Dejounte or MVPatty is starting next year

[dabom]

:wow

I'm ready. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Class thread.

[dabom]

Class thread.

[SpursforSix]

:wow

I'm ready. :lol

It better be Murray or I'll start making dumb threads.

[dabom]

It better be Murray or I'll start making dumb threads.

Both players are good. I think Patty will get the nod tbh.

[SpursforSix]

Both players are good. I think Patty will get the nod tbh.

Yeah...that makes sense since he's worser. I'm just hoping that LMA and Parker shoot each other befoe the season starts.

[therealtruth]

I think you have to start Murray to allow him to develop just like with TP/Kawhi. Mills is a scorer of the bench. That's his ceiling.

[BackHome]

I would keep Mills at the bench threat and let Murray sink or swim as the PG..........the question will be White cause I think this kid is going to make a serious push to be starting PG as he is better suited to play with Kawhi.

[poop]

I think you have to start Murray to allow him to develop just like with TP/Kawhi. Mills is a scorer of the bench. That's his ceiling.

This.

[dabom]

I think you have to start Murray to allow him to develop just like with TP/Kawhi. Mills is a scorer of the bench. That's his ceiling.

Patty is still the best PG on the team by far. You have to earn the starting job.

[spurraider21]

too bad patty never did

[dabom]

too bad patty never did

He's earned it. Pop just never wanted to give it to him. Stop being a faggot. :lmao

[spurraider21]

He's earned it. Pop just never wanted to give it to him. Stop being a faggot. ;lmao
no he didn't... parker's injury is the only reason mills has a shot at it. and given the state of parker's play, that's not a compliment

[dabom]

no he didn't... parker's injury is the only reason mills has a shot at it. and given the state of parker's play, that's not a compliment

Please tell me how Porker is better? :lmao :lmao

[SpursforSix]

Patty is still the best PG on the team by far. You have to earn the starting job.

Mills can't drive, pass, or play D. Murray has a long way to go but he'd be a better starter than Mills.

[spurraider21]

Please tell me how Porker is better? :lmao :lmao
im saying mills didnt earn the starting gig. he only has a chance of starting because of parker's injury.

[dabom]

Mills can't drive, pass, or play D. Murray has a long way to go but he'd be a better starter than Mills.

Murray cant run the offense and is turnover prone and doesn't space the floor. And is not a good defender, yet.

And ZERO experience.

[SpursforSix]

Murray cant run the offense and is turnover prone and doesn't space the floor. And is not a good defender, yet.

And ZERO experience.

He's proven to be a fairly tough cover. And can play good D. Makes some mistakes but can hopefully learn from them. It's a long shot anyway but the only chance the Spurs have to advance in the playoffs is for Murray to step up. And if they don't advance, at least Murray gets some experience. Or the Spurs learn that he doesn't have what it takes. I'm OK with all of that. Playing Mills at PG is just treading water or sinking.

[dabom]

He's proven to be a fairly tough cover. And can play good D. Makes some mistakes but can hopefully learn from them. It's a long shot anyway but the only chance the Spurs have to advance in the playoffs is for Murray to step up. And if they don't advance, at least Murray gets some experience. Or the Spurs learn that he doesn't have what it takes. I'm OK with all of that. Playing Mills at PG is just treading water or sinking.

We're not staking our playoff run on a sophomore.

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray cant run the offense and is turnover prone and doesn't space the floor. And is not a good defender, yet.

And ZERO experience.
He's better than Mills at both of these things.

[dabom]

He's better than Mills at both of these things.

Fuck no. Did ou watch the playoffs. :lol

[SpursforSix]

We're not staking our playoff run on a sophomore.

We're not going anywhere unless something special happens. Better chance if Murray bringing the unexpected than Patty. Patty could play his best and it's still not enough.

[AFBlue]

Pop will play mad scientist with the lineups per usual to start the season. I expect they both get their fair share of starts, and I think the chemistry of the reserve unit will be as important as that of the starting one. No idea how to gauge it right now without knowing whether Simms and Ginobili are back.

[Chinook]

Green/Simmons may well determine this.

[SAGirl]

Green/Simmons may well determine this.

what do you mean?

[marinoman]

White

[SpursforSix]

what do you mean?

I'm gonna let Danny and Jon vote on who starts.

[SAGirl]

I'm gonna let Danny and Jon vote on who starts.

maybe I misunderstood. I will let Chinook explain what he meant... or not. It was confusing.

[mookie2001]

Roll call on anyone who saw Mills start in the playoffs, he failed. Mills is physically overmatched against everyone he goes against, he gets erased on everyday screens by every guard in the league, he blows 3 on 1 fastbreaks, he can't finish shit, he lays layups so high off the glass (because he's so tiny) that his layup % is below 40%


he's a shooter y no mas. Let's see Murray and White please

[TimDunkem]

Roll call on anyone who saw Mills start in the playoffs, he failed. Mills is physically overmatched against everyone he goes against, he gets erased on everyday screens by every guard in the league, he blows 3 on 1 fastbreaks, he can't finish shit, he lays layups so high off the glass (because he's so tiny) that his layup % is below 40%


he's a shooter y no mas. Let's see Murray and White please
Pretty much this. Spurs gave a loyalty contract to a career backup. Might has well have gone with a vet and saved the cash. :lol But det culture and chemistry tho'. :cry

[dabom]

People that don't watch Spurs basketball. :lmao

[mookie2001]

And yes when Mills gets picked he runs around the earth's equator to meet his man on the other side again, metaphorically.

[dabom]

Paty is one of the best impact players on the Spurs. Closes out all the games. "So bad" :lmao

[dabom]

This mookie faggot used to be a porker fluffer. :lol

[Chinook]

what do you mean?

If Danny stays, then Murray makes the most sense starting. If Simmons becomes the starting two-guard, Mills makes the most sense. Essentially, Murray and Simmons shouldn't be in the same unit, especially since the SF would either be Kawhi or Kyle, both of whom fit better with off-ball guys.

[BD24]

If Danny stays, then Murray makes the most sense starting. If Simmons becomes the starting two-guard, Mills makes the most sense. Essentially, Murray and Simmons shouldn't be in the same unit, especially since the SF would either be Kawhi or Kyle, both of whom fit better with off-ball guys.
The fact chinook had to explain that to SAgirl jesus :lol

For someone who post so fucking much you would think she would understand simple shit like that

[nyspurguy]

I really want Murray to start and play starters minutes. He is a real point guard too. Not a shooting guard trying to play the point. At 6'5 he can be a tough out. Yea he's gonna make mistakes, so Pop should loosen Dejounte's leash and put the kid out there and let him play. He could be the closest thing to an all-star caliber player (obviously besides Kawhi) we have this upcoming season. Heck, I think playing 30+ mins a game he could maybe do 17+6+6 at minimum. Working with Kawhi some this off season ain't bad either. So yeah, I wanna see Dejounte Murray as the starting point guard for the San Antonio Spurs.

[SpursforSix]

I'm gonna let Danny and Jon vote on who starts.


maybe I misunderstood. I will let Chinook explain what he meant... or not. It was confusing.

Whoops...I meant to put ":pop:" in front of my comment.

[dabom]

I really want Murray to start and play starters minutes. He is a real point guard too. Not a shooting guard trying to play the point. At 6'5 he can be a tough out. Yea he's gonna make mistakes, so Pop should loosen Dejounte's leash and put the kid out there and let him play. He could be the closest thing to an all-star caliber player (obviously besides Kawhi) we have this upcoming season. Heck, I think playing 30+ mins a game he could maybe do 17+6+6 at minimum. Working with Kawhi some this off season ain't bad either. So yeah, I wanna see Dejounte Murray as the starting point guard for the San Antonio Spurs.

:lol

[SAGirl]

If Danny stays, then Murray makes the most sense starting. If Simmons becomes the starting two-guard, Mills makes the most sense. Essentially, Murray and Simmons shouldn't be in the same unit, especially since the SF would either be Kawhi or Kyle, both of whom fit better with off-ball guys. Thanks, now I understand what you mean.

[SAGirl]

The fact chinook had to explain that to SAgirl jesus :lol For someone who post so fucking much you would think she would understand simple shit like that I didn't want to assume honestly. the fact you had to reply to that with this snarky comment shows you are an asshole. lol thanks for letting me know your quality.

[BSfromTX]

Dj will start. Kawhi will get more touches to start and patty will be needed to score for second unit. Pop always starts end of bench players (when starter is out) to preserve second unit scoring.... only reason manu came of the bench for so many years. Manu got way more usage without having to play with tony and Timmy much in the first half

[nyspurguy]

I'd like to see a starting 5 of Murray+Simmons+Leonard+Bertans+?...oh damn, we need a center. Guess Pau at the 5.

[nyspurguy]

Javale McGee looks good. Can we at least get him?

[sasaint]

Javale McGee looks good. Can we at least get him?

Maybe. It is amazing that the Dubs might actually prefer our castoff to their own center.

[nyspurguy]

Fuck it...get Rudy Gay, Javale McGee and trade Aldridge for a promising young player along with a somewhat bad contract player and call it a off season.

[sasaint]

Dj will start. Kawhi will get more touches to start and patty will be needed to score for second unit. Pop always starts end of bench players (when starter is out) to preserve second unit scoring.... only reason manu came of the bench for so many years. Manu got way more usage without having to play with tony and Timmy much in the first half

Good, clear explanation. Dijon should and will start.

[cutewizard]

Why are the Spurs so quiet lately.........??

[TimDunkem]

Why are the Spurs so quiet lately.........??
So they can keep cutewizard on his/her? toes.

[cd021]

I'd just go with Mills and have Murray come off then bench for 20-22 minutes a game. That is still plenty of minutes to allow for Murray to develop. I think Kawhi will be handling the ball more often this season so Mills makes sense starting and playing off ball.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Murray cant run the offense and is turnover prone and doesn't space the floor. And is not a good defender, yet.

And ZERO experience.

you described rookie/sophomore TP

[Snaq O'Meal]

Why are the Spurs so quiet lately.........??

Because RC is on vacation in LA.

[BD24]

I didn't want to assume honestly. the fact you had to reply to that with this snarky comment shows you are an asshole. lol thanks for letting me know your quality.
This whole forum is fucking ass holes. Even your hero chinook at times. It's what people come here to do. Now go flick the beam to a picture of Kyle or something

[SAGirl]

This whole forum is fucking ass holes. Even your hero chinook at times. It's what people come here to do. Now go flick the beam to a picture of Kyle or something

/ignore

[tim_duncan_fan]

We're not staking our playoff run on a sophomore.
We are staking a playoff run on 2 sophomores, a guy that should be 25 and 10 but doesn't care to be, and a SG who is either a 16ppg scorer or an 8ppg scorer and probably won't re-sign with us anyway.

Unless Murray, Bertans, or Simmons (if he even stays) blossoms into a just-below all-star player, we shouldn't even want to make the playoffs, frankly.

[TimDunkem]

Kawhi and Murray looking to be literally the only bright spots next year. Sad. Kawhi deserves better.

[DAF86]

Murray better start. His development is the only thing that can move this team forward.

[Ocotillo]

I forget which local news station had it but they were saying the that Murray after summer league is heading to San Diego to spend the summer practicing with Kawai. I hadn't seen that anywhere on here and just wanted to throw that in. His off season interviews on the local channels have been very positive since he is showing maturity and speaking out.

[DPG21920]

Mills would be fine for spot starts or maybe the first 20 games. Then the keys should go to Murray. First 20 games he gets a lot of minutes as the back up, gets to fine tune his game & then it's his.

Mills would be ok as a starter in the regular season but we know that's pointless ultimately and that Murray making a leap will be huge for this teams ceiling.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Roll call on anyone who saw Mills start in the playoffs, he failed. Mills is physically overmatched against everyone he goes against, he gets erased on everyday screens by every guard in the league, he blows 3 on 1 fastbreaks, he can't finish shit, he lays layups so high off the glass (because he's so tiny) that his layup % is below 40%


:lmao Where do you get this shit from?

His career shooting percentage within 3 feet of the basket is .632, which is better than Chris Paul's, John Wall's, etc.

[140]

:lmao Where do you get this shit from?

His career shooting percentage within 3 feet of the basket is .632, which is better than Chris Paul's, John Wall's, etc.
:lol porker fluffers

[mookie2001]

You trust Mills with layups? wow

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao Where do you get this shit from?

His career shooting percentage within 3 feet of the basket is .632, which is better than Chris Paul's, John Wall's, etc.

:lol that eye test, tbh..

[Chinook]

Mookie with the dookie post.

[mookie2001]

Don't tell me Mills is a good finisher now he's not.

[MultiTroll]

Got to get Dejonte acclimated with the starters especially Kawhi.
Agree that Patty is a better bench microwave then starter anyway.
Does the microwave still work? Sheesh I don't know it sure sputtered last year.

However until Dejonte get muscled up I'm fine with giving him entire games off on the regular.
Pretty radical switch from a 30 game high school schedule to pros.

[Laughing Gravy]

The Joint will start. PATFO will be getting a LOT of praise come mid-season because they didnt blow their wad in FA. Book it. Slap it up, flip it, rub it down.

[DPG21920]

Mills is not a finisher at all. Its very simple to look up not only the percentage of shots he actually takes in the paint (very low) and also how many are assisted (very high).

He's active and cuts and is fine in that role, but to say he's a finisher and citing his FG percentage without acknowledging he's very rarely in there and that when he is it's off a cut and pass/assist to finish is disingenuous to me.

[picnroll]

God help us then.

[TheGreatYacht]

God help us then.

[duncan2k5]

Murray needs to start...he has a higher ceiling than patty by far...we know how the season ends with patty...we jump started Parker's development, and that turned out to be the right decision

[dabom]

we know how the season ends with Kawhi.

Don't be a faggot. :lmao

[Ice009]

Murray needs to start...he has a higher ceiling than patty by far...we know how the season ends with patty...we jump started Parker's development, and that turned out to be the right decision

I liked a rookie Parker way more than I like even a second year Murray. Parker was much more ready to do that Murray is even now.

[DPG21920]

I liked a rookie Parker way more than I like even a second year Murray. Parker was much more ready to do that Murray is even now.

Well ya - TP is a HOF level PG and obviously more talented than Murray. But Murray can still be really good.

[Mr. Body]

I liked a rookie Parker way more than I like even a second year Murray. Parker was much more ready to do that Murray is even now.

I agree with this. Parker had much tighter handles, was far more under control, was more daring, had a better sense of the game. Parker still had a long way to go, but he very quickly made a name for himself in the league, enough that after the 2003 championship it was an open question whether Jason Kidd wasn't really the answer, since the team already had its PG of the future.

Murray has some talent, but most of that is in his length and quickness. He's like a rubber chicken out there, out of control and not knowing what to do.

[Ice009]

Basically, I just want to hammer the point home on those Murray fans, he's nowhere near a rookie Tony Parker. I'd kill for a rookie Tony Parker over Murray right now.

[Truth4sale$]

Parker was a professional in Europe for 3 years before coming over. Murray played 1 year of college ball. Let's not compare the two.

[sasaint]

Basically, I just want to hammer the point home on those Murray fans, he's nowhere near a rookie Tony Parker. I'd kill for a rookie Tony Parker over Murray right now.

I admit to being a big Murray fan, friend. I felt hammered enough by Dijon, himself, after this underwhelming performance. But it was only the first game of SL, so I will hold my breath and keep my fingers crossed.

[DPG21920]

I admit to being a big Murray fan, friend. I felt hammered enough by Dijon, himself, after this underwhelming performance. But it was only the first game of SL, so I will hold my breath and keep my fingers crossed.

I think a lot of us are really big Murray fans, but obviously there is concern because the guard rotation can't afford any setbacks.

However, I think what we know is despite his really great work ethic, he's not some generational talent (which is not a knock - few are). He's not SO good that he's just going to dominate any situation. Playing with a lot of bad players, new players for him, is going to make it somewhat tough. This is going to be a process with Murray and going to take time. When he's around other elite talents, I'm sure it will be easier.

[sasaint]

I think a lot of us are really big Murray fans, but obviously there is concern because the guard rotation can't afford any setbacks.

However, I think what we know is despite his really great work ethic, he's not some generational talent (which is not a knock - few are). He's not SO good that he's just going to dominate any situation. Playing with a lot of bad players, new players for him, is going to make it somewhat tough. This is going to be a process with Murray and going to take time. When he's around other elite talents, I'm sure it will be easier.

No, we cannot afford any setbacks or we may well fall into the middle of the playoff pack - or lower. Knowing of Pop's fondness for GHill, with him still dangling in free agency, I cannot shed the idea that PATFO might figure out a way to circle back and sign him. I would not be surprised. If we keep LMA there is not nearly the hole in the frontcourt. If we do not re-sign Simmons, we would be a short in the wings. But Dijon has some of the skills of Simmons... In short, I could see PATFO rationalizing an offer for Hill at some low (apparently market-value) figure, and giving him a raise when Tony comes off the books next season. Murray goes to the bench to assume a Manu-role, for which he may actually be better suited than PG. Not saying I want him, but I am saying I could see it happening.

[therealtruth]

I agree with this. Parker had much tighter handles, was far more under control, was more daring, had a better sense of the game. Parker still had a long way to go, but he very quickly made a name for himself in the league, enough that after the 2003 championship it was an open question whether Jason Kidd wasn't really the answer, since the team already had its PG of the future.

Murray has some talent, but most of that is in his length and quickness. He's like a rubber chicken out there, out of control and not knowing what to do.

Speedy Claxton had to bail him out in the 2003 Finals. I think that's part of why they really wanted JKidd.

[Brazil]

Haynes said earlier that Murray and Parker have a lot in common. They see Murray as a player capable to run the offense ala parker i.e finding the balance between creating for himself and for the others constantly taking the decisions on the offense.

I believe they see Murray as a potential starter

[DPG21920]

Haynes said earlier that Murray and Parker have a lot in common. They see Murray as a player capable to run the offense ala parker i.e finding the balance between creating for himself and for the others constantly taking the decisions on the offense.

I believe they see Murray as a potential starter

The difference is TP was an ELITE finisher at the rim and Murray is no where close to that at this point. That one skill alone is a massive difference between him and TP. TP had to find the balance because he could easily create high percentage looks for himself off of his elite penetration.

Murray has to be able to score before he has to decide between calling his own number and passing.

[therealtruth]

The difference is TP was an ELITE finisher at the rim and Murray is no where close to that at this point. That one skill alone is a massive difference between him and TP. TP had to find the balance because he could easily create high percentage looks for himself off of his elite penetration.

Murray has to be able to score before he has to decide between calling his own number and passing.

Good point but Murray has the higher ceiling. He can get better at finishing and on his jumpshot. But already he's a better rebounder/defender than TP.

[BackHome]

White will be starting

[cd98]

Yuck to either of them as a starting PG. Sad that our only hope is TP can comeback in Pre-injury form and not overweight. Basically, we're screwed.

And people are too high on Murray. He hasn't played PG well at all. He's scored ok in a few games, but the only potential he has shown is in his measurements for height and wingspan.

[BackHome]

I am kinda thinking that White is going to take point and Murray is going to take time at SG

[tholdren]

Well ya - TP is a HOF level PG and obviously more talented than Murray. But Murray can still be really good.

Murray couldnt even dribble the ball up the court in the playoffs. That is how fundamentally unsound the league is. Pathetic

[KDKSpurs24]

Murray couldnt even dribble the ball up the court in the playoffs. That is how fundamentally unsound the league is. Pathetic
:wakeup

[DPG21920]

Good point but Murray has the higher ceiling. He can get better at finishing and on his jumpshot. But already he's a better rebounder/defender than TP.

Let's just agree to disagree there. Don't think he has a higher ceiling at all. Even if things go really well, I don't think he has a higher ceiling.

[SpursforSix]

Let's just agree to disagree there. Don't think he has a higher ceiling at all. Even if things go really well, I don't think he has a higher ceiling.

I don't get that at all. We've seen what Mills can and can't do. He's has enough time in the league to show what he is. He's not going to be able play great defense or run an offense. Murrray at his best right now is more effective than Mills. If he gets any better at all, he's better than Mills. Your point of view is saying that Murray is basically not going to be an NBA caliber PG.

[dabom]

I don't get that at all. We've seen what Mills can and can't do. He's has enough time in the league to show what he is. He's not going to be able play great defense or run an offense. Murrray at his best right now is more effective than Mills. If he gets any better at all, he's better than Mills. Your point of view is saying that Murray is basically not going to be an NBA caliber PG.

:lol

[Brazil]

The difference is TP was an ELITE finisher at the rim and Murray is no where close to that at this point. That one skill alone is a massive difference between him and TP. TP had to find the balance because he could easily create high percentage looks for himself off of his elite penetration.

Murray has to be able to score before he has to decide between calling his own number and passing.

it's a don't shoot the messenger situation here tbh...

I agree with you I'm not sure comparaison is good (parker was already extremely good near the rim when he was drafted) but that's what FO is thinking about the kid. They see a bit of Parker on him. I wish they are right

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray is like 2-20 in the summer league & Mills must've shot that against Golden State in the WCF....

Spurs still depending on a 35yr old post-quad tendon surgery Parker smh

[picnroll]

White starts.

[Birn]

In order for Murray to take his game to the next level he needs to develop a consistent and reliable jumper. If he can't do that he'll be out of the league after his rookie contract ends. White will be competing for minutes with him.

[ceperez]

Going to take a miracle for Murray to improve his game in the summer.

Smart, Bradley and Crowder are on trading block, any one of them is better than Murray.

[Birn]

Going to take a miracle for Murray to improve his game in the summer.

Smart, Bradley and Crowder are on trading block, any one of them is better than Murray.

My gosh, that isn't even close. Murray will need to spend a lot of time in the G league this year. He also needs to get stronger and more physical. He's way to skinny to handle the physicality of opposing defenders. He needs to gain about 15 to 20 pounds of muscle and that will take about a year for him to do that. He barely weighs 170 pounds and is 6'5".

[cd98]

It's funny how many people here were saying Murray should be starting over Parker. He's looked like a bust through 2 games in summer league and I thought he mostly sucked last year but for a few games where he actually finished his layups and made a jumper or two.

[SuperCam]

not four days ago spurfan in offseason thread calling dej0-10nte untouchable. :lol

[cd98]

not four days ago spurfan in offseason thread calling dej0-10te untouchable. :lol

Yep, couldn't include him in a trade for Paul George.

[tonight...you]

Derrick

[tonight...you]

White

[TheGreatYacht]

not four days ago spurfan in offseason thread calling dej0-10nte untouchable. :lol
:lmao

[tonight...you]

:lmao
So you no rikey Dejounte? On the official?

[Mikeanaro]

It's funny how many people here were saying Murray should be starting over Parker. He's looked like a bust through 2 games in summer league and I thought he mostly sucked last year but for a few games where he actually finished his layups and made a jumper or two.
And Porker had his 0 point games too, I think players should not be judged on a daily basis because that way you have a GOD/BUM/GOD/BUM on the same week.

[Play Boban]

:lol Murray :lol

[cd98]

And Porker had his 0 point games too, I think players should not be judged on a daily basis because that way you have a GOD/BUM/GOD/BUM on the same week.

Parker was better as a rookie and it wasn't even close. Murray exposing all his fawners.

[DPG21920]

Parker was better as a rookie and it wasn't even close. Murray exposing all his fawners.

Pump 'em. Murray played well against actual nba teams so don't forget that. Yes, he's struggling in SL, but he has not exposed anything other than he still needs work.

[Mikeanaro]

Parker was better as a rookie and it wasn't even close. Murray exposing all his fawners.
We dont know yet, Kawhi was not the beast he is now when he was a rook, he was going to be like the next Bowen and that´s it.
With that kind of concepts we can affirm Forbes is a basketball god and not just a fancy millionaire.

[cd98]

We dont know yet, Kawhi was not the beast he is now when he was a rook, he was going to be like the next Bowen and that´s it.
With that kind of concepts we can affirm Forbes is a basketball god and not just a fancy millionaire.

Kawhi was a stud as a rookie. Maybe you didn't know he'd be the best player in the league, but it was clear he was special. Murray was eh. Sure he had like 3 or 4 good games, but he's never looked like a good point guard. He just had a few games where his broken jumper got a few to fall and finished some of the layups, but he's been a meh finisher. His potential is tied to wingspan and height.

Maybe he gets better, but he's not going to be a great starter next year if he beats out White, who has looked better. Mills will probably keep 6th man role.

[dabom]

Murray does have a little "wow" factor. Can't be denied. Anyone saying otherwise is fucking retarded. :lol

[cd98]

We dont know yet, Kawhi was not the beast he is now when he was a rook, he was going to be like the next Bowen and that´s it.
With that kind of concepts we can affirm Forbes is a basketball god and not just a fancy millionaire.

I do agree with Forbes. I don't know what he is, but his shooting is NBA elite and he belongs on the roster even if he can't defend, dribble, or pass. He is the best shooter I've seen on the Spurs since DG could shoot.

[spursistan]

When: April 18th, 2018

Where: Target Center, Minneapolis/ Game One 1st Round of the Western Conference Playoffs

Who: starting point guard for the 5th seed San Antonio Spurs (54-28) : William Anthony Parker Jr. from Bruges, Belguim..

[dabom]

When: April 18th, 2018

Where: Target Center, Minneapolis/ Game One 1st Round of the Western Conference Playoffs

Who: starting point guard for the 5th seed San Antonio Spurs (54-48) : William Anthony Parker Jr. from Bruges, Belguim..

Such a shitty take. Don't do takes anymore. Just post tweets.

[houston spurs fan]

When: April 18th, 2018

Where: Target Center, Minneapolis/ Game One 1st Round of the Western Conference Playoffs

Who: starting point guard for the 5th seed San Antonio Spurs (54-28) : William Anthony Parker Jr. from Bruges, Belguim..
We are playing 102 games this year?

[spursistan]

Such a shitty take. Don't do takes anymore. Just post tweets.
Take Murray off your Avi..You're jinxing everything faggot :lol..

"Kawhi healed ankle":lmao

"Welcome to SA, CP3" :lmao

[dabom]

Take Murray off your Avi..You're jinxing everything faggot :lol..

Sure, Patty making 50 mil and plays for the Spurs. :lmao :lol

[jermaine]

Forbes will not last... I want him to, but he won't. Murray isn't ready, while White looks to be just playing himself into being the starting game manager. Murray will be D League MVP though!!! All those IG pics, he should've been more focused on practicing verses taking pics to post! He seems like he's gotten worse. Gm 1, I was like I'm giving him a chance. After this gm, he needs to do better. An quit that bullshit floater..

[MultiTroll]

Forbes.......he belongs on the roster even if he can't defend, dribble, or pass. He is the best shooter I've seen on the Spurs since DG could shoot.
Could you kindly explain how this helps a team?

Unless he is shooting TS 65% against playoff level defensive competition, it is a net minus.
Open gym shooting Matty Bonner was a YMCA legend.

[Vic Petro]

We are playing 102 games this year?

:lol

[DPG21920]

Take Murray off your Avi..You're jinxing everything :lol..

"Kawhi healed ankle":lmao

"Welcome to SA, CP3" :lmao

:lol So true.

[HarlemHeat37]

Hopefully we see a lot of Kawhi-Green-Simmons next season, tbh:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Take Murray off your Avi..You're jinxing everything faggot :lol..

"Kawhi healed ankle":lmao

"Welcome to SA, CP3" :lmao
:lmao

[eDizzle20]

The point guard position for this team is worrisome. As Steve Kerr said last season, this team relies too much on Kawhi. I believe the Spurs should kick the tires on Derrick Rose despite his red flags. At this point no one has pulled the trigger on him probably for those exact reasons. Maybe he'll take a 1-year deal.

[steeledl]

The point guard position for this team is worrisome. As Steve Kerr said last season, this team relies too much on Kawhi. I believe the Spurs should kick the tires on Derrick Rose despite his red flags. At this point no one has pulled the trigger on him probably for those exact reasons. Maybe he'll take a 1-year deal.

Id be down for that. In a year we have no chance to ring... it could be fun having Rose on the squad.

[TheDoctor]

Sure, Patty making 50 mil and plays for the Spurs. :lmao :lol

Dude you even jinxed Pity when you had him on your Avi. That mf was so bad that he couldn't put his own balls on his girlfriend's basket this Post-Season.

The worst part is that the jinx didn't end there, that fcking jinx was so strong that even jinxed us all when RC Drunkford signed Fatty for 50M

:hang

[tbdog]

Could you kindly explain how this helps a team?

Unless he is shooting TS 65% against playoff level defensive competition, it is a net minus.
Open gym shooting Matty Bonner was a YMCA legend.

Because he is very cheap and can shoot.

[houston spurs fan]

Hopefully we see a lot of Kawhi-Green-Simmons next season, tbh:lol
Great take

[tmtcsc]

If those are the only two options - Patty. Murray needs to earn his minutes, his summer league performances have been brutal so far.

[ceperez]

If those are the only two options - Patty. Murray needs to earn his minutes, his summer league performances have been brutal so far.

Murray may have a problem in that he doesn't want to become second fiddle to someone else.

With White showing that he can run the show all by himself, Murray decided that he needed to score too! Maybe, he should stop think that he's a good offensive player (no evidence of this yet), but rather a Beverly or even a Tony Allen player. You know, the guy who just takes pride in defense and can barely shoot.

[CGD]

Love all these 5'6" 286 lbs keyboard warriors from San An in here calling Patty, "Fatty" Mills just because he got a reasonable market rate deal. Lol.

[Clipper Nation]

When: April 18th, 2018

Where: Target Center, Minneapolis/ Game One 1st Round of the Western Conference Playoffs

Who: starting point guard for the 5th seed San Antonio Spurs (54-28) : William Anthony Parker Jr. from Bruges, Belguim..
Result: Wolves in 5

[tmtcsc]

Murray may have a problem in that he doesn't want to become second fiddle to someone else.

With White showing that he can run the show all by himself, Murray decided that he needed to score too! Maybe, he should stop think that he's a good offensive player (no evidence of this yet), but rather a Beverly or even a Tony Allen player. You know, the guy who just takes pride in defense and can barely shoot.

Yes, that would be a problem. The NBA is filled with stories of players who were physically gifted, had tons of potential but didn't make it. I hope Murray isn't one of them. He's very immature and plays like a wilding. Patrick Beverly ate his lunch and flat out bullied him in the playoffs.

[ceperez]

Yes, that would be a problem. The NBA is filled with stories of players who were physically gifted, had tons of potential but didn't make it. I hope Murray isn't one of them. He's very immature and plays like a wilding. Patrick Beverly ate his lunch and flat out bullied him in the playoffs.

You pointed out another problem, his weight.

Spurs gambled on this 29th pick. Let's hope by training with Kawhi he can improve his game.

He has a ton of stuff to work on!

[look_at_g_shred]

I don't understand the murray hate because of a couple of bad SL games. Fucking kyle Anderson was SL MVP and did that really translate to the NBA? Give me a break..kid is going to be special when he figures it out. He's got one of the quickest first steps in the league. Once, he builds some muscle and starts finishing at the rim, he's going to look like a whole new player.

[picnroll]

Screw working out with Kawhi. Send him to Germany and load him up with PEDs.

[duncan2k5]

We are evaluating rookie Murray who hardly played to a rookie Parker who we saw a whole lot of because he was given the opportunity to play through mistakes and actually learn the NBA game...but Murray is unquestionably more of a gifted raw talent than parker, and has more defensive upside

[duncan2k5]

And Porker had his 0 point games too, I think players should not be judged on a daily basis because that way you have a GOD/BUM/GOD/BUM on the same week.

[duncan2k5]

Yes, that would be a problem. The NBA is filled with stories of players who were physically gifted, had tons of potential but didn't make it. I hope Murray isn't one of them. He's very immature and plays like a wilding. Patrick Beverly ate his lunch and flat out bullied him in the playoffs.

For ONE half...he had no probs with Beverly after that...and bev is a top 3 pg defender...but you see once he learned his tendencies, he was able to get the best of him...but u completely ignore that to push a narrative

[ceperez]

I don't understand the murray hate because of a couple of bad SL games. Fucking kyle Anderson was SL MVP and did that really translate to the NBA? Give me a break..kid is going to be special when he figures it out. He's got one of the quickest first steps in the league. Once, he builds some muscle and starts finishing at the rim, he's going to look like a whole new player.

If KA was dominant in the SL and Murray can barely make a basket, then what the hell does that tell you about Murray's talent?

[DPG21920]

For ONE half...he had no probs with Beverly after that...and bev is a top 3 pg defender...but you see once he learned his tendencies, he was able to get the best of him...but u completely ignore that to push a narrative

You talking about pushing a narrative is one of the funniest things I've read in a while (TP narrative, Danny Green narrative)

[duncan2k5]

You talking about pushing a narrative is one of the funniest things I've read in a while (TP narrative, Danny Green narrative)

Mine are based on fact...u said beg destroyed him made it seem as if it was the entire series, when it was one half

[look_at_g_shred]

If KA was dominant in the SL and Murray can barely make a basket, then what the hell does that tell you about Murray's talent?
SL performance doesn't mean shit is what i'm saying. Let me guess, you were the one calling Duncan a bust when he was getting embarrassed by the likes of greg ostertag in Summer League.

[tmtcsc]

For ONE half...he had no probs with Beverly after that...and bev is a top 3 pg defender...but you see once he learned his tendencies, he was able to get the best of him...but u completely ignore that to push a narrative

What?!? Beverly backed off..mercifully it seemed. Mills went right back to starting soon after too.

[dbestpro]

Murray will start and get his chance to prove he is ready or not. The comments on 19 year old Murray are quite similar to Simmons, and even George Hill when he first started out so I expect he is going to end up pretty good.

[DPG21920]

Mine are based on fact...u said beg destroyed him made it seem as if it was the entire series, when it was one half

:lmao Fact. "Danny is a bad defender" - You. Fact: Danny made All NBA Team Defense

[picnroll]

We are evaluating rookie Murray who hardly played to a rookie Parker who we saw a whole lot of because he was given the opportunity to play through mistakes and actually learn the NBA game...but Murray is unquestionably more of a gifted raw talent than parker, and has more defensive upside

Check out what Parker's play in his first summer league. There was a reason teams wanted to trade for him then.

[Chinook]

Parker was at least as physically gifted as Murray. Dude was fast as fuck, which is ordinarily that big of a deal, but Parker knew how to use his elite speed to score. Murray doesn't know how to use his anything to anything yet.

[picnroll]

Right off the bat and for years Parker was the fastest player in the league. Relatively early on Parker could score at the basket at a higher percentage than almost anybody, including bigs. At this point it looks like it'll take a miracle for Murray to have a career like Parker's.

[Clipper Nation]

Right off the bat and for years Parker was the fastest player in the league.

I'm guessing you meant to say he was the fattest player in the league.

[cd98]

Right off the bat and for years Parker was the fastest player in the league. Relatively early on Parker could score at the basket at a higher percentage than almost anybody, including bigs. At this point it looks like it'll take a miracle for Murray to have a career like Parker's.

I remember in his 1st or 2nd year, he and Kobe were chasing the same loose ball. Parker beat Kobe significantly and then beat him down court for a layup. It was amazing given Kobe's speed and length.

[Russ]

I'm guessing you meant to say he was the fattest player in the league.

No, I think that was ex-Clipper John "Hot Plate" Williams.

[SpursforSix]

Parker was at least as physically gifted as Murray. Dude was fast as fuck, which is ordinarily that big of a deal, but Parker knew how to use his elite speed to score. Murray doesn't know how to use his anything to anything yet.

I'm not saying Murray is going to be close to Parker. But Parker coming into the NBA a lot more experience and probably a lot more games under his belt.

[Chinook]

I'm not saying Murray is going to be close to Parker. But Parker coming into the NBA a lot more experience and probably a lot more games under his belt.

And had better physical tools. All Murray has is length. He might have vertical too.

[SpursforSix]

And had better physical tools. All Murray has is length. He might have vertical too.

Right. I don't think it's fair to compare the two. I would like to see Murray work on his handles like Parker obviously did early on. While he's not Parker, he does seem very quick.

[cd98]

And had better physical tools. All Murray has is length. He might have vertical too.

I don't know that he has vertical or explosiveness as all of his finish attempts are runners.

[SAGirl]

And had better physical tools. All Murray has is length. He might have vertical too.

and he has size/taller
but he doesn't have the same skill that is for sure.

the thing is if he acquires skill, he will definitely look like a steal, but if he doesn't acquire it? It's going to get ugly. Guys are going nuts here like he already has added the skill and he hasn't.

He's too young to be proclaiming anything, either on the all star or bust level. He is still improving so basically we don't know yet. At least that is what I am telling myself.

[SAGirl]

Right. I don't think it's fair to compare the two. I would like to see Murray work on his handles like Parker obviously did early on. While he's not Parker, he does seem very quick.

He has a very quick first step and on top of that long strides.

[Russ]

Right. I don't think it's fair to compare the two. I would like to see Murray work on his handles like Parker obviously did early on. While he's not Parker, he does seem very quick.

In Murray's defense, he compares reasonably well with TP, although TP was better at age 19.

Murray has quicker hands than TP and obviously is bigger (or at least taller).

They both penetrate very well although TP gets to the rim and, therefore, finishes better, whereas Murray penetrates but can't get to the rim because he can't go under bigs the way TP can -- therefore he ends up shooting wild high off the glass bank shots.

I think this can be corrected but it's no certainty that it will be -- if not, it could greatly inhibit Murray as an NBA player. If Murray learns to consistently finish, the sky is the limit.

Murray's a better passer than TP (and TP is a very good passer). He has much greater defensive potential than TP.

Murray's abysmal finishing seems to have gotten into his head. He tends to get discouraged which he'll have to conquer. People complain that Murray is playing "hero ball" but I think the bigger problem for him is the opposite, he's become too hesitant -- he's letting his poor finishing affect his confidence. As a result, he sometimes stands stationary on the perimeter before either passing or driving (or even beginning to dribble). That he cannot do if he wishes to be succeed.

All in all, I'd say Murray has the potential to be a plus point guard in the NBA but it is by no means a certainty.

[picnroll]

Parker has the full arsenal in the paint, outstanding footwork with scoop shots, step throughs, spin moves, etc. That, his speed, the fact he can get into the defenders body and that he has/had a quick, compact floater account for his success in the paint. Murray doesn't have those skills developed. He relies on this high raindrop floater which looks cool when it goes in just doesn't go in with nearly enough reliability.

[Mikeanaro]

Parker has the full arsenal in the paint, outstanding footwork with scoop shots, step throughs, spin moves, etc. That, his speed, the fact he can get into the defenders body and that he has/had a quick, compact floater account for his success in the paint. Murray doesn't have those skills developed. He relies on this high raindrop floater which looks cool when it goes in just doesn't go in with nearly enough reliability.
Porker had an horrendous shooting % and played with Prime Duncan and Ginobili Bowen Horry, as I said before, you cant have a daily opinion on a player, where was you when Murray was dropping 24 points during regular season? His arsenal in the paint was lame, I remember 2011 and 2012.
Why there was a Speedy Claxton saving the day?
Jonathon Simmons had pretty shitty SL games too, and look how he played in the playoffs.

[cd98]

In Murray's defense, he compares reasonably well with TP, although TP was better at age 19.

Murray has quicker hands than TP and obviously is bigger (or at least taller).

They both penetrate very well although TP gets to the rim and, therefore, finishes better, whereas Murray penetrates but can't get to the rim because he can't go under bigs the way TP can -- therefore he ends up shooting wild high off the glass bank shots.

I think this can be corrected but it's no certainty that it will be -- if not, it could greatly inhibit Murray as an NBA player. If Murray learns to consistently finish, the sky is the limit.

Murray's a better passer than TP (and TP is a very good passer). He has much greater defensive potential than TP.

Murray's abysmal finishing seems to have gotten into his head. He tends to get discouraged which he'll have to conquer. People complain that Murray is playing "hero ball" but I think the bigger problem for him is the opposite, he's become too hesitant -- he's letting his poor finishing affect his confidence. As a result, he sometimes stands stationary on the perimeter before either passing or driving (or even beginning to dribble). That he cannot do if he wishes to be succeed.

All in all, I'd say Murray has the potential to be a plus point guard in the NBA but it is by no means a certainty.

Naw, Murray is a turnover machine. Parker never was. Parker was a great finisher, but a lot of that was his elite speed. Murray isn't nearly as fast and he isn't explosive near the rim. Also, Parker always had good handles, though that was aided by being shorter and faster such that it's hard to steal from him. Murray's wingspan helps him on defense and rebounding, but seems to hurt dribbling against smaller guards that can get into him.

[cd98]

Porker had an horrendous shooting % and played with Prime Duncan and Ginobili Bowen Horry, as I said before, you cant have a daily opinion on a player, where was you when Murray was dropping 24 points during regular season? His arsenal in the paint was lame, I remember 2011 and 2012.
Why there was a Speedy Claxton saving the day?
Jonathon Simmons had pretty shitty SL games too, and look how he played in the playoffs.

WTH? Parker consistently led all guards and was like top 5 in the entire NBA in FG % in his prime. He ranks historically among the best guards in FG%. Murray had a 24 point game. Clap. Lots of mediocre talents do that during the regular season. Call me when he averages 20 points. Just stop. Parker is a HOF. Murray is not on his level.

[Mikeanaro]

WTH? Parker consistently led all guards and was like top 5 in the entire NBA in FG % in his prime. He ranks historically among the best guards in FG%. Murray had a 24 point game. Clap. Lots of mediocre talents do that during the regular season. Call me when he averages 20 points. Just stop. Parker is a HOF. Murray is not on his level.
Top 5? You had lots of great players during that era and you think he was top 5? Nowitsky Garnett, Duncan, Nash, Kidd, Arenas, Allen, Miller, TMac, Paul Pierce, Lebron, CP3, Wade, Fatmelo and he was top 5?
You should not be talking about regular season when Porker´s weakest link is poor playoff performances.

[cd98]

Top 5? You had lots of great players during that era and you think he was top 5? Nowitsky Garnett, Duncan, Nash, Kidd, Arenas, Allen, Miller, TMac, Paul Pierce, Lebron, CP3, Wade, Fatmelo and he was top 5?
You should not be talking about regular season when Porker´s weakest link is poor playoff performances.

Top 5 in shooting percentage.

[TheDoctor]

If KA was dominant in the SL and Murray can barely make a basket, then what the hell does that tell you about Murray's talent?
Damn :lmao

[Mikeanaro]

Top 5 in shooting percentage.
You think he was better than those in shooting %?
Thats impossible, and as you said lots of mediocre talents can do that during RS, but in the playoffs he had Speedy Claxton,
Game 1 vs 2002 LAL 11 points on 5/12
Game 2 vs 2002 LAL 5 points on 2/8
Game 4 vs 2002 LAL 15 points on 5/14
Game 5 vs 2002 LAL 14 points on 6/15
Game 4 vs 2003 Nets 3 points on 1/12
Game 6 vs 2003 Nets 4 points on 2/6
Game 6 vs 2004 LAL 9 points on 4/18
Game 7 vs 2005 DET 8 points on 3/11
Game 6 vs 2006 DAL 8 points on 3/15

As you can see there is a pattern when it matters, specially during those rook years.

[dabom]

You think he was better than those in shooting %?
Thats impossible, and as you said lots of mediocre talents can do that during RS, but in the playoffs he had Speedy Claxton,
Game 1 vs 2002 LAL 11 points on 5/12
Game 2 vs 2002 LAL 5 points on 2/8
Game 4 vs 2002 LAL 15 points on 5/14
Game 5 vs 2002 LAL 14 points on 6/15
Game 4 vs 2003 Nets 3 points on 1/12
Game 6 vs 2003 Nets 4 points on 2/6
Game 6 vs 2004 LAL 9 points on 4/18
Game 7 vs 2005 DET 8 points on 3/11
Game 6 vs 2006 DAL 8 points on 3/15

As you can see there is a pattern when it matters, specially during those rook years.
:lol

[cd98]

You think he was better than those in shooting %?
Thats impossible, and as you said lots of mediocre talents can do that during RS, but in the playoffs he had Speedy Claxton,
Game 1 vs 2002 LAL 11 points on 5/12
Game 2 vs 2002 LAL 5 points on 2/8
Game 4 vs 2002 LAL 15 points on 5/14
Game 5 vs 2002 LAL 14 points on 6/15
Game 4 vs 2003 Nets 3 points on 1/12
Game 6 vs 2003 Nets 4 points on 2/6
Game 6 vs 2004 LAL 9 points on 4/18
Game 7 vs 2005 DET 8 points on 3/11
Game 6 vs 2006 DAL 8 points on 3/15

As you can see there is a pattern when it matters, specially during those rook years.

Typical dumb logic hand picking games with a long career like he's had. Historically, he is one of the best percentage scoring guards in NBA history. But keep comparing him to a player that should spend next year in the D League.

[cd98]

You think he was better than those in shooting %?
Thats impossible, and as you said lots of mediocre talents can do that during RS, but in the playoffs he had Speedy Claxton,
Game 1 vs 2002 LAL 11 points on 5/12
Game 2 vs 2002 LAL 5 points on 2/8
Game 4 vs 2002 LAL 15 points on 5/14
Game 5 vs 2002 LAL 14 points on 6/15
Game 4 vs 2003 Nets 3 points on 1/12
Game 6 vs 2003 Nets 4 points on 2/6
Game 6 vs 2004 LAL 9 points on 4/18
Game 7 vs 2005 DET 8 points on 3/11
Game 6 vs 2006 DAL 8 points on 3/15

As you can see there is a pattern when it matters, specially during those rook years.

Where is Parker's 0-10 in summer league?

[dabom]

Where is Parker's 0-10 in summer league?

1/12 in the games that matter. :lmao

[cd98]

1/12 in the games that matter. :lmao

He's won a finals MVP in games that matter. Him, Kawhi, and Duncan are the only Spurs. Murray isn't on that list.

[dabom]

He's won a finals MVP in games that matter. Him, Kawhi, and Duncan are the only Spurs. Murray isn't on that list.

Don't bitch at Murray this early at the stage then faggot. :lmao

Boobie. :lmao

[cd98]

Don't bitch at Murray this early at the stage then faggot. :lmao

Boobie. :lmao

Murray couldn't own D league. Bobbie was at least an NBA Player. Don't compare him to Parker, he isn't on that level.

[Mikeanaro]

Typical dumb logic hand picking games with a long career like he's had. Historically, he is one of the best percentage scoring guards in NBA history. But keep comparing him to a player that should spend next year in the D League.
Hand picking? this is where it matters as you said, in the elimination series and he was awful, Spurs lost most of those important games because he had woeful performances.
Are you calling Speedy Claxton dumb?

[Mikeanaro]

1/12 in the games that matter. :lmao
:lmao
Thats worlds apart, the shot that changed everything.

[dabom]

Murray couldn't own D league. Bobbie was at least an NBA Player. Don't compare him to Parker, he isn't on that level.

Murray has played great in games he's started in the NBA. I'm not gonna flip shit about summer league. :lol

Did boobie even make it past his rookie contract? :lol

[Russ]

If KA was dominant in the SL and Murray can barely make a basket, then what the hell does that tell you about Murray's talent?

Or the Summer League . . .

[TheGreatYacht]

Fatty Mills fluffers in here acting like their boy didn't go 1/8 without daddy Kawhi and Manu holding his hand :lmao

[cd98]

Murray has played great in games he's started in the NBA. I'm not gonna flip shit about summer league. :lol

Did boobie even make it past his rookie contract? :lol

Played great? You either didn't watch him get his pocket picked by Beverly or you are full of shit. Murray has been subpar except maybe three or four regular season games and only one game against a playoff team. He sucked against GS and looked like he didn't belong in summer league games. Hell, he even got sent to the D Leagie in favor of an Undrafted rookie.

Parker had played big in the playoffs consistently. Has he had bad shooting games? Sure, but he's also lit up the likes of Kidd, Payton, Billups, and LeBron (hitting a game winner against him in the finals). So bagging on Parker while sucking off Murray for an empty resume is the epitome of a dumbass "fan."

[dabom]

Played great? You either didn't watch him get his pocket picked by Beverly or you are full of shit. Murray has been subpar except maybe three or four regular season games and only one game against a playoff team. He sucked against GS and looked like he didn't belong in summer league games. Hell, he even got sent to the D Leagie in favor of an I drafted rookie.

Parker had played big in the playoffs consistently. Has he had bad shooting games? Sure, but he's also lit up the likes of Kidd, Payton, Billups, and LeBron (hitting a game winner against him in the finals). So bagging on Parker while sucking off Murray for an empty resume is the epitome of a dumbass "fan."

Murray is the next biggest player for the Spurs. Either you don't know basketball, or you're being a faggot. :lol

[cd98]

Murray is the next biggest player for the Spurs. Either you don't know basketball, or you're being a faggot. :lol

Stop sucking off Murray. You don't know 0-10 in summer league.

[dabom]

Stop sucking off Murray. You don't know 0-10 in summer league.
:lol

[Brazil]

:lol

:lol son it seems you pissed off somebody

[dabom]

:lol son it seems you pissed off somebody

We can't even have appreciation threads now(totally different than breaking news threads)? :lol

MODs have always been little sensitive babies tbh...

[200 miles]

Murray is the next biggest player for the Spurs. Either you don't know basketball, or you're being a faggot. :lol So is it Murray or Mills that owns your heart?

[Brazil]

also :lol Dejounte better raw talent than Parker

I like the kid (drawing any conclusion from SL is quite pointless anyway) but nobody has any idea of what is his ceiling... :lol comparing him to Parker already

[Brazil]

We can't even have appreciation threads now(totally different than breaking news threads)? :lol

MODs have always been little sensitive babies tbh...

:lol I'm no mod if I were I would not have locked your thread... Patty is your boy, normal you want to celebrate in your own thread tbh

[dabom]

:lol I'm no mod if I were I would not have locked your thread... Patty is your boy, normal you want to celebrate in your own thread tbh

You're too logical to be a MOD tbh. :tu

[duncan2k5]

Check out what Parker's play in his first summer league. There was a reason teams wanted to trade for him then.

Check out lebron's summer league performances...that had ppl thinking he would be a bust

[duncan2k5]

also :lol Dejounte better raw talent than Parker

I like the kid (drawing any conclusion from SL is quite pointless anyway) but nobody has any idea of what is his ceiling... :lol comparing him to Parker already

But we can evaluate potential...he has crafty ball skills, just needs to be more careful...he is really quick, and he is tall for a pg...with those physical tools, he has a higher ceiling than tony who never really shot well enough to have confident perimeter shooting games consistently in the playoffs, and who has always been horrible defensively

[duncan2k5]

also :lol Dejounte better raw talent than Parker

I like the kid (drawing any conclusion from SL is quite pointless anyway) but nobody has any idea of what is his ceiling... :lol comparing him to Parker already

But we can evaluate potential...he has crafty ball skills, just needs to be more careful...he is really quick, and he is tall for a pg...with those physical tools, he has a higher ceiling than tony who never really shot well enough to have confident perimeter shooting games consistently in the playoffs, and who has always been horrible defensively

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think you start Murray and let Mills flourish with the second unit, per par.

The regular season will give the coaching staff a lot of opportunity to see if Murray is enough or if they'll need to go shopping in February.

[duncan2k5]

Wait...did that guy say Tony parker lit up Jason Kidd in the playoffs? The same Jason Kidd they had to bench parker and play speedy claxton against? Then that same summer throw everything at Jason Kidd to get him on the team? GTFOH...Parker is overrated big time... Even this playoffs ppl forget he had multiple games where he didnt score at all, and had at least one with no points or assists...yet they act as if he was lighting it up...we probably sweep these teams with a decent point guard...analytics had him as literally the worst starting pg in the league last year...and I dont think thats counting his horrible defense

[spurs10]

Well it's going to be interesting to see if they keep Patty on the bench. Not knowing who is on the bench yet makes it hard to say. I see Gay playing back up to Kawhi early in the season, but inevitably can see him on the floor with Kawhi in some small ball lineups.

It would be great to see Patty take this opportunity and run with it, while I see great potential in Murray. I'm not concerned about SL, but it is going to be a whole new look for us at the start of the season. Who knows if Tony can return as early as January and if he will at the level he was when he went down.

[DPG21920]

Wait...did that guy say Tony parker lit up Jason Kidd in the playoffs? The same Jason Kidd they had to bench parker and play speedy claxton against? Then that same summer throw everything at Jason Kidd to get him on the team? GTFOH...Parker is overrated big time... Even this playoffs ppl forget he had multiple games where he didnt score at all, and had at least one robsktwith no points or assists...yet they act as if he was lighting it up...we probably sweep these teams with a decent point guard...analytics had him as literally the worst starting pg in the league last year...and I dont think thats counting his horrible defense

You're probably the worst poster on ST.

[kaji157]

You're probably the worst poster on ST.

I may agree with you but he has some points regarding Tony.
Fact the spurs were forced to patty Claxton because Parker couldn't play with Kidd.
Fact spurs pursued Kidd hard.
Fact he was the worst starting pg by analytics last year.
Fact he only played 5 good games during the playoffs one average and two bad ones.

I don't think he is all that bad, but we have to agree that it's not sure how and when he will recover, and a solid to the team would have been to take this season off, and return next year.
This team is trying to be a contender, not a recovering Clínic.

[illusioNtEk]

You're probably the worst poster on ST.

:lol

[noles1983]

You're probably the worst poster on ST.

:rollin

[buttsR4rebounding]

Whether it's Murray or Mills the Spurs are going to be damn weak at PG. At this point it has to be Mills. Murray still dribbles way too high, has no jump shot, and is very turnover prone. I really had hoped he would work on that high dribble more than he evidently has.

[TimDunkem]

Brogdon would've been a great starter.

[cd98]

Whether it's Murray or Mills the Spurs are going to be damn weak at PG. At this point it has to be Mills. Murray still dribbles way too high, has no jump shot, and is very turnover prone. I really had hoped he would work on that high dribble more than he evidently has.

A legit starting PG is nowhere to be found on this roster. Spurs front office miscalculated. Paging Derrick Rose...yuck...paging Derrick Rose.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop's probably ecstatic that Murray looks like shit, tbh..buying more years for TP as starting PG:lol

[cd98]

Pop's probably ecstatic that Murray looks like shit, tbh..buying more years for TP as starting PG:lol

I think I'd take Parker sans rehab over this hot mess of point guards.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think I'd take Parker sans rehab over this hot mess of point guards.

At least Mills plays really well during the RS, even as a starter..the playoffs will be a huge issue for Spurs' PGs though, unfortunately..if Simmons re-signs, gonna see a lot of huge perimeter lineups, hopefully..

[therealtruth]

Wait...did that guy say Tony parker lit up Jason Kidd in the playoffs? The same Jason Kidd they had to bench parker and play speedy claxton against? Then that same summer throw everything at Jason Kidd to get him on the team? GTFOH...Parker is overrated big time... Even this playoffs ppl forget he had multiple games where he didnt score at all, and had at least one with no points or assists...yet they act as if he was lighting it up...we probably sweep these teams with a decent point guard...analytics had him as literally the worst starting pg in the league last year...and I dont think thats counting his horrible defense

I think TP was lighting up Kidd and so they switched Kittles on him.

[Mnky]

Wait...did that guy say Tony parker lit up Jason Kidd in the playoffs? The same Jason Kidd they had to bench parker and play speedy claxton against? Then that same summer throw everything at Jason Kidd to get him on the team? GTFOH...Parker is overrated big time... Even this playoffs ppl forget he had multiple games where he didnt score at all, and had at least one with no points or assists...yet they act as if he was lighting it up...we probably sweep these teams with a decent point guard...analytics had him as literally the worst starting pg in the league last year...and I dont think thats counting his horrible defense

Truth.

[duncan2k5]

I may agree with you but he has some points regarding Tony.
Fact the spurs were forced to patty Claxton because Parker couldn't play with Kidd.
Fact spurs pursued Kidd hard.
Fact he was the worst starting pg by analytics last year.
Fact he only played 5 good games during the playoffs one average and two bad ones.

I don't think he is all that bad, but we have to agree that it's not sure how and when he will recover, and a solid to the team would have been to take this season off, and return next year.
This team is trying to be a contender, not a recovering Clínic.

Thank you for seeing the points and not the poster...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think people have genuinely forgotten how terrible Jason Kidd was in those 2003 finals.

Also, a fun fact - in his 20 or so year career, Kidd has had only one season where he's had a better FG% than Parker's lowest ( his rookie season ). And it got even worse for Kidd in the playoffs, he's a career sub 40% shooter in the playoffs on a massive sample size.

[duncan2k5]

I think people have genuinely forgotten how terrible Jason Kidd was in those 2003 finals.

Also, a fun fact - in his 20 or so year career, Kidd has had only one season where he's had a better FG% than Parker's lowest ( his rookie season ). And it got even worse for Kidd in the playoffs, he's a career sub 40% shooter in the playoffs on a massive sample size.

If u are judging how Kidd played based on his shooting, you missed the ship, kid...no pun intended...

[DaBears]

You pointed out another problem, his weight.

Spurs gambled on this 29th pick. Let's hope by training with Kawhi he can improve his game.

He has a ton of stuff to work on!

Training for 2-3 weeks with KL isn't going to change his game much if any.. Its would take much longer to see a noticeable change for what were all talking about.. I like the idea of having a PG 6'5 and slender, but he doesn't seem to be a good passer nor dribbler. Maybe him bulkin up is all that it would take for him. Not sure and no matter how much we all like him or see possible potential as of right now he cannot be your starting PG to be counted on.

[ceperez]

Training for 2-3 weeks with KL isn't going to change his game much if any.. Its would take much longer to see a noticeable change for what were all talking about.. I like the idea of having a PG 6'5 and slender, but he doesn't seem to be a good passer nor dribbler. Maybe him bulkin up is all that it would take for him. Not sure and no matter how much we all like him or see possible potential as of right now he cannot be your starting PG to be counted on.

He can bulk up and perhaps become either a patrick beverly type player or a tony allen type player. He just cannot shoot.

[cjw]

If u are judging how Kidd played based on his shooting, you missed the ship, kid...no pun intended...

Kidd was a great defender and passer. Shooting wasn't great but rest of game more than made up for it. A guy like Nash was a much much better shooter in all facets, but a far worse defender. Heck, his three point shooting pushed his eFG% above Magic though Magic got to the line a lot more. Meanwhile, Kidd rebounded like Magic while Nash and Parker rebounded at half that rate.

Parker gets shat on by people around here because of his current contract and because they insist on arguing him vs. Ginobili. Compared to other PG, he has been an extremely high usage player and still posts solid shooting percentages. Also a very low turnover rate. He's not in the same class as any of these guys listed, but presented to show how much current performance blinds people.

And to all the people who retrospectively didn't want Paul, he's got the lowest TO% and highest AST% out of Parker, Nash, Kidd, Magic and Curry. Usage just below Parker with a 58% TS% vs. Parker's 54.9%.

[cd98]

What's funny is Kidd couldn't guard Parker. Midway through the series they put Kerry Kittles on Parker and he, being a better defender against speed, slowed Parker down. Kidd wasn't a great three point shooter until later in his career, but he was a good scorer and could post up on smaller guards like Parker.

History always gets re-written, but Parker had a solid 2003 run and played well in the finals except for the last few games where he couldn't figure out Kittles. But it was a good learning experience bc Parker played well in the 2005 run, including against a all time great defensive team in Detroit.

[duncan2k5]

What's funny is Kidd couldn't guard Parker. Midway through the series they put Kerry Kittles on Parker and he, being a better defender against speed, slowed Parker down. Kidd wasn't a great three point shooter until later in his career, but he was a good scorer and could post up on smaller guards like Parker.

History always gets re-written, but Parker had a solid 2003 run and played well in the finals except for the last few games where he couldn't figure out Kittles. But it was a good learning experience bc Parker played well in the 2005 run, including against a all time great defensive team in Detroit.

Parker didnt play well vs Detroit...Parker has a pretty low bar for ppl on here...last year he was statistically the worst starting pg, and yet ppl are looking towards him coming back...no way he should be starting in a championship level team...I'll take my chances with Murray, because I KNOW we won't win with Parker starting...with Murray at least he develops, and I find it hard to see him having a worse year than parker did last year (once again, he was the WORST pg in the league)

[cd98]

Parker didnt play well vs Detroit...Parker has a pretty low bar for ppl on here...last year he was statistically the worst starting pg, and yet ppl are looking towards him coming back...no way he should be starting in a championship level team...I'll take my chances with Murray, because I KNOW we won't win with Parker starting...with Murray at least he develops, and I find it hard to see him having a worse year than parker did last year (once again, he was the WORST pg in the league)

News flash. Murray, if he starts, will be he worst starting pg in the NBA.

[313]

News flash. Murray, if he starts, will be he worst starting pg in the NBA.
:lol

[duncan2k5]

News flash. Murray, if he starts, will be he worst starting pg in the NBA.

News flash, he is 19 and won't get worse...tony was the worst, and will get worse

[DPG21920]

News flash, he is 19 and won't get worse...tony was the worst, and will get worse

Nah - we saw TP look great in the playoffs. No where near the worst. Keep lying though.

[dabom]

Tony has been a cancer these past 3 years. He was already at the tail end of the decline. Now he can't walk and needs to rehab. If he's 60% of what he was, he wouldn't even make the G league.

[duncan2k5]

Nah - we saw TP look great in the playoffs. No where near the worst. Keep lying though.

Great?? He had numerous games of zero points...the games he played well were the games he his his jumpers.. This unreliable jumper...and even in those games he played horrible defense...on top of that next year he will be older and coming off a career ending injury...keep dreaming about him being our savior

[dabom]

Nah - we saw TP look great in the playoffs. No where near the worst. Keep lying though.

Porker fluffers. :lol

[duncan2k5]

Porker fluffers. :lol

:lol I think parker has multiple accounts on here to drum up support for himself...thats literally all he does at home

[ro_50]

I like Murray's potential and yep he's been choppy in Summer league but y'all realize regardless if Murray starts or not, Mills will get lion share of minutes and based on flow of game and matchups, Murray may be required to play 15-25 mins a game and hold fort down when he's on court. I don't get the overly sensationalized criticism of Murray based on a few summer league games. If y'all were expecting another Parker that is misleading. Parker manned true point for years before coming over and Murray still learning to play the point. He didn't handle the ball exclusively at Wash under Romar and he's still learning the game. Temper expectations please. Yes first post in several years. I'm back.

[dabom]

:lol I think parker has multiple accounts on here to drum up support for himself...thats literally all he does at home

Porker is literally our biggest obstacle to a chip. :lol

[DPG21920]

Great?? He had numerous games of zero points...the games he played well were the games he his his jumpers.. This unreliable jumper...and even in those games he played horrible defense...on top of that next year he will be older and coming off a career ending injury...keep dreaming about him being our savior

Ya - a PER of nearly 20 on a true shooting percentage of over 60. Pretty damn good.

[dabom]

The Phoenix died. SpursforSix

[dabom]

I like Murray's potential and yep he's been choppy in Summer league but y'all realize regardless if Murray starts or not, Mills will get lion share of minutes and based on flow of game and matchups, Murray may be required to play 15-25 mins a game and hold fort down when he's on court. I don't get the overly sensationalized criticism of Murray based on a few summer league games. If y'all were expecting another Parker that is misleading. Parker manned true point for years before coming over and Murray still learning to play the point. He didn't handle the ball exclusively at Wash under Romar and he's still learning the game. Temper expectations please. Yes first post in several years. I'm back.


Do you think anyone missed you though?

[cd98]

News flash, he is 19 and won't get worse...tony was the worst, and will get worse

Has Murray hit a jumper in summer league yet? I'm serious.

[dabom]

Has Murray hit a jumper in summer league yet? I'm serious.

Can porker even make it past the second round without injuring himself. :lol

[cd98]

Tony has been a cancer these past 3 years. He was already at the tail end of the decline. Now he can't walk and needs to rehab. If he's 60% of what he was, he wouldn't even make the G league.

I've no idea how Parker will look post injury. But judging by Murray's SL performance, I'm scared for the Spurs. Kawhi deserves a PG that can make a jumpshot in SL.

[dabom]

I've no idea how Parker will look post injury. But judging by Murray's SL performance, I'm scared for the Spurs. Kawhi deserves a PG that can make a jumpshot in SL.

Are you a dumbfuck? Patty can hit from anywhere on the floor. :lmao

[cd98]

Can porker even make it past the second round without injuring himself. :lol

I don't know. How many games did our 19 year old wonder kid miss last year with a groin injury? How do you injure your groin while sitting on the bench?

[cd98]

Are you a dumbfuck? Patty can hit from anywhere on the floor. :lmao

Ha, you think PM is a point guard.

[dabom]

I don't know. How many games did our 19 year old wonder kid miss last year with a groin injury? How do you injure your groin while sitting on the bench?

He still made the playoffs. :lol

Porker been on a continuous break down 4 years in a row. :lmao

[dabom]

Ha, you think PM is a point guard.

You think he isn't? Are you a stupid fucking shit? :lmao

[SpursforSix]

The Phoenix died. SpursforSix (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49684)

I did all I could. I'm pretty sure that I expressed concern that he was advancing through the stages too quickly.

[sasaint]

I like Murray's potential and yep he's been choppy in Summer league but y'all realize regardless if Murray starts or not, Mills will get lion share of minutes and based on flow of game and matchups, Murray may be required to play 15-25 mins a game and hold fort down when he's on court. I don't get the overly sensationalized criticism of Murray based on a few summer league games. If y'all were expecting another Parker that is misleading. Parker manned true point for years before coming over and Murray still learning to play the point. He didn't handle the ball exclusively at Wash under Romar and he's still learning the game. Temper expectations please. Yes first post in several years. I'm back.

Welcome back. :toast

[TheGreatYacht]

Lmao :lol

[dabom]

Lmao :lol

Patty did start. In fact, both of them did. Wtf. :lmao

[tholdren]

Kawhi and Murray looking to be literally the only bright spots next year. Sad. Kawhi deserves better.

Loloololololilololol

[TimDunkem]

Loloololololilololol

Yeah. Totally funny that Kawhi got hurt. You sure showed me!

[tholdren]

Yeah. Totally funny that Kawhi got hurt. You sure showed me!

Bwahahahahaahah best you got?

[TimDunkem]

Bwahahahahaahah best you got?

Laughing at Kawhi's injury. Smh. Not only are you a stalker and a racist, but you're also a shitty fan too...Oh wait. NBA players suck, right? Why are you even here?

[tholdren]

Laughing at Kawhi's injury. Smh. Not only are you a stalker and a racist, but you're also a shitty fan too...Oh wait. NBA players suck, right? Why are you even here?

Ouch. Youre upset. Its okay. I will stop making fun of your awful takes.

[TimDunkem]

Ouch. Youre upset. Its okay. I will stop making fun of your awful takes.

Typical tholdren. Someone points out how awful you are and you tuck your tail between your legs and run. Also, you never point out anything, you just spam or bump threads with nonsense and occasionally talk ball with shit like, "the best talent isn't in the NBA". Talk about shit takes. :lol

:lol Autistic racist stalker.

[TheDoctor]

:lol

[Brazil]

:lol I'm ready tbh...

[tholdren]

Typical tholdren. Someone points out how awful you are and you tuck your tail between your legs and run. Also, you never point out anything, you just spam or bump threads with nonsense and occasionally talk ball with shit like, "the best talent isn't in the NBA". Talk about shit takes. :lol

:lol Autistic racist stalker.
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