2017 Utah Summer League Game 3: Spurs vs 76ers - 6 p.m. CST - 2 a.m. Riga

[ace3g]

Spurs vs Jonah Bolden

Day 3 – July 6

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Location

Jon M. Huntsman Center



TV Broadcast

NBATV

[spurs10]

Will this be on WatchESPN?

[BillMc]

:flag:

[TheDoctor]

Will this be on WatchESPN?
Most likely. Last two were :tu

[spurs10]

Most likely. Last two were :tu :bobo

[xellos88330]

I can't watch this one unfortunately. I have advanced to the state tennis tournament by some miracle and am practicing with my team tonight. I will however record this game. I hope Murray, White and Bertans show me something special.

[jermaine]

Murray needs to have a Great gm.

[SPURt]

Murray needs to have a Great gm.
You don't approve of RC Buford?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Murray needs to have a Great gm.

He does...RC Buford.

[ace3g]

Last night the games were also streaming on this site:

http://www.nba.com/jazz/summerleague/2017/

[Chinook]

You don't approve of RC Buford?

Probably not. He didn't approve of Tim Duncan.

[NASpurs]

In ten minutes or so

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

Livestream Livestream available for viewers that are 75 miles outside of downtown SLC.

http://www.nba.com/jazz/summerleague/2017/

[Russ]

Sixers protecting Fultz from Murray?

[ace3g]

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[jyra]

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[ace3g]

Forbes on fire still

[Russ]

Sixers protecting Fultz from Murray?

I mean Forbes . . . :lol

[r0drig0lac]

Forbes again

[Mr. Body]

883099066514550785

Yeah, he doesn't need the work :eyesroll

[Mr. Body]

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Traded? :wakeup

[Big Empty]

Forbes a new Gary Neal?

[Russ]

Yeah, he doesn't need the work :eyesroll

Saving Murray for the bright lights of Vegas.

[Chinook]

Bolden with the epic-dumbass move. What's with all these no-IQ bigs?

[TheDoctor]

Forbes :wow

Patty's on trade watch tbh

[TimDunkem]

Shittingt:loln

[Russ]

I love White for the Spurs.

I don't know what his nickname will be -- but it won't be "White Flight."

[Chinook]

White with the horrible entry pass.

[DPG21920]

White with the horrible entry pass.

That was bad, but I'll give him a pass

Hate that Murray is out. Minutes restriction and now resting in a year where SA has no starting PG and he clearly needs a lot of work? WTF

[GSH]

That was bad, but I'll give him a pass

Hate that Murray is out. Minutes restriction and now resting in a year where SA has no starting PG and he clearly needs a lot of work? WTF


Are they saying why the minutes restriction?

[Chinook]

POPS

[ace3g]

White with another rushed bad pass...

[DPG21920]

Are they saying why the minutes restriction?

I asked but nothing yet. Will let everyone know if I hear anything.

[TheDoctor]

Andre Roberson imposing his will on that commentator

"Probably the best perimeter defender in the NBA"

:wow

[Chinook]

White keeps turning it over or trying to.

[Mr. Body]

Murray has been moved with Simmons in a sign and trade for Carmelo Anthony.

[NASpurs]

:sleep

[GSH]

That was a sweet little shot by White.

[dabom]

Forehead almost broke the hardwood. :lol

[DPG21920]

PHI athleticism is giving White FITS! They have no problem staying in front of White and cutting off every single move he makes.

[DPG21920]

Is White drunk :lmao

[ace3g]

Cleanthony finally in

[Keepin' it real]

Playoff atmosphere.

[ace3g]

Cady quick 5 pts.

[NASpurs]

Playoff atmosphere.

Reminds me of the AT&T Center when the herd hasn't filed in yet.

[ace3g]

Make that 7 pts for Cady

[Russ]

#25 looks gooood.

[Chinook]

Dude flopped hardcore. Lay on the ground like he was dead.

[GSH]

Nice job by Cady getting in position to take that pass deep.

[ceperez]

Make that 7 pts for Cady

Showing all kinds of offense, 3 point, midrange and in the paint.

[dabom]

Good insight at the SL. wth...

[ceperez]

I just realized.... could Pau just sign with the Grizzlies to end his career?

[TimDunkem]

Jabari Young confirms the Spurs aren't making any deals or signing anyone new except for maybe a Joel Anthony type during training camp.

[GSH]

I just realized.... could Pau just sign with the Grizzlies to end his career?

He could do anything right now. FA. Ask Marc Cuban about it. :lol

[TheDoctor]

I have the sound down on the stream. He said that? :lol Imagine. The DPOY being forced to play SL.

He was talking about how OKC "may has had so far the best Offseason with their premier signings and the re-signing of Andre Roberson, probably the best perimeter defender in the NBA."

[DPG21920]

Jabari completely dodged the Murray questions. Gave no reason why he was resting but did say that White has not jumped him despite a poor showing so far.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Shittington is shockingly bad!

[John Petrucci]

Geez this is some ugly basketball even for Summer League

[TheDoctor]

Shittington gotta be RC's illegitimate son or something. I can see him paying in Fiji's Basketball League tho.

[dabom]

When 2 teams are evenly matched, it can look ugly.

[dabom]

LOL. See, I was thinking this looked better than a lot of what we saw in SL last year.

Fathead ain't playing. It's actually watchable.

[keithington1]

Derrick White is going through it right now. He's thinking wayyy too much. Someone tell him to PLAY BALL not THINK. This is great I think.

[John Petrucci]

LOL. See, I was thinking this looked better than a lot of what we saw in SL last year.

:lol Maybe I just remember it fondly cuz we did so well. I don't remember last year looking so Keystone Cops out there.

[John Petrucci]

I saw someone mention it previously but Forbes looks quicker these days...am I just seeing that? First step and dribbling looks so much improved.

Makes me wonder what his training has been like.

[Mr. Body]

Fathead ain't playing. It's actually watchable.

He'd be the best player out there. Take that as you will.

[John Petrucci]

He'd be the best player out there. Take that as you will.

I very much enjoyed watching him slowly destroy everyone last SL.

[SpursforSix]

That was bad, but I'll give him a pass

Hate that Murray is out. Minutes restriction and now resting in a year where SA has no starting PG and he clearly needs a lot of work? WTF

:pop: I just resigned our starting PG for 4 years. Keep up.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Furkin' Kockmess with a blooper play!

[ace3g]

Blossomgame with the corner 3!!!

[TheDoctor]

Go Summer Spurs Go!

:flag:

[KDKSpurs24]

Forbes has improved a lot of aspects of his game. He seems to have put in a lot of work. He can penetrate and kick and he's making smart extra passes. All he needs is that supreme confidence that the top shooters in the league have and he can definitely have an impact as a specialist off the bench?

[TheDoctor]

Wow, Rudy Gay.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Holy fuck... LJC with a move!

[Russ]

Wow, Rudy Gay.

That's what I was hoping. The one guy GS didn't get.

[ace3g]

Nice spin move and dunk by LJC

[Chinook]

Livio!

[Chinook]

That shot was terrible :lol

[Snaq O'Meal]

Blonde ponytail chick can ball.

[Russ]

Jabari Young confirms the Spurs aren't making any deals or signing anyone new except for maybe a Joel Anthony type during training camp.

Yeah, right.

[NASpurs]

Ledbetter looks like Becky Hammon in a Spurs uniform (from a distance)

[Snaq O'Meal]

Ledbetter looks like Becky Hammon in a Spurs uniform (from a distance)

Except Becky is more skilled. Ledbetter's last few possessions were ugly.

[cd98]

I thought he was a Pearl Jam song.

[Chinook]

Fucking Hanlan.

[GSH]

Nice stop and pop by forbes

[spurraider21]

im really glad forbes is showing up so he can receive 0 rotation minutes because we're paying patty 50 mil

[steeledl]

Did Murray play himself out of SL rotation? Just got home from work.

[GSH]

Spurs with 18 AST ad 23 TO.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ADIunO7Wk&feature

[Chinook]

They should bring in literally anybody else to coach in Vegas.

[Snaq O'Meal]

They should bring in literally anybody else to coach in Vegas.

Becky can try coaching through Skype.

[SilverSpur]

GO FORBES GO !!

[HarlemHeat37]

Would love to see my girl SAGirl coach Summer League one day, tbh..

[tholdren]

Would love to see my girl SAGirl coach Summer League one day, tbh..

Would rather see 5 pau gasols on spurs

[tholdren]

Who is worse early or livio?

[ceperez]

Forbes has improved a lot of aspects of his game. He seems to have put in a lot of work. He can penetrate and kick and he's making smart extra passes. All he needs is that supreme confidence that the top shooters in the league have and he can definitely have an impact as a specialist off the bench?

He should try to extend his range like Bertans. Bertans is a good shooter, but it appears that Forbes may be an even better shooter.

[TheGreatYacht]

Derrick White has been god awful. That RC "steal"

[Russ]

Ledbetter looks like Becky Hammon in a Spurs uniform (from a distance)

Not according to Tony . . .

[MaNu4Tres]

Derrick White has been god awful. That RC "steal"

He's being used as a wing, which is a mistake. He's been meh, I would have preferred Jordan Bell, Jonah Bolden or Josh Hart.

The best chance for White to have a shot to stick in this league will be at PG, he doesn't have the size to excel at the SG or wing. Same with Forbes. Forbes best shot to stick in this league will be to be like Patty.

Don't get why fans on here think Forbes is a wing.

[Chinook]

White is bigger than the average two-guard. He's not too small to be a wing, and he's certainly not agile enough to make it only guarding PGs. Forbes is an all-around better defender right now (at least in attitude). I don't think position really matters when you consider where to put them. Modern NBA and all that.

[raybies]

He's a rook. If history is any indication, he'll learn from his mistakes and come back better.

[MaNu4Tres]

White is bigger than the average two-guard. He's not too small to be a wing, and he's certainly not agile enough to make it only guarding PGs. Forbes is an all-around better defender right now (at least in attitude). I don't think position really matters when you consider where to put them. Modern NBA and all that.

He's not bigger than the avg. two guard. He's 6'3" w/out shoes.

Positions do matter if they can't defend the position you're slotting them at. It's harder to execute on both ends w/ inferior size. Only way they both can excel at SG is if they are playing a team that has 2 PGs on the floor.

Otherwise they'll be at an instant disadvantage.

It's like when Spurs played Mason/Hill at the 3 and 2 off the bench, that didn't go well.

[Chinook]

Positions do matter if they can't defend the position you're slotting them at. It's harder to execute on both ends w/out size. Only way they both can excel at SG is if they are playing a team that has 2 PGs on the floor.

In no way, shape or form is White an undersized two-guard.

[MaNu4Tres]

In no way, shape or form is White an undersized two-guard.

He'll have a harder time executing on both ends at the two. He won't make it very far there imo.

The best spot for him to reach his full potential will be at back up PG.

[Chinook]

He'll have a harder time executing on both ends at the two. He won't make it very far there imo.

Not everyone can be oversized for their position. White has demonstrated little ability to stay in front of guys this summer. It seems like it will be easier for him to guard guys his own size than it would it to keep up with small-more agile players.

[Truth4sale$]

Really disappointing summer league performance overall, with the exception of Forbes. He is showing he can play in this league. He knows he has to fight for his spot and looking to avoid the G league. I see him as a better version of Steve Kerr during the bulls championship years. The big men , among others are not being utilized. Cady Lalane, showed some brief flashes, and needs more run. I think Cleananthony showed nothing, along with Bentil. It's a shame, I think we know what we have in Bertans and Forbes, and they should have sat out like Murray. I really think Corey Jefferson night be pressing, and has shown some flashes. He posted up, attempted a few threes, and hustled and rebounded. Spurs NEED youth and athleticism in the front court. Enough with focus on combo guards.

[MaNu4Tres]

Not everyone can be oversized for their position. White has demonstrated little ability to stay in front of guys this summer. It seems like it will be easier for him to guard guys his own size than it would it to keep up with small-more agile players.

Its tougher for him to be effective offensively with bigger, more athletic guys checking him. His effectiveness goes down in this aspect, like we are seeing in SL. His best game was the first one -- which was when he played PG the most.

[Chinook]

Its tougher for him to be effective offensively with bigger, more athletic guys checking him. His effectiveness goes down in this aspect, like we are seeing in SL. His best game was the first one -- which was when he played PG the most.

He played PG the most in this most recent game, when team's starting PG wasn't there to take minutes from him. For some reason, you insist on classifying PG as the shortest player on the court. I can't think of a less useful definition. The Spurs can't control who guards him. If he's effective, he'll likely draw a wing, like Murray did against Boston. If he can't score on wings, he's not going to make it. You don't alter your roster to fit an 11th-man's game.

[Chinook]

Really disappointing summer league performance overall, with the exception of Forbes. He is showing he can play in this league. He knows he has to fight for his spot and looking to avoid the G league. I see him as a better version of Steve Kerr during the bulls championship years. The big men , among others are not being utilized. Cady Lalane, showed some brief flashes, and needs more run. I think Cleananthony showed nothing, along with Bentil. It's a shame, I think we know what we have in Bertans and Forbes, and they should have sat out like Murray. I really think Corey Jefferson night be pressing, and has shown some flashes. He posted up, attempted a few threes, and hustled and rebounded. Spurs NEED youth and athleticism in the front court. Enough with focus on combo guards.

I was going to say, I'm actually pretty happy with Cady as well. I'm hoping Murray just has to settle in. I can't say enough how little I think of Hardy's ability as a lead coach, though.

[MaNu4Tres]

For some reason, you insist on classifying PG as the shortest player on the court. I can't think of a less useful definition. The Spurs can't control who guards him. If he's effective, he'll likely draw a wing, like Murray did against Boston. If he can't score on wings, he's not going to make it. You don't alter your roster to fit an 11th-man's game.


I don't really see labels, I see skill sets. White has the skillset to have the potential to be a the lead guard/play-maker off the bench. I just don't think he has the burst, change of speeds, acceleration to excel at as much if he's up against bigger players on both ends of the floor. Size does matter and it limits effectiveness, especially if White is going up against bigger size that has better athletic ability. My assessment is that White will have the best chance to flourish as a back up lead guard/play-maker -- being the smallest guy on the court for the Spurs -- like Vasquez did with Memphis.

[Chinook]

I don't really see labels, I see skill sets. White has the skillset to have the potential to be a the lead guard/play-maker off the bench. I just don't think he has the burst, change of speeds, acceleration to excel at as much if he's up against bigger players on both ends of the floor. Size does matter and it limits effectiveness, especially if White is going up against bigger size that has better athletic ability. My assessment is that White will have the best chance to flourish as a back up lead guard/play-maker -- being the smallest guy on the court for the Spurs -- like Vasquez did with Memphis.

Vasquez was bigger than the two-guards he played with. His most common back-court partner in Memphis was OJ Mayo, who incidentally is smaller than White is (second-most common was Ish Smith, before you think I'm pulling one over on you). Vasquez has been the bigger guard for most of his career.

[MaNu4Tres]

Vasquez was bigger than the two-guards he played with. His most common back-court partner in Memphis was OJ Mayo, who incidentally is smaller than White is (second-most common was Ish Smith, before you think I'm pulling one over on you). Vasquez has been the bigger guard for most of his career.

Mayo was the same size as White. Vasquez had his best years playing w/ Mayo. And Mayo was fine at the SG because he had the burst and acceleration offensively to turn corners vs. other wings. I don't see that with White, I think the size will bother him because he lacks the burst, acceleration needed to execute consistently offensively on the NBA level.

White has a better chance to succeed as back up PG next to Simmons or Hanga opposed to being the back up SG, playing next to Mills the next 4 years. IMO

If White is strictly getting minutes at the 2, I don't see him sticking long term. In retrospect, I personally liked James Anderson a lot more as a SG prospect compared to White as a SG prospect -- it's a shame James broke his foot.

[Chinook]

Mayo was the same size as White. Vasquez had his best years playing w/ Mayo. And Mayo was fine at the SG because he had the burst and acceleration offensively to turn corners vs. other wings. I don't see that White.

White has a better chance to succeed as back up PG next to Simmons or Hanga opposed to being the back up SG, playing next to Mills the next 4 years.

Mayo is the same height with shorter arms. Regardless, Vasquez has pretty much never been the smallest guy on the court, like you suggested. I have to admit, though, the idea that SG takes more athleticism to play than PG argument is a new one. I definitely don't think Hanga is too good on offense to force teams to play PGs on White, though I guess Simmons might not be.

Could a White/Murray back court work in your eyes?

[MaNu4Tres]

I have to admit, though, the idea that SG takes more athleticism to play than PG argument is a new one. I definitely don't think Hanga is too good on offense to force teams to play PGs on White, though I guess Simmons might not be.

Could a White/Murray back court work in your eyes?

For smaller SGs it does take more athleticism than what White has. In this case, it takes more athleticism to execute consistently because he'd be going up against longer athletic players. At PG, he doesn't have to have great athleticism because he has the size to execute despite average athletic ability. Does that make any sense to you?

In regards to White, a White/Murray back court would work better than Mills/White.

[Truth4sale$]

Although, I am not enthusiastic about White as i am of Murray, I see the Spurs selection as looking long term, and present uncertainty with Ginobili, Simmons, and Green a free agent next year. WHITE has a ceiling of Green, if he puts on some muscle. Sometimes basketball IQ outplays athleticism and height, etc. From what I read and hear of white speak, he has the maturity, IQ, and determination to overcome athleticism and height concerns. But don't expect much this year except great stats in Austin.

[Chinook]

For smaller SGs it does take more athleticism than what White has. In this case, it takes more athleticism to execute consistently because he'd be going up against longer athletic players. At PG, he doesn't have to have great athleticism because he has the size to execute despite average athletic ability. Does that make any sense to you?

In regards to White, a White/Murray back court would work better than Mills/White.

To me, your argument is like saying Kyle is a better two-guard than PF because he's way taller and longer than the average SG. Size does make up for athleticism, but skill makes up for it too. White shouldn't be trying to take guys one-on-one, big or small. He'll need to learn to use his body coming off screens to seal his man.

[MaNu4Tres]

To me, your argument is like saying Kyle is a better two-guard than PF because he's way taller and longer than the average SG. Size does make up for athleticism, but skill makes up for it too. White shouldn't be trying to take guys one-on-one, big or small. He'll need to learn to use his body coming off screens to seal his man.

Not really at all. There's context to it, Kyle has an array of skills and hesitation/acceleration at PF that gives him a slight edge there (since most PFs aren't as quick/athletic as wings are). He's actually more effective as a 4 than a wing because of this. He's more effective off close outs at the 4 when he's spotting up because he's being guarded by slower footed players. Not to mention, he's actually solid defending at the 4, because he's able to defend in space, switch PnRs well.

Again, White will be able to use his body more effectively against smaller guys.

[sasaint]

Not really at all. There's context to it, Kyle has an array of skills and hesitation/acceleration at PF that gives him a slight edge there (since most PFs aren't as quick/athletic as wings are). He's actually more effective as a 4 than a wing because of this. He's more effective off close outs at the 4 when he's spotting up because he's being guarded by slower footed players.

Again, White will be able to use his body more effectively against smaller guys.

Unless Gay starts at the 4, I expect Kyle to. And White has shown plenty of ability to get to the hole and finish. I think his size is a non-issue.

[MaNu4Tres]

Unless Gay starts at the 4, I expect Kyle to. And White has shown plenty of ability to get to the hole and finish. I think his size is a non-issue.

I think Gay starts at the 4. It's easy to assume that came up in negotiations. Its another contract year, he's only 30 years old, he took less money. Hard to imagine he'd be okay with back up minutes behind Kawhi when those minutes are very limited.

Nothing is ever promised, but Pop probably laid out that scenario with him at the 4 and Kawhi at the 3. He has to earn it, but it shouldn't be too difficult if he's healthy and right.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think his size is a non-issue.

It's only an issue at SG because his athleticism is average at best imo. You need good size with avg athleticism or you can be like White's size but need more athleticism to really excel. IMO.

[sasaint]

It's only an issue at SG because his athleticism is average at best imo. You need good size with avg athleticism or you can be like White's size but need more athleticism to really excel. IMO.

I think he is a PG who can move over to SG for a few minutes. But I think he will essentially make it or break it as a PG.

[MaNu4Tres]

I think he is a PG who can move over to SG for a few minutes. But I think he will essentially make it or break it as a PG.

My thoughts as well.