2017 Utah Summer League Game 2: Spurs vs Celtics - 6 p.m. CST - 2 a.m. Riga

[rastaspur]

Tatum's mom is going to wind up blowing one of her sons teamates like bron's mom did. I'm predicting it now.

Just a random prediction.

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray is like the guy in soccer who doesn't lose the ball only because he makes the simple pass. doesn't really advance the ball or do anything meaningful with the passes, but at least it was not him that did something bad.
The Fellaini of basketball

[SAGirl]

I never really thought he wouldn't get a camp invite. But if he continues like this, I guess he could make me eat my words and a tidally stick again on an expanded roster. :wow

we shall see, I mean the roster spots are still tight, but he can so very clearly shoot... problem is that he can blow his load this game and come back next game with an off night and when that happens what else is there? we have seen that. But I think Spurs can still benefit from having him. What happens if Patty gets injured?

[picnroll]

Murray is like the guy in soccer who doesn't lose the ball only because he makes the simple pass. doesn't really advance the ball or do anything meaningful with the passes, but at least it was not him that did something bad.
Think you mean a White.

[GSH]

Murray is like the guy in soccer who doesn't lose the ball only because he makes the simple pass. doesn't really advance the ball or do anything meaningful with the passes, but at least it was not him that did something bad.


I like him as a shooting guard. If he could, you know... shoot.

[GSH]

Tatum's mom is going to wind up blowing one of her sons teamates like bron's mom did. I'm predicting it now.

Just a random prediction.

:lol


Random? Ya think?

[tonight...you]

TGY used to be a good poster. Then he decided to switch up his trolling. Now you can't see him go one or two post without fondling Apas balls.

I'm sure he will switch it up and be back to hating Apa at some point or another.
I still dig TGY. He just went lazy schtick on me, like a punk.
His "tldr" meant he read and didn't want to respond to the truth bombs.


It's cool.

[SAGirl]

DAvis has bounced back this game. nice passes, obviously made his shots, and played very well.

[sasaint]

Some guys are going to have to grow up a lot over the summer and training camp to wrestle 50 milllion man Patty for that spot.

Just begs the question: does Pop want to keep Patty as the microwave or does he want him to start?

[DPG21920]

DAvis has bounced back this game. nice passes, obviously made his shots, and played very well.

Agreed - its not just the shots falling either. He's moving better, being more decisive & actually engaged.

[ceperez]

Just begs the question: does Pop want to keep Patty as the microwave or does he want him to start?

I doubt Patty will start.

[TheGreatYacht]

Not surprised Forbes played well. A certain fathead fan on here predicted Simmons wouldn't make the roster last season only to watch him take Fathead's minutes. That same poster has now done it with Bryn :lol

[sasaint]

He's missing those tear drops.... but that can be fixed.

Looks like Spurs have their starting point guard!!

We still have more SL, then training camp, then preseason... But do you think Pop would rather have Patty starting or being the 6th man while starting a rookie?

[ceperez]

I wonder why we have Patty when we have Forbes.

[picnroll]

I'm calling it. Unless Spurs pick up a PG White will be the starting PG at least until Parker gets back.

[SAGirl]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sa.png&h=100&w=100Spurs



Starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


S. WhittingtonF
22
1-4
0-1
0-0
2
1
3
1
1
0
0
2
+13
2


D. BertansF
27
5-10
4-8
0-0
0
4
4
1
0
0
0
4
+12
14


J. BlossomgameF
23
3-6
2-4
0-0
2
2
4
1
0
0
2
2
+4
8


B. ForbesG
29
12-20
6-8
1-3
0
2
2
3
3
0
0
4
+9
31


D. MurrayG
21
0-10
0-2
5-6
2
8
10
4
1
0
2
2
+10
5


Bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


C. LalanneC
10
3-6
0-0
0-0
2
0
2
0
0
0
1
3
-3
6


O. HanlanG
18
1-4
0-1
0-0
1
2
3
0
0
0
0
3
+1
2


C. JeffersonF
14
0-2
0-0
3-4
3
5
8
0
1
0
1
1
+1
3


D. WhiteG
21
3-13
1-4
3-5
0
1
1
2
1
0
1
1
+6
10


L. Jean-CharlesF
12
0-3
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
2
0
1
1
1
+2
0

[SAGirl]

I wonder why we have Patty when we have Forbes.

you and half the forum..
but I really need to get away from that schtick.
Patty is going to be around for 4 years. better get used to it.

[ceperez]

It will be very unfortunate if Forbes isn't signed.

[DPG21920]

I'm calling it. Unless Spurs pick up a PG White will be the starting PG at least until Parker gets back.

No chance IMO (well, there's a chance if several people get injured, no PG is picked up or there are trades). If the rotation remains as is, then no chance White starts.

[apalisoc_9]

Murray is fine. He's struggled because there's a clear focus on running the offense and that's somewhat difficult to do with Charles and A White American as your two bigs.

We will find out how much he's improved once he starts playing with Kawhi-Aldridge and Green.

White is OK.

Blossom plays like any other 58th pick

Forbes likes to light it up against scrubs. We'll see if he has the same level of confidence against legit NBA players.

[Nathan89]

Kawhi needs to invite White to train with him tbh.

[spurraider21]

white and murray combining for 3-23 from the field :lol... patty needs to earn his money

[Chinook]

Kawhi needs to invite White to train with him tbh.

Think Bryn should be taking all of them under his wing.

[apalisoc_9]

Lalane and Charles has had way too many opportunities. Enough with them. Two legit scrubs

[tonight...you]

Apa has plenty of balls. You're being stupid.
He makes threads constantly, to be scrutinized and talked shit about.
That takes no balls? How often do you put yourself in a position to be shat upon with your own threads?

Oh, you can say - talking on the web has no balls, but he talks more than you.

Stop.

He generates topic discussions and you've been dick-deep in his threads, yourself.

This shit is damn dumb and if you're going to come at me with quality of the board shit, it's better than a dead board and I don't see you generating much discussion.
You're a counter-punch guy, Just like I'm sure you're going to counter-punch me, but you know I'm right:

He is a member that generates discussion and, let's be honest: there ain't a lot of Spurs fans, as compared to other franchises, on message boards.
This is what we got and while it is a cesspool, is a god-damned boon for Spurs fans.

So fuck off. Talk about the lack of balls to some chick that'll agree with you.

[FkLA]

DJ looks like shit. I was expecting him to look like a man amongst boys, honestly. He's been really really underwhelming.

[SAGirl]

Just begs the question: does Pop want to keep Patty as the microwave or does he want him to start?

I think he starts. I tend to think to start the season Pop goes to his veterans and then starts the experiment mode Pop after. Just a hunch since we have no idea if they are really standing pat or adding others to the roster.

[TheGreatYacht]

white and murray combining for 3-23 from the field :lol... patty needs to earn his money
:lol

dat RC always drafting steals

[SAGirl]

Think Bryn should be taking all of them under his wing.

see. sarcasm. it's allowed. :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol

dat RC always drafting steals
"typical spurs pick, always finding late round gems"

[Chinook]

Apa has plenty of balls. You're being stupid.
He makes threads constantly, to be scrutinized and talked shit about.
That takes no balls? How often do you put yourself in a position to be shat upon with your own threads?

Oh, you can say - talking on the web has no balls, but he talks more than you.

Stop.

He generates topic discussions and you've been dick-deep in his threads, yourself.

This shit is damn dumb and if you're going to come at me with quality of the board shit, it's better than a dead board and I don't see you generating much discussion.
You're a counter-punch guy, Just like I'm sure you're going to counter-punch me, but you know I'm right:

He is a member that generates discussion and, let's be honest: there ain't a lot of Spurs fans, as compared to other franchises, on message boards.
This is what we got and while it is a cesspool, is a god-damned boon for Spurs fans.

So fuck off. Talk about the lack of balls to some chick that'll agree with you.

Did your zen garden burn down?

[CGD]

Wonder what's up with Murray?

While Mirray posts on IG about putting in the work, the guy that ACTUALLY is looking better and better is Bryn. Obviously still had his limitations, but dude looks quicker and surer with the ball.

[wildbill2u]

I wonder why we have Patty when we have Forbes.

Patty is so much faster he can play a little defense and actually get to the basket on drives occasionally.

[TheGreatYacht]

"typical spurs pick, always finding late round gems"
"That Jean-Charles/Milutinov/Murray/White will be the 2022 Finals MVP, how did 29 teams let the Spurs have him?"

[DPG21920]

This is what SL is for. Work those wrinkles out Murray.

[picnroll]

White's shots were good shots, in and out, they'll fall other nights. Murray's shots were wild ass shots on a wing and a prayer.

[wildbill2u]

I think Pop and RC better start burning up the long distance budget and get a point guard.

[tonight...you]

Did your zen garden burn down?
:lol
For just a moment. I'm back. Ohm...
Ohm...

Lol.

For reals though! Give me ten minutes. I broke out my piano... Total Zen and GSH (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1519), I think you are one of the very best here.
Very best.

[picnroll]

Murray's in love with his dribbling and floaters.

[sasaint]

I think he starts. I tend to think to start the season Pop goes to his veterans and then starts the experiment mode Pop after. Just a hunch since we have no idea if they are really standing pat or adding others to the roster.

Knowing Pop, I cannot see him going with a rookie. So, no White. But unless Dijon picks it up, I really don't see Pop going with him. So, although Pop might want to keep Patty in his microwave role, I don't see an alternative acceptable to Pop other than Mills to start.

[TheWriter]

Spurstalk. Home to fuckboy Spurs fans.

You basement dwelling shit posting dipshits should go outside and absorb some vitamin d from the sun. Or at the very least, stop sucking all the dick you seem so content with sucking.

[KDKSpurs24]

Wonder what's up with Murray?

While Mirray posts on IG about putting in the work, the guy that ACTUALLY is looking better and better is Bryn. Obviously still had his limitations, but dude looks quicker and surer with the ball.
Murray's inability to shoot the ball is killing him.

[picnroll]

Pop went with Parker as a rookie.

[TheDoctor]

Apa has plenty of balls. You're being stupid.
He makes threads constantly, to be scrutinized and talked shit about.
That takes no balls? How often do you put yourself in a position to be shat upon with your own threads?

Oh, you can say - talking on the web has no balls, but he talks more than you.

Stop.

He generates topic discussions and you've been dick-deep in his threads, yourself.

This shit is damn dumb and if you're going to come at me with quality of the board shit, it's better than a dead board and I don't see you generating much discussion.
You're a counter-punch guy, Just like I'm sure you're going to counter-punch me, but you know I'm right:

He is a member that generates discussion and, let's be honest: there ain't a lot of Spurs fans, as compared to other franchises, on message boards.
This is what we got and while it is a cesspool, is a god-damned boon for Spurs fans.

So fuck off. Talk about the lack of balls to some chick that'll agree with you.

What if he knows Apa personally and said the true as Apa being a chick?

[Birn]

:lol

dat RC always drafting steals

Murray was 0 for 10. White looked much better in transition. Murray hasn't shown that he can consistently make an outside jumper.

Blossomgame was good on D tonight. Held Tatum down pretty much the 2nd half and shut down Brown in the first half. Hit a couple of open threes. If he does that throughout summer league and training camp, he'll at least earn a 2 way contract.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurstalk. Home to fuckboy Spurs fans.

You basement dwelling shit posting dipshits should go outside and absorb some vitamin d from the sun. Or at the very least, stop sucking all the dick you seem so content with sucking.
You tell'em, Don Harris

[FkLA]

The announcers mentioned Boston has to move two of Smart, Bradley, and Crowder to make room for Hayward. Why isn't RC's drunk ass on the phone trying to pick up Crowder and/or Bradley?

[ceperez]

Murray definitely still a disappointment. Just doesn't have the skills yet and is still a project.

At least White is ready to play. Forbes looks very ready. How many other guards will the Spurs keep in their roster?

Blossomgame was able to hit some of his open 3's. Which is a good sign.

[ceperez]

The announcers mentioned Boston has to move two of Smart, Bradley, and Crowder to make room for Hayward. Why isn't RC's drunk ass on the phone trying to pick up Crowder and/or Bradley?

I guess that Utah will be interested in Aldridge.

Let's get Crowder and Boris Diaw in this trade!

[tonight...you]

Murray is a Do What Thou Wilt player.

Let's get real here: He ain't riegning himself in and Pop jus drafted a player that he just might trust to run a team over Murray...
Is Murray done for? Hells No! But i think his moments in Pop's mind of him being the PG is fading and fading fast.

He could still be a hell of a limited combo-guard though... and a killer leader of a bench group that crushes other teams benches in the RS.

Dammit, I wanted him to expand and refine more... maybe I'm expecting too much from the annual Kawhi software reboots that happens every year.

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray was 0 for 10. White looked much better in transition. Murray hasn't shown that he can consistently make an outside jumper.

Blossomgame was good on D tonight. Held Tatum down pretty much the 2nd half and shut down Brown in the first half. Hit a couple of open threes. If he does that throughout summer league and training camp, he'll at least earn a 2 way contract.
I still believe in Murray, but holy crap he's making all of us look bad. White is okay, expected a bit more out of a 23yr old playing a bunch of kids. Blossomgame made the shots he was supposed to make but he doesn't have much else. Would like to see Early take his minutes tbh

[TimDunkem]

I guess that Utah will be interested in Aldridge.

Let's get Crowder and Boris Diaw in this trade!
No...Utah is interested in whatever Boston will give them. No one wants that fat fuck LMA:lol.

[tonight...you]

What if he knows Apa personally and said the true as Apa being a chick?
I totally doubt, if Apa was a chick, she would be hot.
100%

[spursistan]

When will Pop/Chip and the rest of the staff start coaching young guys again? Why is Murray offensive repertoire still only consist of barfing up one off-balance floater after the other?

Pretty disappointing so far..

[FkLA]

Murray definitely still a disappointment. Just doesn't have the skills yet and is still a project.

At least White is ready to play. Forbes looks very ready. How many other guards will the Spurs keep in their roster?

Blossomgame was able to hit some of his open 3's. Which is a good sign.

Good game from Forbes but lol at him looking "very ready". Still too short, too slow, and too robotic with his dribble. You must've missed the Jazz game.

[SAGirl]

Knowing Pop, I cannot see him going with a rookie. So, no White. But unless Dijon picks it up, I really don't see Pop going with him. So, although Pop might want to keep Patty in his microwave role, I don't see an alternative acceptable to Pop other than Mills to start.

This Dijon right now that we are seeing isn't ready, but it's really the fact he's too inefficient with what he's doing. He has improved. I mean last summer and some summer league games he was having 5 or more TO... heck in a short amount of garbage time in the regular season he was capable of TO 3 or 4 times. But he's playing with Shittington. So many passes he made that Shittington just couldn't score on, so I think at one point heroball Dijon kind of showed up and it wasn't a good sighting. Still has a lot to work on. With Kawhi it would be very different but he has to do something about his offensive game.

Still like I said, I think Patty starts, Kawhi dominates the ball anyways, and Patty and Kawhi have closed games and worked well in the past, but I also expect some experiment mode Pop.

I won't prognosticate with White. Guys need to adjust to the NBA, that is no picnic. No to him starting.

[Chinook]

Wouldn't put too much stock into SL performances when projecting Murray as a starter. Dude plays better as a lower option ans defenders better next to good defensive players. Some guys play up to their level of competition

[SAGirl]

Wouldn't put too much stock into SL performances when projecting Murray as a starter. Dude plays better as a lower option ans defenders better next to good defensive players. Some guys play up to their level of competition

good point.
as I said... he forced the issue after what seemed like many passes to whittington and others that ended up nowhere.

If his offensive game is not ready, and by that I mean, he still needs to put a lot of work on his finishes (IMO he needs to weight more to finish through contact or something), improving his passing game is hte most immediate thing he can do, he still blows by a lot of guys and collapses defenses, but he cannot force shit right now.

[DPG21920]

Wouldn't put too much stock into SL performances when projecting Murray as a starter. Dude plays better as a lower option ans defenders better next to good defensive players. Some guys play up to their level of competition

Agreed. Saw similar things with Hill too in SL. As I said before, the only thing I think we have learned is that Murray is not some top flight talent. He has upside to be sure, but he's not so talented that he will just excel no matter the environment or talent around him.

But he's looked solid enough in actual nba games to have hope.

[ceperez]

Good game from Forbes but lol at him looking "very ready". Still too short, too slow, and too robotic with his dribble. You must've missed the Jazz game.

6-8 from downtown is a pretty good stat line considering everyone knows that he's going to take that shot.

[ceperez]

good point.
as I said... he forced the issue after what seemed like many passes to whittington and others that ended up nowhere.

If his offensive game is not ready, and by that I mean, he still needs to put a lot of work on his finishes (IMO he needs to weight more to finish through contact or something), improving his passing game is hte most immediate thing he can do, he still blows by a lot of guys and collapses defenses, but he cannot force shit right now.

Murray seems like a project. Corry Joseph spent a lot of time in D-league and he wasn't as reckless as Murray.

The one plus of Murray is that on a one-on-one situation he can beat his man.

[SPURt]

Goodness Jeffrerson is a black hole. Murray has been a disappointment so far. I'm a little upset Forbes went off. I kind of wish it was someone else. I can't believe Early hasn't played.

[tonight...you]

Agreed. Saw similar things with Hill too in SL. As I said before, the only thing I think we have learned is that Murray is not some top flight talent. He has upside to be sure, but he's not so talented that he will just excel no matter the environment or talent around him.

But he's looked solid enough in actual nba games to have hope.
The issue with Murray's talent evaluation is that he is such a wildcard.
He has decision problems. He has a really loose handle that hasn't improved. He doesn't have THE BEST instincts at all and yet he flashes some very palatable traits that any coach looks for and he has a good attitude, which coaches (especially Pop) looks at.

And then you add a player like White, who's very controlled. Young, but older and plays older. Not as high a ceiling, but looks like he can run a team in limited minutes and situations with the ability to expand.

Lordy... I'm glad I just root for this team and not running it.

[littlecoyotecoin]

:lmao I still can't get over White's forehead

I think you're being too ambitious. You should probably just try to go under or around it.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Murray seems like a project. Corry Joseph spent a lot of time in D-league and he wasn't as reckless as Murray.

The one plus of Murray is that on a one-on-one situation he can beat his man.

Yes, he can get past his man. But can he score?

Parker, for all his faults, had no such problem despite his stature and lack of strength. His finishing was elite even as a rookie, and he could shoot better than Manu early in their NBA careers. Perhaps efficient finishing is an ability that's not so easily taught?

[ceperez]

Yes, he can get past his man. But can he score?

Parker, for all his faults, had no such problem despite his stature and lack of strength. His finishing was elite even as a rookie, and he could shoot better than Manu early in their NBA careers. Perhaps efficient finishing is an ability that's not so easily taught?

Right, hasn't shown that he can score after he beats his man. Truth is, PATFO see a lot more of him in practice, so maybe they see potential or maybe not.

I am more a fan of White's game than Murray. He's got playground basketball skill but does it translate to championship ball?

Even worse, ball movement stops unless he passes the ball. Maybe that's what he's used for, break down the defense so that shooter can score.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I think you're being too ambitious. You should probably just try to go under or around it.

White can set some good screens just with his forehead.

[steeledl]

Damn, wtf happened w/ Mr Untouchable Murray? That nigga needs to ash his girls mom if he can fly her out for the weekend and get his mojo back.

[ceperez]

For a guy who just shot 6-8 from 3 point line, it amazing how little fans care about Forbes achievement.

[spursistan]

My nigga Manu4tres needs to put the brakes on his Dejounte hype train. He is nowhere near Kawhi as a prospect and shouldn't be unfairly measured against such a lofty standard of development.. (Granted, Leonard walked into a better Spurs team in '11-'12)..

[tonight...you]

I repeat:

The issue with Murray's talent evaluation is that he is such a wildcard.
He has decision problems. He has a really loose handle that hasn't improved. He doesn't have THE BEST instincts at all and yet he flashes some very palatable traits that any coach looks for and he has a good attitude, which coaches (especially Pop) looks at.

And then you add a player like White, who's very controlled. Young, but older and plays older. Not as high a ceiling, but looks like he can run a team in limited minutes and situations with the ability to expand.

Lordy... I'm glad I just root for this team and not running it.

[steeledl]

Yes, he can get past his man. But can he score?

Parker, for all his faults, had no such problem despite his stature and lack of strength. His finishing was elite even as a rookie, and he could shoot better than Manu early in their NBA careers. Perhaps efficient finishing is an ability that's not so easily taught?

Finishing is about being in control at a fast pace and touch. You can improve on it but it's also one of those things that you either have or don't. Tony was a natural. Danny Green will never have it no matter how much he practices and is taught. Murray can certainly improve in this area but he will never be a great finisher.

[Play Boban]

Murray might be the most overrated player in Spurs history.

[steeledl]

For a guy who just shot 6-8 from 3 point line, it amazing how little fans care about Forbes achievement.

Doesn't really feel like he has great upside at the NBA level. Fans want to see players who have well rounded NBA level athleticism succeed in summer league. It is why I never got excited for Kyle Anderson in SL while Simmons was a joy.

[SilverSpur]

For a guy who just shot 6-8 from 3 point line, it amazing how little fans care about Forbes achievement.
I like Forbes. 6 for 8 and young. Wil be a solid back up for us, until Parker and Manu leave then his time will come.
Bertan is looking nice , White and Blossmgame coming along.
All the bigs look bad to me so far.

[tonight...you]

Finishing is about being in control at a fast pace and touch. You can improve on it but it's also one of those things that you either have or don't. Tony was a natural. Danny Green will never have it no matter how much he practices and is taught. Murray can certainly improve in this area but he will never be a great finisher.
Like you said: control.
I can see this kid getting introduced to an ADD medication.
One: he would, obviously, get an RX for... obviously.

Murray on Ritalin? My face gives a smile more evil than Dr. Evil.
Murray on a good dose, prescriptive of Ritalin would be...

Illegal.

[Snaq O'Meal]

My nigga Manu4tres needs to put the brakes on his Dejounte hype train. He is nowhere near Kawhi as a prospect and shouldn't be unfairly measured against such a lofty standard of development.. (Granted, Leonard walked into a better Spurs team in '11-'12)..

A comparison with Brogdon is more appropriate: similar height, similar wingspan, and similar combo guard position.

[GSH]

What if he knows Apa personally and said the true as Apa being a chick?


LOL. Sometimes the setup for a joke is just too good to pass up. Checking Apa's plumbing has never been on my "to do" list. :lol

As for that rant - I chalk it up to random neurons firing every now and then. There's nothing going on here on ST that a little lithium couldn't help.

[tonight...you]

Like you said: control.
I can see this kid getting introduced to an ADD medication.
One: he would, obviously, get an RX for... obviously.

Murray on Ritalin? My face gives a smile more evil than Dr. Evil.
Murray on a good dose, prescriptive of Ritalin would be...

Illegal.

Murray on Ritalin...

[JR3]

The issue with Murray's talent evaluation is that he is such a wildcard.
He has decision problems. He has a really loose handle that hasn't improved. He doesn't have THE BEST instincts at all and yet he flashes some very palatable traits that any coach looks for and he has a good attitude, which coaches (especially Pop) looks at.

And then you add a player like White, who's very controlled. Young, but older and plays older. Not as high a ceiling, but looks like he can run a team in limited minutes and situations with the ability to expand.

Lordy... I'm glad I just root for this team and not running it.
Spot on... but that's what you normally get at the end of the first round. I take the higher ceiling and right attitude guy though and just hope player development can fill in the gaps...will take time.

[tonight...you]

LOL. Sometimes the setup for a joke is just too good to pass up. Checking Apa's plumbing has never been on my "to do" list. :lol

As for that rant - I chalk it up to random neurons firing every now and then. There's nothing going on here on ST that a little lithium couldn't help.
Lithium makes me puke. I like more naturally grown substitutions.

On lithium, I wouldn't even know what the word "substitution" was...

[sasaint]

A comparison with Brogdon is more appropriate: similar height, similar wingspan, and similar combo guard position.

Dijon and Brogdon have completely different games.

[tonight...you]

Spot on... but that's what you normally get at the end of the first round. I take the higher ceiling and right attitude guy though and just hope player development can fill in the gaps...will take time.
Yessir. All you can do in that situation.

[spurraider21]

Murray might be the most overrated player in Spurs history.
boban by a mile

[SAGirl]

For a guy who just shot 6-8 from 3 point line, it amazing how little fans care about Forbes achievement.

He's not flashy and he is small.. and with Patty in the team, who knows if Forbes will play...
but contrast that with having Murray as untouchable and throwing Forbes to the curb. :lol
They also had 1000 trades where they gave away Anderson just bc ... he has a fathead or something. :lol

One has to have a sense of humor .. all I will say.

[tonight...you]

boban by a mile
A New York Country Mile.
Sorry Boban fans.

That old boy was no more than a spectacle for end-of-the-game moments.

Like he could do shit against real teams in real moments... Lol PlayBoban (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49799)

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O4BJ3ZavvQ

[SAGirl]

Finishing is about being in control at a fast pace and touch. You can improve on it but it's also one of those things that you either have or don't. Tony was a natural. Danny Green will never have it no matter how much he practices and is taught. Murray can certainly improve in this area but he will never be a great finisher.

You have good points steele

[GSH]

Wouldn't put too much stock into SL performances when projecting Murray as a starter. Dude plays better as a lower option ans defenders better next to good defensive players. Some guys play up to their level of competition


I like Murray. But he's a combo guard. I almost can't count the number of times I've told myself not to get fooled by another combo guard. But I don't think we can base much on SL games, when there really aren't any set plays to speak of, and the players don't have at familiarities.

More than anything else, he's got to come up with some shot(s) besides that damn floater.

[tonight...you]

You have good points steele
Get that RX for Ritalin ASAP...
Don't judge me, I don't even do it anymore: that's what cocaine replaces...

Lol! I'm not going to deny anything and Murray needs Ritalin!
It will make him twice the player he is.

[SAGirl]

Get that RX for Ritalin ASAP...
Don't judge me, I don't even do it anymore: that's what cocaine replaces...

Lol! I'm not going to deny anything and Murray needs Ritalin!
It will make him twice the player he is.

I didn't think he was that bad... it was like Forbes and Bertans the last game, when shots didn't go in they looked like shit.

It's just ... he does need to do something about his shot... but I think he ended up doing so poorly bc he started forcing shots at one point. He started to try to get into the paint even though there were guys there etc. SL is to learn, so I can't fault him if he's testing the strength of what he can do. He is really slim. He's no Simmons... Simmons is a very stocky strong guard. He actually invites contact so he can finish and doesn't get a block or something. Dijon can't do that obviously. He also doesn't have footwork like Tony's and who are we kidding hes a HoF player for a reason... but I am champion of apparently lost causes... I am going to have to take him under my wing too. :lol

[Snaq O'Meal]

Dijon and Brogdon have completely different games.

Yes, different styles. But it'll be nice to see Murray demonstrating the same year-on-year development that Brogdon displayed.

[GSH]

White does well when he catches off the swing and he's moving. You can see when it's up to him to initiate that he has to rely on craftiness to get a shot off (like a fade away or bump, etc..)


I was going to reply to this during the game but got busy.

If White can initiate and absorb contact, and use it to get a good shot? That's an NBA skill. You also mentioned him not looking that fast, but sometimes being able to light it up. I've heard guys referred to as "sneaky quick". I don't know yet if White is one of those, but his times in the combine looked pretty respectable. When I thought about PG's like that, my first thought was Chauncey Billups - and I think Billups was sort of the guy that White always wanted to emulate. I'm not saying he's another Chauncey Billups, but a crafty PG who can use contact to his advantage would be a good thing.

[south side spur]

I've been an advocate for White but we all need to relax regarding Murray. He's 20 fucking years old. He was probably feeling himself a little too much since he knew Parker would be out until mid season.
From his interviews he was already talking about being a leader and helping White and Blossomgame. He just didn't realize that White is actually more seasoned and is miles ahead of him offensively.
Its obvious Murray is pressing. He doesn't seem to be a bitchass so I expect him to realize he has to continue to grind on defense, facilitate on offense and eventually he'll get into a rhythm.
As far as him finishing on offense, yes it's balance and body control but it's also strength. Murray needs a couple more years in the program and he'll be ready.

[SpurPadre]

boban by a mile

Bonner, tbh.

[Play Boban]

boban by a mile
:cry

[steeledl]

but I am champion of apparently lost causes... I am going to have to take him under my wing too. :lol

Ha, he isn't a lost cause like Fathead but Spurs fan base predictably over hyped him. He will play well some games and validate those who want to be right but overall, he is not yet ready to be an NBA rotation player. That's not to say he never will be.... but he has a lot of work to do. The one thing he does have going for him is youth and athleticism which are two things you cant coach. He has a pretty good ceiling but a pretty low floor as well.

[SAGirl]

I've been an advocate for White but we all need to relax regarding Murray. He's 20 fucking years old. He was probably feeling himself a little too much since he knew Parker would be out until mid season.
From his interviews he was already talking about being a leader and helping White and Blossomgame. He just didn't realize that White is actually more seasoned and is miles ahead of him offensively.
Its obvious Murray is pressing. He doesn't seem to be a bitchass so I expect him to realize he has to continue to grind on defense, facilitate on offense and eventually he'll get into a rhythm.
As far as him finishing on offense, yes it's balance and body control but it's also strength. Murray needs a couple more years in the program and he'll be ready.

needs to keep grinding. Mr. Derrick White didn't look like this when he was 20 certainly, and JSimms didn't get drafted and didn't get into the NBA until he was 26 and a grown ass man already. That means, like many predicted when he was drafted he was going to be 2 or 3 years away with hard work from being a truly positive player. The comparison to Brogdon is also faulty (not you, others here) two different players, and Brogdon also improved a lot in college and got to the nBA at 24.. Dijon needs to keep pounding that rock.

[SAGirl]

Ha, he isn't a lost cause like Fathead but Spurs fan base predictably over hyped him. He will play well some games and validate those who want to be right but overall, he is not yet ready to be an NBA rotation player. That's not to say he never will be.... but he has a lot of work to do. The one thing he does have going for him is youth and athleticism which are two things you cant coach. He has a pretty good ceiling but a pretty low floor as well.

I was using humor. I wanted Dijon to get drafted and I knew of all his faults in college, but when Spurs keep drafting at the end of the first rounds guys are going to be projects in one way or another. He couldn't shoot worth a lick and that was why he fell so low in the draft. Had he been a lottery draftee like some predicted (analysts even ESPN analysts,) he would have been a bust, but at the 29th pick with his physical tools he has a future, but obviously between now and there, there is a long stretch of work/time/effort he needs to put in. It must be a humbling experience.

----
[BTW Kyle is not a lost cause.]:wakeup

[TheDoctor]

I'm just glad we keep getting them steal of the draft players tbh :drunk

[TheDoctor]

I totally doubt, if Apa was a chick, she would be hot.
100%

A 100% hot gay or bisexual chick. Remember that she wanted to have sex w/ her aunt.

[DPG21920]

So evidently Murray is on some type of minutes restriction per Jabari

[TheDoctor]

So evidently Murray is on some type of minutes restriction per Jabari
Ah, of course, I think that explains his 0-10 performance. And here I was thinking the worst. Bad bad Doctor :shootme

[tmtcsc]

Murray needs to get over himself....and why the hell isn't he hanging out with Chip this summer instead of Kawhi ? The Klaw doesn't have time for that foolishness.

[Hoops Czar]

Ah, of course, I think that explains his 0-10 performance. And here I was thinking the worst. Bad bad Doctor :shootme

Pop doesn't want his ace in the hole getting injured in a summer league game. Apparently, he's already big time. The Summer league is for those who need development.

[steeledl]

Pop doesn't want his ace in the hole getting injured in a summer league game. Apparently, he's already big time. The Summer league is for those who need development.

Granted, Spurs staff and FO have seen him a lot more in practice..... but still, this cant feel good.

[SAGirl]

So evidently Murray is on some type of minutes restriction per Jabari
Wow. Just 15 minutes last game and 20 in this one? Recovering from the injury still? It's been a long time and he played in the playoffs...

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Murray is so bad.

[duncan2k5]

Why are we worried about Murray? He has had much better games last year against actual NBA teams...now we are worried and think he sucks because of 2 bad summer league games? Come on now...even lebrons sucked in the summer league to the point where there were whispers of him being a bust... Murray needs work, but he is definitely gonna be a great PG...

And plz dont mention Forbes...we have seen what he can do in actual NBA games...can't get into the paint, can't defend, and is scared to shoot...he is a worse version of patty mills

[Snaq O'Meal]

If Forbes keeps this up, PATFO will offer him a $50 million 4 year contract too.

[ceperez]

Yes, different styles. But it'll be nice to see Murray demonstrating the same year-on-year development that Brogdon displayed.

Brogdon? Did he not play 4 years in college?

[ceperez]

Why are we worried about Murray? He has had much better games last year against actual NBA teams...now we are worried and think he sucks because of 2 bad summer league games? Come on now...even lebrons sucked in the summer league to the point where there were whispers of him being a bust... Murray needs work, but he is definitely gonna be a great PG...

And plz dont mention Forbes...we have seen what he can do in actual NBA games...can't get into the paint, can't defend, and is scared to shoot...he is a worse version of patty mills

Forbes scored 27 points against an NBA team. This was a game where they were double teaming him in the perimeter!

Yeah, sure he isn't as athletic or as long as Murray, but 3 point shooting is more valuable in this league than one-on-one street ball play.

What Murray is missing is the skills that White just exhibited the last game. Able to shoot of the dribble, able to take it to hole in a fast break. White is just so much more skilled than Murray.

[DeRozan m8]

Like he could do shit against real teams in real moments... Lol PlayBoban (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49799)

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/boban-marjanovic-steven-adams.jpg

[Fireball]

yeah, Boban was a human victory cigar, but he was the best the Spurs ever had ...

[Snaq O'Meal]

Brogdon? Did he not play 4 years in college?

Yup. If Murray can show the same rate of development as Brogdon did in college, the Spurs will have a gem in their hands. To expect Murray to develop in the same rate as Kawhi will be a tad unrealistic.

[jermaine]

Forbes scored 27 points against an NBA team. This was a game where they were double teaming him in the perimeter!

Yeah, sure he isn't as athletic or as long as Murray, but 3 point shooting is more valuable in this league than one-on-one street ball play.

What Murray is missing is the skills that White just exhibited the last game. Able to shoot of the dribble, able to take it to hole in a fast break. White is just so much more skilled than Murray.

I agree with this.... I'd love to let white be our starting SG an trade Danny.... I seen Forbes against the Macs in person an he was lighting it up. Lil dude got game bro!!!

[ceperez]

Yup. If Murray can show the same rate of development as Brogdon did in college, the Spurs will have a gem in their hands. To expect Murray to develop in the same rate as Kawhi will be a tad unrealistic.

That's why White who played 4 years may be a lot better prepared despite Murray's one year in college.

Realistically, Spurs need to surround Leonard with shooters. I like that Bertans and Forbes seem to play well in tandem. Those two standing out there in 3 point land probing the interior defense and passing to each other is really deadly. Those two in the perimeter single handedly blew away a more talented and athletic Boston. This is despite Murray going 0-13 (or something like that).

[ceperez]

I agree with this.... I'd love to let white be our starting SG an trade Danny.... I seen Forbes against the Macs in person an he was lighting it up. Lil dude got game bro!!!

He is 6'4" 1/2 (with shoes ) with 6'7 wingspan. But here's the interesting stat... 35.5" vertical.

Anyway, not that short.

Murray is listed also at 6'5' (with shoes) with 6'9" wingspan.

Anyway, Murray will have to learn how to shoot. If not, he's not going to be on the court much.

[jermaine]

Murray has talent an quickness.... I like most of his passes too. But he just doesn't look as calm as White. That's that 4yrs of collage I guess.

[jermaine]

He is 6'4" 1/2 (with shoes ) with 6'7 wingspan. But here's the interesting stat... 35.5" vertical.

Anyway, not that short.

Murray is listed also at 6'5' (with shoes) with 6'9" wingspan.

Anyway, Murray will have to learn how to shoot. If not, he's not going to be on the court much.

I'm wondering what does Murray work on when he's at the gym at 12am?

[ceperez]

I'm wondering what does Murray work on when he's at the gym at 12am?

I am not sure, but he hasn't shown that he can shoot yet.

Perhaps Spurs want to turn him into a Westbrook type player: http://www.nba.com/games/20170705/BOSSAS#/boxscore

10 rebounds.

[GSH]

If Forbes keeps this up, PATFO will offer him a $50 million 4 year contract too.


In before, "In today's markrt, 4/90 is cheap."

[jermaine]

I am not sure, but he hasn't shown that he can shoot yet.

Perhaps Spurs want to turn him into a Westbrook type player: http://www.nba.com/games/20170705/BOSSAS#/boxscore

10 rebounds.

Him an these bullshit floaters. He missed some bunnies too! I guess I've gotten spoiled watching Parker use the spin move an finish. I've never seen Murray spin once.

[ceperez]

Him an these bullshit floaters. He missed some bunnies too! I guess I've gotten spoiled watching Parker use the spin move an finish. I've never seen Murray spin once.

White is the guy who has the dribbling skills like Parker. Murray's dribbling is highly suspect.

[jermaine]

White is the guy who has the dribbling skills like Parker. Murray's dribbling is highly suspect.

Jamal Crawford is his hero. Only he's not as good as Crawford. But that's exactly where his streetball style comes from. His high ass dribble will keep getting him ripped....

[picnroll]

I'm wondering what does Murray work on when he's at the gym at 12am?

Floaters from the three point line.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I love little Forbes but him going scorched earth and Murray/White sucking balls was a worst case scenario for a SL game outcome.

[duncan2k5]

U guys aren't good evaluators of talent if you think Forbes belongs anywhere near the roster...he is gun shy and horrible on defense, plus he can't penetrate... How isn't he a worse version of patty?? And most of us want patty gone...Murray has an aggressiveness and gets to the rim at ease...when he played with actual NBA talent, he was good...Same can't be said for Forbes...Murray was the only PG that showed up for the playoffs when parker went down...mills and Forbes were beyond horrible...and Murray was 19! He has tons of upside, and he will get better...it took tony parker 10 years to get a reliable jumper, but even with that, he has been known to shy away from shooting because he didnt trust it in the playoffs...if we want to b mediocre, we go with anyone except Murray as the starter...with Murray starting, we have the opportunity to surprise ppl