Spurs withdraw qualifying offer for Simmons

[I. Hustle]

You mean like Green, Porker, Gasol, Mills and who else?
Not buying that Simmons has peaked either.

First of all, Parker has a history with the team. Big difference including him in there. I can see the others but you can't put Simmons on TPs level.

[MultiTroll]

Spurs are losing athleticism fast; first Dedmon, now this.
https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/usp_nba__san_antonio_spurs_at_golden_state_warrior _48456551.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1

[MultiTroll]

First of all, Parker has a history with the team. Big difference including him in there. I can see the others but you can't put Simmons on TPs level.
Last time I checked Porker was paid handsomely for every season he was on the roster.
This *loyalty* bullshit in reality is extreme disloyalty to the rest of the teams Championship chances.
Already saw Duncan allow himself to get bf'd by this chit.
Hope Kawhi doesn't put up with it.

[SAGirl]

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:stirpot:
Could be gossip.
Pop said more than once, he was happy for JSimms "bc he was going to have an NBA career now."

Never said he was the team's future or anything tough. Never made expressions similar to the ones he made about Mills.

[baseline bum]

Damn I hope Simmons can get a nice multi year deal still. It would suck to see him have to take a one year deal somewhere.

[DPG21920]

Damn I hope Simmons can get a nice multi year deal still. It would suck to see him have to take a one year deal somewhere.

With the apparent attitude of his I don't really care. Spurs made him a more than fair offer and he thought he was worth more. Bye.

[rastaspur]

Trying to make sense of TheGreatYacht's garbage is like fucking for the cause of virginity

:lol

[baseline bum]

With the apparent attitude of his I don't really care. Spurs made him a more than fair offer and he thought he was worth more. Bye.

What attitude of his? I'm rooting for the guy. He came out of nowhere and showed he can be a quality NBA player. He is so much better now than when he first came to the Spurs.

[coachmac87]

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Just another player thinking they're better then Green (Simmons, SJax) and getting inconsistent minutes...

I see both sides though...

[hooperflash]

Stephen Jackson all over again :rolleyes

[baseline bum]

Stephen Jackson all over again :rolleyes

Spurs would have rang in 06 had they not let him walk.

[hooperflash]

Spurs would have rang in 06 had they not let him walk.
What about '04? Do you think they win then, too?

[DPG21920]

What attitude of his? I'm rooting for the guy. He came out of nowhere and showed he can be a quality NBA player. He is so much better now than when he first came to the Spurs.

The attitude that turned down a lucrative multi-year deal like you're rooting for him to sign then complains about SA handicapping him when it was SA who developed him and gave him his shot. Chuck the deuce up to Simmons imo

[LittleCriminal]

Simmons needs to get over himself...
Now instead of making 9 mill a year he's hoping he gets a contract worth anything.

[baseline bum]

What about '04? Do you think they win then, too?

I don't know, that Pistons team was really something. They were better than the 05 team. I think they would have gotten through LA though without Turkoglu constantly missing shots when no one was within ten feet of him.

[baseline bum]

The attitude that turned down a lucrative multi-year deal like you're rooting for him to sign then complains about SA handicapping him when it was SA who developed him and gave him his shot. Chuck the deuce up to Simmons imo

Do we know what deal he turned down? Or just what the Spurs could theoretically offer? Maybe he wanted a four year deal and RC only offered three. I was kind of leery of RC offering an MLE contract so I'm not mad at the Spurs renouncing him. And I'm not mad at Simmons for holding out for what he thinks he's worth.

[DPG21920]

Do we know what deal he turned down? Or just what the Spurs could theoretically offer? Maybe he wanted a four year deal and RC only offered three. I was kind of leery of RC offering an MLE contract so I'm not mad at the Spurs renouncing him. And I'm not mad at Simmons for holding out for what he thinks he's worth.

What you think you're worth and what you're actually worth are very different things. Spurs offered 3/27M. That's more than he's worth. Let's see where he lands.

But the parting shots about being handicapped is where I say gtfo

[baseline bum]

What you think you're worth and what you're actually worth are very different things. Spurs offered 3/27M. That's more than he's worth. Let's see where he lands.

But the parting shots about being handicapped is where I say gtfo

He was being handicapped by restricted free agency. You don't know that's more than he's worth. We won't know that until we see what he actually signs somewhere for.

[daslicer]

It sucks that it looks like the Spurs are not going to re-sign him but at the same time I don't feel bad for Simmons. Simmons thought he could get overpaid and tried to play the market and it's obvious that he failed.

[DPG21920]

He was being handicapped by restricted free agency. You don't know that's more than he's worth. We won't know that until we see what he actually signs somewhere for.

I do know that is more than he's worth. You can look at the average contracts for wings based on skillset, age, production & advanced stats and quite easily place a market value on players.

Just because one stupid team like NY MAY do something dumb doesn't change the market. And who is he to complain about RFA? He said SA handicapped him not the CBA. He handicapped SA with players like Hanga because he was trying to leverage a dumb team into paying over market value.

Money has basically dried up now and plenty of valued RFA signed lucrative offer sheets. SA or RFA didn't handicap Simmons; the very clear lack of a market for a mediocre player did.

[rjv]

so spurs didn't offer the MLE and simmons asked for spurs to renounce. last heard the mavs were interested but balking at the price tag.

[SAGirl]

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[marinoman]

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This saga is nauseating

[ducks]

Wonder if Simmons will swallow pride and come home

[baseline bum]

I do know that is more than he's worth. You can look at the average contracts for wings based on skillset, age, production & advanced stats and quite easily place a market value on players.

Just because one stupid team like NY MAY do something dumb doesn't change the market. And who is he to complain about RFA? He said SA handicapped him not the CBA. He handicapped SA with players like Hanga because he was trying to leverage a dumb team into paying over market value.

Money has basically dried up now and plenty of valued RFA signed lucrative offer sheets. SA or RFA didn't handicap Simmons; the very clear lack of a market for a mediocre player did.

Mozgov got $64 million man, don't try to tell me $27 million is ridiculous. Of course RFA handicapped Simmons. Most teams had to figure if they offered MLE the Spurs would match. You have to throw huge contracts at an RFA most of the time, eg Hardaway's $71 million.

[jermaine]

All this talk about this nigga like he's a starter! GTFOH fuck this nigga! The Spurs helped his punk ungrateful ass!

[DPG21920]

Mozgov got $64 million man, don't try to tell me $27 million is ridiculous. Of course RFA handicapped Simmons. Most teams had to figure if they offered MLE the Spurs would match. You have to throw huge contracts at an RFA most of the time, eg Hardaway's $71 million.

That's my point. People who are sought after get big offers. Simmons got no big offers. Nor do MOST PLAYERS of his caliber.

[DPG21920]

Mozgov got $64 million man, don't try to tell me $27 million is ridiculous. Of course RFA handicapped Simmons. Most teams had to figure if they offered MLE the Spurs would match. You have to throw huge contracts at an RFA most of the time, eg Hardaway's $71 million.

Also don't know why you're heroing for Simmons. He didn't say RFA handicapped him. He said SPURS did.

[keithington1]

To the Rockets makes sense.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, someoe said that he said the Spurs did. I'm going to withhold judgement until all of this bullshit is over. Spurs having earlly bird rights is still good as it means a S&T isn't dead.

[baseline bum]

Also don't know why you're heroing for Simmons. He didn't say RFA handicapped him. He said SPURS did.

LOL saying I'm heroing for Simmons when I already said I'm ok with the Spurs renouncing him.

[Vic Petro]

This Tejeda joker is fucking up his client's free agency. I don't see any other NBA players on his client list.

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Cervando-Tejeda/157

[ElNono]

Thanks Jeff Van Gundy... he's been fluffing Simms on every national TV game, now his agent thinks he's the shit.. smdh

[ceperez]

This Tejeda joker is fucking up his client's free agency. I don't see any other NBA players on his client list.

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Cervando-Tejeda/157

Could simply be greedy considering he's only got one client!!!

[loveforthegame]

Who's leaking this stuff?

The second player to reportedly blame the Spurs and want out. First Aldridge and now Simmons.

[Hoops Czar]

Who's leaking this stuff?

The second player to reportedly blame the Spurs and want out. First Aldridge and now Simmons.

Richard Jefferson and David West as well. But everyone is content with blaming the player rather than the well respected elephant in the room.

[dabom]

Richard Jefferson and David West as well. But everyone is content with blaming the player rather than the well respected elephant in the room.

Porker?

[benefactor]

Wonder if Simmons will swallow pride and come home
Wonder if you will swallow pride learn proper grammar

[bic50]

Richard Jefferson and David West as well. But everyone is content with blaming the player rather than the well respected elephant in the room.
Robert hurry and sjax

[tholdren]

Wonder if you will swallow pride learn proper grammar

Forgot ? Grammar police

[SnakeBoy]

Could simply be greedy considering he's only got one client!!!

Nah, Simmons is the problem. Tejada has been begging Simmons "Help me... help you. Help me, help you."

[Ice009]

885581499046666240

I told you all that he's being a selfish fuckhead with no loyalty. The Spurs gave him a shot at this payday and this is how he repays them. lol.

[Spurs9]

Just saw a ticker during the Lakers game at the bottom, "Spurs working on a deal to Keep Simmons, despite them renouncing."

[DPG21920]

People heroing for Simmons thinking he deserves more than 9M or that the offer was not fair is baffling me.

I mean, you have guys like Jabari on Twitter saying "the man isn't asking much, he just wants to be compensated fairly". What?

[Leetonidas]

Unfortunately the summer of 2016 made a bunch of scrubs think they're worth 15 million a season

[Hoops Czar]

Unfortunately the summer of 2016 made a bunch of scrubs think they're worth 15 million a season
Unfortunately, a lot of teams had stupid money to spend and scrubs were the beneficiaries of that stupid money.

[daslicer]

People heroing for Simmons thinking he deserves more than 9M or that the offer was not fair is baffling me.

I mean, you have guys like Jabari on Twitter saying "the man isn't asking much, he just wants to be compensated fairly". What?

Simmons tried to play the market and get overpaid but it seems like it's not going work out for him. I have no problems with the spurs low balling him and him having to take a lesser deal than the original 9 mil deal. He played the game and lost.

[SpursFan86]

Gotta agree with DPG. 3 years/$27 million is more than reasonable. If Simmons thinks he's worth much more than that, all power to him...but I'll pass.

And let's be real: Simmons isn't going to be the difference between us and a championship :lol I'd rather preserve cap space for the next few years, even if landing a big name FA is pretty unlikely.

[apalisoc_9]

I'd sign and trade simmons for a role player big.

The Hernangomez dude from NY is decent, Nance JR is a decent 4th big...Very good offball player etc.

There must be a way to get S&T simmons.

I'd like the spurs to give LA a call and see if they would interested with a S&T for Nance...

[SAGirl]

People heroing for Simmons thinking he deserves more than 9M or that the offer was not fair is baffling me.

I mean, you have guys like Jabari on Twitter saying "the man isn't asking much, he just wants to be compensated fairly". What?

Simmons, the 34th best remaining FA look at this list:
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then remember all the players that have taken small deals (and short 1 or 2 year deals too) this season. I honestly thought he was getting paid myself, but this offseason has been brutal for FA considering the disaster that teams did to themselves last offseason.

[davidbowie]

this dude obv doesnt wanna be here
just get this shit over with already

[Hoops Czar]

Simmons, the 34th best remaining FA look at this list:
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then remember all the players that have taken small deals (and short 1 or 2 year deals too) this season. I honestly thought he was getting paid myself, but this offseason has been brutal for FA considering the disaster that teams did to themselves last offseason.
Sign Bogut or Splitter for the minimum and call it an offseason.

[apalisoc_9]

Sign Bogut or Splitter for the minimum and call it an offseason.

Ew...

[baseline bum]

People heroing for Simmons thinking he deserves more than 9M or that the offer was not fair is baffling me.

I mean, you have guys like Jabari on Twitter saying "the man isn't asking much, he just wants to be compensated fairly". What?

LOL calling it heroing.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm still not sold the Spurs offered him 3 years 9 million per. If that's heroing, then so be it.

[apalisoc_9]

I suppose the spurs can unquire about alex len
..

[Eaglenole2002]

http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/885706886720274432

Aldridge says Simmons signing is imminent. Doesn't say with whom...

[Hoops Czar]

Ew...

Need a defensive paint presence. You're not going to get thst from Pau or Joffrey. Bogut is also a very good passer so It's one of those low risk, high reward signings that won't comeback to sting the Spurs. Splitter? Meh, he was good when he was healthy.

[tmtcsc]

Gotta agree with DPG. 3 years/$27 million is more than reasonable. If Simmons thinks he's worth much more than that, all power to him...but I'll pass.

And let's be real: Simmons isn't going to be the difference between us and a championship :lol I'd rather preserve cap space for the next few years, even if landing a big name FA is pretty unlikely.

I think 27 million for a fringe player who had a handful of good games is ridiculous.

[apalisoc_9]

Need a defensive paint presence. You're not going to get thst from Pau or Joffrey. Bogut is also a very good passer so It's one of those low risk, high reward signings that won't comeback to sting the Spurs. Splitter? Meh, he was good when he was healthy.

I puked.

[Hoops Czar]

I puked.

You stole my reaction when they signed Joffrey. :lol

[DesignatedT]

As much as I enjoyed watching Simmons last postseason (he definitely played inspired ball), my gut tells me that letting him walk is probably the right move in the long run (based on the reported price tag).

Wonder who he's signing with. Brooklyn maybe? Phoenix?

[ducks]

Simmons Aldridge for suns 4 pick?

[SAGirl]

http://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/885706886720274432

Aldridge says Simmons signing is imminent. Doesn't say with whom...

Thanks for sharing. I doubt it's the Spurs.
His representatives were allegedly displeased with the Spurs and were seeking a deal anywhere but here first.
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this story goes on to say:

The Spurs can still negotiate with Simmons as an unrestricted free agent, but league sources tell the Express-News his representatives were displeased with the way the Spurs negotiated with Simmons and will seek deals elsewhere before a commitment to re-sign in San Antonio.

[Hoops Czar]

Thanks for sharing. I doubt it's the Spurs.
His representatives were allegedly displeased with the Spurs and were seeking a deal anywhere but here first.
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Wait, wait, wait... That's not what that tweet says. His representatives were displeased why? Because the Spurs ONLY offered him a 9M qualifying offer? Because the Spurs made him restricted? His representatives have nothing to be displeased about.

[ducks]

His agents are ruining him

[SAGirl]

Wait, wait, wait... That's not what that tweet says. His representatives were displeased why? Because the Spurs ONLY offered him a 9M qualifying offer? Because the Spurs made him restricted? His representatives have nothing to be displeased about.

read the article I linked. the section I quoted is there.

[SAGirl]

Wait, wait, wait... That's not what that tweet says. His representatives were displeased why? Because the Spurs ONLY offered him a 9M qualifying offer? Because the Spurs made him restricted? His representatives have nothing to be displeased about.

Also, if you want my take on it. It's all related to that trade deal not falling through.
I believe based on what I have seen they had an agreement and the Spurs backed out after it was pretty much in place. The possible reason and this is my speculation was that King Joff Lauvergne became available for too cheap to pass up. Spurs backed out on that trade, Simmons is out of a big deal. He's now pissed off and wants to play anywhere else.

[Hoops Czar]

Also, if you want my take on it. It's all related to that trade deal not falling through.
I believe based on what I have seen they had an agreement and the Spurs backed out after it was pretty much in place. The possible reason and this is my speculation was that King Joff Lauvergne became available for too cheap to pass up. Spurs backed out on that trade, Simmons is out of a big deal. He's now pissed off and wants to play anywhere else.

Possibly, but I can't see the Suns paying more than 9M and Simm's representatives shouldn't be pissed at the Spurs for not wanting an extra 13.5M on the books for next season. Maybe it had something to do with that third year team option instead of player option.

[BatManu20]

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[davidbowie]

anyone got the vine where he and his boys are cheering for the heat when they beat us in '13?

[rjv]

885706886720274432 mavs?

[Mr. Body]

A lot of attention to a basically marginal player.

[Blackjack]

Somewhat reminiscent of Jack, only I think the Spurs played this one as best they could - that was a more than fair QO.

In the end, he (his agent) is betting on him. Unlikely it plays out as well as it did for Jack, though. Interested to see if he'll do a one-year, player-option in Year 2, then try again.

[rjv]

Simmons to Atlanta? Shams Charania
Twitter › RaptorsMilGrau
Jonathon Simmons has agreed to sign a three-year, 25$ million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.
31 mins

[ducks]

Wonder if they will do sign and trade

[daslicer]

Somewhat reminiscent of Jack, only I think the Spurs played this one as best they could - that was a more than fair QO.

In the end, he (his agent) is betting on him. Unlikely it plays out as well as it did for Jack, though. Interested to see if he'll do a one-year, player-option in Year 2, then try again.

I don't think it will pan out for him like it did with Jax. Jax was still very young in '03. He had just turned 25 back then which made it easier for him to take a risk and gamble for a bigger contract. Simmons will be turning 28 in a few months. This is pretty much it for him. He probably pissed away his only chance for a good deal. There is a high probability for the rest of his career he will never get a better deal than what the Spurs offered him.

[Blackjack]

Simmons to Atlanta? Shams Charania
Twitter › RaptorsMilGrau
Jonathon Simmons has agreed to sign a three-year, 25$ million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.
31 mins

Guess that answers that. Going to be kicking himself, possibly firing an agent, for that one.

[Texas_Ranger]

I hope he enjoys playing for a 20 win team.

[Hoops Czar]

Simmons to Atlanta? Shams Charania
Twitter › RaptorsMilGrau
Jonathon Simmons has agreed to sign a three-year, 25$ million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.
31 mins

And this is the last you'll ever hear the name Jonathan Simmons.

[ducks]

Simmons to Atlanta? Shams Charania
Twitter › RaptorsMilGrau
Jonathon Simmons has agreed to sign a three-year, 25$ million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.
31 minsnothing here
https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania

[SAGirl]

Simmons to Atlanta? Shams Charania
Twitter › RaptorsMilGrau
Jonathon Simmons has agreed to sign a three-year, 25$ million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.
31 mins

good for him. I am assuming the third season not being guaranteed was a deal breaker in the Spurs offer then.

[DPG21920]

It's not just the "I want Simmons to land a great deal crowd" but guys like Jabari acting like Simmons was done wrong. Plenty of FAs got good deals but Simmons is mediocre, 27, can't shoot and is low priority obviously. Not just by SA but by almost every team.

Then on top of it people on ST who watched him are acting like he's Iggy levels of good.

I was fine w Simmons doing his FA thing but he was gambling someone was going to do something dumb and those options are dwindling now. Plus when coupled with the possibility of a bad attitude when SA gave him a career?

[Hoops Czar]

Guess that answers that. Going to be kicking himself, possibly firing an agent, for that one.

He got himself an extra 7M guaranteed. For scrubs, winning is secondary to making money.

[daslicer]

In the end he ended up taking slightly less money than what the Spurs offered. Clearly him and his agent are dumbasses.

[ducks]

Nothing here yet
https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spurstalk.com%2Fforums%2F showthread.php%3Ft%3D269452%26page%3D3

[ducks]

good for him. I am assuming the third season not being guaranteed was a deal breaker in the Spurs offer then.

I want link

[ducks]

Simmons to Atlanta? Shams Charania
Twitter › RaptorsMilGrau
Jonathon Simmons has agreed to sign a three-year, 25$ million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.
31 mins
Provide the link

[SAGirl]

yea we will need confirmation. If that is the deal I'll wait to see the meltdown tomorrow.

[rjv]

nothing here
https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania that's why I placed a question mark. I was looking for confirmation.

[ducks]

that's why I placed a question mark. I was looking for confirmation.

Ok

[Blackjack]

He got himself an extra 7M guaranteed. For scrubs, winning is secondary to making money.

If the original reports were true, the money would have been as good or better and he'd be playing meaningful basketball, not having to move.

It's not a bad deal for him, but he threw away the better option.

[ducks]

Texas also taxes are better

[Hoops Czar]

If the original reports were true, the money would have been as good or better and he'd be playing meaningful basketball, not having to move.

It's not a bad deal for him, but he threw away the better option.

I believe the third year was a team option so not guaranteed.

[BatManu20]

Simmons to Atlanta? Shams Charania
Twitter › RaptorsMilGrau
Jonathon Simmons has agreed to sign a three-year, 25$ million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.
31 mins


Fake post.

[Blackjack]

I believe the third year was a team option so not guaranteed.

If he lives up to the contract, it's picked up. Ducks is right about the taxes, too.

But, you may be right. If he has any doubts about being worth his option being picked up in Year 3, he got his security. Happy for him - and glad the Spurs let him go if he has doubts about shit like that.

[Blackjack]

Fuck, rjv... you get me with some fake news?

The pink may have to come out . . .

[SAGirl]

In the end he ended up taking slightly less money than what the Spurs offered. Clearly him and his agent are dumbasses.

If that is the deal.. (as of yet unconfirmed).. he didn't lose as much as George Hill and his agent.

[daslicer]

If that is the deal.. (as of yet unconfirmed).. he didn't lose as much as George Hill and his agent.

He still ended up making less money which is he was trying to maximize. Granted if the Spurs weren't guaranteeing the third year then I will admit that he put himself in a better position.

[Ice009]

Simmons to Atlanta? Shams Charania
Twitter › RaptorsMilGrau
Jonathon Simmons has agreed to sign a three-year, 25$ million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell The Vertical.
31 mins

How ironic that he went to Atlanta. Same place SJax went to. Would you guys have re-signed him for $25 million x 3 years?

Edit : Is that news legit?

[ceperez]

The disconnect with Simmons is that for most teams that only compete in the regular season, he hasn't put very good numbers.

Could Simmons perhaps want to play for his home town Houston????

[jhfenton]

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There really was a Tweet, but it was from @RaptorsMilGrau, whoever the hell that is. The reference to Shams was a head fake.

[picnroll]

Not bad on a $100 investment by Simms. Wish my investments had that return on capital. Beats giving haircuts.

[duncan2k5]

No, he wasn't. Why do people keep insisting on pushing that lie? :lol

who was?

[duncan2k5]

im gonna miss J Simmy...one of my fav players on the spurs...i hope this news is fake

[kaji157]

I was saying he could be had for 3/22. Too bad the spurs are cheap.

[jermaine]

Like Dedmon, if he had beef with Pop, it's a done deal... Duuuuuh!

[Spurs9]

:cry We never wanted him anyway-ST :cry

[cjw]

I wanted Simmons back originally, but the more I looked at his regular season stats the more it felt they should instead try unearthing a guy for cheap (Patriots style, and I hate that comparison) and let someone else pay him. I'd even rather keep that cap space dry for next summer for either a signing or to grab an asset in a trade to a team looking to free cap space if FA doesn't pan out.

I don't think Patty for 4/$50 was prudent but his contract can always be moved. If Simmons had been signed for 4/$40 or something and had regressed back to a replacement level guy, that deal can't be moved.

[picnroll]

I think Pop is going to try to go to more of a ball movement, drive and dish, open three game next year and Simmons isn't that guy.

[ducks]

Green would be more usefully

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think Pop is going to try to go to more of a ball movement, drive and dish, open three game next year and Simmons isn't that guy.

Agreed. With the accumulation of wings and guards, it seems obvious they are going to go back to the beautiful game, or some variation of it. I assume this summer's Kawhi v6.0 upgrade is going to be court vision and passing. Not sure how Aldridge fits or how they work him in with this, but it seems pretty clear what direction we're headed.

[wildbill2u]

I liked Simmon. Loved his story and how the Spurs gave him his big break. His physical skills were outstanding and gave him some great highlight reel moments. But as Charles Barkley once said, "It ain't about having great physical skills. A deer can run fast and jump high--but you don't see many deer in the NBA."

I think the FO must have come to the conclusion that Simmons had not progressed with his BB IQ skills enough to be retained--or that other younger guys with more all around skill sets could do his job at a lesser cost.

I'm glad he got a job as soon as the Spurs relinquished his rights. The FO is good about helping players that way when they can't fit someone into the roster at a price they feel is equitable. Too bad we couldn't work out a sign and trade to get something of value, but then again, that tells you something about his perceived value around the league. I really wish him well and hope he has great success with a new team. Now let's move on and get excited about who will replace him.

[td4mvp2k]

I liked Simmon. Loved his story and how the Spurs gave him his big break. His physical skills were outstanding and gave him some great highlight reel moments. But as Charles Barkley once said, "It ain't about having great physical skills. A deer can run fast and jump high--but you don't see many deer in the NBA."

I think the FO must have come to the conclusion that Simmons had not progressed with his BB IQ skills enough to be retained--or that other younger guys with more all around skill sets could do his job at a lesser cost.

I'm glad he got a job as soon as the Spurs relinquished his rights. The FO is good about helping players that way when they can't fit someone into the roster at a price they feel is equitable. Too bad we couldn't work out a sign and trade to get something of value, but then again, that tells you something about his perceived value around the league. I really wish him well and hope he has great success with a new team. Now let's move on and get excited about who will replace him.+1 spurs not going to over pay when they can find a better player to replace tbh

[ducks]

Agreed. With the accumulation of wings and guards, it seems obvious they are going to go back to the beautiful game, or some variation of it. I assume this summer's Kawhi v6.0 upgrade is going to be court vision and passing. Not sure how Aldridge fits or how they work him in with this, but it seems pretty clear what direction we're headed.
they may still hope to move him before now and the trade deadline

[ducks]

if we are going back to ball movement diaw might be alright to bring back and he knows the system and can help off the bench

[21209]

Not a 3 point threat and doesn't handle the ball consistently.

They're right not to overpay him.

[tholdren]

Bye felicia

[DPG21920]

Mozgov got $64 million man, don't try to tell me $27 million is ridiculous. Of course RFA handicapped Simmons. Most teams had to figure if they offered MLE the Spurs would match. You have to throw huge contracts at an RFA most of the time, eg Hardaway's $71 million.

Welp, we now know for sure that 9M a year was more than he was worth.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Seems like RFA didn't handicap Simmons. His unrealistic expectations did. Newbie player, newbie agent.

[RD2191]

Not a 3 point threat and doesn't handle the ball consistently.

They're right not to overpay him.

Aka patty mills :lmao

[DPG21920]

Aka patty mills :lmao

Did you order a number 1 combo with a side of dumb?

Everyone that could shoot, even medicore players, got paid more than Simmons. This isn't rocket science. Look at Mills 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

Look at JJ Reddick 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

Hell, even a guy who's been flat out bad mostly in Tony Snell - look at his 3PT % vs Simmons and the difference in their deals.

[GSH]

Did you order a number 1 combo with a side of dumb?

Everyone that could shoot, even medicore players, got paid more than Simmons. This isn't rocket science. Look at Mills 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

Look at JJ Reddick 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

Hell, even a guy who's been flat out bad mostly in Tony Snell - look at his 3PT % vs Simmons and the difference in their deals.


I can't argue against Patty based on his 3P%, or any of the numbers that show up on his stat sheet, DPG. And I can't argue about the money he got. But I can argue against him on the basis of the Spurs needing a PG to keep the offense flowing.

Every year, Kawhi seems to come back after the summer with some new shit in his game. Who knows? Maybe he really will show up as a point-forward when the season opens. Then the Spurs can just rely on Patty for his defense. :lol

[DPG21920]

I can't argue against Patty based on his 3P%, or any of the numbers that show up on his stat sheet, DPG. And I can't argue about the money he got. But I can argue against him on the basis of the Spurs needing a PG to keep the offense flowing.

Every year, Kawhi seems to come back after the summer with some new shit in his game. Who knows? Maybe he really will show up as a point-forward when the season opens. Then the Spurs can just rely on Patty for his defense. :lol

I agree - I wanted a PG upgrade and I've probably been one of the most vocal about Mills and his ability to be a starter before it was cool.

But this was a situation where upgrading PG would have been tough and Spurs were in a pinch with TP injured. Mills was cheap compared to most, does really well in the regular season (which is imprortant despite many only weighing the playoffs) and anyone who would have moved the needle costs a lot more and/or SA was not that interested in.

For example, SA could have had Hill for what SAC gave him for sure it appears, but they didn't value him. Right or wrong, I think they know they need a PG, I also think they don't see Patty as the answer as a starter either. I think they were in a pinch with TP & Simmons & Maybe Manu and placed value on someone that does pretty good as a short-term stop gap.

I don't at all think that Mills will be the starting PG after next year and that changes the variables a lot. If Mills is able to just play his 6th man role, his contract is fine & again he's viewed highly around the league if you are to believe the consistent reports from multiple sauces.

[RD2191]

Did you order a number 1 combo with a side of dumb?

Everyone that could shoot, even medicore players, got paid more than Simmons. This isn't rocket science. Look at Mills 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

Look at JJ Reddick 3PT% - got more than Simmons.

Hell, even a guy who's been flat out bad mostly in Tony Snell - look at his 3PT % vs Simmons and the difference in their deals.

Crofl. Brick mills is trash. When was the last time he hit a meaningful shot? And even if he's hitting he still gives it up on the other end.

[DPG21920]

Crofl. Brick mills is trash. When was the last time he hit a meaningful shot? And even if he's hitting he still gives it up on the other end.

Well brick Simmons can't hit shots whether they are meaningful or not and his defense is overrated too.

Sure, Simmons is probably "better" than Mills if you are talking raw minutes on a garbage team. But on a team like SA, with Kawhi/LMA healthy Mills >>>>> Simmons.

[RD2191]

Well brick Simmons can't hit shots whether they are meaningful or not and his defense is overrated too.

Sure, Simmons is probably "better" than Mills if you are talking raw minutes on a garbage team. But on a team like SA, with Kawhi/LMA healthy Mills >>>>> Simmons.

Crofl. The guy that got abused by Austin Rivers? Ahahahahahhaahaha

[DPG21920]

Crofl. The guy that got abused by Austin Rivers? Ahahahahahhaahaha

Yes - that is how medicore Simmons is that the guy that got abused by Rivers is valued by the Spurs and rest of the league by nearly 30M more :lol

Tony Snell was valued more than Simmons :lol

[RD2191]

Yes - that is how medicore Simmons is that the guy that got abused by Rivers is valued by the Spurs and rest of the league by nearly 30M more :lol

Tony Snell was valued more than Simmons :lol

*Valued by the Spurs

[DPG21920]

*Valued by the Spurs

Nope - valued by plenty of teams. We saw what other teams, from multiple reports were valuing Mills at. Simmons, who teams could have had for whatever they wanted offered him 3/18M :lol.

It was not just the Spurs. Free agent after free agent signed better deals than Simmons, both restricted FA and UFA. We absolutely know the market for Simmons.

[RD2191]

Nope - valued by plenty of teams. We saw what other teams, from multiple reports were valuing Mills at. Simmons, who teams could have had for whatever they wanted offered him 3/18M :lol.

It was not just the Spurs. Free agent after free agent signed better deals than Simmons, both restricted FA and UFA. We absolutely know the market for Simmons.

Multiple reports crofl. No other team was giving mills 4/50. Fuck outta here.

[DPG21920]

Multiple reports crofl. No other team was giving mills 4/50. Fuck outta here.

Well you can speculate off that. I will base my opinion on multiple credible people talking about Mills market bein 12-15M a year and the fact that sa moved fast to lock him up on the lower end of that spectrum. I will also see how every team could have made an offer to Simmons before other players and they did not and even when he was an unrestricted free agent he barely got anything.

[RD2191]

Well you can speculate off that. I will base my opinion on multiple credible people talking about Mills market bein 12-15M a year and the fact that sa moved fast to lock him up on the lower end of that spectrum. I will also see how every team could have made an offer to Simmons before other players and they did not and even when he was an unrestricted free agent he barely got anything.

LMAO. Talking out of your ass? Legit proof that another team was willing to pay mills big money or gtfo.

[DPG21920]

LMAO. Talking out of your ass? Legit proof that another team was willing to pay mills big money or gtfo.

There is more legit proof of that using deductive reasoning than there is saying Simmons, who got paid less than Mills, Snell, Hardaway and countless others should have been paid Mills money.

Prove yours first, then I will prove mine.

[dabom]

50 mil for MVPatty is underpay. 12.5 per and that's underpay with 100mil salary cap and only going higher.

Olympian, multiple years with significant minutes RS and POs playing for a contender. Best PG last 3 years for the Spurs. He is a guarantee player.

[RD2191]

There is more legit proof of that using deductive reasoning than there is saying Simmons, who got paid less than Mills, Snell, Hardaway and countless others should have been paid Mills money.

Prove yours first, then I will prove mine.

As I figured, you're backing down.

[therealtruth]

The Spurs undercut themselves with Mills. The market dried up pretty quickly as George Hill saw. So it's likely Mills wasn't going to get 50M from any other team. He's not even GH good.

[RD2191]

The Spurs undercut themselves with Mills. The market dried up pretty quickly as George Hill saw. So it's likely Mills wasn't going to get 50M from any other team. He's not even GH good.

You speak the truth. Some Spur fans are delusional TBH.

[Budkin]

You speak the truth. Some Spur fans are delusional TBH.

But towel waving BALA!

[dabom]

But towel waving BALA!

You seruous?

[Budkin]

You seruous?

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