Paul George traded to OKC..

[spursistan]

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[BatManu20]

Great trade tbh. Kawhi now the favorite for the 2018 MVP tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Sneaky.

[spursistan]

PATFO :lmao..

[BatManu20]

PATFO :lmao..

We never had a realistic shot at him.

[TimDunkem]

Good for them.

[Nathan89]

WTF another team leaps the spurs:bang

[spursistan]

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[Robz4000]

Welp, that happened.

[SuperCam]

Magic with the last laugh now he don't have to give up anything next year for him tbh

[Nathan89]

That was an awful trade package.

[tonight...you]

Magic with the last laugh now he don't have to give up anything next year for him tbh
Only PG13's Bird rights...

[Robz4000]

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That's all it took?!

[Mr. Body]

Oladipo and Sabonis aren't bad considering they weren't keeping George.

Laughing at Boston.

[Nathan89]

Spurs could've beat that shit offer. Boston fans should be livid. That offer is really shit compared to what they can offer. Avery Bradley and a middling first is better than that.

[Mr. Body]

OKC flipped Ibaka for Paul George basically.

[Dverde]

I thought it would be Kanter dealt. That is horrible return.

[BatManu20]

The Western Conference just keeps getting better and better. The east is a joke.

[gambit1990]

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WOW, fantastic trade for okc!

oladipo is getting paid $21 million each year for the next four years.

they must be thrilled they unloaded that contract.

[spursistan]

Amazing how our front office has proven unable to pull off anything that's not predictable and marginal..Fuckin Tornado City got ballsy and pulled something out of their asses..

Maybe time for new blood upstairs in the Spurs franchise...

[tonight...you]

Spurs could've beat that shit offer. Boston fans should be livid. That offer is really shit compared to what they can offer. Avery Bradley and a middling first is better than that.
How?

[BatManu20]

Amazing how our front office has proven unable to pull off anything that's not unpredictable..Fuckin Tornado City got ballsy and pulled something out of their asses..

Maybe time for new blood upstairs..

Big picture: OKC just traded assets for a one-year rental and will lose in the 2nd Round instead of the first next year.

[SuperCam]

who gonna guard lebron now he can rest until the finals tbh :lol

[Snaq O'Meal]

Presti keeps shitting on Buford. Spurs let the wrong front office exec go.

[Walter Donovan]

FAKE NEWS

[Dverde]

At least now Westbrook and PG13 can use the same uhaul when they move to LA next year.

[spursistan]

Eh..I'm offcially in camp RC Buford is a tad overrated and antiquated in today's NBA executive game....

[SuperCam]

Amazing how our front office has proven unable to pull off anything that's not predictable and marginal..Fuckin Tornado City got ballsy and pulled something out of their asses..

Maybe time for new blood upstairs in the Spurs franchise...

MVPresti tbh

[daslicer]

If Paul George doesn't sign an extension then this was a bad trade for OKC. He will definitely bolt next year to go to LA.

[Darius Bieber]

Lmao every team in the west getting better except the Spurs. Anyone who thinks our front office is any good is an idiot. We probably have the worst FO in the NBA.

[BatManu20]

Exactly. For a one-year rental. Meh.

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[sasaint]

How?

See gambit1990's comment above. Oladipo is on a bad contract.

[Nathan89]

How?

By moving LMA and Green for some assets. That offer is absolutely terrible. Most see Dipo as a bad contract and they flip him and a late lottery pick for PG.

[Mr. Body]

Exactly. For a one-year rental. Meh.

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That's a stupid ass tweet.

[baseline bum]

:lol Boston

[tonight...you]

See Gambit (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50491)'s comment above. Oladipo is on a bad contract.
Didn't answer my question. But thank you.

I'm out for the night. Have fun with FA!

[spursistan]

Short of Murray breaking out, '16 Aldridge might wind up as the only All Star player lined up next to Kawhi in his prime SA years..Sobering thought..

[picnroll]

Spurs sinking lower and lower in the west.

[tonight...you]

My moving LMA and Green for some assets. That offer is absolutely terrible. Most see Dipo as a bad contract and they flip him and a late lottery pick for PG.
1 year rental of LMA and do mostly nothing Green? They want youth and I just bet they see Oladipo as moveable in the next year, or two, and at least some stability to a place that no FA will ever want to go to.

[Hoops Czar]

Amazing how our front office has proven unable to pull off anything that's not predictable and marginal..Fuckin Tornado City got ballsy and pulled something out of their asses..

Maybe time for new blood upstairs in the Spurs franchise...

[SuperCam]

PAFTO going after washed up leftovers while other teams loading up all stars :lol

[BatManu20]

That's a stupid ass tweet.

How? OKC got better, but they're not going to be as good as they were with KD. And it's still likely only for one year.

[baseline bum]

WOW, fantastic trade for okc!

oladipo is getting paid $21 million each year for the next four years.

they must be thrilled they unloaded that contract.

I agree. They brought Oladipo on hoping that would get Durant to stay and now they dump his awful contract since the move failed. In the worst case George walks and they're out from under 3 years of a really bad deal.

[therealtruth]

That's a bad trade. Did George agree to stay or are they just renting? Spurs should have moved some assets to get him. Winning a championship would have helped ensure he stays. The Spurs play it too safe. No risk, no reward.

[HarlemHeat37]

Not really sure what people expected the Spurs to do for George, they have limited assets:lol

Oladipo's contract sucks and I'm not high on him as a player, but he's only 25 years old..Indiana obviously thinks he has upside and like that he's locked in for a few years..Sabonis is a mediocre prospect, but still, he's a rookie, there's upside there..

Everybody here complains about the players on the Spurs' roster, yet expects them to yield huge returns in trades:lol

[bklynspursfan]

PAFTO going after washed up leftovers while other teams loading up all stars :lol

George is a 1 year rental man.

[TimDunkem]

George is a 1 year rental man.
So? They get that Oladipo contract off their books while staying relevant. If he leaves, it's no big deal.

[baseline bum]

Laker fan has to love this. No way in hell George stays in OKC, while he probably would have stayed on a title contender in Boston. How stupid is Boston losing out on both George and Butler?

[SuperCam]

Laker fan has to love this. No way in hell George stays in OKC, while he probably would have stayed on a title contender in Boston. How stupid is Boston losing out on both George and Butler?

yup lakersground is celebrating they know PG ain't staying as beastbrook's bottom bitch or wanting to live in methlahoma

[HarlemHeat37]

Laker fan has to love this. No way in hell George stays in OKC, while he probably would have stayed on a title contender in Boston. How stupid is Boston losing out on both George and Butler?

I disagree, Ainge is just waiting out Lebron's prime while loading up with lottery talent..getting George or Butler wasn't going to change anything for a team that was getting beat by 50 points on their home floor vs. the Cavs in the playoffs:lol

[Nathan89]

How? OKC got better, but they're not going to be as good as they were with KD. And it's still likely only for one year.

PG is capable of outplaying KD in any given series so yes they could be better when it matters than they were with KD. They problem is GSW is also way better.

[Spurs9]

Gonna be fun to watch Westbrook/PG, good trade for OKC.

[Ice009]

Not really sure what people expected the Spurs to do for George, they have limited assets:lol

Oladipo's contract sucks and I'm not high on him as a player, but he's only 25 years old..Indiana obviously thinks he has upside and like that he's locked in for a few years..Sabonis is a mediocre prospect, but still, he's a rookie, there's upside there..

Everybody here complains about the players on the Spurs' roster, yet expects them to yield huge returns in trades:lol

I'd rather have Aldridge than either of those players. I wonder if the NBA influences these type of trades? You think the NBA wanted Westbrook to get another running mate?

[playbonner15]

Spurs sinking lower and lower in the west.
Bout to be dicked by an improved OKC / HOU in the 2018 playoffs :lol

[spursistan]

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[HarlemHeat37]

PG is capable of outplaying KD in any given series so yes they could be better when it matters than they were with KD. They problem is GSW is also way better.

:lol Durant is far better than George, it isn't even close, tbh..

[dabom]

Spurs sinking lower and lower in the west.

Yeah still second best team still. :lol

[Nathan89]

1 year rental of LMA and do mostly nothing Green? They want youth and I just bet they see Oladipo as moveable in the next year, or two, and at least some stability to a place that no FA will ever want to go to.

LMA would be going to a third team not to Indy. I'd rather have two 10-15ish picks than what Pacers received. Dipo isn't going to be moved. They see him as an "asset" apparently. Otherwise this makes no sense.

[spursistan]

The East Playoffs next season :lmao..

[baseline bum]

I disagree, Ainge is just waiting out Lebron's prime while loading up with lottery talent..getting George or Butler wasn't going to change anything for a team that was getting beat by 50 points on their home floor vs. the Cavs in the playoffs:lol

No he's not. If he was going to do that he would have traded Thomas and drafted Fultz.

[Ice009]

I think a package with Aldridge and Murray could have been a better offer. Indiana are idiots getting stuck with 4 years of Oladipo.

[Nathan89]

:lol Durant is far better than George, it isn't even close, tbh..

Irrelevant to my comment. Paul George is a top 15 player and has the ability to individually outperform any player in the league.

[daslicer]

Gonna be fun to watch Westbrook/PG, good trade for OKC.

We have seen Westbrook with Durant before. This is like lesser version of the previous combo. I wonder how much PG will enjoy playing with a chucker it was evident that Durant hated playing with Westbrook. It will be interesting to see if Westbrook has learned his lesson from what happened with Durant and tries to be less of a chucker with PG.

[bklynspursfan]

I think a package with Aldridge and Murray could have been a better offer. Indiana are idiots getting stuck with 4 years of Oladipo.

Agreed. Is what it is I guess

[Hoops Czar]

Exactly. For a one-year rental. Meh.

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It's not so meh... I'd rather have one year of PG than three years of Iggy/Livingston. RC, you pwned piece of shit.:lol

[SpursforSix]

I think a package with Aldridge and Murray could have been a better offer. Indiana are idiots getting stuck with 4 years of Oladipo.

No way I want to give up Murray for a one year rental.

[bklynspursfan]

So? They get that Oladipo contract off their books while staying relevant. If he leaves, it's no big deal.

I would bet SA offered something for PG .. idk what they were thinking taking this

[HarlemHeat37]

Irrelevant to my comment. Paul George is a top 15 player and has the ability to individually outperform any player in the league.

Sure, but he also goes through long stretches of extreme inefficiency and poor basketball, every season..I agree that he's a top 15 player and they will be a matchup nightmare vs. the Spurs, but I don't think they are anywhere near challenging GS..

[NASpurs]

Presti keeps shitting on Buford. Spurs let the wrong front office exec go.

[eDizzle20]

Lol. What Westbrook and George both go to the Lakers next offseason.

[SuperCam]

MVPresti turns 37 year old Ibaka in one year span into Paul George and PAFTO sitting here collecting Warrior sloppy seconds :bang

[BatManu20]

It's not so meh... I'd rather have one year of PG than three years of Iggy/Livingston. RC, you pwned piece of shit.:lol

Yea but what assts did we have to trade..? Kawhi and Murray are off limits. They didn't want anybody else on our team.

[BatManu20]

MVPresti turns 37 year old Ibaka in one year span into Paul George and PAFTO sitting here collecting Warrior sloppy seconds :bang


And we'll still beat them next year if we face them in the playoffs. Who cares, tbh.

[Nathan89]

Sure, but he also goes through long stretches of extreme inefficiency and poor basketball, every season..I agree that he's a top 15 player and they will be a matchup nightmare vs. the Spurs, but I don't think they are anywhere near challenging GS..

Well GSW is much better than they were when Durant was on OKC so that's not a fair standard. His inconsistency is also in the regular season on a middle of the road team that apparently he didn't want to play for. He plays great in the playoffs though.

[FkLA]

Oladipo being a Hoosier probably played a role in it. Pacerfans love their own apparently. That's how we got Kawhi for IUPUI.

[sasaint]

I think a package with Aldridge and Murray could have been a better offer. Indiana are idiots getting stuck with 4 years of Oladipo.

You wouldn't really include Murray would you?

[Crazymaddopeyo]

It's not so meh... I'd rather have one year of PG than three years of Iggy/Livingston. RC, you pwned piece of shit.:lol. That would be an idiotic move to rent a player for a year.

[SpursforSix]

LMA shooting his mouth off didn't help his or the Spurs' cause. Damn idiot.

[raybies]

No freaking way. Went fishing come back to this?! Wow

[HarlemHeat37]

Oladipo being a Hoosier probably played a role in it. Pacerfans love their own apparently. That's how we got Kawhi for IUPUI.

Yep..Oladipo is viewed as an asset, not sure why people don't see it, tbh..he's 25 years old, you can convince yourself that he still has upside(I disagree, but that's just me)

It's Indiana, who are they going to attract in Free Agency? Why would they want the salary relief from Aldridge? Not to mention they already have a better version of Aldridge who is going to need touches, next season..

[NASpurs]

And OKC also have his Bird rights? Amazing.

[raybies]

They'll be a 4 or 5 seed and get knocked out in the 2nd. Hope they are not done though. Not really a good pitch to George

[raybies]

They better hope he makes All NBA though, give him that super max

[Hoops Czar]

Yea but what assts did we have to trade..? Kawhi and Murray are off limits. They didn't want anybody else on our team.

We don't know that. For all we know, Kyle Anderson was the deal breaker. :lol Tomorrow, we'll hear all the rumblings how PG was seriously interested in the Spurs but he had concerns over his good friend Tony Parker.

[therealtruth]

. That would be an idiotic move to rent a player for a year.

It wouldn't be renting if the Spurs win it all and the Spurs are the best chance PG would have for beating the Warriors.

[SuperCam]

PAFTO ass lickers thinking Murray's upside even matters when Kiwi would already be 30+ and out of his prime by the time he matures :lmao

[BatManu20]

PAFTO ass lickers thinking Murray's upside even matters when Kiwi would already be 30+ and out of his prime by the time he matures :lmao

Again, you expect the Spurs to trade Murray, along with others and/or draft picks, for a one-year rental? Hell no.

[dbreiden83080]

Magic with the last laugh now he don't have to give up anything next year for him tbh

Yeah well if Lonzo goes bust Paul will change his mind about LA real quickly.

[Ice009]

You wouldn't really include Murray would you?

Yes I would. Unless Paul George said he would not re-sign under any circumstance, I would do it if he said there is a chance (even 30%) that he would re-sign, I'd do it. He's a versatile player with the kind of height that I like. He can do it all - offense and defense. I don't turn down players with that skill set.

[dbreiden83080]

Looking at some of these deals I think the Spurs shopping around Lamarcus are probably getting back like a Diet Coke and a bag of chips. Nobody wants him.

[SuperCam]

Again, you expect the Spurs to trade Murray, along with others and/or draft picks, for a one-year rental? Hell no.

cavs and spurs only team that with PG addition could legit challenge warriors yes you make that deal and don't get stopped by role players that homer fans overvalue

[HarlemHeat37]

Hollywood Paul George isn't staying in OKC or San Antonio or Indiana, tbh:lol he's going to LA and he wants to be a #1 option..

[Mugen]

Great move by OKC tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Good news is that Kawhi looks like the clear-cut MVP winner, next year:lol All the other former candidates will be competing with their superstar teammates..

[Ice009]

Great move by OKC tbh.

lol, can you change that avatar. I just want to punch that guy in the face.

[BatManu20]

:lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDnYNi2VoAEOQYp?format=jpg&name=large

[BatManu20]

Good news is that Kawhi looks like the clear-cut MVP winner, next year:lol All the other former candidates will be competing with their superstar teammates..

That's what I was saying. Easily the early favorite imo.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Presti keeps shitting on Pop and Buford. Spurs let the wrong front office exec go.

Fify. Pop is just as liable for this shit as RC. He needs to retire from coaching and the front office and go drink wine for the rest of his life.

[Hoops Czar]

Good news is that Kawhi looks like the clear-cut MVP winner, next year:lol All the other former candidates will be competing with their superstar teammates..

Championship trophy > FinalsMVP >>>>>> League MVP

[SuperCam]

have to be a top 4 team to win mvp unless you average a triple double so no mvp for kiwi sorry player fans. harden will get the award since many in media will feel it's his turn

[sasaint]

Yes I would. Unless Paul George said he would not re-sign under any circumstance, I would do it if he said there is a chance (even 30%) that he would re-sign, I'd do it. He's a versatile player with the kind of height that I like. He can do it all - offense and defense. I don't turn down players with that skill set.

That's too steep for me. I like Murray much more than you.

[BillMc]

At least now Westbrook and PG13 can use the same uhaul when they move to LA next year.
:lol

[ceperez]

Does not compute.

[dabom]

:lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDnYNi2VoAEOQYp?format=jpg&name=large

:lol

[024]

Damn Presti doesn't deserve to work in OKC. All those draft picks that turned into great players and coming out of nowhere to grab Paul George... even if it's only for a year. He could be running the large marquee teams of the NBA like the Knicks or the Bulls. Instead he's stuck in a backwater city where FAs will run away from the first chance they get.

[Mugen]

Paves the way for a Blake/PG13 swap soon tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[BillMc]

One year rental. Unless they win the chip (which they won't) means nothing.

[BatManu20]

One year rental. Unless they win the chip (which they won't) means nothing.

Even if they hypothetically did win (which they won't), he's gone tbh.

[TimDunkem]

One year rental. Unless they win the chip (which they won't) means nothing.
Yeah, we know. At least they got rid of that horrendous Oladipo contract.

[Mugen]

Salary dumping Oladipo is worth a one year rental of PG tbh

[BillMc]

Even if they hypothetically did win (which they won't), he's gone tbh.

Exactly. He's West Coast Melo. Money and location more important than rings.

[TimDunkem]

Salary dumping Oladipo is worth a one year rental of PG tbh
Win-win for OKC. Great deal for them.

[MannyIsGod]

Good deal for OKC but I'm not sure why anyone here would think the Spurs should have done the same. If the Spurs had a 21 million dollar contract tied to a player for several seasons and that player wasn't great, then sure a one year rental is fine.

If PG can be convinced to stay in OKC (LOL) then its a phenomenal trade. I'm happier he didn't somehow end up in Houston.

[tmtcsc]

Salary dumping Oladipo is worth a one year rental of PG tbh

EXACTLY

[dylankerouac]

Not great for the Spurs but looking forward to seeing George in the West next year. Hopefully it doesn't come with nightmares if his teams become our crux for some reason.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Exactly. He's West Coast Melo. Money and location more important than rings.

I don't think that's ever happened before in NBA history, tbh. A star winning a ring and immediately bolting in FA. That's never happened.

[Ice009]

That's too steep for me. I like Murray much more than you.

Apart from big men like Tim Duncan and Hakeem Olajuwon (these are the guys I'd pick to start my team with) I like versatile wings with size. Scottie Pippen is one of my favourite players ever (I like him more than Jordan). Paul George is closer to the Pippen mold than Dejounte is, so I easily pick a guy like PG over Dejounte. I like Dejounte a lot, but not over a SF with size that can play both defense and offense.

[SAGirl]

Exactly. For a one-year rental. Meh.

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They didn't get by GSW but they got by the Spurs in 2016..

[sasaint]

Paves the way for a Blake/PG13 swap soon tbh.

You might be right... Good thinking!

[cd98]

They didn't get by GSW but they got by the Spurs in 2015..

Yes but PG, while great, is not Durant good.

[TimDunkem]

Yes but PG, while great, is not Durant good.
They don't need him to be. They know they're not winning a ring. All they needed to do was show Westbrook something and get rid of Oladipo's contract. Win-win.

[bklynspursfan]

Yes but PG, while great, is not Durant good.

Yup. He's much easier to slow down that Durant.

[TimDunkem]

LeBron at the All-Star game next year:

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[SAGirl]

It was a great move by OKC... anyone who doesn't think that is not being objective...
now I wouldn't give up real assets like Murray for him bc of his rook contract and upside but AoKC didn't give up a Murray either. And they did get out from an overpriced contract. They take their chances and see what happens.

If LMA is going to continue to be defended in the post by guards I can't dissuade you of the fact that Spurs are not standing pat but moving backwards.unless their young guys improve... but for that they would need to play regularly and go through some growing pains too.

[CGD]

Wtf? Went out for a beer and this happens. Wow

[Snaq O'Meal]

Salary dumping Oladipo is worth a one year rental of PG tbh

Westbrook's value is now at its highest. Presti can retool around Paul George by trading away the MVP for a few complementary All Stars plus 1st round picks to form a new core with PG.

[Russ]

Indy just sent a huge message to the NBA and its players.

You fuck with us and we'll fuck with you more.

We'll send you to the worst outpost in the league with the most selfish pariah of a teammate who will hog the ball and ruin your stats going into your free agent year.

You think you humiliated us . . .

We'll take next to nothing in return for you, humiliating you even more.

You won't be going where you want to go to smirk and win.

We may take a hit but you'll take a bigger one -- and it will be worth it.

It may be only one year but it will seem like more.

(Or words to that effect. :lol)

[steeledl]

Bleh, seeing how little they gave for him is a bummer. I dont think he would have put us over the top anyway but he was our only shot. Oh well, I just hope the spurs dont tie up money in middle tier players. Sucks to waste a year of Kawhi's prime but its time to wait.

[BatManu20]

Relax you guyz, it's cool. We re-signed Patty Thrillz.

[therealtruth]

I don't think that's ever happened before in NBA history, tbh. A star winning a ring and immediately bolting in FA. That's never happened.

Which is why the Spurs should have gone after him. They could offer him a legitimate chance to win a ring. Could have got rid of LMA also.

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Oh, so now Russell Westbrook and Paul George can learn to play together for a season in OKC before bolting for LA?

[Budkin]

Our FO getting destroyed right now.

[TheGreatYacht]

Presti keeps shitting on Buford. Spurs let the wrong front office exec go.
Drunkford bringing in the Australian microwave and Joel Anthony during the deadline and free agency :lmao

Meanwhile there's all stars available for fucking Takis bags

[Chillen]

Our FO getting destroyed right now.

Pretty much this, miss out on CP3 and Paul George, only thing they can sort of save face with is to somehow land Carmelo Anthony which I highly doubt. This offseason has been awful so far for the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

IND would have been better off holding PG for the year and letting him walk rather than taking on a terrible contract. But at least they didn't cave and send him to LA. Make LA sign PG using all their cap space and make him take a pay cut for wanting to play for a loser.

[DenialTwist]

Pacers got it right lol. They knew Paul George wanted to be a Laker but sent him to Oklahoma first to suffer as Westbrook's sidekick for a year. Pacers even made it look like PG was worth a Sabonis and Oldaipo. They turned down the celtics and cavs because they didn't want to help them which makes perfect sense.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not that bad of a deal for Pacers, they get two players with upside that they can keep for 3+ years.

Not sure why people complain about Spurs not getting PG. Short of sending Kawhi they couldn't make a better offer than the OKC one.

[CGD]

Another example of how Ainge is excellent at acquiring assets, but lousy at using them smartly to make a deal.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

calm down guys - he was never in the top of the list - he's also only going to stick there for a year...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Lmao at everyone flaming the Spurs FO. We talk for months about how difficult it is to get a star, then people act like they unexpectedly dropped the ball big time by not getting a star. Get a goddamn clue.

[Russ]

Paul George is a 6'9" jumpshooter shooting a career 43%. His teams have never been any good.

If you didn't like LMA . . .

[daslicer]

Spurs had no chance of getting PG. A lot of spur fans scream that they could have traded Green,LMA for him but there is no way the Pacers accept that deal. LMA and Green are in their 30's and teams don't like to take big contracts of guys over the age of 30. Spurs had no young assets that they could have given up to get PG. There is a lot of bitching about how OKC got PG for Oladipo and Sabonis but the Spurs don't have any young players that are as good as those 2 on their roster. Dejounte could turn out to be better than those 2 guys but he's currently unproven.

[noles1983]

The real winner, LeBron James playing in any even shittier Eastern Conference. Didn't think that was possible. The cakewalk to the Finals continues for that lucky cuck.

[Mr. Body]

Paul George is a 6'9" jumpshooter shooting a career 43%. His teams have never been any good.

If you didn't like LMA . . .

His Pacers team nearly beat the prime Heatles in the Eastern Conference Finals, you dummy.

[21209]

Lmao every team in the west getting better except the Spurs. Anyone who thinks our front office is any good is an idiot. We probably have the worst FO in the NBA.

But, none of those teams that supposedly got better are still not even close to being on par with Golden State.

Even if the spurs had managed to get a Chris Paul or a Paul George, they're still not at the warriors level.

[Mr. Body]

Another example of how Ainge is excellent at acquiring assets, but lousy at using them smartly to make a deal.

Ainge got lucky twice, that's all.

He was around when suddenly Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen were available. He was around when the stupidest GM in sports history was willing to trade ungodly amounts of picks for them when they were done.

That's it.

[Spurtacular]

Great trade tbh. Kawhi now the favorite for the 2018 MVP tbh.

Most worthy #2 post of the entire summer.

[21209]

Spurs could've beat that shit offer. Boston fans should be livid. That offer is really shit compared to what they can offer. Avery Bradley and a middling first is better than that.

Really? with what?

[Russ]

His Pacers team nearly beat the prime Heatles in the Eastern Conference Finals, you dummy.

He said he wanted to leave Indy because he couldn't win there. He had one 50-win season in seven years there.

[Mr. Body]

He said he wanted to leave Indy because he couldn't win there. He had one 50-win season in seven years there.

He got to the ECF and nearly beat the Heat, you dumbass.

[Russ]

He got to the ECF and nearly beat the Heat, you dumbass.

:lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The Western Conference just keeps getting better and better. The east is a joke.

While the Spurs get worse

[Budkin]

The real winner, LeBron James playing in any even shittier Eastern Conference. Didn't think that was possible. The cakewalk to the Finals continues for that lucky cuck.

Yes but it also almost automatically reduces his Finals winning percentage.

[therealtruth]

Just read Pritchard was reacting emotionally and wanted PG out of the EC. The Spurs screwed up. LMA + some pieces could have probably worked.

[DAF86]

Not really sure what people expected the Spurs to do for George, they have limited assets:lol

Oladipo's contract sucks and I'm not high on him as a player, but he's only 25 years old..Indiana obviously thinks he has upside and like that he's locked in for a few years..Sabonis is a mediocre prospect, but still, he's a rookie, there's upside there..

Everybody here complains about the players on the Spurs' roster, yet expects them to yield huge returns in trades:lol

Murray is more desirable than anything OKC had to offer. George for Aldridge (expiring contract), Murray and a 1st and the Pacers take that offer in a heartbeat.

Not saying I would have been cool with moving Murray but the Spurs had assets if they would have wanted to make moves.

[DAF86]

So, we are now the 4th best team in the West.

[UZER]

He said he wanted to leave Indy because he couldn't win there. He had one 50-win season in seven years there.

So Paul George could only get his team to 50 wins once while playing in the east?

Lame

[TimDunkem]

So, we are now the 4th best team in the West.
Can definitely see an epic 20111 or 2012 like collapse in our future because we're locking up all our past their prime, non-playmaking, no defense playing free agents to loyalty contracts.

Can't wait to see what we give 37 year old Pau Gasoft. :lol

[DAF86]

Again, you expect the Spurs to trade Murray, along with others and/or draft picks, for a one-year rental? Hell no.

I doubt it would have been a one year rental for the Spurs. Kawhi and George would have given the Warriors real fits, and on top of that they are good pals. George would have stayed in San Antonio, had the Spurs traded for him.

[TimDunkem]

I doubt it would have been a one year rental for the Spurs. Kawhi and George would have given the Warriors real fits, and on top of that they are good pals. George would have stayed in San Antonio, had the Spurs traded for him.
http://i.imgur.com/XhesXYC.png: "We want to make deals that are great for both teams."

[DAF86]

http://i.imgur.com/XhesXYC.png: "We want to make deals that are great for both teams."

I never realized RC had such a dummy face. The fuck is wrong with his teeth? :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Murray is more desirable than anything OKC had to offer. George for Aldridge (expiring contract), Murray and a 1st and the Pacers take that offer in a heartbeat.

Not saying I would have been cool with moving Murray but the Spurs had assets if they would have wanted to make moves.

OKC's deal makes much more sense for Indiana, don't even think it's arguable, tbh..

Aldridge- 1 year rental who will undoubtedly leave and plays the same position as their best player..why would they waste a year stunting Turner's development for a 1 year Aldridge rental? They get cap space, which is pointless for them, since nobody wants to play in Indiana for a team with no significant culture or history

vs. Oladipo, only 25 years old, former Hoosier who is under contract for 3 more years..

Murray- 29th pick in the 2016 draft vs. Sabonis- 11th pick in the 2016 draft

Not only did they get a much younger, better fit with 3 more years on his contract, but they also got a player who was drafted significantly higher than Murray in the same draft, just a year ago..

And :lmao at the idea of Paul George staying in San Antonio..of all the stars in the NBA, he would be the least likely to ever agree to stay, and that's including LeBron IMO..all we've heard about from anybody who has any connections around the league is that he's a lock to play for the Lakers..he has said it himself that he wants to play there, several times..a guy who desperately wants to play in Los Angeles isn't settling for San Antonio..

[TimDunkem]

I never realized RC had such a dummy face. The fuck is wrong with his teeth? :lol
In that moment, I bet he had just remembered where he forgot his beer - in the car.

[SpursforSix]

I doubt it would have been a one year rental for the Spurs. Kawhi and George would have given the Warriors real fits, and on top of that they are good pals. George would have stayed in San Antonio, had the Spurs traded for him.

You can't gamble on all of that. Especially with next years free agents. Spurs would still probably not beat the Warriors and then George is going to be looking at moving to a Superteam in a big market city.

I'd love to have him but not with the risk of giving up Murray to have him for a year.

[Ice009]

I doubt it would have been a one year rental for the Spurs. Kawhi and George would have given the Warriors real fits, and on top of that they are good pals. George would have stayed in San Antonio, had the Spurs traded for him.

Since when are they good friends?

[DAF86]

OKC's deal makes much more sense for Indiana, don't even think it's arguable, tbh..

Aldridge- 1 year rental who will undoubtedly leave and plays the same position as their best player..why would they waste a year stunting Turner's development for a 1 year Aldridge rental? They get cap space, which is pointless for them, since nobody wants to play in Indiana for a team with no significant culture or history

vs. Oladipo, only 25 years old, former Hoosier who is under contract for 3 more years..

Murray- 29th pick in the 2016 draft vs. Sabonis- 11th pick in the 2016 draft

Not only did they get a much younger, better fit with 3 more years on his contract, but they also got a player who was drafted significantly higher than Murray in the same draft, just a year ago..

And :lmao:lmao:lmao at the idea of Paul George staying in San Antonio..of all the stars in the NBA, he would be the least likely to ever agree to stay, and that's including LeBron IMO..

Well, that's an interesting way of spinning it. :lol

Why would anyone want to have Oladipo under contract for 3 years? He sucks. I would much rather have Murray on a rookie contract for that same amount of years, and see if he can turn into something we all know Oladipo won't ever be.

And about Sabonis, Murray with many less chances has shown much more potential than him. The number of the pick they got drafted on is irrelevant by now. Everybody has Murray as a better prospect than Sabonis right now.

And I doubt the Pacers feel as you do about their free agency chances. Sure, they might not get a star player but I'm sure they can do a hell of a lot better than fucking Oladipo for over 20 millions per year, tbh.

It's pretty simple, If you were a GM of an NBA team, would you rather have Oladipo and Sabonis or Aldridge and Murray?

[DAF86]

Since when are they good friends?

Everytime the Spurs and Pacers play there's always a comment on match reports about how they are good pals. Aren't both from Cali?

[TimDunkem]

Everytime the Spurs and Pacers play there's always a comment on match reports about how they are good pals. Aren't both from Cali?
Russ/George/Kawhi are going to be a great core in a few years.

[gambit1990]

Russ/George/Kawhi are going to be a great core in a few years.
for the clippers? :lol

[DAF86]

Kawhi on the Lakers would break my heart. Don't even joke about that, tbh.

[TimDunkem]

for the clippers? :lol
That or the Lakers. :lmao Otherwise, it's a core of Kawhi/Fatty/Fathead here in SA.

[HarlemHeat37]

Well, that's an interesting way of spinning it. :lol

Why would anyone want to have Oladipo under contract for 3 years? He sucks. I would much rather have Murray on a rookie contract for that same amount of years, and see if he can turn into something we all know Oladipo won't ever be.

And about Sabonis, Murray with many less chances has shown much more potential than him. The number of the pick they got drafted on is irrelevant by now. Everybody has Murray as a better prospect than Sabonis right now.

And I doubt the Pacers feel as you do about their free agency chances. Sure, they might not get a star player but I'm sure they can do a hell of a lot better than fucking Oladipo for over 20 millions per year, tbh.

They clearly view Oladipo as a significant asset, or else they wouldn't have absorbed his contract..again, he's only 25 years old, you can convince yourself that he's a future piece with upside..personally, I'm not a fan, but I can see why they would believe that they wouldn't do any better in Free Agency..

[Mr. Body]

Well, that's an interesting way of spinning it. :lol

Why would anyone want to have Oladipo under contract for 3 years? He sucks. I would much rather have Murray on a rookie contract for that same amount of years, and see if he can turn into something we all know Oladipo won't ever be.

And about Sabonis, Murray with many less chances has shown much more potential than him. The number of the pick they got drafted on is irrelevant by now. Everybody has Murray as a better prospect than Sabonis right now.

And I doubt the Pacers feel as you do about their free agency chances. Sure, they might not get a star player but I'm sure they can do a hell of a lot better than fucking Oladipo for over 20 millions per year, tbh.

It's pretty simple, If you were a GM of an NBA team, would you rather have Oladipo and Sabonis or Aldridge and Murray?

Oladipo's salary isn't that bad in this market. Reddick is about to make as much and he's going to be 33 and is limited in his impact on the game. Plus Oladipo played at Indiana University so will be a local draw in a state that likes its college ball.

[DAF86]

Oladipo's salary isn't that bad in this market. Reddick is about to make as much and he's going to be 33 and is limited in his impact on the game. Plus Oladipo played at Indiana University so will be a local draw in a state that likes its college ball.

Reddick >>> Oladipo, tbh.

For a contender that is. Neither guy is of much value for a rebuilding team like the Pacers.

The only thing I can concede is the whole "having played college ball in Indy" thing. I guess that can get some butts on those seats, but still... way too shitty.

[Mr. Body]

Reddick >>> Oladipo, tbh.

For a contender that is. Neither guy is of much value for a rebuilding team like the Pacers.

The only thing I can concede is the whole "having played college ball in Indy" thing. I guess that can get some butts on those seats, but still... way too shitty.

Reddick is a bad defender and all he does is shoot. You may say he's a little better than Oladipo, but on a team like the Pacers I'd take VO any time. He has a lot of room to improve and Reddick would mean nothing. He'll mean nothing to the Sixers, too, actually.

[TimDunkem]

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[TimDunkem]

Damn, if Reddick is so bad and Green so good, why the fuck aren't we offering him to PHI for at least some prospects? :lol

[Mr. Body]

Damn, if Reddick is so bad and Green so good, why the fuck aren't we offering him to PHI for at least some prospects? :lol

Because he's good, retard.

[TimDunkem]

Because he's good, retard.
Good at being a bow-legged, shot clanking waste of space who can't even dribble a fucking basketball. Fucking idiot talking about keeping guys with "great defense" yet defends fucking Patty Mills. :lol

I've seen you get called out for being a low IQ poster several times over the years, but you're proving it now.

[Mr. Body]

Good at being a bow-legged, shot clanking waste of space who can't even dribble a fucking basketball. Fucking idiot talking about keeping guys with "great defense" yet defends fucking Patty Mills. :lol

I've seen you get called out for being a low IQ poster several times over the years, but you're proving it now.

You stumbled drunk into a conversation about salaries and have no idea what you're talking about. Danny Green makes a fraction of what he would in an open market right now. We were comparing his salary to what Redick is currently going to get, you dipshit, sister-fucking, chromosome-missing dogshit eating mongoloid little retard.

[TimDunkem]

You stumbled drunk into a conversation about salaries and have no idea what you're talking about. Danny Green makes a fraction of what he would in an open market right now. We were comparing his salary to what Redick is currently going to get, you dipshit, sister-fucking, chromosome-missing dogshit eating mongoloid little retard.
I don't give a shit. He's not a better player than Reddick like you've argued before you limp-dicked, shit-eating, cum guzzling, low-IQ cock-jockying waste of air. :lol

[Mr. Body]

I don't give a shit. He's not a better player than Reddick like you've argued before you limp-dicked, shit-eating, cum guzzling, low-IQ cock-jockying waste of air. :lol

Whatever, brah. Team got Green on a discount that looks better every year. Them's facts.

[BackHome]

I wonder know that Ainge struck out on the big free agents he will be looking at something what are the chances we do LMA and for ? with Boston?

[TD 21]

A no brainer risk for Thunder. They had no flexibility and even if they did, more than likely no star was going to Oklahoma City, even if they do have one of the "cool kids". Also, they probably clichéd his extending with this.

Spurs' continuity, stability and depth likely wins the day in the regular season, but I'd give Thunder edge again in a playoffs series. They probably go no further than WCSF, but they've got a shot to beat Rockets and get to WCF. Do that and play a semi competitive 5 game WCF and maybe he stays. He probably won't, but the cost was only an overpaid average starter and likely third big.

Don't think it's a good return for Pacers, but get it. Ceiling isn't great, but at least there's degree of certainty with the 2 players they got as opposed to random picks, which could be nothing.

People can take their shots at Dunn, LaVine, Oladipo, Sabonis, etc., but they're all decent young players or prospects, the likes of which Spurs don't have. Murray might be that, but right now he's a project. Reality is, Spurs have limited assets, flexibility and talent and will need Murray to become a star and soon to remain relevant for much longer.

[exstatic]

The reality is, IND wasn't much interested in return, since they couldn't leverage that after his LA leak. They were interested in playing keep away from certain teams, and ssentially blacklisting them. BOS, and CLE were on that list, and if you think the SAS weren't, I think you're wrong. IND has been hearing for SIX years how SA raped them on the Kawhi deal. They weren't taking the slightest chance that he woul re-up here.

[tholdren]

Whatever, brah. Team got Green on a discount that looks better every year. Them's facts.

Ok. Danny green sucks. But he is on a good deal. You both are terrible posters and should be banned

[Mr. Body]

Ok. Danny green sucks. But he is on a good deal. You both are terrible posters and should be banned

shruggie emoji

[tholdren]

shruggie emoji

Man points =0 using emoji? Wtf

[Mr. Body]

Man points =0 using emoji? Wtf

shruggie emoji

[TheDoctor]

I never realized RC had such a dummy face. The fuck is wrong with his teeth? :lol

Actually I don't see anything wrong with RC's face... :downspin:

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/rc-buford-boobs.png

[BillMc]

Actually I don't see anything wrong with RC's face... :downspin:

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/rc-buford-boobs.png

RC is in that picture? Hadn't noticed.

[spurs10]

RC is in that picture? Hadn't noticed. My thoughts exactly! :toast PATFO need to get her tickets under the basket that switches sides at halftime. 'And the opponent once again shoots 20% from the line!?'

[BillMc]

My thoughts exactly! :toast PATFO need to get her tickets under the basket that switches sides at halftime. 'And the opponent once again shoots 20% from the line!?'
:lmao:toast

[Chillen]

Actually I don't see anything wrong with RC's face... :downspin:

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/rc-buford-boobs.png

At least in this moment, second in his life his expression here he looks like he has a bad toothache.

[SquawkinHawkBigCock]

Everybody here complains about the players on the Spurs' roster, yet expects them to yield huge returns in trades:lol
Truth nuke :lol

[buttsR4rebounding]

Pacers got it right lol. They knew Paul George wanted to be a Laker but sent him to Oklahoma first to suffer as Westbrook's sidekick for a year. Pacers even made it look like PG was worth a Sabonis and Oldaipo. They turned down the celtics and cavs because they didn't want to help them which makes perfect sense.

And why they would never have traded him to the Spurs. Indiana was tired of hearing that SA shit all over them on the Kawhi trade and weren't going to take the chance that it would be repeated.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol OKC ended up not even being better than the Spurs WITHOUT Kawhi:wow

[DPG21920]

IND would have been better off holding PG for the year and letting him walk rather than taking on a terrible contract. But at least they didn't cave and send him to LA. Make LA sign PG using all their cap space and make him take a pay cut for wanting to play for a loser.

Half right. Dipo proved a lot of people wrong - especially if he sustains past this season.

[Seventyniner]

Half right. Dipo proved a lot of people wrong - especially if he sustains past this season.

His contract of $21M for each of the next 3 seasons is actually looking like a bargain. It seemed like a terrible deal at the time.

[YGWHI]

:lol OKC ended up not even being better than the Spurs WITHOUT Kawhi:wow

If they lose in first round again with PG13 and unplayable Melo :lol I can't remember rooting so hard for a non-Spurs' team before...#GoJazz #TakeNote

[bklynspursfan]

:lol OKC ended up not even being better than the Spurs WITHOUT Kawhi:wow

Insane. And people were freaking out how OKC made these huge leaps ahead of us :lol

[DPG21920]

If they lose in first round again with PG13 and unplayable Melo :lol I can't remember rooting so hard for a non-Spurs' team before...#GoJazz #TakeNote

Yup. OKC is just unlivable except for Adams. I love Adams.

[SuperCam]

:lol OKC ended up not even being better than the Spurs WITHOUT Kawhi:wow

not really, jazz would sweep spur easily right now tbh

[SpurOutofTownFan]

:lol OKC ended up not even being better than the Spurs WITHOUT Kawhi:wow

In your opinion did the Spurs dodged a bullet here? no one can't convince me the Spurs didn't look into bring him there

[Chinook]

In your opinion did the Spurs dodged a bullet here? no one can't convince me the Spurs didn't look into bring him there

Not Harlem, but SA did dodge a bullet, so to speak, in not dumping LMA for PG. That was always the issue for any of these trades most of the "realists" considered Aldridge to be a must-move guy and were willing to give him and whatever assets they could up for whatever players. In a world where the Spurs could have gotten any of those guys while keeping LMA, it would have been different. I'd love for PG to come over next year, especially if the Spurs trade Leonard for a deal involving a top offensive guard. Say Walker, George and Aldridge is a big three you can win with.

As far as how interested the Spurs were in a George-for-Aldridge swap, I'd say very. The rumors were George would be open to reupping in SA, while LMA supposedly had asked for a trade. If you were looking at losing Aldridge regardless, you may as well try to get another star for him. It's not clear how interested the team was to adding more assets to make anything happen, though.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

Not Harlem, but SA did dodge a bullet, so to speak, in not dumping LMA for PG. That was always the issue for any of these trades most of the "realists" considered Aldridge to be a must-move guy and were willing to give him and whatever assets they could up for whatever players. In a world where the Spurs could have gotten any of those guys while keeping LMA, it would have been different. I'd love for PG to come over next year, especially if the Spurs trade Leonard for a deal involving a top offensive guard. Say Walker, George and Aldridge is a big three you can win with.

As far as how interested the Spurs were in a George-for-Aldridge swap, I'd say very. The rumors were George would be open to reupping in SA, while LMA supposedly had asked for a trade. If you were looking at losing Aldridge regardless, you may as well try to get another star for him. It's not clear how interested the team was to adding more assets to make anything happen, though.

Thanks for your thorough take

[SpursBig3s]

Not Harlem, but SA did dodge a bullet, so to speak, in not dumping LMA for PG. That was always the issue for any of these trades most of the "realists" considered Aldridge to be a must-move guy and were willing to give him and whatever assets they could up for whatever players. In a world where the Spurs could have gotten any of those guys while keeping LMA, it would have been different. I'd love for PG to come over next year, especially if the Spurs trade Leonard for a deal involving a top offensive guard. Say Walker, George and Aldridge is a big three you can win with.

As far as how interested the Spurs were in a George-for-Aldridge swap, I'd say very. The rumors were George would be open to reupping in SA, while LMA supposedly had asked for a trade. If you were looking at losing Aldridge regardless, you may as well try to get another star for him. It's not clear how interested the team was to adding more assets to make anything happen, though.


In this scenario, how would we trade for Kemba if hypothetically we got PG for Kawhi (in whatever trade package it might be)? I would love a Kemba/PG-13/LMA Big 3

[HarlemHeat37]

not really, jazz would sweep spur easily right now tbh

They only won 1 or 2 games more than the Spurs, my guy:lol

[Chinook]

In this scenario, how would we trade for Kemba if hypothetically we got PG for Kawhi (in whatever trade package it might be)? I would love a Kemba/PG-13/LMA Big 3

Ignoring picks, the bones would be PG S&T for Kawhi and Patty (MUUUUUCH better for OKC than losing PG for nothing, and George may be sold on a legit Big Three and a HoF coach).

Then Kemba and Marvin Williams for Pau, Murray, Joff and Paul (guaranteed because he has to be) with cash to pay for the two min guys.

Assuming Green opts in and Gay opts out but re-ups. Parker comes back for the min or room exception, as does Manu. You'd have:

Walker, Parker
Green, White
George, Ginobili
Williams, Gay
Aldridge

The team might still have 18 in this scenario, and they'd probably get out of this with Milutinov as well. They could bring Nikola for part of the MLE in to compete with a ring-chasing vet for the backup center spot, add a PF with legit big size. Draft a wing at 18 to back up Manu, White and Gay. Then they could use the rest of the MLE on some young guys and get a ring-chaser to be their third PG. There's even room to bring back two of Anderson, Bertans and Forbes. That seems as close to an ideal situation as I could see happening outside of Leonard coming back for less than the DPE and the team still finding a way to trade for Walker.

[HarlemHeat37]

In your opinion did the Spurs dodged a bullet here? no one can't convince me the Spurs didn't look into bring him there

There's nothing wrong with Paul George, he's a top 15 player and he isn't the reason OKC is losing..he's getting clowned for Joe Ingles' performance, but Ingles's points have mostly been on open looks due to OKC's breakdowns..

Spurs definitely miss the playoffs if they swapped George for Aldridge, though..as good as George is, he's always been inconsistent during the RS..

I just found it funny how much people downplayed the Spurs..if Kawhi was healthy and played, this team would have been MUCH better than OKC or Denver or Minnesota..they probably would have finished ahead of GS..

[Chinook]

That, or there are scenarios where the Spurs get the cap space to sign PG outright and then trade Green-plus for Kemba. Before anyone gets mad, Danny's pretty much just an expiring in this case. I honestly think Kemba will go for a haul SA could match when it's all sad and done.

[Seventyniner]

There's nothing wrong with Paul George, he's a top 15 player and he isn't the reason OKC is losing..he's getting clowned for Joe Ingles' performance, but Ingles's points have mostly been on open looks due to OKC's breakdowns..

Spurs definitely miss the playoffs if they swapped George for Aldridge, though..as good as George is, he's always been inconsistent during the RS..

I just found it funny how much people downplayed the Spurs..if Kawhi was healthy and played, this team would have been MUCH better than OKC or Denver or Minnesota..they probably would have finished ahead of GS..

Yeah, Ingles is a spot-up shooter. It's not like he's breaking PG's ankles.

I don't know if the Spurs would have quite gotten to #2 if fully healthy cause the Warriors might have played different if they were in danger of falling out of 2nd, but the Spurs would have easily been top 3. The 4 seed would be closer to 9th place than 3rd.

[spurraider21]

Ingles is more than just a shooter... that’s selling him short

[DAF86]

Not Harlem, but SA did dodge a bullet, so to speak, in not dumping LMA for PG. That was always the issue for any of these trades most of the "realists" considered Aldridge to be a must-move guy and were willing to give him and whatever assets they could up for whatever players. In a world where the Spurs could have gotten any of those guys while keeping LMA, it would have been different. I'd love for PG to come over next year, especially if the Spurs trade Leonard for a deal involving a top offensive guard. Say Walker, George and Aldridge is a big three you can win with.

As far as how interested the Spurs were in a George-for-Aldridge swap, I'd say very. The rumors were George would be open to reupping in SA, while LMA supposedly had asked for a trade. If you were looking at losing Aldridge regardless, you may as well try to get another star for him. It's not clear how interested the team was to adding more assets to make anything happen, though.

If you consider 2nd round exits winning, tbh.

BTW, Geroge for Aldridge was a no-brainer move then and it's a no-brainer now. Neither guy is a number one option, but George is better secondary option than Aldridge in today's NBA.

[Chinook]

If you consider 2nd round exits winning, tbh.

BTW, Geroge for Aldridge was a no-brainer move then and it's a no-brainer now.

Nah, that'd've been a bum-ass trade. George-ball sure as shit isn't winning ball. I get the idea that maybe the Spurs could have come out ahead had they won the lotto, but in terms of on the court, LMA has few parallels.

It's sort of amazing, though, how you'd think LMA, someone better than LMA and another All-Star is just a second-round team, though. I see no reason at all why it wouldn't be favored over Houston.

[Russ]

BTW, Geroge for Aldridge was a no-brainer move then and it's a no-brainer now. Neither guy is a number one option, but George is better secondary option than Aldridge in today's NBA.

I beg to differ . . .


Paul George is a 6'9" jumpshooter shooting a career 43%. His teams have never been any good.

If you didn't like LMA . . .

That was posted before this season.

Now, Paul George's team (with Westbrook and Melo) again failed to win 50 games . . .

[DAF86]

Nah, that'd've been a bum-ass trade. George-ball sure as shit isn't winning ball. I get the idea that maybe the Spurs could have come out ahead had they won the lotto, but in terms of on the court, LMA has few parallels.

It's sort of amazing, though, how you'd think LMA, someone better than LMA and another All-Star is just a second-round team, though. I see no reason at all why it wouldn't be favored over Houston.

Becuase Walker, George and Aldridge are all B level stars. Neither is one of those trandescent elite players that are usually the difference between being a good team and a championship team. Houston has two of those players (you can argue Paul being an elite player, but you can't argue that he's better than Walker, George and Aldridge) and a better offensive system for today's NBA. So a combination of talent + system would make the Rockets a clearly better team than the Spurs.

On a semi-related note, not too long ago you scoffed at me because you said I thought that post ups not being winning basketball was some kind of a hot take, implying that it is nothing new, but you as currently as one and a half years ago were asking for aldridge to be the number one option over Kawhi, because it is "easier to build an offense around a bigman". By your latest remarks I must come to the conclusion that you no longer think like that, am I right?

[DAF86]

I beg to differ . . .



That was posted before this season.

Now, Paul George's team (with Westbrook and Melo) again failed to win 50 games . . .

Tall wings that are elite three pt shooters and elite two way players are more valuable than post up players, tbh.

[gambit1990]

Ingles is more than just a shooter... that’s selling him short

[HarlemHeat37]

Ingles is more than just a shooter... that’s selling him short

I didn't say he's just a shooter, but most of his points in this series are coming from open shots, it's not like he's beating George in isolation..

[Chinook]

Becuase Walker, George and Aldridge are all B level stars. Neither is one of those trandescent elite players that are usually the difference between being a good team and a championship team. Houston has two of those players (you can argue Paul being an elite player, but you can't argue that he's better than Walker, George and Aldridge) and a better offensive system for today's NBA. So a combination of talent + system would make the Rockets a clearly better team than the Spurs.

Harden isn't winning shit. The Spurs already demonstrated that. I'm not giving him and Paul the nod over LMA and PG in a series, and throwing in Kemba while keeping most of the team's role-players and Pop? Hell no. Minny should be winning this series, but Thibs is being exposed as a horrible coach nowadays. Underachieving his talent like there's no tomorrow.


On a semi-related note, not too long ago you scoffed at me because you said I thought that post ups not being winning basketball was some kind of a hot take, implying that it is nothing new, but you as currently as one and a half years ago were asking for aldridge to be the number one option over Kawhi, because it is "easier to build an offense around a bigman". By your latest remarks I must come to the conclusion that you no longer think like that, am I right?

??? You're saying to different things here. Your take about post-ups wasn't new or hard to get. That you kept acting like it was is what I was scoffing at. The second part is about how to build an offense, and yes, it is still easier to build and offense around bigs than guards and easier to build around guards than wings. Houston's loss last year demonstrated that. Basketball as a sport was created to be inside-out, and the rule changes can only alter that so far. Having a dominant inside player is still the easiest way to focus a scheme. Getting a guard to play off him and a wing to provide shooting, defense and iso points doesn't take this away. I don't want All-Stars around LMA to supplant him. I want them to compliment him. I've said multiple times already that we haven't seen a true version of "Aldridge-ball" yet. Getting those guys would give us a better glimpse at it.

[Seventyniner]

Becuase Walker, George and Aldridge are all B level stars. Neither is one of those trandescent elite players that are usually the difference between being a good team and a championship team. Houston has two of those players (you can argue Paul being an elite player, but you can't argue that he's better than Walker, George and Aldridge) and a better offensive system for today's NBA. So a combination of talent + system would make the Rockets a clearly better team than the Spurs.


I certainly would argue that Aldridge is better than Chris Paul right now. Not quite enough to bridge the Harden/Paul George gap, but close.

Kawhi + Aldridge roughly cancels out Harden + Paul in terms of elite talent and star power.

In either case Kemba would be the 5th best player on the combined rosters.

[DAF86]

Harden isn't winning shit. The Spurs already demonstrated that. I'm not giving him and Paul the nod over LMA and PG in a series, and throwing in Kemba while keeping most of the team's role-players and Pop? Hell no. Minny should be winning this series, but Thibs is being exposed as a horrible coach nowadays. Underachieving his talent like there's no tomorrow.



??? You're saying to different things here. Your take about post-ups wasn't new or hard to get. That you kept acting like it was is what I was scoffing at. The second part is about how to build an offense, and yes, it is still easier to build and offense around bigs than guards and easier to build around guards than wings. Houston's loss last year demonstrated that. Basketball as a sport was created to be inside-out, and the rule changes can only alter that so far. Having a dominant inside player is still the easiest way to focus a scheme. Getting a guard to play off him and a wing to provide shooting, defense and iso points doesn't take this away. I don't want All-Stars around LMA to supplant him. I want them to compliment him. I've said multiple times already that we haven't seen a true version of "Aldridge-ball" yet. Getting those guys would give us a better glimpse at it.

You are very wrong on both accounts, but you are specially wrong on the last one. Still clinging to the Aldridge over Kawhi as a 1st option take is laughably bad.

And then you try to argue that you aren't an old fart when it comes to basketball reasoning :lol. That's probably why you think that a team of Walker, George and Aldridge would be better than a team that just won 65 games, tbh.

[Chinook]

You are very wrong on both accounts, but you are specially wrong on the last one. Still clinging to the Aldridge over Kawhi as a 1st option take is laughably bad.

And then you try to argue that you aren't an old fart when it comes to basketball reasoning :lol. That's probably why you think that a team of Walker, George and Aldridge would be better than a team that just won 65 games, tbh.

I know you live in a fantasy world where the Spurs didn't beat your ideal offense with clunky old LMA and flawed role-players, but it's not the real world.

And you make it sound like I said LMA needed to take the most shots or something. I went out of my way to say he needed to be the first guy to touch it most of the time, not the last guy. A lot of the Spurs BG offense began with an opening post-up.

[DAF86]

I know you live in a fantasy world where the Spurs didn't beat your ideal offense with clunky old LMA and flawed role-players, but it's not the real world.

And you make it sound like I said LMA needed to take the most shots or something. I went out of my way to say he needed to be the first guy to touch it most of the time, not the last guy. A lot of the Spurs BG offense began with an opening post-up.

No matter how you phrase it or spin it, it's still laughably dumb.

[Chinook]

No matter how you phrase it or spin it, it's still laughably dumb.

It's very dumb of you to constantly rewrite last year's playoffs. Yes.

[DAF86]

It's very dumb of you to constantly rewrite last year's playoffs. Yes.

Harden had the worst game of his life. On a team that depended solely on that guy to create offense, I think it's smart to conclude that that team would have been beaten anyway. It's at least a debatable argument.

On the other hand, saying Aldridge > Kawhi as a first option is dumbfuck retardation at it's finest. No place for twsits, turns or debates.

[TD 21]

I just found it funny how much people downplayed the Spurs..if Kawhi was healthy and played, this team would have been MUCH better than OKC or Denver or Minnesota..they probably would have finished ahead of GS..

Not as funny as thinking Lillard is the 2nd best PG and 7th best player in the NBA. :lmao

It wasn't that the Spurs were downplayed, so much as the Thunder and Timberwolves were overplayed. I knew the Timberwolves were and said as much in the off season. I had the Thunder figured out not long after . . . http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270489&page=4.


If you claim to have thought the Spurs mostly sans Leonard would be equal to a mostly healthy Thunder or that Oladipo would outplay George and graduate to the same tier, you're a liar.

[Chinook]

Harden had the worst game of his life. On a team that depended solely on that guy to create offense, I think it's smart to conclude that that team would have been beaten anyway. It's at least a debatable argument.

On the other hand, saying Aldridge > Kawhi as a first option is dumbfuck retardation at it's finest. No place for twsits, turns or debates.

I'm going to try to be as diplomatic as possible here: I don't think you understand basketball. Not really. I think you only know how to look at stats and repeat jargon about analytics. Again, not trying to insult you, but your arguments rarley address how plays actually work. I'll go into sets and options and whatnot, and you'll dismiss it with no nuanced counter. "Modern basketball" only makes sense as an evolution of fundamental basketball. No amount of stat reciting will ever make up for that.

[SuperCam]

They only won 1 or 2 games more than the Spurs, my guy:lol

jazz went on a 30-5 run to end the season while spur was shitting it up. their regular season record means nothing they were much better team second half of the year. they are playing better than the Showers sans curry tbqh

spur needed OT to beat team w/o Gobert after losing to a rook in the 2nd to last matchup

[HarlemHeat37]

Not as funny as thinking Lillard is the 2nd best PG and 7th best player in the NBA. :lmao

It wasn't that the Spurs were downplayed, so much as the Thunder and Timberwolves were overplayed. I knew the Timberwolves were and said as much in the off season. I had the Thunder figured out not long after . . . http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270489&page=4.


If you claim to have thought the Spurs mostly sans Leonard would be equal to a mostly healthy Thunder or that Oladipo would outplay George and graduate to the same tier, you're a liar.

I didn't say anything about myself, I don't know why you're freaking out:lol I just bumped this to put things in perspective that the Spurs had a successful season, all things considered..many posters here and most of the media had them equal or behind those teams WITH Kawhi..

[HarlemHeat37]

jazz went on a 30-5 run to end the season while spur was shitting it up. their regular season record means nothing they were much better team second half of the year. they are playing better than the Showers sans curry tbqh

spur needed OT to beat team w/o Gobert after losing to a rook in the 2nd to last matchup

I was referring to OKC, not Utah..

[TD 21]

I didn't say anything about myself, I don't know why you're freaking out:lol I just bumped this to put things in perspective that the Spurs had a successful season, all things considered..many posters here and most of the media had them equal or behind those teams WITH Kawhi..

The implication was that you thought otherwise and that there was sound reasoning for doing so (when there clearly wasn't).

How am I freaking out? :lol

[DAF86]

I'm going to try to be as diplomatic as possible here: I don't think you understand basketball. Not really. I think you only know how to look at stats and repeat jargon about analytics. Again, not trying to insult you, but your arguments rarley address how plays actually work. I'll go into sets and options and whatnot, and you'll dismiss it with no nuanced counter. "Modern basketball" only makes sense as an evolution of fundamental basketball. No amount of stat reciting will ever make up for that.

No ammount of diplomacy will make Aldridge a better offensive option than Kawhi.

[YGWHI]

No ammount of diplomacy will make Aldridge a better offensive option than Kawhi.

It's funny that Chinook talks about your "ideal offense" of dominant guards in a perimeter oriented league was 2016-17 Rockets...What's about full-healthy GSW?

Modern basketball wasn't Harden, was about great shooters winning two ships without a mid-range/post-up bigman eating shots.

As diplomatic as posible...Chinook won't admit a mistake even if his life depends on it.

[Slippy]

No matter how you phrase it or spin it, it's still laughably dumb.

No matter how you spin it about being misunderstood for the next few pages-what you posted about PG having more value than LA is dumber than dumb.

[DAF86]

No matter how you spin it about being misunderstood for the next few pages-what you posted about PG having more value than LA is dumber than dumb.

I don't need to spin shit, tbh. George > Aldridge for today's NBA.

[Chinook]

No ammount of diplomacy will make Aldridge a better offensive option than Kawhi.

But not understanding what I meant by option will cause you to accuse me of something I didn't say.

[SAGirl]

Jeeeezus some Spurfan is really hateful and ungrateful...

[DAF86]

But not understanding what I meant by option will cause you to accuse me of something I didn't say.

What you said was pretty clear, tbh.

[DAF86]

Jeeeezus some Spurfan is really hateful and ungrateful...

I'm very grateful. I'm also very realistic and like to call it how I see it.

[Chinook]

What you said was pretty clear, tbh.

Evidently not given how you don't seem to know what I said.

[DAF86]

Evidently not given how you don't seem to know what I said.

You clearly said Aldridge should be the number one option over Kawhi.

[Chinook]

You clearly said Aldridge should be the number one option over Kawhi.

But what does that mean to you?

[SAGirl]

I'm very grateful. I'm also very realistic and like to call it how I see it.
Maybe I am emotional tonight bc it might be Manu’s last game if the team gets eliminated. Go figure. I didn’t think it would hit me like this since I wasn’t emotional last season, but It hit me in “the feels”. You just never know.

I don’t want to be all preachy or anything and normally critiquing of Spurs players is expected here but it’s hollow to sing praises to Kiwi right now when he’s missed an entire season and expects a supermax in spite of it. Lamarcus carried the same roster people hated for Kawhi las summer with no complaints and without Kiwis 25 PPG and everything else he adds to the game. He’s had an amazing season l. I don’t think even his Portland teams were this devoid of scoring punch.

its been a struggle and a grind and I just feel like being appreciative of the guys who played this season.

You just picked the wrong season to be hating Lamarcus tbh...

[DAF86]

But what does that mean to you?

What it means to everybody. Do you think that this comment you made:

"And you make it sound like I said LMA needed to take the most shots or something. I went out of my way to say he needed to be the first guy to touch it most of the time, not the last guy. A lot of the Spurs BG offense began with an opening post-up."

Was some kind of complex idea that I couldn't understand?

That's why I said that not matter how you phrase it or spin it, you are still wrong. Kawhi has to shoot it more, touch it more and touch it first more because he is the vastly superior player.

[SAGirl]

DAF stuck in 2016-17 ...

[DAF86]

Maybe I am emotional tonight bc it might be Manu’s last game if the team gets eliminated. Go figure. I didn’t think it would hit me like this since I wasn’t emotional last season, but It hit me in “the feels”. You just never know.

I don’t want to be all preachy or anything and normally critiquing of Spurs players is expected here but it’s hollow to sing praises to Kiwi right now when he’s missed an entire season and expects a supermax in spite of it. Lamarcus carried the same roster people hated for Kawhi las summer with no complaints and without Kiwis 25 PPG and everything else he adds to the game. He’s had an amazing season l. I don’t think even his Portland teams were this devoid of scoring punch.

its been a struggle and a grind and I just feel like being appreciative of the guys who played this season.

You just picked the wrong season to be hating Lamarcus tbh...

That's were you are wrong. I'm not hating, I'm just calling it how I see it.

[DAF86]

DAF stuck in 2016-17 ...

One more thing: Weren't you the one hating on Manu and saying he should retire after every single game you thought he played bad, and I'm the one hating on guys?