CP3 traded to Rockets

[Pound the rock]

Just saw on espn

[sammy]

Me too. I don't think he would've worked for the Spurs! He's not Spurs material and too much money! Ball hog Harden is not going to want to give the ball to CP3 and watching them fight over it will be fun! LOL!

[Dverde]

Not fake news

[sananspursfan21]

Eh, probably good tbh. A lot of money for a slow 30+ point guard. The Spurs have been slowly but surely shedding the "old guy" schtick, he would bring back the "too old" crap all over again.

[Ice009]

No shit, mate.

[sananspursfan21]

He'd be good for next season then after that be just a headache to watch get burned by virtually every other point guard on the other side of the ball

[SuperCam]

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PAFTO staying pat again :bang

[Play Boban]

Good news. Makes Rubio more likely.

[Uriel]

:pctoss

[Avitus1]

They traded him for Patrick Beverly, Sam Dekker, Lou Williams, and a 2018 First round pick.

[Dverde]

Seems like tampering between Rockets and Clippers. He doesn't opt in without knowing what would happen. Doc and Morey doing the league dirty.

[sananspursfan21]

Patrick Beverly buyout would be awesome :hat

[gambit1990]

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PAFTO staying pat again :bang
:lmao

fucking ridiculous if true.

[Snaq O'Meal]

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PAFTO staying pat again :bang

Only way to make sure Parker achieves his personal goal of playing for the Spurs till he's 40.

[gambit1990]

Only way to make sure Parker achieves his personal goal of playing for the Spurs till he's 40.
:lol
:depressed

[mudyez]

I'm relieved we didn't get him.

[Ice009]

If the Spurs are unwilling to trade Tony Parker to make the team better, Kawhi needs to ask for a trade to LA right now.

[TimDunkem]

Seems like tampering between Rockets and Clippers. He doesn't opt in without knowing what would happen. Doc and Morey doing the league dirty.
:lmao This guy. Everyone tempers, man. They were talking about it openly about Draymond and KD in the Finals.

[TimDunkem]

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PAFTO staying pat again :bang
TP is literally hurting the team now.

But he'll be back and better than ever to take Murray's minutes after Feb!

[Mr. Body]

Tough doling out 35 million a year or whatever for a PG who will be really old.

[Ron Swanson]

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PAFTO staying pat again :bang

ESPN alert I just got said we were planning to aggressively pursue him. They don't know shit.

[Spur|n|Austin]

ESPN alert I just got said we were planning to aggressively pursue him. They don't know shit.

In free agency, not in a trade scenario.

[Uriel]

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[NASpurs]

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PAFTO staying pat again :bang

They probably want to give Murray the keys to the car.

[Trill Clinton]

Tough doling out 35 million a year or whatever for a PG who will be really old.

Yup. It will be deja Vu all over again when cp3 is an old and slow 34-35 year old on a 200+mil contract:loser

[tholdren]

They probably want to give Murray the keys to the car.

And rightfully so.

[Mal]

Patrick Beverly buyout would be awesome :hat

Not happening. Starter for 2years at 6mil per year. Boston is not willing to trade Crowder, because of lowball deal he has.

[rjv]

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PAFTO staying pat again :bang so this is interesting, if true. makes one wonder if CP3 was really plan A after all. perhaps he was just one of many considerations. still, i don't know of any other "meetings" that the spurs FO has set up.

[$pursDynasty]

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of course he says that now.

[Ice009]

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Fucking hilarious. People here said that he would be too ball dominant and he actually wants to play off the ball. Fuck him. I guess he doesn't think Kawhi is good enough partner to play off the ball with. I hope Kawhi destroys them all.

[davidbowie]

haha everyone hates us

well expect the true bad asses like richard jefferson and lamarcus aldridge :rollin

[Poolboy5623]

With free agents wanting nothing to do with sa, imagine the shit storm the Spurs would be in had they not traded for kawhi :(

[Dverde]

Durant setting the trend...go to teams that beat you in the playoffs. I guess Utah wasn't interested.

[tmtcsc]

Only way to make sure Parker achieves his personal goal of playing for the Spurs till he's 40.

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[Horse]

How does dribble 30 times work in 7 seconds or less.

[spurraider21]

How does dribble 30 times work in 7 seconds or less.
Horse = Pavlov??

[TimDunkem]

How does dribble 30 times work in 7 seconds or less.
He's an elite mid-range shooter and great 3 point shooter now. He'll have a blast playing off the ball more.

[tmtcsc]

They probably want to give Murray the keys to the car.

No way in hell. They like Murray but he isn't close to being ready for the keys.

[DJR210]

I'm relieved we didn't get him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Never wanted him, as I've been saying for months..too old and his style of play helps role players but hurts other stars..can't even imagine how 2 of the 3 most ball-dominant players in the league will fit together..

To be fair, I highly doubt he was ever going to join the Spurs, regardless of what reports will say..Spurs will never attract a superstar player, tbh..the best they'll ever do is unmarketable All-Stars like Aldridge or drafting quiet, non-flashy guys like Duncan and Kawhi..

[-21-]

Blessing in disguise tbh.

[NASpurs]

No way in hell. They like Murray but he isn't close to being ready for the keys.

They might not have a choice honestly unless you think bringing in injury prone George Hill is an option.

[rastaspur]

Did not want. Fine by me

[benefactor]

He's an elite mid-range shooter and great 3 point shooter now. He'll have a blast playing off the ball more.
Thankfully the offense has nothing to do with mid-range jumpers.

[TimDunkem]

Thankfully the offense has nothing to do with mid-range jumpers.
Yeah. They totally won't make small changes for CP3.

[benefactor]

Yeah. They totally won't make small changes for CP3.
Morey hates midrange shots too.

D'Antoni has been running the same offense for decades. He's not changing anything.

[Ice009]

They might not have a choice honestly unless you think bringing in injury prone George Hill is an option.

Anyone have his injury history since leaving the Spurs? I wouldn't mind seeing it.

[Ditty]

CP3 would of been nice, but may have not been worth it long term especially with two young point guards.

As for CP3 in Houston it is not a good fit. Harden was actually doing really well in his role in pringles system. We will see how CP3 does playing off the ball.

Spurs will not run with the same team as last season. They will probably not change much, and probably don't need too. It will be interesting who they go after now especially when they get rid of Aldridge next month.

[Robz4000]

:lol what an awkward fit. This is gonna be the dwert-led Lakers all over again.

[SPURt]

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Tony saving the Spurs from an unstomachable contract in his final act as a relevant name with the Spurs. Thank you TP! Also glad Beverley is no longer a Rocket.

[TimDunkem]

Morey hates midrange shots too.

D'Antoni has been running the same offense for decades. He's not changing anything. CP3 isn't suddenly going to stop doing one of the things he's elite at.

[TimDunkem]

:lol what an awkward fit. This is gonna be the dwert-led Lakers all over again.
Nah. He'll play off the ball a little more and save energy for D, get more efficient shots, and shooters will flock to play with him and the Harden.

[benefactor]

CP3 isn't suddenly going to stop doing one of the things he's elite at.
Then it will be a beautiful clusterfuck. I don't see how Harden, Paul and D'Antoni's offense are going to work together. Paul or Harden alone works...but with players that need the ball it's going to fall flat.

[benefactor]

Nah. He'll play off the ball a little more and save energy for D, get more efficient shots, and shooters will flock to play with him and the Harden.
So Paul is going to play off the ball? Now I've heard it all.:lol

[rjv]

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well, if one follows this logic the spurs will not pursue hill.

[TimDunkem]

So Paul is going to play off the ball? Now I've heard it all.:lol
It's been stated that CP3 wants that.

[TimDunkem]

Then it will be a beautiful clusterfuck. I don't see how Harden, Paul and D'Antoni's offense are going to work together. Paul or Harden alone works...but with players that need the ball it's going to fall flat.Either one of them can play off the ball more. I'm sure they'll figure it out.

[Pound the rock]

I'm conflicted, I mean I don't want KL prime wasted, CP3 has high basketball IQ , offense , leadership, things that were lacking in the WCF

[Maddog]

It will be interesting how he adapts. He definitely has the shot to play off the ball, but am completely unaware if he has ever done this even in limited situations. One option would be 30 minutes a game with only 15 minutes overlapping with Harden. I can see ways to make this work

He's 32 undersized- so the loss of Beverly will really dent their D even more.

Given the Clipps basically got junk and a late 1st rounder sort of shows you his market. This move definitely doesn't move the Rockets past GS, and possibly not past the Spurs. I think short term they may improve, but long term this could have serious consequences...

[tdunk21]

Never wanted him, as I've been saying for months..too old and his style of play helps role players but hurts other stars..can't even imagine how 2 of the 3 most ball-dominant players in the league will fit together..

To be fair, I highly doubt he was ever going to join the Spurs, regardless of what reports will say..Spurs will never attract a superstar player, tbh..the best they'll ever do is unmarketable All-Stars like Aldridge or drafting quiet, non-flashy guys like Duncan and Kawhi..

Typical Spurs Off-season

[benefactor]

It's been stated that CP3 wants that.
Yeah...and Aldridge was cool with deferring to Leonard too.

Paul may say that and might do it for a bit, but as you said...he's not giving up who he is. He'll revert back to dribble, dribble, dribble eventually.

[Seventyniner]

Time for David Stern to step in the ring, hit Adam Silver over the head with a chair, and veto the trade.

[gambit1990]

the rockets are gonna tear it up. can't wait to see them play. two of the best passers in the league on the same team... in dantoni's system... gonna be wild.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah...and Aldridge was cool with deferring to Leonard too.

Paul may say that and might do it for a bit, but as you said...he's not giving up who he is. He'll revert back to dribble, dribble, dribble eventually.
He expends less energy. And even if he doesn't, Harden can play off the ball too.

[benefactor]

Either one of them can play off the ball more. I'm sure they'll figure it out.
They likely won't, but we'll agree to disagree.

[313]

Thank God.

[TimDunkem]

the rockets are gonna tear it up. can't wait to see them play. two of the best passers in the league on the same team... in dantoni's system... gonna be wild.
I agree. People are overthinking this.

Either way, it was a no-brainer for them considering was they gave up.

[RD2191]

Spur fan trying to downplay this move by Houston, this definitely puts them past the Spurs next season. Harden played with westbrook so he knows how to play with a ball dominant guard. They pretty much upgraded their PG to a star and that's going to make them worse? OK :lol

[benefactor]

This will be a fun bump after they go out in the conference semis again next season.

[TimDunkem]

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[NASpurs]

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[cd021]

Guess he did us a favor, Spurs need to show up at Hill or Lowry's bedroom window with a boombox and wearing their hearts on their sleeve.:lol

[gospursgojas]

Isn't he a free agent. So is he signing w them or what?

[TimDunkem]

Guess he did us a favor, Spurs need to show up at Hill or Lowry's bedroom window with a boombox and wearing their hearts on their sleeve.:lol
Fuck George Hill.

[Ice009]

Guess he did us a favor, Spurs need to show up at Hill or Lowry's bedroom window with a boombox and wearing their hearts on their sleeve.:lol

They also need to wear a shirt saying "Hey, Kawhi's not coming here to recruit, so please sign with us."

[TimDunkem]

Isn't he a free agent. So is he signing w them or what?
Read the tweet... It's a sign and trade.

[SpurPadre]

This offseason just gets worse and worse...

[tholdren]

He expends less energy. And even if he doesn't, Harden can play off the ball too.

He will be a notch below nash, with similar style of play.

[BillMc]

Guess he did us a favor, Spurs need to show up at Hill or Lowry's bedroom window with a boombox and wearing their hearts on their sleeve.:lol
:lol

[gambit1990]

Harden played with westbrook so he knows how to play with a ball dominant guard. They pretty much upgraded their PG to a star and that's going to make them worse? OK :lol
exactly what i was gonna say :lol

adding an all time great PG that's hungry to win and some people are here like, "i don't see how it's gonna work."

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[MannyIsGod]

I honestly don't understand why you go after a ball dominant player only to make him non ball dominant at this point in his career when that is his entire schtick. Its pretty obvious Paul just badly wanted out of LA. I wouldn't want the Spurs to have paid his Clippers opt in price anyway. Paul got what he wanted, his full contract and out of LA. I don't think this makes Houston a stronger team though.

[sasaint]

Patrick Beverly buyout would be awesome :hat

Please!

[KDKSpurs24]

I feel like they might make it work. They will have sets for both guys to have opportunities to playmake for shooters. And both guys can shoot as well whenever they play off ball. People are already knocking this just because they are both ball dominant but they're gonna feel so relieved when they can share that role. Just wait. They will be good unfortunately.

With that being said, I'm kind of glad we didn't get him due to his age but I hope we can get Kawhi some help that fits his style of play so he won't leave us when his contract is up.

[elemento]

Read the tweet... It's a sign and trade.

Nah. CP3 opted it.

[sasaint]

I'm relieved we didn't get him.

Me, too; however, I never believed there was much of a chance. I was never convinced he was our principal target anyway.

[TimDunkem]

Nah. CP3 opted it.
My bad. Just a trade. Either way it's for a few bags of chips.

[sasaint]

They probably want to give Murray the keys to the car.

YES! :tu

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I honestly don't understand why you go after a ball dominant player only to make him non ball dominant at this point in his career when that is his entire schtick. Its pretty obvious Paul just badly wanted out of LA. I wouldn't want the Spurs to have paid his Clippers opt in price anyway. Paul got what he wanted, his full contract and out of LA. I don't think this makes Houston a stronger team though.

This. There's only one basketball. Now you have two ball dominant guys? Okay, one's going to play off the ball. Great, you just made him easy to defend off the ball, and we're still focused on who has the rock.

[Ice009]

This. There's only one basketball. Now you have two ball dominant guys? Okay, one's going to play off the ball. Great, you just made him easy to defend off the ball, and we're still focused on who has the rock.

The thing is, Harden has been a 3rd option, he knows how to do it and how to play off the ball. They'll be good. They're not going to suck.

[DAF86]

PATFO unwillingness to make bold trades just costed them a WCF trip for next season. Rockets were already hard enough, now that they added our daddy Chris Paul we have no chance against them.

[HarlemHeat37]

Their offense will be fine, after they adjust, D'Antoni is an offense God..it doesn't maximize their skills, though, since they'll always be redundant and won't have the size/athleticism to negate it like LeBron/Wade..

It will be fun to watch, though..I'm very interested in seeing whether Harden and Paul can adapt..also want to see if Harden increases his defensive activity with less offensive burden..

They'll be the favorites to be 2nd best in the West and ahead of the Spurs, though, but still not even in the same stratosphere as the Warriors..

[NASpurs]

Every play is going to be a lob to Clint Capela, no matter if it's Harden or CP3 on the pick and roll.

[TimDunkem]

This. There's only one basketball. Now you have two ball dominant guys? Okay, one's going to play off the ball. Great, you just made him easy to defend off the ball, and we're still focused on who has the rock.
How many possessions are in the average NBA game? No one is doing full-time anything. They will split PG and off-ball duties. Stop overthinking basketball in an attempt to convince yourself that this is bad for them and good for us.

[gambit1990]

i don't see what the spurs can do to be better than the rockets.

especially because the spurs won't lose parker.

[Chillen]

Well Spurs can still try and sign Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose so it's not the end of the world. I am happy there is another strong team in the West but I don't see this Rockets team beating the Warriors as is. Also CP3 is injury prone. Oh well, didn't see this coming.

[TimDunkem]

Derrick Rose. :lol

The guy is literally stupid, wants too much money, is injury prone, and isn't a great shooter. STOP IT.

[Fireball]

i do not see how Harden and Paul can play together ... two maestros on the court

[TimDunkem]

i do not see how Harden and Paul can play together ... two maestros on the court
Another one. :lol

[Ice009]

i do not see how Harden and Paul can play together ... two maestros on the court

People keep forgetting that Harden played with both Westbrook and Durant. He said he never had a problem being the 6th man and would have stayed if OKC paid him max dollars.

[Nathan89]

CP3 just clearing the field for Kawhi's MVP tbh:claw

[TimDunkem]

People are really overthinking this basketball thing.

People also said the Warriors gave up too much for Durant and that there was not enough shots to go around between them. :lmao

[DAF86]

Even if they never trully learn how to play together and just take turns running the pick and roll, the Rockets would still be miles better than they were and leapfrog the Spurs as the second best team in the West.

[RD2191]

Even if they never trully learn how to play together and just take turns running the pick and roll, the Rockets would still be miles better than they were and leapfrog the Spurs as the second best team in the West.
Tbh

[Nathan89]

People are really overthinking this basketball thing.

People also said the Warriors gave up too much for Durant and that there was not enough shots to go around between them. :lmao

They were saying not only did they give up too much but Durant had overlapping skills so they wouldn't be as useful.:lmao

[Nathan89]

Also what's the measure of this not working? Not beating GSW? That's still not expected.

[TimDunkem]

They were saying not only did they give up too much but Durant had overlapping skills so they wouldn't be as useful.:lmao
:lmao Spurstalk takes. Great for news...not so much player and team analysis.

[rastaspur]

Even if they never trully learn how to play together and just take turns running the pick and roll, the Rockets would still be miles better than they were and leapfrog the Spurs as the second best team in the West.

[TimDunkem]

Even if they never trully learn how to play together and just take turns running the pick and roll, the Rockets would still be miles better than they were and leapfrog the Spurs as the second best team in the West.
Pretty much.

Oh well. Time to look forward to next season with TP, disgruntled LaSoftus, "FreSh oUt da cluuub" Green, Pau "I airball layups" Gasoft, Bryn "he doesn't miss in practice" Forbes, Fathead and Fathead Jr.

[bic50]

Think maybe all the crap with Aldridge scared cp3 away from the the Spurs?

[coachmac87]

Paul or Harden will always be on the floor..you have two ELITE PNR players...

Offensively it's terrifying tbh...Their defense tho took a hit..Beverly>Paul

[Hoops Czar]

Neither Paul or Harden will leave the floor..you have two ELITE PNR players...

Offensively it's terrifying tbh...Their defense tho took a hit..Beverly>Paul

Houston's defense stunk last year.

[Chillen]

Think maybe all the crap with Aldridge scared cp3 away from the the Spurs?

No, CP3 is happy with the switch because he don't have to take a paycut. This deal works in his favor as a player. Pretty sure if he wanted to be a Spur they would have worked something out, clearly the Rockets were more aggressive than the Spurs.

[NASpurs]

Pretty much.

Oh well. Time to look forward to next season with TP, disgruntled LaSoftus, "FreSh oUt da cluuub" Green, Pau "I airball layups" Gasoft, and Fathead and Fathead Jr.

Nothing shows your ambition towards winning to Kawhi like bringing the gang back and adding Fathead Jr. At this rate, the Spurs are going to be lucky to get a meeting with Kawhi when he becomes a free agent. :lol

[coachmac87]

Houston's defense stunk last year.

Of course....

But that offense tho..

[TD4THREE]

People are really overthinking this basketball thing.

People also said the Warriors gave up too much for Durant and that there was not enough shots to go around between them. :lmao

The difference being that Durant,Curry,and Thompson are all elite off ball players and shooters playing in a motion offense. What makes Paul and particularly Harden special is their facilitating and scoring off the dribble, outside of that their ability to impact games is extremely limited for superstar players at least. There's a reason Harden didn't start next to Westbrook in OKC.

[TimDunkem]

Nothing shows your ambition to winning towards Kawhi like bringing the gang back and adding Fathead Jr. At this rate, the Spurs are going to be lucky to get a meeting with Kawhi when he becomes a free agent. :lolSpurs say the goal is to win titles every year, but it really doesn't look like it this season.

[spurraider21]

Never wanted him, as I've been saying for months..too old and his style of play helps role players but hurts other stars..can't even imagine how 2 of the 3 most ball-dominant players in the league will fit together..
So then is it safe to say you've deleted all your posts in other threads saying the spurs should do whatever they can to land him because he's a superstar?

[DAF86]

So then is it safe to say you've deleted all your posts in other threads saying the spurs should do whatever they can to land him because he's a superstar?
HarlemHeat37 has never fully been on the CP3 train, tbh. At least not in the posts I have read from him.

[Hoops Czar]

Nothing shows your ambition towards winning to Kawhi like bringing the gang back and adding Fathead Jr. At this rate, the Spurs are going to be lucky to get a meeting with Kawhi when he becomes a free agent. :lol
Maybe Kawhi's the one that needs to finally show some ambition. If Kawhi wants players to come to SA, he's going to have to do the unthinkable, make a friend.

[spurraider21]

HarlemHeat37 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11597) has never fully been on the CP3 train, tbh. At least not in the posts I have read from him.
He played the same card he did with LMA. Shit on him incessantly but with the caveat that the spurs should do whatever they can to bring them in because they're stars.

[TimDunkem]

Maybe Kawhi's the one that needs to finally show some ambition. If Kawhi wants players to come to SA, he's going to have to do the unthinkable, make a friend.But, but, but ST says it isn't cool to pick up the phone and call other players! :lol

[sananspursfan21]

Not happening. Starter for 2years at 6mil per year. Boston is not willing to trade Crowder, because of lowball deal he has.

Grass is green my friend. Notice the "pipe dream" smiley :)

[bic50]

Maybe Kawhi's the one that needs to finally show some ambition. If Kawhi wants players to come to SA, he's going to have to do the unthinkable, make a friend.
Except Kawhi has never complained about any of that.

[gambit1990]

Maybe Kawhi's the one that needs to finally show some ambition. If Kawhi wants players to come to SA, he's going to have to do the unthinkable, make a friend.
:lol what do you want kawhi to say?

"hey come to the spurs. to make space for you we'll have to trade a disgruntled player (la) or a player who sacrificed money to stay on the team (danny). but we will NOT trade old, busted ass tony parker for you."

[elemento]

From Paul's perspective I really don't get this move

If he wanted to win, choosing SA would have been a better choice.

If he wants money, then he chose the wrong team. Les and Morey are two of the cheapest faggots in the NBA. CP3 and his agent truly believe that Morey and Les will give him a 200m contract at the age of 33 next season? LOL

Stupid move by Paul and his agent. And quite honestly, he is not even a good fit with Harden.

[Chillen]

From Paul's perspective I really don't this move

If he wanted to win, choosing SA would have been a better choice.

If he wants money, then he chose the wrong team. Les and Morey are two of the cheapest faggots in the NBA. CP3 and his agent truly believe that Morey and Les will give him a 200m contract at the age of 33 next season? LOL

Stupid move by Paul and his agent. And quite honestly, he is not even a good fit with Harden.

It also could be a blessing in disguise for Spurs, he will be the Rockets problem now and they had to give up some players, draft picks to make it work. That is of course if Spurs try and do something this off season. Hopefully CP3 can stay healthy for them because that would be a terrible deal for CP3 if they did that to him.

[TimDunkem]

It also could be a blessing in disguise for Spurs, he will be the Rockets problem now and they had to give up some players, draft picks to make it work. That is of course if Spurs try and do something this off season. Hopefully CP3 can stay healthy for them because that would be a terrible deal for CP3 if they did that to him.
They gave up basically Bev and a bunch of shit and got CP3 in return. They also just got Long and a pick in next year's draft from Philly for nothing.

They'll be fine.

[vander]

From Paul's perspective I really don't get this move

If he wanted to win, choosing SA would have been a better choice.

If he wants money, then he chose the wrong team. Les and Morey are two of the cheapest faggots in the NBA. CP3 and his agent truly believe that Morey and Les will give him a 200m contract at the age of 33 next season? LOL

Stupid move by Paul and his agent. And quite honestly, he is not even a good fit with Harden.

yeah, seems like he's only going to be there for one year

[John B]

Is Melo now going to Houston to follow CP3? Then LeBron next year? Did PATFO miss out? I hate the idea of the Superteam if it's the other team, but if to the Spurs hell why not? I'm not sure if Spurs can beat that in the near future unless Murray drastically improved both offense and defensively, plus we get an Anthony Davis earliest next year if he demands trade.

[SuperCam]

typical spurfan with faggy takes like :cry i never wanted cp3 can't pay him at 37 :cry


if you're worried about what cp3 is going to cost in five years it means you don't think the warriors can be beaten before five years which is dumb take itself because wardell is already 30 and they will loose klay to the salary cap in no more than a year or two. not to mention kiwi will be out of his prime in five years so it's not like you were going to contend with him as your number one piece at that age anyways, not a good enough offensive player to do that.

paul is one of the best shooters in the league at age 32 and neither that or his court vision will deteriorate even at age 37.

stars attract stars, kiwi and cp3 are much more enticing for a third star than kawhi by himself and since he doesn't talk to other players or play in the olympics he'd have no chance of bringing in other stars though friendship especially given his autistic tendencies.



keep licking PAFTO's balloon knot and convincing yourself that signing one year younger Hill to 4/80 or sticking with role players like Murray and re-siging TOSBs like Gasol gives spurs any better shot in that time span :lol

meanwhile Houston is gearing up to sign a big 3 will Milsap or George which will relegate spurs to 5th seeds for the foreseeable future...

[Chinook]

Cam's the fourth-best QB in the NFCS. Sad.

[TimDunkem]

keep licking PAFTO's balloon knot and convincing yourself that signing one year younger Hill to 4/80 and re-siging TOSBs like Gasol gives spurs any better shot in that time span :lol

meanwhile Houston is gearing up to sign a big 3 will Milsap or George which will relegate spurs to 5th seeds for the foreseeable future...

I know you're a troll and all, but you're right here...Spurs won't do anything in the foreseeable future if they keep retreading roads they've already gone down. If they want to win during Kawhi's prime, they need to make moves now.

[MaNu4Tres]

Houston isn't done.

CP3 didn't choose HOU over SA just because of Harden.

Patience people.

[John B]

Houston isn't done.

CP3 didn't choose HOU over SA just because of Harden.

Patience people.

i won't be surprised if the banana boat follows. :bang

[HarlemHeat37]

He played the same card he did with LMA. Shit on him incessantly but with the caveat that the spurs should do whatever they can to bring them in because they're stars.

Link?

I was fine with adding Aldridge, not sure where you're getting this Paul shit from, though, been against adding him since the off-season began..making shit up, as usual:lol

I

[RD2191]

Houston isn't done.

CP3 didn't choose HOU over SA just because of Harden.

Patience people.
Tbh

[Clipper Nation]

The Spurs dodged a bullet, tbh, just like the Clippers did. Choke-P is a career loser who isn't worth a fraction of the money he's demanding, especially at his age. I still see the Spurs winning more games and going further in the playoffs than the Rockets.

[LkrFan]

Fuck George Hill.

:lmao

[szkorhetz]

The Spurs dodged a bullet, tbh, just like the Clippers did. Choke-P is a career loser who isn't worth a fraction of the money he's demanding, especially at his age. I still see the Spurs winning more games and going further in the playoffs than the Rockets.
So Rox won't make the playoffs? Cause Spurs are first round exits for sure.

[LkrFan]

They gave up basically Bev and a bunch of shit and got CP3 in return. They also just got Long and a pick in next year's draft from Philly for nothing.

They'll be fine.

:lmao @ Clipper Nation thinking the Clipps got something good for CP0 :lol

[TD 21]

typical spurfan with faggy takes like :cry i never wanted cp3 can't pay him at 37 :cry


if you're worried about what cp3 is going to cost in five years it means you don't think the warriors can be beaten before five years which is dumb take itself because wardell is already 30 and they will loose klay to the salary cap in no more than a year or two. not to mention kiwi will be out of his prime in five years so it's not like you were going to contend with him as your number one piece at that age anyways, not a good enough offensive player to do that.

paul is one of the best shooters in the league at age 32 and neither that or his court vision will deteriorate even at age 37.

stars attract stars, kiwi and cp3 are much more enticing for a third star than kawhi by himself and since he doesn't talk to other players or play in the olympics he'd have no chance of bringing in other stars though friendship especially given his autistic tendencies.



keep licking PAFTO's balloon knot and convincing yourself that signing one year younger Hill to 4/80 or sticking with role players like Murray and re-siging TOSBs like Gasol gives spurs any better shot in that time span :lol

meanwhile Houston is gearing up to sign a big 3 will Milsap or George which will relegate spurs to 5th seeds for the foreseeable future...

:tu

Got to hoard that precious '18 cap space though because we all know there's a prime James or Durant ready to parachute in . . .

[LkrFan]

The Spurs dodged a bullet, tbh, just like the Clippers did. Choke-P is a career loser who isn't worth a fraction of the money he's demanding, especially at his age. I still see the Spurs winning more games and going further in the playoffs than the Rockets.

Lakers > Clipps forevaaaaaaaa! :lmao

[LkrFan]

:tu

Got to hoard that precious '18 cap space though because we all know there's a prime James or Durant ready to parachute in . . .

KD ain't leaving the Dubs. -20 points for even saying that dumb shiiiiiiiiiiiit! :lmao

[DPG21920]

I agree HOU is making moves, but they don't have many other assets to land a big player. Bev was a key part, so was Lou and Harrell. They are all gone.

I don't know, other than free agency, what other star they can get.

But even with no other moves, they look damn good. The players the lost are all fully replaceable (and some are replaced already by CP with Lou/Bev).

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao @ Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500) thinking the Clipps got something good for CP0 :lol
"Good"? Not that good. Just a lot better than the alternative of getting nothing at all.

[DPG21920]

Also, with the benefit of hindsight, this CP3 type deal should have been so obvious. We knew 2 things: 1) CP leaving LAC was a legit possiblity & 2) He abused his power as a players union president basically to get that new contract in his favor :lol

So knowing those two things, him leaving LAC would only happen via trade since we know he was damn well not going to give up that money. Not only that, TX should have been obvious since not only is getting the same deal he could get in LAC a big deal, but getting it in TX MEANS EVEN MORE MONEY FOR THAT SAME DEAL.

[TD 21]

KD ain't leaving the Dubs. -20 points for even saying that dumb shiiiiiiiiiiiit! :lmao

Apparently you've never heard of sarcasm. :wakeup



I agree HOU is making moves, but they don't have many other assets to land a big player. Bev was a key part, so was Lou and Harrell. They are all gone.

I don't know, other than free agency, what other star they can get.

But even with no other moves, they look damn good. The players the lost are all fully replaceable (and some are replaced already by CP with Lou/Bev).

Who cares? They thought outside the box, got Paul to take $11M less in 1st season (something I said Spurs should try to do a few weeks ago) and agree to trade, in order to maintain as strong a roster as possible.

Anderson is a terrible defensive fit versus Warriors, but to land a top 6-8 player, still maintain arguably your 5 best players (who all play different positions) and still have access to MLE, BAE and a trade exception? Outstanding work.

At the very least, they've vaulted past Spurs, destroyed Clippers and health willing, secured WCF spot. They're now a Curry or Durant injury away from a championship becoming a possibility.

[MaNu4Tres]

I agree HOU is making moves, but they don't have many other assets to land a big player. Bev was a key part, so was Lou and Harrell. They are all gone.

I don't know, other than free agency, what other star they can get.

But even with no other moves, they look damn good. The players the lost are all fully replaceable (and some are replaced already by CP with Lou/Bev).

Melo and PG are one year rentals. Teams know that and aren't offering much for either. Gordon/Ariza should be able to get it done.. for either.

[DPG21920]

Melo and PG are one year rentals. Teams know that and aren't offering much for either. Gordon/Ariza should be able to get it done.. for either.

They still have no edge of any team due to the CP3 trade in a PG trade. Murray is far greater than any asset they could offer. BOS has far better assets. Even Kevin Love is more valuable.

Melo, sure, but that is on the buyout market.

[DPG21920]

Apparently you've never heard of sarcasm. :wakeup




Who cares? They thought outside the box, got Paul to take $11M less in 1st season (something I said Spurs should try to do a few weeks ago) and agree to trade, in order to maintain as strong a roster as possible.

Anderson is a terrible defensive fit versus Warriors, but to land a top 6-8 player, still maintain arguably your 5 best players (who all play different positions) and still have access to MLE, BAE and a trade exception? Outstanding work.

At the very least, they've vaulted past Spurs, destroyed Clippers and health willing, secured WCF spot. They're now a Curry or Durant injury away from a championship becoming a possibility.

Did you not read what I said? I said they look damn good even if they don't make any other moves and you proceeded to act like I was arguing against them :lol

[bic50]

typical spurfan with faggy takes like :cry i never wanted cp3 can't pay him at 37 :cry


if you're worried about what cp3 is going to cost in five years it means you don't think the warriors can be beaten before five years which is dumb take itself because wardell is already 30 and they will loose klay to the salary cap in no more than a year or two. not to mention kiwi will be out of his prime in five years so it's not like you were going to contend with him as your number one piece at that age anyways, not a good enough offensive player to do that.

paul is one of the best shooters in the league at age 32 and neither that or his court vision will deteriorate even at age 37.

stars attract stars, kiwi and cp3 are much more enticing for a third star than kawhi by himself and since he doesn't talk to other players or play in the olympics he'd have no chance of bringing in other stars though friendship especially given his autistic tendencies.



keep licking PAFTO's balloon knot and convincing yourself that signing one year younger Hill to 4/80 or sticking with role players like Murray and re-siging TOSBs like Gasol gives spurs any better shot in that time span :lol

meanwhile Houston is gearing up to sign a big 3 will Milsap or George which will relegate spurs to 5th seeds for the foreseeable future...
Shut your dumbass up troll.

[SilverSpur]

That's great , now we can focus on George Hill and another star player.
Then we make sure to beat Houston next year. This is a blessing in Disguise.
This might work in our favor by Houston giving GS fits and tiring them out and then we come along with the knock out punch.
:flag:

[TD 21]

Did you not read what I said? I said they look damn good even if they don't make any other moves and you proceeded to act like I was arguing against them :lol

I know, I'm just saying who cares if they can't land a third star? Obviously, that would get them closer to Warriors, but they're still health and a Curry or Durant injury away from a championship becoming a possibility as is.

[DPG21920]

I know, I'm just saying who cares if they can't land a third star? Obviously, that would get them closer to Warriors, but they're still health and a Curry or Durant injury away from a championship becoming a possibility as is.

If they hit their top end absolutely. I was just saying they don't have the assets anymore to land another big name via trade IMO.

They can get them on a buyout or in free agency (not a big player, but MLE level player). They have a big trade exception which could be valuable but not sure it would actually do anything for a PG/Melo type.

[TimDunkem]

That's great , now we can focus on George Hill

I stopped reading right there.

[r0drig0lac]

Also what's the measure of this not working? Not beating GSW? That's still not expected.

word

[TimDunkem]

word
But that's obvious. At least they're in better shape to do so than the Spurs at the moment.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

But that's obvious. At least they're in better shape to do so than the Spurs at the moment.

Not quite sure about that. I dont think the trade puts them in a position to outscore them, they still have no defense. The way to beat GS is with long wing defenders and hard nosed defense. Spurs still have the best chance at an upset with Wing Stop on defense.

[TimDunkem]

Not quite sure about that. I dont think the trade puts them in a position to outscore them, they still have no defense. The way to beat GS is with long wing defenders and hard nosed defense. Spurs still have the best chance at an upset with Wing Stop on defense.
Well, I say that with the thought that they're not done making moves. If they are, then I agree with you.

And Wing Stop is done, imo. Danny is not what he used to be and he'll be a year older this upcoming season.

[DPG21920]

Well, I say that with the thought that they're not done making moves. If they are, then I agree with you.

And Wing Stop is done, imo. Danny is not what he used to be and he'll be a year older this upcoming season.

Done? Danny just made his first all defensive team, SA had the #1 defense in the league and Danny had an excellent defensive playoff even without Kawhi in spots.

Again, you're being overly negative IMO.

[TimDunkem]

Done? Danny just made his first all defensive team, SA had the #1 defense in the league and Danny had an excellent defensive playoff even without Kawhi in spots.

Again, you're being overly negative IMO.
I don't think he deserved to be there, tbh. But that's just my opinion. You can call me negative all you want.

Also, he's not about to get even better on defense. He will continue to decline.

[DPG21920]

I don't think he deserved to be there, tbh. But that's just my opinion. You can call me negative all you want.

Also, he's not about to get even better on defense. He will continue to decline.

Everyone technically declined, but again, SA just had the best defense in the league. You can speculate about the future if you like, but there is nothing really tangible to back up your assertion that Danny is done and not what he used to be when last season he was damn good (both individual honor he received and actual team ranking).

[TimDunkem]

Everyone technically declined, but again, SA just had the best defense in the league. You can speculate about the future if you like, but there is nothing really tangible to back up your assertion that Danny is done and not what he used to be when last season he was damn good (both individual honor he received and actual team ranking).
I think that was mostly a product of having the best defender in the world in Kawhi. We can disagree on Danny Green, but I don't think last season's team has it in them for another run.

I really don't like the position the Spurs are in right now. They need playmakers in the worst way.

[Nathan89]

typical spurfan with faggy takes like :cry i never wanted cp3 can't pay him at 37 :cry


if you're worried about what cp3 is going to cost in five years it means you don't think the warriors can be beaten before five years which is dumb take itself because wardell is already 30 and they will loose klay to the salary cap in no more than a year or two. not to mention kiwi will be out of his prime in five years so it's not like you were going to contend with him as your number one piece at that age anyways, not a good enough offensive player to do that.

paul is one of the best shooters in the league at age 32 and neither that or his court vision will deteriorate even at age 37.

stars attract stars, kiwi and cp3 are much more enticing for a third star than kawhi by himself and since he doesn't talk to other players or play in the olympics he'd have no chance of bringing in other stars though friendship especially given his autistic tendencies.



keep licking PAFTO's balloon knot and convincing yourself that signing one year younger Hill to 4/80 or sticking with role players like Murray and re-siging TOSBs like Gasol gives spurs any better shot in that time span :lol

meanwhile Houston is gearing up to sign a big 3 will Milsap or George which will relegate spurs to 5th seeds for the foreseeable future...

"Wardell's" age is going to be an issue but CP3 being 3 years older than him isn't?

[DPG21920]

I think that was mostly a product of having the best defender in the world in Kawhi. We can disagree on Danny Green, but I don't think last season's team has it in them for another run.

I really don't like the position the Spurs are in right now. They need playmakers in the worst way.

Even with that exact problem last year SA was a WCF team. Was their luck? Sure, but then you can't argue when they don't make a WCF like only losing is a skill and winning is luck.

No one defender will anchor the best defense in the league. Danny, by every single metric, was a huge plus on defense.

I mean, am I worried? In the context of uncertainty and knowing the team needs more help (and better setup) sure. But there are reasonable paths to that. There is no real path for any team to surpass GS so that is out of my mind.

[TimDunkem]

Key phrase: Last year.

Unless the Spurs make moves it'll be another fool's gold season. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm not declaring this off-season a disaster right now either. It's just difficult to see the Spurs making any moves that put them in contention again.

The 1st can't come here soon enough..

[bic50]

Key phrase: Last year.

Unless the Spurs make moves it'll be another fool's gold season. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm not declaring this off-season a disaster right now either. It's just difficult to see the Spurs making any moves that put them in contention again.

The 1st can't come here soon enough..
How was this past season fools gold?

[TimDunkem]

How was this past season fools gold?
Just my opinion that they didn't have a great shot at GS even though things were looking good for 3 quarters in game 1...

If last season wasn't fool's gold, this year will be if they trot out the SAME team. I'm hoping they don't. We'll see.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I hope the Rockets give CP that max deal he wants. I'd love to see $205M tied up in their salary cap to an aging point guard.

What evs.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The same people bitching about losing Chris Paul would be the same ones questioning the FO's stupidity for giving that much money to an aging point guard.

You can't please some people. Not pursuing him hard was the right move. He wasn't going to be the difference maker against the GSW.

[noles1983]

The same people bitching about losing Chris Paul would be the same ones questioning the FO's stupidity for giving that much money to an aging point guard.

You can't please some people. Not pursuing him hard was the right move. He wasn't going to be the difference maker against the GSW.

Except now we have the Rockets getting stronger and better. So not only do we have to worry about GS, we have the fucking Rockets.

[SpursforSix]

This might work in our favor by Houston giving GS fits and tiring them out and then we come along with the knock out punch.


I'm not sure how that works. Unless you think SA is the 1 seed or Houston the 4.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I don't think CP3 makes the Rockets that much better. The only reason they were regular season wonders is that Harden had the ball in his hands all the time. What's going to get better with Paul there?

[Down Under]

Another great move by West. Get a ton of role players (maybe 1 or 2 pan out plus Beverly) and a top 3 pick for Paul. Next thing ship Jordan out and get either more picks or package him with someone else for a 2nd/3rd tier star and build around him and Griffin. If Griffin stays healthy he is a top 5 player in the league. He can do everything - shoot, take guys off the dribble, pass off the dribble or out of pick and rolls, post up if he has to and obviously finish. If he's able to stay on the court and everything runs through him instead of CP3, look out. Just need a new coach.

[djohn2oo8]

Another great move by West. Get a ton of role players (maybe 1 or 2 pan out plus Beverly) and a top 3 pick for Paul. Next thing ship Jordan out and get either more picks or package him with someone else for a 2nd/3rd tier star and build around him and Griffin. If Griffin stays healthy he is a top 5 player in the league. He can do everything - shoot, take guys off the dribble, pass off the dribble or out of pick and rolls, post up if he has to and obviously finish. If he's able to stay on the court and everything runs through him instead of CP3, look out. Just need a new coach.
? It's a top 3 protected pick. And it's likely to be a late first rounder.

[djohn2oo8]

They still have no edge of any team due to the CP3 trade in a PG trade. Murray is far greater than any asset they could offer. BOS has far better assets. Even Kevin Love is more valuable.

Melo, sure, but that is on the buyout market.
Boston has to show they are willing to actually use their assets since they have had them since forever and have done nothing with them. We shall see though maybe they finally cash in.

[cutewizard]

I honestly don't understand why you go after a ball dominant player only to make him non ball dominant at this point in his career when that is his entire schtick. Its pretty obvious Paul just badly wanted out of LA. I wouldn't want the Spurs to have paid his Clippers opt in price anyway. Paul got what he wanted, his full contract and out of LA. I don't think this makes Houston a stronger team though.


:bobo

[hater]

Weird CO3 needs the ball and Hardon needs it even more

Terrible move by rockets imo

[cutewizard]

Weird CO3 needs the ball and Hardon needs it even more

Terrible move by rockets imo

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Totally agree with you Sir

[Clipper Nation]

Another great move by West. Get a ton of role players (maybe 1 or 2 pan out plus Beverly) and a top 3 pick for Paul. Next thing ship Jordan out and get either more picks or package him with someone else for a 2nd/3rd tier star and build around him and Griffin. If Griffin stays healthy he is a top 5 player in the league. He can do everything - shoot, take guys off the dribble, pass off the dribble or out of pick and rolls, post up if he has to and obviously finish. If he's able to stay on the court and everything runs through him instead of CP3, look out. Just need a new coach.
IDK about Top 5, but people are sleeping on Blake after two unlucky years with injuries. He has the green light now, he's not going to be held back by Choke-P's overdribbling and selfishness anymore. As long as he stays healthy, Blake will surprise everyone this year.

[cutewizard]

Lesson here is that:

NBA stars all TALK about wanting that NBA title, and yet......

ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im getting disillusioned here......

[NASpurs]

I bet the Spurs pondered something similar.

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[Down Under]

IDK about Top 5, but people are sleeping on Blake after two unlucky years with injuries. He has the green light now, he's not going to be held back by Choke-P's overdribbling and selfishness anymore. As long as he stays healthy, Blake will surprise everyone this year.
I'm going top 5 cause there's such a massive drop off after the Top 4. I think a lot of his career has been wasted because CP3 is so ball dominant that he hasn't been able to showcase all his skills, which is neither of their faults. If he can just stay on the court, as you said he really is someone you can build around.

[cutewizard]

shit chris paul,

if you dont want the Spurs, then fuck yah

[HarlemHeat37]

Salute to Jerry West if it's true that he didn't want to pay Paul the full deal, tbh..perfect timing to take power away from Tom Rivers..

[Keepin' it real]

That's great , now we can focus on George Hill and another star player.
Then we make sure to beat Houston next year. This is a blessing in Disguise.
This might work in our favor by Houston giving GS fits and tiring them out and then we come along with the knock out punch.
:flag:

Damn, were the playoff seeds for next year announced already?

[SpurOutofTownFan]

lol people - you were saying he was the best player yesterday and now he's just garbage lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

lol people - you were saying he was the best player yesterday and now he's just garbage lol

:lol the flip floppers are trolls brah

[sasaint]

I bet the Spurs pondered something similar.

880206549766914048

Of course they did. I said at the get-go that CP3 was using the Spurs for leverage with the Clips because they were agonizing over this very issue - just as the Spurs had to be. Everybody on ST was just assuming Paul would be offered the supermax.

[sasaint]

Salute to Jerry West if it's true that he didn't want to pay Paul the full deal, tbh..perfect timing to take power away from Tom Rivers..

I said all along that it was wrong to just assume that the Clips would offer a supermax deal to a player his age. The unforeseen consequences of this supermax deal are starting to be revealed.

[ducks]

I honestly don't understand why you go after a ball dominant player only to make him non ball dominant at this point in his career when that is his entire schtick. Its pretty obvious Paul just badly wanted out of LA. I wouldn't want the Spurs to have paid his Clippers opt in price anyway. Paul got what he wanted, his full contract and out of LA. I don't think this makes Houston a stronger team though.

yep

[Mr. Body]

Paul knows point guards glitter in Pringles' offenses. He'll get to run around and rack up huge stats. Problem for the team is that Mike only gives the keys to one player at a time. I guess they can try to alternate, but one of the two becomes a young Joe Johnson from back in the Phoenix days, underutilized and not as dangerous as he could be.

The other appeal for Paul has to be the lack of defense. He won't have to exert himself on that side at all. (Hope he doesn't care when no one else does, either.)

He also gets cover for when the team craps out in the second round again.

Oh, and the Clippers had bad team chemistry with Paul - Griffin apparently hated him and he hated Rivers, etc. Houston already doesn't seem like it has great chemistry most of the time.

[jbspurs]

They traded him for Patrick Beverly, Sam Dekker, Lou Williams, and a 2018 First round pick.

Rockets will regret this trade. They gave up scorer and a really good defender. Also, Harden played his best basketball playing PG last season. Now, Harden will be force to play his old position.

[Mr. Body]

Rockets will regret this trade. They gave up scorer and a really good defender. Also, Harden played his best basketball playing PG last season. Now, Harden will be force to play his old position.

I agree. Basically you're replacing touches for a near-MVP level player with touches of a somewhat less, but also very good player. D'Antoni's system has players stay in place while the playmaker pounds the ball to get certain shots and kick-outs. Paul, or Harden, is an increased risk in one of those spots, but is Paul worth the expense?

[bic50]

Rockets will regret this trade. They gave up scorer and a really good defender. Also, Harden played his best basketball playing PG last season. Now, Harden will be force to play his old position.
Paul is a good defender

[Mr. Body]

Paul is a good defender

It's hard to be a good defender on a shitty defensive team.

[21209]

Rockets will regret this trade. They gave up scorer and a really good defender. Also, Harden played his best basketball playing PG last season. Now, Harden will be force to play his old position.

It may not work out for them, but I'm not sure they regret this trade. They're not really giving up too much for him. They already have their sixth man in Eric Gordon, and Beverly, while a decent defender doesn't give them consistency on the offensive end.

I'll even go as far as to say it's a low risk, high reward move for them.

[OrEmuN]

It will be great if Spurs can get their hands on Beverly or Blake now

[UZER]

I really don't get this trade for the rockets.

[gambit1990]

They already have their sixth man in Eric Gordon, and Beverly, while a decent defender doesn't give them consistency on the offensive end.

I'll even go as far as to say it's a low risk, high reward move for them.

[gambit1990]

Problem for the team is that Mike only gives the keys to one player at a time. I guess they can try to alternate, but one of the two becomes a young Joe Johnson from back in the Phoenix days, underutilized and not as dangerous as he could be.
cp3 + harden isn't a problem... it's an advantage.

the joe johnson comparison isn't a good one... cp3 and harden are MUCH better playmakers.

[Mr. Body]

cp3 + harden isn't a problem... it's an advantage.

the joe johnson comparison isn't a good one... cp3 and harden are MUCH better playmakers.

Yeah, you didn't get what I'm saying. One of the two has to play the Joe Johnson role in any given stretch of possessions. And Paul is way, way more expensive than Iso Joe ever was.

[gambit1990]

people are acting like this is two kobes on the same team.

[Mugen]

Good. Give the keys to Murray tbh.

[TimDunkem]

Good. Give the keys to Murray tbh.
Only for TP to take them back when he returns better than ever. :smokin

[GSH]

I really don't get this trade for the rockets.


I'm sure D'Antoni promised he could ring, if they would just get him more offensive firepower. Suns redux.

With all the people on ST crying, I wonder if any of them noticed that CP3 only put up about 1,100 points last season, and about 1,400 last season. Lou Williams, just one of the players the Rockets traded, put up over 1,400 last season.

The Rockets are going to have a hell of a time putting up more points after this trade, and they sure as hell didn't get better on defense overall. The only thing I can think of is that Paul could help their efficiency? But it's not like D'Antoni to worry about that.

[Mikeanaro]

I really don't get this trade for the rockets.
Its more about selling tickets than anything, CP3 and Harden could only means more monkeyballing feeding Capela and shooting 3 pointers.
Other than that is pure nonsense.
Pringles run´gun is going to injure CP3, that makes sense.

[benefactor]

I really don't get this trade for the rockets.
They get an upgrade in talent, but it doesn't move the needle that much for them. Can they beat the Spurs now in a series? Possibly. But without another move they are still getting swept by GS in the WCF.

At the end of the day it's a questionable fit that only works if two ball dominant players agree to work together and develop some kind of chemistry that goes against who they've always been(and don't pull out the Harden 6th man argument...he hasn't been that player in years). I just don't see it happening on a consistent basis.

[timtonymanu]

Are the Clippers planning on keeping Beverley? I wouldn't mind him on the Spurs and he has a lot of respect for Parker as well.

[TimDunkem]

Are the Clippers planning on keeping Beverley? I wouldn't mind him on the Spurs and he has a lot of respect for Parker as well.
Word is that they're not going to move him.

[GSH]

Word is that they're not going to move him.


They were saying that the Cavs were really hot to get him, but he wasn't supposed to be available. With Jerry West calling the shots, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him parlaying this trade. And the Cavs are hot to make some moves, to try and pacify LeBron.

[Hoops Czar]

They were saying that the Cavs were really hot to get him, but he wasn't supposed to be available. With Jerry West calling the shots, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him parlaying this trade. And the Cavs are hot to make some moves, to try and pacify LeBron.
Ho hum. More examples of a FO doing what it can to keep the team competitive and keep their superstar happy.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think they'll ultimately be fine, although I don't see it as a frightening duo, at all..however, while I wouldn't want to pay 40 mil for a 35-37 year old PG, I don't know why anybody thinks Houston lost anything of value, tbh:lol Beverley is a nice role player and they didn't give up any other relevant pieces..

They will clearly improve IMO and you would have to be a homer to believe otherwise, despite the fit reducing some of the full impact you would get from a duo with different skill-sets..

[gambit1990]

But without another move they are still getting swept by GS in the WCF.
not even one person has said the rockets are now the favorites...
http://www.stephendeas.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Master-of-the-Obvious.jpg




Also what's the measure of this not working? Not beating GSW? That's still not expected.

[UZER]

I'm sure D'Antoni promised he could ring, if they would just get him more offensive firepower. Suns redux.

With all the people on ST crying, I wonder if any of them noticed that CP3 only put up about 1,100 points last season, and about 1,400 last season. Lou Williams, just one of the players the Rockets traded, put up over 1,400 last season.

The Rockets are going to have a hell of a time putting up more points after this trade, and they sure as hell didn't get better on defense overall. The only thing I can think of is that Paul could help their efficiency? But it's not like D'Antoni to worry about that.


Its more about selling tickets than anything, CP3 and Harden could only means more monkeyballing feeding Capela and shooting 3 pointers.
Other than that is pure nonsense.
Pringles run´gun is going to injure CP3, that makes sense.


They get an upgrade in talent, but it doesn't move the needle that much for them. Can they beat the Spurs now in a series? Possibly. But without another move they are still getting swept by GS in the WCF.

At the end of the day it's a questionable fit that only works if two ball dominant players agree to work together and develop some kind of chemistry that goes against who they've always been(and don't pull out the Harden 6th man argument...he hasn't been that player in years). I just don't see it happening on a consistent basis.

Exactly on all three of these. Sure you're adding a great player, but it doesn't seem like it will fit well.

[hater]

I guess if CP3 can morph his game like Jason Kidd late in his career Rockets could be damn good

[Hoops Czar]

Exactly on all three of these. Sure you're adding a great player, but it doesn't seem like it will fit well.
Posters said the same thing about Durant. How'd that work out?

[benefactor]

not even one person has said the rockets are now the favorites...
http://www.stephendeas.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Master-of-the-Obvious.jpg
You could take my whole post in context and make a real argument in agreement or disagreement, but you are a shit poster so the above response is par for the course.

[benefactor]

Posters said the same thing about Durant. How'd that work out?
Durant is a great fit beside Curry. It's apples to oranges with Harden and Paul.

[therealtruth]

Dodged that bullet. Wouldn't have moved the needle against the Warriors. PATFO can go back to finding that second banana for Kawhi AKA Aldridge replacement.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Dodged that bullet. Wouldn't have moved the needle against the Warriors. PATFO can go back to finding that second banana for Kawhi AKA Aldridge replacement.
He most definitely would have moved the needle.

[gambit1990]

You could take my whole post in context and make a real argument in agreement or disagreement, but you are a shit poster so the above response is par for the course.
:lol not gonna waste my time arguing with you, your mind is already made up.

people who think they can't fit together won't be convinced otherwise. same goes for people who think they can.

i was just calling out your vanilla take: "they still can't beat the warriors without making another move." no shit detective :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Durant is a great fit beside Curry. It's apples to oranges with Harden and Paul.

True, but James Harden had no problem sharing the court in crunch time with two other ball dominant players in Westbrook and Durant. I think this whole notion that two ball dominant players can't coexist in today's NBA is hogwash, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

I was hearing about Paul signing for 5 years and $200 mil; I was like fuck that. Don't need that stone tied around the franchise's neck.

[gambit1990]

I think this whole notion that two ball dominant can't coexist in today's NBA is hogwash, tbh.
agreed.

rockets had harden to get his teammates easy looks... and now they have someone who can get harden easy looks.

[gambit1990]

rockets now have 2 outta the top 6, 8 players?

spurs have what, 2 outta the top... 20, 25?

[GSH]

agreed.

rockets had harden to get his teammates easy looks... and now they have someone who can get harden easy looks.


The problem is, you still have to score more points than the other team. Houston averaged over 115 PPG last season. The Rockets aren't going to put up more points by taking on CP3 and getting rid of Lou Williams. Paul is a good defender, but Beverly was 1st team All Defensive for a reason.

To really benefit from Chris Paul, the Rockets would have to play a different style than they did this year. And I think that would require firing D'Antoni and hiring a different coach - and that's not going to happen.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The problem is, you still have to score more points than the other team. Houston averaged over 115 PPG last season. The Rockets aren't going to put up more points by taking on CP3 and getting rid of Lou Williams. Paul is a good defender, but Beverly was 1st team All Defensive for a reason.

To really benefit from Chris Paul, the Rockets would have to play a different style than they did this year. And I think that would require firing D'Antoni and hiring a different coach - and that's not going to happen.

In fairness, Paul did make NBA All-Defensive first team, but I do agree that Beverly is a better defender.

[jbspurs]

It may not work out for them, but I'm not sure they regret this trade. They're not really giving up too much for him. They already have their sixth man in Eric Gordon, and Beverly, while a decent defender doesn't give them consistency on the offensive end.

I'll even go as far as to say it's a low risk, high reward move for them.

IMO, Rockets don't need CP3, their lineup last season was already solid, all they need was a really good power forward. I am not saying CP3 is not good, I want him on our team, I was hoping for Kawhi, LMA with CP3. I really think CP3's style of play will help improve LMA. Unfortunately, CP3 is not coming and LMA wants out..

[therealtruth]

The problem is, you still have to score more points than the other team. Houston averaged over 115 PPG last season. The Rockets aren't going to put up more points by taking on CP3 and getting rid of Lou Williams. Paul is a good defender, but Beverly was 1st team All Defensive for a reason.

To really benefit from Chris Paul, the Rockets would have to play a different style than they did this year. And I think that would require firing D'Antoni and hiring a different coach - and that's not going to happen.

Exactly. I said it in another thread but the main thing the move does is allow Harden to conserve his energy during the season. He doesn't always have to be the man. Also it prevents things like game 6 against the Spurs where if he doesn't do well the whole team struggles. He'll be able to pick his spots more.

[spursistan]

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[TimDunkem]

Why does DA bother to put "pending" in the tweet? As if the deal has a chance of not being finalized. :lol

[mudyez]

I like the Jordan/Beverley defensive impact.

Would love them to keep Reddick and run their offense though off ball action headlining him Crawford and maybe others.

Not that you win a ship with that, but it's an interesting team makeup.

[Fireball]

I guess if CP3 can morph his game like Jason Kidd late in his career Rockets could be damn good

His game is the mid range shot which is not used in Houston, so he will have to be a more proficient 3 point threat. It might work out, but I still believe Harden and Paul are so very efficient because they have the ball in their hands ... both are point guards now. Comparing this to Durant going to GS is bullshit. Curry can play off the ball. I have my doubt that Harden can go back after last season to defer this much to another point guard.

[tholdren]

Durant is a great fit beside Curry. It's apples to oranges with Harden and Paul.

Durant was getting pwned by 4/5 of spurs and unhelthy kl. Shit would be a wrap is sa had a healthy squad

[Chillen]

The bright side of CP3 to Rockets is the Spurs don't have to overpay a PG that is only 2 years younger than Parker who is a proven winner. There are other options out there and I do hope Spurs make some moves this offseason can't stand pat and expect to beat the Warriors as is. Also CP3 and Harden will drive Curry, Thompson nuts so that will be a good matchup.

If CP3 wanted to be a Spur player, he would. Move on people!

[Chillen]

Durant is a great fit beside Curry. It's apples to oranges with Harden and Paul.

Durant causes problems with the Warriors because he can move like a guard and the defense focuses on the GS shooters Curry, Thompson, which leaves a near 7 foot nightmare roaming loose. That's why they won the chip, Durant knew what he was doing when signed how it would leave most NBA teams at a disadvantage. Dude don't care, he ringed but he did have to carry them which could spell trouble if they think the road to a repeat is gonna get easier.

[Chinook]

Dunno if that blurb about why Paul chose Houston over SA is true. But if so, it essentially said that he didn't like Pop trying to get rid of LMA and keep Parker. That flies in the face of Tony being a major selling point for him. More than anything, that would be something for which Pop deserves criticism.

[rjv]

Dunno if that blurb about why Paul chose Houston over SA is true. But if so, it essentially said that he didn't like Pop trying to get rid of LMA and keep Parker. That flies in the face of Tony being a major selling point for him. More than anything, that would be something for which Pop deserves criticism. the spurs, even if they had wanted to, were not going to get anything back for TP, an aging point guard with the same injury that ended Barkley's career. and again, as you stated, it is speculative information at best. and even if the source is correct, there is no way of knowing the full details. one could even just as easily infer that CP, being tight with TP, wanted no part of being the reason why Tony's career would be essentially over in SA. or it could have been CP just blowing smoke. i think the LMA news would be more substantial because it sends out all sorts of smoke and creates an uncertain roster. but why not wait for the meeting with the Spurs FO to find out. how it is that the Rockets FO managed to convince CP to agree to the trade is highly suspect. someone had to be telling him their plans.

[rjv]

The bright side of CP3 to Rockets is the Spurs don't have to overpay a PG that is only 2 years younger than Parker who is a proven winner. There are other options out there and I do hope Spurs make some moves this offseason can't stand pat and expect to beat the Warriors as is. Also CP3 and Harden will drive Curry, Thompson nuts so that will be a good matchup.

If CP3 wanted to be a Spur player, he would. Move on people! i wanted no part of a 45 million dollar pay day to a 37 year old. that is just insane. i'll take my chances on the future of some younger prospects rather than a couple of years with an all-star at that price.

[GSH]

In fairness, Paul did make NBA All-Defensive first team, but I do agree that Beverly is a better defender.



I don't know who is "better" defensively, TBH. My point was just that the Rockets didn't get better on defense, over this trade.

Here's something I haven't seen anyone else talk about:

The Rockets are still going to have to fill a roster. They traded two guys who played 2,000 minutes each last season, for one guy who played 1,900 minutes. They are going to have to fill in a shitload of minutes, and a lot of them will almost certainly be with player(s) who aren't as good as those two. So no matter what they gained by adding Paul, they're going to give some back unless they make another deal somewhere.

[rjv]

I don't know who is "better" defensively, TBH. My point was just that the Rockets didn't get better on defense, over this trade.

Here's something I haven't seen anyone else talk about:

The Rockets are still going to have to fill a roster. They traded two guys who played 2,000 minutes each last season, for one guy who played 1,900 minutes. They are going to have to fill in a shitload of minutes, and a lot of them will almost certainly be with player(s) who aren't as good as those two. So no matter what they gained by adding Paul, they're going to give some back unless they make another deal somewhere. that is the gamble they made and thus the clamoring from their FO that they are still looking for another big name. if that gamble does not pay off and all they get out of free agency is CP3 then their off season is not really that successful in terms of their ultimate goal. but being that FA has yet to begin, there are many cards yet to be dealt.

[GSH]

that is the gamble they made and thus the clamoring from their FO that they are still looking for another big name. if that gamble does not pay off and all they get out of free agency is CP3 then their off season is not really that successful in terms of their ultimate goal. but being that FA has yet to begin, there are many cards yet to be dealt.


Last I checked, they had $91.5M committed. And this place is full of discussions about how little $8M will get in the FA market. And they have roster spots to fill. To get another big name, they're likely going to have to give up something.

I'm not saying it won't/can't happen. But they are going to have a tough time signing a big name. More likely they are going to have to find an over-achiever. The big point is that there's no guarantee that they got ANY better overall.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I don't know who is "better" defensively, TBH. My point was just that the Rockets didn't get better on defense, over this trade.

Here's something I haven't seen anyone else talk about:

The Rockets are still going to have to fill a roster. They traded two guys who played 2,000 minutes each last season, for one guy who played 1,900 minutes. They are going to have to fill in a shitload of minutes, and a lot of them will almost certainly be with player(s) who aren't as good as those two. So no matter what they gained by adding Paul, they're going to give some back unless they make another deal somewhere.

On the money, GSH. I think the Rockets need some defensive bigs too as the got exposed defensively pretty badly in the playoffs. It'll be interesting to see if Nene walks this summer and what happens with Anderson as well.

Hell, maybe Gordon gets traded if they need to attract another big name and clear some space.

[rjv]

On the money, GSH. I think the Rockets need some defensive bigs too as the got exposed defensively pretty badly in the playoffs. It'll be interesting to see if Nene walks this summer and what happens with Anderson as well.

Hell, maybe Gordon gets traded if they need to attract another big name and clear some space. supposedly, nene was told by the rockets FO that he is a part of their plans going forward and Nene has the same interest.

[GSH]

supposedly, nene was told by the rockets FO that he is a part of their plans going forward and Nene has the same interest.

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing you personally. Here's the thing about Nene.

1. He isn't included in the $91.5M in committed salaries. He played 19 mpg last year, and got paid about $3M.
2. He's getting old.
3. So if they sign him, and IF he is still just as good as he was last season, that will hold the Rockets even talent-wise. It won't make them better than last year.

The Rockets definitely got a good player in CP3. But they still have to deal with the same salary cap issues the Spurs are looking at.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Exactly. I said it in another thread but the main thing the move does is allow Harden to conserve his energy during the season. He doesn't always have to be the man. Also it prevents things like game 6 against the Spurs where if he doesn't do well the whole team struggles. He'll be able to pick his spots more.

Eh, doesn't matter if he conserves his energy if he has to guard Aldridge, Kawhi, etc. in the post for a playoff series. Or Durant/Draymond if they are playing Golden State. Harden will fold like the cheap tent he was at the end of our series.

[rjv]

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing you personally. Here's the thing about Nene.

1. He isn't included in the $91.5M in committed salaries. He played 19 mpg last year, and got paid about $3M.
2. He's getting old.
3. So if they sign him, and IF he is still just as good as he was last season, that will hold the Rockets even talent-wise. It won't make them better than last year.

The Rockets definitely got a good player in CP3. But they still have to deal with the same salary cap issues the Spurs are looking at. i don't see it as bashing because i'm not taking any concrete position on the CP3 move. i'm just repeating what i have heard. as it stands now, the rockets did not make that big a splash other than they upgraded the position once held by beverley. but they have lost depth to this point and still have significant deficiencies to address. supposedly, they intend to. whether they do (or can) or not is yet to be seen.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'll never believe that Houston is a real contender until I see it, but you'd have to be a delusional homer to ignore that they improved their roster, tbh..they lost a replaceable role player(Beverley) and the easiest type of player to find in the NBA(Lou Williams, volume shooting, no D type) in exchange for a top 3 PG..

I get it, though..there were many here arguing that the Warriors were making a mistake by signing Durant and losing scrubs, despite Durant being a far more natural fit with GS than Paul is with Houston:lol

[rastaspur]

I don't know who is "better" defensively, TBH. My point was just that the Rockets didn't get better on defense, over this trade.

Here's something I haven't seen anyone else talk about:

The Rockets are still going to have to fill a roster. They traded two guys who played 2,000 minutes each last season, for one guy who played 1,900 minutes. They are going to have to fill in a shitload of minutes, and a lot of them will almost certainly be with player(s) who aren't as good as those two. So no matter what they gained by adding Paul, they're going to give some back unless they make another deal somewhere.

It's a close call but I rank beverly the better defender. His on ball pressure is second to none in the nba. He gets after it.

But yes, I agree, they did not get better defensively. I would classify it as a veey slight regression.