil in semi-finals and taking another final from Argentina.

The only team they have no answer against is Italy, that took Germany out at home in '06 to win it all vs Zidane's France.

And it's interesting to note that Germany didn't have the world best players in all those runs where they reached finals or won it all. It was more a thing of long term planning, good coaching and heart to get the results when absolutely needed.

Brazil used to be the most consistent NT, but it's debatable, since Germany made it more often to semi-finals in less attempts.

it's long term planning, compared to other countries we are truly commited to performance, we don't hope for the best (talent to pop up) but prepare for the worst.

Some key changes done in 2001 which led to great results 10 years later:
1. all german teams u15-u17-u19-u21-senior play the same style of football and all academies teach it. This style maximizes our best national traits : intelligent, organized and team-players.
2. the majority of academies are also schools. You read that right, we teach these kids mathematics, history, literature and all of that, because a smart and educated kid will lead to a smart and disciplined player. Also academies are in close contact with other industries to provide career opportunities for the many the kids who don't go pro.
3. team above all
4. we let coaches implement strategy, we don't panic
5. we're not chokers

TLDR: #1 we da bess.



Germany is obviously great but the luck they have had in penalty shootouts is unheard of. You can tell me penalty shootouts are not about luck and that is true to an extent, but winning I don't know how many penalty shootouts in a row is just unbelievable, no matter how good you are at it. It's probably the biggest statistical glitch of all professional sports. It's just impossible to win that many in a row in a thing that historically has proven to be 50/50.

:lol Unheard of
:lol This niglet doesn't even know his history. At the world cup, in penaldos, Germany is 4-0 and Argentina is 4-1
:lol We gave you that one loss while Argentina were monkeying unprofessionally and then turned bitchy after the loss. "The emotional pop came from the Argentina side. (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/jul/01/worldcup2006.sport9)". Sounds like you tbh.

[Canyonero]

Must be dat aryan blood tbh

[lefty]

Germany is obviously great but the luck they have had in penalty shootouts is unheard of. You can tell me penalty shootouts are not about luck and that is true to an extent, but winning I don't know how many penalty shootouts in a row is just unbelievable, no matter how good you are at it. It's probably the biggest statistical glitch of all professional sports. It's just impossible to win that many in a row in a thing that historically has proven to be 50/50.

Luck?

They are mentally strong unlike Missi

[DAF86]

:lol Unheard of
:lol This niglet doesn't even know his history. At the world cup, in penaldos, Germany is 4-0 and Argentina is 4-1
:lol We gave you that one loss while Argentina were monkeying unprofessionally and then turned bitchy after the loss. "The emotional pop came from the Argentina side. (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/jul/01/worldcup2006.sport9)". Sounds like you tbh.

Yeah, unheard of. What other fucking team won 4 straight penalty shootouts in a row? And I wasn't talking just about the WC, tbh.

[dfens]

Yeah, unheard of. What other fucking team won 4 straight penalty shootouts in a row? And I wasn't talking just about the WC, tbh.

such a big difference between 3-0 (argentina before messi) and 4-0 :rolleyes :lmao:lmao:lmao

[DAF86]

such a big difference between 3-0 (argentina before messi) and 4-0 :rolleyes :lmao:lmao:lmao

Well yeah, it's the difference between 100% and 75%. And you are omitting the fact that I wasn't talking just about WC's.

[lefty]

Both Argentina and Germany have cheated in the WC tbf

[140]

^tbh

[dfens]

Both Argentina and Germany have cheated in the WC tbf


^tbh

both jessi and penaldo have cheated on taxes tbh and we're still fans :lmao

[dfens]

Well yeah, it's the difference between 100% and 75%. And you are omitting the fact that I wasn't talking just about WC's.

we're 2-1 in uefa, one of which was the horror show from last year where we still won thanks to having better nerves then the italians. Being good at penaldos is not about luck, it's about keeping your cool and not missying, that's why we're so good.

[140]

both jessi and penaldo have cheated on taxes tbh and we're still fans :lmao
I'm not a fan of either tbh. And I wasn't being judgemental anyway, I was just saying

[Amuseddaysleeper]

This why Argentina didn't choke the WC final, Germany were always the heavy favorites. They have been a damn good team for much much longer than Argentina.

[dfens]

I'm not a fan of either tbh. And I wasn't being judgemental anyway, I was just saying

I am a fan of both and a fan of their fans :lol They're like Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy for me :lmao
We cheated tbh, no shame in admitting it, we also got cheated ... that's how it goes.


This why Argentina didn't choke the WC final, Germany were always the heavy favorites. They have been a damn good team for much much longer than Argentina.
When a team with the best defense, stacked talent and the would-be-GOAT loses a practically scoreless final it's called a choke tbh. We were never heavy favorites son, stop spinning it. Messi didn't pressure us, he had no GOAT moments, argentina depended on him and we made the best of it and got a ring.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I am a fan of both and a fan of their fans :lol They're like Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy for me :lmao
We cheated tbh, no shame in admitting it, we also got cheated ... that's how it goes.


When a team with the best defense, stacked talent and the would-be-GOAT loses a practically scoreless final it's called a choke tbh. We were never heavy favorites son, stop spinning it. Messi didn't pressure us, he had no GOAT moments, argentina depended on him and we made the best of it and got a ring.

Not true, Argentina had great defense, but they were scraping by throughout the tournament winning matches by one goal margins or a penalty shoot out. At no point in the WC could you say Argentina looked dominant. Germany on the other hand had far better depth, much better chemistry since half the team played for either Bayern or Dortmund (similar to the chemistry advantage Spain had during it's elite run). Germany had a much better goal differential heading into the SF, no way Argentina beats that Brazil team 7-1 (and I'm not even including that result in goal differential). Argentina had a great defense, and a mangled midfield and attack. It's much easier to zero in on Messi when you aren't worried about Huguain bottling it or Aguero being MIA and Di Maria giving the ball away more than any player in WC history (also had a record 51 give aways in a single match too). Having said that, he was still needed for the team and couldn't play in the final which was huge.

There was never any doubt Germany was the better team heading into that match, had better momentum, and while Argentina had the best player, Germany easily had the best team. They were a well oiled machine. Absolutely no shame for Argentina losing that match. The Chile losses in the finals were probably more frustrating since Argentina choked those, tbh. No shame in losing to the best Germany team we've had in a while, and the most consistent international team of the past 10 years in terms of going deep along with Spain.

Here were the betting odds heading into the final: http://soccer.oddsshark.com/world-cup/argentina-germany-odds-july-13-2014-676984

Everyone had Germany winning, and in the first 90 minutes as well. Googled some other articles about predictions at the time and at last 80% had Germany winning.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'm not a fan of either tbh. And I wasn't being judgemental anyway, I was just saying

Why don't you like Ronaldo?

[140]

Why don't you like Ronaldo?
Nothing against him, I'm just not really a fan or anything.

[DAF86]

I am a fan of both and a fan of their fans :lol They're like Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy for me :lmao
We cheated tbh, no shame in admitting it, we also got cheated ... that's how it goes.


When a team with the best defense, stacked talent and the would-be-GOAT loses a practically scoreless final it's called a choke tbh. We were never heavy favorites son, stop spinning it. Messi didn't pressure us, he had no GOAT moments, argentina depended on him and we made the best of it and got a ring.

"For the first time in the 2014 World Cup, Argentina is not favored to win their match. Bovada.lv has listed the betting odds of Germany winning the final in regulation time at +120. They have significantly better odds than Argentina, who comes in at +240."

http://www.ibtimes.com/germany-argentina-world-cup-2014-betting-odds-soccers-biggest-game-1624820

This fucking guy and his fucking lies (or ignorant opinions, one or the other). :lol


You got facts thrown at your face. This isn't debatable, this isn't a "your word against mine" type of thing. This is a pretty clear cut "who was the favourite coming into the final?" question, and the reality shows that Germany was by a considerable margin, so shut the fuck up and accept reality. Anything else you have to say on this matter will be just your typical retarded nonesense. Have a good day and fuck yourself.

[Canyonero]

Nothing against him, I'm just not really a fan or anything.

I used to be a fan



But now I'm an air conditioner.

[dfens]

"For the first time in the 2014 World Cup, Argentina is not favored to win their match. Bovada.lv has listed the betting odds of Germany winning the final in regulation time at +120. They have significantly better odds than Argentina, who comes in at +240."

http://www.ibtimes.com/germany-argentina-world-cup-2014-betting-odds-soccers-biggest-game-1624820

This fucking guy and his fucking lies (or ignorant opinions, one or the other). :lol


You got facts thrown at your face. This isn't debatable, this isn't a "your word against mine" type of thing. This is a pretty clear cut "who was the favourite coming into the final?" question, and the reality shows that Germany was by a considerable margin, so shut the fuck up and accept reality. Anything else you have to say on this matter will be just your typical retarded nonesense. Have a good day and fuck yourself.

why don't you put the odds before the tournament ?, brasil were 10/3, argentina 5/1 and germany 6/1. Of course after a tournament where misty showed nothing in knockout round the odds were in Germany's favor you faggy twink fan. Having the top defense, a stacked roster and misty is not enough to win a world cup :lmao If we had that we'd b2b2b.

[140]

^:lol damn

[DAF86]

why don't you put the odds before the tournament ?, brasil were 10/3, argentina 5/1 and germany 6/1. Of course after a tournament where misty showed nothing in knockout round the odds were in Germany's favor you faggy twink fan. Having the top defense, a stacked roster and misty is not enough to win a world cup :lmao If we had that we'd b2b2b.

Because the final isn't played before the tournament you fucking short minded dumbass. :lol

[dfens]

Because the final isn't played before the tournament you fucking short minded dumbass. :lol

you're telling me that twink misty chocked from better odds to lower odds during the tournament. Damn, even twink fans seeing the light :wow

[DAF86]

you're telling me that twink misty chocked from better odds to lower odds during the tournament. Damn, even twink fans seeing the light :wow

Everybody that knew shit knew that Germany was the number one favourite coming into 2014, tbh. I predicted them to win right here on ST, tbh.

[dfens]

Everybody that knew shit knew that Germany was the number one favourite coming into 2014, tbh. I predicted them to win right here on ST, tbh.

So because everybody that knew shit you felt the need to reinforce your argument by posting the odds exactly before the final (when they fit your narrative) but not the odds before the tournament (when they didn't fit). :lmao why not post the odds after the final tbh? :lmao
The odds in the final were that way because:
1. it's written Germany on the kit and you know the players are going to show up. You gave us that argentina roster and they'd put as 1.25/1 odds right there on the spot.
2. misty was just another player in the knockout stages, the would be goat with his usual NT shenanigans.


also, another day another final for the GOAT country :toast

[DAF86]

So because everybody that knew shit you felt the need to reinforce your argument by posting the odds exactly before the final (when they fit your narrative) but not the odds before the tournament (when they didn't fit). :lmao why not post the odds after the final tbh? :lmao
The odds in the final were that way because:
1. it's written Germany on the kit and you know the players are going to show up. You gave us that argentina roster and they'd put as 1.25/1 odds right there on the spot.
2. misty was just another player in the knockout stages, the would be goat with his usual NT shenanigans.


also, another day another final for the GOAT country :toast

Brazil isn't in the final, tbh. Or you mean GOAT country at losing World Wars?

[dfens]

Brazil isn't in the final, tbh. Or you mean GOAT country at losing World Wars?

brasil hasn't been relevant in 15 years son. talk shit about losing war to a german :lmao nigga we went 1 v all and almost won :lmao you're granddaddies were stanning us hard :lmao

[140]

brasil hasn't been relevant in 15 years son. talk shit about losing war to a german :lmao nigga we went 1 v all and almost won :lmao you're granddaddies were stanning us hard :lmao
:lmao fuck

[dfens]

damn these niggas at the federation really knew what they were doing by splitting up the rosters like that, they're trying to get both competitions while resting the first team :wow
excellent tactics against u21 spain (great team tbh!), we really threw them off their game.

[DAF86]

brasil hasn't been relevant in 15 years son. talk shit about losing war to a german :lmao nigga we went 1 v all and almost won :lmao you're granddaddies were stanning us hard :lmao

:lmao

[dfens]

:lmao

son are you not tired of getting so ruthlessly destroyed? :lmao

[Canyonero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgqlqGyXqXk

[spursistan]

Yeah, let's talk about PK luck to explain nearly a 40-year long track of record of going deep in almost every Continental and WC event..:lol..

Germany are easily the best tournament team in the history (most Finals/top 4 finishes in both Euro/WC)..Their only real fuckups were the 2000/2004 Euros..And that's around where their master plan to revolutionize their soccer program began-- the results of which are here..

881604124285992961

[DAF86]

Yeah, let's talk about PK luck to explain nearly a 40-year long track of record of going deep in almost every Continental and WC event..:lol..

Germany are easily the best tournament team in the history (most Finals/top 4 finishes in both Euro/WC)..Their only real fuckups were the 2000/2004 Euros..And that's around where their master plan to revolutionize their soccer program began-- the results of which are here..

881604124285992961

Didn't I start the sentence saying "they are obviously great"? But besides greatness, you also need a little bit of luck to be constantly making at least the semis in every tournament for I don't know how many years. Specially in tournaments with knock out stages. A penalty shootout can make the difference between a round of 16 exit or a final appearance.

[DAF86]

son are you not tired of getting so ruthlessly destroyed? :lmao

You were the ones that got ruthlessly destroyed in those World Wars, tbh. :lol

BTW, congrats on making it official that you won't win in 2018, tbh. :toast

[140]

son are you not tired of getting so ruthlessly destroyed? :lmao
Son congrats on beating Chile with your C team tbh...some people failed to do that not once but twice and with one of the best supporting casts in football..

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Son congrats on beating Chile with your C team tbh...some people failed to do that not once but twice and with one of the best supporting casts in football..

But enough about Portugal failing miserably in a Tournament where many teams brought their c squads.

Ronaldo :lmao

[DAF86]

Portugal's coach should have gone with the winning strategy of the Euro: pulling a Sidenaldo. It worked in the 3rd place match.

[Jodelo]

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/19657079_446793052370771_934938077163782599_n.jpg? efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=a1084d290fce0a2bc1b6b5788c4a30ce&oe=59D674B2

What could have been... 3 titles in a row...

[DAF86]

With Messi: WC finalist.
Without Messi: doesn't even qualify for the WC.

[dfens]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgqlqGyXqXk
:lmao

You were the ones that got ruthlessly destroyed in those World Wars, tbh. :lol

BTW, congrats on making it official that you won't win in 2018, tbh. :toast

be honest bro, did you cry for chile? how did it feel? :lol

[dfens]

Yeah, let's talk about PK luck to explain nearly a 40-year long track of record of going deep in almost every Continental and WC event..:lol..

Germany are easily the best tournament team in the history (most Finals/top 4 finishes in both Euro/WC)..Their only real fuckups were the 2000/2004 Euros..And that's around where their master plan to revolutionize their soccer program began-- the results of which are here..

881604124285992961
damn right tbh, we the best :toast:toast

Didn't I start the sentence saying "they are obviously great"? But besides greatness, you also need a little bit of luck to be constantly making at least the semis in every tournament for I don't know how many years. Specially in tournaments with knock out stages. A penalty shootout can make the difference between a round of 16 exit or a final appearance.
You're arguing that stats over 40 years are lucky :lmao just think that we won at penaldos against weaker teams, we were unlucky to get there in the first place tbh.


Son congrats on beating Chile with your C team tbh...some people failed to do that not once but twice and with one of the best supporting casts in football..

son thanks tbh :toast people might finally start to realize that you don't need a stacked roster to consistently win tournaments at the NT level and start investing and maintaining their youth programs. hopefully. I mean the boys on the field are talented but coaching+system won in this one tbh.


Portugal's coach should have gone with the winning strategy of the Euro: pulling a Sidenaldo. It worked in the 3rd place match.
[QUOTE=Jodelo;9073442]https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/19657079_446793052370771_934938077163782599_n.jpg? efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=a1084d290fce0a2bc1b6b5788c4a30ce&oe=59D674B2
damn tbh :wow:wow just like that on the first reply :lol:lol

[Venti Quattro]

Germany won the U21 Euros and the Confed with two youth squads. Lmao

[DAF86]

be honest bro, did you cry for chile? how did it feel? :lol

I was pulling for you sons. So that there is a contender already without possibilities of winning next year, tbh.

P/S: I want to believe you realized what Canyonero was doing there and just laughed at it because you were being a good sport, right? :lol

[dfens]

I was pulling for you sons. So that there is a contender already without possibilities of winning next year, tbh.

P/S: I want to believe you realized what Canyonero (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49822) was doing there and just laughed at it because you were being a good sport, right? :lol

One less contender for who son? Argentina who might not even qualify? :lmao Brasil rated properly at7/1 ? :lmao Chile who got manhandled by our C team? Uruguay (seriously?!)? You're stanning Euro teams now? :lol Yes, it's hard to repeat, but in no way is the Confederations Cup relevant (with the C team), unless you are some superstitious primitive.
also hiding behind Canyonero (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49822) 's e-skirt like a little boy tbh :lmao

[Canyonero]

Pls stop fighting :cry:cry

[pgardn]

losing war to a german :lmao nigga we went 1 v all and almost won :lmao you're granddaddies were stanning us hard :lmao

With the Americans fighting the Japanese in the Pacific... The great German History machine lives on the lie.

And if the US had not been in interested in Berlin and elsewhere, you would be speaking Russian and playing football to their level. Once the US entered the war, Germany was done. The real manufacturing machine was born. Credit to the Germans though, they fought on so that complete annihilation was necessary. They asked for a bonfire in Dresden and got it. Melted steel.

Live on Nazi nut sucker...

[Canyonero]

:wow

[dfens]

With the Americans fighting the Japanese in the Pacific... The great German History machine lives on the lie.
And if the US had not been in interested in Berlin and elsewhere, you would be speaking Russian and playing football to their level. Once the US entered the war, Germany was done. The real manufacturing machine was born. Credit to the Germans though, they fought on so that complete annihilation was necessary. They asked for a bonfire in Dresden and got it. Melted steel.
Live on Nazi nut sucker...
you must be an ArseAnal fan tbh.


Pls stop fighting :cry:cry
sorry to have talked about your e-skirt my nigga :lol

[ElNono]

luck, IMO

[DAF86]

With the Americans fighting the Japanese in the Pacific... The great German History machine lives on the lie.

And if the US had not been in interested in Berlin and elsewhere, you would be speaking Russian and playing football to their level. Once the US entered the war, Germany was done. The real manufacturing machine was born. Credit to the Germans though, they fought on so that complete annihilation was necessary. They asked for a bonfire in Dresden and got it. Melted steel.

Live on Nazi nut sucker...

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-13-2015/kUrJiF.gif

[dfens]

:lol you know your NT hasn't done shit when you trash talk about shit 100 years ago.
:lol An argentine talking trash about nazis, that's like talking trash to your mirror
:lol Lmao any military would be proud of what we the Wehrmacht accomplished then tbh.

that being said here's Joggi Löw bullying you niggas some more, with no regard for human. We got #1 and #2 best teams in the world, deal with it tbh :hat



Joachim Löw: "Before the Confederations Cup final, Arturo Vidal said that a victory would mean Chile are the best team in the world. Well, this cup means that at the moment Germany is still the best team in the world. And with a young side."
https://streamable.com/3vbx7

[DAF86]

Being a Nazi in the 21st century. :lol

[Phenomanul]

I don't know that dfens is necessarily defending Nazi ideology... Me thinks he is just defending German pride. Having nationalistic pride is not the same as being xenophobic. THAT said, there is a fine line when it comes to glorifying the carnage of the German war machine...

[dfens]

I don't know that dfens is necessarily defending Nazi ideology... Me thinks he is just defending German pride. Having nationalistic pride is not the same as being xenophobic. THAT said, there is a fine line when it comes to glorifying the carnage of the German war machine...

son you know I don't endorse doing horrible shit tbh, some faggots in this thread are just triggered by us getting rings tbh :lmao wehrmacht had nothing to do with those loonies in the SS. The loonies were poor planners, poor economists, crazy people with inane ideas, no sane person would want to have anything to do with 'em. Just psychopaths and sociopaths tbh, the rest of the people did what every other society does, follow the leader. I mean lmao us has democratically elected trump, fuck more proof is needed to show people are dumb and will vote for insane shit if the stars align.

and damn right I'm proud of our nation, just count the shitload of stuff we invented or the music we made, etc, we're the #1 engineers / scientists in the modern world, 'merica went to the moon with our rockets, bombed japan with stuff discovered by our scientists (Einstein was born and lived in Ulm), etc.

and tbh (real talk here) you can find more far right / nazis in argentina and england these days.

[Phenomanul]

son you know I don't endorse doing horrible shit tbh, some faggots in this thread are just triggered by us getting rings tbh :lmao wehrmacht had nothing to do with those loonies in the SS. The loonies were poor planners, poor economists, crazy people with inane ideas, no sane person would want to have anything to do with 'em. Just psychopaths and sociopaths tbh, the rest of the people did what every other society does, follow the leader. I mean lmao us has democratically elected trump, fuck more proof is needed to show people are dumb and will vote for insane shit if the stars align.

and damn right I'm proud of our nation, just count the shitload of stuff we invented or the music we made, etc, we're the #1 engineers / scientists in the modern world, 'merica went to the moon with our rockets, bombed japan with stuff discovered by our scientists (Einstein was born and lived in Ulm), etc.

and tbh (real talk here) you can find more far right / nazis in argentina and england these days.

My favorite composers (Ludwig van Beethoven and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart) were both "German" though technically Mozart was Austrian (German in the broader sense of German culture)... tbh I love Germany other than the blotch and stigma the crazy Nazi's left behind. I'll be visiting in late September... and perhaps even October for Oktoberfest...

[Canyonero]

lol Nazis

[dfens]

My favorite composers (Ludwig van Beethoven and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart) were both "German" though technically Mozart was Austrian (German in the broader sense of German culture)... tbh I love Germany other than the blotch and stigma the crazy Nazi's left behind. I'll be visiting in late September... and perhaps even October for Oktoberfest...

Tbh Austrians ARE Germans, and so is half of Switzerland. Not Germanic (e.g. Dutch) but really German. The Anschluss didn't happen by mistake tbh, and if it weren't for ww2 we'd probably be the same country today. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Question

We'll never get away from the past son, no question about this one, we just accept and some of us who aren't stuck with a 10 ft pole in the ass can even joke about it.

September is great for visiting tbh, Oktober is so-so depending on weather (rain).

[dfens]

lol Nazis

lol midget Nazis.

[Canyonero]

lol midget Nazis.

Manu and the Golden Generation disagree

[Phenomanul]

Tbh Austrians ARE Germans, and so is half of Switzerland. Not Germanic (e.g. Dutch) but really German. The Anschluss didn't happen by mistake tbh, and if it weren't for ww2 we'd probably be the same country today. See: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Question

We'll never get away from the past son, no question about this one, we just accept and some of us who aren't stuck with a 10 ft pole in the ass can even joke about it.

September is great for visiting tbh, Oktober is so-so depending on weather (rain).

Good history lesson... thanks for sharing...