Woj: Pau Gasol Agrees to 3-yr Deal w/ Spurs

[coachmac87]

Says the guy that made 1000 threads about his podcast that no one listens to :lol

Freaking Mike Costello


Bruh you lead ST in thread counts by a mile....

Swerve

[vy65]

Not sure tbh. Kawhi probably threw his away once he got cheated

According to you, he should be pretty proud of it since the Spurs signed not one but two (2!!!) starters who made it to the WCF for the bargain basement of price of $28.5MM/year.

[apalisoc_9]

According to you, he should be pretty proud of it since the Spurs signed not one but two (2!!!) starters who made it to the WCF for the bargain basement of price of $28.5MM/year.

You should listen to his podcast :lol

[coachmac87]

You should listen to his podcast :lol

Oh you've now admitted to listening? Thanks bruh!

[SpursforSix]

Oh you've now admitted to listening? Thanks bruh!

You got a podcast? What is it? I'll check it out.

[dabom]

You got a podcast? What is it? I'll check it out.

Don't do it brah. The intro. :lol

[ducks]

Wtf type of beta-loser mentality is this? Fucking retarded :lol

wtf jeff mcdonald

[coachmac87]

Don't do it brah. The intro. :lol

Lmao you know that intro was fire

[Jdspur20]

Wtf type of beta-loser mentality is this? Fucking retarded :lol

What a loser. Wow.

[dylankerouac]

What are the chances Pau was gonna leave and sign with another team?

[SpursforSix]

Don't do it brah. The intro. :lol

Is that the name? "The Intro"? Can I call in with expert analysis?

[SpursforSix]

Lmao you know that intro was fire

what's the podcast?

not to toot my own horn but I'm kind of know around here for my reviews

[SpursforSix]

so the 210 Podcast

I couldn't find it in Stitcher

[coachmac87]

so the 210 Podcast

I couldn't find it in Stitcher


Check my old threads

[SpursforSix]

Check my old threads

you can't just tell me what it is or where to find it?

[TD 21]

If they're lucky, they can trade Kawhi to Boston and get a good return

This talk from people on Twitter about opening up a max slot without Aldridge and Green is just funny. Lose the second and third best starters to get a max player, because max players will want to pick up that slack.

It's a joke.

It's over.

The only max player they might have a shot at is Cousins and they don't have the balls to pursue him. Best of the rest UFA's that might be attainable and aren't automatically disqualified for not fitting their precious culture: Barton, W. Chandler (p/o), Bradley, Ariza, T. Young (p/o), Jordan (p/o), Rivers (p/o), Caldwell-Pope, B. Lopez, Evans, Monroe, Redick, E. Davis, Favors, J. Johnson.

I've been saying for weeks, this notion of cap space and an overhaul in '18, was always a myth. The reality is, repairing the relationship and getting the fully realized version of Aldridge, as well as retaining Green, is the best they can do. If the former doesn't occur, Favors is probably the best possible replacement. Throw in raises for Anderson, Bertans and more than most hope for Parker and they're mostly set going forward.



The Spurs seem hell-bent on going small this year. They are not doing same old, same old, despite having a similar roster. You can argue that they are not innovating by sticking with their guys, but they wouldn't be doing so by adapting to the "modern NBA" either. Gasol got pay way too much. But signing him is not a sign that PATFO is content. It's a sign that they want to take another shot a GS with a healthy roster. Pop running the same shitty offense another season in a row would be a different matter, though.

They'll definitely player smaller more often, but I don't buy that they gave Gasol this contract to backup Aldridge for roughly 15 mpg and play next to him for spot minutes. He's still likely going to start in most match-ups and play roughly 25 mpg.

They are content and they're delusional if they think this roster had or has a shot in hell at beating the Warriors. Once Paul made his decision, there was nothing they could do about that, but they could have abstained from locking a more expensive version in place.

[SpursforSix]

The only max player they might have a shot at is Cousins and they don't have the balls to pursue him. Best of the rest UFA's that might be attainable and aren't automatically disqualified for not fitting their precious culture: Barton, W. Chandler (p/o), Bradley, Ariza, T. Young (p/o), Jordan (p/o), Rivers (p/o), Caldwell-Pope, B. Lopez, Evans, Monroe, Redick, E. Davis, Favors, J. Johnson.

I've been saying for weeks, this notion of cap space and an overhaul in '18, was always a myth. The reality is, repairing the relationship and getting the fully realized version of Aldridge, as well as retaining Green, is the best they can do. If the former doesn't occur, Favors is probably the best possible replacement. Throw in raises for Anderson, Bertans and more than most hope for Parker and they're mostly set going forward.




They'll definitely player smaller more often, but I don't buy that they gave Gasol this contract to backup Aldridge for roughly 15 mpg and play next to him for spot minutes. He's still likely going to start in most match-ups and play roughly 25 mpg.

They are content and they're delusional if they think this roster had or has a shot in hell at beating the Warriors. Once Paul made his decision, there was nothing they could do about that, but they could have abstained from locking a more expensive version in place.

who is the more expensive version of Paul that they locked in?

[coachmac87]

you can't just tell me what it is or where to find it?

210 Podcast/210 Show

I don't have the files on my phone or computer. Going through my old threads is my best suggestion

[SpursforSix]

210 Podcast/210 Show

I don't have the files on my phone or computer. Going through my old threads is my best suggestion

I'm confused. So is this an ongoing podcast? And you can't tell me how to access it?

[TD 21]

who is the more expensive version of Paul that they locked in?

I meant of the previous team. Mills essentially quadrupled his salary, Gasol stayed about the same but for longer and Gay and Lauvergne will make more than double what Lee and Dedmon did.

[coachmac87]

I'm confused. So is this an ongoing podcast? And you can't tell me how to access it?

No it's not..I did it over a year ago.

[SpursforSix]

210 Podcast/210 Show

I don't have the files on my phone or computer. Going through my old threads is my best suggestion


I'm confused. So is this an ongoing podcast? And you can't tell me how to access it?

nm...I found it. Was the playoff episode the last one you've done?

[SpursforSix]

I meant of the previous team. Mills essentially quadrupled his salary, Gasol stayed about the same but for longer and Gay and Lauvergne will make more than double what Lee and Dedmon did.

got it. I misunderstood.

[coachmac87]

nm...I found it. Was the playoff episode the last one you've done?

Yessir

[SAGirl]

The Spurs seem hell-bent on going small this year. They are not doing same old, same old, despite having a similar roster. You can argue that they are not innovating by sticking with their guys, but they wouldn't be doing so by adapting to the "modern NBA" either. Gasol got pay way too much. But signing him is not a sign that PATFO is content. It's a sign that they want to take another shot a GS with a healthy roster. Pop running the same shitty offense another season in a row would be a different matter, though.

That's a point.
I am probably taking way too many assumptions here, but I think they plan to operate over the cap next season too anyways, which will still disappoint the fanbase, but I am kind of already getting ready for.
They must know or have an inkling based on conversations about what both LMA and Danny want to do (and they know for sure Tony wants another contract). If there are actual LMA trades worked out in the future, they may project to no have the opt outs that the twitterverse seems to think they will have. Danny is probably opting out for an increase. Why wouldn't he? 2nd team all defense and still underpaid relative to Mills and Pau now? Hell no. If he opts out it is for more, not for less. LMA? Who knows. The mystery man both in terms of his intentions and whether he will be traded or not. But I just get the sense capspace in 2018 is an illusion and the only way to get better now is either young player development or trades. And the two big man style they featured all season both in starting lineup and bench last season marginalized the young players that they have.

[E20]

I would assume this is how Spurs FO negotiates contracts, but instead of going down they go absurdly up:

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[kaji157]

That's a point.
I am probably taking way too many assumptions here, but I think they plan to operate over the cap next season too anyways, which will still disappoint the fanbase, but I am kind of already getting ready for.
They must know or have an inkling based on conversations about what both LMA and Danny want to do (and they know for sure Tony wants another contract). If there are actual LMA trades worked out in the future, they may project to no have the opt outs that the twitterverse seems to think they will have. Danny is probably opting out for an increase. Why wouldn't he? 2nd team all defense and still underpaid relative to Mills and Pau now? Hell no. If he opts out it is for more, not for less. LMA? Who knows. The mystery man both in terms of his intentions and whether he will be traded or not. But I just get the sense capspace in 2018 is an illusion and the only way to get better now is either young player development or trades. And the two big man style they featured all season both in starting lineup and bench last season marginalized the young players that they have.

I keep refreshing the page but still get "3 years, 48 millions" and "5 years 50 millions", so right now i am hoping a that a black hole very near the earth is disturbing the time-space and all the news we are getting are really about the San Antonio Knicks of a different unknown dimension.

[SAGirl]

Because we don't know if this is the final move...

What if Gasol is the starting center and LMA is moved??

Let's not get worked up over something you don't really know all the details about..

I do have a suspicion the LMA brouhaha has affected everything from CP3 deciding the firesale going on in the Spurs wasn't of interest to him, to him being untradeable bc the Spurs are getting lowballed like a used car salesman, etc. LMA most certainly appeared to want out and I think the Spurs are still trying to accommodate that but will persevere trying to get a trade they like. Meantime yes, they overpaid GAsol bc he would be the only skilled 7 footer they have in the roster. It all comes back to LMA issues IMO. The didn't need Pau to opt out and get this deal if their plan was standing pat tbh.

[ElNono]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl

Jeff is in a tough situation, tbh... If he doesn't fluff PATFO, he loses his job... for as much as Pop pretends to be a progressive, he and the org always had an iron grip over the local media, tbh...

[noles1983]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl

What a fucking hack. This c u n t bubble has the easiest job ever.

[TimDunkem]

What a fucking hack. This c u n t bubble has the easiest job ever.
Tbh, that's Don Harris. At least Jeff has to write shit. All Don does is stand in front of a camera and "report" other people's hard work. He's never broken any news and never has any real insight into what the Spurs are doing. That's why he's so easily offended if you talk to him on Twitter. :lol

[rjv]

Tbh, that's Don Harris. At least Jeff has to write shit. All Don does is stand in front of a camera and "report" other people's hard work. He's never broken any news and never has any real insight into what the Spurs are doing. That's why he's so easily offended if you talk to him on Twitter. :lol not to mention his crappy little sermons that he gives instead of covering sports.

[TimDunkem]

not to mention his crappy little sermons that he gives instead of covering sports.
And it's usually not even his own original opinion at that. Probably reads them on this site. He's known to lurk here after all. :lol

[Cloud786]

Can someone tell me how Gasol opting out did us a favor? Not like we couldn't have kept Mills and sign Gay if he opted in...

[tonight...you]

Can someone tell me how Gasol opting out did us a favor? Not like we couldn't have kept Mills and sign Gay if he opted in...
Long story short: it was a plan that didn't pan out, bud.
They tried, they failed.

[noles1983]

Tbh, that's Don Harris. At least Jeff has to write shit. All Don does is stand in front of a camera and "report" other people's hard work. He's never broken any news and never has any real insight into what the Spurs are doing. That's why he's so easily offended if you talk to him on Twitter. :lol

You're right that's who I was thinking of.

[TheDoctor]

Kawhi pretty soon in his Tahoe

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ot2L9tbvGjI/Ufh1_QvL1SI/AAAAAAAA21w/AR0pofJwZR8/s1600/Lincoln++CA+to+Leander++TX+++Google+Maps.png


http://i.imgur.com/V0IT0CG.jpg

[tonight...you]

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z357/GYR0MEISTER/Kawhi_Leaving.jpg
:lol

[Down Under]

Would be funny if we won it all this. Despite giving out such a terrible contract :lol

[Prose]

i get why they did it but they couldn't pay simmons 6 mil a year in a league that is heading towards a versatile wing player who can switch to guard the warriors but they paid gasol 16 m a year?

[apalisoc_9]

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z357/GYR0MEISTER/Kawhi_Leaving.jpg

Yo not working ..:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z357/GYR0MEISTER/Kawhi_Leaving.jpg
What does this mean? I just typed Texas to Cali on google images :lol

[apalisoc_9]

What does this mean? I just typed Texas to Cali on google images :lol

What? Image notnworking bro..i thought The doctor can do some photoshop magic?

[dabom]

Lmao you know that intro was fire

I tried bro. :lol

That's more than a lot of people.

[cjw]

When on earth will someone leak the contract terms so we can find out what the third year guarantee is?

[Ice009]

889899540098293760

Let someone else have a turn?

:rofl

Ah, you've sucked ass at your job for 5 years or however long it's been, you need to either quit or be fired. Let someone else have a turn.

[024]

All the spurs had to do was sit pretty, let Kawhi have his mvp, Manu get his retirement tour, and then prepare for the massive amount of cap space they'll get in 2018 for the huge FA class. Instead they stack on Gasol's contract even though they could have gotten him for half price next year and still overpay him.

I still can't believe Gasol opted out for a longer term contract and got more or less the same money per year. Even jefferson got paid less per year when he opted out and that was one of the worst signing during that era. What was the point of this? Until we see contract details proving otherwise, this deal has no silver lining.

[cjw]

Ah, you've sucked ass at your job for 5 years or however long it's been, you need to either quit or be fired. Let someone else have a turn.

He has an MVP vote. Unreal. Should ask him why he keeps voting for Lebron year after year for All NBA - shouldn't it be someone else's turn?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

What are the chances Pau was gonna leave and sign with another team?

Minimal, no else is going to offer him that kind of money. Spurs thrive on outbidding themselves.

[pad300]

Has he actually signed the thing yet? Could this be his price to agree for a s&t?
Out - Pau, Green, Murray (or other ~1.2M + salary), picks
In - Kyrie, Thompson
CLE moves Kyrie's butt, gets out of Thompson's deal (16.4/17.5/18.5 all fully guaranteed) - sheds ~ 7M in cap this year ( which saves Dan Gilbert 22.5M!, I think), and of course gets Murray and picks.

If this guess is true, undoubtedly, SAS and CLE are arguing over how many are to be picks involved; Pau will only sign once that is settled...

[Hoops Czar]

Has he actually signed the thing yet? Could this be his price to agree for a s&t?
Out - Pau, Green, Murray (or other ~1.2M + salary), picks
In - Kyrie, Thompson
CLE moves Kyrie's butt, gets out of Thompson's deal (16.4/17.5/18.5 all fully guaranteed) - sheds ~ 7M in cap this year ( which saves Dan Gilbert 22.5M!, I think), and of course gets Murray and picks.

If this guess is true, undoubtedly, SAS and CLE are arguing over how many are to be picks involved; Pau will only sign once that is settled...

:lmao

[SAGirl]

good article.
CP3 shafted the Spurs... also LMA with his crybaby desire to leave tanking his value.
https://bballbreakdown.com/2017/07/25/pau-gasol-spurs-lost-offseason/

(https://bballbreakdown.com/2017/07/25/pau-gasol-spurs-lost-offseason/)
On the surface, the Spurs, a team not known for handing out bad contracts, put together one of the most questionable deals of that summer.

The Gasol contract is essentially the same deal struck with Jefferson so many years ago. The only difference is, unlike with Splitter, the Spurs didn’t accomplish all of their offseason goals.



bad offseason for sure. Whatever it was they hoped to accomplish with the capspace created by Gasol, they lost on.

[Mnky]

The Spurs seem hell-bent on going small this year. They are not doing same old, same old, despite having a similar roster. You can argue that they are not innovating by sticking with their guys, but they wouldn't be doing so by adapting to the "modern NBA" either. Gasol got pay way too much. But signing him is not a sign that PATFO is content. It's a sign that they want to take another shot a GS with a healthy roster. Pop running the same shitty offense another season in a row would be a different matter, though.

The one that had multiple double digit lead a on the warriors lastt year? That offense?

:lol

[TimDunkem]

^The one that left most on this website whining all season about this being a one-man team? The one that completely collapsed without that one guy to carry it, and failed to win even one game against said Warriors?

[SAGirl]

well to be fair, an entire healthy Cavs team only won the one game.

Had lamarcus shown some pantalones maybe they do win game 1 when instead he TO the ball like crazy and crapped his pants, or game 3 which was close. The dude didn't have it in him. In reality, 4 down should be avoided as much as possible. It was evident kawhi made everyone around him better, including Aldridge.. but nooooooo the big guy thinks the Spurs have affected his game negatively... :td

[tbdog]

You can't 4 down when we didn't have legit shooters. Mills and Green are like our best outside Leonard. Bertans needs more minutes. Gasol shat himself beyond the arc. So no, you can't play 4 down with this team.

[BillMc]

good article.
CP3 shafted the Spurs... also LMA with his crybaby desire to leave tanking his value.
https://bballbreakdown.com/2017/07/25/pau-gasol-spurs-lost-offseason/

(https://bballbreakdown.com/2017/07/25/pau-gasol-spurs-lost-offseason/)



This.

As I said elsewhere, good days for Dubs. Two only rivals have had a major player ask to be traded.

[BillMc]

Maybe Pau said "Marc would be really impressed (wink, wink) if you pay me well." :lol

[cjw]

You can't 4 down when we didn't have legit shooters. Mills and Green are like our best outside Leonard. Bertans needs more minutes. Gasol shat himself beyond the arc. So no, you can't play 4 down with this team.

What are you talking about? Gasol led the league in three point shooting, albeit in a limited but still not unsubstantial sample size. He's not Lance Stephenson.

Try thinking before you type next time. Do I like the Gasol contract? No. Do I think he has serious holes in his game that don't allow him to play against GS? Yes. Can he shoot well for a big? He did last year.

[tbdog]

What are you talking about? Gasol led the league in three point shooting, albeit in a limited but still not unsubstantial sample size. He's not Lance Stephenson.

Try thinking before you type next time. Do I like the Gasol contract? No. Do I think he has serious holes in his game that don't allow him to play against GS? Yes. Can he shoot well for a big? He did last year.

Gasol shot 33% from three in the playoffs. You know, the time when it matters most? A big bloody drop off from 53%. We rested him, 25mins a game. 6mins less than the year before. And only played 64 games, which about half was off the bench. We rested him so he could performed when it matters. He also only shot 70% from the line.

Plus, when it comes to shooting 3's, you need to shoot them quick. That's how a 4 down works at it's best. Mills gets it off quick. Same as Manu and Green. Gasol is a slow shooter.

[sasaint]

Gasol shot 33% from three in the playoffs. You know, the time when it matters most? A big bloody drop off from 53%. We rested him, 25mins a game. 6mins less than the year before. And only played 64 games, which about half was off the bench. We rested him so he could performed when it matters. He also only shot 70% from the line.

Plus, when it comes to shooting 3's, you need to shoot them quick. That's how a 4 down works at it's best. Mills gets it off quick. Same as Manu and Green. Gasol is a slow shooter.

Like everybody, I am mystified by the Gasol contract. I do not think this team is suited at all to run 4-down. That said, however, shooting quickly is more important for a 6' shooter than a 7' shooter. Besides 7-footers are not typically guarded as closely on the perimeter as 6-footers. Pau's problem was simple - he went cold during the playoffs. It has nothing to do with having a deliberate release.

[JFK]

Jeff is in a tough situation, tbh... If he doesn't fluff PATFO, he loses his job... for as much as Pop pretends to be a progressive, he and the org always had an iron grip over the local media, tbh...

Yeah. However, this must be PATFO's favorite time of the year when the local hacks like Greg Simmons and Don Harris all turn a blind eye and go make out with Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys assholes from training camp until the Cowboys are out of contention or eliminated from the playoffs.

They should question some of the local teams moves once in a while, these sniveling little no spine cucks. McDonald, like the rest, I'm sure sends over the articles to the information ministry department for review on AT&T Center Parkway, before he runs it.

[SpursforSix]

Yeah. However, this must be PATFO's favorite time of the year when the local hacks like Greg Simmons and Don Harris all turn a blind eye and go make out with Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys assholes from training camp until the Cowboys are out of contention or eliminated from the playoffs.

They should question some of the local teams moves once in a while, these sniveling little no spine cucks. McDonald, like the rest, I'm sure sends over the articles to the information ministry department for review on AT&T Center Parkway, before he runs it.

While it's enjoyable to see a Pop interview, it sucks that no one is willing to ask him the reasoning for Pau's contract. Which is a reasonable question. But even if someone had the nuts to ask him, he wouldn't answer.

[tholdren]

What are you talking about? Gasol led the league in three point shooting, albeit in a limited but still not unsubstantial sample size. He's not Lance Stephenson.

Try thinking before you type next time. Do I like the Gasol contract? No. Do I think he has serious holes in his game that don't allow him to play against GS? Yes. Can he shoot well for a big? He did last year.

So fucking what? Bonner could shoot well for a big but hes UNPLAYABLE. There is no need for a c or pf in todays game. There is no need for 7 footers that shoot a 3 in todays game.

[nyspurguy]

This off season has been a lil baffling... first the 12:01am Mills over paying. Then there's the Simmons situation, he leaves and sign a 3 year $20M contract. So we just couldn't keep him for that amount? Okay maybe he just wanted out. Derrick Rose is out there. I get it, Rose is FINISHED. Although for $2.1M? Spurs couldn't have got him for...I don't know..let's say $4 or $5M? Okay maybe he just didn't wanna come to SA. Pau gets $16M a year? I literally thought it would be half that. I'm thinking 3 years $24M would be a nice contract for Pau. Was I wrong! This seems like a thanks for everything/franchise player contract. Like Tony and Manu got. To a bigger extent, like Kobe got. Heck they really couldn't pay him the $16.2M and see what happens? Heck Javale McGee could probably be gotten for 2 years $12M or less. Between the $2 to $3M Mills got overpayed and the $8 or $9M Pau got overpayed, seems like that difference could had afforded the Spurs J-SIMMONS. Oh yeah the Spurs second best player may not wanna be there. If the Spurs did trade Aldridge, at this point, I'm a lil concerned at what they may get/take for him. Is Pop behind these signings? Well at least the Spurs have a Bad MFer in Kawhi Leonard.

[dylankerouac]

Minimal, no else is going to offer him that kind of money. Spurs thrive on outbidding themselves.

Noooo.... lol. Surprising contract to say the least.

[YGWHI]

You can't 4 down when we didn't have legit shooters. Mills and Green are like our best outside Leonard. Bertans needs more minutes. Gasol shat himself beyond the arc. So no, you can't play 4 down with this team.

While I expect that Pop learned something from trying to play 4-down with LMA who isn't the great passer that Tim was and doesn't find shooters in the way that Tim or even Boris did, I agree with you that the Spurs can't play 4-down with this roster, also, they don't have elite 3-point shooters if Mills and Green are our best guys.

Patty 36% 3P and Danny 34% were horrible in playoffs, Pau too 33%. The young guys like Davis, Bryn didn't have minutes, I'm not sure they will play too much this new season. They should but Pop is sometimes too much Pop, it's likely that Manu and Patty will play a lot more than Forbes and the rookies.

Spurs need a true, elite shooter playing in the perimeter. This poor lastest version of Danny isn't that guy anymore. And Patty is so inconsistent from 3.

[cjw]

Gasol shot 33% from three in the playoffs. You know, the time when it matters most? A big bloody drop off from 53%. We rested him, 25mins a game. 6mins less than the year before. And only played 64 games, which about half was off the bench. We rested him so he could performed when it matters. He also only shot 70% from the line.

Plus, when it comes to shooting 3's, you need to shoot them quick. That's how a 4 down works at it's best. Mills gets it off quick. Same as Manu and Green. Gasol is a slow shooter.

You're either incapable of comprehending stats or a poorly executing troll. He took 18 three point attempts in the playoffs. The difference between 33% and 39% is one make. One. Friggen. Shot. Sample size?

Stats to fit a narrative are nice until someone pokes a huge hole in the first thing you quote. Try harder next time.

[cjw]

So fucking what? Bonner could shoot well for a big but hes UNPLAYABLE. There is no need for a c or pf in todays game. There is no need for 7 footers that shoot a 3 in todays game.

Could Bonner pass or rebound?

And I didn't make an argument, if you actually read my post, for the Gasol contract. I am 100% against it. Just calling out a stupid comment that he's a bad shooter. False narrative followed by misleading stats in the prior response.

[YGWHI]

What a summer. Spurs could have gotten two max slots in 2018 but after Pau's deal is not certain they will have one....If you dont like this deal just wait for Parker's new contract next season :shootme

[ace3g]

890387553681125376

[Eaglenole2002]

And it gets worse...

[TheDoctor]

What does this mean? I just typed Texas to Cali on google images :lol


Yo not working ..:lol


http://i.imgur.com/V0IT0CG.jpg

:lol

[CGD]

890387553681125376

Sounds like they told Pau that they'd make him whole for this coming year, and then toss him another 22 million guaranteed over the next two years for his troubles, so long as they had say in how they structured the last two years. Best beat they move his ass before that guarantee date.

Still think the deal is still insane.

[Hoops Czar]

890387553681125376
They're paying this nigga roughly 18M a year for the next two seasons for a 37 year old? :wow Get the frig out of here. The most overrated FO possibly all-time.

[TimDunkem]

http://i.imgur.com/V0IT0CG.jpg

:lol
:lmao All it needs is a picture of Porker, Fatty Mills, Manu, and RC looking somber in the background watching him drive away.

[cjw]

They can always stretch the last year if they want for $2.23 per year over three years.

I honestly have no clue how the Spurs got fleeced on two deals. Mills is nowhere near as bad as this one, though. They could have literally waited out the offseason as there will be better deals to be had next summer when less have cap room.

[TheDoctor]

:lmao All it needs is a picture of Porker, Fatty Mills, Manu, and RC looking somber in the background watching him drive away.

lmao Kawhi tried but a bunch of pigs blocked the road :lmao

[Mugen]

It still hurts tbh.

[tbdog]

You're either incapable of comprehending stats or a poorly executing troll. He took 18 three point attempts in the playoffs. The difference between 33% and 39% is one make. One. Friggen. Shot. Sample size?

Stats to fit a narrative are nice until someone pokes a huge hole in the first thing you quote. Try harder next time.


That's still 14% drop from his season average.

[TimDunkem]

lmao Kawhi tried but a bunch of pigs blocked the road :lmao:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Snaq O'Meal]

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Jeff McDonald: "I had 5 enjoyable years with my wife, it's OK to let someone else have a turn."

[kaji157]

This deal is ridiculous unless the FO trades Aldridge.
And even then is questionable at least.
Next year it will be a good trade asset for a team looking to salary dump.

[ceperez]

This deal is so ridiculous that it can only make sense when Aldridge is traded for Marc Gasol.

I believe this is a big tell as to what will happen next.

[BillMc]

So this will be the deal for the disgruntled to latch onto? Parker deal 2. :lol

[BatManu20]

This deal is so ridiculous that it can only make sense when Aldridge is traded for Marc Gasol.

I believe this is a big tell as to what will happen next.

Memphis isn't going to trade their gritty franchise player who's in his prime for a soft jump-shooter on the decline who is even older than Marc is... :lol

[BatManu20]

And this deal still fucking sucks no matter how you slice it. Awful.

[TheDoctor]

Memphis isn't going to trade their gritty franchise player who's in his prime for a soft jump-shooter on the decline who is even older than Marc is... :lol

[TimDunkem]

Memphis isn't going to trade their gritty franchise player who's in his prime for a soft jump-shooter on the decline who is even older than Marc is... :lol
No shit. And to a conference AND division rival at that? People here are delusional as fuck. :lol

[ceperez]

Memphis isn't going to trade their gritty franchise player who's in his prime for a soft jump-shooter on the decline who is even older than Marc is... :lol

They will if Marc Gasol demands a trade. They owe him at least a chance at a championship and a chance to play a few years with his brother.

Players can demand to go elsewhere, just look what happened this pre-season. What did Indiana get for George? What did the Clippers get for Paul?

[TimDunkem]

Except Marc isn't demanding shit and loves Memphis. Just because you think they "owe" him a ring doesn't mean he or they view it that way.

[TimDunkem]

HEY, EVERYONE! If Irving, LeBron, Anthony Davis, and Marc demand a trade we can give them our scraps and totally win the next 5 titles!!!

[Seventyniner]

They will if Marc Gasol demands a trade. They owe him at least a chance at a championship and a chance to play a few years with his brother.

Players can demand to go elsewhere, just look what happened this pre-season. What did Indiana get for George? What did the Clippers get for Paul?

Players can want out, but how often do they actually go where they want?

[ceperez]

Players can want out, but how often do they actually go where they want?

When they've shown a lot of loyalty and sacrifice for their current team.

Paul got what he wanted.

Why do you think PATFO signed a blockbuster deal for a 37 year old center like Pau who played poorly in the playoffs?

It only makes sense if he's bringing in some serious value. That serious value is Marc Gasol.

[tholdren]

Not mad until i see what all happens with his contract in 3 year.

[Stabula]

Most people in this world are so mentally diseased they don't even recognize it as disease.

[noles1983]

Fuck Pau

[LkrFan]

:vomit:

:lol

[Mal]

"Pau's first 2 seasons of new deal are guaranteed fully at $16 mil in Y1, $16.8 mil in Y2. Y3 $16 mil non-guaranteed"

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WTF ?? Could have him for 1 year for that fucking 16 mil, instead PATFO extend him for 1 more year, for more money... When he earned this money ?

[Ice009]

What the heck???????????????? Why??????????????

[Seventyniner]

891900137030680577

If the final year is fully non-guaranteed, I believe that means the Spurs could waive and stretch Pau's contract next summer for $3.36 per year for five years. And if Pau plays out the second year he would also be a good trade chip in 2019.

[tbdog]

This is no where near as bad as original thought.

[Mal]

If the final year is fully non-guaranteed, I believe that means the Spurs could waive and stretch Pau's contract next summer for $3.36 per year for five years. And if Pau plays out the second year he would also be a good trade chip in 2019.

Yeah, but still Spurs could have had him for 16 mil, not stretching shit.

[Chinook]

Moreover, what it could mean is that SA will try to trade Pau after the season in 2019. I'm not sure if the new CBA's nerfing of non-guaranteed deals starts after the deadline the season before or the first day of the non-guaranteed year. If it's the latter, that means that SA could use Pau's $17 Million to grab salary in June.

If the Spurs are pivoting to a 2019 complete and total window for cap space(only Patty is guaranteed to be under contract in 2019-2020 :lol), then it makes sense. Ideally, Patty is on the table for Irving in Januray (extremely unlikely for multiple reasons), and the team gets to both start over cleanly if Kawhi leaves but also gets a decent two-year attempt to compete for a title in the meantime.

I like the deal a lot more now than before, especially if LMA opts and and PATFO never wanted to pursue Cousins.

[daledondale]

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[cjw]

Is it confirmed that it's a zero guarantee in year three vs. what Lowe reported of 6.7 guaranteed?

Anyway, this deal would make a lot more sense and actually is an asset. Worst case, he falls off a cliff and they stretch him if no takers and they need the cap space. More likely, he's treated as an expiring with a potentially nice asset in a non-guarantee in year 3 (can dump to a team needing cap relief, or create a trade exception).

Because he was signed so late in FA, this is essentially as if he had never opted out (but he did, which provided flexibility) and then he signed a one year deal, albeit at an expensive amount, next summer with a non guarantee in year 2.

[coachmac87]

I tried to be the voice of reason and tell everyone to pump the brakes on making judgement on PATFO....

But I guess I'm just a cliche, vanilla, homer fan who had a shitty podcast:depressed

[bklynspursfan]

I tried to be the voice of reason and tell everyone to pump the brakes on making judgement on PATFO....

But I guess I'm just a cliche, vanilla, homer fan who had a shitty podcast:depressed

People will always overreact here thinking they know everything going on behind the scenes and what not. It's pretty comical.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Moreover, what it could mean is that SA will try to trade Pau after the season in 2019. I'm not sure if the new CBA's nerfing of non-guaranteed deals starts after the deadline the season before or the first day of the non-guaranteed year. If it's the latter, that means that SA could use Pau's $17 Million to grab salary in June.

If the Spurs are pivoting to a 2019 complete and total window for cap space(only Patty is guaranteed to be under contract in 2019-2020 :lol), then it makes sense. Ideally, Patty is on the table for Irving in Januray (extremely unlikely for multiple reasons), and the team gets to both start over cleanly if Kawhi leaves but also gets a decent two-year attempt to compete for a title in the meantime.

I like the deal a lot more now than before, especially if LMA opts and and PATFO never wanted to pursue Cousins.

With the prediction being that a lot of players will be opting in, league-wide, next summer, I suppose I understand the FO motive, too. I'm a Gasol fan, actually, but I didn't like this deal for the Spurs. I hate the idea of 2017-2018 being a wasted year for Kawhi, and potentially next as well, but your observation makes senses. I suppose the thought was that none of this season's FAs or trade options would move the needle any closer to dethroning the Warriors than with the players we already have in the locker room. A lot can happen during the season, GS could have some setbacks opening the door, and the Spurs did make the WCF with this group.

[Capt Bringdown]

Spurs made it to the WC finals, and were up big on the Warriors until Leonard's injury - I wouldn't bank on that happening next year, given what went down over the summer. Some seem to think that because we were up big against the Warriors in a portion of 1 game, we would are competitive and would have possible even defeated GS.

Rather, Leonard's injury showed how vulnerable the Spurs are as a one man team. Warriors have options which would have hampered or isolated Leonard in that series, and still would have possibly swept the Spurs or won 4-1.
Spurs are in the same position as the rest of the league: competing against an All-Star team. I don't think there's much hope for anyone to knock them off, especially since the consensus is to go small. The Warriors can only be beaten, I believe, by a "traditional" team with excellence at every position. Think 80's Lakers and Celtics.

It sucks to see the Spurs to put up weak of a fight, but the type of players they need just aren't out there in this era.

[Chinook]

The Spurs weren't a one-man team against GS until after Kawhi got hurt. That's when they started doubling LMA and jumping the passing routes. When Kawhi was in, both were able to score against anything the Warriors could throw at them.

[CGD]

If true, this is not bad at all. I'd argue even good since this comes at a time when the cap space environment is tightening. All the sudden the Spurs have a nice little trade asset for a team, two years from now (Spurs included), that want to open up space nearly 17 in space.

[BatManu20]

Yea this isn't as bad as originally thought. Still not a great deal by any means, but as mentioned above, we can cut bait after year 2 since it's a fully non-guaranteed third year or if he REALLY starts to suck (unlikely), we can just stretch him. His contract is tradable after this season, although I doubt the Spurs go that route. I think Pau plays 2 more years in SA and then hangs em up after the Spurs tell him he's going to be cut.

[MultiTroll]

And he probably would have put forth more effort, knowing the bigger CBA coming in summer of 2018.
As is he stays in passive phuck mode most likely.

Which is not to say he didn't have his moments, he gave good effort on occasion. On occasion. :rolleyes
What a disgusting fuck up by PATFO.

Burning Demon, Boban, Simmons (still don't believe he was asking for 50, could just be PR spin by Pops San Antonio media cucks)
...while rewarding
Gasol
Mills
Parker

[Capt Bringdown]

The Spurs weren't a one-man team against GS until after Kawhi got hurt. That's when they started doubling LMA and jumping the passing routes. When Kawhi was in, both were able to score against anything the Warriors could throw at them.

LMA was a passive, ineffective turd for most of the playoffs. That's his default setting, a bit of one game doesn't change that fact.
Spurs are a one-man team.

[Chinook]

LMA was a passive, ineffective turd for most of the playoffs. That's his default setting, a bit of one game doesn't change that fact.
Spurs are a one-man team.

The Spurs weren't a one-man team any any point in these past playoffs until Kawhi went down. We have no idea what would have happened had LMA gone down instead, but I'm pretty sure GS would have swept the Spurs just the same. You simply can't dismiss a guy who was getting ready to go for this second-straight 30-point game before Leonard went down.

[Kindergarten Cop]

LMA was a passive, ineffective turd for most of the playoffs. That's his default setting, a bit of one game doesn't change that fact.
Spurs are a one-man team.

Your argument would be more valid had we not advanced to the WCF when missing that "one-man".

In regards to the Warriors - of course we're not going to beat Golden State if our squad is not at full strength (especially missing an MVP candidate and 2 other key players) ... nobody is.

[DPG21920]

It has been confirmed that year 3 is in fact 6.7M guaranteed.

[Capt Bringdown]

Your argument would be more valid had we not advanced to the WCF when missing that "one-man".

In regards to the Warriors - of course we're not going to beat Golden State if our squad is not at full strength (especially missing an MVP candidate and 2 other key players) ... nobody is.

Or, Spurs were good enough as a one man team to make it to the WCF - this year. Beating powerhouses such as Memphis and Houston (yawn). A one man team is not advancing beyond that point against GS, or any other good team.
Spurs are a lottery team without Leonard. The drop-off from what Leonard provides for this team and the rest of the squad is immense.

[Chinook]

It has been confirmed that year 3 is in fact 6.7M guaranteed.

By Garcia? Lowe isn't exactly Woj

[DPG21920]

By Garcia? Lowe isn't exactly Woj

Eric Pincus

[Kindergarten Cop]

Or, Spurs were good enough as a one man team to make it to the WCF - this year. Beating powerhouses such as Memphis and Houston (yawn). A one man team is not advancing beyond that point against GS, or any other good team.
Spurs are a lottery team without Leonard. The drop-off from what Leonard provides for this team and the rest of the squad is immense.

I'm not understanding your point. In one breath, you state that we advanced without Kawhi (our "one man") because of inferior competition and in the next you say that we are a lottery team without him? We are in agreement that we are not advancing beyond Golden State (regardless of what stage in the Playoffs we face them) without Kawhi - but already being down TP (who was playing his best basketball of the season), we were up 23 in the third quarter on the road against those guys. Would we have won that game had Kawhi not been injured? Most certainly. Would we have won the series? Sadly, nobody will ever know - but I'd like our odds being up 1-0 and stealing home court.

[YGWHI]

I love how some people here think only Mills will be under contract in 2019-2020...Like if Paker returns this season, the Spurs won't give him at least a 2 year new deal to allow him to retire as a Spur when his current contract ending.

[YGWHI]

The Spurs weren't a one-man team any any point in these past playoffs until Kawhi went down. We have no idea what would have happened had LMA gone down instead, but I'm pretty sure GS would have swept the Spurs just the same. You simply can't dismiss a guy who was getting ready to go for this second-straight 30-point game before Leonard went down.

Obviously, because LMA makes the same impact and have the same importance than Kawhi's on the Spurs. I find so ridiculous when someone compares the game of a top#20 player to #3-5 in the league.

[YGWHI]

I'm not understanding your point. In one breath, you state that we advanced without Kawhi (our "one man") because of inferior competition and in the next you say that we are a lottery team without him?

It's just context. Spurs won without Kawhi in game 6 against Rockets because after they lost Nene, D'Antoni put Harden to guard LMA most times...I have doubts if the Spurs had to beat Memphis in a game 6 in 2nd round without Kawhi, LMA would have had the same success.

Could the Spurs have won the series against Rockets without Kawhi in game 2 or 3? Or even w/o him in the 3rd quarter of game 5 when he was keeping us alive? I don't think so.

Do I think they can make the playoffs without Kawhi? Depends on when he gets injured. If that's in the first two months of the season, I would say...no.

[freemeat]

Showing loyalty to a player is a great marketing tool to free agents for a small-market team. Pau did the Spurs a favor, so they paid it back. They did it in a manner which favors the player, and it's a smart move for the future.

[tholdren]

I tried to be the voice of reason and tell everyone to pump the brakes on making judgement on PATFO....

But I guess I'm just a cliche, vanilla, homer fan who had a shitty podcast:depressed

Ive also said the same, but still cant stand gasol

[SPURt]

http://i.imgur.com/aFR3m1v.gif

[Ice009]

I tried to be the voice of reason and tell everyone to pump the brakes on making judgement on PATFO....

But I guess I'm just a cliche, vanilla, homer fan who had a shitty podcast:depressed

So now DPG has said that he's found out the 3rd year is guaranteed. Man, you keep making yourself look worse and worse. I want to like you, but you and your sources are about as worthless as the Spurs FO right about now. You just keep getting stuff wrong.

I don't know what you're trying to spin. The contract was very bad even if the 3rd year wasn't guaranteed, but if he does have guaranteed money in the 3rd year, it's back to being a horrendous contract. I was looking forward to Pau coming off the books next year. Now we got two more off-season's of this shit with a possible 3rd one.

Question to anyone that might know, if Pau somehow plays decent the next two seasons up to that 3rd year, can the Spurs still keep him, but only pay him the 6.7M, or do they have to pay the full amount if they want to keep him for year 3?

[coachmac87]

So now DPG has said that he's found out the 3rd year is guaranteed. Man, you keep making yourself look worse and worse. I want to like you, but you and your sources are about as worthless as the Spurs FO right about now. You just keep getting stuff wrong.

I don't know what you're trying to spin. The contract was very bad even if the 3rd year wasn't guaranteed, but if he does have guaranteed money in the 3rd year, it's back to being a horrendous contract. I was looking forward to Pau coming off the books next year. Now we got two more off-season's of this shit with a possible 3rd one.

Question to anyone that might know, if Pau somehow plays decent the next two seasons up to that 3rd year, can the Spurs still keep him, but only pay him the 6.7M, or do they have to pay the full amount if they want to keep him for year 3?



I never cited sources regarding this..I just tried to give the voice of reason on waiting for more information or moves before you judge or criticize PATFO....

But I also found it funny how some posters tune changed once more information leaked

[tbdog]

What is the benefit of Gasol accepting that 3rd year fully non guaranteed? It is almost 100% likely that it does not get accepted before the cut off.

[Maddog]

If true, this is not bad at all. I'd argue even good since this comes at a time when the cap space environment is tightening. All the sudden the Spurs have a nice little trade asset for a team, two years from now (Spurs included), that want to open up space nearly 17 in space.

Definitely, plus he is still a serviceable player despite what is said on this board.

I don't think people remember how the Lakers and Celtics post 2007 built there teams. They traded short term bad contracts for longer term good to great players (Pau, KG etc.) With the cap tightening teams will be willing to unload long term contracts.

[cjw]

Burning Demon, Boban, Simmons (still don't believe he was asking for 50, could just be PR spin by Pops San Antonio media cucks)
...while rewarding
Gasol
Mills
Parker

I bet you Gasol, Parker and Mills will have more win shares over the rest of their careers despite their age than the guys you mentioned. They're all actually ... good basketball players, while the three you brought up rely on size/athleticism (Simmons had some flashes of skill). Once the athleticism goes, it's game over.

[TheGreatYacht]

Showing loyalty to a player is a great marketing tool to free agents for a small-market team. Pau did the Spurs a favor, so they paid it back. They did it in a manner which favors the player, and it's a smart move for the future.
Loyalty? Get the fuck out of here. He's been here a year :lmao

I seriously doubt free agents will have Pau Gasol in their minds when thinking about coming here. If anything stars will be turned off by the front office handing out these ridiculous contracts to scrubs and old fucks

[apalisoc_9]

Loyalty? Get the fuck out of here. He's been here a year :lmao

I seriously doubt free agents will have Pau Gasol in their minds when thinking about coming here. If anything stars will be turned off by the front office handing out these ridiculous contracts to scrubs and old fucks

But He aspik spanis

[TheGreatYacht]

PATFO fluffers continue to look like bath water drinking faggots as per par. Lol @ at those of you that brought the pom poms out when the fake news came out that his 3rd year was full non-guaranteed.

This contract is horrendous no matter how hard you spin on your helmets.

[TheGreatYacht]

But He aspik spanis
"He eat de corn flays for brickfest liek mi"

[SpursforSix]

Loyalty? Get the fuck out of here. He's been here a year :lmao

I seriously doubt free agents will have Pau Gasol in their minds when thinking about coming here. If anything stars will be turned off by the front office handing out these ridiculous contracts to scrubs and old fucks

Star Player : So...tell me why I should come play for you?

:pop: got a great system and you can play along side Kawhi

Star Player : nice...who else

:pop: well, we have Parker, Gasol, and Mills locked up for several years

Star Player: .....

:pop: did I mention the great system...and Leonard?

[TheGreatYacht]

Star Player : So...tell me why I should come play for you?

:pop: got a great system and you can play along side Kawhi

Star Player : nice...who else

:pop: well, we have Parker, Gasol, and Mills locked up for several years

Star Player: .....

:pop: did I mention the great system...and Leonard?
:pop: You know, the NASA space center is only a couple of hours away from here.

[Ice009]

Loyalty? Get the fuck out of here. He's been here a year :lmao

I seriously doubt free agents will have Pau Gasol in their minds when thinking about coming here. If anything stars will be turned off by the front office handing out these ridiculous contracts to scrubs and old fucks

LOL, exactly. Free agents (young ones especially) will be turned off seeing the Spurs not playing young players (Murray) while also kicking others to the curb (Simmons) and low-ball them while overpaying for veterans and scrubs. That wouldn't look too enticing to any young player/s.

I doubt any young players would even be interested in the Spurs these days.

[bklynspursfan]

LOL, exactly. Free agents (young ones especially) will be turned off seeing the Spurs not playing young players (Murray) while also kicking others to the curb (Simmons) and low-ball them while overpaying for veterans and scrubs. That wouldn't look too enticing to any young player/s.

I doubt any young players would even be interested in the Spurs these days.

Did they really kick Simmons to the curb tho?

[TheGreatYacht]

LOL, exactly. Free agents (young ones especially) will be turned off seeing the Spurs not playing young players (Murray) while also kicking others to the curb (Simmons) and low-ball them while overpaying for veterans and scrubs. That wouldn't look too enticing to any young player/s.

I doubt any young players would even be interested in the Spurs these days.
Truth bomb.

The only reason a young free agent would think of Gasol and all the other old fucks and scrubs on this team would be because they've taken up all the cap space. Gasol & Mills getting $98M. Parker, Manure, Fathead and Green's incoming "loyalty" contracts... that's not even counting Kawhi's possible (and well-deserved) super Max contract.

It's funny how all these players that the fluffers call "loyal" would leave in a second had PATFO not overpaid them. That includes Ginobili, who was Philly bound until he was shown the money truck

[cd98]

[QUOTE=Ice009;9106291]LOL, exactly. Free agents (young ones especially) will be turned off seeing the Spurs not playing young players (Murray) while also kicking others to the curb (Simmons) and low


Murray had a groin injury that cost him a ton of playing time. Plus, he mostly sucks except for 2 or 3 games.

[bklynspursfan]

Murray had a groin injury that cost him a ton of playing time. Plus, he mostly sucks except for 2 or 3 games.

I think people only remember the game vs Cleveland or something where he played probably his best game as a Spur. He def has a ways to go, hopefully he shows some improvements this season.

[Ice009]

I referred to Murray because he had a stretch of good games well before getting injured and then for no reason he was benched. I still don't understand why. Why was he not given more of a chance after starting a few games and playing well. It's fucking bullshit if you ask me.

[SpursforSix]

I referred to Murray because he had a stretch of good games well before getting injured and then for no reason he was benched. I still don't understand why. Why was he not given more of a chance after starting a few games and playing well. It's fucking bullshit if you ask me.

:pop: he acts a little too black for my taste

[ducks]

FUCK THE BLACK RAICIST POST

[SpursforSix]

FUCK THE BLACK RAICIST POST

:pop: my bad. He acts a little too black for my taste (no racist).

[cjw]

LOL, exactly. Free agents (young ones especially) will be turned off seeing the Spurs not playing young players (Murray) while also kicking others to the curb (Simmons) and low-ball them while overpaying for veterans and scrubs. That wouldn't look too enticing to any young player/s.

I doubt any young players would even be interested in the Spurs these days.

Yeah, making the WCF must not be appealing to FAs. Nor is developing from nothing and getting paid handsomely by another team. Heck, Patty is a great example of exactly what you say the Spurs DON'T do (as is Danny). Came over as late picks/undrafted and flourished. Both got taken care of by the Spurs.

Simmons wasn't kicked to the curb. He was actually bad all year and had to play when the team was in a pinch. He got his shot from the Spurs - not the other 29 teams - and is now being paid by another team. I'd way rather have Manu back for another year than overpay Simmons. Simmons on his Orlando deal is fine, but not on the deal he asked the Spurs for.

How many other teams are giving young players that were not lottery picks serious playing time while not being horrible?

Maybe think before you speak for once.



I referred to Murray because he had a stretch of good games well before getting injured and then for no reason he was benched. I still don't understand why. Why was he not given more of a chance after starting a few games and playing well. It's fucking bullshit if you ask me.

Maybe he took a while to fully recover? He's also extremely young, and need to take it slow. Not every 19 year old is Lebron physically. Also, he did kind of suck in summer league and couldn't bring the ball up the court vs. Houston.

[Ice009]

Maybe he took a while to fully recover? He's also extremely young, and need to take it slow. Not every 19 year old is Lebron physically. Also, he did kind of suck in summer league and couldn't bring the ball up the court vs. Houston.[/FONT]

What are you referring to here?

I'm talking about months before Murray got injured. He started a few games and played well. I don't remember him getting an injury at that point. Parker came back and he was benched without any court time. I don't see a good reason for it. His confidence was sky high at that point. I don't feel there was any reason to bench him and not give him court time to see what he could do. If he failed, then he would have been humbled and could have worked on what he needed to improve on.

[cjw]

What are you referring to here?

I'm talking about months before Murray got injured. He started a few games and played well. I don't remember him getting an injury at that point. Parker came back and he was benched without any court time. I don't see a good reason for it. His confidence was sky high at that point. I don't feel there was any reason to bench him and not give him court time to see what he could do. If he failed, then he would have been humbled and could have worked on what he needed to improve on.

He had four straight games that he started. Played well against both Denver and Cleveland, and was turnover and foul prone in the next two. He continued to see spot minutes until late February, when he started getting more time again before getting hurt.

I wish Pop had gotten him more playing time too before the injury, but he was rarely a DNP. He'll undoubtedly be getting his playing time this year. I actually think Pop liked what he saw in Patty/Parker lineups for spurts (3-4 minutes a half) so once Parker returns, don't think that means Murray's minutes get hit as much.

[SAGirl]

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[sasaint]

955256780300398594

What the...?!?!?! Not olé defense, but OLÉ defense...

[SAGirl]

What the...?!?!?! Not olé defense, but OLÉ defense...
:lol
There is so much to say about that video... first of all why is he screaming????
then, what was he doing there guarding a guy at the 3pt line?
it was just ridiculous...

[sasaint]

:lol
There is so much to say about that video... first of all why is he screaming????
then, what was he doing there guarding a guy at the 3pt line?
it was just ridiculous...

Yeah, that video is a real scream...

[Ice009]

:lol
There is so much to say about that video... first of all why is he screaming????
then, what was he doing there guarding a guy at the 3pt line?
it was just ridiculous...

lol, didn't you mention his screaming/yelling/shouting on defense last night. Funny that a video pops up showing him do it in a super pronounced way the very next day. I thought you were exaggerating his screaming on defense just a little bit, but it appears you were right on the money.

[JohnnyMax]

Ball don't lie on Gasol

Dude is now in that Varejao phase where his sole use is to flop around

[vander]

I feel a little bit sick. this is definitely the worst offseason I can remember and there is no hope that the Spurs will contend for a title in the next 3 years

I won't blame Kawhi for leaving

wow I don't remember posting that but...

[objective]

A disgrace.

This is the worst off season in the Robinson+ era.

They're a first round loser and won't have the cap room to improve, because they're locking up 30% of the cap in non starters.

Pathetic.

[spursistan]

Not only he's proven to be unplayable in 2 straight playoffs, but this faggot has apparently checked out a long time ago just because he isn't starting anymore..

One of the most disgusting Spur careers ever. (If you take money in consideration)..

[BatManu20]

Fuck this is depressing.


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[HarlemHeat37]

I don't know if it's just a matter of being old and I'm reading too much into it, but his body language and effort on the court has looked really bad for a long fucking time..

[DAF86]

The fuck are Pop and Buford doing?

Still trying to figure out.

[DPG21920]

Pau has always been about money. He’s proven that. Doesn’t make him a bad guy, but he got paid by SA. He doesn’t care anymore and he’s washed up as well as far as being a consistent contributor.

[Robz4000]

Trade. This. Fuck. Please. Thibs will prolly take him.

[spursistan]

Like I said I understand some loyalty shit to Mills, but to a TOSB mercenary who turned you down in 2014?

The fuck were they thinking..

[Ice009]

I'll tell you what the Spurs thought, they thought he could approximate what an old Tim Duncan could do, but they were dead wrong.

[Ellsworth]

Spurs probably thought that if they paid him well for being a crybaby, maybe he's brother would give them priority when his contract is up with Memphis :sleep

[DPG21920]

The funny thing is Pau had a higher PER (18.9), Win Shares (6), Win Shares Per 48 (.159), BPM (3.2) and VORP (2.4) than Manu yet people say Manu had the great season.

It’s interesting.

[Chinook]

Pau has always been about money. He’s proven that. Doesn’t make him a bad guy, but he got paid by SA. He doesn’t care anymore and he’s washed up as well as far as being a consistent contributor.

People on RealGM think he still has positive value. I hope the real GMs think the same way. Pau isn't a Jefferson-level anchor, but he's close.

[HarlemHeat37]

The funny thing is Pau had a higher PER (18.9), Win Shares (6), Win Shares Per 48 (.159), BPM (3.2) and VORP (2.4) than Manu yet people say Manu had the great season.

It’s interesting.

Pau's advanced metrics from January to April are fucking horrible:lol

Him and Danny had really strong starts to the season that kept their overall metrics much more respectable than their actual impact for the entire season..

Manu was really bad for like 2 months of the season, though..he looked finished in January..

[DAF86]

The funny thing is Pau had a higher PER (18.9), Win Shares (6), Win Shares Per 48 (.159), BPM (3.2) and VORP (2.4) than Manu yet people say Manu had the great season.

It’s interesting.

Manu is making 15 less millions per year. I wouldn't mind Pau for 2.5 millions per year, one bit.

[DPG21920]

Pau's advanced metrics from January to April are fucking horrible:lol

Him and Danny had really strong starts to the season that kept their overall metrics much more respectable than their actual impact for the entire season..

Manu was really bad for like 2 months of the season, though..he looked finished in January..

Sure, I agree, but even with a large part of the season tanking for Pau it didn’t sabotage the numbers overall for him as a regular season minutes soaker...

Manu, finished as a below average to negative player (not as bad as TP obviously but not overall very good over a replacement level player).

I love Manu and hate Pau - just talking about overall perception.

Even when you look at these playoffs statistically (small sample I know), it looks the same.

Pau: PER 17, Win Shares .2, Win Shares Per 48 .131, BPM .1, VORP 0

Manu: PER 14.6, Win Shares .1, Win Shares Per 48 .04, BPM 2.1, VORP .1

[DPG21920]

If SA can jettison Pau and Mills and give up just one first that would be big. Hopefully Mills playoffs played him into a value asset which is definitley possible.

[DAF86]

Sure, I agree, but even with a large part of the season tanking for Pau it didn’t sabotage the numbers overall for him as a regular season minutes soaker...

Manu, finished as a below average to negative player (not as bad as TP obviously but not overall very good over a replacement level player).

I love Manu and hate Pau - just talking about overall perception.

Even when you look at these playoffs statistically (small sample I know), it looks the same.

Pau: PER 17, Win Shares .2, Win Shares Per 48 .131, BPM .1, VORP 0

Manu: PER 14.6, Win Shares .1, Win Shares Per 48 .04, BPM 2.1, VORP .1

Bringing the Manu/Pau comparisson when one makes 7 times more money per year than the other. :lol

If Pau's salaray wasn't such a handicap on the team's offseason aspirations nobody would give a fuck about Pau. He's fine as the backup center. Just not at that price.

[DPG21920]

Bringing the Manu/Pau comparisson when one makes 7 times more money per year than the other. :lol

If Pau's salaray wasn't such a handicap on the team's offseason aspirations nobody would give a fuck about Pau. He's fine as the backup center. Just not at that price.

I disagree - I think money definitely plays a role, but preception is the bigger deal. Manu compared to Pau, if asked by 100 people regardless of money, who was much better in the season/playoffs statistically 100 would say Manu

[DAF86]

I disagree - I think money definitely plays a role, but preception is the bigger deal. Manu compared to Pau, if asked by 100 people regardless of money, who was much better in the season/playoffs statistically 100 would say Manu

And they wouldn't be wrong, tbh. Sometimes you need to put stats into context. There's a reason Manu was out there with the season on the line QBing the offense while Pau could barely see playing time.

[DPG21920]

And they wouldn't be wrong, tbh. Sometimes you need to put stats into context. There's a reason Manu was out there with the season on the line QBing the offense while Pau could barely see playing time.

Manu threw the ball away in the biggest moment of the game :lol Maybe Pau should have been in tbh..

[DAF86]

Manu threw the ball away in the biggest moment of the game :lol Maybe Pau should have been in tbh..

Without Manu out there running the offense the game would have been out of reach by that point. But whatever, keep trolling just because you are mad I called you out.

[DPG21920]

Without Manu out there running the offense the game would have been out of reach by that point. But whatever, keep trolling just because you are mad I called you out.

I just provided facts and stats. Please feel free to develop a counter argument to what I have presented.

[Stabula]

Manu threw the ball away in the biggest moment of the game :lol Maybe Pau should have been in tbh..

That turn over.... :/

[DAF86]

I just provided facts and stats. Please feel free to develop a counter argument to what I have presented.

I just did. Now you are feel free to disagree but acting as if I haven't brought the points about Pau's salaray and the fact that Manu was out there, with the season on the line, having to act as the only Spurs capable offense initiatior at age 41 is as dishonest as saying Manu has had a full year looking as done as Tony did this season. Apparently dishonesty is your thing.

[DPG21920]

I just did. Now you are feel free to disagree but acting as if I haven't brought the points about Pau's salaray and the fact that Manu was out there, with the season on the line, having to act as the only Spurs capable offense initiatior at age 41 is as dishonest as saying Manu has has a full year looking as done as Tony did this season. Apparently dishonesty is your thing.

You did? :lol Please show me where you developed a counter argument using stats to back up your perceptions and to counter what I presented.

You never talk basketball. You talk Manu. Your capitulation is glaring.

[gambit1990]

Manu is making 15 less millions per year. I wouldn't mind Pau for 2.5 millions per year, one bit.
exactly what i was about to say.

[DPG21920]

exactly what i was about to say.

What does money have to do with on court performance? Manu was making 14M just last season and had a PER of 13.9.

[DPG21920]

What I did is paint you into a corner intentionally for two reasons:

You never talk real basketball.

To make a point that you yourself don’t use context when you do speak.

[DAF86]

You did? :lol Please show me where you developed a counter argument using stats to back up your perceptions and to counter what I presented.

You never talk basketball. You talk Manu. Your capitulation is glaring.

Yeah, I have never talked Kawhi, Aldridge, Tony, Duncan, Gasol, Paul, Lebron, etc. But then again, I know I'm dealing with a dishonest motherfucker. :lol

And the stats are the stats you provided (I guess, I didn't even care to check, which knowing you is probably a mistake, but whatever). What other stats do you want me to provide? So instead of stats, I provided some context by coming up with facts, like for example: Manu was the QB of the Spurs with the season on the line, while Pau was sitting on the bench. That's probably why most people think Manu was better than Pau this season. Because when it was winning time you could count on Manu and not so much on Pau.

[DAF86]

What does money have to do with on court performance? Manu was making 14M just last season and had a PER of 13.9.

Manu didn't have another 14 millions season handicapping the cap space after that one. The money Manu made that season was irrelevant on the Spurs roster aspirations.

"Paint you into a corner". :lol

Guy freaking out about Manu saying he was an atheist trying to play the "I'm intelectually superior" card. :lol

[daslicer]

You did? :lol Please show me where you developed a counter argument using stats to back up your perceptions and to counter what I presented.

You never talk basketball. You talk Manu. Your capitulation is glaring.

:lmao

[DPG21920]

Yeah, I have never talked Kawhi, Aldridge, Tony, Duncan, Gasol, Paul, Lebron, etc. But then again, I know I'm dealing with a dishonest motherfucker. :lol

And the stats are the stats you provided (I guess, I didn't even care to check, which knowing you is probably a mistake, but whatever). What other stats do you want me to provide? So instead of stats, I provided some context by coming up with facts, like for example: Manu was the QB of the Spurs with the season on the line, while Pau was sitting on the bench. That's probably why most people think Manu was better than Pau this season. Because when it was winning time you could count on Manu and not so much on Pau.

But the Spurs won one game and Manu turned it over :lol. Could you really count on him if that was the result? Just being in, does not mean he did well.

When TP was in the game does that mean it was because he was doing well and you couldn’t trust anyone else? Or is that only with Manu regardless of results?

[DPG21920]

Manu didn't have another 14 millions season handicapping the cap space after that one. The money Manu made that season was irrelevant on the Spurs roster aspirations.

"Paint you into a corner". :lol

Guy freaking out about Manu saying he was an atheist trying to play the "I'm intelectually superior" card. :lol

Freaking out? Not at all. But now that you have been exposed and called out by others, the claws come out :lol

[DAF86]

Freaking out? Not at all. But now that you have been exposed and called out by others, the claws come out :lol

Please, show me an example of somebody calling me out and exposing me on this matter. :lol

[DPG21920]

Me, Chinook. Been plenty of others. In fact, you played yourself. I said you are incapable of talking basketball, framing a logical argument and presenting your case and what do you do? You try to take the convo from basketball to religion :lol

[DAF86]

Me, Chinook. Been plenty of others. In fact, you played yourself. I said you are incapable of talking basketball, framing a logical argument and presenting your case and what do you do? You try to take the convo from basketball to religion :lol

I have talked plenty basketball and I will continue doing so. I just couldn't let a guy, that thinks that someone saying that he doesn't believe in all-mighty being is some super controversial thing to say, talk to me as if he had the intelectual capacity of painting me into any kind of corner, tbh. :lol

BTW, I guess you realized how easy it was for me to escape from this imaginary corner you had me in, right? :lol

[DPG21920]

I have talked plenty basketball and I will continue doing so. I just couldn't let a guy, that thinks that someone saying that he doesn't believe in all-mighty being is some super controversial thing to say, talk to me as if he had the intelectual capacity of painting me into any kind of corner, tbh. :lol

Well you did my friend. Sorry Charlie :lol

[DAF86]

Well you did my friend. Sorry Charlie :lol

"sorry Charlie"? :lol

That's some top intelectual, athesit freaking, paint you into the corner, notch shit right there, tbh. :lol :tu

[DPG21920]

It was a reference to a troll on here because that is exactly what I was doing

[DAF86]

Top notch trolling reference son.

[SAGirl]

If SA can jettison Pau and Mills and give up just one first that would be big. Hopefully Mills playoffs played him into a value asset which is definitley possible.
Spurs are keeping both. Don’t delude yourself.
Davis and Kyle have bigger chances of getting snatched up . Heck Spurs may keep Bryn Forbes since he might come back on a minimum deal. Just the way it is.
Danny might be gone as we discussed in the other thread though it wouldn’t surprise me to see him back either...

[Chinook]

#CulbernLives

[TheGreatYacht]

I think you are correct. Posters around here that keep asking this, think about this for a while....Kawhi keeps talking about winning Championships over the MVP and other individual awards. Either he's saying the right thing, or like I think/believe, he really doesn't give a shit about those awards and only cares about Championships.

If he has a burning desire to win, how the fuck do you think all these moves will sit with him? Not being able to compete for a Championship, I don't think he will like that at all. Think about that for a while next time anyone asks if he might leave. His goals seem to be team oriented, and it seems that the Spurs are doing a poor job at that side of things. Kawhi cannot be happy with that. He very well could ask to be traded before his contract is even up for renewal.
Truth bomb of the decade bro

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi loading up the '97 Tahoe bound for Cali as we speak. :lol

I feel a little bit sick. this is definitely the worst offseason I can remember and there is no hope that the Spurs will contend for a title in the next 3 years

I won't blame Kawhi for leaving

Kawhi pretty soon in his Tahoe

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ot2L9tbvGjI/Ufh1_QvL1SI/AAAAAAAA21w/AR0pofJwZR8/s1600/Lincoln++CA+to+Leander++TX+++Google+Maps.png

Can't wait for the "Spurs still second best in the West, nobody else improved"

Kawhi is definitely leaving next summer, no fucking way will this decrepit roster be worth sticking around for.

Lol, you guys are scaring me. Do y'all honestly think it's a real possibility that Kawhi leaves eventually? Serious question. If he leaves, this franchise is fucked.

Spurstalk "trolls": 10928492
PATFO fluffers - -1

[Spurs fever]

Gasol is definitely not happy with his role on the team. This season is a mess.

[TheCerebral1]

Gasol is definitely not happy with his role on the team. This season is a mess.

His play dictates that he's washed up, grizzled with a "got off my lawn" mindset.

[r0drig0lac]

i'm out http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smibang.gif

sad

[Leetonidas]

Maybe the spurs will trade him in a year and half in and get Belinelli back. :lol

If only I got the other half right :depressed

[timtonymanu]

This deal will always piss me off.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

This is very easily the worst signing in Spurs history.

[baseline bum]

I just fucking knew Pau opting out to take less was bullshit, and that they would hand him a loyalty contract anyway. And, like you, just know that Tony and Kyle will get one too.

So what will Tony get everyone? 3 years 30 million?
What about Kyle? 3 years 28 million?

Amazing that Fathead actually got that same contract but prorated to four years.

[baseline bum]

I mean what the fuck is RC going to do next? Trade Kawhi to New York for Melo?

Damn I was close, traded him to Toronto for Poor Man's Melo.

[timtonymanu]

:lmao Kawhi packing his bags as we speak

Robstradamus :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

The fucking retards here that justified this signing because of his loyalty and culture :lmao

There will never be a more vanilla group of folks than the patfo fluffers that post here daily

[RD2191]

Robstradamus :lol

:lol

[Coach X]

It’s Eubanks time. Popovich likes him and he has looked more NBA ready than higher potentials Walker and Metu. I’m ok giving him 5-10 games as the third big and see how he performs.

[Truth4sale$]

Spurs should try out as many 3and D players as possible. See if anybody remains overlooked and are worth a damn.

[RC_Drunkford]

Joe Johnson? Jason Terry? Tony Allen? We need somebody who can fill the role of Pau's veteran presence. Then resign them in the offseason to replace that loyalty contract

[SuperCam]

https://twitter.com/paugasol/status/1120529939252555776

congratulations on reaching the 2nd round :tu

[DAF86]

:lol Just look at the posts on this thread. Everybody except the usual semen shielding sheeps like DPG21920 knew exactly how this would end.

It really is worrisome for the future of this franchise that PATFO thought it wasn't complete madness to make this kind of deal (as well as others, like the Mills and Tony's extensions, and getting such little return in the Kawhi trade). Hopefully they have learned from their mistakes. There's no point in making good draft choices if you are going to, later, fuck it up with dumb free agency moves.

[DPG21920]

I hated the Gasol deal.

[spurraider21]

I mean what the fuck is RC going to do next? Trade Kawhi to New York for Melo?
toronto for derozan, but not far off

[RC_Drunkford]

Pau was the Spurs best defender. He had a better defensive net rating than Poeltl. Imagine what we could do to the Nuggets if we still had him on the roster

[Shakril]

Pau was the Spurs best defender. He had a better defensive net rating than Poeltl. Imagine what we could do to the Nuggets if we still had him on the roster

You are drunk, otherwise such nonsense would not come out of your fingertips.

[DAF86]

I hated the Gasol deal.

That still didn't prevent you from trying to shift the atention from the awful signing by posting things like these:


The funny thing is Pau had a higher PER (18.9), Win Shares (6), Win Shares Per 48 (.159), BPM (3.2) and VORP (2.4) than Manu yet people say Manu had the great season.

It’s interesting.

[DAF86]

You are drunk, otherwise such nonsense would not come out of your fingertips.
Chinook. dis' brotha callin' you drunk.

[Dverde]

Pau was the Spurs best defender. He had a better defensive net rating than Poeltl. Imagine what we could do to the Nuggets if we still had him on the roster

If we still have grumpy Pau, Spurs would have the 8 seeed playing GSW. He probably would have been helpful in this series, but good riddancez

[RC_Drunkford]

You are drunk, otherwise such nonsense would not come out of your fingertips.


If we still have grumpy Pau, Spurs would have the 8 seeed playing GSW. He probably would have been helpful in this series, but good riddancez

I'm just trolling Chinook's intelligent basketball take

[DPG21920]

That still didn't prevent you from trying to shift the atention from the awful signing by posting things like these:

:lol that was very obviously me trolling Manu fan

[DAF86]

:lol that was very obviously me trolling Manu fan

Interesting choice of time to troll Manu fans, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Interesting choice of time to troll Manu fans, tbh.

I guess - seemed appropriate at the time. It’s pretty clear what I thought about the signing once the details were known tbh..

[baseline bum]

:lmao

:depressed

[RC_Drunkford]

let's be happy that he will still be on the Spurs pay roll next year. Taking 5.1 Million of cap space by not even being on the roster. Great job RC

[spurraider21]

Patty/Gasol contracts... among the worst deals we've seen this FO give out. TP's 3/45 was bad, as was RJ's 4 year deal.

TP was an albatross in rapid decline, we had to give up a first rounder just to dump RJ, which is a shame considering how good the FO has been at getting quality players with late 1's

[timtonymanu]

:lol retirement checks to a guy who beat you in the playoffs 10 years ago

[objective]

Giving a loyalty contract to a guy who turned the Spurs down before he was too washed up and then having that same scrub demand a release to join a real contender is just awesome

Same with Finley. That guy was a washed up bum who by the end of the 07 playoffs was obviously on his last legs ... They give him the game ball! And he then gets his relatively small but still underserved loyalty deal where he shits all over the court for 2.5 seasons before asking to be released so he can join a real contender.

It's perfect.

And yet Kawhi, one of the best players in the league, finals mvp, mvp candidate, singlehandedly had the Spurs up big in GS game 1, supposedly couldn't even get a superMax contract commitment from the jump.

The Spurs and their loyalty issues are bizarre

[RC_Drunkford]

Rudy Gay is next. 3 years/40 million

[TXstbobcat]

Rudy Gay is next. 3 years/40 million

Jesus Christ NO!!! :rollin

[objective]

Rudy Gay is next. 3 years/40 million

That cheap?

I'm guessing that year 3 will only be partially guaranteed. Like maybe 7-9 million guaranteed. Enough to still screw with the cap the year after he's been released midseason in year 2 to go ring Chase

[RC_Drunkford]

That cheap?

I'm guessing that year 3 will only be partially guaranteed. Like maybe 7-9 million guaranteed. Enough to still screw with the cap the year after he's been released midseason in year 2 to go ring Chase

it would certainly be a very tradeable contract. We might be able to get a nice young player back for that

[weeks]

Was this the beginning of the end? What a ride

[slick'81]

What a joke:rollin

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop gave him a loyalty contract for absolutely no reason and this is how he repays him:lol

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[TimDunkem]

Pop gave him a loyalty contract for absolutely no reason and this is how he repays him:lol

1254598700011151360

Hey he played 62 games and waited a whole week on a beach in Spain for his next payday so the Spurs could "sign talent". Deserved every penny of that 50 mill. :smokin

[lefty]

Well Pau won titles with Phil but not with Poop

Can't blame him for that tweet bh

[Chinook]

Was this the beginning of the end? What a ride

Nah. The deal was a response in large part to Kawhi wanted LMA traded for CP3, Kyrie or George. By then, things were already broken.

[DPG21920]

Nah. The deal was a response in large part to Kawhi wanted LMA traded for CP3, Kyrie or George. By then, things were already broken.

Maybe but this was making sure things stayed broken. Didn’t change the team and guaranteed they couldn’t for foreseeable future as well.

Disaster.

[Collins21]

Maybe but this was making sure things stayed broken. Didn’t change the team and guaranteed they couldn’t for foreseeable future as well.

Disaster.

Leonard wasn't staying in San Antonio for any reason. Maybe just maybe he didn't like his teammates and nothing thy could have done could have made him stay!!! Now Pau being signed to that gross contract is one thing that is disturbing on it's own but it had no effect on Leonard leaving. I would say the signing of Gay over his buddies played a huger role in the situation than Pau deal.

[Chinook]

Maybe but this was making sure things stayed broken. Didn’t change the team and guaranteed they couldn’t for foreseeable future as well.

Disaster.

Stars making demands almost never ends up good for the roster. Kawhi wanted the Spurs to get a star, the team set up a trade for Aldridge to make room and had a deal in place with Pau to fill in the gaps. Houston squicked the Spurs by trading for Paul before free agency. We've gone over the math of the Gasol deal a ton now. No one likes its structure. But it didn't make Leonard leave nor prevent him from staying.

[TD 21]

Don't forget, Pop basically ended his career as any sort of a prominent player. Granted, it was the domino effect from the infamous trade and changing times: Aldridge had to play center and Poeltl had to play period . . . but that doesn't make it any easier to accept from his perspective.

As witnessed time and time again, once a player is reduced to a minimal role, it's hard to shake that.



Nah. The deal was a response in large part to Kawhi wanted LMA traded for CP3, Kyrie or George. By then, things were already broken.

? Scumbag wanting one of the superstars or stars from the in crowd may have been a periphery issue, but make no mistake, what he really wanted (or was brainwashed into believing he should) was what he was never going to receive here but now has, which is all the things associated with the contemporary superstar, most notably attention and credit.

[Chinook]

? Scumbag wanting one of the superstars or stars from the in crowd may have been a periphery issue, but make no mistake, what he really wanted (or was brainwashed into believing he should) was what he was never going to receive here but now has, which is all the things associated with the contemporary superstar, most notably attention and credit.

That's true. But Leonard demanded the team acquire a star, and the team attempted to accommodate him the summer they re-signed Gasol. Kawhi was probably going to leave no matter what (though I think Leonard wanted to stay in SA way more than Toronto), but that doesn't mean he wasn't trying to throw his weight around years before he actually demanded a trade.

[phxspurfan]

Scumbag wanting one of the superstars or stars from the in crowd may have been a periphery issue, but make no mistake, what he really wanted (or was brainwashed into believing he should) was what he was never going to receive here but now has, which is all the things associated with the contemporary superstar, most notably attention and credit.

Pretty sure he could do without the attention. He's autistic af tbh. Credit, sure. (At least a) Second star, yup. Coach that treats him like royalty, mmmm yeah. LA, most definitely. Attention, not really. He doesn't seek attention like whores of LeBron/CP3/KD ilk.