Spurs sign Joffrey Lauvergne

[BillMc]

:pop: A wheelchair.
:lol

[tonight...you]

That would be apalisoc_9 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11260) tbh
Ha ha ha! True...

[ElNono]

who is this guy, tbh? Some Canadian pop singer?

[ace3g]

San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) 1. Agreed to a reported deal (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/884486614570983428) with center Joffrey Lauvergne

(http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2959753/joffrey-lauvergne)

The Spurs have a history of getting the most out of limited role players, but I don't think Lauvergne is likely to help them much.
We can probably rule out the idea of Lauvergne being an NBA center. Somehow, he blocked just six shots in 980 minutes last season, including none in the 214 he played in Chicago.


That leaves Lauvergne trying to stretch the floor at power forward. He attempted almost 30 percent of his shots from downtown between the Bulls and the Oklahoma City Thunder (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder) last season, but made them at just a 33.7 percent clip, not really sufficient to keep defenders tied to him.


As a result of those limitations, Lauvergne rated 2.5 points per 100 possessions worse than league average in ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM) (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/RPM/position/9) last season.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19950098/nba-free-agency-2017-best-worst-moves-day-10

[I. Hustle]

Hey, you guys remember NBA champion Andrew Gaze?

[Seventyniner]

We are really letting him have 77.

:lol

That sucks. I see any number above 19 that ends in a 6, 7, 8, or 9, or any number above 55, as gimmicky.

I liked that last year Manu had the second-highest jersey number on the team. I wanted Bertans to take 15 or something so all the numbers would be less than 21.

[TheGreatYacht]

2nd Spur to have a number higher than 55 since Drew Gooden (90)

I would've stuck with #7, his NT number tbh

https://i2.wp.com/www.rondoblaugrana.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Joffrey-Lauvergne-sous-maillot-equipe-France-15-septembre-Lille_0_1400_931.jpg?fit=1398%2C931

[rastaspur]

Lauvernge looks like a weird combo between Mark Whalberg and Nick Collison

He looks kind of like the fighter Paco in bloodsport.

Check it out.https://www.google.com/search?q=paco+bloodsporthttps://www.google.com/search?q=paco+bloodsport

He's into kickboxing. We already know that from previous videos. Joffrey is a paco fan I reckon.

[SAGirl]

San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)

1. Agreed to a reported deal (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/884486614570983428) with center Joffrey Lauvergne

(http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2959753/joffrey-lauvergne)

The Spurs have a history of getting the most out of limited role players, but I don't think Lauvergne is likely to help them much.
We can probably rule out the idea of Lauvergne being an NBA center. Somehow, he blocked just six shots in 980 minutes last season, including none in the 214 he played in Chicago.


That leaves Lauvergne trying to stretch the floor at power forward. He attempted almost 30 percent of his shots from downtown between the Bulls and the Oklahoma City Thunder (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/okc/oklahoma-city-thunder) last season, but made them at just a 33.7 percent clip, not really sufficient to keep defenders tied to him.


As a result of those limitations, Lauvergne rated 2.5 points per 100 possessions worse than league average in ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM) (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/RPM/position/9) last season.

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19950098/nba-free-agency-2017-best-worst-moves-day-10

Thanks for sharing ... seems like just a depth signing. A big body to throw around in case of injuries or if anderson/Bertans are getting manhandled by some bulky big. He's unlikely to be better than either of them if played as a PF, and its guaranteed he won't be as good as LmA or Pau if played as a Center. Not expecting much from him.. maybe it's bc I haven't seen him play but I am kind of expecting Jeff Ayers with better hands, which if Ayers had better hands, he would have been useful. I would be thrilled if he can be a version of Baynes tbh.

[rastaspur]

Thanks for sharing ... seems like just a depth signing. A big body to throw around in case of injuries or if anderson/Bertans are getting manhandled by some bulky big. He's unlikely to be better than either of them if played as a PF, and its guaranteed he won't be as good as LmA or Pau if played as a Center. Not expecting much from him.. maybe it's bc I haven't seen him play but I am kind of expecting Jeff Ayers with better hands, which if Ayers had better hands, he would have been useful. I would be thrilled if he can be a version of Baynes tbh.

Don't insult the guy, SA girl. He has some skills and belongs in the nba. Ayers did not.

[sasaint]

Don't insult the guy, SA girl. He has some skills and belongs in the nba. Ayers did not.

Quite a few posters thought Joff was a good get by OKC, iirc. All is well on ST...

[tonight...you]

Don't insult the guy, SA girl. He has some skills and belongs in the nba. Ayers did not.
But he had a great smile.

[superbigtime]

How could Tiago be worse than this dweeb.

[SAGirl]

Don't insult the guy, SA girl. He has some skills and belongs in the nba. Ayers did not.

eehh.. keep in mind I haven't watched Joff but he's about the same height as Ayers, is an athletic big, and he can't shoot very well by the looks of it same as Ayers... so in reality he should be a 5, but bc of that lack of rim protection he's not very good 5. Keep in mind also that Ayers had very bad hands. A Jeff Errors with better hands might still be around the league somewhere. Spurs also got Errors around 25-26 years old and he was kind of mystery athletic big that had never been in a rotation (for a reason!). I will be glad if Lauvergne is kinda like Baynes like I said.... Bottom line, I am not expecting much... basically keeping those expectations down.

[Chinook]

btb, has anyone heard any confirmation what exception they used to sign JL?

[DPG21920]

btb, has anyone heard any confirmation what exception they used to sign JL?

Huh? I thought it was for the min?

[Chinook]

Huh? I thought it was for the min?

I'm not sure it is. I have heard nothing about how much it is or if there is an option and blah blah blah.

[DeRozan m8]

Don't insult the guy, SA girl. He has some skills and belongs in the nba. Ayers did not.

Exactly.

Ayres is the worst player I've ever seen in my life.

[cjw]

How could Tiago be worse than this dweeb.

Because with two other bigs on the team, they can't waste a precious roster spot on someone who might be healthy for half the season if you're lucky.

[TheDoctor]

Exactly.

Ayres is the worst player I've ever seen in my life.
"If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands".

[tonight...you]

Exactly.

Ayres is the worst player I've ever seen in my life.
You never watched Dwayne Schintzius?
Mengke Bateer?

[cutewizard]

Wouldnt we have signed Diaw instead???

[tonight...you]

Wouldnt we have signed Diaw instead???
Dear God woman... Have you been paying attention?

[sasaint]

You never watched Dwayne Schintzius?
Mengke Bateer?

The Mullett was a bad player. But Bateer wasn't a player at all. He was a just a novelty. He made Boban look like DRob.

[sasaint]

Because with two other bigs on the team, they can't waste a precious roster spot on someone who might be healthy for half the season if you're lucky.

Tony Parker says hello.

[cjw]

Tony Parker says hello.

Yes, they could cut Tony and it'd have absolutely no impact at this point on the cap in the future. Just take the hit this year.

But he'll be playing this year. Sure hope you're not relying on Patty to start.

[sasaint]

Yes, they could cut Tony and it'd have absolutely no impact at this point on the cap in the future. Just take the hit this year.

But he'll be playing this year. Sure hope you're not relying on Patty to start.

I'm not sure who Pop plans to start. That's biggest question heading into training camp... Strange situation to start the season...

[Taking it to the Hole]

Well, this is the best the FO could find out of all the unknown, obscure, white foreign guys in the NBA. At least I would like to think that it was the best.

[J_Paco]

He has been a huge disappointment in Denver, Oklahoma City but not really Chicago (got there late in season). It says a lot that Chicago - with Felicio, Portis, Markkanen, Lopez & Mirotic (unsigned) as their mediocre rotation of big men - had no intentions of retaining his services and he's one of the worst rim - protecting big men in the NBA.

Doesn't fill any needs and brings redundant skills to Bertans, although I think Davis plays better defense in spurts. Hoping Pop/RC can still pull a rabbit out of their asses with another prospect like they did when they found Boban and Aron overseas.

[ceperez]

A character guy that is willing to rough it up in the paint and can space the floor.

Sound like a Matt Bonner replacement.

He looks like a mix between a Matt Bonner and a David Lee.

[BatManu20]

Frenchies stick together.

892102314340823043

[Spurtacular]

At least we have a C


edit: nvm I think he is more of a PF

He's got a Center body for today's NBA.

[J_Paco]

He's got a Center body for today's NBA.

Yet, he has a finesse game, won't but the boards hard and doesn't block shots. He is a pretty shitty Dedmon replacement skill set wise, IMO.

[Spurtacular]

Yet, he has a finesse game and doesn't block shots. He is a pretty shitty Dedmon replacement skill set wise, IMO.

Hey, I'm not talking the guy up. I'm just stating the fact.

[TimDunkem]

Dedmon sucked but our defense is definitely taking a hit, tbh.

[J_Paco]

Dedmon sucked but our defense is definitely taking a hit, tbh.

Barring something unforseen, the defense is taking a pretty big dip this upcoming season.

[Spurtacular]

Barring something unforseen, the defense is taking a pretty big dip this upcoming season.

Sure; but it's clear that the Spurs aren't being built to win the regular season. They're being built to beat the Warriors in the playoffs. Dedmon was apparently not part of that equation.

[stu scotts eye]

Sure; but it's clear that the Spurs aren't being built to win the regular season. They're being built to beat the Warriors in the playoffs. Dedmon was apparently not part of that equation.

If he wasn't, why did Pop play him consistent rotation minutes through the end of the regular season? Pops all about chemistry, but he then benches Dedmon and starts Lee/Gasol in the playoffs.

[TimDunkem]

But...the Spurs didn't improve... Mills and Gasol are practically unplayable against them, LMA is complete garbage unless Kawhi is holding his hand, Danny is declining, and Parker/Gay are practically unknowns right now coming off an injury.

How does that equal to being built to beat the Warriors?

[Spurtacular]

If he wasn't, why did Pop play him consistent rotation minutes through the end of the regular season? Pops all about chemistry, but he then benches Dedmon and starts Lee/Gasol in the playoffs.

Playoff rotations are shortened and based on match-ups. Dedmon isn't a part of the equation against GS. Go back and you'll see that.

[Spurtacular]

But...the Spurs didn't improve... Mills and Gasol are practically unplayable against them, LMA is complete garbage unless Kawhi is holding his hand, Danny is declining, and Parker/Gay are practically unknowns right now coming off an injury.

How does that equal to being built to beat the Warriors?

Spurs were up 20 and ready to sweep GS in reg season; they were up 25 in Gm 1 when Kawhi was injured. Obviously, they were doing something right.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs were up 20 and ready to sweep GS in reg season; they were up 25 in Gm 1 when Kawhi was injured. Obviously, they were doing something right.
They're not bringing that same team back... Kawhi better reach Jordan levels if the Spurs want even a shot at sniffing a title.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Frenchies stick together.

892102314340823043

From the same guy who brought us Livio Jean-Charles. :)

[Spurtacular]

They're not bringing that same team back... Kawhi better reach Jordan levels if the Spurs want even a shot at sniffing a title.

I'm not arguing that the Spurs are improving or not improving; I'm just saying that Dedmon was a non-integral piece as far as beating the Warriors. Sure, the Spurs may have a worse regular season now; there might be ramifactions to that, too. But at least the Spurs aren't fooling themselves into a false sense of superiority.

[xellos88330]

FWIW... probably nothing. In MyGM mode on 2k17 my expansion team has this guy. He apparently is a beast on the boards. LOL!

[stu scotts eye]

Playoff rotations are shortened and based on match-ups. Dedmon isn't a part of the equation against GS. Go back and you'll see that.

If you go back, you'll know that Pop normally tickets till the All Star break, then starts reducing the rotation before the playoffs.

Last year was the outlier. He was still experimenting till the last game of the Reg season. He never started Lee with Aldridge and actually stopped starting Gasol after he got hurt early on.

He's not dumb. He knew we were prepping for GS. But for some reason last yr he went away from the norm.

[SpursforSix]

The Mullett was a bad player. But Bateer wasn't a player at all. He was a just a novelty. He made Boban look like DRob.

He made Boban look like Brad Pitt.

[TheGreatYacht]

From the same guy who brought us Livio Jean-Charles. :)
Also the guy who brought us Diaw. A useful piece, unlike your fellow Mexicans Garino and Laprosytolla

[Spurtacular]

If you go back, you'll know that Pop normally tickets till the All Star break, then starts reducing the rotation before the playoffs.

Last year was the outlier. He was still experimenting till the last game of the Reg season. He never started Lee with Aldridge and actually stopped starting Gasol after he got hurt early on.

He's not dumb. He knew we were prepping for GS. But for some reason last yr he went away from the norm.

He didn't want GS to know what to prepare for; and nobody was surprised Dedmon didn't crack the rotation. He had plenty of DNP's that would've suggested that would be the case.

[Spurtacular]

You never watched Dwayne Schintzius?
Mengke Bateer?

Schintzius was good. Don't remember Bateer.

[ace3g]

Looks like he got some new ink recently.

https://scontent-dft4-2.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/20066210_152505585303981_8565555292476014592_n.jpg

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWvQUCTg7Yf/?tagged=joffreylauvergne

[TheGreatYacht]

Beast

[TheDoctor]

Killer

[TimDunkem]

Way better than this, tbh:https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--gXzKB_W2--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/epwmlqa3kt9j75cbjj0h.jpg

[MaNu4Tres]

Looks like he got some new ink recently.

https://scontent-dft4-2.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/20066210_152505585303981_8565555292476014592_n.jpg

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWvQUCTg7Yf/?tagged=joffreylauvergne

If only LA didn't let himself go in the off-season like he Pillsbury dough boy.

[ceperez]

From the same guy who brought us Livio Jean-Charles. :)


Agree. I will take Tony's recommendations for players with a grain of salt.

[TheDoctor]

Agree. I will take Tony's recommendations for players with a grain of salt.
Lets put in perspective that Tony wants to be a GM after retiring in 2022.

[tholdren]

If only LA didn't let himself go in the off-season like he Pillsbury dough boy.

Stupid theme but great ink work

[cd021]

Lets put in perspective that Tony wants to be a GM after retiring in 2022.

He's gonna run some team into the ground and damage his legacy just like Isiah Thomas :lol

[cd021]

Barring something unforseen, the defense is taking a pretty big dip this upcoming season.

I'm actually more optimistic about this team defensively so long as they play small often, than last seasons team with Parker and Gasol being a bulls-eye for opposing defenses.

[TheDoctor]

He's gonna run some team into the ground and damage his legacy just like Isiah Thomas :lol
And Joe Dumars :lol
http://cdn.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/19/dfe34bf0-c406-11e3-ae98-3d2139f92891_JD41414.jpg

[cd021]

And Joe Dumars :lol
http://cdn.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/19/dfe34bf0-c406-11e3-ae98-3d2139f92891_JD41414.jpg

He was good until he was awful. He'll never live down Darko, Charli V and Ben Gordon but he did put together a team that went to the ECF 5 straight times, back2back Finals and 1 championship.

[spurraider21]

From the same guy who brought us Livio Jean-Charles. :)
And boris diaw

[Trueblood]

https://airalamo.com/2017/08/10/san-antonio-spurs-rumors-joffrey-lauvergne-knee-injury/

Doesn't sound serious but something they need to keep their eyes on.

[.G.]

Damn.

[hater]

Pop yelling in french right now at some french fruit

[ace3g]

Good to see Joffrey on the court after not getting a clear diagnosis of his knee injury.

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[tonight...you]

He was good until he was awful. He'll never live down Darko, Charli V and Ben Gordon but he did put together a team that went to the ECF 5 straight times, back2back Finals and 1 championship.
Damn bro, old boy was using a Samsung 3500- the original Samsung Grenade...
That effer would blow up so magnificently consistently...

[ace3g]

898615423649726466

[ace3g]

I want my royalties...

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[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=splimr5zxVE

[TheDoctor]

:lobt2:

[Play Boban]

:wow

[Seventyniner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=splimr5zxVE

Good find. At least he finishes much stronger than Splitter. Too bad he's not anywhere near Splitter's level on D.

I wonder why he insisted on #77 with the Spurs when #7 was available.

[Dverde]

Spurs will teach him to not dunk. Make him watch endless tape of Rasho and Tiago reverse hook shots.

[TheGreatYacht]

Shitter is so overrated on here lmfao you'd think he was mexican. It's no surprise the defense has been better since he left.

[daslicer]

I didn't watch this guy when he was in OKC. Judging by the clips he seems pretty athletic. Hopefully with good coaching he can become good on the defensive end.

[james evans]

Spurs will teach him to not dunk. Make him watch endless tape of Rasho and Tiago reverse hook shots.
basically. And if he wants to dunk and be dominant, his minutes will be cut until he learns to be soft and miss layups

[SpurPadre]

Is this the fucker that beheaded Ned Stark?

[SPURt]

Is this the fucker that beheaded Ned Stark?
Not sure I see the resemblance:
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/03/Ilyn_Payne_infobox.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160730061137

[TheDoctor]

Is this the fucker that beheaded Ned Stark?

Who gave the order yes. Ilyn Payne was the Executioner.

[DPG21920]

I don't understand people reading his draft express profiles or posting youtube videos when he's been in the NBA for 3 years?

If you watch basketball outside of the Spurs you would have seen him play against actual nba talent for 3 years now and post poor results on both ends.

So saying "he's actually mobile and I think he can move well" when there is literally 3 years of him not doing that is setting a bad expectation.

Sure, SA will be the best team he's played for in the best system, but it's not like everyone becomes great here (Richard Jefferson, Daye, etc..). We have many examples of both higher level and lower level players not doing much even though they are in SA's system.

It's a min deal for a truly min level player at a position of need depth wise. Hopefully he surprises but let's not act like we don't have 3 years of nba film on the player.

Ya.

[Robz4000]

What a fucking waste of space. Spurs would be better off playing man down than giving this fuck minutes.

[Chinook]

What a fucking waste of space. Spurs would be better off playing man down than giving this fuck minutes.

He's still fine for the money. But Pop fucked up big time by thinking the third-big could be a min guy. Too many folks don't get that you can't start Pau and LMA and still reliably stagger their minutes. You need a guy to compete with Joff for minutes, because that role will get minutes.

[Budkin]

Dude SUUUUUUCKS

[cd021]

Was screaming at the TV to just play Anderson at the five, watching Joff try and finish in the paint is painful.

[DPG21920]

Forget the fact that people act like he can stretch the floor reliably (he can’t) but any skills he has passing and diving are negated by the fact his defense sucks the majority of the time. He’s a net negative player and his finishing is not quality enough for a dive man.

[cd021]

Forget the fact that people act like he can stretch the floor reliably (he can’t) but any skills he has passing and diving are negated by the fact his defense sucks the majority of the time. He’s a net negative player and his finishing is not quality enough for a dive man.

His issue is inability to finish when his shots are contested, that's an issue. He has poor touch too.

[Stabula]

Future Hall of Famer

[Hoops Czar]

His issue is inability to finish when his shots are contested, that's an issue. He has poor touch too.
He's just a poor player. A total garbage signing.

[SpurPadre]

This fuck makes me miss Bonner and you all know that coming from me, that's a big fucking deal.

[Hoops Czar]

The most underrated signing of the off-season. :lol People have such hard-ons for scrubs

[SAGirl]

Ya.
Ya. Joff is exactly the kind of guy that makes one remember the coaching and system without the players talent means squat.

[SAGirl]

He's still fine for the money. But Pop fucked up big time by thinking the third-big could be a min guy. Too many folks don't get that you can't start Pau and LMA and still reliably stagger their minutes. You need a guy to compete with Joff for minutes, because that role will get minutes.
Do you still think they will be looking at alternatives?

[Chinook]

Do you still think they will be looking at alternatives?

If they stay in third, I think they will be a decent buyout destination and will likely be receptive to that. I don't know if they'd be willing to cut anyone to make it happen, though.

[dabom]

He's still fine for the money. But Pop fucked up big time by thinking the third-big could be a min guy. Too many folks don't get that you can't start Pau and LMA and still reliably stagger their minutes. You need a guy to compete with Joff for minutes, because that role will get minutes.

Maybe Pop was thinking of going Small Ball with Kawhi and Gay for the playoffs and Kawhi getting hurt was not in his radar. No one gives a shit about another big after LMA and Pau.

[SAGirl]

If they stay in third, I think they will be a decent buyout destination and will likely be receptive to that. I don't know if they'd be willing to cut anyone to make it happen, though.
Maybe not cut but trade, specially if there’s someone they will not bring back (like we strongly suspected they were not going to pay to keep Dedmon, maybe there’s someone like that this year). But maybe they don’t yet know. They went into the season with this problem this isn’t new. So they were ready for this problem arising.

I have thought Joff himself is kinda in the hot seat but maybe not.

[Chinook]

Maybe Pop was thinking of going Small Ball with Kawhi and Gay for the playoffs and Kawhi getting hurt was not in his radar. No one gives a shit about another big after LMA and Pau.

I had assumed Pop was going small so much that I was shocked Pau started. Having LMA/Pau/Joff at C and Gay/Anderson/Bertans at PF seems better even though I would want Joff even further down the line. But Pop had a chance to go small even with Kawhi hurt, and he still decided to start Pau. I'm not convinced he thinks this big rotation is a problem.

[dabom]

I had assumed Pop was going small so much that I was shocked Pau started. Having LMA/Pau/Joff at C and Gay/Anderson/Bertans at PF seems better even though I would want Joff even further down the line. But Pop had a chance to go small even with Kawhi hurt, and he still decided to start Pau. I'm not convinced he thinks this big rotation is a problem.

He's not showing his cards. And the minutes restriction and injuries has forced him into lineups he wouldn't prefer. I could see a lot of small ball in crunch time in the playoffs where Pau doesn't suit us. Unlike using traditional bigs only.

[dabom]

Would people prefer Dedman or Gay vs the warriors?

[SAGirl]

Gay didn’t play well against the warriors last game FWIW... you know who did though? Right. It wasn’t Deadman either.

[Chinook]

Maybe not cut but trade, specially if there’s someone they will not bring back (like we strongly suspected they were not going to pay to keep Dedmon, maybe there’s someone like that this year). But maybe they don’t yet know. They went into the season with this problem this isn’t new. So they were ready for this problem arising.

I have thought Joff himself is kinda in the hot seat but maybe not.

While there are bigs I would definitely take over Joff, simply switching him out still leaves the Spurs too small. Though what helps is that Lauvergne makes enough money to where he can work in a trade if combined with a guy like Forbes, Paul or White.

[dabom]

Gay didn’t play well against the warriors last game FWIW... you know who did though? Right. It wasn’t Deadman either.

Yeah I'm talking about playoffs with a healthy roster.

[Chinook]

He's not showing his cards. And the minutes restriction and injuries has forced him into lineups he wouldn't prefer. I could see a lot of small ball in crunch time in the playoffs where Pau doesn't suit us. Unlike using traditional bigs only.

I think he needs to play those units more so they can get time together. Pop has shown he'll go small as an adjustment if he has to, so I don't doubt he'll do it this year. But he still needs to figure out if he'll have a 10th man in the playoffs and make sure that guy's ready. And Joff may cost same games in the meantime due to how scrub he is.

[dabom]

I think he needs to play those units more so they can get time together. Pop has shown he'll go small as an adjustment if he has to, so I don't doubt he'll do it this year. But he still needs to figure out if he'll have a 10th man in the playoffs and make sure that guy's ready. And Joff may cost same games in the meantime due to how scrub he is.

Yeah he's a scrub but I wouldn't worry too much about him.

[SAGirl]

While there are bigs I would definitely take over Joff, simply switching him out still leaves the Spurs too small. Though what helps is that Lauvergne makes enough money to where he can work in a trade if combined with a guy like Forbes, Paul or White.
That kinda what a I have in mind if there’s guys they won’t bring back.

I have observed with Pop that lately he doesn’t keep guys that have no role. Like if he is bringing in a shooter whoever is the last shooter is getting cut. (Technically happened with rasual Butler who played well but was only 30% on the 3, and that’s what Pop wanted). He also cut Ray Mac for Andre Miller. I think they are prepared to be smallish already but if Joff isn’t doing what they got him for he’s the one in the hot seat. They already didn’t care about having a smaller team.

maybe BP3 is in the hot seat, but I doubt it based on what Pop has said. However him and Derrick White are similar in size with White possibly being better (I say possibly bc since he doesn’t play we don’t really know). But you can afford to lose BP3 and just give his role to White. Pop is already playing Forbes and starting him over him. Forbes was playing 30 Min per game while BP3 rode the pine.

[r0drig0lac]

this guy is garbage

[timtonymanu]

I miss David Lee, tbh.

[spursistan]

Poor IQ and intangibles to makeup for the lack of talent..At least Dedmon had a distinctive edge in a couple of areas..

Bad signing; but for the money, it is still less egregious of mistake than the Pau/Mills contracts..

The Spurs offseason is still what we thought it was: horrible..

[emanueldavidginobili]

David Lee during his last season of his career was a trillion times better than Joffrey

[jermaine]

We could run a unit with
Parker Mills Murray
Green Ginobil Forbes
Kawhi Anderson Paul
Gay Bertans Joff
LaMarcus Pau
But this would be to simple an great! Pau don't like to close out on screens, so he shouldn't be starting.

[Seventyniner]

David Lee during his last season of his career was a trillion times better than Joffrey

Lee is also a former All-Star and was a top 2 option for his team at one point. We have seen with Tim, Tony, Manu that extremely talented past-their-prime players are still far better than 26-year-olds signed for the vet min.

[SAGirl]

I had assumed Pop was going small so much that I was shocked Pau started. Having LMA/Pau/Joff at C and Gay/Anderson/Bertans at PF seems better even though I would want Joff even further down the line. But Pop had a chance to go small even with Kawhi hurt, and he still decided to start Pau. I'm not convinced he thinks this big rotation is a problem.
About this. Unless they play smaller they will not take full advantage of Rudy Gay when Kawhi is fully healthy. He's got the perfect body for a small ball 4.

I suspect Kawhi missing 27 games and then the minutes restrictions and no B2B has made Pop keep starting Pau. They started winning with the 2 big lineup anyways, and Pop is going with whatever is working right now bc he doesn't have his full options. When Kyle got hurt, he deprived Pop of another combo forward to play the style he wanted, he started Rudy Gay in Kawhi's stead for some games. Then came all this adapting back to playing with Kawhi, etc. Davis is playing well enough lately as a 4, as well.

Anyways, eventually they will be smallish more often, but one would rather have a better, more reliable guy for Joff's spot. They have been much better off giving minutes to Davis most of the time, though the skillset is entirely different.

[TD 21]

Considering he's the worst player on the team and they can't score to begin with, it should go without saying that he should never play next to Aldridge or Gasol, especially when the opposing team is starting one traditional big.

It's gotten to the point where, even when one of Aldridge or Gasol is inactive, depending on the match-up, I'd strongly consider trying to survive the minutes the other rests with no traditional big; particularly in the 2nd half.



He's still fine for the money. But Pop fucked up big time by thinking the third-big could be a min guy. Too many folks don't get that you can't start Pau and LMA and still reliably stagger their minutes. You need a guy to compete with Joff for minutes, because that role will get minutes.

You can. We've seen it in many games and will continue to. Aldridge's minutes are probably slightly higher than they'd prefer, but that's mostly due to injuries and their inability to blow teams out. Meanwhile, Gasol's minutes are right where they'd like them to be.

At the same time, they definitely need a better third center option for when one of Aldridge or Gasol is unable to play or in foul trouble.

[Uriel]

What's the news on this guy? Is he opting in?

[spurraider21]

What's the news on this guy? Is he opting in?
http://bfy.tw/I9V6

[BackHome]

Lol that was kinda funny.

[SpurPadre]

What's the news on this guy? Is he opting in?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbMFLDb3CbI

[BackHome]

If he Opts In can we just cut him and pay his contract off?

[Uriel]

http://bfy.tw/I9V6
I did that before posting here. I couldn't find anything. So I came here hoping that the SpursTalk insiders would have something.

[tholdren]

Energetic, shoots the three, good roll man, likes to pass, likes to attack the rim, isn't afraid to bang down low. He'll be a fine Lee replacement. Not better than Lee but the Spurs don't have many options after Lee went down and Pop burned his bridges with Dedmon.

Lol

[TimDunkem]

Lol

Nice reach. Where did I say he was good?

[raybies]

#betterthanBell

[tholdren]

Nice reach. Where did I say he was good?

Fine lee replacement.... sad

[TimDunkem]

Fine lee replacement.... sad

Relative to what was out there at the time. He was the only adequate replacement hence "fine". Keep reaching though, generic ducks.

[tholdren]

Relative to what was out there at the time. He was the only adequate replacement hence "fine". Keep reaching though, generic ducks.

Lol fine replacement. Your take was crap.

[TimDunkem]

Lol fine replacement. Your take was crap.

Have you ever had a good one? :lol

[tholdren]

Have you ever had a good one? :lol

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