LVSL Game 2: SA v PHI

[DPG21920]

Quick and dirty game thread to post in.

[ace3g]

I would like to see Murray attempt more jumpers even if he misses.

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[ace3g]

San Antonio Spurs spurs
(https://twitter.com/spurs) now (https://twitter.com/spurs/status/884239389869563904)
#SummerSpurs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SummerSpurs)

Starting Five:
@DejounteMurray (https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/)
@BrynjForbes (https://twitter.com/BrynjForbes/)
@DBertans_42 (https://twitter.com/DBertans_42/)
@JaronBgame (https://twitter.com/JaronBgame/)
@Whittington21 (https://twitter.com/Whittington21/)

[DPG21920]

^ Me too. I know he's probably being told to work on dishing, but I would like to see that come from his ability to drive and score and creat shots. Then dish. Don't just make passes for the sake of making passes with not putting guys into positive spots.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEVzA-8XgAA0rPZ.jpg:large

[Rito3d30]

So White is not playing this game

[Chinook]

Murray kept fucking up, for Bryn had to step in.

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray is the anti-Kyrie in the paint :depressed

[cd98]

Is it genetically possible to merge Forbes' skills with Murray's body?

[BatManu20]

Forbes has a knack for hitting tough shots.

[DPG21920]

Every time I see the box scores after the game I'm shocked to see that Blossomgame doesnt have every damn rebound :lol

[Chinook]

Murray's potential on full display during that finish.

[ace3g]

Bolden showing some nice handles...

[TheGreatYacht]

Shittington is not only shit, he's a fouling shit

[Chinook]

If Shittington can go for the foul, he will. I'm glad he's on the team, though. These games would be so dull without him.

[DPG21920]

Murray's potential on full display during that finish.

Chinook, can you get involved in the off season thread please :lol. I really can't figure out what the hold up is with SA signing Mills & Pau other than the hard cap coming into play in resigning Pau/Simmons?

[BatManu20]

There you go Murray. Nice finish.

[ace3g]

Bolden rips Murray...

[tonight...you]

Chinook, can you get involved in the off season thread please :lol. I really can't figure out what the hold up is with SA signing Mills & Pau other than the hard cap coming into play in resigning Pau/Simmons?
Lol, like you're telling the waitress to get the manager and she's one and the same.
No offense, Chinook.

[Chinook]

Chinook, can you get involved in the off season thread please :lol. I really can't figure out what the hold up is with SA signing Mills & Pau other than the hard cap coming into play in resigning Pau/Simmons?

They'll need to be more cap conscious if they use the LLE. It's not just the apron. They'd probably like to avoid the tax if possible. How much they give Pau (and for how long) and how they structure Mills' deal can mean a few million.

[ceperez]

Murray can't even hit free throws.

[Chinook]

Does "Livio" mean "stone hands" in French?

[TheGreatYacht]

If only Bertans had Bolden's arms, and not T-Rex's

[SAGirl]

I am late for this one.
Spurs up.
:flag:
White hurt last game?

[TheDoctor]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEVzA-8XgAA0rPZ.jpg:large

#FullSquad

That's unusual for the Spurs. They gotta be hella serious (or scared) about this Season. Reduced(they're in Vegas after all) vacations, scouting talent, among other things.

[Chinook]

Who's that dude interview Simmons? Sloppiest mouth I've ever seen.

[ceperez]

#FullSquad

That's unusual for the Spurs. They gotta be hella serious (or scared) about this Season. Reduced(they're in Vegas after all) vacations, scouting talent, among other things.

Are they watching other SL games or just the Spurs? Perhaps they are looking for another Simmons?

[Chinook]

Livio with the PG skills :wow

[SAGirl]

#FullSquad

That's unusual for the Spurs. They gotta be hella serious (or scared) about this Season. Reduced(they're in Vegas after all) vacations, scouting talent, among other things.
I imagine they are evaluating the guard situation up close and personal. It's unusual but they must be concerned one of these guys is going to start the season for the Spurs?

[SAGirl]

Forbes with the bad foul.. guys sometimes don't look like they are trying..
I see White out there now.
Trimming lineups maybe for the next round? Must win game?

[Chinook]

Forbes with the bad foul.. guys sometimes don't look like they are trying..
I see White out there now.
Trimming lineups maybe for the next round? Must win game?

All teams make the playoffs, so the records in these first three games don't actually matter.

[tonight...you]

#FullSquad

That's unusual for the Spurs. They gotta be hella serious (or scared) about this Season. Reduced(they're in Vegas after all) vacations, scouting talent, among other things.
Good catch.

[SAGirl]

Thanks for that info. I didn't know that. :tu

[ace3g]

We can't handle full court press...

[ceperez]

#FullSquad

That's unusual for the Spurs. They gotta be hella serious (or scared) about this Season. Reduced(they're in Vegas after all) vacations, scouting talent, among other things.

With Hanga out, perhaps they are scouting for a potential replacement. I am guessing that replacement isn't in the current SL Spurs roster.

[Atl Spur]

I imagine they are evaluating the guard situation up close and personal. It's unusual but they must be concerned one of these guys is going to start the season for the Spurs?

They'll just have Kawhi handle it more like lebron does😉 I hope

[spurs10]

Nice White!

[TheGreatYacht]

Good recovery by Bertans, who once again fell asleep instead of rebounding

[Chinook]

Spurs play a lot of 3PG lineups. I wonder if having Murray and White on the team will encourage Pop to do that in the big league. There are three main ways to "go small" in the NBA. We talk a lot about the three-wings option, but the three-guards option can't be dismissed.

[Ditty]

I hope Jefferson gets a training camp. He seemed like he can be a really good player.

[Chinook]

Nice White!

White?

[TheDoctor]

I imagine they are evaluating the guard situation up close and personal. It's unusual but they must be concerned one of these guys is going to start the season for the Spurs?

Definitely. The uncertainty about the team's guard rotation gotta be worrying until HoTS return from injury.

[Chinook]

I hope Jefferson gets a training camp. He seemed like he can be a really good player.

Am I watching a different game than everyone else? Neither White or Jefferson is even in the plans to play today.

[DPG21920]

Spurs play a lot of 3PG lineups. I wonder if having Murray and White on the team will encourage Pop to do that in the big league. There are three main ways to "go small" in the NBA. We talk a lot about the three-wings option, but the three-guards option can't be dismissed.

Yeesh. With the Spurs current guard rotation, that would be some pretty low level talent on the floor together and definitley some questionable defense from them too.

[Chinook]

Yeesh. With the Spurs current guard rotation, that would be some pretty low level talent on the floor together and definitley some questionable defense from them too.

You can see the logic behind it though. Having Murray, Hanlan and Forbes together means three guys can interchangeably run plays. Something like Mills, Murray and White would probably take the offensive pressure off all three of them. It wouldn't be a main lineup, but if that's Pop's goal for the future, it would make sense why they kept Mills and drafted two big PGs.

[spurs10]

White?
:bang I think it was a 3 by Forbes.

[FkLA]

Cliff notes? Why is the blonde chick playing so early?

[TimDunkem]

Dejounte Murray playing like Bill Murray out there.

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray with a selfish high floater instead of passing it to the open guy that he clearly saw. Pop's gotta be fuming

[Chinook]

Ledbetter than Murray right now.

[TheDoctor]

Are they watching other SL games or just the Spurs? Perhaps they are looking for another Simmons?

They got to be watching other teams talent too. Would be the smartest thing to do after having called the main coaching staff.

[ceperez]

Ledbetter than Murray right now.

:bobo

[SAGirl]

Well the team is ahead despite Dijon not bc of him.

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray 2/7, 1ast, 4TO

:depressed Get well soon MVParker

[SAGirl]

Ledbetter than Murray right now.
He does at times look like the worst guard in the Summer league team..
damn.

[Pavlov]

#FullSquad

That's unusual for the Spurs. They gotta be hella serious (or scared) about this Season. Reduced(they're in Vegas after all) vacations, scouting talent, among other things.Where else would NBA staff be?

[ceperez]

The entire coaching staff is now watching the disaster known as Murray.

[Atl Spur]

Murray is so careless with the pill; need to work on fundamentals😳 It seems right now he rather look good than be good..... I wonder if Kawhi is gonna give it to him raw and uncut🤔

[TheGreatYacht]

They got to be watching other teams talent too. Would be the smartest thing to do after having called the main coaching staff.
They better sign Troy Williams from the Rockets before they re-sign him. He's balling for their SL team

[ceperez]

Where else would NBA staff be?

I think it's unusual for the full staff to be watching SL.

[Keepin' it real]

Dejounte Murray playing like Bill Murray out there.

Wow, high praise! Bill Murray has enjoyed a great acting career. Might be a bit premature to associate that kind of sustained success to a second-year player like DJM, but I like it!

[Atl Spur]

Murray with a selfish high floater instead of passing it to the open guy that he clearly saw. Pop's gotta be fuming

This

[Pavlov]

I think it's unusual for the full staff to be watching SL.Not sit together all time.

[TheDoctor]

With Hanga out, perhaps they are scouting for a potential replacement. I am guessing that replacement isn't in the current SL Spurs roster.

Even me would be looking for replacements/talent beyond the Summer Spurs roster tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Shittington is not only shit, he's a fouling shit

White Americans :lol

[Spurs9]

Forbes looking much improved from last year. :tu

[SAGirl]

Bryn probably plays next season. Needs to stay that confident.

[spurs10]

What is wrong with White?

[SAGirl]

Good recovery by Bertans, who once again fell asleep instead of rebounding
I can't see Bertans as a starting forward with that lack of rebounding.

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi browsing houses in LA every minute he watches his future teamates :lol

[Darkwaters]

Pop is out here at the game tonight rocking a small pony tail. Trying to get a pic

[spurraider21]

forbes looking ready for rotation minutes with the big boys just makes the mills signing more dubious

[apalisoc_9]

Harden has paul
Curry-Durant-Draymond
Westbrook-Geroge
Lebron-Kyrie


Kawhi-Davis Bertans and 40 year old Manu :lol

[Darkwaters]

Ok apparently not. The back of his hair is just a mess. Been sweating in the Vegas heat. The arena is really humid

[ducks]

White Americans :lol

Enough racist snowflake

[SuperCam]

who was the last all star guard who looked like a scrub in their second summer league season?

:cry untouchable :cry :lmao

[SAGirl]

Am I watching a different game than everyone else? Neither White or Jefferson is even in the plans to play today.
I saw both White and Jefferson.
they are not in the boxscore.
Summer league glitches.

[picnroll]

Wow, high praise! Bill Murray has enjoyed a great acting career. Might be a bit premature to associate that kind of sustained success to a second-year player like DJM, but I like it!
Neck and neck for comic relief.

[SAGirl]

Murray with a selfish high floater instead of passing it to the open guy that he clearly saw. Pop's gotta be fuming
I saw that.
then to top it off, he missed that high floater.

[TheGreatYacht]

I can't see Bertans as a starting forward with that lack of rebounding.
I have hope Bertans will get at least 1 rebound by the end of this game

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray benched in the summer league. Holy shit...

[Chinook]

To be honest, I had Murray on a three-year plan toward becoming the Spurs' starter. I wanted him to work on his body in year one and them his shooting in year two before he worked on his play-making in year three. We know he'll be better in the regular season, but I wanted him to have until 2018 before having to start.

[south side spur]

I saw both White and Jefferson.
they are not in the boxscore.
Summer league glitches.

White is wearing a polo it might've been Forbes or Hanlan. They're probably just being cautious with his ankle

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi browsing houses in LA every minute he watches his future teamates :lol
Bryn Forbes looking like the best prospect on the roster :lol

Give that man some plane tickets to go train with Kawhi....

[SuperCam]

Murray benched in the summer league. Holy shit...

819030057163235328


senile PATFO :bang

[Chinook]

I saw both White and Jefferson.
they are not in the boxscore.
Summer league glitches.

Jefferson and White are not playing today. Cady had the backup C spot while White was replaced by Ledbetter.

[SAGirl]

White is wearing a polo it might've been Forbes or Hanlan. They're probably just being cautious with his ankle
:toast
Thanks for the update. I did come in to watch the game half way ...

[SAGirl]

Jefferson and White are not playing today. Cady had the backup C spot while White was replaced by Ledbetter.
Thanks for the update.
I swear I saw white playing but I must have confused him ...

[ace3g]

Forbes with "almost" poster attempt

[Chinook]

Forbes got that magic touch.

[apalisoc_9]

Enough racist snowflake
C'mon brah. You can't hit me with these troll post of yours :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

819030057163235328


senile PATFO :bang
Meanwhile Kerr And The Front Office are turning ASAP Rocky into a star


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW31tcK6vso&feature=share

[SAGirl]

Bryn has had his share of TO as well... concerning too if he's the main ballhandler.
At least he is scoring...

[apalisoc_9]

Spurmfans thinking Kawhi staying is a sure thing. :lmao

[TheDoctor]

Where else would NBA staff be?

If you have been following the Spurs through out the Summer League before; RC is always there but you don't see all of them at once watching games. So far I do not think I've seen that before.

[apalisoc_9]

Hey Kawhi this is our plan. We gona team you up with Rudy gay, Bryn Forbes and 40 year old Manu. You gotta stay in San Antonio. :lol

[SuperCam]

Spurmfans thinking Kawhi staying is a sure thing. :lmao


the same spurfan who says he'll stay cause of the supermax are the same ones bragging about him driving a 20 year old car :lol

[Keepin' it real]

Forbes keeps shooting like this, and he could become an appetizing sweetener in an LMA trade.

[TimDunkem]

Hey Kawhi this is our plan. We gona team you up with Rudy gay, Bryn Forbes and 40 year old Manu. You gotta stay in San Antonio. :lol
:lmao

[spurs10]

White is wearing a polo it might've been Forbes or Hanlan. They're probably just being cautious with his ankle
Yep I had 11 and 4 reversed when I first started watching. Hope White isn't too bad.

#11 11 for 11

[Atl Spur]

Murray benched in the summer league. Holy shit...
Pop called for "The Code Red"!!! He needs that tough love pop gave to Toney!

[TheGreatYacht]

PATFO giving away $50,000,000 to a poor man's Bryn Forbes with the OG Bryn Forbes on the roster :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Warriors are trully light years ahead

Presti and Rockets a few years ahead of RC Drunkford.

[Russ]

Murray has the black shirt on. It looks like he may not be coming back in.

[FkLA]

Forbes :worthy:

[lilbthebasedgod]

People are rightfully going off on murray but forbes has possibly worse ball control than he does. At least he can make shots but he shouldn't be handling the basketball

[Atl Spur]

Having to two dead eye shooters can never hurt.

[TheGreatYacht]

Proud to have been on the Forbes wagon since Day 1 :cry

[Russ]

Could Forbes be the starter at point?

[Chinook]

Hardy was talking to him on the sideline before the last time he subbed in. Something is going on with him mentally, whether it is because of his play or the cause it unclear. I wonder how long it's going to be until we start hearing phrases like "he just really hates losing" or "I'd rather have a passionate guy on the team than a robot".

Hopefully, he's not on the verge of getting jealous of Bryn for grossly outperforming him.

[spurs10]

Bertans fouled him with his mouth!

[DPG21920]

Warriors are trully light years ahead

Presti and Rockets a few years ahead of RC Drunkford.

:lol As they lost to SA. One of those in front from behind sort of teams :tu

[Keepin' it real]

Bertans learning how to take offensive fouls from TP apparently, going for the mouth.

[DPG21920]

Well look, despite SA being in dire need of a PG, nothing should be given to Murray. He should not just be "handed" the keys. He has to show in off season, practice and SL that he has earned the right to be given the shot at the staring gig.

[SAGirl]

Becky's face says it all.
I don't think she approves of Will Hardy's schemes with guys out there.

[SuperCam]

there's one NBA rotation caliber player on this spur team. How far RC has let things fall :bang

[Atl Spur]

Hardy was talking to him on the sideline before the last time he subbed in. Something is going on with him mentally, whether it is because of his play or the cause it unclear. I wonder how long it's going to be until we start hearing phrases like "he just really hates losing" or "I'd rather have a passionate guy on the team than a robot".

Hopefully, he's not on the verge of getting jealous of Bryn for grossly outperforming him.

He may already be😔

[TheGreatYacht]

Warriors are trully light years ahead

Presti and Rockets a few years ahead of RC Drunkford.
Presti continues to out-do himself after losing Harden due to a cheap FO and Durant being a snake. Has done the best with what he's got. Not everyone can be lucky enough to have Duncan and Leonard fall on their laps

[tmtcsc]

forbes looking ready for rotation minutes with the big boys just makes the mills signing more dubious

This is funny. If a player (Murray) plays like shit in the SL, the FO screwed up by drafting said player. If a player (Forbes) plays well, FO screwed up by offering contract to a more seasoned vet (Mills). Can't win. Meanwhile, Jonathan Simmons played "ok" last summer and now appears as though he's going to get paid a rich contract. Kyle Anderson is a Summer League MVP and his worth as an NBA player is questioned every year. I think its safe to say not much can be determined definitively from these games.

For the record, I'm not sold on Murray whatsoever as the Spurs' future PG. At this point, the Spurs don't have one. Mills sure as shit isn't a PG and my disgust for TP is well-chronicled.

[south side spur]

People are rightfully going off on murray but forbes has possibly worse ball control than he does. At least he can make shots but he shouldn't be handling the basketball

Possibly, but since Forbes plays within himself that ball handling deficiency isn't as pronounced as it is with Murray. I mean I know he's young but when Murray has the ball at the top of the key I'm picturing that fat black MC with the clown afro to start spinning on the floor yelling "Oooohhh baaabyyy!!!" Murray thinks he's the black Professor

[Russ]

Hardy was talking to him on the sideline before the last time he subbed in. Something is going on with him mentally, whether it is because of his play or the cause it unclear. I wonder how long it's going to be until we start hearing phrases like "he just really hates losing" or "I'd rather have a passionate guy on the team than a robot".

Hopefully, he's not on the verge of getting jealous of Bryn for grossly outperforming him.
I'm at the game and Hardy said something to Murray as they came out for the second half, right before they sat down. I had the feeling Murray wouldn't be coming back in.

[SAGirl]

Murray has the black shirt on. It looks like he may not be coming back in.
Only 14 minutes for Murray.
Forbe stealing the show since Utah... he's been playing 29 minutes and so on.

If that isn't a show to someone to get over himself... I don't know what is. He cannot be in minutes restrictions at this point.

I know White last game got hit one time hard and I didn't think he was going to get back in the game... but obviously Pop wants to see Bryn more.

[tmtcsc]

Presti continues to out-do himself after losing Harden due to a cheap FO and Durant being a snake. Has done the best with what he's got. Not everyone can be lucky enough to have Duncan and Leonard fall on their laps

He's definitely done his best to remedy terrible circumstances but I have a feeling Paul & Westbrook are both flight risks after this year.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Pop is out here at the game tonight rocking a small pony tail. Trying to get a pic

:lol

[TheDoctor]

Bryn Curry, that you?

[Robz4000]

If Forbes can find a way to do this against NBA players...

[TheGreatYacht]

Forbes can't fucking miss :wow

[Snaq O'Meal]

He's definitely done his best to remedy terrible circumstances but I have a feeling Paul & Westbrook are both flight risks after this year.

And now, imagine what RC Buffoon would've done under the same circumstances.

[Chinook]

I'm at the game and Hardy said something to Murray as they came out for the second half, right before they sat down. I had the feeling Murray wouldn't be coming back in.

Yeah. And I think it was in the middle of the second when Murray was sitting by the scorer's table, Hardy was crouching next to him. I know the team is disappointed, but hopefully, he's more just upset at himself and not being a diva.

[Russ]

Forbes is looking like he can do it all (to belabor the obvious).

[dabom]

Fathead looks ok in the SL too. :lol

[FkLA]

Jesus christ. WTF has gotten into Forbes. Looks deadly af out there.

[TheDoctor]

Bryn Forbes is beasting, trade is imminent now.

[TheGreatYacht]

850528081530040321

Murray needs to hand over the keys when he's done parking the car

[Atl Spur]

Bryn Curry, that you?

Lol👍🏾😉

[Snaq O'Meal]

Jesus christ. WTF has gotten into Forbes. Looks deadly at out there.

He's just showing Murray how the game should be played.

[Atl Spur]

850528081530040321

Murray needs to hand over the keys when he's done parking the car

Hell Naw!!!!

[Snaq O'Meal]

Bryn Curry, that you?

Steph Forbes tbh.

[Russ]

Murray looking attentive and involved during the time out. Joking with Bertans at the end.

[cd98]

Spurs struck gold at 28 with Parker years ago. But just bc you won by drafting Parker at 28 doesn't guarantee that other PGs drafted at 28 will be any good.

I think I'd take Forbes as a game managing PG shooter over Murray and White except Forbes can't guard anyone.

[TheDoctor]

850528081530040321

Murray needs to hand over the keys when he's done parking the car

Car keys? More likely an RC drone was what he had tbh.

[Atl Spur]

Less talking Murray; More Work...... everyone don't need to see or know...it will show!

[ulosturedge]

Forbes is killin' it. He deserves rotational minutes next season if he continues to play like this..

[SAGirl]

People are rightfully going off on murray but forbes has possibly worse ball control than he does. At least he can make shots but he shouldn't be handling the basketball
He was never a PG before. He's got good enough ballhandling for a 2 guard, but he needs opportunities to play against ball pressure if he's going to make it as a PG... He hasn't done well with ball pressure I agree.

[ceperez]

He was never a PG before. He's got good enough ballhandling for a 2 guard, but he needs opportunities to play against ball pressure if he's going to make it as a PG... He hasn't done well with ball pressure I agree.

The sixers are double teaming him in this game and he isn't turning it over.

[TheGreatYacht]

Car keys? More likely an RC drone was what he had tbh.
Jounte can have the keys after RC gets down in Vegas tonight

[ace3g]

lol, this team just can't close out games...

[Robz4000]

Nice choke.

[TheGreatYacht]

This is the WCF G1 all over again

[Robz4000]

lol, this team just can't close out games...

The poor coaching really reflects on the team here.

[TheDoctor]

Jounte can have the keys after RC gets down in Vegas tonight

:drunk

[ace3g]

Bertans lol

[gambit1990]

davis not backing down. keep it up.

[SAGirl]

Hardy was talking to him on the sideline before the last time he subbed in. Something is going on with him mentally, whether it is because of his play or the cause it unclear. I wonder how long it's going to be until we start hearing phrases like "he just really hates losing" or "I'd rather have a passionate guy on the team than a robot".

Hopefully, he's not on the verge of getting jealous of Bryn for grossly outperforming him.
Talking about Dijon?
I missed that.
He let out his frustration over playing just 15 minutes in Utah the first game of the Utah league.

Managing, as in shortening his minutes, is the best way to convey to him that the summer league is not about him.

It's been all a mystery as to why he's been sat and not playing. IMO very unusual. Meantime Forbes is obviously playing better than him and he's a guy that was overlooked most season. He was in the dleague the most and his stints in the regular team were so short lived and without much scoring opportunities that I am sure Pop and staff are at least intrigued. White also looks like he could develop as well. For a rook he's fit in quickly.

[TheDoctor]

Typical Spurs choke. It's destiny :lol

[SAGirl]

NICE BLOCK DAVIS.
Hey he got two rebounds too. :tu:flag:

[ceperez]

Talking about Dijon?
I missed that.
He let out his frustration over playing just 15 minutes in Utah the first game of the Utah league.

Managing, as in shortening his minutes, is the best way to convey to him that the summer league is not about him.

It's been all a mystery as to why he's been sat and not playing. IMO very unusual. Meantime Forbes is obviously playing better than him and he's a guy that was overlooked most season. He was in the dleague the most and his stints in the regular team were so short lived and without much scoring opportunities that I am sure Pop and staff are at least intrigued. White also looks like he could develop as well. For a rook he's fit in quickly.

Forbes impressive doing his damage in the paint and the free throw line. He wasn't shooting well from 3. Honestly, a lot of improvement taking it to the hole!

Murray has been a dud. He also has played limited minutes. So I'm not sure what's going on here.

[TheDoctor]

Bertans - Back down unless you want your face filled with my finger-marks bitch.

76ers dude - I got 99 problems but 10 finger-marks on my face ain't one wigga.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Forbes impressive doing his damage in the paint and the free throw line. He wasn't shooting well from 3. Honestly, a lot of improvement taking it to the hole!

Murray has been a dud. He also has played limited minutes. So I'm not sure what's going on here.

Hopefully Murray bounces back next game by not sucking. Perhaps try to keep up with Olivier Hanlan's production.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully Murray gets a lot of burn. If Forbes gets rested next game, it will be on Murray to score and run the offense.

[.G.]

Dejounte respeks Forbes 💯

[Ditty]

Only saw bits, and parts of the game. More than any other game.

Forbes looked really damn good until the end.

Bertans looked really good.

Sounds like Murray did pretty bad again after starting off pretty good from what I saw. Of course the kid has the talent. He will find his rhythm. Enjoy seeing the overreaction in these threads :lol.

Hope White comes back, and plays soon. I liked the way he has looked for the most part.

[tmtcsc]

Murray has looked awful in the summer leagues and provided the front office with marching orders in terms of finding point guard help. He dribbles too high, displays unwarranted swag and lacks any sort of consistent jumper. There were plenty of reasons he was available so late in the draft and unfortunately the Spurs are seeing why. He may have been worth the risk of drafting because of his "potential" but he's shown nothing. In fact, he's been bad, not just "not good enough". F

[SPURt]

I wish Forbes could take this game to the varsity squad

[SAGirl]

Hopefully Murray gets a lot of burn. If Forbes gets rested next game, it will be on Murray to score and run the offense.
I could see that.
I'd like for him to play more than 15 minutes. He needs reps, and practice as much as he can get.

[Darkwaters]

davis not backing down. keep it up.

There was a group of (moderately drunk?) Spurs fans that were adoring of Davis. When he went chest to chest with that Sixers player they lost it and were screaming for him not to back down. It was hilarious

[duncan2k5]

Some guys are just summer league players...I cringed whenever Bryn was on the court against NBA talent last year...Murray dealt with it much better...not only was Bryn not shooting well, but he can't penetrate nor play defense...and we NEED a lg that van penetrate... I keep saying it...we dont need a worse version of patty mills

[duncan2k5]

The coaches are playing this wrong...the worse they treat Murray, the more he presses...you have to understand the psyche of ur players

[Snaq O'Meal]

The coaches are playing this wrong...the worse they treat Murray, the more he presses...you have to understand the psyche of ur players

The coaches didn't mistreat him. Murray put undue pressure upon himself by saying stuff like the following:

“I’m a born leader,” he said. “It’s not like it’s something new to me. Of course it’s new to me to lead guys at the professional level. But I feel like I’m a great leader, being vocal on both ends and making sure everybody is on the same page.”

Maybe he should take things easy by getting his game in order first before claiming a leadership role.

[BillMc]

I've been completely busy during SL (both tournaments):

It sounds like from the postings here:

1) White has played well.
2) Forbes has played well.
3) Bertans has been up and down.
4) Murray has been a massive disappointment.
5) No one else has emerged as a surprise.

Is this basically right? Thanks

[Snaq O'Meal]

I've been completely busy during SL (both tournaments):

It sounds like from the postings here:

1) White has played well.
2) Forbes has played well.
3) Bertans has been up and down.
4) Murray has been a massive disappointment.
5) No one else has emerged as a surprise.

Is this basically right? Thanks

Actually, Forbes took everyone by surprise. He has added new dimensions to his game and is currently the team's leading scorer by a fair margin.

[ceperez]

I've been completely busy during SL (both tournaments):

It sounds like from the postings here:

1) White has played well.
2) Forbes has played well.
3) Bertans has been up and down.
4) Murray has been a massive disappointment.
5) No one else has emerged as a surprise.

Is this basically right? Thanks

I would say that White played like Bertans. That is with spurts of impressive play but needs more consistency.

Murray has been pretty much a bust. He can't shoot. It is not like the ball is shot not falling, his mid range is barely close to the ring.

It is okay to miss, just as long as the ball has a chance of going in. With Murray, it just isn't there. I don't know what the hell he was doing during the break after the season ending.

Let's be honest, Murray has been the poster boy for the Spurs this summer league. Yet in 4 games, he's been laying an egg.

[BillMc]

Actually, Forbes took everyone by surprise. He has added new dimensions to his game and is currently the team's leading scorer by a fair margin.


I would say that White played like Bertans. That is with spurts of impressive play but needs more consistency.

Murray has been pretty much a bust. He can't shoot. It is not like the ball is shot not falling, his mid range is barely close to the ring.

It is okay to miss, just as long as the ball has a chance of going in. With Murray, it just isn't there. I don't know what the hell he was doing during the break after the season ending.

Let's be honest, Murray has been the poster boy for the Spurs this summer league. Yet in 4 games, he's been laying an egg.

Thanks for the update guys. :toast

Not sure what's up with Murray. Didn't he train with Kawhi in the offseason? Disappointing.

[ceperez]

Thanks for the update guys. :toast

Not sure what's up with Murray. Didn't he train with Kawhi in the offseason? Disappointing.


It is crazy... Spurs marketing department are hyping up Murray. Murray is even the 'team captain' (he's the player who is selected to talk to the refs at the beginning of the game). He also plays the point running the offense.

Yet, he's stinking up the joint. Forbes and Bertans are both older than Murray and are deferring to this loser. The gig is up. The only reason Murray played well against some NBA teams was that the opposing team wasn't familiar with his play. One you figure it out, like many SL teams have, then he's practically worthless on the court other than being able to rebound the ball.

[duncan2150]

Murray is Working on His passing game, he didn't play naturally so it's not that a dissappointement. He ´ll be Better du ring the season.

[MaNu4Tres]

Thanks for the update guys. :toast

Not sure what's up with Murray. Didn't he train with Kawhi in the offseason? Disappointing.

He's been disappointing, but its been only been 4 games and 6 weeks since the season ended. He has 3 months to train after this SL is over with. Then is when he'll be traveling to San Diego to train with Kawhi.

If he's not ready by October, Forbes will be ready it seems. Spurs will be fine, either way.

[ceperez]

Murray is Working on His passing game, he didn't play naturally so it's not that a dissappointement. He ´ll be Better du ring the season.

Hmmmm... if he wants to become Parker 2.0 (a guard who makes his living in the paint) then he needs to do something about that high dribble.

[duncan2k5]

The coaches didn't mistreat him. Murray put undue pressure upon himself by saying stuff like the following:

“I’m a born leader,” he said. “It’s not like it’s something new to me. Of course it’s new to me to lead guys at the professional level. But I feel like I’m a great leader, being vocal on both ends and making sure everybody is on the same page.”

Maybe he should take things easy by getting his game in order first before claiming a leadership role.

Last year regardless of play, he never knew if he was even gonna play the next game... Now he can barely get minutes to play through mistakes in summer league, while others get to...I'd say thats not good treatment

[duncan2k5]

It is crazy... Spurs marketing department are hyping up Murray. Murray is even the 'team captain' (he's the player who is selected to talk to the refs at the beginning of the game). He also plays the point running the offense.

Yet, he's stinking up the joint. Forbes and Bertans are both older than Murray and are deferring to this loser. The gig is up. The only reason Murray played well against some NBA teams was that the opposing team wasn't familiar with his play. One you figure it out, like many SL teams have, then he's practically worthless on the court other than being able to rebound the ball.

Figuring stuff out goes both ways...he plays more, he learns then too...pat Beverly stripped him numerous times one half, never did it again the rest of the series....give players the chance to learn their opponents

[SAGirl]

I've been completely busy during SL (both tournaments):

It sounds like from the postings here:

1) White has played well.
2) Forbes has played well.
3) Bertans has been up and down.
4) Murray has been a massive disappointment.
5) No one else has emerged as a surprise.

Is this basically right? Thanks
1. White has played well considering he's a rookie. He has a good feel for the game, good playmaker and unselfish. Has good court vision. He's been off shooting at times, streaky, but he finds other ways to score cutting etc. Bc he's a rookie my standard is lower. I think he'll be alright after a period of adjustment but he probably will need to shoot well.

2. Forbes has been aggressive and scoring in a variety of ways. He could always shoot but has done more ballhandling and scoring off the dribble. He struggled against the size and sheer athleticism of the Utah guards: Exum and Mitchell so keep things in perspective. Like Mills IMO he will struggle in those situations when guarded by tall/athletic guards and there isn't much he can do to stop them defensively. He's been the most consistent Spur though and has carried them offensively. He's eating up average guards.

3. Davis has been streaky with his shooting. He's had to find ways to impact the game when he's not open from 3 and his game is really off the ball ideally. He had one Utah game of straight up chucking every time he was passed to, but now he's putting the ball on the floor more if he's not open and trying to make plays. He has played about half the time as a 3 with average results. He can make good passes at times but will also attempt risky, low rewards bounce passes which has made him TO prone. His ballhandling is good for a big but for a wing it is limited to straight line driving. If he's guarded by wings he's having a tougher time. Defensively he's had issues. He's been a good team defender but individually gets burned. His rebounding is subpar for a forward and he looks easily bounced around in the paint with bigs getting offensive boards with him around. However when he's hitting his shots it makes everyone's life easier and you forget the other things. I didn't think he was getting involved offensively enough but off the ball players depend on others a lot. Hardy doesn't necessarily call plays for him either. I believe the focus is on the guards.

4. Murray can't shoot and has not shown any progress offensively. He's been ghastly inefficient even when he's getting into the paint. He's not attempting jumpshots. He can get past his guy and find the open teammate but he has a lot to work on for himself. He should avoid the heroballing for now bc he's not good enough to be forcing shots. He hasn't played off the ball much which emphasises his limited skill set and he's been on minutes restrictions. Unnecessarily fancy dribbling or carelessness leads to him getting stripped.

5. No one else stands out. Cory Jefferson could be a training camp invite, he can grab rebounds but is selfish and nothing special. Blossomgame has been average. He's made his open 3s and some plays off the dribble but doesn't have a good touch in the paint. Nothing great or too much as to be impressive or stand out. Cady and LJC look basically the same as they have been.

[sasaint]

1. White has played well considering he's a rookie. He has a good feel for the game, good playmaker and unselfish. Has good court vision. He's been off shooting at times, streaky, but he finds other ways to score cutting etc. Bc he's a rookie my standard is lower. I think he'll be alright after a period of adjustment but he probably will need to shoot well.

2. Forbes has been aggressive and scoring in a variety of ways. He could always shoot but has done more ballhandling and scoring off the dribble. He struggled against the size and sheer athleticism of the Utah guards: Exum and Mitchell so keep things in perspective. Like Mills IMO he will struggle in those situations when guarded by tall/athletic guards and there isn't much he can do to stop them defensively. He's been the most consistent Spur though and has carried them offensively. He's eating up average guards.

3. Davis has been streaky with his shooting. He's had to find ways to impact the game when he's not open from 3 and his game is really off the ball ideally. He had one Utah game of straight up chucking every time he was passed to, but now he's putting the ball on the floor more if he's not open and trying to make plays. He has played about half the time as a 3 with average results. He can make good passes at times but will also attempt risky, low rewards bounce passes which has made him TO prone. His ballhandling is good for a big but for a wing it is limited to straight line driving. If he's guarded by wings he's having a tougher time. Defensively he's had issues. He's been a good team defender but individually gets burned. His rebounding is subpar for a forward and he looks easily bounced around in the paint with bigs getting offensive boards with him around. However when he's hitting his shots it makes everyone's life easier and you forget the other things. I didn't think he was getting involved offensively enough but off the ball players depend on others a lot. Hardy doesn't necessarily call plays for him either. I believe the focus is on the guards.

4. Murray can't shoot and has not shown any progress offensively. He's been ghastly inefficient even when he's getting into the paint. He's not attempting jumpshots. He can get past his guy and find the open teammate but he has a lot to work on for himself. He should avoid the heroballing for now bc he's not good enough to be forcing shots. He hasn't played off the ball much which emphasises his limited skill set and he's been on minutes restrictions. Unnecessarily fancy dribbling or carelessness leads to him getting stripped.

5. No one else stands out. Cory Jefferson could be a training camp invite, he can grab rebounds but is selfish and nothing special. Blossomgame has been average. He's made his open 3s and some plays off the dribble but doesn't have a good touch in the paint. Nothing great or too much as to be impressive or stand out. Cady and LJC look basically the same as they have been.

I really appreciate your taking the time to share your analysis. Great job. Only thing I would like to add is that off the dribble White has gotten himself in trouble a few times because he lacks the quickness to take some defenders one-on-one. But once in trouble, he has also shown the ability to hit some very tough shots. For a rookie playing SL he has shown nice flashes but I am not convinced he can do the same things in the big-time.

[SAGirl]

I really appreciate your taking the time to share your analysis. Great job. Only thing I would like to add is that off the dribble White has gotten himself in trouble a few times because he lacks the quickness to take some defenders one-on-one. But once in trouble, he has also shown the ability to hit some very tough shots. For a rookie playing SL he has shown nice flashes but I am not convinced he can do the same things in the big-time.
Would agree with that assessment on White. :tu

[BillMc]

1. White has played well considering he's a rookie. He has a good feel for the game, good playmaker and unselfish. Has good court vision. He's been off shooting at times, streaky, but he finds other ways to score cutting etc. Bc he's a rookie my standard is lower. I think he'll be alright after a period of adjustment but he probably will need to shoot well.

2. Forbes has been aggressive and scoring in a variety of ways. He could always shoot but has done more ballhandling and scoring off the dribble. He struggled against the size and sheer athleticism of the Utah guards: Exum and Mitchell so keep things in perspective. Like Mills IMO he will struggle in those situations when guarded by tall/athletic guards and there isn't much he can do to stop them defensively. He's been the most consistent Spur though and has carried them offensively. He's eating up average guards.

3. Davis has been streaky with his shooting. He's had to find ways to impact the game when he's not open from 3 and his game is really off the ball ideally. He had one Utah game of straight up chucking every time he was passed to, but now he's putting the ball on the floor more if he's not open and trying to make plays. He has played about half the time as a 3 with average results. He can make good passes at times but will also attempt risky, low rewards bounce passes which has made him TO prone. His ballhandling is good for a big but for a wing it is limited to straight line driving. If he's guarded by wings he's having a tougher time. Defensively he's had issues. He's been a good team defender but individually gets burned. His rebounding is subpar for a forward and he looks easily bounced around in the paint with bigs getting offensive boards with him around. However when he's hitting his shots it makes everyone's life easier and you forget the other things. I didn't think he was getting involved offensively enough but off the ball players depend on others a lot. Hardy doesn't necessarily call plays for him either. I believe the focus is on the guards.

4. Murray can't shoot and has not shown any progress offensively. He's been ghastly inefficient even when he's getting into the paint. He's not attempting jumpshots. He can get past his guy and find the open teammate but he has a lot to work on for himself. He should avoid the heroballing for now bc he's not good enough to be forcing shots. He hasn't played off the ball much which emphasises his limited skill set and he's been on minutes restrictions. Unnecessarily fancy dribbling or carelessness leads to him getting stripped.

5. No one else stands out. Cory Jefferson could be a training camp invite, he can grab rebounds but is selfish and nothing special. Blossomgame has been average. He's made his open 3s and some plays off the dribble but doesn't have a good touch in the paint. Nothing great or too much as to be impressive or stand out. Cady and LJC look basically the same as they have been.

Many thanks for the detailed and well thought-out analysis!!:flag:

The fact that Murray, Bertans, Cady and LJC don't show much improvement is cause for alarm. Spurs only real hope is improvement from within from their young guys.

[SAGirl]

Many thanks for the detailed and well thought-out analysis!!:flag:

The fact that Murray, Bertans, Cady and LJC don't show much improvement is cause for alarm. Spurs only real hope is improvement from within from their young guys.
No problem. Don't be discouraged by Davis evaluation. We already know he can play in the NBA. Here he's been placed in different situations and asked to do more off the dribble as a 3 which is unusual and he has been ok, not great. It doesn't mean he will be asked to play differently in the NBA IMO, more just him working on weaknesses.