Kid Rock confirms Michigan Senate run

[ducks]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/12/kid-rock-confirms-michigan-senate-run.html

[ducks]

Rock the democract!!

[ducks]

USA USA USA

[spurraider21]

well he's certainly not the least qualified republican candidate in recent memory

[Thread]

well he's certainly not the least qualified republican candidate in recent memory

Let's hope he runs his opponent to ground and leaves her where he found her like the least qualified republican did November 8th last.

[Adam Lambert]

lmao republicans

[Reck]

Right up there with Curt Schilling. :lol

[baseline bum]

lol the party of white trash

[rjv]

if it keeps him from making any more music it may have some benefits to at least one industry.

[monosylab1k]

:lmao we're bout to live in a world where Kid Rock is a Senator. This country is definitely freefalling. When "The Fall Of The US Empire" is written by some historian in 200 years, 2016 will definitely be the year pinpointed.

[Thread]

:lmao we're bout to live in a world where Kid Rock is a Senator. This country is definitely freefalling.

Just open the fuckin' phone lines.

[monosylab1k]

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Solly cholly, you're on the list.

[Chucho]

:lmao we're bout to live in a world where Kid Rock is a Senator. This country is definitely freefalling. When "The Fall Of The US Empire" is written by some historian in 200 years, 2016 will definitely be the year pinpointed.

California and Schwartz say "Thanks for overlooking the massive cesspool we turned California into." .

The country is only free falling to the willfully ignorant and furious zealots from the Fascist Left that lost, the Failed Reich.

[Chucho]

Solly cholly, you're on the list.


LOL, triggered by Cub?? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Ignore Lists, safe spaces, same difference.

[DMC]

It's not like Hollywood celebs don't run the country already. The POTUS is a reality TV star and celebs have more say in how the country is run than entire states have.

[monosylab1k]

California and Schwartz say "Thanks for overlooking the massive cesspool we turned California into." .

The country is only free falling to the willfully ignorant and furious zealots from the Fascist Left that lost, the Failed Reich.

Who are you? Actually, I don't care, just stop talking to me.

[Th'Pusher]

It's not like Hollywood celebs don't run the country already. The POTUS is a reality TV star and celebs have more say in how the country is run than entire states have.

Thought provoking shitpost

[Reck]

It's not like Hollywood celebs don't run the country already. The POTUS is a reality TV star and celebs have more say in how the country is run than entire states have.

Post one example.

[Chucho]

Who are you? Actually, I don't care, just stop talking to me.


LOL. Ignore list/Safe space me, sweetie. Sorry you're on the wrong side of history, but ignoring people that point the obvious out to you won't change that.

[Chucho]

Post one example.

The amount of idolization and sycophancy in American culture.


Boom.

[hater]

lol the party of white trash

Sure
But that party mopped the floor with the party of the poor, miserable and brown/black

[Adam Lambert]

100%serious here, id rather my party collapse into oblivion than become the party of kid fucking rock. :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

100%serious here, id rather my party collapse into oblivion than become the party of kid fucking rock. :lmao

Your party already collapsed

100% serious

[Adam Lambert]

Your party already collapsed

100% serious

not my party, but regardless, the dems will be back thanks to republicans willingness to take an ar15 to their feet.

[SnakeBoy]

not my party, but regardless, the dems will be back thanks to republicans willingness to take an ar15 to their feet.

Oh that's right, we're all independents on ST :lol

[Reck]

Your party already collapsed

100% serious

:lol collapse

Republicans only having a 4 edge seat in the senate, two of which caucuses with the dems so its really more like a 2 seat edge. :lol colapsed he said. :lol

[baseline bum]

:lol collapse

Republicans only having a 4 edge seat in the senate, two of which caucuses with the dems so its really more like a 2 seat edge. :lol colapsed he said. :lol

Of the 33 senate seats up for election in 2018, 25 of them are Democrats' seats. Almost no way the GOP doesn't pick up senate seats in 2018.

[TSA]

:lol collapse

Republicans only having a 4 edge seat in the senate, two of which caucuses with the dems so its really more like a 2 seat edge. :lol colapsed he said. :lol
Reck is clearly not a political junkie :lol

How Bad Is the Democratic Senate Map for 2018?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/05/09/how_bad_is_the_democratic_senate_map_for_2018_1338 23.html

Every political junkie knows the Senate map is bad for Democrats. Over half of the Democratic caucus will be up for re-election, and some of these incumbents represent highly red states such as Montana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Indiana and Missouri. No party would want to go into a midterm defending a map like that.

This Is a Really Bad Democratic Map -- But It’s Not Unprecedented

http://assets.realclear.com/images/41/413164_5_.jpg

When a party has a map like this one, they often lose seats.


Democratic Outcomes Range From Decent to Disastrous

:rollin

[sickdsm]

The problem is when people are blinded by parties. People treat politics like it's the NFL. Defend "your guy" and run down the others just because of the letter after the name. Really can't see why anyone would register as a Republican or a Democrat.

Read the story about The Rock possibly looking at a presidential run. Really don't see much difference between history electing war hero's vs celebrities. Name recognition. I'd rather deal with the Al Franken, Reagan's of the us than career politicians.

[sickdsm]

First kid rock lyric that came to mind was:


"Got a business mind so if I lose the funk, I'll still be in the house getting paid like Trump"

[Reck]

Of the 33 senate seats up for election in 2018, 25 of them are Democrats' seats. Almost no way the GOP doesn't pick up senate seats in 2018.

They're unlikely to regain the senate but they're not going to lose seats en mass either.

Look at the special elections if you're looking for a tell. Red ruby states were within points.

[Reck]

Reck is clearly not a political junkie :lol

How Bad Is the Democratic Senate Map for 2018?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/05/09/how_bad_is_the_democratic_senate_map_for_2018_1338 23.html

Every political junkie knows the Senate map is bad for Democrats. Over half of the Democratic caucus will be up for re-election, and some of these incumbents represent highly red states such as Montana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Indiana and Missouri. No party would want to go into a midterm defending a map like that.

This Is a Really Bad Democratic Map -- But It’s Not Unprecedented

http://assets.realclear.com/images/41/413164_5_.jpg

When a party has a map like this one, they often lose seats.


Democratic Outcomes Range From Decent to Disastrous

:rollin

You're own links always end up betarying you.

Bad map...but not unpresedented.


In 2012 Democrats were competing in the exact same states that they will be next year, but they managed to gain two seats. That’s partially because of a favorable national environment -- President Obama won his second term that year. But bad Republican candidate recruitment also helped Democrats. In Missouri, Todd Akin lost to Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill partially because of his remarks on “legitimate rape.” Indiana Republican Richard Mourdock also faced some backlash for his comments on abortion. Additionally, strong candidates in Montana, West Virginia and North Dakota were able to beat Republicans in friendly territory. That added up to a good year for Democratic Senate candidates.

Two way street. Trump makes things worse for republicans not better.

[TeyshaBlue]

Fred Thompson, Al Franken.... This is not news.

[Pavlov]

Fred Thompson, Al Franken.... This is not news.Those guys though.

What is word?

Not anus.

[Reck]

Of the 33 senate seats up for election in 2018, 25 of them are Democrats' seats. Almost no way the GOP doesn't pick up senate seats in 2018.


Reck is clearly not a political junkie :lol

How Bad Is the Democratic Senate Map for 2018?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/05/09/how_bad_is_the_democratic_senate_map_for_2018_1338 23.html

Every political junkie knows the Senate map is bad for Democrats. Over half of the Democratic caucus will be up for re-election, and some of these incumbents represent highly red states such as Montana, North Dakota, West Virginia, Indiana and Missouri. No party would want to go into a midterm defending a map like that.

This Is a Really Bad Democratic Map -- But It’s Not Unprecedented

http://assets.realclear.com/images/41/413164_5_.jpg

When a party has a map like this one, they often lose seats.


Democratic Outcomes Range From Decent to Disastrous

:rollin

While we're on the subject of probability, this happened.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/democratic-candidates-just-pulled-off-surprise-wins-in-two-oklahoma-statehouse-races

[TSA]

You're own links always end up betarying you.

Bad map...but not unpresedented.



Two way street. Trump makes things worse for republicans not better.

:lol 2 seat edge
:lol political junkie

[Reck]

:lol 2 seat edge
:lol political junkie

In typical TSA fashion he ignores the hard facts and makes up his own.

And when did I say I was a political junkie? You said it, not me retard.

Ingoring:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/democratic-candidates-just-pulled-off-surprise-wins-in-two-oklahoma-statehouse-races

:lol

[TSA]

In typical TSA fashion he ignores the hard facts and makes up his own.

And when did I say I was a political junkie? You said it, not me retard.

Ingoring:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/democratic-candidates-just-pulled-off-surprise-wins-in-two-oklahoma-statehouse-races

:lol

You ignored the entire article I posted outlining how grim 2018 looks for senate Dems.
:lol 2 seat edge
:lol praying for child prostitution busts
:lol political junkie

[Reck]

You ignored the entire article I posted outlining how grim 2018 looks for senate Dems.
:lol 2 seat edge
:lol praying for child prostitution busts
:lol political junkie

You wanted an example of how you keep repeating yourself over and over until the other person just gets tired of your word game?

Well there you go. :lol retard

[Reck]

:lol 2 seat edge
:lol political junkie


You ignored the entire article I posted outlining how grim 2018 looks for senate Dems.
:lol 2 seat edge
:lol praying for child prostitution busts
:lol political junkie


I'm not going to waste my whole night proving something you do often.



:lmao :lmao :lmao

[TSA]

You wanted an example of how you keep repeating yourself over and over until the other person just gets tired of your word game?

Well there you go. :lol retard

Yesterday you said my schtick was answering questions with questions.



The way to definitively determine if it is Chump is to respond to his question with a question. If it is Chump he'll respond to your question with a question in which case you respond with to his question with your original question...and so on. If this process continues for 10 pages it is definitely Chump.


Pretty sure you're describing TSA here. That's his schtick.

Today you say my schtick is repeating myself over and over, which you didn't even get right because what you quoted were not the same at all.

Do I have two schticks now or are you just retarded?

[Reck]

Yesterday you said my schtick was answering questions with questions.



Today you say my schtick is repeating myself over and over, which you didn't even get right because what you quoted were not the same at all.

Do I have two schticks now or are you just retarded?

Repeating yourself covers repeating questions over and over again.

In one day you've done it here and with Pavlov. You're a dumbass who cant come up with an original thought to save your life.

Your shtick is to come up with a prepared rightwing talking point, then have the other person rebuke it, then you go on 2-3 pages parroting the same shit because you have nothing else.

[hater]

Your party already collapsed

100% serious

:lmao :lol

[Adam Lambert]

Oh that's right, we're all independents on ST :lol

make no mistake i vote straight party democrat right now and will continue to do so as long as they remain the only viable opposition to the party of donald trump and evangelical intervention into my shit and my womans shit.

[TSA]

Repeating yourself covers repeating questions over and over again.

In one day you've done it here and with Pavlov. You're a dumbass who cant come up with an original thought to save your life.

Your shtick is to come up with a prepared rightwing talking point, then have the other person rebuke it, then you go on 2-3 pages parroting the same shit because you have nothing else.

Repeating means the same. What you quoted wasn't me repeating myself. And Chump's schtick wasn't repeating questions it was just responding to questions with questions.

You're a dumbass who doesn't know the definition of repeat.

And now I apparently have a 3rd schtick :rollin

[TSA]

make no mistake i vote straight party democrat right now and will continue to do so as long as they remain the only viable opposition to the party of donald trump and evangelical intervention into my shit and my womans shit.

You sure play the fag schtick pretty well here :rollin

[sickdsm]

make no mistake i vote straight party democrat right now and will continue to do so as long as they remain the only viable opposition to the party of donald trump and evangelical intervention into my shit and my womans shit.

That doesn't soundlike the Democratic party to me

[hater]

make no mistake i vote straight party democrat right now and will continue .

Yeah this was you last november

https://img.rt.com/files/2016.11/article/5822e637c461889c438b45c4.jpg

[Reck]

Repeating means the same. What you quoted wasn't me repeating myself. And Chump's schtick wasn't repeating questions it was just responding to questions with questions.

You're a dumbass who doesn't know the definition of repeat.

And now I apparently have a 3rd schtick :rollin

You're being owned by several people in one day so I understand if you're having a difficult time understanding logic.

It doesn't matter if its questions or the same posts. The end result is the same. you repeat yourself until the other person gets enough of your boring shtick.

Refer to post 40 on this thread.

And Pavlov just fucked your brain so bad you kept repeating yourself without end.


timeline off



please update timeline


Fix your timeline


Fix timeline.


Fix timeline.

:lmao tell me again how you dont ask the same questions and repeat yourself? Stupid faggot.

[TSA]

You're being owned by several people in one day so I understand if you're having a difficult time understanding logic.

It doesn't matter if its questions or the same posts. The end result is the same. you repeat yourself until the other person gets enough of your boring shtick.

Refer to post 40 on this thread.

And Pavlov just fucked your brain so bad you kept repeating yourself without end.









:lmao tell me again how you dont ask the same questions and repeat yourself? Stupid faggot.

The only way to counter chumpdumper is to be chumpdumper. I learned this a long time ago.

[Pavlov]

The only way to counter chumpdumper is to be chumpdumper. I learned this a long time ago.But you be Nbadan conspiracy wimp now.

[SnakeBoy]

make no mistake i vote straight party democrat right now and will continue to do so as long as they remain the only viable opposition to the party of donald trump and evangelical intervention into my shit and my womans shit.

and i vote straight party republican right now and will continue to do so as long as they remain the only viable opposition to the party of leftists and sjw intervention into my shit and my womans shit.

[Adam Lambert]

and i vote straight party republican right now and will continue to do so as long as they remain the only viable opposition to the party of leftists and sjw intervention into my shit and my womans shit.

yes i know you faggots think :cry sjws :cry that trigger you by being in the news you watch are the biggest problems in the country.

:cry leftists :cry
:cry they make hannity angry therefore i am angry :cry

fucking idiot.

[Adam Lambert]

That doesn't soundlike the Democratic party to me

you seriously make no sense dude. i dont even know how to argue with you because i feel like youre just practicing your english.

[spurraider21]

:cry safe spaces are ruining the country :cry

and then when i make a thread asking posters here if they've ever experienced or been affected by a safe space.... crickets

[Adam Lambert]

:cry safe spaces are ruining the country :cry

and then when i make a thread asking posters here if they've ever experienced or been affected by a safe space.... crickets

i also made that thread

shit, im your alt

[boutons_deux]

I will withhold my support for Kid Rock until I see his policies, platform :lol

[Trill Clinton]

I like how kid rock evolved from a culture appropriating rapper then switched to a right wing country rebel when he was done appropriating hip hop.

[spurraider21]

appropriation is a retarded concept. if anything, on its face, it seems like something racist segregationists would be complaining about... you cant marry our women or adopt our culture!

[Adam Lambert]

hes really just dropping a new album.

this is a pr stunt.

still a faggot.

[SnakeBoy]

yes i know you faggots think :cry sjws :cry that trigger you by being in the news you watch are the biggest problems in the country.

:cry leftists :cry
:cry they make hannity angry therefore i am angry :cry

fucking idiot.

lol They don't make me angry they make me laugh. I don't dislike their dumbasses it's just their support for "other people should pay for my shit" policies that make me vote against them since I'm in the "other people" category.

So how are republicans intervening into you and your womans shit? Is their something beyond :cry they won't let me get high :cry?

[DarrinS]

appropriation is a retarded concept. if anything, on its face, it seems like something racist segregationists would be complaining about... you cant marry our women or adopt our culture!

cultural appropriation is retarded, unless you live in Portland or Seattle. People up there have lost their damn minds.

[Th'Pusher]

lol They don't make me angry they make me laugh. I don't dislike their dumbasses it's just their support for "other people should pay for my shit" policies that make me vote against them since I'm in the "other people" category.

So how are republicans intervening into you and your womans shit? Is their something beyond :cry they won't let me get high :cry?

How much of your personal income went to paying for "other people's shit", snakeboy?

[monosylab1k]

"other people should pay for my shit" policies

Like weekly trips to Mar-a-Lago? Shit like that?

[spurraider21]

Like weekly trips to Mar-a-Lago? Shit like that?
you mean the southern white house?

[Adam Lambert]

So how are republicans intervening into you and your womans shit? Is their something beyond :cry they won't let me get high :cry?

you fucking serious dude?

for one thing, yeah, they wont let me get high. whats up with that? why are you guys stuck in the 50s where :cry marijuana kills :cry? get the fuck over it, prudes

outside of that are you really asking what personal freedoms republicans are against? i dont even know where to start thats such a stupid question.

[Chucho]

appropriation is a retarded concept. if anything, on its face, it seems like something racist segregationists would be complaining about... you cant marry our women or adopt our culture!

I agree.

[Adam Lambert]

republicans are also the party that would have said i should go to jail 30 years ago for doing anal with my girlfriend

hell theres still a good number of them who think that now

thats pretty fucked up. a lot more fucked up than "hey heres a progressive tax system that maintains a social safety net and if you make $250K or so you might pay a couple of percentage points more than other people on those larger paychecks, but its still worth it because you still make a lot of money and you probably have an accountant to find loopholes to offset those tax dollars anyway, oh and you get better police protection and personal freedoms where you get to live, you lucky piece of shit."

[sickdsm]

republicans are also the party that would have said i should go to jail 30 years ago for doing anal with my girlfriend

hell theres still a good number of them who think that now

thats pretty fucked up. a lot more fucked up than "hey heres a progressive tax system that maintains a social safety net and if you make $250K or so you might pay a couple of percentage points more than other people on those larger paychecks, but its still worth it because you still make a lot of money and you probably have an accountant to find loopholes to offset those tax dollars anyway, oh and you get better police protection and personal freedoms where you get to live, you lucky piece of shit."

Holy shit, its only a couple percentage points more in taxes if you make over $250K?

[sickdsm]

you fucking serious dude?

for one thing, yeah, they wont let me get high. whats up with that? why are you guys stuck in the 50s where :cry marijuana kills :cry? get the fuck over it, prudes

outside of that are you really asking what personal freedoms republicans are against? i dont even know where to start thats such a stupid question.
That's not an R thing.


Your fathers Rep. party is dead. The likelihood of a modern day McCain being newly elected are slim. Today's younger republicans are actually libertarians in disguise. Its too bad they have to deal with all the ex Military with their antique beliefs.

This is a quote from the a republican candidate for senator for Missouri.

I believe in a world where gay married couples can defend their marijuana fields with fully automatic machine guns.



That's the new age conservative.

[sickdsm]

Adam Lambert: Government intervention into my shit and my womans shit? No problem, after all, govt. knows best.


Govt. intervention into my shit and my womans shit when they mention morality? Those bastards, lets overthrow the tyrants.

[Chucho]

Adam Lambert: Government intervention into my shit and my womans shit? No problem, after all, govt. knows best.


Govt. intervention into my shit and my womans shit when they mention morality? Those bastards, lets overthrow the tyrants.

Of course. Hypocrisy is a tenant of American Fascism.

Ironically, Liberalism, in gist, is the desire for everyone to be as free from government intervention into our private lives as possible.

But dem Fascists- "Fuck the police...except for when we need them." "Fuck the government...except for when OUR side is in power." Hypocrisy and the American Left go together like PB+J and elementary school kids are pointing out their obvious, and glaring, flaws in their "logic" and rhetoric.

[baseline bum]

That's not an R thing.


Your fathers Rep. party is dead. The likelihood of a modern day McCain being newly elected are slim. Today's younger republicans are actually libertarians in disguise. Its too bad they have to deal with all the ex Military with their antique beliefs.

This is a quote from the a republican candidate for senator for Missouri.

I believe in a world where gay married couples can defend their marijuana fields with fully automatic machine guns.



That's the new age conservative.

The new age conservatives are fascist loons who love Trump.

[SnakeBoy]

you fucking serious dude?

for one thing, yeah, they wont let me get high. whats up with that? why are you guys stuck in the 50s where :cry marijuana kills :cry? get the fuck over it, prudes

outside of that are you really asking what personal freedoms republicans are against? i dont even know where to start thats such a stupid question.

Well try. It shouldn't be hard for you to say what you and your woman are being prevented from doing by the republicans.

[Adam Lambert]

That's not an R thing.


Your fathers Rep. party is dead. The likelihood of a modern day McCain being newly elected are slim. Today's younger republicans are actually libertarians in disguise. Its too bad they have to deal with all the ex Military with their antique beliefs.

This is a quote from the a republican candidate for senator for Missouri.

I believe in a world where gay married couples can defend their marijuana fields with fully automatic machine guns.



That's the new age conservative.


i hate to tell you but the guy who almost got the republican nom instead of trump was evangelical blowhard ted fucking cruz. interventionist christians still have a stronghold on the republican party.

[SnakeBoy]

republicans are also the party that would have said i should go to jail 30 years ago for doing anal with my girlfriend

hell theres still a good number of them who think that now

thats pretty fucked up. a lot more fucked up than "hey heres a progressive tax system that maintains a social safety net and if you make $250K or so you might pay a couple of percentage points more than other people on those larger paychecks, but its still worth it because you still make a lot of money and you probably have an accountant to find loopholes to offset those tax dollars anyway, oh and you get better police protection and personal freedoms where you get to live, you lucky piece of shit."

lol getting high and anal

Anything else?

[SnakeBoy]

i hate to tell you but the guy who almost got the republican nom instead of trump was evangelical blowhard ted fucking cruz. interventionist christians still have a stronghold on the republican party.

:cry Christians :cry

*ding*

[Adam Lambert]

Well try. It shouldn't be hard for you to say what you and your woman are being prevented from doing by the republicans.

think about women. think real hard about what republicans are against when it comes to women. i know you can think of something.

[Adam Lambert]

:cry Christians :cry

*ding*

bitch i was responding to a comment specifically about christian morality in the republican party, dont butt in on a discussion youre not keeping up with.

[Adam Lambert]

lol getting high and anal

Anything else?

why the fuck would there even have to be anything else anyway? why are republicans still obsessed with what i do in my own home? voyeuristic sickos

[RandomGuy]

lol They don't make me angry they make me laugh. I don't dislike their dumbasses it's just their support for "other people should pay for my shit" policies that make me vote against them since I'm in the "other people" category.

So how are republicans intervening into you and your womans shit? Is their something beyond :cry they won't let me get high :cry?

Here is one way to view it:

You are part of a larger economy, and one of the prime beneficiaries of that wider economy.

Since you have benefitted more than others, do you not have a moral obligation to pay back into the system that created your wealth?

[SnakeBoy]

Here is one way to view it:

You are part of a larger economy, and one of the prime beneficiaries of that wider economy.

Since you have benefitted more than others, do you not have a moral obligation to pay back MORE into the system that created your wealth?

fify

the problem is it's always more more more

[spurraider21]

getting tired of these celebrity elitists getting political... trump, kick rock, etc

[monosylab1k]

:lmao rich people bitching about taxes. Blow me.

:cry instead of having 5 million dollars I only have 2 million :cry

versus

:cry instead of having health insurance, I'm dying of cancer and can't pay for shit :cry

One seems slightly more sympathetic than the other, but maybe that's just my inner evil fascist talking.

[baseline bum]

More like


:lmao rich people bitching about taxes. Blow me.

:cry instead of having 5 million dollars I only have 4.8 million :cry

versus

:cry instead of having health insurance, I'm dying of cancer and can't pay for shit :cry

One seems slightly more sympathetic than the other, but maybe that's just my inner evil fascist talking.

[RandomGuy]

fify

the problem is it's always more more more

Marginal Income.

Would you rather people starve so you can keep a fraction of a penny more per dollar earned?

Below certain amounts of income, less money means making choices like electricity or food. Should these people be taxed at the same rate that you are?

Why or why not?

[RandomGuy]

...

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Kid rock's son, the one he named after him... is.... wait for it......... black.

[Chucho]

why are republicans still obsessed with what i do in my own home? voyeuristic sickos


Why are Demos so obsessed with what people do in their private lives and private businesses as well? Is it morality (guns- biz owners refuting LGBT service-religion-patriotism, etc.)? Is it intolerance? Seems like you only look one way when you cross streets, Bubba. Per par.

[RandomGuy]

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[RandomGuy]

We all benefit from investment in human capital.

Just sayin'.

[RandomGuy]

In 100 years, no matter how much or little money you make in your life, you will be just as dead.

What good will that extra $ do you when you are lying on your death bed?

"oh if I had only retained 2% more of my gross income"--- said nobody

I think a lot of people lose perspective sometimes, and forget basic humanity in a rush to judge others for some made-up character faults.

[Chucho]

In 100 years, no matter how much or little money you make in your life, you will be just as dead.

What good will that extra $ do you when you are lying on your death bed?

"oh if I had only retained 2% more of my gross income"--- said nobody

I think a lot of people lose perspective sometimes, and forget basic humanity in a rush to judge others for some made-up character faults.


What are your charitable contributions this year, thus far, Mother Theresa?

[boutons_deux]

We all benefit from investment in human capital.

Just sayin'.

The oligarchy only wants to invest capital in capital, not in (lower 80%) humans

[SnakeBoy]

think about women. think real hard about what republicans are against when it comes to women. i know you can think of something.

Burqas? Probably not, help me out. You're fucking "your woman" in the ass so abortion shouldn't be an issue for the two of you.

[Adam Lambert]

Burqas? Probably not, help me out. You're fucking "your woman" in the ass so abortion shouldn't be an issue for the two of you.

oh man, i pity your sex life. must suck to have to pick one hole and stick to it forever.

[Adam Lambert]

Why are Demos so obsessed with what people do in their private lives and private businesses as well? Is it morality (guns- biz owners refuting LGBT service-religion-patriotism, etc.)? Is it intolerance? Seems like you only look one way when you cross streets, Bubba. Per par.

thats not the dems, dmc, thats the constitution. take it up with our founding fathers if you dont like separation of church and state.

[SnakeBoy]

Marginal Income.

Would you rather people starve so you can keep a fraction of a penny more per dollar earned?

Below certain amounts of income, less money means making choices like electricity or food. Should these people be taxed at the same rate that you are?

Why or why not?

I support a progressive tax system. The question is how much is too much and why should so many not pay their fair share so that they can live above their means. Are you pocketing your Bush tax cut or are you sending it back to the IRS for the good of society?

[SnakeBoy]

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Poor Paula. You would think after 50 years of the govt waging a war on poverty she'd have an easier go of it. Maybe the policies you support don't work like you think they do.

[Pavlov]

Poor Paula. You would think after 50 years of the govt waging a war on poverty she'd have an easier go of it. Maybe the policies you support don't work like you think they do.Maybe policies of 200 previous years harder to overcome than thought.

[SnakeBoy]

oh man, i pity your sex life. must suck to have to pick one hole and stick to it forever.

My sex life involves an actual woman. It's got pluses and minuses.

[spurraider21]

Poor Paula. You would think after 50 years of the govt waging a war on poverty she'd have an easier go of it. Maybe the policies you support don't work like you think they do.
betsy devos will fix all of it with vouchers

[RandomGuy]

Poor Paula. You would think after 50 years of the govt waging a war on poverty she'd have an easier go of it. Maybe the policies you support don't work like you think they do.

Maybe they work well enough to keep her alive, when she otherwise wouldn't be.

Maybe the policies you support make us all poorer than we need to be.

Maybe the policies you support will cause far more human misery than you are really comfortable with.

Want to go the vy65 "fuck 'em, let 'em starve route"?

Eastern European governments tend to have little money for the social programs you despise. I can show you how that works out for Romanian orphans abandoned by their parents. You wouldn't like it, and it wouldn't help with a constructive conversation.

How exactly should we reduce human misery and suffering? Give me a solution you prefer.

[spurraider21]

How exactly should we reduce human misery and suffering? Give me a solution you prefer.
tell paula to stop whining and study harder tbh

[SnakeBoy]

Maybe they work well enough to keep her alive, when she otherwise wouldn't be.

Maybe the policies you support make us all poorer than we need to be.

Maybe the policies you support will cause far more human misery than you are really comfortable with.

Want to go the vy65 "fuck 'em, let 'em starve route"?

Eastern European governments tend to have little money for the social programs you despise. I can show you how that works out for Romanian orphans abandoned by their parents. You wouldn't like it, and it wouldn't help with a constructive conversation.

How exactly should we reduce human misery and suffering? Give me a solution you prefer.

How bout you answer my question first


Are you pocketing your Bush tax cut or are you sending it back to the IRS for the good of society?

[RandomGuy]

Poor Paula. You would think after 50 years of the govt waging a war on poverty she'd have an easier go of it. Maybe the policies you support don't work like you think they do.

BTW:

This is a really badly flawed argument. It is a deepism passed around as wisdom on the right.

"We've been repairing this bridge for 50 years, maybe we should stop"

"We've been researching cancer for 50 years, maybe that isn't working out".

It is flawed, because it is a problem that is worth addressing, and the evidence that actually is available shows that the social programs you don't like, actually pretty much do the things they were designed to do, i.e. make life less hellish, and provide a net to catch people so they can pick themselves back up.

[Pavlov]

Are you pocketing your Bush tax cut or are you sending it back to the IRS for the good of society?Poor people spend it.

Good for economy.

[RandomGuy]

How bout you answer my question first

Keeping it for the most part, as I was investing in my, and my wife's ability to earn money.

At this point though, I have put some of the family budget into some charity. Had some good discussions with my kids about how to allocate that, since the money we give out ultimately is money they don't directly benefit from.

My 11 year old, and his older brother understands and supports our decisions. I have spent a good deal of time teaching him and his brother how to arrive at a workable moral system that includes caring for others.

Do you know your question in and of itself implies further flawed arguments?

[RandomGuy]

Poor people spend it.

Good for economy.

Velocity of money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_of_money

Marginal propensity to consume:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_propensity_to_consume


The economy is better off as whole, when poor people have more money. This is a fact.

[Chucho]

thats not the dems, dmc, thats the constitution. take it up with our founding fathers if you dont like separation of church and state.


LOL, whatever you say, Kool. You didn't answer the question and changed the subject. And you've the audacity to condescend to others for doing the same? Oh, wait...that LOLeftist double standards thing..., the ole "we can. you can't...because that's how I think I'm winning debates."


Seen this trick like fiddy times from y'all today. Learn new tricks.

[RandomGuy]

I think we can all agree that generally reducing human misery is a good thing.

The only thing that we quibble about here is how to go about that.

Can we at least agree that reducing human misery is a worthwhile goal?

[Galileo]

If Rand Paul endorses Kid Rock, this will be the GOP's 60th seat in the senate in 2018.

[Adam Lambert]

LOL, whatever you say, Kool. You didn't answer the question and changed the subject. And you've the audacity to condescend to others for doing the same? Oh, wait...that LOLeftist double standards thing..., the ole "we can. you can't...because that's how I think I'm winning debates."


Seen this trick like fiddy times from y'all today. Learn new tricks.

i didnt change the subject, dmc, i pointed out the difference between making buttfucking illegal and making discrimination illegal. the difference is the us constitution. deal with it, comrade.

[SnakeBoy]

Keeping it for the most part, as I was investing in my, and my wife's ability to earn money.

At this point though, I have put some of the family budget into some charity. Had some good discussions with my kids about how to allocate that, since the money we give out ultimately is money they don't directly benefit from.

My 11 year old, and his older brother understands and supports our decisions. I have spent a good deal of time teaching him and his brother how to arrive at a workable moral system that includes caring for others.

Do you know your question in and of itself implies further flawed arguments?

It's not flawed to say that you have no problem keeping your tax cut and supporting a candidate who was promising you further tax cuts while pledging to stick it to "others". So your stance that I have have a moral obligation to pay more and more while you want to pay less and less doesn't sound all that moral to me.

If you want to know my general views on taxes you can look here
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201845

[TSA]

why the fuck would there even have to be anything else anyway? why are republicans still obsessed with what i do in my own home? voyeuristic sickos

How much anal are you getting a week? My wife lets me maybe 5 times a year.

[RandomGuy]

What are your charitable contributions this year, thus far, Mother Theresa?


In a fit of irony, I gave $50 to these guys.
http://abc13.com/news/victoria-islamic-center-breaks-ground-on-new-mosque/2052760/

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Among other things. Rough estimate this year will be a bit less than 1% of family net income. We are concentrating on paying off debts (student loans, a stretch of unemployment, and an uninsured hospitalization years ago).

Our family does things together, through a local atheist organization, though. Wheelchair ramp builds, food giveaways for homeless, picking up trash at an adopted stretch of roads, etc.

Also ironically, we used to work/cook every Sunday night at a local homeless shelter run by a Baptist church, but got too busy for that. I think it was good for our kids to sit down at the table with everybody and eat the same meal. We let others do the praying thing, of course.

I will increase the charity budget next year, as we anticipate having a lot of debt paid off this year, and a marked increase in income is in the offing.

Your point?

[Chucho]

In a fit of irony, I gave $50 to these guys.
http://abc13.com/news/victoria-islamic-center-breaks-ground-on-new-mosque/2052760/


I give about $50 a week to the tweakers that pollute the Central Valley. I can't wait to see how Oregon pans out in the next decade or so.

[RandomGuy]

I give about $50 a week to the tweakers that pollute the Central Valley. I can't wait to see how Oregon pans out in the next decade or so.

I think we can all agree that generally reducing human misery is a good thing.

The only thing that we quibble about here is how to go about that.

Can we at least agree that reducing human misery is a worthwhile goal?

[boutons_deux]

"all agree that generally reducing human misery is a good thing"

absolutely false, as the Trumpcare and its supporters right here ST love the BigCorp wealth-sucking, suffering, and death Trumpcare would cause.

[Chucho]

I think we can all agree that generally reducing human misery is a good thing.

The only thing that we quibble about here is how to go about that.

Can we at least agree that reducing human misery is a worthwhile goal?

Depends. If it's misery brought on by themselves, i.e, drug addiction or unwanted babies, I think Americans need to be held accountable for their actions. Not just fear of legal repercussions, but personal-life repercussions as well. If it's misery brought on by circumstances they don't control, absolutely.

Case in point, Oregon, in a decade is going to have both sides of misery. They are going to have self-created misery that was more enabled by the batshit crazy law of decriminalizing smack, toot, molly, et. al. Despite the batshit theory, this is enabling and is going to make a bad issue even worse by eliminating accountability since the fear of consequence has been removed. Now we're fostering a culture of enabling diseased individuals and increasing that population while creating an extremely miserable place that is unsafe to live in because the junkie population will grow and, in conjunction, the burglary and theft related crime rates will sky rocket. I can't feel sorry for anyone who makes the decision to get hooked on dope and drugs, you and only you can be responsible for your own willful actions. I can feel sorry that an entire population was thrown into the toilet for an ill-thought, batshit crazy law. Oregon will be a statewide version of Demo utopias like Chicago, Houston and the 99% of California the elitists don't inhabit.

[Chucho]

"all agree that generally reducing human misery is a good thing"

absolutely false, as the Trumpcare and its supporters right here ST love the BigCorp wealth-scuking, suffering, and death Trumpcare would cause.


Because a sociopathic Nazi idolizer's gross stereotypes are always right. :rolleyes

[RandomGuy]

Depends. If it's misery brought on by themselves, i.e, drug addiction or unwanted babies, I think Americans need to be held accountable for their actions. Not just fear of legal repercussions, but personal-life repercussions as well. If it's misery brought on by circumstances they don't control, absolutely.

Case in point, Oregon, in a decade is going to have both sides of misery. They are going to have self-created misery that was more enabled by the batshit crazy law of decriminalizing smack, toot, molly, et. al. Despite the batshit theory, this is enabling and is going to make a bad issue even worse by eliminating accountability since the fear of consequence has been removed. Now we're fostering a culture of enabling diseased individuals and increasing that population while creating an extremely miserable place that is unsafe to live in because the junkie population will grow and, in conjunction, the burglary and theft related crime rates will sky rocket. I can't feel sorry for anyone who makes the decision to get hooked on dope and drugs, you and only you can be responsible for your own willful actions. I can feel sorry that an entire population was thrown into the toilet for an ill-thought, batshit crazy law. Oregon will be a statewide version of Demo utopias like Chicago, Houston and the 99% of California the elitists don't inhabit.

"unwanted babies"

How exactly do you hold someone accountable for that?

Doesn't that punish a child for something their parent did?

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Is *that* moral?

[RandomGuy]

Depends. If it's misery brought on by themselves, i.e, drug addiction or unwanted babies, I think Americans need to be held accountable for their actions. Not just fear of legal repercussions, but personal-life repercussions as well. If it's misery brought on by circumstances they don't control, absolutely.

Case in point, Oregon, in a decade is going to have both sides of misery. They are going to have self-created misery that was more enabled by the batshit crazy law of decriminalizing smack, toot, molly, et. al. Despite the batshit theory, this is enabling and is going to make a bad issue even worse by eliminating accountability since the fear of consequence has been removed. Now we're fostering a culture of enabling diseased individuals and increasing that population while creating an extremely miserable place that is unsafe to live in because the junkie population will grow and, in conjunction, the burglary and theft related crime rates will sky rocket. I can't feel sorry for anyone who makes the decision to get hooked on dope and drugs, you and only you can be responsible for your own willful actions. I can feel sorry that an entire population was thrown into the toilet for an ill-thought, batshit crazy law. Oregon will be a statewide version of Demo utopias like Chicago, Houston and the 99% of California the elitists don't inhabit.

Portugal decriminalised drugs 14 years ago – and now hardly anyone dies from overdosing
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html

They took the money they wasted on making addicts into criminals, and treated it as a public health problem. It seems to be working ok so far.

[RandomGuy]

'It was the combination of the law and these services that made it a success. It's very difficult to find people in Portugal who disagree with this model.'


When Portugal decided to decriminalize in 2000, many skeptics assumed that the number of users would skyrocket. That did not happen. With some exceptions, including a marginal increase among adolescents, drug use has fallen over the past 15 years and now ebbs and flows within overall trends in Europe. Portuguese officials estimate that by the late 1990s roughly one percent of Portugal's population, around 100,000 people, were heroin users.

Today, "we estimate that we have 50,000, most of them under substitution treatment," said Goulão before adding that he's recently seen a small uptick in use of the drug, predominantly among former addicts that got clean. This reflects Portugal's tenuous economic condition, he contends.


Time and again, policies that treat people decently, humanely, work, and provably so.

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Link to VICE article:
https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-after-decriminalization-drugs-weed-to-heroin

VICE does some really good shit, BTW. I recommend their reporting. A bit amateurish at times, but they take the time to dig into something.

[RandomGuy]

"all agree that generally reducing human misery is a good thing"

absolutely false, as the Trumpcare and its supporters right here ST love the BigCorp wealth-scuking, suffering, and death Trumpcare would cause.

You might find Moyers interview with that guy about the deep state interesting as well. Google it.

[TSA]

You might find Moyers interview with that guy about the deep state interesting as well. Google it.

Forgot to say thanks for that interview. Very interesting indeed and is must read for all of the "lol deep staters" here.

[Chucho]

Time and again, policies that treat people decently, humanely, work, and provably so.

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Link to VICE article:
https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-after-decriminalization-drugs-weed-to-heroin

VICE does some really good shit, BTW. I recommend their reporting. A bit amateurish at times, but they take the time to dig into something.


I'd like to believe it would work, but we're talking different cultures. Sober Americans are very different than sober Euros. We're over entitled, materialistic, selfish and ungrateful. This is true, otherwise we'd not be the consumers we are, the selfie and social media wouldn't control people's lives and we all wouldn't be buried under mounds of debt.

And, unfortunately, I live near Ground Zero for dereliction, in a massively tolerant state that has multiple, multiple programs. Compared to when I lived in San An, there are thousands and thousands more visibly homeless and displaced YOUTHFUL drug addicts all over the place in a population of 1/5th of San An.

In the shitty time I've been here, I've had tweaks dig up a flower plant out of my front yard, try and steal 5 gallon water bottles off my front miranda and I had one poor soul put an hobo curse on me. The auto theft rate here is the highest in the nation. More than Detroit, Chicago and South LA.

I've no faith in this generation of American drug addicts that are the products of a coddled society, where everyone who participates gets treated like they won. I don't think there has been a more entitled society since the Romans and it's going to end bad.

Do I want to be wrong? Hell yeah, I do. Do I think I will be? Not one bit unless that law is repealed.

The answer was stupid easy- relax the laws. Misdemeanors are fines, community service and drug classes/counseling for DUIs and pot possession, do that for minor amounts of these drugs. Not hard, makes them accountable and gives them the opportunity to get the help they need while having to be accountable for their actions and choices.

[Chucho]

"unwanted babies"

How exactly do you hold someone accountable for that?

Doesn't that punish a child for something their parent did?

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Is *that* moral?


Unwanted pregnancies more specifically. If they don't want to have to give birth or raise a child because of inconvenience, it shouldn't be up to an irresponsible person to decide to kill a child, that is immoral. But the mother and father who want to murder their responsibility are "miserable" because their child doesn't fit into their plans right now.

Killing is immoral in anyway. Defining what life is to justify murder is even sicker. The irresponsible parents can stop being "miserable" in 9 months by delivering the baby and giving it up for adoption AND they do the right, moral thing while being held accountable for their actions.

[Th'Pusher]

How much anal are you getting a week? My wife lets me maybe 5 times a year.
Lets you? She doesn't enjoy it? Why do you fuck her asshole if she doesn't enjoy it? Does it make you feel powerful?

[TSA]

Lets you? She doesn't enjoy it? Why do you fuck her asshole if she doesn't enjoy it? Does it make you feel powerful?

I've got a big dick, YMMV. I don't ask for it, she'll ask me if she's in the mood. She said it's much more enjoyable when she's drunk and can relax her anus muscles. Poppers work well too.

[sickdsm]

i hate to tell you but the guy who almost got the republican nom instead of trump was evangelical blowhard ted fucking cruz. interventionist christians still have a stronghold on the republican party.

Not rocket science that the reason he was almost the nominee is because it was a Not trump vote.

[sickdsm]

More like

Can we at least pretend to come mildly close to actual taxes being paid? We're now in in the 4% tax bracket?

[sickdsm]

The new age conservatives are fascist loons who love Trump.

You misspelled Republican.

The new conservative may be rep, ind., libetarian, or dem.

We just don't care what you do as long as it doesn't hold someone else back. We don't care if your straight, gay, or transgender. We don't care about minor drugs, whether we do them or not. We don't care about having a huge military. We do care about getting back to the meaning of conservative though. Keep taxes low, keep govt. low.

I didn't vote for Trump. I consider myself a new age conservative.

Most here seem to be entrenched in the "my candidate" bs though so it would be hard to understand.

[baseline bum]

Can we at least pretend to come mildly close to actual taxes being paid? We're now in in the 4% tax bracket?

I was referring to the 4% tax on capital gains McConnell was trying to repeal with the BCRA.

[baseline bum]

You misspelled Republican.

The new conservative may be rep, ind., libetarian, or dem.

We just don't care what you do as long as it doesn't hold someone else back. We don't care if your straight, gay, or transgender. We don't care about minor drugs, whether we do them or not. We don't care about having a huge military. We do care about getting back to the meaning of conservative though. Keep taxes low, keep govt. low.

I didn't vote for Trump. I consider myself a new age conservative.

Most here seem to be entrenched in the "my candidate" bs though so it would be hard to understand.

Maybe that's you, but that's not the movement. The conservative movement was Trump.

[sickdsm]

Maybe that's you, but that's not the movement. The conservative movement was Trump.

You go from talking about the new age conservative to the conservatives who elected trump. They are the opposite. When the old die off they will be replaced with different minded conservatives.

Just a simple google search of new conservative movement brings up hits of those who dislike trump as much as Clinton.

[Chucho]

I've got a big dick, YMMV. I don't ask for it, she'll ask me if she's in the mood. She said it's much more enjoyable when she's drunk and can relax her anus muscles. Poppers work well too.

The old lady at least let me try. Great for me, nightmare for her. This was the first and only time for her and it was almost ten years ago.

[Adam Lambert]

Not rocket science that the reason he was almost the nominee is because it was a Not trump vote.

:lol there were about 20 other not trump votes in the republican race that were weeded out before cruz and almost all of them were less jesusy than him.

[Adam Lambert]

so i guess because anal doesnt happen that often (for us) we should just not give a shit if there are people in power who want to put you in prison for it.

[DMX7]

I knew reality tv game shows where people voted for the winner was going to blur the line between entertainment and politics and fuck us all.

[Thread]

I knew reality tv game shows where people voted for the winner was going to blur the line between entertainment and politics and fuck us all.

...Al Franken is living proof.

[DMX7]

...Al Franken is living proof.

In a sense, he is proof the line being blurred. But at least he has a degree in Government from Harvard and has a grasp of the issues. So he is a serious person unlike some.

[SnakeBoy]

so i guess because anal doesnt happen that often (for us) we should just not give a shit if there are people in power who want to put you in prison for it.

lol anal justice warrior

[tlongII]

I think we can all agree that generally reducing human misery is a good thing.

The only thing that we quibble about here is how to go about that.

Can we at least agree that reducing human misery is a worthwhile goal?

Does that mean we should be dropping more bombs in the Middle East?

[Adam Lambert]

lol anal justice warrior

better that than anal banishment soldier

[SnakeBoy]

better that than anal banishment soldier

You gotta fight for your right to anal

[TSA]

so i guess because anal doesnt happen that often (for us) we should just not give a shit if there are people in power who want to put you in prison for it.

How much anal are you getting in a month?

[Blake]

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Eh. Nice try but I've got little sympathy for Paula

Did Paula finish college? If so what was her degree in?

[Adam Lambert]

How much anal are you getting in a month?

how many times a month do you use a gun in self defense?

its irrelevant. i could be getting anal once every ten years and its still retarded to say it should be illegal. thats without even considering the gays who do it all the time.

typical republican bubble living to say an issue isnt worth discussing if it doesnt impact you. thats why you continue to be in the stone ages.

[TSA]

how many times a month do you use a gun in self defense?

its irrelevant. i could be getting anal once every ten years and its still retarded to say it should be illegal. thats without even considering the gays who do it all the time.

typical republican bubble living to say an issue isnt worth discussing if it doesnt impact you. thats why you continue to be in the stone ages.

:lol I'm on your side man calm down. I too enjoy anal and think those who think it should be illegal are retarded.

You just seem very passionate about the subject so I wanted to know how much anal a person with your passion is getting a month to see where I stack up. Like I said earlier, I get anal around once every 2 months. How much anal are you getting in a month?

[Adam Lambert]

:lol I'm on your side man calm down. I too enjoy anal and think those who think it should be illegal are retarded.

You just seem very passionate about the subject so I wanted to know how much anal a person with your passion is getting a month to see where I stack up. Like I said earlier, I get anal around once every 2 months. How much anal are you getting in a month?

im not passionate about it at all, yall just keep asking me about it. :lol ive had anal a handful of times in my life, i prefer the vag and the mouth.

its not about me. its a fundamental example of how republicans claim to be about personal freedom but are still the party that gets up in peoples most personal business more than the others.

where you put your dick.
what you do with something thats growing inside your body.
whether you can regulate your period a certain way.
what bathroom you can use
what gender you can marry
whether you can smoke one thing but not the other.
when you can buy booze.

[Trill Clinton]

This thread got pretty gay

[TSA]

im not passionate about it at all, yall just keep asking me about it. :lol ive had anal a handful of times in my life, i prefer the vag and the mouth.

its not about me. its a fundamental example of how republicans claim to be about personal freedom but are still the party that gets up in peoples most personal business more than the others.

where you put your dick.
what you do with something thats growing inside your body.
whether you can regulate your period a certain way.
what bathroom you can use
what gender you can marry
whether you can smoke one thing but not the other.
when you can buy booze.

You must have really really liked anal. I've had it many more times than you and I'm still not as passionate :lol

This may come as a shock to you but the only thing we disagree on from your list is bathroom use. I'm of the opinion that if you have a dick, you piss in the men's room, and vice versa. I'm also of the opinion that there should be an additional option for a unisex bathroom at the same location.

[sickdsm]

im not passionate about it at all, yall just keep asking me about it. :lol ive had anal a handful of times in my life, i prefer the vag and the mouth.

its not about me. its a fundamental example of how republicans claim to be about personal freedom but are still the party that gets up in peoples most personal business more than the others.

where you put your dick.
what you do with something thats growing inside your body.
whether you can regulate your period a certain way.
what bathroom you can use
what gender you can marry
whether you can smoke one thing but not the other.
when you can buy booze.

Agree with the use the pisser if you got a dick comment.

Other than that, I don't think anyone has an issue with what you do with your liver, bladder, heart, cancer growing inside your body. I think the issue is when there is another life inside ones body.

[sickdsm]

You must have really really liked anal. I've had it many more times than you and I'm still not as passionate :lol

This may come as a shock to you but the only thing we disagree on from your list is bathroom use. I'm of the opinion that if you have a dick, you piss in the men's room, and vice versa. I'm also of the opinion that there should be an additional option for a unisex bathroom at the same location.

I'm assuming that its more about the freedom than the act.

[Adam Lambert]

then glad to see you both agree with me that this question is retarded


So how are republicans intervening into you and your womans shit? Is their something beyond :cry they won't let me get high :cry?

[Quadzilla99]

How much white trash is there in Michigan? I mean does he have a chance?

[SnakeBoy]

then glad to see you both agree with me that this question is retarded

The question served it's purpose just fine.


intervention into my shit and my womans shit.



its not about me.

:lol

[spurraider21]

forget all my ideals, i vote democrat for the buttsecks

-lambert

[DarrinS]

forget all my ideals, i vote democrat for the buttsecks

-lambert

:lmao

Thanks for making me spit perfectly good beer. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Does that mean we should be dropping more bombs in the Middle East?

Ok, so you don't agree with the proposition that we should have reducing human misery as goal?

[RandomGuy]

"unwanted babies"

How exactly do you hold someone accountable for that?

Doesn't that punish a child for something their parent did?

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Is *that* moral?



Unwanted pregnancies more specifically. If they don't want to have to give birth or raise a child because of inconvenience, it shouldn't be up to an irresponsible person to decide to kill a child, that is immoral. But the mother and father who want to murder their responsibility are "miserable" because their child doesn't fit into their plans right now.

Killing is immoral in anyway. Defining what life is to justify murder is even sicker. The irresponsible parents can stop being "miserable" in 9 months by delivering the baby and giving it up for adoption AND they do the right, moral thing while being held accountable for their actions.

So your solution is forcing parents who "can't afford" to have kids to give up their kids for adoption? Essentially force women to be pregnant?

If they can't afford to take care of themselves, or don't know how to, you risk women going through pregnancy and doing things that harm the living baby anyway, such as drugs/alcohol, or even as simple as not eating right.

Your solution is having the government:
1) Force women to be pregnant.
2) Force those women to give birth (a dangerous medical procedure)
3) Force these women to give up children for adoption.

What happens to the children who will be born with severe developmental problems that no one wants to adopt?

What would you do with those kids?

[RandomGuy]

Forgot to say thanks for that interview. Very interesting indeed and is must read for all of the "lol deep staters" here.

You're welcome.

[RandomGuy]

Eh. Nice try but I've got little sympathy for Paula

Did Paula finish college? If so what was her degree in?

Each little difference sneaks by unnoticed.

[Blake]

Each little difference sneaks by unnoticed.

Rich kids have it easier. Always have, always will. Things we know.

Lol the cartoon almost seems like it's pro-voucher

[RandomGuy]

Rich kids have it easier. Always have, always will. Things we know.

Lol the cartoon almost seems like it's pro-voucher

Sure we know it.

Now, what do we do about this knowledge?

What should we?

[Blake]

Sure we know it.

Now, what do we do about this knowledge?

What should we?
Not sure based on the limited info given.

Would do you think we should do?

[SnakeBoy]

2) Force those women to give birth (a dangerous medical procedure)


lol you have him in a corner but like all libs you can't help but exaggerate your case with some bullshit

[tlongII]

Ok, so you don't agree with the proposition that we should have reducing human misery as goal?

So you think we should be dropping more bombs in the Middle East. Got it.

[RandomGuy]

So you think we should be dropping more bombs in the Middle East. Got it.

I am merely trying to establish a baseline here by asking what you think. Whether or not you can be honest is on you.

If you don't want to be honest about something that simple, when asked respectfully, what does that say about you as a person?

[tlongII]

I am merely trying to establish a baseline here by asking what you think. Whether or not you can be honest is on you.

If you don't want to be honest about something that simple, when asked respectfully, what does that say about you as a person?

And I'm telling you that the answer to the question has far reaching implications. For example, would you agree that human misery is rampant in the Middle East and North Korea? What would you propose to do about that?

[RandomGuy]

And I'm telling you that the answer to the question has far reaching implications. For example, would you agree that human misery is rampant in the Middle East and North Korea? What would you propose to do about that?

You were merely trying for yet another strawman attack on me. Again, says more about you and your ideology than anything else, which I contend is morally and intellectually bankrupt. When you can't answer straightforward questions on morals, you make my case on that for me.

Sometimes I use your (and DarrinS ) posts as teaching points for my own boys. They aren't very impressed with the quality of your arguments, nor your intellectual honesty, when I explain to them what that is. You are better than many, even so. They were really put off by vy65 saying that he would prefer that the poor children should "starve". Some of their classmates are pretty poor, so they know what poverty is firsthand.

The answer to your questions:

Yes and yes.

NK would require a destructive war, which would cause far more misery than letting them suffer. A moral calculation there says we do nothing that would start a war.
The middle east (north Africa, and south east asia) requires investment and economic development. Oddly enough China seems to be taking the lead there in some ways. Go them. Personally, I would be all for a basic living allowance for all of them.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.google.com/search?q=romanian+orphanage

Read up. This is the result of policies that Republicans want to push on us. No abortions, no social safety net, no taxes to pay for anything. Republican nirvana, writ in an actual country.

[tlongII]

You were merely trying for yet another strawman attack on me. Again, says more about you and your ideology than anything else, which I contend is morally and intellectually bankrupt. When you can't answer straightforward questions on morals, you make my case on that for me.

Sometimes I use your (and DarrinS ) posts as teaching points for my own boys. They aren't very impressed with the quality of your arguments, nor your intellectual honesty, when I explain to them what that is. You are better than many, even so. They were really put off by vy65 saying that he would prefer that the poor children should "starve". Some of their classmates are pretty poor, so they know what poverty is firsthand.

The answer to your questions:

Yes and yes.

NK would require a destructive war, which would cause far more misery than letting them suffer. A moral calculation there says we do nothing that would start a war.
The middle east (north Africa, and south east asia) requires investment and economic development. Oddly enough China seems to be taking the lead there in some ways. Go them. Personally, I would be all for a basic living allowance for all of them.

Well I'm glad you can use my posts as teaching points for your kids. :tu

I am not morally bankrupt though regardless of your opinion. I just don't think you have an accurate world view.

[RandomGuy]

Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy

2) Force those women to give birth (a dangerous medical procedure)



lol you have him in a corner but like all libs you can't help but exaggerate your case with some bullshit

Childbirth is incredibly dangerous based on what I have read, especially historically. Our evolution has given us heads that are often too big for the pelvic girdle.

If you think this is an exaggeration, prove me wrong. Show me mortality data here. State-wide, national, and globally. How dangerous is it really?











or, just be lazy and continue to be ignorant.

Personal responsibility (see for yourself), or laziness (blanket assumption I am wrong). There is a third option, personal responsibility with intellectual dishonesty. You could find out the information, realize it wasn't much of an exaggeration, and decide not to put the information here, and admit you are wrong. (find out the information, and be dishonest enough not to admit fault)

The decision is yours.

[RandomGuy]

Well I'm glad you can use my posts as teaching points for your kids. :tu

I am not morally bankrupt though regardless of your opinion. I just don't think you have an accurate world view.

Notice I made the distinction between you, and the ideology of conservatism. I assume that you are mostly a moral person. I think that if you really thought about the finer points, and practicality of conservatism, you might realize that it is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

[Chucho]

Kid Rock leading the Michigan Senate run is just more proof of how far American Fascism is being rejected and is just another, big fat fucking L the Nazis on the Left are taking.

Michigan deserves a reprieve from the terrors, poverty and just all-out failures of Leftist policies and leadership, just as Chicago does and Poverty Hills, CA deserves better than a thieving bitch like Maxine Waters.

The audacity and denial of any responsibility for their failures will lead to the Left "laughing" at "stupid Repubs" and think that is the reason Kid Rock is surging in the polls and that's just a lie.

The giant failure of the Leftist administration has flat out tanked the state of Michigan and all but killed a once Top 4 city in Detroit, just as we are seeing in Chicago and what we've been seeing in the cesspool here in California.

People aren't stupid, and the alternative isn't too much better, but when you're living in shit because one party is one giant failure with their policies and leadership and habitual lying, people get turned off and look at the "can't be worse than what we already have" alternative.


Chicago, Detroit and LA being major crime infested, impoverished shitholes notorious for being Leftist strongholds isn't coincidence, it's a sign of what Leftism does and how unruly it is. The party is as much a mess as the cities and states it ruins.

But, to the Nazis running that sinking ship and their indoctrinated Brownshirts and Gustappo, it ISN'T the Left, it's the "Stupid Repubs".

The Left being so inept, awful and overall worse than the Right is why people are turning to garbage candidates. Period. The insults, the insecurity of partisanship and the lies can't change what is proven in Chicago, Detroit and LA.

[Adam Lambert]

lol its the lefts fault that republicans cant come up with a candidate better than the guy who sang "bawitabaw"

the failures of the left in states like michigan give republicans great opportunities to put forth a real conservative leader who can actually make real change in washington. theyve used those opportunities instead to put a failing reality show douche in the presidency and a hick-hop rapper in a senate seat. the left may have nothing, but the right has less than that.

[sickdsm]

lol its the lefts fault that republicans cant come up with a candidate better than the guy who sang "bawitabaw"

the failures of the left in states like michigan give republicans great opportunities to put forth a real conservative leader who can actually make real change in washington. theyve used those opportunities instead to put a failing reality show douche in the presidency and a hick-hop rapper in a senate seat. the left may have nothing, but the right has less than that.

The republicans have as shitty as a party as the democrats. People that are sick of the usual will vote for something different.

[Thread]

The republicans have as shitty as a party as the democrats. People that are sick of the usual will vote for something different.

Because they're all cut from the same cloth. We don't want to believe that even after we've seen it for repeat generations and so we fool ourselves because the alternative is vulgar & ugly and frankly total loss.

That's why [all of them] are uncomfortable with Trump and just want him to go away so that they can once again conduct themselves as they have for repeat generations.

[Adam Lambert]

The republicans have as shitty as a party as the democrats. People that are sick of the usual will vote for something different.

false equivalence. trump and kid rock are running as republicans. name one democrat nominee that even compares, and also try to tell me that dems could run that kind of celebrity with any success.

[ducks]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19105/shock-poll-kid-rock-beating-democrat-debbie-hank-berrien?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

[Adam Lambert]

yep. only republicans would be stupid enough to put kid rock in the senate.

[ducks]

On Tuesday, prospective Michigan Senate candidate Kid Rock got a glowing endorsement from one of the original 17 GOP presidential candidates in 2016: former New York Governor George Pataki.

[ducks]

KID ROCK BETTER THEN CLINTON!

[SpursforSix]

"fuck no, I'm not running for Senate"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/356840-kid-rock-f-no-im-not-running-for-senate

Kid Rock is ending months of speculation about a possible Senate bid, saying, “F--- no, I’m not running for Senate.”
“Are you f---ing kidding me? Who couldn’t figure that out?” the “All Summer Long” singer said on Howard Stern’s SiriusXM radio show on Tuesday.
“I’m releasing a new album. I’m going on tour, too. Are you f---ing shitting me?” he asked Stern.

[spurraider21]

KID ROCK BETTER THEN CLINTON!
*ding*

[boutons_deux]

Trashification of Repugs by trashy people.

[Trill Clinton]

"fuck no, I'm not running for Senate"

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/356840-kid-rock-f-no-im-not-running-for-senate

Kid Rock is ending months of speculation about a possible Senate bid, saying, “F--- no, I’m not running for Senate.”
“Are you f---ing kidding me? Who couldn’t figure that out?” the “All Summer Long” singer said on Howard Stern’s SiriusXM radio show on Tuesday.
“I’m releasing a new album. I’m going on tour, too. Are you f---ing shitting me?” he asked Stern.


hilarious

[Trill Clinton]

hes really just dropping a new album.

this is a pr stunt.

still a faggot.

called it lol. kid rock had right wingers ready to hit the polls. sad.