Manu is back!!!!

[yagozev]

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2044946-confirmado-manu-ginobili-jugara-un-ano-mas-en-la-nba-y-afrontara-su-16-temporada-en-la-elite

:downspin::downspin::downspin:

[tonight...you]

TGY Juice... tbh.
The guy has something to live for, for one more year.

[dabom]

ElNono

[tonight...you]

ElNono (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054)
God, doesn't he wish he really WAS Manu's agent? That guy has retirement money for generations off of Manu doing his thing for 16 years.

[DeRozan m8]

Ok doesn't give a fuck about the team.

Cool fan

[99 Problems]

Get in here. :lobt2:

[BillMc]

Manu is always welcome. Class act, great leader.

[ElNono]

working on contract details, brb

[Prose]

Manu is always welcome. Class act, great leader.

[GB20]

Sin bola is back!!!!

[sananspursfan21]

Mi gusta!

[phxspurfan]

Emmanuel Geenobeeeeleeeee

[BillMc]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/harden-ginobili.jpg?w=1200

[LittleCriminal]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/harden-ginobili.jpg?w=1200

[TheGreatYacht]

Who gives a shit. MVPau is coming back :tu

[ElNono]

God, doesn't he wish he really WAS Manu's agent? That guy has retirement money for generations off of Manu doing his thing for 16 years.

https://media.tenor.com/images/26263eced3747e6c922a9ae885fe55da/tenor.gif

[Spurtacular]

Knew it was happening. My sources are solid.

[illusioNtEk]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/harden-ginobili.jpg?w=1200


fuck off haters

[Spurtacular]

fuck off haters

That's pretty much all of ST. If we got rid of everyone they called to dump, we'd have a d-league plus team.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/harden-ginobili.jpg?w=1200

I approve of this

[tonight...you]

https://media.tenor.com/images/26263eced3747e6c922a9ae885fe55da/tenor.gif
Aw damn! I'm convinced! I wanna be your hanger-onner! KG style!
I'm pretty... I collect hotties and I'm a great wing-man. Plus... I'm (happily) married! I'm not looking for my own!

[spurs10]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/harden-ginobili.jpg?w=1200 That's what I'm talking about! :toast

[SouthTexasRancher]

Manu is always welcome. Class act, great leader.

What Bill Mc said....I Second it...! :toast

[apalisoc_9]

Really starting to hate Manu.....This is not a good decision.

[Biggems]

Oh hell yes

[Solid D]

I love this guy. One of my all time favorites...and still is.

[tholdren]

Best offseason ever tbh

[Play Boban]

I hope he gets $15 million tbh. :flag:

[tholdren]

I hope he gets $15 million tbh. :flag::cry

[mudyez]

Hell yeah!

[SpurPadre]

Love it...only wish TD would've been able to have done the same thing last season and who knows how that would've changed things compensating for LMA's WCF chokejob.

[rudwick]

El calvo!

[vander]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/harden-ginobili.jpg?w=1200

Does anyone actually believe harden would have made that shot?

[pookenstein]

Does anyone actually believe harden would have made that shot?

Unlikely. But better be safe than sorry.

[BatManu20]

887606643462213632

[Spurtacular]

Really starting to hate Manu.....This is not a good decision.

:lmao Today's player fans.

[dabom]

:lmao Today's player fans.

A jimmy stan. :lol

[Spurtacular]

http://orig04.deviantart.net/ecbe/f/2015/261/1/f/manu_ginobili_mini_poster_by_tmaclabi-d9a2kgn.jpg

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zeHJMCiN60

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02DUWIRB084

[140]

Pay the man.

[Diego20]

According to TN (argentinian website), Manu's gonna earn vet min (under 4 mill )

:wow

[Spurtacular]

A jimmy stan. :lol

If you're somehow not apalisoc_9 's sock, you seriously got to stop rimjobbing the twirp.

[Spurtacular]

https://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/u/blog/2456985/manu-ginobili-rings.jpg?cb=1466043485

[Canyonero]

According to TN (argentinian website), Manu's gonna earn vet min (under 4 mill )

:wow

Taking paycuts so Spurs can be competitive :worthy::worthy::worthy:

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

According to TN (argentinian website), Manu's gonna earn vet min (under 4 mill )

:wow

If he's taking the min then the Spurs either aren't finished spending, or they're definitely giving Pau a 1 year deal. Either would be good news.

[Chinook]

If he's taking the min then the Spurs either aren't finished spending, or they're definitely giving Pau a 1 year deal. Either would be good news.

My guess is that Manu is not making the min and is literally making "under $4 Million". That they are working on deals with Gasol and Manu simultaneously makes me think they are giving Ginobili as much as they can after fitting Pau in. With Milutinov planning on being a bad contract next year, the team keeping the LLE is the only possible thing to factor it up to the tax.

[99 Problems]

Yes, that shot was going in. Until Manu swated it away.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I love this guy. One of my all time favorites...and still is.

Absolutely, we won't have another player like him for the next 20 years. All time favorite athlete.

[Spur|n|Austin]

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/8/20/13/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7066-1377018845-3.gif

[Spurtacular]

Absolutely, we won't have another player like him for the next 20 years. All time favorite athlete.

You think another Manu is coming along? That's like a Celtic fan thinking the next Larry Bird is on the way. He's a once-in-a-lifetime player. That's what makes all these ST troll pathetic, calling for him to retire based on whatever piddly reason they've came up with.

[tonight...you]

If you're somehow not apalisoc_9 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11260) 's sock, you seriously got to stop rimjobbing the twirp.
:lol

[Clipper Nation]

https://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/u/blog/2456985/manu-ginobili-rings.jpg?cb=1466043485
He'd have two or three more if it wasn't for Porker, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

According to TN (argentinian website), Manu's gonna earn vet min (under 4 mill )

:wow
It's shameful that guys like Manu and MVPatty are still being underpaid while Porker hogs all the cap space with his loyalty contract.

[look_at_g_shred]

Does anyone actually believe harden would have made that shot?
With the track record the spurs have of heartbreaking losses in the playoffs..it was absolutely going in.

[E20]

I fucking love Manu. Big time homer. if you were to give me an option of only keeping one Manu or Kawhi. I'd kick Kawhi's ass to the street in a second.

[rjv]

manu and parker threads always seem to turn into a Marvel vs. DC universe debate.

[RD2191]

I fucking love Manu. Big time homer. if you were to give me an option of only keeping one Manu or Kawhi. I'd kick Kawhi's ass to the street in a second.

That's because you're a dumbass.

[SpursforSix]

He'd have two or three more if it wasn't for Porker, tbh.

And one more if it wasn't for himself.

[TheGreatYacht]

Absolutely, we won't have another player like him for the next 20 years. All time favorite athlete.

I fucking love Manu. Big time homer. if you were to give me an option of only keeping one Manu or Kawhi. I'd kick Kawhi's ass to the street in a second.
Ungrateful player fans. Argentinos narizones gotta stick together

[Canyonero]

Ungrateful player fans. Argentinos narizones gotta stick together

Back to your choza amigo.

[Ice009]

I fucking love Manu. Big time homer. if you were to give me an option of only keeping one Manu or Kawhi. I'd kick Kawhi's ass to the street in a second.

Do you mean a prime Manu, or do you mean current Manu over current Kawhi? If so, I don't know what to say.

I love Manu, one of my all-time favourite players, but I'm not sure what to say if you're talking about taking current Manu over Kawhi.

Right now for my all-time favourite players it would go -
1. Tim
2A. Manu (a few years ago I had Manu at 1B, but these past few years have sucked seeing him not being about to dominate like he used to and rip people's hearts out)
2B. D-Rob
2C. Kawhi. I just cannot pick between them for the number 2 spot. I think Kawhi can get even higher, though.

Kawhi has convinced me last season in one area of his game that I was looking for from him. I thought the previous 2 years his mental game wasn't there and I was disappointed because I know how great he wants to be and I thought he was holding himself back in 2015 and 2016 as he wasn't quite there in the mental/killer instinct aspect of the game. He made it there last season and it was magnificent to see. Hopefully, he can build on that and be even better going forward.

[140]

It's shameful that guys like Manu and MVPatty are still being underpaid while Porker hogs all the cap space with his loyalty contract.

[bklynspursfan]

He'd have two or three more if it wasn't for Porker, tbh.


It's shameful that guys like Manu and MVPatty are still being underpaid while Porker hogs all the cap space with his loyalty contract.

You should speak with a professional on your obsession. Doesn't seem healthy.

[Clipper Nation]

And one more if it wasn't for himself.
When? He didn't chuck up more shots than prime Duncan on terrible efficiency in 2004 or 2006. He didn't get humiliated and exposed by Mario Chalmers with the championship on the line in 2013.

[SpursforSix]

When? He didn't chuck up more shots than prime Duncan on terrible efficiency in 2004 or 2006. He didn't get humiliated and exposed by Mario Chalmers with the championship on the line in 2013.

The "And 1" foul on Dirk.

[hater]

Fuck that senile mummy

1st round exit here we come

[dabom]

It's shameful that guys like Manu and MVPatty are still being underpaid while Porker hogs all the cap space with his loyalty contract.

:lol

[E20]

That's because you're a dumbass.


Ungrateful player fans. Argentinos narizones gotta stick together


Do you mean a prime Manu, or do you mean current Manu over current Kawhi? If so, I don't know what to say.

RD2191 FUCK YOU you don't know shit

TheGreatYacht FUCK yOU you don't know shit, the spurs have 0% chance of winning so might as well roll with the good times and just continue playing the players we are familiar with.

Ice009 current Manu >50 year old Manu > Manu's corpse > Manu's soul in heaven > Manu's unborn great grandchild > Kawhi.

[Clipper Nation]

The "And 1" foul on Dirk.
...wouldn't have happened if Porker didn't spend all series taking more shots than prime Duncan or prime Manu on a pathetic 47.8 TS%. The Spurs should have beaten Dallas with ease that year, but Porker decided to be the Mavs' MVP.

[Capt Bringdown]

I fucking love Manu. Big time homer. if you were to give me an option of only keeping one Manu or Kawhi. I'd kick Kawhi's ass to the street in a second.

There are Manu fans, and there are Spurs fans.
/sorted

[Diego20]

...wouldn't have happened if Porker didn't spend all series taking more shots than prime Duncan or prime Manu on a pathetic 47.8 TS%. The Spurs should have beaten Dallas with ease that year, but Porker decided to be the Mavs' MVP.

[E20]

There are Manu fans, and there are Spurs fans.
/sorted

There are Morons, and there's you, also a Moron.
/sorted

[SpursforSix]

...wouldn't have happened if Porker didn't spend all series taking more shots than prime Duncan or prime Manu on a pathetic 47.8 TS%. The Spurs should have beaten Dallas with ease that year, but Porker decided to be the Mavs' MVP.

You won't find me defending Parker. But for all of whatever mistakes you want to lump on him, Manu's sealed the loss and ended the season.

[Capt Bringdown]

There are Morons, and there's you, also a Moron.
/sorted

Coming from a "fan" who would kick Leonard to the curb over Manu, that's high praise.

[mingus]

I think had the salary cap not increased the last couple years, we MIGHT have seen him retire already. But he is & should be taking advantage of it. Whereas before he might been brought back using the vet-min or mid-level (most likely),at this point he can make 7-9 mil easy per year. When you retire from your "job" as early as athletes do, it's important squeeze as much money as they can out of their contracts toward the end.

In no way am I suggesting money is the only reason. His love of the game is still obvious.

[spurs10]

Great news!

[bklynspursfan]

You won't find me defending Parker. But for all of whatever mistakes you want to lump on him, Manu's sealed the loss and ended the season.

Dude is clueless and has a serious hard on for Parker.

Manu's foul was definitely a gut punch, but his big shots also gave them the lead late. So he gave us 3, then gave them 3 lol. Seemed to suck the energy out after they spent so much to get the lead.

[RiverwalkParade]

That call was junk. How many times in a basketball game does that call not get made? 99 out of 100. Manu is great. We are lucky to have him.

[RD2191]

Coming from a "fan" who would kick Leonard to the curb over Manu, that's high praise.

Crofl

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Ungrateful player fans. Argentinos narizones gotta stick together

I still love you TheGreatYacht

[coachmac87]

My sources said Manu signed a 50M endorsement deal with "Life Alert"

[ElNono]

My sources said Manu signed a 50M endorsement deal with "Life Alert"

correct

[E20]

Coming from a "fan" who would kick Leonard to the curb over Manu, that's high praise.

You're welcome, MORON

[buujness]

My sources said Manu signed a 50M endorsement deal with "Life Alert"Good move; Rogaine was only willing to go to 20M.

[gwidlon]

50M for 6 years is really cheap ...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You think another Manu is coming along? That's like a Celtic fan thinking the next Larry Bird is on the way. He's a once-in-a-lifetime player. That's what makes all these ST troll pathetic, calling for him to retire based on whatever piddly reason they've came up with.

I'm just playing it safe. Bill Simmons said it best. We'll have 10 more Wade's before we have another Ginobili.

[Chillen]

My sources said Manu signed a 50M endorsement deal with "Life Alert"

Stephen Curry just signed one to for 100M with "Life Alert" and supposedly he hits a 3 point shot from the bath tub after asking for assistance. Durant shows up to save him.

[DPG21920]

I was pretty confident Manu would be back - like I said, I for some reason get the feeling Manu needs the money or just wants more money and he's going to get as much as he can get.

He was a mediocre player last year overall, but I'm glad he's still around.

[BatManu20]

887715229307686912

[phxspurfan]

I hope he states it is his final season (if it is) so they can give him the Kobe sendoff treatment.

[DPG21920]

I hope he states it is his final season (if it is) so they can give him the Kobe sendoff treatment.

Tim didn't even get that lol.

[tonight...you]

Tim didn't even get that lol.
tbf, he wouldn't have wanted it, even if he knew.

[baseline bum]

I hope he states it is his final season (if it is) so they can give him the Kobe sendoff treatment.

I hope not, that shit was so cringe-worthy every night with Kobe. I don't think Manu cares to be such an attention whore.

[Phenomanul]

887715229307686912

The problem with the Spurs "winning" the whole enchilada next year (a fan can hope) is that we would likely lose a LeBron / Kawhi pairing going forward...

The Warriors will need to beat LeBron once more next season OR the Cavs need to fail to make it to the Finals next year and LeBron's departure from Cleveland is all but guaranteed.

Cause LeBron won't join the Spurs if he loses to them (he's not Durant).

[baseline bum]

The problem with the Spurs "winning" the whole enchilada next year (a fan can hope) is that we would likely lose a LeBron / Kawhi pairing going forward...

The Warriors will need to beat LeBron once more next season OR the Cavs need to fail to make it to the Finals next year and LeBron's departure from Cleveland is all but guaranteed.

Cause LeBron won't join the Spurs if he loses to them (he's not Durant).

I'll take a title over any free agent signing unless you could go back in time and bring in Prime DRob or Prime Duncan.

[tonight...you]

I'll take a title over any free agent signing unless you could go back in time and bring in Prime DRob or Prime Duncan.
God damned right.

[cutewizard]

Welcome back Manu

[Down Under]

I was pretty confident Manu would be back - like I said, I for some reason get the feeling Manu needs the money or just wants more money and he's going to get as much as he can get.

He was a mediocre player last year overall, but I'm glad he's still around.
He could just enjoy competing. And while you're at it, might as well get some gravy. I reckon this is a good option for both parties if he's playing 10-12mpg.

[BatManu20]

887665704660553730

[RD2191]

887665704660553730

Awesome, doesn't look a day over 70.

[BatManu20]

Awesome, doesn't look a day over 70.

:lol

[dbestpro]

He should be the starting PG until TP returns.

[ElNono]

He should be the starting PG.

fify

[south side spur]

I'll take a title over any free agent signing unless you could go back in time and bring in Prime DRob or Prime Duncan.

What about winning another title and a Capela recruitment and/or signing? Worst case scenario at least they drive the price up to put the Rockets in a bigger hole.

[TheGreatYacht]

Awesome, doesn't look a day over 70.
:lmao

[Ice009]

He should be the starting PG until TP returns.

Actually, yes. I would go with that.

[DMC]

Ungrateful player fans. Argentinos narizones gotta stick together

Like your asscheeks in the morning after you've been romped.

[apalisoc_9]

Awesome, doesn't look a day over 70.

:lol

[J_Paco]

What about winning another title and a Capela recruitment and/or signing? Worst case scenario at least they drive the price up to put the Rockets in a bigger hole.

Clint would be a great get with the gaping hole at center. I'm sure Houston would match any offers although the Spurs could hurt them long - term financially.

I'm happy Manu is coming back and Pop has the depth at SG/SF to not overplay him in the regular season.

[ElNono]

I was pretty confident Manu would be back - like I said, I for some reason get the feeling Manu needs the money or just wants more money and he's going to get as much as he can get.

He was a mediocre player last year overall, but I'm glad he's still around.

Why you keep trying to troll with that narrative about money? It's really ridiculous, tbh :lol

[spurs10]

Why you keep trying to troll with that narrative about money? It's really ridiculous, tbh :lol You know the money probably plays in there a bit, while I don't think he or his family will ever want for money. All the same, Manu just strikes me as a person who would recognize the opportunity, work hard, have a great time, take the income and use it well. He came from modest means relatively and see it as something to not take frivolously.

It's a business too, but you're his #%€ing manager so you know!

[ElNono]

You know the money probably plays in there a bit, while I don't think he or his family will ever want for money. All the same, Manu just strikes me as a person who would recognize the opportunity, work hard, have a great time, take the income and use it well. He came from modest means relatively and see it as something to not take frivolously.

It's a business too, but you're his #%€ing manager so you know!

As he just said, the Patty decision probably had more weight. Plus he's at a stage in his career where he doesn't have leverage on that anymore. Last year he at least had an offer from Philly, but that wasn't the case this year.

[SAGirl]

As he just said, the Patty decision probably had more weight. Plus he's at a stage in his career where he doesn't have leverage on that anymore. Last year he at least had an offer from Philly, but that wasn't the case this year.

I can legit tell you based on reading his essay that had Pop paid JSimms and let Patty test the market instead, he would have retired. He seemed that ambivalent. Like if he wasn't going to enjoy the group he was playing with he'd rather do something else with his life. Not a reference in a demeaning fashion to anyone but he mentioned the generational divide. He seemed more ambivalent than any of the other essays I have read from him.

[Phenomanul]

I'll take a title over any free agent signing unless you could go back in time and bring in Prime DRob or Prime Duncan.

Well... when you put it that way.... LOL

I'm just saying that THIS team will likely not get past the GSW. Whatever mental edge we had on them was obliterated by Zaza. It will take a superhuman effort from Kawhi and all-star production from Aldridge with high efficiency scoring from at least three other players to beat them. In the unlikely perfect storm scenario that this occurs my reservation from my previous comment holds even less weight... cause yeah, at that point it would be "championship or bust."

Spurs need to be contenders to even receive a look from LeBron's camp (for the 2018 FA LeBron Sweepstakes). Which I think they are.

Longterm though, the prospectus of having that Kawhi/LeBron pairing would be a formidable counter to any superteam out there. One that I think can be milked for at least two titles.

[140]

Why you keep trying to troll with that narrative about money? It's really ridiculous, tbh :lol
:lol porker fluffers

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The problem with the Spurs "winning" the whole enchilada next year (a fan can hope) is that we would likely lose a LeBron / Kawhi pairing going forward...

The Warriors will need to beat LeBron once more next season OR the Cavs need to fail to make it to the Finals next year and LeBron's departure from Cleveland is all but guaranteed.

Cause LeBron won't join the Spurs if he loses to them (he's not Durant).

That's idiotic. Who gives a flip about free agency? I'd happily take another title in 2018 and let the free agency chips fall where they may.

[DPG21920]

Why you keep trying to troll with that narrative about money? It's really ridiculous, tbh :lol

It's not ridiculous at all. He leveraged SA for a lot more money last year & stalled this year as well. It's not like he's doing the team favors, despite being 40, financially.

Just because a stupid team would offer him something dumb doesn't mean he is doing SA favors financially. Teams would offer Dirk a ton too but he doesn't leverage the Mavs that way. He takes less.

Manu is still leveraging as much money as he can and that is totally fine. But denying it is very odd tbh..

[DPG21920]

Like I said I bet everything he doesn't take the min. He waited until FA dried up and SA was down to few options. He knew they wouldn't force him on anything and once the options dried up he's now "back" and watch, it wont be for the min which is the player level he is now.

[Spurtacular]

I was pretty confident Manu would be back - like I said, I for some reason get the feeling Manu needs the money or just wants more money and he's going to get as much as he can get.

He was a mediocre player last year overall, but I'm glad he's still around.

I find this to be an interesting theory; but I have my doubts. I think Manu has a genuine love for the game and was always going to play for as long as he could be a contributor. And $4 mil for a season may not be much more than other avenues he might have started to explore, tbh. Though, it's certainly money in hand, which is nice.

[DPG21920]

I find this to be an interesting theory; but I have my doubts. I think Manu has a genuine love for the game and was always going to play for as long as he could be a contributor. And $4 mil for a season may not be much more than other avenues he might have started to explore, tbh. Though, it's certainly money in hand, which is nice.

Guys like Tim & Dirk continued/continue to take pay cuts. Manu used one stupid team in PHI to leverage SA last year. Im not at all shocked that Manu dragged this out as now guys like Hanga were off the table, etc..He now has leverage for more money from SA.

[Capt Bringdown]

Guys like Tim & Dirk continued/continue to take pay cuts. Manu used one stupid team in PHI to leverage SA last year. Im not at all shocked that Manu dragged this out as now guys like Hanga were off the table, etc..He now has leverage for more money from SA.

Exactly, if this was "a love for the game" move, he would have acted sooner. This was a shakedown/cash-grab move by Manu.
Manu = soon to be the world's oldest and highest paid human turnover machine.

[ElNono]

Like I said I bet everything he doesn't take the min. He waited until FA dried up and SA was down to few options. He knew they wouldn't force him on anything and once the options dried up he's now "back" and watch, it wont be for the min which is the player level he is now.

He already stated he wasn't looking for a team and that Pop already told him he wanted him before even leaving for vacations... really it isn't any more clear than coming from the horse's mouth, tbh...

[ElNono]

Guys like Tim & Dirk continued/continue to take pay cuts. Manu used one stupid team in PHI to leverage SA last year. Im not at all shocked that Manu dragged this out as now guys like Hanga were off the table, etc..He now has leverage for more money from SA.

Manu took paycuts multiple times, tbh... including the contract right before the one you mention, and the one you mention too (IIRC, Philly offered more money)...

That's why pushing the money narrative makes no sense... the only player of the big 3 that has always re-signed for the max allowed under the CBA is Tony Parker, actually...

No, the Spurs genuinely think it's money well spent.

[ElNono]

It's not ridiculous at all. He leveraged SA for a lot more money last year & stalled this year as well. It's not like he's doing the team favors, despite being 40, financially.

Just because a stupid team would offer him something dumb doesn't mean he is doing SA favors financially. Teams would offer Dirk a ton too but he doesn't leverage the Mavs that way. He takes less.

Manu is still leveraging as much money as he can and that is totally fine. But denying it is very odd tbh..

:lol Of course it's ridiculous. If he would be chasing the money, he would've gone to Philly... he took less to stay in SA... not to mention the contract before that one was a major discount, considering it included a championship with Manu on a major role...

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Manu made a few financial sacrifices along the way to stay with San Antonio and help keep the Spurs liquid. I don't blame him at all for getting paid last year. I'm glad he's back. His "1 good game in 4" is a lot more than we'll get out of the majority of next year's current roster. His mentoring and passion for the game will be a good example to the team.

[apalisoc_9]

Damn, at this point Its pretty clear Manu don't care about the team....

Not only is he going to steal attention away from KawhiMVP, he's also costing the spurs money.

Very unmaulike decision.

You know they say some people grpw stubborn as they age I guess.

[Phenomanul]

Damn, at this point Its pretty clear Manu don't care about the team....

Not only is he going to steal attention away from KawhiMVP, he's also costing the spurs money.

Very unmaulike decision.

You know they say some people grpw stubborn as they age I guess.

So what's your excuse?

Steal attention? Seriously??? :lmao Kawhi doesn't care about it.

[Down Under]

It's not ridiculous at all. He leveraged SA for a lot more money last year & stalled this year as well. It's not like he's doing the team favors, despite being 40, financially.

Just because a stupid team would offer him something dumb doesn't mean he is doing SA favors financially. Teams would offer Dirk a ton too but he doesn't leverage the Mavs that way. He takes less.

Manu is still leveraging as much money as he can and that is totally fine. But denying it is very odd tbh..
In fairness, Dirk has probably earned twice as much as Manu over his career. Plus Manu has played way above what his contract has paid several times (5 year deal at the end of '04 during his prime, 2 year deal the end of '13). As an 8th or 9th option, good on him. There's no way he's taking the min as you said.

[Spurtacular]

Guys like Tim & Dirk continued/continue to take pay cuts. Manu used one stupid team in PHI to leverage SA last year. Im not at all shocked that Manu dragged this out as now guys like Hanga were off the table, etc..He now has leverage for more money from SA.

Wasn't Manu a relative late sign all the same last year? And didn't the team pretty much have the money to pay him? I think he may have just been putting out a reminder to anyone concerned that he still had significant value. In the end, he still actually took less to play with the Spurs. And I figured it was understood that any generous payments were to make up for pay cuts he has taken in the past.

[Spurtacular]

Damn, at this point Its pretty clear Manu don't care about the team....

Not only is he going to steal attention away from KawhiMVP, he's also costing the spurs money.

Very unmaulike decision.

You know they say some people grpw stubborn as they age I guess.

:idiot

Today's player fan.

[apalisoc_9]

:idiot

Today's player fan.

These are the kind of posters that is allied with the Argentinians..

Sad Day for Manu Argentina fans.

[DPG21920]

I don't know why Nono is all defensive :lol. Him taking money doesn't make him a bad person. I'm just stating what he's doing and it's pretty obvious, despite what he says, that money is playing a pretty big role in his decisions. He's trying to set his family up for life as much as he can.

There is no need to defend it.

[DPG21920]

He already stated he wasn't looking for a team and that Pop already told him he wanted him before even leaving for vacations... really it isn't any more clear than coming from the horse's mouth, tbh...

Exactly. He doesn't have to be looking for a team to leverage SA. As FA dry up (guys like Hanga couldn't wait for Manu any more) he know SA would pay him more money because Pop really wanted him back.

He drug this out on purpose. I highly doubt the extra 12 days or so was the deciding factor. Now SA, since they have his bird rights and no other FA, they can sign him to more money because it doesn't matter to SA now.

[DPG21920]

Manu took paycuts multiple times, tbh... including the contract right before the one you mention, and the one you mention too (IIRC, Philly offered more money)...

That's why pushing the money narrative makes no sense... the only player of the big 3 that has always re-signed for the max allowed under the CBA is Tony Parker, actually...

No, the Spurs genuinely think it's money well spent.

:lol I knew you would bring up Philly and I already addressed it. One stupid team offering stupid money (SA was only offering 5M because that is where they valued him) and Manu turning it down does not mean he took a pay cut.

He clearly used PHI to leverage SA into 3x the money they offered even though we all knew Manu wanted to stay. He used his leverage wisely since he got one team to offer something stupid.

[Spurtacular]

These are the kind of posters that is allied with the Argentinians..

Sad Day for Manu Argentina fans.

If you were a real Spurs fan you'd get it.

[DPG21920]

In fairness, Dirk has probably earned twice as much as Manu over his career. Plus Manu has played way above what his contract has paid several times (5 year deal at the end of '04 during his prime, 2 year deal the end of '13). As an 8th or 9th option, good on him. There's no way he's taking the min as you said.

I'm not blaming Manu. I don't know why people are defensive about it. I think exactly what you said is accurate. Manu is trying to make as much money as he can now since he gave up some earlier in his career.

It's stating a pretty clear fact that money is an obvious motivator here but argies getting all bent out of shape and defending it like it's bad.

[Spurtacular]

:lol I knew you would bring up Philly and I already addressed it. One stupid team offering stupid money (SA was only offering 5M because that is where they valued him) and Manu turning it down does not mean he took a pay cut.

He clearly used PHI to leverage SA into 3x the money they offered even though we all knew Manu wanted to stay. He used his leverage wisely since he got one team to offer something stupid.

But is he staying for the money or trying to get his equity? Because he still would've made $4 mil more to go to Philly. And they would have resigned him for more presumably.

[DPG21920]

But is he staying for the money or trying to get his equity? Because he still would've made $4 mil more to go to Philly. And they would have resigned him for more presumably.

It's pretty clear that you can both 1) want to play for SA & 2) try to get as much money in that situation as possible.

SA offered 5M. Manu wasn't leaving but money was important so he leveraged the PHI offer to get SA to play 3x more.

[spurraider21]

manu ginobili is the first athlete ever to take some time in deciding his future at 40+ years old

[spurraider21]

It's pretty clear that you can both 1) want to play for SA & 2) try to get as much money in that situation as possible.

SA offered 5M. Manu wasn't leaving but money was important so he leveraged the PHI offer to get SA to play 3x more.
the spurs cap situation wasn't affected either way. it was to their discretion. considering the previous contract he took when the team needed the cap space the most, it's really not a big deal

people threw a fit when he signed for 2/14 after the '13 finals, and he ended up being more than worth it. the following year he took the room exception to allow the spurs to land LMA

[DPG21920]

the spurs cap situation wasn't affected either way. it was to their discretion. considering the previous contract he took when the team needed the cap space the most, it's really not a big deal

people threw a fit when he signed for 2/14 after the '13 finals, and he ended up being more than worth it. the following year he took the room exception to allow the spurs to land LMA

Ok. I'm not blaming him. I'm simply stating the obvious here.

[DPG21920]

the spurs cap situation wasn't affected either way. it was to their discretion. considering the previous contract he took when the team needed the cap space the most, it's really not a big deal

people threw a fit when he signed for 2/14 after the '13 finals, and he ended up being more than worth it. the following year he took the room exception to allow the spurs to land LMA

And also, his money matters this year for many reasons. One, it might mean Pau gets 2 years vs 1 which is huge. Also the more he takes the less wiggle room SA has for moves in season since they are hard capped.

[Spurtacular]

It's pretty clear that you can both 1) want to play for SA & 2) try to get as much money in that situation as possible.

SA offered 5M. Manu wasn't leaving but money was important so he leveraged the PHI offer to get SA to play 3x more.

Agreed. But the argument was that he was coming back for the money. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had came back for one or two mil, since he loves to play. Are vets even able to make that low, nowadays? As it is, he's coming back for an unimpressive sum by today's standards.

As it is, I think "the big three" when they took pay cuts, they did it with the understanding that if they could be paid more down the line, PATFO would make it happen.

[ElNono]

I don't know why Nono is all defensive :lol. Him taking money doesn't make him a bad person. I'm just stating what he's doing and it's pretty obvious, despite what he says, that money is playing a pretty big role in his decisions. He's trying to set his family up for life as much as he can.

There is no need to defend it.


Exactly. He doesn't have to be looking for a team to leverage SA. As FA dry up (guys like Hanga couldn't wait for Manu any more) he know SA would pay him more money because Pop really wanted him back.

He drug this out on purpose. I highly doubt the extra 12 days or so was the deciding factor. Now SA, since they have his bird rights and no other FA, they can sign him to more money because it doesn't matter to SA now.


:lol I knew you would bring up Philly and I already addressed it. One stupid team offering stupid money (SA was only offering 5M because that is where they valued him) and Manu turning it down does not mean he took a pay cut.

He clearly used PHI to leverage SA into 3x the money they offered even though we all knew Manu wanted to stay. He used his leverage wisely since he got one team to offer something stupid.

:lol son, you get an B- for the trolling effort, but nobody is buying it...

Plus, if he left money on the table, whether the other team is stupid or not, it doesn't matter. The market sets the price, and Manu effectively left money on the table on that deal to stay in San Antonio... you can try to :downspin: that shit all you want to try to keep peddling that silly narrative, but it's ridiculous...

tbh, considering no Argie took the bait (yet), you get TS of 12...

[ElNono]

Exactly. He doesn't have to be looking for a team to leverage SA. As FA dry up (guys like Hanga couldn't wait for Manu any more) he know SA would pay him more money because Pop really wanted him back.

He drug this out on purpose. I highly doubt the extra 12 days or so was the deciding factor. Now SA, since they have his bird rights and no other FA, they can sign him to more money because it doesn't matter to SA now.

Hanga didn't need to wait for Manu, tbh... that's why what you're saying make no sense. The Spurs does have Manu's bird rights, they could've signed him for whatever amount once over the cap..

:lol again, you need to think this trolling stuff a little more, tbh, at least make a cogent argument... it's ok, I'll point it out, you'll get ready for the season.

Look at apa, he went for the full Manu hater this season, he's not trying to drop subtles or anything...

[apalisoc_9]

Yup.

Not to mention Manu waiting this long just points to him trying to squeeze as much moey as possible from San antonio.

Dissapointing that my favourite spur of all time has stooped this low. Sad.

[ElNono]

Yup.

Not to mention Manu waiting this long just points to him trying to squeeze as much moey as possible from San antonio.

Dissapointing that my favourite spur of all time has stooped this low. Sad.

:lol this is what I'm talking about... drop a line how he's trying to undermine Kawhi too, tbh

[spurs10]

As he just said, the Patty decision probably had more weight. Plus he's at a stage in his career where he doesn't have leverage on that anymore. Last year he at least had an offer from Philly, but that wasn't the case this year. I certainly agree that his desire to play and help the team, as well as Patty returning, completely trump the money. Was just saying he will get paid as he should. Last year he couldn't help Philly throwing all that money at him.

[ElNono]

I certainly agree that his desire to play and help the team, as well as Patty returning, completely trump the money. Was just saying he will get paid as he should. Last year he couldn't help Philly throwing all that money at him.

Exactly, he also appreciates being on a winning franchise like the Spurs, obviously. If he wanted to max out on money, he would be playing for the Sixers now...

[dabom]

Hanga didn't need to wait for Manu, tbh... that's why what you're saying make no sense. The Spurs does have Manu's bird rights, they could've signed him for whatever amount once over the cap..

:lol again, you need to think this trolling stuff a little more, tbh, at least make a cogent argument... it's ok, I'll point it out, you'll get ready for the season.

Look at apa, he went for the full Manu hater this season, he's not trying to drop subtles or anything...

:lol

[DPG21920]

Hanga didn't need to wait for Manu, tbh... that's why what you're saying make no sense. The Spurs does have Manu's bird rights, they could've signed him for whatever amount once over the cap..

:lol again, you need to think this trolling stuff a little more, tbh, at least make a cogent argument... it's ok, I'll point it out, you'll get ready for the season.

Look at apa, he went for the full Manu hater this season, he's not trying to drop subtles or anything...

Umm, yes Hanga absolutely had to wait for Manu. It was already said that Hanga was not coming over unless Manu retired. Had nothing to do with the money (although Hanga coming over would have meant less money for Manu due to the hard cap).

And I think you need to brush up on your CBA - would probably cause you to understand this stuff better and not get so defensive.

Besides being wrong about Hanga (it was already reported about the Manu thing), SA is hard capped. They had to sign Pau too. They cannot just pay Manu whatever they want because they have his bird rights. Manu wanting as much money as possible from SA is a big deal in the context I described (the hard cap).

[DPG21920]

Exactly, he also appreciates being on a winning franchise like the Spurs, obviously. If he wanted to max out on money, he would be playing for the Sixers now...

:lol Talk about making no sense. So because Manu didn't go to PHI for more money means he didn't leverage PHI offer to get SA to offer him 3x the money they did? Manu wasn't going to PHI and knew SA would not let that happen. But he did everything he could (rightfully so) to get max money from the ONE TEAM he wanted to play for.

[DPG21920]

You notice how pretty much everyone that is not an Argie is basically seeing the logic in what I'm saying. I'm not trolling and I don't care if any Argies are biting (despite the fact you are an Argie and seem to have bitten :lol)

[dabom]

You notice how pretty much everyone that is not an Argie is basically seeing the logic in what I'm saying. I'm not trolling and I don't care if any Argies are biting (despite the fact you are an Argie and seem to have bitten :lol)

I'm not Argie and ElNono makes total sense. Manu has been taking paycuts most of his career. Are you arguing against that? :lol :lol

[DPG21920]

I'm not Argie and ElNono makes total sense. Manu has been taking paycuts most of his career. Are you arguing against that? :lol :lol

No - where did I say that? I have said multiple times that because he took pay cuts he's looking to make that up as much as possible. It actually bolsters my point.

And again, I'm not saying he's doing anything wrong.

Plus - you're sort of the village idiot (no offense, you are a good hearted person)

[dabom]

No - where did I say that? I have said multiple times that because he took pay cuts he's looking to make that up as much as possible. It actually bolsters my point.

And again, I'm not saying he's doing anything wrong.

Plus - you're sort of the village idiot (no offense, you are a good hearted person)

I'm like 95% always right about Spurs related topics. :lol

[Down Under]

Umm, yes Hanga absolutely had to wait for Manu. It was already said that Hanga was not coming over unless Manu retired. Had nothing to do with the money (although Hanga coming over would have meant less money for Manu due to the hard cap).

And I think you need to brush up on your CBA - would probably cause you to understand this stuff better and not get so defensive.

Besides being wrong about Hanga (it was already reported about the Manu thing), SA is hard capped. They had to sign Pau too. They cannot just pay Manu whatever they want because they have his bird rights. Manu wanting as much money as possible from SA is a big deal in the context I described (the hard cap).
This is disappointing if true, even if Hanga hasn't proven he can shoot as a wing despite being a Pro for 12 years. So they're hard capped at $125 million because they signed Gay to the Full MLE?

[DPG21920]

I'm like 95% always right about Spurs related topics. :lol

One of the best - I agree

[dabom]

One of the best - I agree

Thanks brah. :tu

[DPG21920]

This is disappointing if true, even if Hanga hasn't proven he can shoot as a wing despite being a Pro for 12 years. So they're hard capped at $125 million because they signed Gay to the Full MLE?

Exactly right. From the reports about Hanga, he wanted playing time if he was going to come over because it likely meant taking less money to do so.

By Manu dragging this out, it eliminated Hanga from the equation even if there were a chance he would have come over with Manu coming back. He couldn't wait any longer because he has offers in Europe.

If Hanga would have come over that would directly have impacted the amount of money SA could have paid Manu (which if you are trying to max the money you can get, eliminating people like Hanga is a way to do it).

I find if very, very hard to believe that Manu had all this time off to decide and that he truly needed from July 1st - 15th to make his "final decision". That makes zero sense to me.

[ElNono]

Umm, yes Hanga absolutely had to wait for Manu. It was already said that Hanga was not coming over unless Manu retired. Had nothing to do with the money (although Hanga coming over would have meant less money for Manu due to the hard cap).

And I think you need to brush up on your CBA - would probably cause you to understand this stuff better and not get so defensive.

Besides being wrong about Hanga (it was already reported about the Manu thing), SA is hard capped. They had to sign Pau too. They cannot just pay Manu whatever they want because they have his bird rights. Manu wanting as much money as possible from SA is a big deal in the context I described (the hard cap).

:lol @ "it was already said"... link? If Hanga didn't come over, that's Hanga's problem. Manu delaying his decision or not had no bearing on the Spurs bringing Hanga.

My CBA knowledge is perfectly fine, tbh, the Spurs had the money to pay Hanga and Manu if they so desired.


:lol Talk about making no sense. So because Manu didn't go to PHI for more money means he didn't leverage PHI offer to get SA to offer him 3x the money they did? Manu wasn't going to PHI and knew SA would not let that happen. But he did everything he could (rightfully so) to get max money from the ONE TEAM he wanted to play for.

Manu had the opportunity to go to Philly and play for more money but didn't do it, that means Manu took a paycut to stay with the Spurs. It's pretty simple actually. If you need drawings to explain, let dabom know, tbh...


You notice how pretty much everyone that is not an Argie is basically seeing the logic in what I'm saying. I'm not trolling and I don't care if any Argies are biting (despite the fact you are an Argie and seem to have bitten :lol)

Except they're not. Two people so far, three? :lol

You should drop that schtick, it's embarrassing. You can ask apa tips on playing the Manu hater, tbh, he's doing it right...

[Down Under]

Exactly right. From the reports about Hanga, he wanted playing time if he was going to come over because it likely meant taking less money to do so.

By Manu dragging this out, it eliminated Hanga from the equation even if there were a chance he would have come over with Manu coming back. He couldn't wait any longer because he has offers in Europe.

If Hanga would have come over that would directly have impacted the amount of money SA could have paid Manu (which if you are trying to max the money you can get, eliminating people like Hanga is a way to do it).

I find if very, very hard to believe that Manu had all this time off to decide and that he truly needed from July 1st - 15th to make his "final decision". That makes zero sense to me.
Well I think Manu would have been willing to sacrifice minutes as he's shown he's that kind of teammate/person (ie play 10mpg). So if Hanga were to be paid the same as Baskonia are paying him ($3M USD/year) plus a bit more for tax differences, let's say the Spurs paid him $3.5M per year, how much does that leave the Spurs under the hard cap to give to Manu (assuming Lauvergne is getting paid bugger all)?

[ElNono]

Well I think Manu would have been willing to sacrifice minutes as he's shown he's that kind of teammate/person (ie play 10mpg). So if Hanga were to be paid the same as Baskonia are paying him ($3M USD/year) plus a bit more for tax differences, let's say the Spurs paid him $3.5M per year, how much does that leave the Spurs under the hard cap to give to Manu?

It's not a money issue. It's a Hanga issue. The Spurs have a limit on how much they can pay Euro imports, and makes sense Hanga going for the money in Europe.

EDIT: Hanga, on the other hand, it's at the Spurs mercy if he ever wants to play in the NBA

[Spurtacular]

Yup.

Not to mention Manu waiting this long just points to him trying to squeeze as much moey as possible from San antonio.

Dissapointing that my favourite spur of all time has stooped this low. Sad.

:lmao Favorite Spur of all-time

Do you ever STFU?

[Seventyniner]

Manu took paycuts multiple times, tbh... including the contract right before the one you mention, and the one you mention too (IIRC, Philly offered more money)...

That's why pushing the money narrative makes no sense... the only player of the big 3 that has always re-signed for the max allowed under the CBA is Tony Parker, actually...

No, the Spurs genuinely think it's money well spent.

This is false btw, Parker has never been paid CBA max. Neither has Manu.

[Seventyniner]

It's not a money issue. It's a Hanga issue. The Spurs have a limit on how much they can pay Euro imports, and makes sense Hanga going for the money in Europe.

The limit is due to the Spurs being over the cap, not the fact that Hanga is in Europe. If the Spurs had the desire and the cap space they could max Hanga out. Being over the cap and using the MLE on Gay meant that they couldn't offer more than the LLE, and he'll get more than that in Europe. You might be thinking of the limit on how much of his buyout the Spurs can pay.

Money isn't the only reason that perhaps Manu didn't want to come back if Hanga was on the team: they would also be competing for minutes. I think that's reinforced by Manu's quote about being less likely to come back if Simmons had stayed and Patty left. Manu and Patty have complementary skillsets and play different positions, while Manu and Simmons had much more similar roles.

[Chinook]

This is false btw, Parker has never been paid CBA max. Neither has Manu.

It depends on what you mean. Manu and Tony both got max extensions in their careers. Tony's current deal was a max when he signed it, and Manu's deal in 2010 was the same. They have not gotten the free-agent max, but they have taken the most they could.

Nono is very wrong about his assessment of Parker, though. Tony's extension in 2011 actually saw a drop in his base salary. Dude was making several million less in his prime than he could have on a max extension.

[Seventyniner]

It depends on what you mean. Manu and Tony both got max extensions in their careers. Tony's current deal was a max when he signed it, and Manu's deal in 2010 was the same. They have not gotten the free-agent max, but they have taken the most they could.

Nono is very wrong about his assessment of Parker, though. Tony's extension in 2011 actually saw a drop in his base salary. Dude was making several million less in his prime than he could have on a max extension.

Good catch. All I did was compare their salaries to the league max, I didn't take extensions into account. I forgot the rules for those were different.

[DPG21920]

It's not a money issue. It's a Hanga issue. The Spurs have a limit on how much they can pay Euro imports, and makes sense Hanga going for the money in Europe.

EDIT: Hanga, on the other hand, it's at the Spurs mercy if he ever wants to play in the NBA

You are wrong here and look really defensive tbh.. the classic defensive technique is to say someone is trolling to cast some sort of illegitimacy to what they are saying.

You aren't making any sense.

[DPG21920]

It depends on what you mean. Manu and Tony both got max extensions in their careers. Tony's current deal was a max when he signed it, and Manu's deal in 2010 was the same. They have not gotten the free-agent max, but they have taken the most they could.

Nono is very wrong about his assessment of Parker, though. Tony's extension in 2011 actually saw a drop in his base salary. Dude was making several million less in his prime than he could have on a max extension.

He's wrong on a lot of things because he's in super deflection mode for Manu with his cape on for no reason. There is nothing wrong with what I said nor that Manu is doing that.

[DPG21920]

Also, I dont know why Nono is painting me as a Manu hater. I love Manu and always have. I'm not APO and not trying to be a Manu hater.

[DPG21920]

Well I think Manu would have been willing to sacrifice minutes as he's shown he's that kind of teammate/person (ie play 10mpg). So if Hanga were to be paid the same as Baskonia are paying him ($3M USD/year) plus a bit more for tax differences, let's say the Spurs paid him $3.5M per year, how much does that leave the Spurs under the hard cap to give to Manu (assuming Lauvergne is getting paid bugger all)?

Spurs have about 25M or so I believe (don't quote me, haven't looked up the number in a while) to split between Manu & Pau. Don't forget about Pau. He has to fit into that money to and have to assume that 16M+ is going to him if he signs a 1-year deal. If SA would have signed Hanga, that is literally less money to Manu (assuming Pau doesn't sacrifice money or get a longer deal at lesser money).

So maybe something like the difference in 9M to Manu vs 6M if Hanga signed. Let's say SA doesn't want to sign Pau into next year for cap space reasons and they give a thank you to Pau for giving them flexibity. So instead of the 16M he was slated to make they give him 20M. That would be 5M to Manu.

If Hanga was here for the LLE, that eats into that 5M for Manu directly. Manu had plenty of reasons to drag this out until Hanga announced he couldn't wait any longer and signed in Europe again.

[DPG21920]

It's not a money issue. It's a Hanga issue. The Spurs have a limit on how much they can pay Euro imports, and makes sense Hanga going for the money in Europe.

EDIT: Hanga, on the other hand, it's at the Spurs mercy if he ever wants to play in the NBA

Why do you think Hanga waited so long to take his offer in Europe? Are you really saying (before I do work to appease you) that you didn't see any of the articles with regards to the Hanga situation and Manu? Really?

[Capt Bringdown]

Also, I dont know why Nono is painting me as a Manu hater. I love Manu and always have. I'm not APO and not trying to be a Manu hater.

The hater label is also a defense mechanism, aka ad hominem. There's also projection, as in taking one's own emotional attachment and projecting onto others.
Spur fans/Manu fans, never the twain shall meet.

[Phenomanul]

Also, I dont know why Nono is painting me as a Manu hater. I love Manu and always have. I'm not APO and not trying to be a Manu hater.

Because taking a dig at a player and surmising that it's primarily about the money (given Manu's contract history) is downright disrespectful to Manu. A factor, possibly? But to suggest that he was trying to string the franchise along at the detriment of the strengthening of the team is completely opposite of what he has done his entire career. Of the big three, Manu is the one that has sacrificed the most (starting role, minutes, money, reputation, all-star berths, etc...).

[Phenomanul]

To me... it is Pau who makes his decisions based on money - and his effort on the court only makes it worse. Manu still gives his ALL when on the court. Pau should have been a Spur when left LA for Chicago - MONEY was the factor. He became a Spur two years too late.

[DPG21920]

Because taking a dig at a player and surmising that it's primarily about the money (given Manu's contract history) is downright disrespectful to Manu. A factor, possibly? But to suggest that he was trying to string the franchise along at the detriment of the strengthening of the team is completely opposite of what he has done his entire career. Of the big three, Manu is the one that has sacrificed the most (starting role, minutes, money, reputation, all-star berths, etc...).

There is no question, even with SA's executives saying they wish they knew Manu's decision, that he did draw this out. Do you, as a rational human, really think that with all the time he had to think about this that he really needed that extra 12 days to truly decide once FA kicked off?

Sure, it's possible that he was just agonizing over it, but seems really doubtful to me.

Im not taking a dig at him either. Saying that money is a major factor, as evidence by him going to PHI last year and leveraging them into 3 TIMES the money SA offered I would think bolsters my point.

I absolutely think he know about Hanga's situation and by dragging it out it cost the team Hanga. I also think that SA is fine with that because Manu is a Spurs legend and he comes WELL before any player like Hanga.

[DPG21920]

To me... it is Pau who makes his decisions based on money - and his effort on the court only makes it worse. Manu still gives his ALL when on the court. Pau should have been a Spur when left LA for Chicago - MONEY was the factor. He became a Spur two years too late.

:lol I don't see how you can "defend" Manu (not there should be any defending - he's doing nothing wrong) but then paint Pau as greedy when he opted out of 16M totally unexpectedly to give the Spurs max flexibility while not even taking any FA meetings and he's only been on the team one year :lol

[DPG21920]

Because taking a dig at a player and surmising that it's primarily about the money (given Manu's contract history) is downright disrespectful to Manu. A factor, possibly? But to suggest that he was trying to string the franchise along at the detriment of the strengthening of the team is completely opposite of what he has done his entire career. Of the big three, Manu is the one that has sacrificed the most (starting role, minutes, money, reputation, all-star berths, etc...).

Also, what? Tim sacrificed plenty. Any people pointing to his old contracts (when he's made plenty of money like TP) are precisely why he's making up for the money now. I don't understand why people view that as a knock on Manu or fail to see this.

[140]

Also, I dont know why Nono is painting me as a Manu hater. I love Manu and always have. I'm not APO and not trying to be a Manu hater.
:lmao

[Phenomanul]

Also, what? Tim sacrificed plenty. Any people pointing to his old contracts (when he's made plenty of money like TP) are precisely why he's making up for the money now. I don't understand why people view that as a knock on Manu or fail to see this.

Tim was the face of the franchise. Apples to oranges.

Also, the deflection is unnecessary because I'm not trying to convince anyone that Tim or Parker made their decisions based on money. It's a red herring.

[Phenomanul]

:lol I don't see how you can "defend" Manu (not there should be any defending - he's doing nothing wrong) but then paint Pau as greedy when he opted out of 16M totally unexpectedly to give the Spurs max flexibility while not even taking any FA meetings and he's only been on the team one year :lol

Of course we can paint him as greedy. Because he chose Chicago over San Antonio in his previous contract. San Antonio was a contender... Chicago was not.

Him opting out likely means he will get more years to his next contract. I doubt he loses any of the money.

[DPG21920]

Of course we can paint him as greedy. Because he chose Chicago over San Antonio in his previous contract. San Antonio was a contender... Chicago was not.

Him opting out likely means he will get more years to his next contract. I doubt he loses any of the money.

Lol - he took no other team meetings, relied on the good faith of the Spurs and made sure that if he had to take a pay cut for SA landing CP3 he could have. Just ridiculous to not acknowledge Manu leveraging PHI to get 3x more money from SA but point the finger at Pau.

[DPG21920]

Tim was the face of the franchise. Apples to oranges.

Also, the deflection is unnecessary because I'm not trying to convince anyone that Tim or Parker made their decisions based on money. It's a red herring.

And I never once said Manu only considered the money. I said even last year that money is playing a big role in his decisions as he's seemingly trying to recoup "lost" money from previous contracts and that appears to be important to him.

[Phenomanul]

Lol - he took no other team meetings, relied on the good faith of the Spurs and made sure that if he had to take a pay cut for SA landing CP3 he could have. Just ridiculous to not acknowledge Manu leveraging PHI to get 3x more money from SA but point the finger at Pau.
I can point the finger at Pau because he constantly loafs on effort on the court. Manu doesn't. I equate effort with professionalism.

[dabom]

I swear 140 is a legit candidate for Rookie Poster of the Year.

The guy is always on the correct side of takes. :wow

[DPG21920]

I can point the finger at Pau because he constantly loafs on effort on the court. Manu doesn't. I equate effort with professionalism.

What does that at all have to do with what you said? Has nothing to do with money.

[ElNono]

This is false btw, Parker has never been paid CBA max. Neither has Manu.

That's actually not false. Tony has always signed extensions for the max allowed under the CBA. That doesn't mean a max UFA contract, but the max money he could get with an extension.

[spurraider21]

TP's most recent extension was a 3 year max, for instance

[ElNono]

It depends on what you mean. Manu and Tony both got max extensions in their careers. Tony's current deal was a max when he signed it, and Manu's deal in 2010 was the same. They have not gotten the free-agent max, but they have taken the most they could.

Nono is very wrong about his assessment of Parker, though. Tony's extension in 2011 actually saw a drop in his base salary. Dude was making several million less in his prime than he could have on a max extension.

IIRC, all the extensions Tony signed were for the max extension money he could get under the CBA. That's why I said he's the only one of the big 3 that didn't give a discount. Manu and Tim did (signed extensions for less than the max extension allowed under the CBA)

[ElNono]

Why do you think Hanga waited so long to take his offer in Europe? Are you really saying (before I do work to appease you) that you didn't see any of the articles with regards to the Hanga situation and Manu? Really?

I can't speak for Hanga, neither can you. The Spurs certainly had the money to pay him if he wanted to come over. He signed somewhere else, that's all we know.

[DPG21920]

I can't speak for Hanga, neither can you. The Spurs certainly had the money to pay him if he wanted to come over. He signed somewhere else, that's all we know.

I'm not speaking for Hanga :lol. Multiple reports stated exactly what I said.

[ElNono]

Also, I dont know why Nono is painting me as a Manu hater. I love Manu and always have. I'm not APO and not trying to be a Manu hater.

I don't think you're a Manu hater, you're just pushing really hard this trolling narrative that Manu was going for the money and never gave the team discounts, when both are patently false, as I've already pointed out.

It's really amateur stuff, tbh...

[ElNono]

I'm not speaking for Hanga :lol. Multiple reports stated exactly what I said.

Do you have any quotes from Hanga on the matter, on those 'reports'? :lol

[DPG21920]

I don't think you're a Manu hater, you're just pushing really hard this trolling narrative that Manu was going for the money and never gave the team discounts, when both are patently false, as I've already pointed out.

It's really amateur stuff, tbh...

What? This is where you getting defensive is crazy. I literally said in nearly every post that Manu is taking money because he took discounts before. WTF?

[DPG21920]

Do you have any quotes from Hanga on the matter, on those 'reports'? :lol

So if Woj reports things and they happen, that doesn't matter because the player isn't on the record?

[ElNono]

So if Woj reports things and they happen, that doesn't matter because the player isn't on the record?

What did Woj report on Hanga not coming over because of Manu coming back? That's the narrative you've been advancing...

Hanga had 1000 reasons to come over or not. Money, playing time, role... you're saying it's because of Manu delaying his decision, I don't see any evidence of that. If you have it, link it, the burden of proof is on you...

[spurraider21]

What did Woj report on Hanga not coming over because of Manu coming back? That's the narrative you've been advancing...

Hanga had 1000 reasons to come over or not. Money, playing time, role... you're saying it's because of Manu delaying his decision, I don't see any evidence of that. If you have it, link it, the burden of proof is on you...
:lol relying on MSM

connect the dots bro...

[ElNono]

What? This is where you getting defensive is crazy. I literally said in nearly every post that Manu is taking money because he took discounts before. WTF?

Dude, don't get mad I've ruined this schtick you've been working on over the summer. It's really weak anyways, you can thank me later, tbh... :lol

[ElNono]

:lol relying on MSM

connect the dots bro...

:lol starting to sound like TSA.... Hanga had pizza when making his decision, hmmm

[apalisoc_9]

Love manu, but it was pretty clear the spurs struggled to freely mpve on free agency because manu was waiting for a leverage offer.

It's ok. Manu has kids to feed..no one should be mad at him for being selfish. We're all selfish to an extent.

Not sure why thats so hard tp admit.

The more worrying news is that Manu doesn't care about winning anymore. He said its about experience now. Sucks for Kawhi..but it is what it is.

[DPG21920]

What did Woj report on Hanga not coming over because of Manu coming back? That's the narrative you've been advancing...

Hanga had 1000 reasons to come over or not. Money, playing time, role... you're saying it's because of Manu delaying his decision, I don't see any evidence of that. If you have it, link it, the burden of proof is on you...

It was not Woj - I was making a point. That if a player doesn't say it, does not mean it's true. There are plenty of credible reports out on many topics that don't require a player saying something on the record.

You trying to play semantics and say "Did Hanga get a lie detector test and say on camera all of this"? It's ridiculous

[DPG21920]

Dude, don't get mad I've ruined this schtick you've been working on over the summer. It's really weak anyways, you can thank me later, tbh... :lol

You haven't ruined anything. In fact I see more people agreeing with me than you & I also see multiple people calling you out on you being wrong on your CBA knowledge lol.

You're a great poster though.

[apalisoc_9]

Nono is using the troll argument cause he knows its true.:lol

I don't understand why Argentinos can't accept the fact that for once Manu made an incredibly selfish decision. People do it all the time. No big deal.

[ElNono]

You haven't ruined anything. In fact I see more people agreeing with me than you & I also see multiple people calling you out on you being wrong on your CBA knowledge lol.

You're a great poster though.

I've been correct throughout this thread. 10 out of 10 so far...

You're also my guy, that's why I'm pointing this weak stuff out, tbh... didn't mean to mention Tony never gave a discount, BTW, but had to be done once you brought it up...

[ElNono]

Nono is using the troll argument cause he knows its true.:lol

I don't understand why Argentinos can't accept the fact that for once Manu made an incredibly selfish decision. People do it all the time. No big deal.

I would've loved if he took the money and went to Philly, tbh... closer drive for me...

[SAGirl]

He's wrong on a lot of things because he's in super deflection mode for Manu with his cape on for no reason. There is nothing wrong with what I said nor that Manu is doing that.

As I have learned the expression for that in Spurstalk is semen shielding... to the 10th degree at least. :lol

[tonight...you]

As I have learned the expression for that in Spurstalk is semen shielding... to the 10th degree at least. :lol
Like Manu has taken cap space against the team at any time in his career that would have jeopardized gaining a player...
Even his 14 last year was a throwaway dollar amount, upon the cap.

He has never put the team on blast with his demands. Ever.

[SAGirl]

Manu had plenty of reasons to drag this out until Hanga announced he couldn't wait any longer and signed in Europe again.

Appreciate all the cap discussion but I think it's simple. He wanted to come back but truly this season had more doubts than the one before. Retirement is near and he's at the point where the situation has to be likeable, that is with players he likes: Patty and the old Pau who is in his generation... vs a bunch of youngsters that call him grandpa but he can't click with and wouldn't hang out with since they have so little in common... nothing personal. Then, on top of that, he was going to see if money wise it was worth it. No way is he coming back on a vet. min deal etc. He's old, it's a ton of work to stay in shape and ready at his age, and he's mentally ready to retire if the situation and money are not appealing... some might say a bit checked out of caring about results at this point.. not like before. So the situation has to be fun for him and the money has to be worth it. Simple. No need to argue with Nono about what makes sense.

[dabom]

Manu could get a 15mil year deal right now, if he wanted too, but he knows the Spurs don't have that same luxury like last year. A lot of faggots per par tbh. :lol

[Seventyniner]

That's actually not false. Tony has always signed extensions for the max allowed under the CBA. That doesn't mean a max UFA contract, but the max money he could get with an extension.

His extension signed in 2011 (taking effect in 2012) wasn't the max because his base salary went down, as Chinook pointed out. I believe a max extension would have started at $14.175M, which is 105% of $13.5M.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html#all_all_salaries
(https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html#all_all_salaries)

[ElNono]

His extension signed in 2011 (taking effect in 2012) wasn't the max because his base salary went down, as Chinook pointed out. I believe a max extension would have started at $14.175M, which is 105% of $13.5M.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html#all_all_salaries
(https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html#all_all_salaries)

That's how the contract was structured though, the total value of the contract for all the years was the max allowed under the CBA for an extension (AFAIK). I suppose you could make the argument that he 'saved' the Spurs some cap money that year... which I think was what Chinook was pointing out.

[dabom]

Manu losing a ton of money to be with the Spurs. :lol

[ElNono]

Manu losing a ton of money to be with the Spurs. :lol

:lol people will complain though when he gifts 2-3 balls to the fans... meanwhile, when slomo trips over himself... "kid has a future"...
SAGirl

[SAGirl]

:lol people will complain though when he gifts 2-3 balls to the fans... meanwhile, when slomo trips over himself... "kid has a future"...
SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524)

buthurt alert!

[ElNono]

buthurt alert!

:lol

[dabom]

:lol people will complain though when he gifts 2-3 balls to the fans... meanwhile, when slomo trips over himself... "kid has a future"...
SAGirl (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49524)

:lmao

Gonna be 4 years with the spurs talking about "potential". :lmao

[Down Under]

Exactly right. From the reports about Hanga, he wanted playing time if he was going to come over because it likely meant taking less money to do so.

By Manu dragging this out, it eliminated Hanga from the equation even if there were a chance he would have come over with Manu coming back. He couldn't wait any longer because he has offers in Europe.

If Hanga would have come over that would directly have impacted the amount of money SA could have paid Manu (which if you are trying to max the money you can get, eliminating people like Hanga is a way to do it).

I find if very, very hard to believe that Manu had all this time off to decide and that he truly needed from July 1st - 15th to make his "final decision". That makes zero sense to me.
https://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/8/23/16194978/adam-hanga-believes-spurs-mishandled-contract-situation

Mite have been onto something here mate

[ElNono]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/8/23/16194978/adam-hanga-believes-spurs-mishandled-contract-situation

Mite have been onto something here mate

So what Hanga is saying is that the Spurs guaranteed him a contract and then reneged... there's nothing about Manu there. Obviously, the Spurs had plenty of time to sign Hanga...

He sounds like a little bitch that needs to get over himself, tbh... probably part of the reason the Spurs went in a different direction...

[BillMc]

While we're bumping this thread, has Manu actually signed? For what amount?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/8/23/16194978/adam-hanga-believes-spurs-mishandled-contract-situation

Mite have been onto something here mate

They might have promised him a min contract. He got the unexpected mega offer from Barcelona. The Spurs weren't giving him that much.

It was never Hanga or Manu, it was Hanga or Rudy Gay.

[SAGirl]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/8/23/16194978/adam-hanga-believes-spurs-mishandled-contract-situation

Mite have been onto something here mate
Spurs mishandled both Hang and Simmons, though Simmons was polite and acknowledged the Spurs giving him an opportunity.

Hanga's camp had made public he was only coming over if Manu retired and it's reasonable to infer the promise on his contract might have been conditional on that, thus the statement he would only come over if Manu retired. IMO he wasn't going to accept a FA minimum deal when his own FA In Europe yielded better pay and minutes. This is an obvious inference. Recently some European prospects have been signed to better than minimum contracts too.

Ultimately Pop and RC decides on roster composition but they appeared to encourage him to come over this past season and then reneged on a contract offer. I believe the signing of Rudy Gay took both minutes and $ that could have either been Hanga's, Simmons, etc. So for the Spurs sake I hope Rudy pans out and is in good playable shape after that Achilles injury. Manu retiring would have all but guaranteed minutes from Rudy weren't going to be enough and amplify the need for wings with some defensive chops, which none of the rookies have as they are both guards, thus possibly making the signing of Hang a a better priority. Considering the Pau contract situation, Hanga was at least one of the possibilities considered.

[DAF86]

:lol Chinook thinking Hanga could have been had for cheap.

Either way, Spurs dodged a huge bullet with that guy. He sucks major ass.

[Chinook]

Hanga signed a deal averaging less than two million Euros a season. He made less than the LLE, even accounting for taxes. Money wasn't the issue with Hanga -- Pop wanting to keep Manu was.

[UZER]

Hanga signed a deal averaging less than two million Euros a season. He made less than the LLE, even accounting for taxes. Money wasn't the issue with Hanga -- Pop wanting to keep Manu was.

Pop is stubborn, and Manu is even more stubborn.

[Spurs Brazil]

Manu Ginobili has signed a two-year, $5 million deal to return to the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell The Vertical.

Ginobili, 40, returning to San Antonio on a fully guaranteed two-year deal.

[bklynspursfan]

900837461319929857

[Chinook]

Shit biscuits, Pop.

[peacemaker885]

Is the 5M total or 5M per?

[Dex]

Is the 5M total or 5M per?

Total. Just over the vet min for him ($2.33M). Guessing there is a player option in the 2nd year.

[TheGreatYacht]

Waste of money. That would've been better off going to the troops

[UZER]

900837461319929857

I told you he didn't say this was his last year!! He just said I'm coming back!

This guy has some serious stone :lol

Manu is never retiring. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Two years

In two years,

Kawhi is going to be playing with two 40 year olds Latinos, a 35 year old fat starter, a 37 year old Parker and a 33 year old who cant dribble.

:lmao

Go to LA kawhi

[TD 21]

Gay and Ginobili had nothing to do with Hanga. They're top 8 rotation players, something he was never going to be. It's Paul who took his spot.


Not shocked, considering there was some indication (forgot where) a while back that this would be a 2 year contract. Still, it's strange not only for the fact that he's 40, but has repeatedly said since '14 that he'll take it a year at a time, yet 3 years later he's not only still playing, but signing a 2 year contract. Given that they could have paid him up to $11M for 1, it seems unlikely that he doesn't play it out.

They likely had an inkling of his intention going into the off season, which only makes the roster imbalance all the more bizarre. Now, should he prove ready, they lack a natural rotation spot for Murray for 2 years and White is buried. Even if he is useful, they'll be no way of knowing, which means it's already a wasted pick.

[apalisoc_9]

Go to LA kawhi

[spurs50_]

I bet he scores more than Green......Cheap contract, Vince Carter signed a 1 yr deal for 8 million

[hitmanyr2k]

Basically one more year playing and another year prepping for an assistant coaching job.

[Chinook]

Manu hadn't been a top-eight player by minutes played since 2014-2015. While I can agree Hanga would not have been expected to be the sixth man, that 10th spot that Manu has occupied recently was very much in play for him, Paul, Forbes and White/Murray. While I think the team should have tried investing in a legit guard, it's not like they had the money had Manu hung them up.

[TD 21]

Manu hadn't been a top-eight player by minutes played since 2014-2015. While I can agree Hanga would not have been expected to be the sixth man, that 10th spot that Manu has occupied recently was very much in play for him, Paul, Forbes and White/Murray. While I think the team should have tried investing in a legit guard, it's not like they had the money had Manu hung them up.

Both seasons, despite the micro-managing, Ginobili was 2nd in mpg among bench players to Mills. The only reason his total minutes were lower than many, was because he only played 58 and 69 games, respectively. Also, unlike the likes of Simmons, Anderson and Dedmon, he was never and will never be at risk out of falling out of the rotation under any circumstance. He was and is unequivocally top 8.

Yeah, 10th, as in the Simmons/Anderson spot; hence my comment about Paul (Simmons' replacement) taking Hanga's would be roster spot.

[Chinook]

Both seasons, despite the micro-managing, Ginobili was 2nd in mpg among bench players to Mills. The only reason his total minutes were lower than many, was because he only played 58 and 69 games, respectively. Also, unlike the likes of Simmons, Anderson and Dedmon, he was never and will never be at risk out of falling out of the rotation under any circumstance. He was and is unequivocally top 8.

Yeah, 10th, as in the Simmons/Anderson spot; hence my comment about Paul (Simmons' replacement) taking Hanga's would be spot.

This is just semantics. Manu has one of the 15 spots. Had he not come back, one of those spots would have gone to someone else, be that Lee or another guard. Had there been no Manu, someone would have taken most of his minutes (likely Kawhi playing significantly more two), while someone else would have taken the smaller role. That person could have been Hanga. So whether you want to call that eighth or 10th is mostly irrelevant. What is true is that Manu took the back-up SG spot, which could have gone to a number of guys, including Hanga. Gay likely pushed Anderson to the back-up three spot, so in that regard, Kyle replaced Simmons' potential back-up SF role.

[illusioNtEk]

Manu is worth 10 million a season tbh....

[TD 21]

This is just semantics. Manu has one of the 15 spots. Had he not come back, one of those spots would have gone to someone else, be that Lee or another guard. Had there been no Manu, someone would have taken most of his minutes (likely Kawhi playing significantly more two), while someone else would have taken the smaller role. That person could have been Hanga. So whether you want to call that eighth or 10th is mostly irrelevant. What is true is that Manu took the back-up SG spot, which could have gone to a number of guys, including Hanga. Gay likely pushed Anderson to the back-up three spot, so in that regard, Kyle replaced Simmons' potential back-up SF role.

AKA, you've been proven wrong but don't want to admit it. :lmao

Given the dearth of true bigs on the roster, Ginobili's spot likely would have went to one. Backup SG would have been an open competition: Murray (when Parker returns), Paul, White and to a lesser extent Forbes (poor fit with Mills).

Rotation wise, Gay replaces Lee and part of Dedmon (Lauvergne/Bertans replace the other part), Anderson replaces Simmons and Paul replaces Anderson.

[ElNono]

Manu Ginobili has signed a two-year, $5 million deal to return to the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell The Vertical.

Ginobili, 40, returning to San Antonio on a fully guaranteed two-year deal.

:wow what a discount! thank you Manu...

[ElNono]

I'm pretty confident the Spurs would've signed Hanga instead of filling up a spot with London Perrantes if Hanga wasn't such a diva, tbh...

[SAGirl]

Had Manu retired the Spurs would have been looking for anyone with a very small budget to fill in.
He didn't so they weren't desperate.

One could assume if Manu had retired, the Spurs wouldn't have been so cavalier with Simmons' contract (no offers were ever made aside from the QO that was issued), or they would have gone after guys like Tyreke Evans and Hanga was also clearly in play or so he was led to believe by the Spurs. Regardless of how the minutes would have shaken out they were fair game and for the taking for any Spur wing/guard.

I assumed, once Simmons was let go, even without Manu announcing his return, that he was coming back. For his part Simmons also saw that his role and minutes wouldn't change and might have even decreased should one of the Spurs project guards pan out and eat into his role, in which he was very mediocre to bad for big parts of the season since he doesn't play well off the ball.

For Hanga, after leading him on (I assume bc uncertainties about Simmons and Ginobli, etc.) Spurs ultimately decided to pass up in him. With Manu coming back and Rudy in the fold they were not so desperate and felt comfortable filing inn the minutes gap with Kyle and a plethora of guards they will try out at rest games and injury games.

[dbestpro]

Rudy Gay will be mostly at SF, and Leonard will be mostly at SG by the end of the season. Gay at PF and LMA at center will be a disaster.

[SAGirl]

I'm pretty confident the Spurs would've signed Hanga instead of filling up a spot with London Perrantes if Hanga wasn't such a diva, tbh...
I do believe he got more in Europe than anything the Spurs were willing to pay him, for which I cannot fault him chasing. He's now too old to be taking cheap deals to make it. Either he's paid up at least competitive with Europe or it doesn't make sense to him. It sounded like disappointment on his part. He appears to really have wanted to join the team but he wasn't going to do it on Brandon Paul or London Perrantes money.

It's unlikely to me they were offering him anything more than what they gave Bertans to begin with. They were shopping in the summer league bargain bin and passed over not just Hanga but a few wings/guards like Tyreke and others that were cheaply priced. They just weren't that desperate bc they knew Manu was 95% likely to come back at least + they had Rudy. It's really easy to fill in what happened.

[TD 21]

Rudy Gay will be mostly at SF, and Leonard will be mostly at SG by the end of the season. Gay at PF and LMA at center will be a disaster.

:lmao Even if you believed the latter, given the roster composition, why would you believe the former?

As I said weeks ago, I suspect Gasol still generally starts, save for select match-ups (Warriors, Rockets, etc.), when Gay will. Expect Gay to sub in for Gasol around the 6 minute mark in the 1st and 3rd quarters and them to play mostly small thereafter, with Aldridge and Gasol often essentially alternating as the lone big. That gets both to roughly their mpg from last season and covers for the lack of established size off the bench.

Gay and Aldridge both have the physical tools of a PF and C though and will be fine in most match-ups playing those positions. The only concerns with it, are lack of defensive rebounding and roll man.

[Mikeanaro]

:danceclub