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baseline bum
06-27-2017, 08:14 PM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/few-teams-have-done-less-with-more-than-the-clippers/
JUN. 27, 2017 AT 4:29 PM
Few Teams Have Done Less With More Than The Clippers
By Neil Paine

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We may not see these three players together again. ANDREW D. BERNSTEIN / NBAE VIA GETTY IMAGES


Although it didn't exactly come as a shock to NBA observers, both Chris Paul and Blake Griffin of the Los Angeles Clippers opted out of their contracts last week, creating the real possibility that LA's recent run of relevance is coming to an end. And if the end is near for “Lob City,” it would mean one of the sports franchises most associated with failure somehow managed to fail even when it was winning games. Few NBA teams have ever accomplished so little with so much talent.

With 313 wins since Paul joined the team for the 2011-12 season, the Clippers own the league's third-best record over that span. They're coming off what is unquestionably the best six-year period in franchise history. Paul is a bona fide Point God, and with Griffin and center DeAndre Jordan, he gave LA a Big 3 that could theoretically go toe-to-toe with the league's other star-powered trios. In terms of personal honors, Paul has few statistical peers in history among point guards, while Griffin and Jordan made seven combined All-NBA teams. By numerous team and individual standards, the partnership has been a rousing success.

But when dissecting this Clippers squad, there's always the unfortunate matter of the playoffs to address. Because despite all those victories and accolades, LA has won only three measly playoff series in its Big 3 era and never advanced past the conference semifinals — a truly weak performance for a team with so much regular-season success.

We can measure just how disappointing the Clippers have been with a system called “playoff success points,” which I've used before to judge a team's performance in the NBA postseason. Teams rack up points for winning series and advancing further into the playoffs. A championship is always worth 1,000 points; losing in the Finals, 500; losing in the conference finals, 250; and so forth. Since 2012, the Clippers have accumulated only 562.5 playoff success points, less than half as many as we'd expect based on their regular-season record:

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Going back to the 1976 NBA-ABA merger, no other team has won at least 320 regular-season games in a six-year span and accumulated anywhere near as few playoff success points as the 2012-17 LA Clippers did. (The next-closest were the David Robinson-led 1990-95 San Antonio Spurs, another team known for falling short on the cusp of greatness.)

And LA's star power makes its shortfall even harder to understand. In the CP3-Blake-DeAndre era, the Clippers have been home to 17 individual seasons where a player logged at least 20 percent of available minutes and posted a Box Plus/Minus (BPM) of +3 or better (those cutoffs roughly give you a star-level season): Six by Paul, six by Griffin, four by Jordan and one by Matt Barnes. Only 17 times since the merger has a franchise boasted so many star-level seasons in a six-year span, and they usually come from dynastic teams (Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls; Tim Duncan's San Antonio Spurs) or would-be dynasties like the Stockton-to-Malone Utah Jazz and the Philadelphia 76ers of the early 1980s. Once again, the Big 3-era Clippers have enjoyed the least amount of postseason success of any team in that group:

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None of this is to say that the Clippers' core should be blown up; after all, players of Paul and Griffin's caliber don't grow on trees. Nor do the duo's opt-outs necessarily mean either (or both) won't be back in LA next season anyway. The Clippers can still pay each substantially more money than either could get elsewhere, should LA choose to offer them max deals. Griffin and Jordan will still be under 30 next year, and CP3 is coming off his best statistical season as a Clipper (when he was healthy).

So the tank is hardly empty in LA. But with fabled exec Jerry West leaving the champion Golden State Warriors to join the Clippers as a front-office consultant, a Big 3 breakup wouldn't come as a total surprise, either. And if that does happen, the Clippers and their fans can only look back at the last six seasons with regret over what might have been.

LkrFan
06-27-2017, 08:17 PM
Clipper Nation get your hummingbird ass in here and :downspin: this shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! :rollin :lmao :rollin

Chucho
06-27-2017, 09:20 PM
Can't be spun. Only solace he can take is, "at least they aren't the Lakers." and he'd be right.

rastaspur
06-27-2017, 09:42 PM
Hard to spin that which is blatantly obvious. Cp3 is the head of that snake. Hence my reservation of him landing in San antonio

Will Hunting
06-27-2017, 09:52 PM
I still fail to see why people consider the Clippers such a talented, underachieving team. They're built around an undersized injury prone power forward and a point guard who was a quarter away from the conference finals and decided to defer to Jannero Pargo. They're simply not that good of a team and they're especially not built well for the playoffs.

Thread
06-27-2017, 11:31 PM
You had 23 on State & fled the side door.

You've nary room.

baseline bum
06-28-2017, 04:50 PM
:lol Balmer
:lol West
:lol Coc

Clipper Nation
06-28-2017, 05:22 PM
That's Choke Paul's legacy right there. Have fun with that, Rockets.

LkrFan
06-28-2017, 05:24 PM
That's Choke Paul's legacy right there. Have fun with that, Rockets.

CN in the Angry phase of grief? :lol

The Gemini Method
06-28-2017, 05:43 PM
I'd say that what they had for the past 6 years did give pause to something watchable. The other L.A. team is still in the doldrums hoping that we'll find land soon enough. It was fun while it lasted.

djohn2oo8
06-28-2017, 06:37 PM
Supposedly Austin Rivers has been going around during the season with a superstar diva attitude, angering other players.

TimDunkem
06-28-2017, 06:41 PM
Supposedly Austin Rivers has been going around during the season with a superstar diva attitude, angering other players.
I heard CP3 was pissed that Doc was unwilling to let him go if it made the team better.

baseline bum
06-28-2017, 06:43 PM
Tell me Rivers is out after this. Or better yet, tell me he's staying so the Spurs have a chance to swipe Griffin away.

djohn2oo8
06-28-2017, 06:48 PM
I heard CP3 was pissed that Doc was unwilling to let him go if it made the team better.
Yes this was the case too. Rivers would yell at every player but his son.

LkrFan
06-28-2017, 06:49 PM
Yes this was the case too. Rivers would yell at every player but his son.

Spare the rod you'll spoil the child :lol

Clipper Nation
06-28-2017, 06:50 PM
I heard CP3 was pissed that Doc was unwilling to let him go if it made the team better.
He could have gotten Doc fired at any time over the last few years. Instead, he said nothing while Doc wasted years of his prime. He's just using Doc and Austin as easy scapegoats on his way out of town. Doc and his kid still need to GTFO anyway, though.

Mark Celibate
06-28-2017, 07:29 PM
I still fail to see why people consider the Clippers such a talented, underachieving team. They're built around an undersized injury prone power forward and a point guard who was a quarter away from the conference finals and decided to defer to Jannero Pargo. They're simply not that good of a team and they're especially not built well for the playoffs.

that was still one of the weirdest games I've ever seen. 4th quarter, game 7, chance to go to the WCF and all of a sudden Pargo is going coast to coast jacking up shots for almost the entire quarter :lol

If I remember they were down 10 and Pargo almost brought them all the way back too. I kind of remember Pargo just ignoring everyone the entire time without Paul even getting a chance to touch the ball but still it was strange to see that nobody was willing to step in and give him a short leash on his chucking

Biggems
06-28-2017, 10:22 PM
The Lakers have been on the ropes for several years, the Clippers had a chance to make some noise, but all that came out was some stank ass queef from those overpaid and overhyped pussies. Meanwhile, the Lakers are steadily improving their roster and are poised to once again jettison the Clippers back into the shadows, from wenst they came.

The only franchise more embarrassing than the Clippers is the modern Cleveland Browns, and that is saying a lot with the likes of the Detroit Lions, 76ers, Knicks, and Cubs (prior to last season) running around.

But hey, at least Doc got his worthless ass son tons of unwarranted minutes and a fat contract (far fatter than it should have been for such a shitty player).

Biggems
06-28-2017, 10:24 PM
Supposedly Austin Rivers has been going around during the season with a superstar diva attitude, angering other players.

well, when daddy lets you drive his lexus and park in his spot, it tends to go to your head.