LVSL Game 3: SA vs Portland

[raybies]

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[TimDunkem]

Guess they really want to win this one.

[raybies]

getting traded?

[raybies]

Just don't understand the minutes restrictions and the missing of games. Wasn't even a back to back. I guess they think they are gonna play tomorrow and are saving him for that.

[jermaine]

getting traded?

I hope so an letting Forbes run point!!

[raybies]

I'm fine as long as White plays otherwise I think I might not be interested.

[Chinook]

Dude's showing that saying the right things and doing them are two completely different things.

[Dex]

I wonder if Murray isn't fully healthy. He seemed to tweak something on a breakaway dunk in his first game in Utah. Couldn't tell if it was an ankle or a groin or something, but he hasn't looked the same since, and is getting a surprising amount of rest for games that should be all about evaluating him and giving him reps.

[Russ]

I wonder if Murray isn't fully healthy. He seemed to tweak something on a breakaway dunk in his first game in Utah. Couldn't tell if it was an ankle or a groin or something, but he hasn't looked the same since, and is getting a surprising amount of rest for games that should be all about evaluating him and giving him reps.

He's warming up with the team and looks fine.

[SnakeBoy]

getting traded?

Yeah Pop has probably completely changed his opinion on Murray because he looks the same as he did 6 weeks ago.

[TheDoctor]

He's warming up with the team and looks fine.
MVRuss w/ the goods

[SAGirl]

Just don't understand the minutes restrictions and the missing of games. Wasn't even a back to back. I guess they think they are gonna play tomorrow and are saving him for that.

I had never seen something like this. No word on him being hurt and honestly he played a lot more than we thought in the playoffs anyways and he wouldn't have if he had even a nick on that groin bc that is how careful Pop is with his players.

He has really barely played, only 3 games and the minutes were 15, 20, 14. That is it.

[SnakeBoy]

I had never seen something like this. No word on him being hurt and honestly he played a lot more than we thought in the playoffs anyways and he wouldn't have if he had even a nick on that groin bc that is how careful Pop is with his players.

He has really barely played, only 3 games and the minutes were 15, 20, 14. That is it.

The purpose of SL isn't to give lots of minutes to guys have already made the roster

[SPURt]

Wow, Barry just said Chip said Forbes is the best shooter that he's ever coached when they started working with him.

[SAGirl]

Dude's showing that saying the right things and doing them are two completely different things.

You have been watching summer league a lot longer than me Chinook... what do you think is going on.

I am just really curious about this. I had never seen something like this. I have seen guys sent home early bc they accomplished what they were there to do and/or Pop wanted to see other guys but it was clear the guys sent home had no need for more practice games. Dijon looks like he needs the practice more than anyone else.

At times I have thought about the trade rumors (thus keeping injury risks short). There is something odd going on.

[r0drig0lac]

splash

[SAGirl]

Guess they really want to win this one.

:lol Isn't this one when the tournament part of summer league begins?

[Dex]

He's warming up with the team and looks fine.

Going through warm ups and playing at NBA speed are different beasts.

[SPURt]

Will Hardy looks like a ventriloquist doll came to life

[TheGreatYacht]

Wow, Barry just said Chip said Forbes is the best shooter that he's ever coached when they started working with him.
Not surprised. Kid shot it at around 45%-50% from deep in College and in the D-League. All he needed was confidence

[Snaq O'Meal]

Will Hardy looks like a ventriloquist doll came to life

I hope they switched him with an actual doll so that Becky can coach the team remotely.

[SPURt]

Not surprised. Kid shot it at around 45%-50% from deep in College and in the D-League. All he needed was confidence
Totally agree. I hope it shows in the RS

[SPURt]

I hope they switched him with an actual doll so that Becky can coach the team remotely.
Either way, I'm pretty sure Pop has a hand up his ass.

[SPURt]

Nice hustle Early. It's not like you don't have a contract or anything.

[NASpurs]

So that's where Jarnell Stokes is at. I had forgotten about him.

[TheGreatYacht]

Holy crap that's RJ Hunter? :lol whitest black guy ever

[Chinook]

You have been watching summer league a lot longer than me Chinook... what do you think is going on.

I am just really curious about this. I had never seen something like this. I have seen guys sent home early bc they accomplished what they were there to do and/or Pop wanted to see other guys but it was clear the guys sent home had no need for more practice games. Dijon looks like he needs the practice more than anyone else.

At times I have thought about the trade rumors (thus keeping injury risks short). There is something odd going on.

My guess is that Murray is having a bit of a crisis. It could be his game or it could be his attitude. The former may require a workshop to get him to fix something. The latter may just take discipline. Murray's always sort of been on an edge between being able to define a new era of Spurs basketball or washing out. His projected attitude has made it seem like the latter might have been possible. But his play and on-court attitude casts doubt.

[TheGreatYacht]

Swanigan was one of the best rebounders in college and he's paired up against Bertans.... How are the Spurs winning?

[SPURt]

Swanigan looks really freaking good. Good pick Portland.

[NASpurs]

So far we've got the shitty Forbes.

[NASpurs]

And then hits a three :lol

[Russ]

These summer league games are extremely physical. Whew.

[TheGreatYacht]

Holy crap, Forbes is too good for the SL :wow

[marinoman]

Forbes plays like a better faster version of mills

[lilbthebasedgod]

So white and murray went out just to let Forbe Brynat chuck?

[TheGreatYacht]

Swanigan is the Austin Rivers to Bertans' Patty Mills

[SAGirl]

Swanigan was one of the best rebounders in college and he's paired up against Bertans.... How are the Spurs winning?

shitton of TO by Portland.

[NASpurs]

Spurs are getting away with playing three white guys. Only in the summer league.

[TheGreatYacht]

So white and murray went out just to let Forbe Brynat chuck?
Na. RC was just too embarrassed by his busts, pulled the plug

[TimDunkem]

Poor James Robinson. Will he ever play even a second?

[Notorious H.O.P.]

This is ridiculous. Forbes with 17 shots in 16 minutes and no one else with more than 4 shots? How the hell can they evaluate anyone else?

[TimDunkem]

This is ridiculous. Forbes with 17 shots in 16 minutes and no one else with more than 4 shots? How the hell can they evaluate anyone else?
It's not like they don't know what they have in everyone else, tbh.

[wildbill2u]

Forbes was such a disappointment in the regular season in his shooting that I thought someone must have scouted the wrong guy. But he is really knocking them down and even scoring off the drive in this SL.
I'm still a little leery about his height and speed, but he's gonna make the team if the SL showing means anything.

[TheGreatYacht]

This is ridiculous. Forbes with 17 shots in 16 minutes and no one else with more than 4 shots? How the hell can they evaluate anyone else?
Mamba mentality. Better than giving those shots to Ledworser or Shittington

[Mr. Body]

The more Murray plays the more guyrs trade value drops. Is that why he's benched?

[SPURt]

Poor Ledbetter:
http://images.f169bbs.com/content/2015-07/one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other-ones-21098.jpg

[buttsR4rebounding]

Forbes was such a disappointment in the regular season in his shooting that I thought someone must have scouted the wrong guy. But he is really knocking them down and even scoring off the drive in this SL.
I'm still a little leery about his height and speed, but he's gonna make the team if the SL showing means anything.

CIA Pop in action. This is just like the year Hill was traded. All summer we heard how Tony was being shopped because the Spurs were ready to turn over the reigns to Hill. Forbes is increasing his trade value so Spurs can dump him so they have room to pick up another big. Making it look like Murray might be dropping on the depth chart...

[silverblackfan]

The game where David fouled out and Tim just wrecked Portland.

[SPURt]

What a weird ass interview RC.

[TheGreatYacht]

CIA Pop in action. This is just like the year Hill was traded. All summer we heard how Tony was being shopped because the Spurs were ready to turn over the reigns to Hill. Forbes is increasing his trade value so Spurs can dump him so they have room to pick up another big. Making it look like Murray might be dropping on the depth chart...
:lmao

[NASpurs]

Steph Forbes carrying these scrubs. Give him the max already.

[Hoops Czar]

Forbes was such a disappointment in the regular season in his shooting that I thought someone must have scouted the wrong guy. But he is really knocking them down and even scoring off the drive in this SL.
I'm still a little leery about his height and speed, but he's gonna make the team if the SL showing means anything.

SL is a step below D-League so it's not surprising. Maybe he doesn't feel he has a guaranteed roster spot and he needs to show off.

[tmtcsc]

What a weird ass interview RC.

Always. Just a weird ass dude.

[SPURt]

Ah, Pop with a make a wish kid. For those not watching I am not talking about Kyle.

[SPURt]

Always. Just a weird ass dude.
He was incoherently mubbling about Joffrey at the end while the white guy was giving the game score.

[r0drig0lac]

blossomgame!!!!

[TheGreatYacht]

We've found Kawhi's Kyrie to his Lebron

[NASpurs]

:wow Blossomgame

[look_at_g_shred]

What did he do?

[NASpurs]

What a weird ass interview RC.


Always. Just a weird ass dude.


He was incoherently mubbling about Joffrey at the end while the white guy was giving the game score.

Is RC our main negotiator during the free agency? Probably explains a lot.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Glad Forbes is coming off the Shot Per Minute pace. Maybe he thinks he gets a free year of Whataburger if he is the Summer League Scoring Leader.

[Snaq O'Meal]

He was incoherently mubbling about Joffrey at the end while the white guy was giving the game score.

And this is when he's sober.

[SPURt]

Is RC our main negotiator during the free agency? Probably explains a lot.
Good thing he isn't required to speak when he gives blow jobs.

[NASpurs]

Good thing he isn't required to speak when he gives blow jobs.

Also explains the mumbling.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Bertans gunning for the Bonner's Plus Minus Leader award.

[Spurs9]

Man Forbes looks completely different from this past season, I hope he can keep this up against NBA teams.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not able to watch the game and I know it's SL, but wtf is Forbes doing out there? 28 pts through 3?

[tonight...you]

I'm not able to watch the game and I know it's SL, but wtf is Forbes doing out there? 28 pts through 3?
The green light was given.

[TheGreatYacht]

That's why Bertans doesn't try to rebound

[NASpurs]

I've never seen someone get injured during a free throw.

[SPURt]

I'm not able to watch the game and I know it's SL, but wtf is Forbes doing out there? 28 pts through 3?
Making sure the Spurs let him try to do it in the regular season

[Notorious H.O.P.]

The green light was given.
That's what can happen when you single handedly take 40% of your team's shots.

[tonight...you]

That's what can happen when you single handedly take 40% of your team's shots.
Uh huh. Look, if the coaches wanted to look at someone else, they would do something. Call plays, take him out. They don't. They are just allowing Forbes to ball right now and that appears what they want.

[TheDoctor]

Also explains the mumbling.
LMAOOOO :lmao

[spursistan]

My guess is that Murray is having a bit of a crisis. It could be his game or it could be his attitude. The former may require a workshop to get him to fix something. The latter may just take discipline. Murray's always sort of been on an edge between being able to define a new era of Spurs basketball or washing out. His projected attitude has made it seem like the latter might have been possible. But his play and on-court attitude casts doubt.

This is just me, but this whole act of snapchatting/instagramming every instance of him putting work in a gym has come off more on the show-offy side..

Dude needs to stop jumping his (potential) story: Do your thing in silence and off the cameras then let others write about it down the road instead of a look-at-me-I'm-a-gym-rat posture that has had zero bearing on his current reality so far..

[SPURt]

Does RJ Hunter look like Chris Cornell to anyone else?

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Uh huh. Look, if the coaches wanted to look at someone else, they would do something. Call plays, take him out. They don't. They are just allowing Forbes to ball right now and that appears what they want.
Don't get me wrong. I want to see Forbes succeed. When the offense dries up, we need someone who can put instant points on the board and hopefully the extra year of seasoning helps Forbes be more comfortable in stepping into that role. Also, I started my comments when he was shooting 35%. He is at 46% now so the increased efficiency helps his case for taking the extra shots.

[TheDoctor]

Another Forbes' 35pt game. Random drug test incoming.

[tonight...you]

Don't get me wrong. I want to see Forbes succeed. When the offense dries up, we need someone who can put instant points on the board and hopefully the extra year of seasoning helps Forbes be more comfortable in stepping into that role. Also, I started my comments when he was shooting 35%. He is at 46% now so the increased efficiency helps his case for taking the extra shots.
Right on. We be of like mind here.

[SPURt]

I don't remember a Spur having a better LV Summer League

[Mr. Body]

Color me impressed by Forbes. He may have dug himself a career as a decent bench guy.

[TheDoctor]

lol Bertans #TheEnforcer

[raybies]

Davis "the elbow" Bertans
Dudes gonna be the first guy ever suspended in SL

[tonight...you]

I don't remember a Spur having a better LV Summer League
Kawhi was destroying peeps, his 2nd SL, before getting called home. I remember that.

[TheDoctor]

lmao love how the "Spurs dont foul" mantra translate even to a bunch of scrubs wearing the Silver & Black.

[TimDunkem]

Swanigan is going to be good.

[SPURt]

Kawhi was destroying peeps, his 2nd SL, before getting called home. I remember that.
Yep, I forgot about that

[Russ]

Forbes calling the team to huddle. Definitely acting like the captain.

[BatManu20]

Love that Bertans doesn't take shit from anybody. That Latvian culture tbh. :tu

[tonight...you]

Forbes calling the team to huddle. Definitely acting like the captain.
There are reasons for this. I believe it's also why Murray is getting no run also. He's shown Pop and Co that he hasn't progressed and Bryn has shown that he has.
Pop has seen enough of Murray and wants to see Bryn in full blossom.

imo

[BatManu20]

Forbes calling the team to huddle. Definitely acting like the captain.

He's been extremely vocal in all these SL games. Taking the natural leadership role, as the best player often does. Good for him tbh.

[raybies]

Choking another game...

[TimDunkem]

Shittington!

[tmtcsc]

He was incoherently mubbling about Joffrey at the end while the white guy was giving the game score.

He said they've been watching Joffrey since his playing days with Bertans. Also said they heard good things about him from Tony in regards to his National team play.

[tmtcsc]

Lol, Bryn Forbes talking to Dennis Scott and treating him like he doesn't know who he is. That guy made 3 pointers in games that counted Bryn. Might want to show a little more respect.

[tonight...you]

Lol, Bryn Forbes talking to Dennis Scott and treating him like he doesn't know who he is. That guy made 3 pointers in games that counted Bryn. Might want to show a little more respect.
Eh... nvm.

[BatManu20]

Lol, Bryn Forbes talking to Dennis Scott and treating him like he doesn't know who he is. That guy made 3 pointers in games that counted Bryn. Might want to show a little more respect.

Probably doesn't even know who he is tbh. Forbes was like 3 when Dennis Scott retired.

[TimDunkem]

Forbes was 1 when Dennis Scott was relevant. :lol

[Snaq O'Meal]

Looks like Hanlan had a decent game too. He needs to dish out more assists as a combo guard.

[Russ]

It looked like Caylee Griffin was interviewing Dejounte after the game. If so, it should be on the Spurs website.

[tonight...you]

What I was going to say. Respect for Dennis Scott... lol.

[TrainOfThought5]

lmao love how the "Spurs dont foul" mantra translate even to a bunch of scrubs wearing the Silver & Black.

[wildbill2u]

I must be crazy since I understood everything RC said. He started with Forbes, joking that he was a 'ball hog'. You definitely got the feeling that they were pushing Forbes forward to shoot in SL from anywhere and to hone his driving game. Might lend some credence to the poster who thought CIA Pop was dangling him as bait.

Re the French guy we just picked up, he mentioned that they had looked at him for a long while on the recommendation of Tony who has played with him on the French team, but they didn't think he would be available. Mentioned he moves well, is a good passer on the PNR, and the guards will be happy with the way he sets a pick. It didn't sound like they picked him up as a fluke or a wild hope.

[tonight...you]

I must be crazy since I understood everything RC said. He started with Forbes, joking that he was a 'ball hog'. You definitely got the feeling that they were pushing Forbes forward to shoot in SL from anywhere and to hone his driving game. Might lend some credence to the poster who thought CIA Pop was dangling him as bait.

Re the French guy we just picked up, he mentioned that they had looked at him for a long while on the recommendation of Tony who has played with him on the French team, but they didn't think he would be available. Mentioned he moves well, is a good passer on the PNR, and the guards will be happy with the way he sets a pick. It didn't sound like they picked him up as a fluke or a wild hope.
He will be the best pick setter since Splitter.

[BatManu20]

the Latvian Laser getting into opponent's heads.

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[NASpurs]

I must be crazy since I understood everything RC said. He started with Forbes, joking that he was a 'ball hog'. You definitely got the feeling that they were pushing Forbes forward to shoot in SL from anywhere and to hone his driving game. Might lend some credence to the poster who thought CIA Pop was dangling him as bait.

Re the French guy we just picked up, he mentioned that they had looked at him for a long while on the recommendation of Tony who has played with him on the French team, but they didn't think he would be available. Mentioned he moves well, is a good passer on the PNR, and the guards will be happy with the way he sets a pick. It didn't sound like they picked him up as a fluke or a wild hope.

Ugh.

[TD 21]

CIA Pop in action. This is just like the year Hill was traded. All summer we heard how Tony was being shopped because the Spurs were ready to turn over the reigns to Hill. Forbes is increasing his trade value so Spurs can dump him so they have room to pick up another big. Making it look like Murray might be dropping on the depth chart...

Was thinking this yesterday. Since they messed up re-signing Mills and to a lesser extent drafting White and have permanently blocked his path to a rotation spot, they should be looking to sell high and shopping him to mediocre and bad teams for an '18 2nd. Pretty sure it would be unprecedented for a non guaranteed player to become a trade asset on the strength of his Summer League play, but it's worth a shot.

[Mr. Body]

I must be crazy since I understood everything RC said. He started with Forbes, joking that he was a 'ball hog'. You definitely got the feeling that they were pushing Forbes forward to shoot in SL from anywhere and to hone his driving game. Might lend some credence to the poster who thought CIA Pop was dangling him as bait.

Re the French guy we just picked up, he mentioned that they had looked at him for a long while on the recommendation of Tony who has played with him on the French team, but they didn't think he would be available. Mentioned he moves well, is a good passer on the PNR, and the guards will be happy with the way he sets a pick. It didn't sound like they picked him up as a fluke or a wild hope.

I can't imagine Forbes is worth anything at all on the market. Are there third round picks? But he is worth something on the Spur's roster and that's what he probably is playing for.

[tonight...you]

the Latvian Laser getting into opponent's heads.

884891474025824256
Americans... they don't even have to be white anymore.

[raybies]

Would hate to see him traded but if Manu comes back he doesn't fit anywhere. Would've been the perfect Patty replacement.

[SAGirl]

I couldn't watch all of this.. how did Davis do? His shooting was off, that i can see from the boxscore, but other things...
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[tonight...you]

I couldn't watch all of this.. how did Davis do? His shooting was off, that i can see from the boxscore, but other things...
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Wasn't happening. If they were asking, he wasn't answering.
Although he was moving a lot more for a game, or two. So...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I must be crazy since I understood everything RC said. He started with Forbes, joking that he was a 'ball hog'. You definitely got the feeling that they were pushing Forbes forward to shoot in SL from anywhere and to hone his driving game. Might lend some credence to the poster who thought CIA Pop was dangling him as bait.

Re the French guy we just picked up, he mentioned that they had looked at him for a long while on the recommendation of Tony who has played with him on the French team, but they didn't think he would be available. Mentioned he moves well, is a good passer on the PNR, and the guards will be happy with the way he sets a pick. It didn't sound like they picked him up as a fluke or a wild hope.

Name the last French guy that Tony recommended that worked out. Boris doesn't count, he was already in the league and a proven player when motivated.

Gonna be another French scrub. Please keep Tony away from the front office after he retires.

[SAGirl]

Wasn't happening. If they were asking, he wasn't answering.
Although he was moving a lot more for a game, or two. So...

Thanks for answering. :tu

[TimDunkem]

Would hate to see him traded but if Manu comes back he doesn't fit anywhere. Would've been the perfect Patty replacement.
I can see one of three things happening:

Someone is traded.
Either Manu or Simmons isn't coming back.
Everyone returns and the Spurs are going small, moving Simmons to SF, Gay and Anderson primarily playing PF, Aldridge playing C.

I'd bet on the third one being the likely outcome

[tonight...you]

Thanks for answering. :tu
Yes ma'am.

[BatManu20]

Bertan's didn't play any differently tbh.

[tonight...you]

I can see one of three things happening:

Someone is traded.
Either Manu or Simmons isn't coming back.
Everyone returns and the Spurs are going small, moving Simmons to SF, Gay and Anderson primarily playing PF, Aldridge playing C.

I'd bet on the third one being the likely outcome
Yeah... pretty astute. Unless something from left field happens. Looks like those are the options for now.
But you never know what's going to happen from here to Trade Deadline.
Probably nothing and this team goes back to the WCF to lose to the GSW again, but shit.
What more can we ask right now? In the minutiae, a lot, but upon looking at the landscape- not much.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Name the last French guy that Tony recommended that worked out. Boris doesn't count, he was already in the league and a proven player when motivated.

Gonna be another French scrub. Please keep Tony away from the front office after he retires.

LJC is still around, albeit on the summer league team. This shows PATFO (or at least Tony) still have faith in him succeeding.

[tonight...you]

LJC is still around, albeit on the summer league team. This shows PATFO (or at least Tony) still have faith in him succeeding.
That flew out the window a long bit ago. LJC is flotsam now. He was only here because commitments.

[TheDoctor]

What a weird ass interview RC.
Yeah I thought he was having a stroke or something tbh. Barry et al asking him questions and he was stuttering not finishing his thoughts completely. In one instance he lost it and went blank to the point the commentator change the subject couple of times in a matter of seconds. From Spurs own Free Agents to Rudy Gay signing and injury to "hey your boys are up 26 points" to see if he can bring RC back from the dimension he had just entered.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Yeah I thought he was having a stroke or something tbh. Barry et al asking him questions and he was stuttering not finishing his thoughts completely. In one instance he lost it and went blank to the point the commentator change the subject couple of times in a matter of seconds. From Spurs own Free Agents to Rudy Gay signing and injury to "hey your boys are up 26 points" to see if he can bring RC back from the dimension he had just entered.

You can see why trade talks kept stalling with that guy around.

[SPURt]

Yeah I thought he was having a stroke or something tbh. Barry et al asking him questions and he was stuttering not finishing his thoughts completely. In one instance he lost it and went blank to the point the commentator change the subject couple of times in a matter of seconds. From Spurs own Free Agents to Rudy Gay signing and injury to "hey your boys are up 26 points" to see if he can bring RC back from the dimension he had just entered.
RC is a strange one. I'm pretty sure this is him at prom:

https://lucyonthegroundwithrocks.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/giphy-3.gif?w=616

[TheGreatYacht]

I couldn't watch all of this.. how did Davis do? His shooting was off, that i can see from the boxscore, but other things...
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Terrible game but ST's favorite son won't receive criticism. Crazy how Forbes will get more of it after dropping 70 in 2 games

[TimDunkem]

Forbes has been a pleasant surprise. If anything, it just makes the Mills deal look worse and worse.

At least, at his age, Forbes actually has upside. We already know who the no-defense playing, no playmaking, choking, undersized SG Fatty Mills is. :lol

[tonight...you]

Forbes has been a pleasant surprise. If anything, it just makes the Mills deal look worse and worse.

At least, at his age, Forbes actually has upside. We already know who the no-defense playing, no playmaking, choking, undersized SG Fatty Mills is. :lol
Or, hopefully, more tradeable...
That shit happens right? Trades?

[TimDunkem]

Or, hopefully, more tradeable...
That shit happens right? Trades?
I just don't see it, tbh. The Spurs need him for the HEB commericals.

Dat culture.

[tonight...you]

I just don't see it, tbh. The Spurs need him for the HEB commericals.

Dat culture.
Dude... you just blew my mind. I wasn't even thinking of Timmy's bro and his HEB commercials.
Props. Damn. I don't think I can go through any more origami/ready-to-heat HEB specials.

I cook my own food!

[TimDunkem]

Mills is the best origami artist on the team and lead towel waver. WE NEED HIM.

[tonight...you]

Mills is the best origami artist on the team and lead towel waver. WE NEED HIM.
#JapaneseCulture?

[TimDunkem]

#FastFoodCulture

This is San Antonio after all.

[tonight...you]

#FastFoodCulture

This is San Antonio after all.
#FoodTruckCulture is now In baby.
The new fast food and we think we're sophisticated because we have to get out of our car to order at an RV window.

So Euro...

[sasaint]

Or, hopefully, more tradeable...
That shit happens right? Trades?

By signing his 12:01 discounted deal with us, Patty made himself the next Spur that PATFO won't trade.

[apalisoc_9]

Was thinking this yesterday. Since they messed up re-signing Mills and to a lesser extent drafting White and have permanently blocked his path to a rotation spot, they should be looking to sell high and shopping him to mediocre and bad teams for an '18 2nd. Pretty sure it would be unprecedented for a non guaranteed player to become a trade asset on the strength of his Summer League play, but it's worth a shot.

You don't trade away potential. What pop is going to do if Forbes is really this good is decrease Murray's minutes and make White a complete D-League player and Put the ball on Leonard more.

It won't surprise me to see Leonard handle the ball as much as he did in the playoffs.

[tonight...you]

By signing his 12:01 discounted deal with us, Patty made himself the next Spur that PATFO won't trade.
Damn... you may be right.

[tonight...you]

You don't trade away potential. What pop is going to do if Forbes is really this good is decrease Murray's minutes and make White a complete D-League player and Put the ball on Leonard more.

It won't surprise me to see Leonard handle the ball as much as he did in the playoffs.
Won't surprise you? It should be expected. Pop is searching for Kawhi's ceiling and he thinks it's Lebron-level.

Old boy is going to have the ball in his hands like Harden last year. Watch that usage rate brother.

[ceperez]

The green light was given.

Here had 18 points at the half.... considering that its only 10 minute quarters!

[tonight...you]

Here had 18 points at the half.... considering that its only 10 minute quarters!
Yup.. green light given.

[ceperez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEqy2hXeG4U

[SAGirl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEqy2hXeG4U
That's impressive.... Specially when Spurs were telling Dijon to pass and are telling Bryn to be aggressive scoring. IMO, one cannot dismiss Dijon completely since he's so young, but Bryn is obviously a better offensive player. Against same level of competition Dijon couldn't score for the life of him. He's been benched bc either he's in trade talks and Spurs don't want to tank his value exposing what they surely already know... or they decided to feature Bryn bc they wanted to see where he's at and Dijon takes the ball away from his hands.

[tonight...you]

That's impressive.... Specially when Spurs were telling Dijon to pass and are telling Bryn to be aggressive scoring. IMO, one cannot dismiss Dijon completely since he's so young, but Bryn is obviously a better offensive player. Against same level of competition Dijon couldn't score for the life of him. He's been benched bc either he's in trade talks and Spurs don't want to tank his value exposing what they surely already know... or they decided to feature Bryn bc they wanted to see where he's at and Dijon takes the ball away from his hands.
Reread the words you typed: They wanted Murray to play-make and Bryn to shoot. Was it a success? I wouldn't say that, but you can see what they wanted to go down and it happened. The results are irrelevant to what they wanted to try, but relevant to what they wanted to see.
Sounds like Summer League to me.

Who you think might be getting traded... not happening.
Dispute me, but there is nothing to dispute until a trade happens.

[Chinook]

I don't think it has much to do with a trade, though I guess it could be a move for an established guard like Beverly. But I doubt it. I think they want him to take the SL seriously, because they need him as either the starting PG or a key backup.

[SAGirl]

Reread the words you typed: They wanted Murray to play-make and Bryn to shoot. Was it a success? I wouldn't say that, but you can see what they wanted to go down and it happened. The results are irrelevant to what they wanted to try, but relevant to what they wanted to see.
Sounds like Summer League to me.

Who you think might be getting traded... not happening.
Dispute me, but there is nothing to dispute until a trade happens.
Oh sure. I am speculating.... it's really odd Dijon's been benched and barely played. That still has my head spinning...

[dabom]

Dejounte started in the Playoffs, not forbes. I think we know where Pop thinks both players are on the totem pole. :lol

[tonight...you]

Oh sure. I am speculating.... it's really odd Dijon's been benched and barely played. That still has my head spinning...
I understand, but I think I can help:
Pop wanted to see growth from him.
It was only a few weeks from the end of the season and he hasn't begun training for the offseason, which will happen in San Diego with Kawhi.
He went and did his shit. It wasn't good enough.

Hopefully the Spurs coaching staff are going to put together a regimen for him to go through to develop what they want before training camp and he's going to be with Kawhi to make sure it sets in.
Summer League is garbage to him right now. He needs time in the oven, on 450 degrees for a hot minute.

[SAGirl]

I don't think it has much to do with a trade, though I guess it could be a move for an established guard like Beverly. But I doubt it. I think they want him to take the SL seriously, because they need him as either the starting PG or a key backup.
It's just so weird. If he isn't hurt why bench him in summer league? Even if he misses 10 shots in a row (that actually happened btw in something like 15 minutes)... anyways that's what SL is for...unless they know he isn't ready to be a featured guy and are protecting his ego... same way they wouldn't feature LJC and play him 30 minutes if they want to still win. Maybe I am in denial and that's what is happening...

[SAGirl]

I understand, but I think I can help:
Pop wanted to see growth from him.
It was only a few weeks from the end of the season and he hasn't begun training for the offseason, which will happen in San Diego with Kawhi.
He went and did his shit. It wasn't good enough.

Hopefully the Spurs coaching staff are going to put together a regimen for him to go through to develop what they want before training camp and he's going to be with Kawhi to make sure it sets in.
Summer League is garbage to him right now. He needs time in the oven, on 450 degrees for a hot minute.
I expected improvement compared to last summer ... not from 6 weeks ago. He's been less selfish and that's it, compared to last summer. That's at least something..

[tonight...you]

I expected improvement compared to last summer ... not from 6 weeks ago. He's been less selfish and that's it, compared to last summer. That's at least something..
Yeah, but he's only 6 weeks removed from last season.
That's the only time he has been able to do things not team related and for personal growth.

The offseason has only just begun.

[tonight...you]

I expected improvement compared to last summer ... not from 6 weeks ago. He's been less selfish and that's it, compared to last summer. That's at least something..
It takes 12 weeks to start a good habit, FYI...

[Chinook]

It's just so weird. If he isn't hurt why bench him in summer league? Even if he misses 10 shots in a row (that actually happened btw in something like 15 minutes)... anyways that's what SL is for...unless they know he isn't ready to be a featured guy and are protecting his ego... same way they wouldn't feature LJC and play him 30 minutes if they want to still win. Maybe I am in denial and that's what is happening...

But the summer league isn't there for Murray to be an asshole on the court. I'm not saying I'd call him that, but he had some questionable decisions, and it was absurd that after four games he still hadn't figured out that the streetball shit he was trying to pull wasn't helping anyone. Murray's going to have to be a good offensive player if he's in the rotation, which means he's going to have to be a positive with the ball in his hands. PATFO probably wanted to see what he could actually do, not watch him failing at AAU moves over and over again.

I actually think it was something that one of the coaches talked to them about. The team in general outside of Forbes has cut down on their showboating and hero-balling.

[SAGirl]

Yeah, but he's only 6 weeks removed from last season.
That's the only time he has been able to do things not team related and for personal growth.

The offseason has only just begun.
You are basically telling me there's nothing else to be gained bc he isn't ready to play better right now? Basically I want to make sure I understand your point. If that's your point, I can see the rationale. Have you seen something similar in any other Spur youngster who was in the roster?

[sasaint]

Won't surprise you? It should be expected. Pop is searching for Kawhi's ceiling and he thinks it's Lebron-level.

Old boy is going to have the ball in his hands like Harden last year. Watch that usage rate brother.

That won't be good for Kawhi or the Spurs. We desperately need a legit #2 option to relieve him so at least SOME responsibility.

[tonight...you]

That won't be good for Kawhi or the Spurs. We desperately need a legit #2 option to relieve him so at least SOME responsibility.
No argument. Just the situation the team is looking at right now.

[SAGirl]

But the summer league isn't there for Murray to be an asshole on the court. I'm not saying I'd call him that, but he had some questionable decisions, and it was absurd that after four games he still hadn't figured out that the streetball shit he was trying to pull wasn't helping anyone. Murray's going to have to be a good offensive player if he's in the rotation, which means he's going to have to be a positive with the ball in his hands. PATFO probably wanted to see what he could actually do, not watch him failing at AAU moves over and over again.

I actually think it was something that one of the coaches talked to them about. The team in general outside of Forbes has cut down on their showboating and hero-balling.
Thanks for that point. Pop and staff certainly wouldn't put up with immaturity of that nature. One of my lasting memories of him is him looking off a guy wide open in the corner to attempt a contested floater in the paint that he missed of course... He has so much talent but doesn't put it together and he won't be able to reach his ceiling or the best possible version of him if he doesn't have the proper fear and he doesn't have it right now.

[tonight...you]

Thanks for that point. Pop and staff certainly wouldn't put up with immaturity of that nature. One of my lasting memories of him is him looking off a guy wide open in the corner to attempt a contested floater in the paint that he missed of course... He has so much talent but doesn't put it together and he won't be able to reach his ceiling or the best possible version of him if he doesn't have the proper fear and he doesn't have it right now.
Like Murray got zero coaching after games...
No, he was doing what he was encouraged to do and he failed.
He was encouraged to lead. He was encouraged to take over. He failed at everything, in the SL and now the coaching staff has to think about this shit.

Bryn became the star of the SL and Murray was pulled so that Bryn could go all out.
Murray may get one more look, but i bet the coaching staff has seen enough for the SL and hope for the best with his training with KL afterwards, before training camp.

[sasaint]

No argument. Just the situation the team is looking at right now.

Paying the piper for some questionable moves the last couple of years.

[sasaint]

Like Murray got zero coaching after games...
No, he was doing what he was encouraged to do and he failed.
He was encouraged to lead. He was encouraged to take over. He failed at everything, in the SL and now the coaching staff has to think about this shit.

Bryn became the star of the SL and Murray was pulled so that Bryn could go all out.
Murray may get one more look, but i bet the coaching staff has seen enough for the SL and hope for the best with his training with KL afterwards, before training camp.

Don't you mean he was doing what he was encouraged not to do?

[tonight...you]

Paying the piper for some questionable moves the last couple of years.
True...
Damn.

I feel lucky just getting our decades of beautiful success, after having watched the brutal 80's and teasing 90's.

Now it's back to that old feeling of being the bridesmaid.

[tonight...you]

Don't you mean he was doing what he was encouraged not to do?
Nope. I feel he was encouraged to exacerbate what he thought he could do. Lead a team as the lead guy.
And he didn't.

So now? We work to move on and reclaim what we can.

I say "we" figuratively.

[SAGirl]

Like Murray got zero coaching after games...
No, he was doing what he was encouraged to do and he failed.
He was encouraged to lead. He was encouraged to take over. He failed at everything, in the SL and now the coaching staff has to think about this shit.

Bryn became the star of the SL and Murray was pulled so that Bryn could go all out.
Murray may get one more look, but i bet the coaching staff has seen enough for the SL and hope for the best with his training with KL afterwards, before training camp.
Roger. I understand your point. Maybe growing pains for him.

[sasaint]

True...
Damn.

I feel lucky just getting our decades of beautiful success, after having watched the brutal 80's and teasing 90's.

Now it's back to that old feeling of being the bridesmaid.

The thing with me is: I would much rather feel like a bridesmaid than the (old) matron of honor. I like the Lauvergne signing because he is at least a guy who is not way past his expiration date like the re-treads PATFO usually tries to re-load with.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Thanks for that point. Pop and staff certainly wouldn't put up with immaturity of that nature. One of my lasting memories of him is him looking off a guy wide open in the corner to attempt a contested floater in the paint that he missed of course... He has so much talent but doesn't put it together and he won't be able to reach his ceiling or the best possible version of him if he doesn't have the proper fear and he doesn't have it right now.

The realisation of potential comprise equal parts of hardware (i.e. physical ability) and software (i.e. the stuff between the ears to put everything together and improve). Murray certainly has the hardware; it's the software that people are worried about.

[tonight...you]

Roger. I understand your point. Maybe growing pains for him.
What we don't take into account: he has had no time to grow yet.

My goodness, it's been a few weeks since they got eliminated.
What is he going to learn?

Give him some time in San Diego with Kawhi and a coaching staff that's given him things to work on.

He is not beyond redemption.

[sasaint]

Nope. I feel he was encouraged to exacerbate what he thought he could do. Lead a team as the lead guy.
And he didn't.

So now? We work to move on and reclaim what we can.

I say "we" figuratively.

I think you are right - on that level. But, to your point about receiving coaching during SL: I am pretty sure the coaches tried to get him to not rely on his AAU/streetball instincts, which he could not do.

[tonight...you]

I think you are right - on that level. But, to your point about receiving coaching during SL: I am pretty sure the coaches tried to get him to not rely on his AAU/streetball instincts, which he could not do.
I feel the opposite. I think they wanted him to go all out on his instincts and see where it gets him.
Which showed it got him TO's.

Now time to play within a structure baby.

[cd98]

Hmm Murray didn't play today? Maybe they took him aside for some practice dribbles?

[ceperez]

I think you are right - on that level. But, to your point about receiving coaching during SL: I am pretty sure the coaches tried to get him to not rely on his AAU/streetball instincts, which he could not do.

Did you see how many coaches the Spurs have on staff this summer league? Was it around 12 of them? Do you think any of them was impressed with Murray's streetball play?

[tonight...you]

Hmm Murray didn't play today? Maybe they took him aside for some practice dribbles?
They saw what they wanted and now the staff has formulated an offseason plan for him. Hopefully including tightening his dribble and playing within the system.

[tonight...you]

Did you see how many coaches the Spurs have on staff this summer league? Was it around 12 of them? Do you think any of them was impressed with Murray's streetball play?
10 of those 12 could have easily been food truck cooks. Let's get real here.

[sasaint]

I didn't notice how many coaches were there, but the one that counts was certainly paying attention, and he was cringing.

[sasaint]

I feel the opposite. I think they wanted him to go all out on his instincts and see where it gets him.
Which showed it got him TO's.

Now time to play within a structure baby.

So, you think it was all part of the deconstruction of Dijon plan before reconstructing him as a Spur?

[cd98]

They saw what they wanted and now the staff has formulated an offseason plan for him. Hopefully including tightening his dribble and playing within the system.

I went to some games early last season to watch the shoot around. These NBA players are amazing in shoot around. They ball has nice rotaton and they nail jumpers from everywhere. Even the "scrubs" were amazing.

And then I watched Murray clang jumper after jumper. I want him to be good. But he can't dribble. He can't shoot. He can't pass. He can't finish well. I mean, how can he be our starting PG or even our 2nd string guard? His only positive is his measurable ( height and wingspan). He needs a lot of work and one summer with Kawhi isn't enough.

[tonight...you]

I didn't notice how many coaches were there, but the one that counts was certainly paying attention, and he was cringing.
Yup. The one that counts. This SL is some real shit to the real coaches, Bryn is going to get some experimental time and, if Simmons stay, he will see starting duties.

None of it will work out, but Pop will figure something out by the time of the playoffs to not get swept out of the 1 round and may even do things to get to the WCF.
That's how badass Pop is.

[tonight...you]

So, you think it was all part of the deconstruction of Dijon plan before reconstructing him as a Spur?
You've never been in the military, have you?

[tonight...you]

I went to some games early last season to watch the shoot around. These NBA players are amazing in shoot around. They ball has nice rotaton and they nail jumpers from everywhere. Even the "scrubs" were amazing.

And then I watched Murray clang jumper after jumper. I want him to be good. But he can't dribble. He can't shoot. He can't pass. He can't finish well. I mean, how can he be our starting PG or even our 2nd string guard? His only positive is his measurable ( height and wingspan). He needs a lot of work and one summer with Kawhi isn't enough.
No argument.

[rastaspur]

What we don't take into account: he has had no time to grow yet.

My goodness, it's been a few weeks since they got eliminated.
What is he going to learn?

Give him some time in San Diego with Kawhi and a coaching staff that's given him things to work on.

He is not beyond redemption.

Your my boy and all but I got to disagree with you to a degree.

Six weeks of being in a gym can yield results. Back when I played ball daily for several hours I would always go shoot and play by myself and work on moves, pivots, footwork that I would see watching nba games.

My goal was to add a new move every week to expand my arsenal. And then to keep fine tuning my existing moves.

In a 6 week period over the summer I managed to add several ginobili moves, spin moves, and a shit ton of post moves.

So I gotta disagree that six weeks isn't enough time to improve on anything.

This gym rat persona he is trying to sell just doesn't seem believable. He seems to be spending more time talking about the gym than actually accomplishing anything in it.

[dabom]

Your my boy and all but I got to disagree with you to a degree.

Six weeks of being in a gym can yield results. Back when I played ball daily for several hours I would always go shoot and play by myself and work on moves, pivots, footwork that I would see watching nba games.

My goal was to add a new move every week to expand my arsenal. And then to keep fine tuning my existing moves.

In a 6 week period over the summer I managed to add several ginobili moves, spin moves, and a shit ton of post moves.

So I gotta disagree that six weeks isn't enough time to improve on anything.

This gym rat persona he is trying to sell just doesn't seem believable. He seems to be spending more time talking about the gym than actually accomplishing anything in it.

:lmao

[tonight...you]

Your my boy and all but I got to disagree with you to a degree.

Six weeks of being in a gym can yield results. Back when I played ball daily for several hours I would always go shoot and play by myself and work on moves, pivots, footwork that I would see watching nba games.

My goal was to add a new move every week to expand my arsenal. And then to keep fine tuning my existing moves.

In a 6 week period over the summer I managed to add several ginobili moves, spin moves, and a shit ton of post moves.

So I gotta disagree that six weeks isn't enough time to improve on anything.

This gym rat persona he is trying to sell just doesn't seem believable. He seems to be spending more time talking about the gym than actually accomplishing anything in it.
Yeah, so 6 weeks of work would have put you on an NBA level of skill level?
So easy bro...
My Gawd! A few weeks of training at the YMCA and I got mad post skills!
That was garbage and now I don't want you to rep me and (I was going to say "Your", but now it's) my insane campaign.

Much to your chagrin, I'm sure.

[sasaint]

You've never been in the military, have you?

Doesn't matter. Pop has, and that is where he comes from as a coach - part of what sets him so completely apart as a coach.

[tonight...you]

Doesn't matter. Pop has, and that is where he comes from as a coach - part of what sets him so completely apart as a coach.
Bro, don't you know that deconstruction and rebuilding is what the military does?
Hence my assumption.

This is what the military does.

[sasaint]

Bro, don't you know that deconstruction and rebuilding is what the military does?
Hence my assumption.

This is what the military does.

Absolutely! That's why I brought up deconstruction and reconstruction and I said what I did about Pop.

[tonight...you]

Absolutely! That's why I said what I did about Pop.
True... I reread. We on the same wave-length.

My bad, brother.

[sasaint]

True... I reread. We on the same wave-length.

My bad, brother.

Not a bad at all. :toast

[Chinook]

I think that the "go out there and show us what you can do" session was last year. They gave him a set of instructions this time, and he was probably benched because he hasn't done them. It's possible that he has grossly misinterpreted their advice, like thinking that "being aggressive" and "trying to cross people over every time down the court" are the same thing. There is definitely and experience barrier for him, but he's not letting himself hit it yet, because he's too busy doing dumb shit. Sitting out and watching Bryn be aggressive and inefficient without being an outright train wreck should help him gain some perspective.

[tmtcsc]

I didn't notice how many coaches were there, but the one that counts was certainly paying attention, and he was cringing.

Are you talking about Pop? He was talking to some kid with a fake Pop beard the whole game.

[Ocotillo]

If Forbes can get his shot off and not be a total liability on defense at the NBA level, maybe that means Patty could be a mid-season trade deadline possibility.

[rastaspur]

Yeah, so 6 weeks of work would have put you on an NBA level of skill level?
So easy bro...
My Gawd! A few weeks of training at the YMCA and I got mad post skills!
That was garbage and now I don't want you to rep me and (I was going to say "Your", but now it's) my insane campaign.

Much to your chagrin, I'm sure.

I improved drastically. Hard work pays off.

It's not about whether it made me an nba level talent, because it didnt.

It was about the journey of improvement from point a to point b.

In high school I got cut from the junior varsity squad my sophomore year. Coach told me I wasn't big enough to be anything but a guard and he had to cut me because I couldn't even dribble with my left hand.

A year later and I was the starting point guard on the varsity. Why? Because the coach basically called me out and said I sucked and wouldn't make the team. I worked on my handles, pick and roll, etc night and day and in a years time turned my weaknesses into strengths.

Saying someone can't improve at all in a six week period is a cop out imo.
My point being is that pride can be a hell of a motivator.

Here is hoping murray's abysmal summer league showing will dent his pride and be a he'll of a motivation for improvement.

[sasaint]

Are you talking about Pop? He was talking to some kid with a fake Pop beard the whole game.

Sure. That was today? I only saw the last quarter.

[tonight...you]

I think that the "go out there and show us what you can do" session was last year. They gave him a set of instructions this time, and he was probably benched because he hasn't done them. It's possible that he has grossly misinterpreted their advice, like thinking that "being aggressive" and "trying to cross people over every time down the court" are the same thing. There is definitely and experience barrier for him, but he's not letting himself hit it yet, because he's too busy doing dumb shit. Sitting out and watching Bryn be aggressive and inefficient without being an outright train wreck should help him gain some perspective.
Uh huh, like I said: he was given direction by the Coaching staff and failed.
Now the staff is watching Bryn and what he can do. Hopefully Murray will take notice and humble himself to be a player within himself.

[tonight...you]

I improved drastically. Hard work pays off.

It's not about whether it made me an nba level talent, because it didnt.

It was about the journey of improvement from point a to point b.

In high school I got cut from the junior varsity squad my sophomore year. Coach told me I wasn't big enough to be anything but a guard and he had to cut me because I couldn't even dribble with my left hand.

A year later and I was the starting point guard on the varsity. Why? Because the coach basically called me out and said I sucked and wouldn't make the team. I worked on my handles, pick and roll, etc night and day and in a years time turned my weaknesses into strengths.

Saying someone can't improve at all in a six week period is a cop out imo.
My point being is that pride can be a hell of a motivator.

Here is hoping murray's abysmal summer league showing will dent his pride and be a he'll of a motivation for improvement.
My simple point is: 6 weeks does not make an NBA improvement.
He may never do anything in the League, but 6 weeks is nothing to NBA level of play.

This kid needs time to stew over good advice and good habits with players and coaches who know how it's done and it's going to take a hot minute for him to corral what he's got and develop what he can do.

[tmtcsc]

I think that the "go out there and show us what you can do" session was last year. They gave him a set of instructions this time, and he was probably benched because he hasn't done them. It's possible that he has grossly misinterpreted their advice, like thinking that "being aggressive" and "trying to cross people over every time down the court" are the same thing. There is definitely and experience barrier for him, but he's not letting himself hit it yet, because he's too busy doing dumb shit. Sitting out and watching Bryn be aggressive and inefficient without being an outright train wreck should help him gain some perspective.

Murray did less than perform well - HE WAS BAD. I mean awful. He had no respect whatsoever for his opponent who ended up stealing the ball right out of his hands. It reminded me of Patrick Beverly all over again. Nah, the kid sucks and has shown NOTHING but unwarranted confidence. I've known people like him, completely full of shit and dishonest with themselves. They believe their own hype. He's been told he's good since a very young age, hangs out with people who are actually good because....well he thinks he deserves to hang with them and will thus be associated with them. Its just pure immaturity. I doubt he makes it in the league. A little harsh? Maybe, but I don't think so.

The Spurs would be smart to trade this child with TP's crap contract and get some players who actually know how to play and are worth a damn.

[rastaspur]

My simple point is: 6 weeks does not make an NBA improvement.
He may never do anything in the League, but 6 weeks is nothing to NBA level of play.

This kid needs time to stew over good advice and good habits with players and coaches who know how it's done and it's going to take a hot minute for him to corral what he's got and develop what he can do.

6 weeks of time is plenty enough time in any profession to learn a few more skills, be it the legal, medical, construction industry or the nba for that matter.

His retarded ass high dribble would be a good example. He hasn't corrected it in a years time.

I am pretty sure if you take 100 nba player's with a high dribble and tell them to work on it exclusively for 6 weeks I would imagine at least 99% of them would show some noticeable level of improvement.

So if he chose three to four flaws to work on extensively for a six week period an nba level improvement should logically follow.

Jordan is a great example. He took a year off to play baseball. A good bit of that time he spent playing baseball, a good bit drinking and gambling, and some time honing his basketball skills.

And what happens? He only returns with the most deadly guard post up game the league has ever seen. He was an absolute beast and showed a ton of improvement.

Why? Repetition after repetition. Why? Driven by pride to be the best when he returned.

[tonight...you]

6 weeks of time is plenty enough time in any profession to learn a few more skills, be it the legal, medical, construction industry or the nba for that matter.

His retarded ass high dribble would be a good example. He hasn't corrected it in a years time.

I am pretty sure if you take 100 nba player's with a high dribble and tell them to work on it exclusively for 6 weeks I would imagine at least 99% of them would show some noticeable level of improvement.

So if he chose three to four flaws to work on extensively for a six week period an nba level improvement should logically follow.

Jordan is a great example. He took a year off to play baseball. A good bit of that time he spent playing baseball, a good bit drinking and gambling, and some time honing his basketball skills.

And what happens? He only returns with the most deadly guard post up game the league has ever seen. He was an absolute beast and showed a ton of improvement.

Why? Repetition after repetition. Why? Driven by pride to be the best when he returned.
No. Physical habits take 12 weeks.

[rastaspur]

No. Physical habits take 12 weeks.

Link? :lol

We aren't going to see eye to eye on this issue. It's cool though. For the sake of the spurs I hope your opinion is more accurate than mine. :bobo

[SAGirl]

I went to some games early last season to watch the shoot around. These NBA players are amazing in shoot around. They ball has nice rotaton and they nail jumpers from everywhere. Even the "scrubs" were amazing.

And then I watched Murray clang jumper after jumper. I want him to be good. But he can't dribble. He can't shoot. He can't pass. He can't finish well. I mean, how can he be our starting PG or even our 2nd string guard? His only positive is his measurable ( height and wingspan). He needs a lot of work and one summer with Kawhi isn't enough.
It already shows the entire NBA season wasn't enough... it's too soon and the guy is young but he's still far from where he needs to be and I agree I don't think 1 offseason is going to be enough...maybe continued improvement through the season...

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFJkproPggM

[SAGirl]

I improved drastically. Hard work pays off.

It's not about whether it made me an nba level talent, because it didnt.

It was about the journey of improvement from point a to point b.

In high school I got cut from the junior varsity squad my sophomore year. Coach told me I wasn't big enough to be anything but a guard and he had to cut me because I couldn't even dribble with my left hand.

A year later and I was the starting point guard on the varsity. Why? Because the coach basically called me out and said I sucked and wouldn't make the team. I worked on my handles, pick and roll, etc night and day and in a years time turned my weaknesses into strengths.

Saying someone can't improve at all in a six week period is a cop out imo.
My point being is that pride can be a hell of a motivator.

Here is hoping murray's abysmal summer league showing will dent his pride and be a he'll of a motivation for improvement.
Great point. I definitely think some of that is involved, while keeping it subdued and in house. Spurs way they keep stuff like that, which makes perfect sense in house.

[kobyz]

Spurs should cut Bartens, he's waste of a roster spot...

[duncan2k5]

They are handling Murray wrong...benching him will only make him press more and be scared to make mistakes....just let him play...it is the summer league...who gives a shit if we win or lose? At this point I hope they get rid of him and he becomes good on a other team...pop's ego is out of control now

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You don't trade away potential. What pop is going to do if Forbes is really this good is decrease Murray's minutes and make White a complete D-League player and Put the ball on Leonard more.

It won't surprise me to see Leonard handle the ball as much as he did in the playoffs.

You're making the classic mistake of thinking playing time in professional sports is largely based on merit. The scenario you're describing is possible . . . until Parker returns.

Even though trading Mills in a year is the logical end game if Forbes is legit, they don't have the balls to go through with it.

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You're making the classic mistake of thinking playing time in professional sports is largely based on merit. The scenario you're describing is possible . . . until Parker returns.

Even though trading Mills in a year is the logical end game if Forbes is legit, they don't have the balls to go through with it.

Leonard was handling the ball significantly more even during Parker resurgence in the playoffs. I'd argue that was the main reason why Tony looked spry. It was much easier for Tony to attack after receiving the ball from a swing pass.

If Pop is convinced and he plays Leonard the same way he did in the playoffs, there's playing time for forbes and if he plays at an unexpected level he'll eat some of Parker-Manu-Mills minutes.

I don't expect to play Tony any more than 23mpg next season...

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Leonard was handling the ball significantly more even during Parker resurgence in the playoffs. I'd argue that was the main reason why Tony looked spry. It was much easier for Tony to attack after receiving the ball from a swing pass.

If Pop is convinced and he plays Leonard the same way he did in the playoffs, there's playing time for forbes and if he plays at an unexpected level he'll eat some of Parker-Manu-Mills minutes.

I don't expect to play Tony any more than 23mpg next season...

I don't mean how they play, but who plays. Presuming Ginobili and Simmons both return: Parker, Green, Leonard, Mills, Ginobili, Simmons, will be the six perimeter players in the rotation and if one doesn't return, Anderson will take their spot.

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I don't mean how they play, but who plays. Presuming Ginobili and Simmons both return: Parker, Green, Leonard, Mills, Ginobili, Simmons, will be the six perimeter players in the rotation and if one doesn't return, Anderson will take their spot.

I know, but how they play can dictate the rotation. If the reports are true that Leonard is going to handle the ball even more than he did in the playoffs, There's reason to reduce the minutes of those six mentioned by a few mins and have it handed to Forbes..

Any by mins, I mean 10mpg...

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I know, but how they play can dictate the rotation. If the reports are true that Leonard is going to handle the ball even more than he did in the playoffs, There's reason to reduce the minutes of those six mentioned by a few mins and have it handed to Forbes..

Any by mins, I mean 10mpg...

Of course, no team plays more players relatively significant minutes throughout the course of a season than Spurs, but I'm speaking specifically about the all hands on deck and playoff rotation. When push comes to shove, no matter what he does, if they're healthy, he's not in it.

Should have drafted Bell or another big, not jumped the gun on Mills and signed an actual starting PG. Things would be so much cleaner right now.

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Of course, no team plays more players relatively significant minutes throughout the course of a season than Spurs, but I'm speaking specifically about the all hands on deck and playoff rotation. When push comes to shove, no matter what he does, if they're healthy, he's not in it.

Should have drafted Bell or another big, not jumped the gun on Mills and signed an actual starting PG. Things would be so much cleaner right now.
I'm calling it now: Patty is going to be traded by next year's trade deadline.

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I'm calling it now: Patty is going to be traded by next year's trade deadline.

ohhhh one could wish.

I will tell you what though... I am not counting on it... or expecting it.

But the Spurs will need another star next to Kawhi in the upcoming season. Roleplayers really start losing their value if you don't have true stars that they can play around and LMA is either going to walk for nothing or get traded if he continues to be disgruntled.

At some point in the future Spurs will have to make a move for talent, and for that you need some trade assets and guys in mid tier contracts.

[tonight...you]

ohhhh one could wish.

I will tell you what though... I am not counting on it... or expecting it.

But the Spurs will need another star next to Kawhi in the upcoming season. Roleplayers really start losing their value if you don't have true stars that they can play around and LMA is either going to walk for nothing or get traded if he continues to be disgruntled.

At some point in the future Spurs will have to make a move for talent, and for that you need some trade assets and guys in mid tier contracts.
SO, long story short:
You agree it could happen, but you don't expect it.

He certainly could be an enticing sweetener in a deal, later... right?

I called it.