Woj:Patty Mills has agreed to a 4-year, $50M deal to stay with San Antonio

[NASpurs]

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[Holden_Caulfield]

not bad...

[tmtcsc]

Wow. 12.5 per

[cjw]

Could be a lot worse. Will take that over $27 million a year for Hill

[baseline bum]

Fuck me :pctoss

[loveforthegame]

Gross.

[Spurs9]

Could be worse I guess :\

[TimDunkem]

:vomit:

[140]

Underpaid tbh

[loveforthegame]

4 more years of bricks. Awesome.

[ducks]

Wtf

[Clipper Nation]

Shame on PATFO for nickel-and-diming their best point guard after giving the loyalty contract to that fat French pig. They're lucky MVPatty actually accepted the scraps they offered.

[mexicanjunior]

Awful...I guess no upgrade at PG....

[raybies]

what the frickety fuck?!!! damn was hoping he was out

[140]

And he most probably took a discount for the benefit of the team, unlike other Spurs' pgs...:lol

[SuperCam]

40% playoff shooter locked up to 4 year deal, Dubs must be terrified :pctoss

[Mugen]

Could be worse. Look at what Teague got, what Georgie will likely get this year, Allen Crabbe....

Happy Patty is staying tbh.

[objective]

Sick to my stomach

He's been playoff trash shooting wise since he had the shoulder surgery, can't defend anybody, and now he'll be shitting up the books in caproom for 4 damn years

THIS SUCKS

[Hoops Czar]

There is no god.

[SPURt]

Well this free agency period is starting of great

[TheRemix]

Not sure how I feell about this. I like patty but I wanted a big pg upgrade...

[Nathan89]

Derrick White will be better than this shithead his rookie year.

[NASpurs]

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[Robz4000]

At least I like everything about him off the court, and he can play alongside Kawhi and Murray. Still, he was unplayable most of the postseason.

[SuperCam]

PATFO apologists said the strategy was about letting the deadweight go off book next year :lol

[davidbowie]

money well spent

[Nathan89]

Trying to win with 6ft sgs:lmao

[tmtcsc]

Shame on PATFO for nickel-and-diming their best point guard after giving the loyalty contract to that fat French pig. They're lucky MVPatty actually accepted the scraps they offered.

You know what's worse? Having to fill in for that little French fuck and play out of position. He lost market value because of it. He is NOT a point guard.

[Hoops Czar]

Pau opting out to allow the Spurs to sign Mega Paddy. :lmao

[baseline bum]

It's always funny going to Woj's twitter at 11:01PM on June 30th to see what retard contract got agreed to. Never expected RC to offer one of those first minute pieces of shit. This is our Mozgov contract.

[Snaq O'Meal]

That's a fucking lot of money locked up in the point guard spot, and those short-assed guys are still fodder to the best point guards in the league.

[raybies]

does this means Simmons is gone?

[99 Problems]

HE'S STAYING homies... For the time being anyway. Kawhi and MVPatty gearing up for :lobt2:run. Fuel up the :convertib we're takin Blossomgame and Deka on a lap of downtown....

[Chinook]

I'm fine with this. He can play with Murray off the bench. However, trading Green while keeping Parker would be inexcusable.

[Uriel]

Holy shit. Did not see this coming. I thought he was gone.

[Seventyniner]

I sure hope that 4th year is a team option.

[FkLA]

Paddy is my guy but why draft Derrick White then? That contract isnt bad for a 10+ PPG spark plug off the bench though, tbf.

[rjv]

I like it. Won't overpay for Hill and focus is now on the young PGs.

[Nathan89]

Livingston signed with GSW for 24mil:lmao

[tmtcsc]

It's always funny going to Woj's twitter at 11:01PM on June 30th to see what retard contract got agreed to. Never expected RC to offer one of those first minute pieces of shit. This is our Mozgov contract.

C'mon man, that's not even close. Patty helped the team a Championship in 2014 while playing with a torn shoulder.

[Seventyniner]

I'm fine with this. He can play with Murray off the bench. However, trading Green while keeping Parker would be inexcusable.

But who starts at PG?

[Clipper Nation]

There is no god.

What are you talking about? The Spurs just signed God for 4 years, $50M.

[Ditty]

Kind of surprising especially after drafting White. Seems like the have plans on moving White to the shooting guard. It is fair value, and a great locker room guy but was not needed anymore. Welcome back though, Patty!

[pgardn]

Could be worse. Look at what Teague got, what Georgie will likely get this year, Allen Crabbe....

Happy Patty is staying tbh.

Me too.

But not at that price.
Oh well...
Our regular season 2nd team still has a shooter.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Ugh, 4 more years of dead weight that wastes Kawhi's prime.

[tmtcsc]

Paddy is my guy but why draft Derrick White then? That contract isnt bad for a 10+ PPG spark plug off the bench though, tbf.

Manu, Parker and Green may not be coming back. White is George Hill part 2 / Combo guard.

[FkLA]

Livingston signed with GSW for 24mil:lmao

3 yrs/$24 mill

smh

[Chinook]

But who starts at PG?

I guess with the current roster, Murray would start with Green and Mills and Simmons off the bench, which works just fine for me. Mills, Simmons, Anderson, Bertans, defensive big who can dive and board would be a nice second unit.

[140]

money well spent

[objective]

Now we'll have a fat, aging, bricking no defense point guard getting double digits for the next 4 years

These people in charge are repeating the same mistake of summer 07:

While everyone else is trying to get better, these clownss care more about taking care of 'their guys' to bring the old band back at nice money.

Keep pretending that getting older with the same inferior guys gives a better chance to win, jerks!

[99 Problems]

Pop obviously see White being Manu going forward.

[baseline bum]

God I would have offered Iguodala 3 years, $60 million before offering Mills 4 years, $50 million

[davidbowie]

is manu coming back or not

[cjw]

Pop obviously see White being Manu going forward.

Yeah.

Development of Murray and White will be more important than free agency. Cheap contracts that contribute pay huge dividends.

[HarlemHeat37]

Love Patty, but was hoping the Spurs would move on, tbh..Patty for 4 more years and Parker playing until he's 40:lol

I don't hate it if they actually let Parker walk and don't re-up, though..

[Mugen]

12.5 mil for an above average 6th man (which is what Patty is) isn't terrible tbh. You already knowwhat he means to the team culture.

Hopefully it means PATFO are closer to moving away from TP tbh.

[Rito3d30]

Not a bad deal I suppose compare with other crazy contracts

Hope White can turn into Gary Neal 2.0 with much better defensive ability

[baseline bum]

3 yrs/$24 mill

smh

:pctoss

[140]

12.5 mil for an above average 6th man (which is what Patty is) isn't terrible tbh. You already knowwhat he means to the team culture.

Hopefully it means PATFO are closer to moving away from TP tbh.
:lol

[SilverSpur]

I was guessing 4 yrs 40 mil.

[AFBlue]

Get ready for Patty as the starting PG next year with that kind of a paycheck. At least until Tony is back. The good thing is he can slide over to SG and play alongside the REAL future at PG, Dejounte Murray.

[pgardn]

:pctoss

Thats a no pressure move by Livingston for another ring.

[MannyIsGod]

I never thought the Spurs would trade Parker but if they resign Simmons, draft a PG, and resign Patty, then I think they actually might move Parker's contract. This move definitely makes that more possible.

I don't hate this signing. Mills has definite value, despite what people bitch about, and there are no veteran guards you're signing for cheap. People just don't understand that players are getting paid. In a day when stars get 40 million dollar contracts you're going to see role players get this type of deal.

Anyone know if the last year would be an option year?

[Nathan89]

Get ready for Patty as the starting PG next year with that kind of a paycheck. At least until Tony is back. The good thing is he can slide over to SG and play alongside the REAL future at PG, Dejounte Murray.

He won't start.

[baseline bum]

Thats a no pressure move by Livingston for another ring.

He has never had a big contract in his career. He's nuts not trying to get paid. He should have at least held out for an option on a four year deal if he was going to take that kind of paycut.

[eDizzle20]

Cap hold for Patty is only $6.8 mil. I'm sure he'll technically be the last to sign once signing begins next week.

[baseline bum]

I never thought the Spurs would trade Parker but if they resign Simmons, draft a PG, and resign Patty, then I think they actually might move Parker's contract. This move definitely makes that more possible.

I don't hate this signing. Mills has definite value, despite what people bitch about, and there are no veteran guards you're signing for cheap. People just don't understand that players are getting paid. In a day when stars get 40 million dollar contracts you're going to see role players get this type of deal.

Anyone know if the last year would be an option year?

Might as well have signed Hill for $20 million a season then. I'm not a fan of his but he's a huge upgrade over Mills. Maybe they were stuck with Mills after being unable to find someone to take Aldridge's bitch ass in a salary dump.

[objective]

Parker and his shit extension has been cement shoes on this team and now they've just replaced him for 3 more years with another declining, bulking waste on the books.

Paying a back up point double digits on this team is insane. He's not a 6th man, he's not Manu, he'll never be that. Congratulations, the Spurs are blowing 30% of their cap on point guards who aren't in the top 20 or even 30 of their position

Why not just pay 3/36 to Teodosic? More fun anyway.

[palangi]

What a major disappointment.

[pgardn]

He has never had a big contract in his career. He's nuts not trying to get paid. He should have at least held out for an option on a four year deal if he was going to take that kind of paycut.

He likes helping deliver the knockout punch after their starters kill it.
You know there are teams that see him moving as a lesser Harden type play. He does not want it. Likes it easy.

[steeledl]

Sounds like a lot but that is the landscape of the NBA this year. We couldnt afford to lose him as a player/future asset.

[FkLA]

Might as well have signed Hill for $20 million a season then. I'm not a fan of his but he's a huge upgrade over Mills. Maybe they were stuck with Mills after being unable to find someone to take Aldridge's bitch ass in a salary dump.

There's reports that talks b/w Hill and Spurs broke off. Hill is probably looking to cash in and balked at Pop and RC asking for a hometown discount.

[sananspursfan21]

So money wise, what do we got left? Can we still make a run at a big free agent? I assume we won't be chasing anymore Point Guards now

[davi78239]

Just wait till next summer when we actually have cash. Then you'll really see what disappointment is.

[steeledl]

We could't just let him walk. Our lack of assets is hindering us from making any moves this offseason. Losing Mills would have further hampered us next offseason. I dont love Mills but he has a desirable skillset.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs are going to get fucking nothing for Aldridge. I figured they'd at least be able to salary dump him and get Paul Millsap or George Hill. Neither an upgrade but at least something.

[FkLA]

Parker and his shit extension has been cement shoes on this team and now they've just replaced him for 3 more years with another declining, bulking waste on the books.

Paying a back up point double digits on this team is insane. He's not a 6th man, he's not Manu, he'll never be that. Congratulations, the Spurs are blowing 30% of their cap on point guards who aren't in the top 20 or even 30 of their position

Why not just pay 3/36 to Teodosic? More fun anyway.

He's not Manu but he's also getting paid a fraction of what prime 6MOY Manu would've gotten paid in today's NBA.

[steeledl]

is manu coming back or not

I hope not, at least as a rotation player. A one year contract wouldnt be the worst thing in the world as next year is sort of a lost year. I just don't want Pop to play him over younger guys.

[Ice009]

Sick to my stomach

He's been playoff trash shooting wise since he had the shoulder surgery, can't defend anybody, and now he'll be shitting up the books in caproom for 4 damn years

THIS SUCKS

He never was a good playoff performer/shooter, IMO.

[99 Problems]

Don't focus too much on 'back up pg'. If we get 4 yr of production from MVPatty playing off White like we have from doing so with Manu I'm very happy. Good age, Spur guy, sensible contract tbh.

[Solid D]

I'm glad Patty is staying and that's a decent contract considering 2017-18 rates. Iggy is meeting with the Spurs at midnight, so it will be interesting what shakes out from it. The Spurs certainly have guys who can play the PG position now. Patty will likely return to getting more minutes at the 2 this coming season.

Many see Derrick White as a G-Leaguer but he's 23 and seems to have some ability to score, get to line, and make a few plays. So the lead guard and wing positions may turn out okay...depending on additional FA action.

If the offseason goes south, the Spurs can always play 5-out alignments and let Kawhi do his thing every trip.

[140]

Parker and his shit extension has been cement shoes on this team

[steeledl]

does this means Simmons is gone?

Why would it mean that?

[Rito3d30]

Just wait till next summer when we actually have cash. Then you'll really see what disappointment is.

:bobo

[objective]

There's reports that talks b/w Hill and Spurs broke off. Hill is probably looking to cash in and balked at Pop and RC asking for a hometown discount.

They should have found their balls and waited him out. And if someone else signs him, so what? They still have White and Murray and can add a Beno to hold over instead of wasting cap for 4 years.

[Ice009]

C'mon man, that's not even close. Patty helped the team a Championship in 2014 while playing with a torn shoulder.

Helped what? He was putrid in the OKC series and wasn't a game breaker in the finals either. He had one great finals game after Manu and Kawhi brought us back into game 5 after being down big early. Did anyone actually watch him in those playoffs? He didn't really do that much. He only had one great game.

Give Chris Bosh a call. We need a cheap MEGA value deal.

[140]

He has never had a big contract in his career. He's nuts not trying to get paid. He should have at least held out for an option on a four year deal if he was going to take that kind of paycut.
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[objective]

Many see Derrick White as a G-Leaguer but he's 23 and seems to have some ability to score, get to line, and make a few plays. So the lead guard and wing positions may turn out okay...depending on additional FA action.

Where on Earth does White find minutes? What's his path, because I don't see one unfortunately.

[dabom]

Shame on PATFO for nickel-and-diming their best point guard after giving the loyalty contract to that fat French pig. They're lucky MVPatty actually accepted the scraps they offered.

[FkLA]

881009032106061824

What a fucking idiot.

[Ice009]

What a fucking idiot.

Hopefully he doesn't hurt himself again and regret passing up all that money. What a fucking idiot, indeed.

[JR3]

Bang for buck. They must know Hill will be over priced. Teague just went to the twolves... I was good with dejaunte... but true to form - the Spurs have their comfort zone with veterans... here is to hoping that shooting % goes up.

[BatManu20]

Thought he for sure was gone. $12.5M/per isn't bad though. Just kind of odd with the Derrick White pick. We have a lot of Guards to work with.

BUT... if we re-sign Tony next summer, then it makes no sense.

[baseline bum]

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What a moron

[dabom]

My dude Clipper Nation and 140 putting work. Patty is a bona fide champion.

[baseline bum]

Well at least they're not signing Derrick Rose. I guess one good thing about tonight.

[100%duncan]

Man I fucking love patty but the these moves arent making sense at all :lol they draft a combo guard who doesn't have much upside but is "ready-to-play" now, it was looking like Murray is gonna be given keys next season, and we give this fat paycheck to patty? Yeah the last contract was a discount but what the fuck is this shit

[objective]

They've locked up a guy who can't stay on the court against the Warriors. Livingston will continue to dump on him.

He couldn't even guard Austin Rivers.

[100%duncan]

Well at least they're not signing Derrick Rose. I guess one good thing about tonight.

:lol holy fuck yes

[Clipper Nation]

My dude Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500) and 140 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49590) putting work. Patty is a bona fide champion.

[Mnky]

At least I like everything about him off the court, and he can play alongside Kawhi and Murray. Still, he was unplayable most of the postseason.

Gsw entries defense was planned to stop him.

He couldn't make the right pass, and his teammates couldnt take advantage either.

Hes definitely playable tho

[Mugen]

White makes sense when you consider that the Spurs wanted Bradley. When he was gone, they went with the next guy on their board. Went for best player over fit.

[timtonymanu]

Love Patty but still ugh!

[therealtruth]

Patty Mills? When PG was available? PATFO lose by doing nothing.

[spurs1990]

Spurs have something up their sleeves. We're an hour in.

Mills is easily one of the best 'locker room' guys in this league. He took a paycut to resign and the Spurs owe him after his last shitty contract.

Secondarily 12.5m should be an easy contract to move in 2018-2020 summers anytime Spurs wanna make moves.

Welcome back Patty Mills. 2014 champion.

[playbonner15]

Not sold on this contract tbh. But I guess FO couldnt sign anyone better who wants to join the Spurs

[baseline bum]

Hopefully he doesn't hurt himself again and regret passing up all that money. What a fucking idiot, indeed.

Hopefully he does, and falls into Curry and takes out his knee on the way down.

[playbonner15]

Spurs have something up their sleeves. We're an hour in.

Mills is easily one of the best 'locker room' guys in this league. He took a paycut to resign and the Spurs owe him after his last shitty contract.

Secondarily 12.5m should be an easy contract to move in 2018-2020 summers anytime Spurs wanna make moves.

Welcome back Patty Mills. 2014 champion.

Still hoping there's some nice pieces that RC can add. But looks like the team is just gonna try to resign the old guys

[SuperCam]

Spurs have something up their sleeves. We're an hour in.

Mills is easily one of the best 'locker room' guys in this league. He took a paycut to resign and the Spurs owe him after his last shitty contract.

Secondarily 12.5m should be an easy contract to move in 2018-2020 summers anytime Spurs wanna make moves.

Welcome back Patty Mills. 2014 champion.

give me a cancer who shoots better than 41% average the last two playoffs than a lockerroom good guy midget who gets dominated on defense against even mediocre guards tbh

[Dverde]

That is a fair contract. I just thought the Spurs were going elsewhere with that money.

[140]

Man, spurs fans are some of the most ungrateful fans around tbh..

[Silver&Black]

Thank God I've been drinking. Gonna be pissed tomorrow morning though...

[MannyIsGod]

They should have found their balls and waited him out. And if someone else signs him, so what? They still have White and Murray and can add a Beno to hold over instead of wasting cap for 4 years.

This contract is never going to to hurt the Spurs capwise. Its not a bad cap deal at all.

[spurraider21]

spurs are done

[DPG21920]

I never thought the Spurs would trade Parker but if they resign Simmons, draft a PG, and resign Patty, then I think they actually might move Parker's contract. This move definitely makes that more possible.

I don't hate this signing. Mills has definite value, despite what people bitch about, and there are no veteran guards you're signing for cheap. People just don't understand that players are getting paid. In a day when stars get 40 million dollar contracts you're going to see role players get this type of deal.

Anyone know if the last year would be an option year?

Value is only value when it makes an impact. Buying 40 gallons of milk for $5 is great value but the milk will go bad before you can drink it anyways.

[MannyIsGod]

What a moron

I mean it sucks for everyone not a GSW fan but I respect the guy for wanting to win.

[MannyIsGod]

Value is only value when it makes an impact. Buying 40 gallons of milk for $5 is great value but the milk will go bad before you can drink it anyways.

Are you saying Mills doesn't have an impact because I really disagree there.

[AFBlue]

Value is only value when it makes an impact. Buying 40 gallons of milk for $5 is great value but the milk will go bad before you can drink it anyways.

The Spurs are savvy enough to make a buck or two back by reselling the last 10 gallons right before they sour.

[baseline bum]

I mean it sucks for everyone not a GSW fan but I respect the guy for wanting to win.

He only has $2 million guaranteed on the third year. His agent should be shot.

[Ice009]

Man I fucking love patty but the these moves arent making sense at all :lol they draft a combo guard who doesn't have much upside but is "ready-to-play" now, it was looking like Murray is gonna be given keys next season, and we give this fat paycheck to patty? Yeah the last contract was a discount but what the fuck is this shit

They're probably going to trade Dejounte with Aldridge for a worse player than Paul George. That would really make my day (not).

[DPG21920]

Mills is not a starting PG. I'm fine with the dollar amount but he beyond a shadow of a doubt proved he is not a starter.

At least he's an asset to move later but this seems more like a marriage of convenience than a smart move. TP injured, draft rookie guard and Murray raw. They needed a "pg" and while this helps them not take a step back for now this is deflating for moving forward*

*barrinf other moves painting better picture.

[DPG21920]

Are you saying Mills doesn't have an impact because I really disagree there.

He doesn't have an impact in the playoffs for title concerned teams.

[objective]

Spurs have something up their sleeves. We're an hour in.

Mills is easily one of the best 'locker room' guys in this league. He took a paycut to resign and the Spurs owe him after his last shitty contract.

Secondarily 12.5m should be an easy contract to move in 2018-2020 summers anytime Spurs wanna make moves.

Welcome back Patty Mills. 2014 champion.

He didn't take a paycut at all.

Nobody wanted him because of his bum shoulder, period. In fact, the Spurs gave him a gift contract because there was no guarantee his shot would ever come back.

And based on the second and beyond rounds of the playoffs since then, it never did.

This is just another bad loyalty deal like they gave Parker, they never learn

[MannyIsGod]

He doesn't have an impact in the playoffs for title concerned teams.

Disagree with this but don't disagree its not a step forward on its own. I agree pretty much with all of your previous post but I think he's worth the money they spent. This isn't what I wished for as my ideal move, but its also not something I feel is poor.

[FkLA]

He doesn't have an impact in the playoffs for title concerned teams.

What like superstar, consistent impact? He's had his share of good playoffs games along the bunch of bad ones. Pretty typical for a role player.

[DPG21920]

His contract in raw terms is actually reflective of his limitations. It's just that SA needs more than regular season minutes soakers.

[DPG21920]

What like superstar, consistent impact? He's had his share of good playoffs games along the bunch of bad ones. Pretty typical for a role player.

Problem is he's not a role player on this team. He's the best guard now on a 4 year deal and the highest paid.

[steeledl]

Spurs have something up their sleeves. We're an hour in.

Mills is easily one of the best 'locker room' guys in this league. He took a paycut to resign and the Spurs owe him after his last shitty contract.

Secondarily 12.5m should be an easy contract to move in 2018-2020 summers anytime Spurs wanna make moves.

Welcome back Patty Mills. 2014 champion.


This is really the best thing about the deal. If you think it through, we are buying him for next year and a potential asset next offseason. Much better than getting locked into an unmovable contract w/ someone like George Hill

[bklynspursfan]

Patty Mills? When PG was available? PATFO lose by doing nothing.

Uh, it wasn't like they could just sign PG like they did Patty.

Indy was apparently very picky in terms of what they wanted.

[DPG21920]

Boiled down, this is my take: Spurs either needed a solid pg upgrade or needed to hand keys to Murray and spend elsewhere.

Mills provides neither. He's excess that ultimately moves no needle when the needle needs to be moved.

[Down Under]

Good deal for best backup PG in league. Will be great backup to Dejounte

[DPG21920]

Uh, it wasn't like they could just sign PG like they did Patty.

Indy was apparently very picky in terms of what they wanted.

Have to disagree there :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Boiled down, this is my take: Spurs either needed a solid pg upgrade or needed to hand keys to Murray and spend elsewhere.

Mills provides neither. He's excess that ultimately moves no needle when the needle needs to be moved.

I feel this is them handing the keys to Murray but if Mills starts day one then I'll like this way less.

[HarlemHeat37]

Good deal for best backup PG in league. Will be great backup to Dejounte

You're forgetting somebody in the equation, my nigga:lol

[FkLA]

Boiled down, this is my take: Spurs either needed a solid pg upgrade or needed to hand keys to Murray and spend elsewhere.

Mills provides neither. He's excess that ultimately moves no needle when the needle needs to be moved.

Murray will still start imo. I don't think Mills was signed to be the starting PG. He was signed to be the 10+ PPG spark plug off the bench that hes always been.

[TimDunkem]

You're forgetting somebody in the equation, my nigga:lol
Exactly. Where the fuck does this leave TP? You know he isn't going quietly. Are the Spurs really going to pay him loyalty contracts to be the 3rd string PG? Or are they not sold on Murray? And White? I'm confused.

[Mugen]

He got 6th man money, I think Eric Gordon got around the same deal last year. Contract is pretty tradeable as well.

The contract is only terrible if they re-up Porky for stupid money next summer or they make Patty the starting PG of the future. Doubtful it's the latter but you never know about the former.

[DPG21920]

Murray will still start imo. I don't think Mills was signed to be the starting PG. He was signed to be the 10+ PPG spark plug off the bench that hes always been.

We will see. Even in that role, it's just a regular season minutes guy type deal. No matter his role, he's too one dimensional and too bad on defense to be playable.

If the Spurs were top heavy enough for that not to matter than it would be literally perfect; but they are not. Mills getting playoff minutes in any role vs any team that matters is a proven detriment.

I really like Mills too. His new deal is on the surface a great value. He's been a true Spur and great teammate. But it's just wasted money IMO and Spurs are still without a PG (even though I want Murray to start now) that can get the team into sets.

Spurs have LMA who doesn't want to be here, no PG that has proven they can start and now MORE money tied up in the same backcourt that once TP went down showed they can't really do anything without Kawhi carrying a MASSIVE load.

[Baam]

100 year old Manu will still be a better point guard that prime Mills. Saw it in the POs.

[DPG21920]

It's about relative value too. I would much rather have Teague at 20M than Mills at 12. Yes, one is a good "value" but one is clearly more of an upgrade from a starting PG perspective.

There is no reason to run back Mills, even if you are planning to trot Murray out there. The backcourt was simply not good enough last year and now it's more expensive and no better.

[dbreiden83080]

what the frickety fuck?!!! damn was hoping he was out

And you replace him with who? Tony is coming off surgery, and Chris Paul is not available anymore.

[objective]

He got 6th man money, I think Eric Gordon got around the same deal last year. Contract is pretty tradeable as well.

The contract is only terrible if they re-up Porky for stupid money next summer or they make Patty the starting PG of the future. Doubtful it's the latter but you never know about the former.

he's no 6th man. Eric Gordon played over 31 minutes a game in different lineups and roles, that's a 6th man

Patty is just an overpaid backup point guard who shot 22% from 3 against Golden State

[SAGirl]

That's a fucking lot of money locked up in the point guard spot, and those short-assed guys are still fodder to the best point guards in the league.
Awful feeling....

[DPG21920]

And you replace him with who? Tony is coming off surgery, and Chris Paul is not available anymore.

Just because there is no viable replacement doesn't mean you should bring back the thing that did not work for more money IMO.

That's like saying you bring back a wife that cheats on you because you don't think you can find another wife.

[TimDunkem]

Don't forget Tony is still coming back better than ever so he can get his next payday, people!

4 PGs. Tons of cash tied up between them all. Only one looks to have any promise in the future (White is still an unknown).

How exciting!

[DPG21920]

he's no 6th man. Eric Gordon played over 31 minutes a game in different lineups and roles, that's a 6th man

Patty is just an overpaid backup point guard who shot 22% from 3 against Golden State

It's not just GS he struggles against either. If that were the case, it would be totally fine. But Mills has to be assisted on damn near all of his points and does not have the size Gordon does on defense either (despite Mills always putting in supreme effort - no knock there)

[james evans]

we're fucked. I guess our free agency will consist of players in their 30s past their primes looking for 1 last pay day. Which is the norm. Someone doesn't know what the fuck they're doing..

[objective]

Wasting Kawhi's prime, it's a tragedy

[TimDunkem]

we're fucked. I guess our free agency will consist of players in their 30s past their primes looking for 1 last pay day. Which is the norm
You know Tony will be back looking for his next payday too. Hell, Manu is probably coming back for his this summer too.

[Ice009]

I pity the fool who signs Patty Mills.

[james evans]

I'm fine with this. He can play with Murray off the bench. However, trading Green while keeping Parker would be inexcusable.
why? neither one of them can play defense worth shit nowadays, but Parker can at least create his own shot

[FkLA]

It's not just GS he struggles against either. If that were the case, it would be totally fine. But Mills has to be assisted on damn near all of his points and does not have the size Gordon does on defense either (despite Mills always putting in supreme effort - no knock there)

He's a role player on a role player contract that plenty of solid bball guys (like Lowe) have called good value. I really don't get the outrage. The only issue I have with it is why draft White then. I was certain he was drafted to be Paddy's replacement.

[TimDunkem]

He's a role player on a role player contract that plenty of solid bball guys (like Lowe) have called good value. I really don't get the outrage. The only issue I have with it is why draft White then. I was certain he was drafted to be Paddy's replacement.
Maybe he's Simmons replacement at the 2...

[objective]

You just know they'll let Simmons walk on a 4/50 offer sheet but will stick with Mills

Ugh

[bklynspursfan]

Have to disagree there :lol

Haha .. well they knew what they wanted I guess. Cause surely they got better offers than what they got.

[Chris]

I like Patty. :tu He's terrific with kids and gets involved in the community. He's a true diplomat imo and a great teammate. Here's to 4 more years of that. :toast

[DPG21920]

He's a role player on a role player contract that plenty of solid bball guys (like Lowe) have called good value. I really don't get the outrage. The only issue I have with it is why draft White then. I was certain he was drafted to be Paddy's replacement.

The outrage is not directed towards Mills at all. It's what he represents.

So now SA has TP on the books (but injured).

Has Mills on the books (for a lot more money).

Has Murray on the books (no change)

Manu maybe retires and Simmons maybe gone (replaced by White & Hanga) .

In this scenario, a back court that we 100% know was no where near good enough is now worse by any objective measure (unless Murray leaps big time) is now more expensive.

If Murray leaps, that's great, but that is independent of paying more for a back court rotation that clearly was one of the bottom in the league.

[dbreiden83080]

Just because there is no viable replacement doesn't mean you should bring back the thing that did not work for more money IMO.

That's like saying you bring back a wife that cheats on you because you don't think you can find another wife.

Who are you replacing him with? You didn't answer that. Who is it? Our starting point guard right now is walking around with a crutches.

[SAGirl]

100 year old Manu will still be a better point guard that prime Mills. Saw it in the POs.
This.

[objective]

He's a role player on a role player contract that plenty of solid bball guys (like Lowe) have called good value. I really don't get the outrage. The only issue I have with it is why draft White then. I was certain he was drafted to be Paddy's replacement.

Lowe and others don't care if the Spurs are contenders, as far as they're concerned the Warriors are invincible. And with moves like this, they are. Lowe is not interested in whether the Spurs are better equipped to fight.

Without convincing answers to the question of how does this deal help beat the Warriors, it's a bad deal

[DPG21920]

Who are you replacing him with? You didn't answer that. Who is it? Our starting point guard right now is walking around with a crutches.

Forbes, the Spurs guy who they used their 1st round pick in White, another free agent on a one year deal? Many possilbities that don't require committing 4 years worth of money, even at a really good price.

[SAGirl]

You just know they'll let Simmons walk on a 4/50 offer sheet but will stick with Mills

Ugh
That would suck... and I was not a member of the JSimms fan club. (No hater either).

[DPG21920]

And look, even if SA brings back the same team as last year minus Manu/Lee/Dedmon they can still be really good. It's just that every deal the sign today hurts signing impact players down the road too (in a bubble, of course guys like Mills can be moved with their friendly contracts - however signing a friendly deal makes it less likely they are moved out of loyalty)

[TimDunkem]

The outrage is not directed towards Mills at all. It's what he represents.

So now SA has TP on the books (but injured).

Has Mills on the books (for a lot more money).

Has Murray on the books (no change)

Manu maybe retires and Simmons maybe gone (replaced by White & Hanga) .

In this scenario, a back court that we 100% know was no where near good enough is now worse by any objective measure (unless Murray leaps big time) is now more expensive.

If Murray leaps, that's great, but that is independent of paying more for a back court rotation that clearly was one of the bottom in the league.
Yep. My worst fears are coming true so far...Even if at good value, the Spurs are seemingly dishing out loyalty contracts to players they don't necessarily need and, in the process, hurting flexibility. This was why I was so pessimistic...

[objective]

Who are you replacing him with? You didn't answer that. Who is it? Our starting point guard right now is walking around with a crutches.

You don't think White or Forbes or any rando like Beno couldn't shoot 5/23 from 3 with crap defense against the Warriors?

Or 3/13 from 3 against OKC?

What is Mills doing in the playoffs that is so outstanding that he's necessary?

[FkLA]

The outrage is not directed towards Mills at all. It's what he represents.

So now SA has TP on the books (but injured).

Has Mills on the books (for a lot more money).

Has Murray on the books (no change)

Manu maybe retires and Simmons maybe gone (replaced by White & Hanga) .

In this scenario, a back court that we 100% know was no where near good enough is now worse by any objective measure (unless Murray leaps big time) is now more expensive.

If Murray leaps, that's great, but that is independent of paying more for a back court rotation that clearly was one of the bottom in the league.

Well, the real issue is TP if we're honest. DJ has nowhere to go but up and Paddy should continue to fulfill his spark plug role for the duration of his contract. I actually think things will fall into place with the PG situation though. I don't say it as a hater, but I think TP plays a minimal role once he gets healthy and isn't brought back for 18-19. It's Murray and Paddy's time, imo

[benfti]

Man, spurs fans are some of the most ungrateful fans around tbh.. this site is not an accurate representation of most Spurs fans

[TimDunkem]

You don't think White or Forbes or any rando like Beno couldn't shoot 5/23 from 3 with crap defense against the Warriors?

Or 3/13 from 3 against OKC?

What is Mills doing in the playoffs that is so outstanding that he's necessary?
My sentiments exactly. Mills defense, for example, was never good but he used to be scrappy - stealing inbounds, harassing guys, etc. He hardly even does that anymore, and his shooting has gone down in the playoffs. He's peaked. Why throw this contract at him? Might as well have signed a vet, or rolled with the young guys you have (one you just drafted). Seems like a waste of money.

[raybies]

And you replace him with who? Tony is coming off surgery, and Chris Paul is not available anymore.
Wouldn't replace him with anyone. Would rather use that money in the frontcourt. I'd roll the dice with Murray, White and Forbes until Parker came back.

[TimDunkem]

Well, the real issue is TP if we're honest. DJ has nowhere to go but up and Paddy should continue to fulfill his spark plug role for the duration of his contract. I actually think things will fall into place with the PG situation though. I don't say it as a hater, but I think TP plays a minimal role once he gets healthy and isn't brought back for 18-19. It's Murray and Paddy's time, imo
I can agree with you on this point. TP is redundant now.

[DPG21920]

Well, the real issue is TP if we're honest. DJ has nowhere to go but up and Paddy should continue to fulfill his spark plug role for the duration of his contract. I actually think things will fall into place with the PG situation though. I don't say it as a hater, but I think TP plays a minimal role once he gets healthy and isn't brought back for 18-19. It's Murray and Paddy's time, imo

If you take TP out of the equation, the guard rotation is still one of the worst in the nba. But again, more expensive.

Mills is only a spark plug when it doesnt matter. I mean, I guess I would buy the argument that regular season minutes soakers are valuable; I'm strictly talking about a playoff team though. He does no good in the playoffs and that is huge.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs overvalued character here.

Makes little sense to spend 50 million on a guy who cant play when it matters. Spurs dont need Mills to beat 90% of this league, yet Spurs need to sit him vs the other 10% of the league for them to have a real chance.

Why waste a 1st on a PG, when you intended to sign Mills? With Jordan Bell on board? Using a 1st on a 4th string PG smh. Okay you move White to the SG position to defend bigger guys and to have bigger guys defend him -- his effectiveness drops significantly

If they let Simmons walk, but give Mills this contract...ill be floored.

[FkLA]

Lowe and others don't care if the Spurs are contenders, as far as they're concerned the Warriors are invincible. And with moves like this, they are. Lowe is not interested in whether the Spurs are better equipped to fight.

Without convincing answers to the question of how does this deal help beat the Warriors, it's a bad deal

Not every move has to get you closer to the Warriors. This move provides continuity for a core that was pretty good. Ideally, Murray developing is what gets us closer to GS.

[DPG21920]

And if Murray truly leaps it makes much of this moot. Still seems like wasted money to me.

[DPG21920]

Not every move has to get you closer to the Warriors. This move provides continuity for a core that was pretty good. Ideally, Murray developing is what gets us closer to GS.

Internal improvement alone wont get you anywhere closer to GS. And yes, for a WCF team, the only thing that matters is beating GS.

[objective]

And here's the other thing:

Forget giving White a chance at point, EVER. It doesn't matter if Mills shoots 0% from 3 with no playmaking and shit defense, NO WAY HE'S SITTING WITH THAT CONTRACT

And to people who think he'll be some valuable trade asset ... How on Earth will that happen?

As trade ballast to get a deal done, maybe.

But otherwise ... The league is awash in point guards. And if 29+ year old Mills isn't hitting shots, how is he tradable? At all? With that bloated number, if he's not hitting, he's worthless.

He's not even useful as LMA's friend, to be an LMA-Whisperer, because he's sucked at that too going by there results.

[BillMc]

Gotta hand it to dabom, he said they'd keep Patty.

[BillMc]

Good for team culture with Manu, Tony and Timmy all likely absent from training camp.

[DPG21920]

Gotta hand it to dabom, he said they'd keep Patty.

I think most of us knew that with TP getting injured, Mills was likely to stay.

[objective]

Not every move has to get you closer to the Warriors. This move provides continuity for a core that was pretty good. Ideally, Murray developing is what gets us closer to GS.

Continuity for losing to the Warriors. Great.


And if Murray truly leaps it makes much of this moot. Still seems like wasted money to me.

If Murray leaps that doesn't make things better.

Then that's money that could have been spent elsewhere.

[spurraider21]

Good for team culture with Manu, Tony and Timmy all likely absent from training camp.
lets see if we can culture our way past the warriors

[FkLA]

If you take TP out of the equation, the guard rotation is still one of the worst in the nba. But again, more expensive.

Mills is only a spark plug when it doesnt matter. I mean, I guess I would buy the argument that regular season minutes soakers are valuable; I'm strictly talking about a playoff team though. He does no good in the playoffs and that is huge.

Well yeah it's more expensive but that's not saying much considering Paddy was massively underpaid the past three years. I also think it's very likely Murray is better than last regular season's TP.

Paddy isnt consistently good in the playoffs. He especially isn't good without Kawhi to play off of. That doesn't make him completely worthless in the postseason though. Again, he's had his share of good games in the postseason. Nothing out of the ordinary for a role player making role player money.

[DPG21920]

The only thing I can think of is that the moves SA wanted to make weren't possible (trading LA) and that they feel they were closer to GS than people would have you believe and they want to run it back with minor tweaks.

I even made that argument, but with all the LMA erosion talk I faded that feeling.

[spurraider21]

the raiders/spurs are always a yin/yang.

as the raiders are finally rising, the spurs are falling

[DPG21920]

Well yeah it's more expensive but that's not saying much considering Paddy was massively underpaid the past three years. I also think it's very likely Murray is better than last regular season's TP.

Paddy isnt consistently good in the playoffs. He especially isn't good without Kawhi to play off of. That doesn't make him completely worthless in the postseason though. Again, he's had his share of good games in the postseason. Nothing out of the ordinary for a role player making role player money.

If hes just a role player and those are pretty easy to find because its nothing out of the ordinary, why pay him more? Find a replacement like thy always do with Beli, Neal, etc..

[Ice009]

And look, even if SA brings back the same team as last year minus Manu/Lee/Dedmon they can still be really good. It's just that every deal the sign today hurts signing impact players down the road too (in a bubble, of course guys like Mills can be moved with their friendly contracts - however signing a friendly deal makes it less likely they are moved out of loyalty)

This contract is a Tony Parker loyalty like one. It's could be a good one to move next season onwards (maybe if teams still value him, depends what other PGs are out there too), but they'll never trade him, so that is why I didn't bother bringing that up as a positive. I thought about it as a positive contract to trade later on down the line, but the Spurs won't do that, so we're stuck with more dead weight and money on the team.

The Spurs have basically replaced the contract I thought they were going to get off the books with Parker at the end of next season with a new one exactly like it. Those of us that hated Parker the past two years for his contract, well guess what, we get 4 more years of that with this one from Mills.

Basically, it's a shit contract that doesn't help the team get closer to competing for the Championship.

I love Patty Mills, but I don't like him on a team looking to win it all (unless he's a cheap end of the bench spark plug).

[DPG21920]

What Im hoping is, is that SA brings back the same guard rotation for reasonable prices (including simmons, Mills already there now) and upgrades the front court.

If they can land Millsap or trade LMA for a PG and then use other money to upgrade, I would be good with that. The backcourt was not good enough but hand Murray the keys, keep cost down as much as possible and upgrade the front court.

Right now with no Lee/Dedmon and no TP, Spurs are literally worse everywhere (although it's obviously day 1 of FA and SA will fill Lee/ Dedmon holes).

Just think that an upgrade over LmA is needed. Or at least a talent upgrade else where.

[SAGirl]

I am with objective and Manu4tres in this one.

Also with dpg when he pointed out the Spurs backcourt had underperformed 2 postseason in a row (excepting Tony 's Indian summer against Memphis unlikely to be repeated now that he got a severe injury and is older.) And now they are just paying more and committing more years to the same mediocre crew. Only hope is for Dijons development but that is a huge gamble. He's till young and learning, his prime years are still far.
I don't know what role white plays moving on forward and even less Forbes.

[Solid D]

Where on Earth does White find minutes? What's his path, because I don't see one unfortunately.

With Tony out at least the first 2-3 months (or maybe longer) and Manu possibly retiring, there could be some opportunities to rotate White into the backcourt (Patty, Dejounte, and White - if he outplays Forbes). I think he has a chance if he can pick up the defensive rules. You may be correct, and he might be worse than Forbes, but it's preseason, so I'm still giving him a roster slot.

[jimbo]

we're trotting out the same tired old shitbags from 2014

[DPG21920]

With Tony out at least the first 2-3 months (or maybe longer) and Manu possibly retiring, there could be some opportunities to rotate White into the backcourt (Patty, Dejounte, and White - if he outplays Forbes). I think he has a chance if he can pick up the defensive rules. You may be correct, and he might be worse than Forbes, but it's preseason, so I'm still giving him a roster slot.

I have no issue drafting a PG because of exactly what you said. SA at a minimum is down one guard (TP due to injury) and could very well be down 3 with Manu retiring and Simmons getting signed else where.

[FkLA]

If hes just a role player and those are pretty easy to find because its nothing out of the ordinary, why pay him more? Find a replacement like thy always do with Beli, Neal, etc..

Wouldn't have been against that and was expecting that to be the case. Im not arguing that re-signing him was a must. All I'm saying is this doesn't make or break the team. The contract is at the very least fair value with the added bonus of him being a great locker room guy.

[SAGirl]

Gotta hand it to dabom, he said they'd keep Patty.
So did Chinook.
I thought the same at times, but I Hoped they didn't.

[TheGreatYacht]

Swear to god, would rather have Phil Jackson over Drunkford right now :lmao

Holy shit. The PJ Tucker interest seems legit after this faggot showed his cards and it's clear he isn't trying to win

[DPG21920]

Wouldn't have been against that and was expecting that to be the case. Im not arguing that it re-signing him was a must. All I'm saying is this doesn't make or break the team. The contract is at the very least fair value with the added bonus of being a great locker room guy.

I agree it does not make or break the team: have to see what else happens. It's just an odd start all the way around although with his cap hold, getting him to agree earlier was best case for maneuverability

[spurs10]

Mills is only a spark plug when it doesnt matter. I mean, I guess I would buy the argument that regular season minutes soakers are valuable; I'm strictly talking about a playoff team though. He does no good in the playoffs and that is huge. I remember sitting in the AT&T Center on June, 15 2014. It mattered.

[objective]

If the Spurs struck out on Paul and Jrue and Teague and thought Hill wanted too much ...

Just overpay Patty for one year, his cap hold is under 7 and you have full bird!

Give him 1 year 20 million! Or 1/22! As a 'thank you' for the service.

THEN if you still need him for whatever reason, give him a 3/30 declining. Just don't tie up Kawhi's prime like this! It's a crime!

[Ice009]

If the Spurs struck out on Paul and Jrue and Teague and thought Hill wanted too much ...

Just overpay Patty for one year, his cap hold is under 7 and you have full bird!

Give him 1 year 20 million! Or 1/22! As a 'thank you' for the service.

THEN if you still need him for whatever reason, give him a 3/30 declining. Just don't tie up Kawhi's prime like this! It's a crime!

Yeah, I would have been much, much better with them doing that. 1 year only would have been OK with me.

[SAGirl]

The only thing I can think of is that the moves SA wanted to make weren't possible (trading LA) and that they feel they were closer to GS than people would have you believe and they want to run it back with minor tweaks.

I even made that argument, but with all the LMA erosion talk I faded that feeling.
I really think we are down to plan B, bringing everyone back with some draft picks that will be in Austin most of the season... their plan A, the master plan didn't pan out when LMA/Danny couldn't be traded and LMA leaked thagt he wanted out.

[objective]

With Tony out at least the first 2-3 months (or maybe longer) and Manu possibly retiring, there could be some opportunities to rotate White into the backcourt (Patty, Dejounte, and White - if he outplays Forbes). I think he has a chance if he can pick up the defensive rules. You may be correct, and he might be worse than Forbes, but it's preseason, so I'm still giving him a roster slot.

Don't think I'm hating on him, I've come to be very high on him after watching every thing there is out there. I even have a hunch that he's a better shooter than Mills is right now. And playmaker. And defender. I became even higher on him when reflecting on his one year of major competition compared to how Simmons was also a late bloomer with only one year of major competition. Thinking of his skill development even at his age made me much more excited for White.

But if the Spurs do match on Simmons, and Manu or Hanga signs, ...

Where's the room on the floor?

Green-Manu-Simmons at the 2, Kawhi and Anderson at the 3, Murray and Mills at the 1 ...

It's over. No time other than spot garbage. And that's without Parker.

[jimbo]

I never thought the Spurs would trade Parker but if they resign Simmons, draft a PG, and resign Patty, then I think they actually might move Parker's contract. This move definitely makes that more possible.

I don't hate this signing. Mills has definite value, despite what people bitch about, and there are no veteran guards you're signing for cheap. People just don't understand that players are getting paid. In a day when stars get 40 million dollar contracts you're going to see role players get this type of deal.

Anyone know if the last year would be an option year?

Only way we're getting rid of Parker is if we waive and stretch him

[dabom]

I like Patty. :tu He's terrific with kids and gets involved in the community. He's a true diplomat imo and a great teammate. Here's to 4 more years of that. :toast

I'm surprised. :tu

[MaNu4Tres]

Don't think I'm hating on him, I've come to be very high on him after watching every thing there is out there. I even have a hunch that he's a better shooter than Mills is right now. And playmaker. And defender. I became even higher on him when reflecting on his one year of major competition compared to how Simmons was also a late bloomer with only one year of major competition. Thinking of his skill development even at his age made me much more excited for White.

But if the Spurs do match on Simmons, and Manu or Hanga signs, ...

Where's the room on the floor?

Green-Manu-Simmons at the 2, Kawhi and Anderson at the 3, Murray and Mills at the 1 ...

It's over. No time other than spot garbage. And that's without Parker.

Agree. Going with White/ vet min PG at back up PG would have been the best route imo.

Preserve optimal cap space moving forward & expedite the growth of Murray/ White -- both having higher ceiling than Patty.

With the recent Mills play, they may as well trade White for future 18' 1st tbh.

[Capt Bringdown]

Warms the heart to see a stellar playoff showing rewarded with a container ship full of cash.

[TheGreatYacht]

I remember sitting in the AT&T Center on June, 15 2014. It mattered.
That's going to be 4 years ago next season, buddy. Hate to break it to ya :lol talking about breaking... Pity Mills stopped being good once his shoulder went out

[TimDunkem]

Warms the heart to see a stellar playoff showing rewarded with a container ship full of cash.
You should join the Spurs. Maybe you'll shoot half as good as Patty at 10% and make 25 million dollars. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Pity Mills in the WCF (30.2MPG):
7.8ppg, 2.3rpg, 3.3apg, 1.5TO, 24.3FG%, 21.7 3P%

$50,000,000 :lmao
RC "Product of Duncan & Presti" Buford :lmao

[TimDunkem]

Pity Mills in the WCF (30.2MPG):
7.8ppg, 2.3rpg, 3.3apg, 1.5TO, 24.3FG%, 21.7 3P%

$50,000,000 :lmao
RC "Product of Duncan & Presti" Buford :lmao
Imagine where he'd be if we didn't luck out with Hill for Kawhi. :lmao

[objective]

Here's the dumb thing about people excusing the deal as 'role player money for a role player' or equivalent argument

It's not just 'role player' money.

He's now the highest paid backup point guard in the NBA by yearly average.

The only one close is Lin who was actually signed to be a starter and was last year but is now probably the back up to DeAngelo Russell. But who knows, maybe he does start? And at least he can run a pick and roll.

This is now one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

They even gifted a fourth year like the dumb Mozgov and Noah deals that were also struck at midnight.

[phxspurfan]

If the offseason goes south, the Spurs can always play 5-out alignments and let Kawhi do his thing every trip.

So we turn into LeBron/Westbrook/Harden teams with just one star and a bunch of shooters. One star who will be tired by game 50 of the season. And possibly struggle to win 50 games

[objective]

So Spurs spent a 1st round pick on a player that will be a defensive liability in a time where defense should be valued incredibly high, all because they are moving him to SG.

Then they double down, by giving 50 million to the one guy who cant play vs the Warriors, the one guy who cant defend anyone when it matters....OVER Simmons.... who was the difference maker when it mattered because of his versatility on defense.

If Simmons walks Spurs will be worse, even with a Murray leap. Perimeter defense is essential..and theyd be declining in that department if Simmons walks.

Should of drafted Bell & gave Simmons this money...what defense?

If they let Simmons walk, who was a big time defender, for Mills and his trash ...

Then screw this team.

[TimDunkem]

So we turn into LeBron/Westbrook/Harden teams with just one star and a bunch of shooters. One star who will be tired by game 50 of the season. And possibly struggle to win 50 games
Especially now with OKC and Houston guaranteed to win more games against us.

At least Kawhi will get his MVP since he'll clearly be carrying the team again? :lol

That's something, I guess.

[TheGreatYacht]

So we turn into LeBron/Westbrook/Harden teams with just one star and a bunch of shooters. One star who will be tired by game 50 of the season. And possibly struggle to win 50 games
Lebron has Kyrie, Harden has Paul, Westbrook has George.... Kawhi has Patty fucking Mills :lol

His ankle might never be the same with load PATFO are making him carry smdh

[MaNu4Tres]

If they let Simmons walk, who was a big time defender, for Mills and his trash ...

Then screw this team.

Culture ..tbh

[MaNu4Tres]

Imagine a Bell Kawhi Simmons DG Murray lineup..moving forward.

Or hell, a Bell KA Kawhi Green Simmons.

[timtonymanu]

Yeah don't even the need the rest of free agency play out to know it's gonna be another mediocre season.

:cry buh buh WCF appearance

Gonna be another season of Kawhi doing everything, maybe squeaking out almost 60 wins, WCF ceiling. Same as last year

[TimDunkem]

Lebron has Kyrie, Harden has Paul, Westbrook has George.... Kawhi has Patty fucking Mills :lol

His ankle might never be the same with load PATFO are making him carry smdh
Watch Kawhi, in a game where everyone else is struggling because they can't create their own shot, goes down with some knee injury because he had to play huge minutes carrying the team all year. :depressed

[Robz4000]

Yeah don't even the need the rest of free agency play out to know it's gonna be another mediocre season.

:cry buh buh WCF appearance

Gonna be another season of Kawhi doing everything, maybe squeaking out almost 60 wins, WCF ceiling. Same as last year

Spurs aren't making the WCF. Might not even get out of the first round with all the changes out West.

[timtonymanu]

Spurs aren't making the WCF. Might not even get out of the first round with all the changes out West.

True. This year's roster is on pace to be worse than last season. With Kawhi and Murray being the only players that grow.

[DenialTwist]

Watch Kawhi, in a game where everyone else is struggling because they can't create their own shot, goes down with some knee injury because he had to play huge minutes carrying the team all year. :depressed

This is the sad part. I don't blame Kawhi for leaving when his contract is up because the Spurs couldn't get him help.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs aren't making the WCF. Might not even get out of the first round with all the changes out West.
Watch a Spurs vs. Grizz circa 2011 first round type collapse against some team like the fucking T'Wolves happen because we only have one star out there while everyone else is a year older choking games.

[objective]

This is a crime against basketball.

Hell, Dellavedova only got 4/38 and at least can kind of play defense.

Everyone who thinks this deal isn't so bad or no big deal, you are in for a rude Awakening

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs betting on culture is really just betting on complacency. The same shit that stunted and delayed their growth after 2007 ( from 07-2011). Ill never forget the 07-08-09 offseasons

[TimDunkem]

Spurs betting on culture is really just betting on complacency. The same shit that stunted and delayed their growth after 2007 ( from 07-2011). Ill never forget the 07-08-09 offseasons
Mills is the new Bonner with his loyalty contract, lack of D, and disappearing act against good teams. Hey, at least he has corporate knowledge and is a good dude. :rolleyes :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Watch a Spurs vs. Grizz circa 2011 first round type collapse against some team like the fucking T'Wolves happen because we only have one star out there while everyone else is a year older choking games.
Towns, Butler, Wiggins all average more than 22ppg and they just got Jeff Teague

Their GM was literally on our staff 2 seasons ago as Buford's assistant. Spurs fucked up BIG time.

[TimDunkem]

Towns, Butler, Wiggins all average more than 22ppg and they just got Jeff Teague

Their GM was literally on our staff 2 seasons ago as Buford's assistant. Spurs fucked up BIG time.
And they're still not done. Thibbs is looking to make some more moves.

Meanwhile, we're calling Manu begging him to come back and waiting on TP to come back and steal Murray's minutes.

[objective]

Spurs aren't making the WCF. Might not even get out of the first round with all the changes out West.

100%

They're getting shat on by Golden State, Minnesota, Houston and OKC.

They're not looking to hot against Utah with Hayward or Portland.

Just a mess

[Ice009]

I am fucking mad. I fucking hate the Spurs FO.

[Robz4000]

100%

They're getting shat on by Golden State, Minnesota, Houston and OKC.

They're not looking to hot against Utah with Hayward or Portland.

Just a mess

Fuck, forgot about the Guests with Nurkic. This is ridiculous.

[TheGreatYacht]

Great to see there's smart individuals that won't take PATFO's shit anymore. Disgusting to see the casuals on twitter that still swallow RC's loads as if he does no wrong

[TimDunkem]

Great to see there's smart individuals that won't take PATFO's shit anymore. Disgusting to see the casuals on twitter that still swallow RC's loads as if he does no wrong
When a hipster in a fucking hot dog suit is fellating you, you might not be on the right track. :lmao

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[objective]

Eddie House getting 1.5x the MLE for 4 years ...

The Spurs status as contenders ended 7-1-17

[mudyez]

I love it!

[MI21]

I absolutely love Patty Mills, outside of being an Aussie, I still really like him... but in a role that suits him as a pure backup spark plug.

But it was time to move on and I absolutely fucking hate this deal. I don't really see how it can be taken any other way. Ugh.

[TimDunkem]

Fuck. When the Aussie hates this deal, you know it's bad. :lmao

[Ice009]

I absolutely love Patty Mills, outside of being an Aussie, I still really like him... but in a role that suits him as a pure backup spark plug.

But it was time to move on and I absolutely fucking hate this deal. I don't really see how it can be taken any other way. Ugh.

Good to see I'm not the only local that doesn't like it. I have no idea wtf the front office was thinking.

Again, I love Mills, but I have the opposite stance on this deal. I'm so sorry, Kawhi. Every other top team is reloading and the Spurs have done nothing for you.

[Slippy]

Nice one.

[024]

So spurs standing pat and blowing cap space in the process? Hopefully Simmons gets lured elsewhere.

Mills fills a need and provides stability with Parker and Ginolbili questionable. Not sure I like the deal though.

[duncan2150]

Imagine a Bell Kawhi Simmons DG Murray lineup..moving forward.

Or hell, a Bell KA Kawhi Green Simmons.

Man you're complaining but you think Bell will change the all spurs team i dont understand....

As a lot of peple i'm not fan of this signing, the deal is fair but imo we should have move on from patty who showed some limits during the PO.

[vander]

I'm stunned. And depressed. He's worth 8 mil/yr. max imo

[hooperflash]

Kawhi's fave gym buddy, tbh.

[ElNono]

Maybe it's a Malik Rose kind of thank you deal... now he has a large enough contract where you can trade for something of relatively good value. Just wait until he has his 2-3 weeks of hot shooting and sell high, imo...

[objective]

Hill's market is drying up. Minnesota is over. Sacramento and Dallas have point guards. Houston has Paul. Brooklyn has a point, Philly has one. New Orleans and Toronto are trying to get their guys and even if they fail, can't afford Hill.

Basically only New York can pay him ...

If they don't want to, he might go cheap. And make the Mills deal look even worse.

[objective]

Really, the margin for error is so small for being a true title contender in this Warriors environment ...

The Spurs had to either hit or roll space over and try to hit again next summer ...

But they're over.

They couldn't afford to fuck this up that badly.

But they have.

[TimDunkem]

I would've been glad had they added a placeholder vet at PG while upgrading at another spot. Instead they puke out another loyalty contract.

Well done, PATFO.

[benfti]

I absolutely love Patty Mills, outside of being an Aussie, I still really like him... but in a role that suits him as a pure backup spark plug.

But it was time to move on and I absolutely fucking hate this deal. I don't really see how it can be taken any other way. Ugh.

I actually like the deal, it makes both basketball and payroll sense. We felt what the market was like on guys like Hill and Lowry, nothing doing so we sign Patty to a under market value tradable contract, parkers contract comes of the books at the end of next season. Patty assumes the lead vet guard role while the two grommets continue to develop while Parker is healing. When Parker comes back if he isn't up to it or is slow to come on you still have a 9 year vet who is able to hold the fort. Next season we can move TP or he retires and we can move Patty back to back up behind which ever of the young guys has improved the most. That bench will be minus Manu so we keep the Spurs leadership in th second unit with Mills. By year three if mills is declining his deal becomes a tradable one for a team looking to absorb cash.

there was not one better option at point guard on the market for 12 million. Not one.

name one?

[Ice009]

Egregious contract. Egregious front office. Egregious everything.

Flagrantly bad.

[TimDunkem]

^^So now we have four PGs plus Manu and Forbes. Brilliant. :lol

[Ice009]

I actually like the deal, it makes both basketball and payroll sense. We felt what the market was like on guys like Hill and Lowry, nothing doing so we sign Patty to a under market value tradable contract, parkers contract comes of the books at the end of next season. Patty assumes the lead vet guard role while the two grommets continue to develop while Parker is healing. When Parker comes back if he isn't up to it or is slow to come on you still have a 9 year vet who is able to hold the fort. Next season we can move TP or he retires and we can move Patty back to back up behind which ever of the young guys has improved the most. That bench will be minus Manu so we keep the Spurs leadership in th second unit with Mills. By year three if mills is declining his deal becomes a tradable one for a team looking to absorb cash.

there was not one better option at point guard on the market for 12 million. Not one.

name one?

Don't sign him at all. That was the best option, or wait a see if you can get any of your other targets, if not, give him a big 1 year contract. I really don't know if he'd even be tradeable later on down the line.

[benfti]

Anyone who doesn't see that Mills actually took a discount on this deal is munted. He was projecting at 15-17 per according to Bobby Marks and co.