The way Christians terrorize

[Blake]

....Cardinal George Pell, Pope Francis' chief financial adviser and Australia's most senior Catholic, is the highest-ranking Vatican official to ever be charged in the church's long-running sexual abuse scandal.

Victoria state Police Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton said police have summonsed Pell to appear in an Australian court to face multiple charges of "historic sexual offenses," meaning offenses that generally occurred some time ago. Patton said there are multiple complainants against Pell, but gave no other details on the allegations against the cardinal. Pell was ordered to appear in Melbourne Magistrates Court on July 18.

Pell has repeatedly denied all abuse allegations made against him. The Catholic Church in Australia, which issues statements on Pell's behalf, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the charges.

"It is important to note that none of the allegations that have been made against Cardinal Pell have, obviously, been tested in any court yet," Patton told reporters in Melbourne. "Cardinal Pell, like any other defendant, has a right to due process."

The charges are a new and serious blow to Pope Francis, who has already suffered several credibility setbacks in his promised "zero tolerance" policy about sex abuse.

.....

[TSA]

Job well done Aussie Voaters. Unbelievable what they uncovered on Pell.

[Blake]

"..CNN)For more than three decades, the Catholic Church has been rocked by sex abuse scandals spanning the globe.

And for decades, the church has been accused of protecting itself rather than the victims of child sexual abuse.

Here are some major scandals and revelations involving the Catholic Church and allegations of abuse.
...."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/world/timeline-catholic-church-sexual-abuse-scandals/index.html

[Blake]

Why is nobody calling to eradicate catholicism the same way they call to eradicate Islam

[Chris]

Blake, the Catholic Church has been perverting Christianity for 2000 years. Please don't lump all Christians together under that banner. Thread title should be: "The way Catholics terrorize". I don't lump all Muslims together as Shi'ite; you would be wise to do the same.

[Blake]

Lol okay thread title change. "The way the most prominent sect of Christians terrorize"

Feel better?

[DarrinS]

People are calling for the eradication of Islam?

[Blake]

People are calling for the eradication of Islam?

On this board they are

[Blake]

People are calling for the eradication of Islam?

There's also this guy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/02/labour-sacks-candidate-investigation-calling-eradication-islam/amp/

[Big Empty]

There are a billion catholics in the world. there will be crime. That's 3 United States put together.
Too assume there would be no crime at the top would mean to assume their would be no crime in a country three times the size of the US. There are bad apples in all religions. From your boy David Koresh to Warren Jeffs who were not catholic. The list goes on and on of non catholic pastors who do the exact same.

[Blake]

There are a billion catholics in the world. there will be crime. That's 3 United States put together.
Too assume there would be no crime at the top would mean to assume their would be no crime in a country three times the size of the US. There are bad apples in all religions. From your boy David Koresh to Warren Jeffs who were not catholic. The list goes on and on of non catholic pastors who do the exact same.

Yeah but the catholics are all together in a world wide structured organization.

Their failure at the vatican level to come down hard on these scandals is beyond appalling

[boutons_deux]

The problems with the Catholic Church are:

1. Why does the priesthood/brotherhood attract so many sexual predators? And why can't the CC detect them and block them from CC positions?

2. but the killer is not the CC criminals, but the CC hierarchy that knows the predators and protects them, covers up for them, moving them to new locations to commit more crimes.

What we have now is just the CC predators and victims in living memory. My guess is this has been going for much longer, even centuries.

[leemajors]

Blake, the Catholic Church has been perverting Christianity for 2000 years. Please don't lump all Christians together under that banner. Thread title should be: "The way Catholics terrorize". I don't lump all Muslims together as Shi'ite; you would be wise to do the same.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/avykzz/child-abuse-and-the-church-666

[Chris]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/avykzz/child-abuse-and-the-church-666

Child abuse always leads to SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) In short they like to tramautize a child early on with sex and animal mutilation which leads to dissociation or MPD. Higher up in the food chain you have to sacrifice children...they get high on their blood especially if the child is in terror which creates adrenaline. It has been going on for thousands of years. Check out this recent interview with a banker elite

e9mMdUGcRRw

[Blake]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/avykzz/child-abuse-and-the-church-666

Good read

[Blake]

Child abuse always leads to SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse)

Wut

[TSA]

anyone watched The Finders series on Netflix yet? I'm only through episode 2 and it's moving very slowly. Not sure if I'll finish it.

[SnakeBoy]

On this board they are

Who?

[monosylab1k]

Child abuse always leads to SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) In short they like to tramautize a child early on with sex and animal mutilation which leads to dissociation or MPD. Higher up in the food chain you have to sacrifice children...they get high on their blood especially if the child is in terror which creates adrenaline. It has been going on for thousands of years. Check out this recent interview with a banker elite

e9mMdUGcRRw

:lmao holy shit. holy fucking shit.

[Chris]

:lmao holy shit. holy fucking shit.

https://clevelandwill.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/larry-david-yawn.gif?w=300&h=167

[monosylab1k]

https://clevelandwill.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/larry-david-yawn.gif?w=300&h=167
:lmao what does daddeh think of your theory?

"But daaaaaaaad, you're acting like the globalist cuck Satanists who have been drinking the blood of rape children for millennia!"
http://i.imgur.com/8YSLORa.jpg

[Chris]

cuck

*ding

[monosylab1k]

*ding

https://clevelandwill.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/larry-david-yawn.gif?w=300&h=167

[Chris]

:lol

[spurraider21]

:lol this thread

[Blake]

https://clevelandwill.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/larry-david-yawn.gif?w=300&h=167

Still have no idea what you were rambling about with the satanic ritual stuff

[boutons_deux]

:lmao holy shit. holy fucking shit.

holy ditto, holy fucking ditto

[Blake]

Who?

Don't recall exactly.

But cmon. There's a whole thread rife with islamophobia.

If the board phobes don't care to eradicate it, they clearly want to keep it from growing here.

[leemajors]

Still have no idea what you were rambling about with the satanic ritual stuff

666 in the link text, he didn't read it at all.

[Blake]

666 in the link text, he didn't read it at all.

Lol

[monosylab1k]

666 in the link text, he didn't read it at all.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Joseph Kony]

Child abuse always leads to SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) In short they like to tramautize a child early on with sex and animal mutilation which leads to dissociation or MPD. Higher up in the food chain you have to sacrifice children...they get high on their blood especially if the child is in terror which creates adrenaline. It has been going on for thousands of years. Check out this recent interview with a banker elite

e9mMdUGcRRw
jesus fuck, i hope you're trying to be cute because thats some of the dumbest shit ive read on ST, and thats really saying something :lmao

[Pavlov]

Child abuse always leads to SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) In short they like to tramautize a child early on with sex and animal mutilation which leads to dissociation or MPD. Higher up in the food chain you have to sacrifice children...they get high on their blood especially if the child is in terror which creates adrenaline. It has been going on for thousands of years. Check out this recent interview with a banker elite

e9mMdUGcRRw


:lmao holy shit. holy fucking shit.


jesus fuck, i hope you're trying to be cute because thats some of the dumbest shit ive read on ST, and thats really saying something :lmao
Look familiar.


Ronald Bernard is a Dutch financial wizard who worked at the most secret level of global currency traffic. When he launched his career, he was warned to "put your conscience in the deep freeze." Little did he know that was an understatement.

nEpcY5JU120
Skip to 22:00 for child sacrifice story that forced him to quit

"You get so deep in these circles. ...I was trusted by the people playing at that level. To put it tactfully, most of those people follow a fringe religion. ...For them, it's truth and reality, and they served something immaterial that they called Lucifer."

"Then at some point I was invited to participate in sacrifices. Abroad.
"That was the breaking point. Children."

"You think they are there to serve and protect a people, country, et cetera. But they actually turn out to be criminal organizations, in fact heavily so. We're talking about financing wars, creating wars.... Secret services will stop at nothing.... They're trading in drugs, weapons, or for that matter, people.... all of them. All of them."

[Adam Lambert]

:lmao

[Earl Sweatshirt]

The Illuminati - so strong and all powerful, able to manipulate the world in every way possible.....taken down by a Dutch guy with a youtube account :lmao

[Chris]

Still have no idea what you were rambling about with the satanic ritual stuff

Oh OK Blake. What specifically were you confused about?

[Earl Sweatshirt]

that guy promotes Islamic banking as the best way to avoid the child sacrificing elites. Islamophobes like Chris promoting a guy who wants Sharia Law :lmao

[Blake]

Oh OK Blake. What specifically were you confused about?


All of it, tbh.

But let's start with "they".

Who is "they" exactly that get high on scared child blood?

[Chris]

All of it, tbh.

But let's start with "they".

Who is "they" exactly that get high on scared child blood?

Did you watch the interview? (probably not) The man clearly explains who "they" is. Next question.

[Blake]

Did you watch the interview? (probably not) The man clearly explains who "they" is. Next question.

No I didn't watch your video. Just answer the question so that we can remove some of these lols directed at you

[Chris]

No I didn't watch your video

Of course not. You have no interest in being educated because you have everything figured out.


Just answer the question

The Luciferians. I was hoping you could discern that.


we can remove some of these lols directed at you

"Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beatings for the backs of fools." Proverbs 19:29
"How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!" Psalm 1:1

[spurraider21]

the tenets of the satanic temple




One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word

[Pavlov]

the tenets of the satanic temple




One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word
Eat babies with Hillary Clinton.

[Chris]

the tenets of the satanic temple




One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word


Yeah, they also believe in an "eye for an eye" and "do what thou will is the whole of the law". The Bible teaches to forgive those who sin against us, and that no law made of man is above God's law. AFAIK they (the Church of Satan) are split with some following Lavey and the more hardcore practitioners of black magic follow Crowley. Freemasons worship Lucifer although most don't know that until they get into the higher degrees. They simply know him as the Great Architect or the Lightbearer. They believe Lucifer set us free in the Garden of Eden and that we were prisoners of God. This is all prophesy from the Bible.

[spurraider21]

:lol i actually know nothing about the satanic temple, i just remember that their tenets were pretty mild and tame, as opposed to people's perception of them being demented psychos

my understanding is that these people dont actually believe that shit, chris, it's allegorical to a general freedom from religion

[monosylab1k]

:lol i actually know nothing about the satanic temple, i just remember that their tenets were pretty mild and tame, as opposed to people's perception of them being demented psychos

my understanding is that these people dont actually believe that shit, chris, it's allegorical to a general freedom from religion

No no no no, they've been getting high on rape child blood for thousands of years in order to control the world banks. Trust me, i saw a youtube with a Dutch guy in it.

[spurraider21]

No no no no, they've been getting high on rape child blood for thousands of years in order to control the world banks. Trust me, i saw a youtube with a Dutch guy in it.
i think you mean "marinara sauce"

[monosylab1k]

i think you mean "marinara sauce"

:lol

[spurraider21]

:lol
man, i remember when CN claimed pizzagate was actually a conspiracy being spread by liberals pretending to be conservatives, to give them a bad name

[Chris]

Ask yourself why 2,000 children go missing in the United States per day. Ask yourself why as far back as our history goes (Sumerians) that they all worshiped a snake god. Sacrificing people and children for material gain or favor of the Gods has been prevalent for centuries...Is it really so silly to think that isn't happening now?

"But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down — the ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." Revelation 12:9

[Chris]

With enormous gratitude to Advance Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping
>> up again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to
>> the farm in Lovettsville. And I thought I’d share a couple more notes:
>> We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be
>> Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and
>> almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in
>> that pool for sure.

Media was quick to trivialize it into Pizza and everyone ate it up. Pedophiles are at the top of the food chain and are highly protected. Look up interviews with ex-CIA...they always say the crime syndicate leads to pedos and that they were never able to prosecute because of chain of command. You can bury your head in the sand, but these people exist and they are feasting on us.

[pgardn]

Of course not. You have no interest in being educated because you have everything figured out.



The Luciferians. I was hoping you could discern that.



"Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beatings for the backs of fools." Proverbs 19:29
"How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!" Psalm 1:1

Well...

The way I read it, you have run afoul of "your" stated rules.
Can I help chunk a holy icicle at your contradictory heart or what?

[leemajors]

Yeah, they also believe in an "eye for an eye" and "do what thou will is the whole of the law". The Bible teaches to forgive those who sin against us, and that no law made of man is above God's law. AFAIK they (the Church of Satan) are split with some following Lavey and the more hardcore practitioners of black magic follow Crowley. Freemasons worship Lucifer although most don't know that until they get into the higher degrees. They simply know him as the Great Architect or the Lightbearer. They believe Lucifer set us free in the Garden of Eden and that we were prisoners of God. This is all prophesy from the Bible.

:lol Crowley just loved fucking with gullible shits like you

[Chris]

Well...

The way I read it, you have run afoul of "your" stated rules.
Can I help chunk a holy icicle at your contradictory heart or what?

You can do as you please. I was born a child of Adam as you were and am guilty or original sin. I seek repentance because I sin daily.

[pgardn]

Ask yourself why 2,000 children go missing in the United States per day. Ask yourself why as far back as our history goes (Sumerians) that they all worshiped a snake god. Sacrificing people and children for material gain or favor of the Gods has been prevalent for centuries...Is it really so silly to think that isn't happening now?

"But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down — the ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." Revelation 12:9

Now with the Fkn mocking of the leg less lizards.
It never ends. I think spiders deserve more derision.

[Chris]

:lol Crowley just loved fucking with gullible shits like you

Crowley enjoyed prepubescent boys and eating feces. I'm happy you care lm :tu

[pgardn]

You can do as you please. I was born a child of Adam as you were and am guilty or original sin. I seek repentance because I sin daily.

So just don't admit that you sin, try your best not to.
Do that.

[Earl Sweatshirt]

Ask yourself why 2,000 children go missing in the United States per day. Ask yourself why as far back as our history goes (Sumerians) that they all worshiped a snake god. Sacrificing people and children for material gain or favor of the Gods has been prevalent for centuries...Is it really so silly to think that isn't happening now?

"But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down — the ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." Revelation 12:9

https://stepcdn.com/assets/legacy/296/staring-reaction-gifs-700x.gif


Media was quick to trivialize it into Pizza and everyone ate it up. Pedophiles are at the top of the food chain and are highly protected. Look up interviews with ex-CIA...they always say the crime syndicate leads to pedos and that they were never able to prosecute because of chain of command. You can bury your head in the sand, but these people exist and they are feasting on us.

http://cdn2.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/tumblr_inline_mgv01qbWPt1r5c8sb.gif

[pgardn]

https://stepcdn.com/assets/legacy/296/staring-reaction-gifs-700x.gif



http://cdn2.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/tumblr_inline_mgv01qbWPt1r5c8sb.gif

When it gets to this point just go with it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ask yourself why 2,000 children go missing in the United States per day. Ask yourself why as far back as our history goes (Sumerians) that they all worshiped a snake god. Sacrificing people and children for material gain or favor of the Gods has been prevalent for centuries...Is it really so silly to think that isn't happening now?

"But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down — the ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." Revelation 12:9

I'd say child predation by church leaders and the church trying to sweep it under the rug to maintain their image has done more harm to children than any satanist.

I do like how Constantine decided to include that rant in his central dogma. Between that and Paul I have always felt that they fucked Jesus over.

[Chris]

I'd say child predation by church leaders and the church trying to sweep it under the rug to maintain their image has done more harm to children than any satanist.

I do like how Constantine decided to include that rant in his central dogma. Between that and Paul I have always felt that they fucked Jesus over.

I'm glad you brought up Constantine. He was responsible for merging Christianity with Paganism to appease the overall masses. His version of Saturnalia is actually what we celebrate as Christmas today. Christmas broken down is Christ Mass, so when we say Merry Christmas we're actually saying Merry Death of Christ. The Bible warns us of celebrating holidays ("You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain" Galatians 4:11). Nowhere in the Bible does it say we are to celebrate the life or death of Jesus Christ. A lot of Christians are being deceived. In fact, most of the holidays (Holy Days) we celebrate now coincide with Pagan solstices.




http://i63.tinypic.com/30szvx1.jpg





I highly recommend youtubing Stephen Dollins.

[monosylab1k]

Making Santa look like an evil Jew caricature is a nice touch :lol

[pgardn]

The Greeks were using little kids way before Jesus was born. This has been a sad perversion for a very long time. But it's easy to say that now... In a western world where its proper to treat children as innocents instead of slaves. "Good" non Catholic Christians were using brutal child labor up until very recently.

[spurraider21]

A lot of Christians are being deceived.
this we can definitely agree on. though i'd say "all" instead of "a lot"

[pgardn]

I'm glad you brought up Constantine. He was responsible for merging Christianity with Paganism to appease the overall masses. His version of Saturnalia is actually what we celebrate as Christmas today. Christmas broken down is Christ Mass, so when we say Merry Christmas we're actually saying Merry Death of Christ. The Bible warns us of celebrating holidays ("You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain" Galatians 4:11). Nowhere in the Bible does it say we are to celebrate the life or death of Jesus Christ. A lot of Christians are being deceived. In fact, most of the holidays (Holy Days) we celebrate now coincide with Pagan solstices.




http://i63.tinypic.com/30szvx1.jpg





I highly recommend youtubing Stephen Dollins.

Take a walk on the bizzare side of town.
Cmon...
Are you a wayward Pentecostal or what?

[pgardn]

this we can definitely agree on. though i'd say "all" instead of "a lot"

How Christian of Chris to believe that Christians are being deceived.
Chase that tail.

[leemajors]

Take a walk on the bizzare side of town.
Cmon...
Are you a wayward Pentecostal or what?


It is becoming widely known that the Negroes, Native American Indians and Hispanics are the true descendants of the Israelites

truenation.org is amazing

[monosylab1k]

So what happens when Fox News does it's yearly "War On Christmas" bullshit? Does Chris side with Fox for promoting Satanic rape blood paganism day, or does he side with the satanic rape blood drinkers for fighting against it?

[Chris]

Israel = Isis Ra & El (ancient Egyptian Gods) The Jews are being deceived as well. The Star of David has nothing to do with Judaism and everything to do with Saturn (Satan). A representation of the Goddess Isis is manifested in the Statue of Liberty.

[spurraider21]

Israel = Isis Ra & El (ancient Egyptian Gods) The Jews are being deceived as well. The Star of David has nothing to do with Judaism and everything to do with Saturn (Satan). A representation of the Goddess Isis is manifested in the Statue of Liberty.
:wow

[Chris]

So what happens when Fox News does it's yearly "War On Christmas" bullshit? Does Chris side with Fox for promoting Satanic rape blood paganism day, or does he side with the satanic rape blood drinkers for fighting against it?

I don't celebrate holidays and I certainly don't watch Fox News :lol Keep inventing imaginary punching bags Champ. Larry David is waiting.

[spurraider21]

this thread is going full

https://naij-ask.gencdn.com/questions/24687-8c7890-illuminati-logo-501x501.jpg

[Chris]

this thread is going full

https://naij-ask.gencdn.com/questions/24687-8c7890-illuminati-logo-501x501.jpg

The eye of Horus or Lucifer. Pretty neat they just happened to put that on to the most common form of our currency. They exist hidden in plain sight.

[spurraider21]

https://i.giphy.com/media/vkwAeqMEUSaoU/giphy.webp

[Chris]

Memes and gifs from 21...

https://clevelandwill.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/larry-david-yawn.gif?w=300&h=167

Next.

[monosylab1k]

I don't celebrate holidays and I certainly don't watch Fox News :lol Keep inventing imaginary punching bags Champ. Larry David is waiting.

That's a good goy.

[Chris]

That's a good goy.

You're such a good goyim :lol

[spurraider21]

lets not forgot your meme on pagan holidays and le happy santa

[Pavlov]

So TSA and Chris nuts.

[leemajors]

So TSA and Chris nuts.

Must be kinda sweet to live in a political fantasy novel, tbh

[DarrinS]

The way they terrorize is by knocking on your door and trying to talk to you about god and/or Jesus, tbh

[Thread]

The way they terrorize is by knocking on your door and trying to talk to you about god and/or Jesus, tbh

That's just this side of death on a Saturday morn when you peek out that peep hole and see 'em out there on the stoop dressed to the 9's with Latter Day Bibles all around, even the little ones have one. I mute the TV and come in here till the coast is clear again.

[DarrinS]

That's just this side of death on a Saturday morn when you peek out that peep hole and see 'em out there on the stoop dressed to the 9's with Latter Day Bibles all around, even the little ones have one. I mute the TV and come in here till the coast is clear again.

If I see the white short sleeve dudes on bikes, I don't open the door. :lol

[spurraider21]

The way they terrorize is by knocking on your door and trying to talk to you about god and/or Jesus, tbh
Or with legislation that imposes your beliefs on the public at large

[Adam Lambert]

"no sharia law!"
"no marriage benefits for two married women!"

[DarrinS]

Or with legislation that imposes your beliefs on the public at large

Such as?

[spurraider21]

Such as?
DOMA is a recent example

our current administration had been working on a bill that would allow federally funded organizations to refuse service to people based on religious preferences (https://www.thenation.com/article/leaked-draft-of-trumps-religious-freedom-order-reveals-sweeping-plans-to-legalize-discrimination/)

voucher programs, while good in theory, end up merely being channels by which federal/state funds are taken from public schools and transferred to private schools, most of which are religious

on a more local level, school boards altering science curriculums to align with certain religious views

getting churches involved in the political arena

[Blake]

Making Santa look like an evil Jew caricature is a nice touch :lol

Lol

[Blake]

Of course not. You have no interest in being educated because you have everything figured out.



The Luciferians. I was hoping you could discern that.



"Penalties are prepared for mockers, and beatings for the backs of fools." Proverbs 19:29
"How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!" Psalm 1:1

Why did you bring up Luciferians in this thread

[pgardn]

Israel = Isis Ra & El (ancient Egyptian Gods) The Jews are being deceived as well. The Star of David has nothing to do with Judaism and everything to do with Saturn (Satan). A representation of the Goddess Isis is manifested in the Statue of Liberty.

But "they" can't fool you.
Way to go Chris.

Keep bringing truth to the board.

And good job attempting to prove the OPs point ya fn nut job.

[Chris]

X5g3pQiCiy4

[Blake]

Oh neat

[monosylab1k]

http://i63.tinypic.com/2h5096a.jpg

[DMC]

Did the OP say it was going to be a blow to the pope? Sounds like they are moving right along.

[DMC]

Why is nobody calling to eradicate catholicism the same way they call to eradicate Islam

Let me splain this to you...

I'll give you two scenarios, very similar. You tell me which is Catholicism and which is Islam:

1. Child comes home and complains to parents that Father O'Feely touched him inappriately. Parents get mad and call the police, file a suit and a restraining order on the offender.

2. Child comes home, doesn't say anything. 2 days later his head shows up in a bag with a video of him being beheaded. Parents commit suicide.

You decide.

If you guess right, you know the difference already, stop being a faggot.

[spurraider21]

Let me splain this to you...

I'll give you two scenarios, very similar. You tell me which is Catholicism and which is Islam:

1. Child comes home and complains to parents that Father O'Feely touched him inappriately. Parents get mad and call the police, file a suit and a restraining order on the offender.

2. Child comes home, doesn't say anything. 2 days later his head shows up in a bag with a video of him being beheaded. Parents commit suicide.

You decide.

If you guess right, you know the difference already, stop being a faggot.
what country are they in?

[Thread]

what country are they in?

Chicago, IL.

[spurraider21]

Chicago, IL.
oh. well i've never heard of that sort of religious beheading in chicago, so my conclusion wouldn't be that #2 was a muslim, which is what dmc was going for

[Blake]

Let me splain this to you...

I'll give you two scenarios, very similar. You tell me which is Catholicism and which is Islam:

1. Child comes home and complains to parents that Father O'Feely touched him inappriately. Parents get mad and call the police, file a suit and a restraining order on the offender.

2. Child comes home, doesn't say anything. 2 days later his head shows up in a bag with a video of him being beheaded. Parents commit suicide.

You decide.

If you guess right, you know the difference already, stop being a faggot.

All that happened to Father OFeely was a civil suit and a restraining order?

No criminal charges and no cathlophobes crying to rid the world of Catholic extremists?

Sounds about right

[DMC]

what country are they in?

Why does it matter?

[DMC]

All that happened to Father OFeely was a civil suit and a restraining order?

No criminal charges and no cathlophobes crying to rid the world of Catholic extremists?

Sounds about right
I said they called the cops. I didn't say what happened to the perp in example 2. You ok with that person not being tracked and killed but not with Father O'Feely?> Were you felt up?

[Blake]

I said they called the cops. I didn't say what happened to the perp in example 2. You ok with that person not being tracked and killed but not with Father O'Feely?> Were you felt up?

I was only asking about example 1. Thought it was pretty clear.

I have no idea what your question is implying. You made no mention of criminal charges against the father. Why didn't the cops press charges?

[DMC]

I was only asking about example 1. Thought it was pretty clear.

I have no idea what your question is implying. You made no mention of criminal charges against the father. Why didn't the cops press charges?

Hasn't gotten that far.

Based on the two examples, you cannot tell which is catholic and which is muslim? How many catholic beheadings are there these days? Would you rather your child be touched improperly or beheaded?

Easy question, Blake. You can dodge all you like, but the difference between the two religions is quite stark, though not that great if you examine their histories. Trying to equate the two is the wrong approach. It's like comparing a pedophile to a murderer.

[spurraider21]

Hasn't gotten that far.

Based on the two examples, you cannot tell which is catholic and which is muslim? How many catholic beheadings are there these days? Would you rather your child be touched improperly or beheaded?

Easy question, Blake. You can dodge all you like, but the difference between the two religions is quite stark, though not that great if you examine their histories. Trying to equate the two is the wrong approach. It's like comparing a pedophile to a murderer.
if you replaced father in question 1 with imam, would that still be a catholic? :lol

you basically call #1 a catholic person then ask us if he's catholic (and pretend we're supposed to arrive at the conclusion based on the other circumstances)

[spurraider21]

let me do it better:

1) a catholic boy reports a priest
2) a muslim boy gets beheaded

which one do you think is catholic, which one do you think is muslim?

[DMC]

if you replaced father in question 1 with imam, would that still be a catholic? :lol

you basically call #1 a catholic person then ask us if he's catholic (and pretend we're supposed to arrive at the conclusion based on the other circumstances)

It should be easy then. Why are you struggling with it?

And I believe I was talking to Blake.

[DMC]

let me do it better:

1) a catholic boy reports a priest
2) a muslim boy gets beheaded

which one do you think is catholic, which one do you think is muslim?
You can play with your weiner without my help, Philo.

[Adam Lambert]

Let me splain this to you...

I'll give you two scenarios, very similar. You tell me which is Catholicism and which is Islam:

1. Child comes home and complains to parents that Father O'Feely touched him inappriately. Parents get mad and call the police, file a suit and a restraining order on the offender.

2. Child comes home, doesn't say anything. 2 days later his head shows up in a bag with a video of him being beheaded. Parents commit suicide.

You decide.

If you guess right, you know the difference already, stop being a faggot.

muslims in the us dont behead people just like christians in the us dont stone people based on rumors that theyre witches.

in the us, christians rape children at a higher frequency than muslims rape theirs. that is fact.

stop being an idiot.

[Chris]

in the us, christians rape children at a higher frequency than muslims rape theirs. that is fact.

Link?

[Adam Lambert]

Link?

google catholic priest rape, dumbass, assuming you dont already have that bookmarked

unless youre suggesting theres a bigger pedophilia ring among muslims than in the catholic church that hasnt been discovered. but that would be an assumption of pizzagate proportions and we know youre not that.... oh wait nm.

[Chris]

google catholic priest rape, dumbass, assuming you dont already have that bookmarked

unless youre suggesting theres a bigger pedophilia ring among muslims than in the catholic church that hasnt been discovered. but that would be an assumption of pizzagate proportions and we know youre not that.... oh wait nm.

You said it was a fact. I would like to see your research. Put up or shut up faggot.

[Blake]

Hasn't gotten that far.

Based on the two examples, you cannot tell which is catholic and which is muslim? How many catholic beheadings are there these days? Would you rather your child be touched improperly or beheaded?

Easy question, Blake. You can dodge all you like, but the difference between the two religions is quite stark, though not that great if you examine their histories. Trying to equate the two is the wrong approach. It's like comparing a pedophile to a murderer.

Lol dodging. I thought it was a retarded rhetorical question.

I'm not saying the crimes are the same. I guess death is worse than sexual assault. You're missing the point.

Strange that you're taking pedo sexual assault so lightly. Is Father O Feely a real person in your past? Did you enjoy it?

[Blake]

You said it was a fact. I would like to see your research. Put up or shut up faggot.

I like when Christians like Chris act like Jesus.

Is it really that important to you to have that type of scoreboard?

[spurraider21]

Scenario 1: a christian boy beheads his family
Scenario 2: a muslim boy prays, goes to school, and and does his homework at night

which one do you think is christian and which one is muslim?

[Blake]

Scenario 1: a christian boy beheads his family
Scenario 2: a muslim boy prays, goes to school, and and does his homework at night

which one do you think is christian and which one is muslim?

Which one followed his holy book to the letter?

[Adam Lambert]

You said it was a fact. I would like to see your research. Put up or shut up faggot.

:lol infowars faggot now wants to see the evidence.

:lol go fuck yourself, i dont care what you think, faggot.

[Chris]

:lol infowars faggot now wants to see the evidence.

:lol go fuck yourself, i dont care what you think, faggot.

So you were talking out of your ass. Next.

[Chris]

I like when Christians like Chris act like Jesus.

I'll just bet you do.


Is it really that important to you to have that type of scoreboard?

There is no scoreboard Blake. This is a discussion board. :tu

[Adam Lambert]

So you were talking out of your ass. Next.

nope, speaking from experience in reality and common sense, something an infowars and wrestling fanboy wouldnt understand

bye.

[Blake]

I'll just bet you do.

Oh you know I'm lolling when Christians drop faggot bombs on the heathen




There is no scoreboard Blake. This is a discussion board. :tu

There is definitely a scoreboard in your head as to which religious group has more rapes.

If not, then your question wasn't really a discussion question.

[Chucho]

nope, speaking from experience in reality and common sense, something an infowars and wrestling fanboy wouldnt understand

bye.


So, you were raped? Makes sense, Kool.

[DMC]

muslims in the us dont behead people just like christians in the us dont stone people based on rumors that theyre witches.

in the us, christians rape children at a higher frequency than muslims rape theirs. that is fact.

stop being an idiot.

So it's because they are in the US?

:lol

[Adam Lambert]

So it's because they are in the US?

:lol

thats the meaning you got? holy shit you are dumb

[DMC]

Scenario 1: a christian boy beheads his family
Scenario 2: a muslim boy prays, goes to school, and and does his homework at night

which one do you think is christian and which one is muslim?

:cry The muslims are misunderstood
:cry Caliphate is equal to church camp

[DMC]

Lol dodging. I thought it was a retarded rhetorical question.

I'm not saying the crimes are the same. I guess death is worse than sexual assault. You're missing the point.

Strange that you're taking pedo sexual assault so lightly. Is Father O Feely a real person in your past? Did you enjoy it?

But it's not against the muslim faith. You're judging the muslims by the christian criminal code. If you were muslim, your ex wife would have her face boiled off with acid before being raped by the village and shot at the povertyball field. As it is, in the christian society, she's out shopping.

Yeah, same thing.

[spurraider21]

:cry The muslims are misunderstood
:cry Caliphate is equal to church camp
fundamentalist islam is as bad as it gets

[DMC]

fundamentalist islam is as bad as it gets

Is it worse than fundamental Christianity?

[spurraider21]

Is it worse than fundamental Christianity?
it's at least as bad

i dont care to nitpick between the worst of the worst, usually. neither has a place in our society/world.

[DMC]

thats the meaning you got? holy shit you are dumb

Do you not think the WTC bombers were in the US?

When were you born?

[DMC]

it's at least as bad

i dont care to nitpick between the worst of the worst, usually

Give an example of a fundamental Christian sect and compare their antics with fundamental islam.

[DMC]

Did you get all your editing done yet Philo?

[spurraider21]

if you weren't constantly hammering the refresh key anticipating my responses, the ~30 second delay between my post and the edit wouldn't be so problematic

[spurraider21]

Give an example of a fundamental Christian sect and compare their antics with fundamental islam.
i dont really think there's an active fundamentalist christian sect. do you want me to go back historically?

i would categorize a fundamentalist sect as one where their legal/justice system is derived from their scripture

[Adam Lambert]

Do you not think the WTC bombers were in the US?

When were you born?

:lol
he brings up 9/11 like it makes him look smart to invoke the godwins law of islamophobes

bitch dont you have anything from the past 15 years involving actual us residents?

[Adam Lambert]

i dont really think there's an active fundamentalist christian sect. do you want me to go back historically?

i would categorize a fundamentalist sect as one where their legal/justice system is derived from their scripture

this is an easy answer, and if you were reading my posts instead of dissecting whether my alt-accusations are accurate you could have answered this a lot better.

fundamental christians are just as bad as fundamental islamists in the middle eastern and african shitholes where fundamental islam is actually practiced. christians over there regularly kill children rumored to be witches, execute people for adultery and heresy, and all of the same backwards bullshit that goes on with muslims in those areas but that you dont hear about because christians are a small minority over there and dont have the numbers or oil reserves to create their own terrorist groups.

its a 3rd world shithole problem not a religion problem.

[spurraider21]

if you did a better job of wiping semen out of your eyes you'd see that i was specifically referring to places where their legal/justice system is derived from scripture

i have no doubts that there are homicidal nutjobs of all varieties

[Chris]

fundamental christians are just as bad as fundamental islamists in the middle eastern and african shitholes where fundamental islam is actually practiced. christians over there regularly kill children rumored to be witches, execute people for adultery and heresy, and all of the same backwards bullshit that goes on with muslims in those areas but that you dont hear about because christians are a small minority over there and dont have the numbers or oil reserves to create their own terrorist groups.

What a crock of shit :lmao

[Adam Lambert]

if you did a better job of wiping semen out of your eyes you'd see that i was specifically referring to places where their legal/justice system is derived from scripture

i have no doubts that there are homicidal nutjobs of all varieties

still relevant. you dont think those shitholes consider their village rules a legal/justice system? if they had majorities in any of those countries, it would be the same shit at the national level.

[spurraider21]

still relevant. you dont think those shitholes consider their village rules a legal/justice system? if they had majorities in any of those countries, it would be the same shit at the national level.
as if there are no christian majority countries in africa or the middle east

[DMC]

i dont really think there's an active fundamentalist christian sect. do you want me to go back historically?

i would categorize a fundamentalist sect as one where their legal/justice system is derived from their scripture

Are you going to do back for the fundamental Islamists?

Compare most fundamental Christian sect today vs most fundamental Islamist sect.

[Chris]

21, I know you want to cite the Crusades with your "historical" reference. Just know that they were a response to 400 YEARS (that's right 400 big ones) of Islamic oppression. Also keep in mind they were taking back their land - Jerusalem. Oppression is a nice word for slaughter, rape, and pillaging on a massive scale. Also, it was (guess who?) the corrupt Catholics and the Pope doing the ordering. I'm absolutely convinced there is nothing new under the sun.

[spurraider21]

Are you going to do back for the fundamental Islamists?

Compare most fundamental Christian sect today vs most fundamental Islamist sect.


i dont really think there's an active fundamentalist christian sect. do you want me to go back historically?

i would categorize a fundamentalist sect as one where their legal/justice system is derived from their scripture

[spurraider21]

21, I know you want to cite the Crusades with your "historical" reference. Just know that they were a response to 400 YEARS (that's right 400 big ones) of Islamic oppression. Also keep in mind they were taking back their land - Jerusalem. Oppression is a nice word for slaughter, rape, and pillaging on a massive scale. Also, it was (guess who?) the corrupt Catholics and the Pope doing the ordering. I'm absolutely convinced there is nothing new under the sun.
forget the crusades. look at the spanish inquisition.

i'm not turning this into a christian vs muslim pissing contest regarding which is better or worse. i think religious fundamentalism is the enemy.

[Chris]

forget the crusades. look at the spanish inquisition.

Another Catholic adventure.

[spurraider21]

Another Catholic adventure.
difference without a distinction

[DMC]

:lol
he brings up 9/11 like it makes him look smart to invoke the godwins law of islamophobes

bitch dont you have anything from the past 15 years involving actual us residents?

Guess you never heard of Fort Hood, San Bernadino, your friends at the gay nightclub in Orlando...

All that just float right over your pine knot head?

[Adam Lambert]

as if there are no christian majority countries in africa or the middle east

the "they" means the kinds of christians who stone children and practice old testament christianity. but no, there aren't any christian majority countries in the middle east, and none in africa anywhere near the middle east.

look, just go read up on nagaland and come back after.

[spurraider21]

when you look at the average christian person in the US who preys, goes to school/work, goes to church, and goes to sleep... and the average muslim person in the US who does the same (maybe with a few more prayers and different diet), i don't think either person is any more or less dangerous based on which book they like to read at night.

[Adam Lambert]

Guess you never heard of Fort Hood, San Bernadino, your friends at the gay nightclub in Orlando...

All that just float right over your pine knot head?

suddenly youve invented a new conversation out of thin air that we werent having.

go reread the thread and try again, idiot.

[spurraider21]

the "they" means the kinds of christians who stone children and practice old testament christianity. but no, there aren't any christian majority countries in the middle east, and none in africa anywhere near the middle east.

look, just go read up on nagaland and come back after.though small, cyprus is a christian majority country in the middle east. armenia borders turkey and iran.

[DMC]

Philo, fundamental Christianity has nothing to do with the legal system. It wasn't their legal system in the time of Christ, for Christ's sake.

You misunderstand fundamentalism. It's not just the time when the clergy ruled the laity. One person can be a fundamentalist. Your narrow definition is more akin to an escape hatch for you than a true caveat.

So you said fundamental islam is the worst. When a belief is practiced fundamentally, it's practiced at its true core, and Muslims purport to have one book and one belief, unchanged since inception. Name off some muslim denominations.

[DMC]

suddenly youve invented a new conversation out of thin air that we werent having.

go reread the thread and try again, idiot.

Because those guys, they were the US version of fundamental Islam, more user friendly, amirite?

[spurraider21]

Philo, fundamental Christianity has nothing to do with the legal system. It wasn't their legal system in the time of Christ, for Christ's sake.

You misunderstand fundamentalism. It's not just the time when the clergy ruled the laity. One person can be a fundamentalist. Your narrow definition is more akin to an escape hatch for you than a true caveat.

So you said fundamental islam is the worst. When a belief is practiced fundamentally, it's practiced at its true core, and Muslims purport to have one book and one belief, unchanged since inception. Name off some muslim denominations.
if we're going to define fundamentalism as an individual belief, then i retract my comment saying fundamentalist islam is "the worst"

i know plenty of muslim people who believe in the quran literally, which would be considered fundamentalist according to the dictionary. but they dont go around stoning people or raping women or w/e

[DMC]

forget the crusades. look at the spanish inquisition.

i'm not turning this into a christian vs muslim pissing contest regarding which is better or worse. i think religious fundamentalism is the enemy.

That's chickenshit leveling Philo. You go to extremes to appear neutral. You already stepped outside your box of neutrality and called fundamentalist Islam the worst. Then you said they are both the worst. Then you wanted to go back to medieval days to compare the Templars the RCC to modern day Islam.

Shit or get off the pot Philo.

[spurraider21]

look, just go read up on nagaland and come back after.
and the problem there is their fundamentalism (the group you are referring to wishes to establish a theocracy). they're not "worse" because they're christian as opposed to muslim or vise versa. that's my underlying point in all this. nutjobs who bastardize their religion to that level are the danger.

[spurraider21]

That's chickenshit leveling Philo. You go to extremes to appear neutral. You already stepped outside your box of neutrality and called fundamentalist Islam the worst. Then you said they are both the worst. Then you wanted to go back to medieval days to compare the Templars the RCC to modern day Islam.

Shit or get off the pot Philo.
i called them the worst in the context of the definition i gave.

you urged me to adjust the definition of the term, and therefore my characterization was no longer accurate.

[Adam Lambert]

Because those guys, they were the US version of fundamental Islam, more user friendly, amirite?

what was fundamental about any of those? they were murderers who were muslims. what, you dont think chicago gangstas go to church on sunday? i guess if jamal goes to church to see grandma sing in the choir, then goes and knocks off a corner full of hoppers that night, thats fundamental christianity.

you cant even keep up with your own argument. the san bernadino shooting wasnt some execution of domestic sharia law, it was a couple of assholes who got inspired by a bunch of assholes overseas.

idiot.

[spurraider21]

1. muslim person in a vacuum - not inherently dangerous, even if they take the book literally
2. christian person in a vacuum -not inherently dangerous, even if they take the book literally

3. muslim theocracy (fundamentalist society) - dangerous
4. christian theocracy (fundamentalist society) - dangerous

i'm also well aware that #4 essentially does not exist in today's world, and #3 does.

that's my general dumbed down position

[Adam Lambert]

and the problem there is their fundamentalism (the group you are referring to wishes to establish a theocracy). they're not "worse" because they're christian as opposed to muslim or vise versa. that's my underlying point in all this. nutjobs who bastardize their religion to that level are the danger.

so we agree.

[DMC]

if we're going to define fundamentalism as an individual belief, then i retract my comment saying fundamentalist islam is "the worst"

i know plenty of muslim people who believe in the quran literally, which would be considered fundamentalist according to the dictionary. but they dont go around stoning people or raping women or w/e

You're leveling agai

Entire countries are run by Imams and Clerics and just being promiscuous can get you shot in the head in a public venue. How is that on par with the Holy See of the exact same time period?

I'm atheist through and through, but there's a huge difference between Christianity and Islam in terms of social construct. Pretending fundamental Islam isn't a cancer to a democracy might get you through a forum banter segment, but it's just a fantasy.

I hate Christianity and I hate Islam, but I can say that about Christianity and not get beheaded or have a fatwa issued against me. I can draw a depiction of Jesus without being gunned down on my front porch or in my office like Charlie Hebdo. Now go ahead and give some anecdotes about how someone you know who wears a hijab seems ok.

[DMC]

and the problem there is their fundamentalism (the group you are referring to wishes to establish a theocracy). they're not "worse" because they're christian as opposed to muslim or vise versa. that's my underlying point in all this. nutjobs who bastardize their religion to that level are the danger.

There's nothing about fundamental Christianity that says anything about establishing a theocracy. Quite the opposite actually. The theocracy is a political move by niche, character actors like that faggot Pat Buchanan and other piece of shit posers. Churches exist all across the USA, everywhere, yet we had a guy named Hussien Obama as a President and now Donald Trump who grabs her by the pussy.

We're hardly moving toward theocracy. We started by moving away from it, and we were most theocratic at the inception. That doesn't mean we're moving away from tenets of fundamentalist in Christianity. It means our basic tenets never recognized them to begin with. We don't credit the CoN with establishing basic social structure. It wasn't ok to kill before the 10 Commandments, and that wasn't just in Egypt.

[spurraider21]

You're leveling again
:rolleyes... if my position was based on a certain definition, and we are changing the definition, of course that's going to happen


Entire countries are run by Imams and Clerics and just being promiscuous can get you shot in the head in a public venue. How is that on par with the Holy See of the exact same time period? and i've repeatedly said that entire countries run by clerics are dangerous/shitty


I'm atheist through and through, but there's a huge difference between Christianity and Islam in terms of social construct.and as i've said in other posts numerous times now, i agree with this. muslim theocracies exist, christian ones dont


Pretending fundamental Islam isn't a cancer to a democracy might get you through a forum banter segment, but it's just a fantasy.
an individual who believes in the quran literally yet still abides by our laws is not dangerous.


I hate Christianity and I hate Islam, but I can say that about Christianity and not get beheaded or have a fatwa issued against me.
you literally just said "i hate islam" and i don't think you've been behaeded yet


I can draw a depiction of Jesus without being gunned down on my front porch or in my office like Charlie Hebdo. Now go ahead and give some anecdotes about how someone you know who wears a hijab seems ok.you can draw funny pictures of muhammad and post them online right now. i dont think you'll get gunned down anytime soon.

[DMC]

1. muslim person in a vacuum - not inherently dangerous, even if they take the book literally
2. christian person in a vacuum -not inherently dangerous, even if they take the book literally

3. muslim theocracy (fundamentalist society) - dangerous
4. christian theocracy (fundamentalist society) - dangerous

i'm also well aware that #4 essentially does not exist in today's world, and #3 does.

that's my general dumbed down position

So your position is to compare something nonexistent with something that does?

Do you think Vatican City is dangerous? Maybe you'll get your pee pee sucked, but compare that to Mecca.

[spurraider21]

There's nothing about fundamental Christianity that says anything about establishing a theocracy. Quite the opposite actually. disagree. this is why religious voters continually try to push their religious agenda into legislation.


The theocracy is a political move by niche, character actors like that faggot Pat Buchanan and other piece of shit posers. Churches exist all across the USA, everywhere, yet we had a guy named Hussien Obama as a President and now Donald Trump who grabs her by the pussy.we also have mosques all across the USA and we dont see mass beheadings even though people order bacon at restaurants and gays get married


We're hardly moving toward theocracy. We started by moving away from it, and we were most theocratic at the inception. That doesn't mean we're moving away from tenets of fundamentalist in Christianity. It means our basic tenets never recognized them to begin with. We don't credit the CoN with establishing basic social structure. It wasn't ok to kill before the 10 Commandments, and that wasn't just in Egypt.i dont think we're moving toward theocracy either. and of course we're moving away from tenets of fundamentalist christianity. do you really want to go looking up bible verses and finding all the tenets that we'd find inhumane today?

[spurraider21]

So your position is to compare something nonexistent with something that does?

Do you think Vatican City is dangerous? Maybe you'll get your pee pee sucked, but compare that to Mecca.
except the laws of vatican city are derived from the secular law of italy

their statutes dont make citations to the bible. for instance, consenting adults can have gay sex in vatican city without being arrested for violating the law of the lord

[DMC]

:rolleyes... if my position was based on a certain definition, and we are changing the definition, of course that's going to happen

and i've repeatedly said that entire countries run by clerics are dangerous/shitty

You said fundamentalist theocracies of either belief are dangerous. I give you the Vatican City. You can say they aren't fundamental but aren't they the subject of this thread to begin with? Wasn't the comment that they are basically the same as muslim terrorists?

The issue is that you use the word "dangerous" twice and means something different each time. It's like saying a slippery floor is dangerous, and so is a nuclear bomb.




and as i've said in other posts numerous times now, i agree with this. muslim theocracies exist, christian ones dont

Then why did you invoke them as a comparison? I asked you to name a fundamentalist Christian sect. Would you say the Mennonites are fundamentalists? Apostolics? Evangelical Christians? Assembly of God? Pentecostals who speak in tongues and roll around the floor with the "Holy Spirit"?

The first Christians were more of a secret society, but somehow fundamental Christianity has become the Tudors and Borgias.


an individual who believes in the quran literally yet still abides by our laws is not dangerous.

Then you're ignorant of the Qu'ran or you need to brush up on epistemology just a bit if you think the two can co-exist (belief and "abides").


you literally just said "i hate islam" and i don't think you've been behaeded yet

I laid that out there for you, you're struggling and I knew you'd take that one right away. When you decide to drop the 15 year old fat girl schtick, let me know. I thought you went to law school.


you can draw funny pictures of muhammad and post them online right now. i dont think you'll get gunned down anytime soon.
Are you saying the Charlie was killed in a botched robbery attempt and the two gunmen who were killed in Garland Texas at a police rally were strippers who took it just a bit too far?

:lol you downplay that shit like it's a myth but hide here in your neutrality in fear that one day someone might trace this meaningless forum shit back to you. #comfortablecourage

[DMC]

except the laws of vatican city are derived from the secular law of italy

their statutes dont make citations to the bible. for instance, consenting adults can have gay sex in vatican city without being arrested for violating the law of the lord

Why don't Islamist theocracies behave in such a manner? I mean, they are basically the same.

[spurraider21]

this all goes back to my characterization of the "bad fundamentalism" as those where their governing law comes from scripture

because that is a society that will foster further fanaticism/extremism

[spurraider21]

and if you're all about being secular and avoiding theocracy, you might want to ask yourself which people are trying to inject their religion into US law? are their droves of muslim parents going to school board meetings in texas trying to get them to ease up on their evolution curriculum because there is no evidence for evolution?

was the dover intelligent design case brought by hijab wearing soccer moms?

are there local muslim politicians using local resources to build monuments of islam?

as long as people keep their beliefs to themselves, they aren't harming anybody

[mavsfan1000]

The Bible says to turn the other cheek. Much different from Sharia Law. But continue listening to people that say it is their job to control what you think. Mika. ;)

[Blake]

I hate Christianity and I hate Islam, but I can say that about Christianity and not get beheaded or have a fatwa issued against me. I can draw a depiction of Jesus without being gunned down on my front porch or in my office


Lol.

I bet there are plenty of nuts out there that will mow you down for drawing a funny picture of their Jesus.

[Blake]

The Bible says to turn the other cheek. Much different from Sharia Law. But continue listening to people that say it is their job to control what you think. Mika. ;)

The Bible also says eye for an eye.

But continue to listen to cherry picking Christians that ignore the bad parts of their holy book

[Clipper Nation]

Child abuse always leads to SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) In short they like to tramautize a child early on with sex and animal mutilation which leads to dissociation or MPD. Higher up in the food chain you have to sacrifice children...they get high on their blood especially if the child is in terror which creates adrenaline. It has been going on for thousands of years. Check out this recent interview with a banker elite

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You make Alex Jones look sane by comparison.

[Chris]

The Bible also says eye for an eye.

But continue to listen to cherry picking Christians that ignore the bad parts of their holy book

Link?

[spurraider21]

I like the part where it's immoral to wear clothes made of two different types of threads

[Chris]

Blake can you show me where it says Christians should practice an eye for an eye please?

[Chris]

Blake this is what Jesus said about an eye for an eye which was actually Mosaic law used in the Israelite's justice system.

"You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

[Blake]

Why is it that board non-believers know more about the Bible than believers

[Blake]

Rhetorical question

[Chris]

Why is it that board non-believers know more about the Bible than believers

So you were talking out of your ass. Next.

[Blake]

Blake this is what Jesus said about an eye for an eye which was actually Mosaic law used in the Israelite's justice system.

"You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."


So you found the answer on your own. :tu

[Chris]

In giving this “new” command, Jesus is not nullifying the Old Testament law (Matthew 5:17). Rather, He is separating the responsibility of the government (to punish evildoers justly) from the responsibility we all have on a personal level before God to love our enemies. We should not seek retribution for personal slights. We are to ignore personal insults (the meaning of “turn the other cheek”). Christians are to be willing to give more of their material goods, time, and labor than required, even if the demands upon us are unjust. We should loan to those who want to borrow, love our enemies, and pray for those who persecute us (verses 43–48). Enforcing “an eye for an eye” is the magistrate’s job; forgiving our enemies is ours. We see this played out today every time a victim stands up in court to publicly forgive a convicted criminal—the forgiveness is personal and real, but the judge still justly demands that the sentence be carried out.

Jesus’ limiting of the “eye for an eye” principle in no way prohibits self-defense or the forceful protection of the innocent from harm. The actions of duly appointed agents of the government, such as police officers and the military, to protect citizens and preserve the peace are not in question. Jesus’ command to turn the other cheek applies to personal relationships, not judicial policy. The principle of “an eye for an eye” is meant as a judicial policy, not as a rule for interpersonal relationships. The believer in Christ is guided by Jesus’ words to forgive. The Christian is radically different from those who follow the natural inclination to respond in kind.

[Chris]

So you found the answer on your own. :tu

I already knew the answer. I also knew that you would make no attempt to validate your bullshit per par.

[Blake]

Lol the ol Christian spin job.

In the next breath they'll talk of the evils of sharia law.

[Blake]

I already knew the answer. I also knew that you would make no attempt to validate your bullshit per par.

We both agree it's in the bible. You already validated it on your own.

[DMC]

Lol.

I bet there are plenty of nuts out there that will mow you down for drawing a funny picture of their Jesus.

Eh...no.

[DMC]

I like the part where it's immoral to wear clothes made of two different types of threads

If you can get past the invisible sky buddy, those requirements should not be an issue.

[DMC]

this all goes back to my characterization of the "bad fundamentalism" as those where their governing law comes from scripture

because that is a society that will foster further fanaticism/extremism
Show me an example of a government that ever governed based on Christian principles, scripture.

Right now, Sharia law society vs any predominately Christian nation.. who's more socially tolerant?

[Blake]

Eh...no.

Yeah, I'm not really afraid of that happening.

But hey, how many heads will get chopped off over this Indiana billboard:

http://www.wtsp.com/mb/img/resize/content.wtsp.com/photo/2017/06/06/636323417955911077-billboard-060617_1496797306413_9678239_ver1.0.jpg?preset=374-210

Put a number on it, phobe.

[Blake]

Show me an example of a government that ever governed based on Christian principles, scripture.

Right now, Sharia law society vs any predominately Christian nation.. who's more socially tolerant?


England was very tolerant during the crusades huh.

[boutons_deux]

Europe was governed for 1000 years by Christian royalty, aka 1%, colluding with corrupt Catholic church, aka, The Dark Ages where "enlightened thought and speech" were persecuted, tortured, burned, boiled in oil for being anti-Catholic.

[DMC]

England was very tolerant during the crusades huh.
So your position is so weak you have to compare present day Sharia law to the Templars.

England didn't have a theocratic government. They were a monarchy.


Just admit you were using more hyperbole, Blake. You shit all over whatever modicum of legitimate statement you think you're making by using Boutons level hyperbole, and even moreso by continuing down this path of denial by showing a billboard or referencing 1000 years ago.

You don't need to go back 1000 years to find Church sanctioned events like slavery that today seems obviously immoral and unethical. But we aren't talking about 1000 years ago, we're talking about today. Were you comparing the Arabian penninsula of 1000 years ago to the Crusades in the OP? No, you were comparing modern day radical islam with the Catholic church, who hides a pedophile.

[Blake]

No, you were comparing modern day radical islam with the Catholic church, who hides a pedophile.

I'm asking why there isn't more of an outcry against catholics who hide their pedophiles.

I get that you really don't think sexual assault on kids is a big deal. I just don't get the rest of us in normal society who think it is.

[DMC]

I'm asking why there isn't more of an outcry against catholics who hide their pedophiles.

I get that you really don't think sexual assault on kids is a big deal. I just don't get the rest of us in normal society who think it is.


So other than running your fucking mouth about it online, what are you doing about it?


That's what everyone else is doing, not a fucking thing.

[Blake]

So other than running your fucking mouth about it online, what are you doing about it?


That's what everyone else is doing, not a fucking thing.

I'm just asking out loud why there's no cry to do things to cathloics like travel ban them

Plenty of people here crying about Muslims tho. Plenty of people cheering the travel bans.

People like you....who are displaying their islamo fears here on a message board.

It's a sad type of funny

[Adam Lambert]

So other than running your fucking mouth about it online, what are you doing about it?


That's what everyone else is doing, not a fucking thing.

things losers say when theyve lost an argument on spurstalk
"who cares, its just a basketball message board"
"youre not doing anything about it irl so you must not care that much."

pathetic

[DMC]

things losers say when theyve lost an argument on spurstalk
"who cares, its just a basketball message board"
"youre not doing anything about it irl so you must not care that much."

pathetic

:lol triggered because no one takes you seriously

[DMC]

I'm just asking out loud why there's no cry to do things to cathloics like travel ban them

Plenty of people here crying about Muslims tho. Plenty of people cheering the travel bans.

People like you....who are displaying their islamo fears here on a message board.

It's a sad type of funny

What's sad actually is that you have to disguise your hate for religion as care for children. Just looking at your thread history it's easy to tell your real beef is with religion in general not with anything else that's happening within that religion. Child abuse happens everywhere not just in religion.

I'm pretty sure no one here considers the Catholic priest abuse Scandal as not important however you use that angle just to get into a discussion about religion. Then if anyone points that out to you you try to equate that individual with someone who just doesn't care about children, probably because you're a sad pathetic sack of shit which is why your wife fucked other people.

[boutons_deux]

here's Repug misogynist Catholic Paul Ryan persecuting, demanding that sluts cover up in his chamber

Paul Ryan Denies Right to Bare Arms in House of Congress

Apparently women's bare shoulders are too scandalous for the Speaker of the House.

female journalists have reported that they’ve been turned away from the speaker’s lobby due to their bare shoulders —

a policy not shared by either the Senate or the White House.

they’ve been cracking down on the code, like with open-toed shoes,”

http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/no-sleeveless-attire-congress

They sluts should show up in hijabs, head scarves, burqas to see how the misogynists react.

[Adam Lambert]

:lol triggered

thanks for reminding me, i forgot about the third thing losers say

[Blake]

What's sad actually is that you have to disguise your hate for religion as care for children.

Lol disguise.

It's possible have both hate for religion and care for my fellow humans. Which i do. The two go hand in hand tbh.

The rest of your post was tldr blathering crap

[DMC]

http://i.imgur.com/flL7pg6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zuZApRC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7EgibJi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MFlJsHK.jpg


Why is nobody calling to eradicate catholicism the same way they call to eradicate Islam

:lol

:cry no no, it's the kids I'm worried about...

[DMC]

thanks for reminding me, i forgot about the third thing losers say

:lol getting too involved with an alt account
:lol sign of ST loser
:lol 30 year old still counting troll responses as wins

[Adam Lambert]

:lol getting too involved with an alt account
:lol sign of ST loser
:lol 30 year old still counting troll responses as wins

:lol still obsessed with whether im an alt or not
:lol thinking i care about your responses
:lol your miserable existence

[DMC]

:lol still obsessed with whether im an alt or not
:lol thinking i care about your responses
:lol your miserable existence

:lol following me around
:cry but I don't care about your responses
:lol even as an alt, rent free

[Chris]

http://i.imgur.com/flL7pg6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zuZApRC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7EgibJi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MFlJsHK.jpg



:lol

:cry no no, it's the kids I'm worried about...

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the constant threads. Why do some Atheists feel like they have to attack Christianity to validate their beliefs or lack of? I have a hunch, but I want to hear from actual atheists.


I'm just asking out loud why there's no cry to do things to cathloics like travel ban them

Plenty of people here crying about Muslims tho. Plenty of people cheering the travel bans.

People like you....who are displaying their islamo fears here on a message board.

It's a sad type of funny

Looks like you fell for the fake news. 'Travel ban' has nothing to do with religon and everything to do with terrorism. You OTOH pretending Islamic terror doesn't exist and calling everyone who acknowledges such a phobe is a 'sad kind of funny'. Deflecting to the Catholics is not going to solve your irrationality.

[Blake]

http://i.imgur.com/flL7pg6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zuZApRC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7EgibJi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MFlJsHK.jpg



:lol

:cry no no, it's the kids I'm worried about...

It's society I'm worried about.

But try to make it about me some more. That'll win the thread.

[Blake]

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the constant threads. Why do some Atheists feel like they have to attack Christianity to validate their beliefs or lack of? I have a hunch, but I want to hear from actual atheists.


Seriously? Christians try to push their retarded bible beliefs on society through politics.

:cry poor persecuted American Christians can't pray in school and have to go to the bathroom with caitlyn jenner

[Adam Lambert]

:lol following me around
:cry but I don't care about your responses
:lol even as an alt, rent free

:lol 4th loser response = "rent free" when someone replies to a post where you quoted them
:lol no ones buying it, faggot

[DMC]

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the constant threads. Why do some Atheists feel like they have to attack Christianity to validate their beliefs or lack of? I have a hunch, but I want to hear from actual atheists.



Looks like you fell for the fake news. 'Travel ban' has nothing to do with religon and everything to do with terrorism. You OTOH pretending Islamic terror doesn't exist and calling everyone who acknowledges such a phobe is a 'sad kind of funny'. Deflecting to the Catholics is not going to solve your irrationality.

I think it's the new atheist who does this mostly as they feel they've stumbled upon something extraordinary. It's the same type of personality that proselytizes regardless their belief or lack thereof. Getting into a debate about religion or the existence of a god is one thing, but actively pursuing the matter in a way that just annoys the fuck out of both sides is the mark of someone who needs medication/psychiatric help.

The assertions and arguments for and against are well known to both sides (the educated ones) so there is rarely any new ground covered. As society creeps forward though, the mysticism of religion is being replaced by the religious concession and compromise in their once firm held beliefs. Today the Bible is only an allegory to many theists. To many atheists, that's a great thing, but there's still work to do. Both sides seem to agree that the OT morality and ethics are not acceptable today, so that's a field of battle where both sides meet to fight over literal interpretation vs "learned" exegesis.

[DarrinS]

There was some religious group collecting money at Braun/1604 today. I gave them $2 to leave me alone.

The way Christians terrorize.

[DMC]

:lol 4th loser response = "rent free" when someone replies to a post where you quoted them
:lol no ones buying it, faggot

*ding

[Blake]

There was some religious group collecting money at Braun/1604 today. I gave them $2 to leave me alone.

The way Christians terrorize.

Spoiler, if you drive away without paying they'll still leave you alone.

[Chris]

Seriously? Christians try to push their retarded bible beliefs on society through politics.

:cry poor persecuted American Christians can't pray in school and have to go to the bathroom with caitlyn jenner

Are you implying Christians are trying to convert people through politics or simply defending their beliefs from politics infringing upon them? Muslims coming here: complaining about the culture and wanting it to conform to them seems about as silly as Christians trying to convert people through legislature. Some atheists seems to get equally as offended when they 'hear' prayer in school, and 'see' things like "In God We Trust" on a police car. You can't expect everyone to assimilate to your outlook when your emotions get triggered.

[Chris]

actively pursuing the matter in a way that just annoys the fuck out of both sides is the mark of someone who needs medication/psychiatric help.

I agree. I will admit the second paragraph went well over my head :lol

[Blake]

Today the Bible is only an allegory to many theists.

Lol what theists? Message board theists maybe but that's about it.

Most religions say the bible is the literal word of God front to back.

You're pretty ignorant tbh.

[Blake]

Are you implying Christians are trying to convert people through politics or simply defending their beliefs from politics infringing upon them? Muslims coming here: complaining about the culture and wanting it to conform to them seems about as silly as Christians trying to convert people through legislature. Some atheists seems to get equally as offended when they 'hear' prayer in school, and 'see' things like "In God We Trust" on a police car. You can't expect everyone to assimilate to your outlook when your emotions get triggered.

No, Christians politicians push their political agendas I'm guessing both from their own bible beliefs and from pressure from religious groups. Like in Texas right now with that retarded bathroom bill.

No, I don't know any Christians trying to convert people through politics.

[Chris]

No, Christians politicians push their political agendas I'm guessing both from their own bible beliefs and from pressure from religious groups. Like in Texas right now with that retarded bathroom bill.

No, I don't know any Christians trying to convert people through politics.

Thank God we live in a representative Republic where we can vote. That way you can cross out that Christian politician on your ballot and vote your conscience. The problem with the bathroom thing is that you're expecting everyone to play ball and be good goys. There are some crazy fucked up people out there and thats why we have these bills to protect our children.

[DarrinS]

Spoiler, if you drive away without paying they'll still leave you alone.

I just wanted their pamphlet so I could hold it up to the window the next time I drive through there. :lol

[Blake]

There are some crazy fucked up people out there and thats why we have these bills to protect our children.

Lol back to the :cry but kids mught get hurt

I'm more concerned if a Catholic priest goes in after a young boy than I am some tranny in a skirt


....which both concerns are near zero.

[spurraider21]

well, if you're anti-religion and you live in a christian majority country, i'm sure your main gripe would be with christianity. i dont think that's really a startling revelation

[DarrinS]

well, if you're anti-religion and you live in a christian majority country, i'm sure your main gripe would be with christianity. i dont think that's really a startling revelation

Meh, I understand the criticism. Catholic priests diddling kids. Westboro babtist retards. Etc, etc.

But, you'd have to admit that religious conservatism has been losing the culture war for years. Even the bluest state of California voted against gay marriage and the courts overruled the voters. Just seems like selective outrage, tbh, especially in light of the very real atrocities committed in the name of Islam on the daily.

[spurraider21]

Meh, I understand the criticism. Catholic priests diddling kids. Westboro babtist retards. Etc, etc.

But, you'd have to admit that religious conservatism has been losing the culture war for years. Even the bluest state of California voted against gay marriage and the courts overruled the voters. Just seems like selective outrage, tbh, especially in light of the very real atrocities committed in the name of Islam on the daily.i get what you're saying, but the point i was making isn't that christianity is "the worst." but if one's goal is to maximize the separation of church and state... in the US, christianity is the biggest direct threat to that concept.

[DarrinS]

i get what you're saying, but the point i was making isn't that christianity is "the worst." but if one's goal is to maximize the separation of church and state... in the US, christianity is the biggest direct threat to that concept.

True

[DMC]

Lol what theists? Message board theists maybe but that's about it.

Most religions say the bible is the literal word of God front to back.

You're pretty ignorant tbh.

24% of Americans believe the bible in a literal sense.

That's hardly "most".

But go ahead, idiot. Keep the hyperbole machine going. Tweak right the fuck off. You're living proof that atheism is just another "don't know" position.

[DMC]

i get what you're saying, but the point i was making isn't that christianity is "the worst." but if one's goal is to maximize the separation of church and state... in the US, christianity is the biggest direct threat to that concept.

Only if you're doing it from the state side. Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists was really about keeping the state out of church affairs. So you could also say secularism is the biggest threat to Christianity, since secular government tends to want to reward or punish people for lifestyle choices in the same way religious leaders do, however the preference by the government has to do with things other than divine edict.

[boutons_deux]

"religious conservatism has been losing the culture war for years"

With Gorsuch on SCOTUS, Devos at Ed, etc, Christian Taliban are excited about how they are going to fuck up America with their bullshit in the coming years.
same sex marriage gone, 1st's separation gone, abortion gone, Christian sharia as official USA religion

[DarrinS]

"religious conservatism has been losing the culture war for years"

With Gorsuch on SCOTUS, Devos at Ed, etc, Christian Taliban are excited about how they are going to fuck up America with their bullshit in the coming years.
same sex marriage gone, 1st's separation gone, abortion gone, Christian sharia as official USA religion


Let me know when all that shit happens. :lol

[Blake]

24% of Americans believe the bible in a literal sense.

That's hardly "most".

But go ahead, idiot. Keep the hyperbole machine going. Tweak right the fuck off. You're living proof that atheism is just another "don't know" position.

Americans =/= theists

Lol trying to slide that by.

Try again. Or don't. I'll probably drop an lol either way.

[Blake]

PRINCETON, NJ -- Twenty-eight percent of Americans believe the Bible is the actual word of God and that it should be taken literally. This is somewhat below the 38% to 40% seen in the late 1970s, and near the all-time low of 27% reached in 2001 and 2009. But about half of Americans continue to say the Bible is the*inspiredword of God, not to be taken literally -- meaning a combined 75% believe the Bible is in some way connected to God.....

Damn that's a lot of cherry picking Americans

[Blake]

Oh update

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/16/poll-fewer-americans-than-ever-believe-the-bible-is-the-actual-word-of-god-to-be-taken-literally/

It's 71% that are cherry pickers

[boutons_deux]

24% STILL believe the Bible is literally true? :lol

[spurraider21]

Only if you're doing it from the state side. Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists was really about keeping the state out of church affairs. So you could also say secularism is the biggest threat to Christianity, since secular government tends to want to reward or punish people for lifestyle choices in the same way religious leaders do, however the preference by the government has to do with things other than divine edict.
this is why we have both the establishment clause and the free exercise clause

[DMC]

Americans =/= theists

Lol trying to slide that by.

Try again. Or don't. I'll probably drop an lol either way.

You're so edgy.

It must really suck that an atheist who knows religions better than most of the religious has shown you to be the fraud you are. Keep up the crusade, Flake.

[DMC]

this is why we have both the establishment clause and the free exercise clause

Neither of which indicate that the church is any threat to the secular government, even though 'In God We Trust" which came along in the 1950's I believe.

[DMC]

Damn that's a lot of cherry picking Americans

Keep running, Blake. Why are you so mad at God?

:lol "most"

[spurraider21]

Neither of which indicate that the church is any threat to the secular government, even though 'In God We Trust" which came along in the 1950's I believe.
That was in response to your "so you could also say secularism is the biggest threat to christianity" comment. The free exercise clause stands for the "freedom of religion" while the establishment clause separately stands for the "freedom from religion"

the free exercise clause, specifically, would protect against the concerns you mentioned

[DMC]

i get what you're saying, but the point i was making isn't that christianity is "the worst." but if one's goal is to maximize the separation of church and state... in the US, christianity is the biggest direct threat to that concept.


That was in response to your "so you could also say secularism is the biggest threat to christianity" comment. The free exercise clause stands for the "freedom of religion" while the establishment clause separately stands for the "freedom from religion"

the free exercise clause, specifically, would protect against the concerns you mentioned

Remember, I said basically only if the "one" you mention in the 1st quote is the state. How can Christianity be the biggest threat to its own separation if that the goal of a Christian (which Jefferson was btw, though not anything resembling modern day Christians) is to widen the gap of separation for self protection?

1803 April 21. (Jefferson to Benjamin Rush). "To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; and believing he never claimed any other."

So I am not disagreeing with your comment, I am only pointing out that the concerned party need not be assumed by default to be the state. In that case, your statement in the 1st quote is incorrect or at least unclear.

Why would state want to put itself closer to the church? To meddle in the affairs of the church, for a number of reasons that seem obvious such as education of the laity (think evolution), and for tax purposes (there's a huge untapped income stream in established religion, that the state seems happy to turn a blind eye to).

[spurraider21]

the rationale behind a secular government was to protect religion, though. religious folk were supposed to practice any religion they want... privately.

what has happened instead is that the religious majority has been trying to entangle the two, and take any resistance to that as "anti-religious." by having your religion (or aspects of it) in the rule of law, they are actually undermining the intended religious freedom that the founding fathers had put together

they just dont see it that way since they're in the majority for now. believe me, christians would be all about that separation of church and state if we became a muslim majority country

[Blake]

You're so edgy.

It must really suck that an atheist who knows religions better than most of the religious has shown you to be the fraud you are. Keep up the crusade, Flake.

You make a claim, get burned on it then then call me flake.

Lol.

[Blake]

Keep running, Blake. Why are you so mad at God?

:lol "most"

:lol :lol "most theists"

Keep trying to make it all about me.

Lol.

[DMC]

:lol :lol "most theists"

Keep trying to make it all about me.

Lol.

So you claim most theists think the Holy Bible is inerrant?

[DMC]

the rationale behind a secular government was to protect religion, though. religious folk were supposed to practice any religion they want... privately.

what has happened instead is that the religious majority has been trying to entangle the two, and take any resistance to that as "anti-religious." by having your religion (or aspects of it) in the rule of law, they are actually undermining the intended religious freedom that the founding fathers had put together

they just dont see it that way since they're in the majority for now. believe me, christians would be all about that separation of church and state if we became a muslim majority country

Even the founding fathers knew a person cannot separate their beliefs from their lifestyle and choices. Of course religious people want the laws to reflect their beliefs. If they didn't, they wouldn't really believe what they claim to believe. You and I want laws to reflect ours as well, only under the umbrella of secularism. It's the same want, just a different outcome.

Our leaders have religious advisors. They often run on a platform of religious morality and belief. They often invoke God in their comments. Church and state is hardly separate. I don't think it has ever been. Only the laws you mentioned are in play, otherwise church is firmly in bed with state.

[Blake]

So you claim most theists think the Holy Bible is inerrant?

No, I said most religions do.

You said many theists don't

It's all right there above

[spurraider21]

Even the founding fathers knew a person cannot separate their beliefs from their lifestyle and choices. Of course religious people want the laws to reflect their beliefs. If they didn't, they wouldn't really believe what they claim to believe. You and I want laws to reflect ours as well, only under the umbrella of secularism. It's the same want, just a different outcome.

Our leaders have religious advisors. They often run on a platform of religious morality and belief. They often invoke God in their comments. Church and state is hardly separate. I don't think it has ever been. Only the laws you mentioned are in play, otherwise church is firmly in bed with state.and even the religious founding fathers went so far as to go along with the first amendment, to not use the word god in the constitution, etc

i dont doubt that religion plays a role in politics. i'm arguing that it is antithetical to the first amendment to have that happen. all the people who love it now would suddenly be hating religious entanglement if they were no longer in the majority religion... at which point they'll be craving their religious freedom that they worked so hard to undermine

the people fleeing to this country during it's inception were largely fleeing from religious persecution. granted, most of them were christians fleeing from different kinds of christians, but nonetheless they wanted to establish a land where people dont get shit on by the religious preference of the state

[DMC]

No, I said most religions do.

You said many theists don't

It's all right there above
I was giving you an out.

Most religions don't even use the Holy Bible.

[DMC]

and even the religious founding fathers went so far as to go along with the first amendment, to not use the word god in the constitution, etc

i dont doubt that religion plays a role in politics. i'm arguing that it is antithetical to the first amendment to have that happen. all the people who love it now would suddenly be hating religious entanglement if they were no longer in the majority religion... at which point they'll be craving their religious freedom that they worked so hard to undermine

the people fleeing to this country during it's inception were largely fleeing from religious persecution. granted, most of them were christians fleeing from different kinds of christians, but nonetheless they wanted to establish a land where people dont get shit on by the religious preference of the state

That's true for most people regardless their position, even on things other than religion. Just look at the 2nd Amendment and how the liberals here want it done away with, but shit their pants when the 1st Amendment is threatened. The same founding fathers created the 2nd Amendment as well. If their reasoning is so crucial to a free secular society, then you cannot just surgically remove the parts of it you disagree with. If you do, you're right back where they started, and why they started.

[spurraider21]

That's true for most people regardless their position, even on things other than religion. Just look at the 2nd Amendment and how the liberals here want it done away with, but shit their pants when the 1st Amendment is threatened. The same founding fathers created the 2nd Amendment as well. If their reasoning is so crucial to a free secular society, then you cannot just surgically remove the parts of it you disagree with. If you do, you're right back where they started, and why they started.
ok, now we're jumping to the 2nd amendment?

what do you mean by "liberals wanting the 2nd amendment done away with"... what prominent liberals are calling for a ban on gun ownership?

[spurraider21]

it can also be said that the purpose of the 2nd amendment being a defense against a tyrannical government is no longer even a possibility. sure when you give civilians muskets to combat against the government, who is also armed with muskets, i can see that working.

letting us have larger magazines isn't doing shit against a federal government with access to drones, tanks, missiles, and air force, etc. the only way the 2nd amendment can serve it's original purpose in today's world is to have a complete deregulation on arms. let civilians own tanks, fighter jets, bombers, and keep missile silos in their yards, and let them hold nuclear arms

[DMC]

ok, now we're jumping to the 2nd amendment?

what do you mean by "liberals wanting the 2nd amendment done away with"... what prominent liberals are calling for a ban on gun ownership?

Why did you move the goalpost to "prominent liberal"?

How many prominent liberals post here?