John McCain is an American hero!

[DMX7]

Thank you for your service to our great country (which has never not been great), Senator McCain.

You courageously served our country in the military.

You didn't vote for Donald Trump.

You totally humiliated the Trump administration and the GOP leadership in Congress.

And you did the latter while fighting the good fight against cancer.

You are a hero!!!

[hater]

Lol first cheering for neocon Shillary and now Mcneocon

Democrats are in such a sad state its not even funny anymore

[boutons_deux]

grandstanding McLiar stood on the shoulders of two women who made the difference, not McLiar.

[DMX7]

Lol first cheering for neocon Shillary and now Mcneocon

Democrats are in such a sad state its not even funny anymore

Cheering for Hillary? You're delusional. I've stated many times I don't like Hillary. I was even willing to give Trump a chance but that guy has been a joke.

[DMX7]

grandstanding McLiar stood on the shoulders of two women who made the difference, not McLiar.

Fool, what's the vote count if McCain votes "yes"? Huh, stupid?

[Reck]

He's getting all the credit but there were two old ladies that made Trump their bitches too.

What an embarrassment.

[Trill Clinton]

http://i.imgur.com/fkmbIjT.gif

[Trill Clinton]

He's getting all the credit but there were two old ladies that made Trump their bitches too.

What an embarrassment.

true

[DMX7]

Here's the play-by-play breakdown with slomo:

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[Chris]

For all those who believe John McCain is a hero, or even a patriot: “Songbird” McCain is no hero! Trump was right!
John McCain is a career parasite. He is not a hero. He was shot down in Vietnam because he violated orders and was hotdogging at low altitude over Hanoi and the North Vietnamese shot him down.
His mangled shoulders that he claims came from torture by his North Vietnamese captors? Not so much. According to those who spent time at the Hanoi Hilton will attest, McCain was never tortured during his time in North Vietnam. In fact he was given special privileges and special treatment because he freely gave the North Vietnamese all the information they asked for whenever they asked for it, which is why the commander and staff at the Hanoi Hilton called him “Songbird.” He also made 30 propaganda broadcasts for the North Vietnamese. Hero, I don't think so!
In reality, Songbird McCain injured both of his shoulders because he violated Navy SOP when he ejected from his dying aircraft, breaking both shoulders in the process.
From a Powdered Wig article a year ago, citing Veterans Today, there was a list of “33 POWs (who) faced execution for treason after Vietnam until Nixon pardoned all POWs. McCain was on the list of the 33, in fact at the head of it.”
That’s the kind of hero Songbird McCain was then and that’s the kind of hero Songbird McCain is today."
Prior to being a "songbird"...
"John McCain, fighter pilot aboard the USS Forrestal carrier, was inadvertently but recklessly responsible for the devastating fire aboard that ship in 1967. According to witnesses, McCain was waiting to taxi into the launch and was in front of another fighter jet. During this time, he pulled a sophomoric trick called a "wet start" which is to blow flame through the exhaust. This trick set off a missile on the plane behind him, igniting an explosion and fire. McCain then abandoned his plane in panic, and in the process dropped two of his own unexploded bombs on the deck. These bombs were caught in the ensuing blaze and exploded, igniting an inferno that eventually killed 134 crewmen. McCain, was immediately sequestered and kept from an enraged and vigilante crew who knew what he'd done. Calls were made to his father, a Navy admiral. Shortly after the fire was extinguished McCain was secretly hustled to an arriving helicopter and removed from the plane. No charges were brought against him, and the official story of the fire did not identify him or his actions as the cause of the catastrophe.
McCain, who finished 394th out of a class of 399 at the Naval Academy, but who was the wealthy son of an active admiral, had been ushered into flight school despite his poor and disqualifying academic credentials. Much like his academic record, he was a poor student pilot and was not considered a "top gun" by his peers, though he learned to fly. In his brief career as a lackluster pilot before being downed and captured, he had destroyed airplanes on 4 previous events and was considered by his peers to be incompetent.

So you bleeding hearts; do your homeowrk before considering someone a "hero" ...... he's a freaking traitor, that's all he is!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[boutons_deux]

Fool, what's the vote count if McCain votes "yes"? Huh, stupid?

fool, what's the vote count if the two ladies vote "yes", huh, stupid? (corrected :) )

[Thread]

He's just fortunate he's dying. Or, you'd a got killed last nite.

[rmt]

fool, what's the vote count if the two ladies vote "no", huh, stupid?

boutons, you're not thinking clearly - they did vote "no." If McCain voted "yes," the skinny repeal passes. You must need to sleep.

[ducks]

grandstanding McLiar stood on the shoulders of two women who made the difference, not McLiar.

Yes it was females that made the difference
Males are just stupid especilly white ones according to you
News for you sanders male and white

[AaronY]

USA! USA! USA!

[Th'Pusher]

boutons, you're not thinking clearly - they did vote "no." If McCain voted "yes," the skinny repeal passes. You must need to sleep.

He voted no. Be honest. You'd have taken his life if you had the opportunity before last night, wouldn't you?

[rmt]

He voted no. Be honest. You'd have taken his life if you had the opportunity before last night, wouldn't you?

I know he voted no - I was just pointing out an error that boutons has since corrected. You are mistaken if you think that I would take someone's life - even that of that not thinking about the people in his state with over 100% premium increases Senator. I know what this law does to small businesses in particular so while some of you liberals are celebrating, think about the people who have no choice but to buy this overpriced, expensive health insurance (that's if it's offered in their county) and if these premium rises continue at this rate, those who will not be able to afford it and drop. I know it's easy to forget about them when you have good employer-sponsored insurance or free government insurance as I do but I do not forget when dh worked for mainly small businesses and the struggle they have with insurance. And remember small businesses are the life blood of the country - that's the way so many before us achieved the American dream and provided jobs.

[Trill Clinton]

this woman saved millions of americans lives with her bravery and steadfastness. its rare to see a politician who puts her country first these days!

890966576811388929

[Reck]

I know he voted no - I was just pointing out an error that boutons has since corrected. You are mistaken if you think that I would take someone's life - even that of that not thinking about the people in his state with over 100% premium increases Senator. I know what this law does to small businesses in particular so while some of you liberals are celebrating, think about the people who have no choice but to buy this overpriced, expensive health insurance (that's if it's offered in their county) and if these premium rises continue at this rate, those who will not be able to afford it and drop. I know it's easy to forget about them when you have good employer-sponsored insurance or free government insurance as I do but I do not forget when dh worked for mainly small businesses and the struggle they have with insurance. And remember small businesses are the life blood of the country - that's the way so many before us achieved the American dream and provided jobs.

It still beats the shitty skinny repeal which would have kicked off about 16 million people off healthcare and would increase premiums by 20% every year.

If healthy young people leave, the older, sicker people would have to front the full amount of money. For a party that counts on old people to vote for them in every election, they sure would have fucked them over with this plan.

The people would have suffered the most was their own base.

[boutons_deux]

"when dh worked for mainly small businesses and the struggle they have with insurance."

Medicare for all totally unloads that burden from ALL businesses.

All the companies do is forward a slice of paycheck for Medicare health insurance to the Feds, just like they do know for withholding income tax, SS, workers comp, Medicare.

BigInsurance and their capitalist shareholders have totally fucked up America, one of many ways the oligarchy fucks up America for profit.

[ducks]

this woman saved millions of americans lives with her bravery and steadfastness. its rare to see a politician who puts her country first these days!

890966576811388929she did not put her country first
she put her pockets first

[Thread]

she did not put her country first
she put her pockets first

She's a shit. I wish McCain would give her a piece of his mind.

[Trill Clinton]

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https://i.imgur.com/QifJ4NM.gif

[florige]

Lol first cheering for neocon Shillary and now Mcneocon

Democrats are in such a sad state its not even funny anymore



You act like all dem's who voted for Hillary were rampant supporters of her. She was flawed big time and most people I know just voted for her to keep Trump out. I wasn't fired up running to the polls.

[AaronY]

891017513995182080

https://i.imgur.com/QifJ4NM.gif
He's a true American hero for what he did tbh

[Thread]

He's a true American hero for what he did tbh

Please. He's a dying man making the graveyard walk.

[Mitch]

:lol fellating a guy that'd vote for war with Russia in an instance

[baseline bum]

You act like all dem's who voted for Hillary were rampant supporters of her. She was flawed big time and most people I know just voted for her to keep Trump out. I wasn't fired up running to the polls.

I only voted for her because of Ryan and McConnell.

[AaronY]

Please. He's a dying man making the graveyard walk.

Isn't that just like you choosing a fat slob draft dodger and devout pussy over an American hero like McCain. sad cubby sad.

[baseline bum]

she did not put her country first
she put her pockets first

No that was Capito

[Adam Lambert]

:lol fellating a guy that'd vote for war with Russia in an instance

in what instance?

[AaronY]

And to think all the shit you gave Ali about dodging the draft and now you're a Trump supporter smh

[rmt]

"when dh worked for mainly small businesses and the struggle they have with insurance."

Medicare for all totally unloads that burden from ALL businesses.

All the companies do is forward a slice of paycheck for Medicare health insurance to the Feds, just like they do know for withholding income tax, SS, workers comp, Medicare.

BigInsurance and their capitalist shareholders have totally fucked up America, one of many ways the oligarchy fucks up America for profit.




What % of our paycheck do you think it would take to cover the ongoing health care of every single person (I'm assuming you want to cover illegals too) in America when we contribute our entire working life (before age 65) to Medicare and SS, only use them after age 65 and the programs are still unsustainable? A very high % that Americans would be unwilling to pay, I'd guess - as evidenced by Vermont and Colorado.

[Th'Pusher]

What % of our paycheck do you think it would take to cover the ongoing health care of every single person (I'm assuming you want to cover illegals too) in America when we contribute our entire working life (before age 65) to Medicare and SS, only use them after age 65 and the programs are still unsustainable? A very high % that Americans would be unwilling to pay, I'd guess - as evidenced by Vermont and Colorado.

Your little equation isn't quite fit until you take into account your employer's total cost to employ you. Let's just say you make $100k per year. It's going to cost your employer $125k to $140k to employ you. Now take out what you, the employee, pays toward healthcare. What you're asking is, how much additional would the employee be willing to pay for single payer healthcare.

[cd021]

she did not put her country first
she put her pockets first

Saving 16 million people from losing insurance is putting her country 1st. Not sure how it isn't.

[ducks]

That was. Not going to be final bill

[baseline bum]

That was. Not going to be final bill

Yes it was. The house was going to pass it once the conference committee went nowhere.

[clambake]

:lol fellating a guy that'd vote for war with Russia in an instance:lol fellating a guy that felates putin.

[Mitch]

:lol fellating a guy that felates putin.

"muh Russias even tho he's signing Russian sanctions" :lol

[monosylab1k]

"muh Russias even tho he's signing Russian sanctions" :lol

:lmao like he has a fucking choice. Got cucked by his own party :lmao

[Mitch]

:lmao like he has a fucking choice. Got cucked by his own party :lmao

"he's got no choice, demokratz got a gun 2 his head" :lol

He can refuse just like Obama refused to sign a ocare repeal. No Russian collusion with #45, unlike certain Senate members and 2 time presidential nominees

[Thread]

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[baseline bum]

"he's got no choice, demokratz got a gun 2 his head" :lol

He can refuse just like Obama refused to sign a ocare repeal. No Russian collusion with #45, unlike certain Senate members and 2 time presidential nominees

It passed both houses with veto proof majorities unlike the first 60 Obamacare repeals.

[baseline bum]

:lol fellating a guy that felates putin.

:lmao

[AaronY]

891402021508493312

Not a draft dodger tho...


Had that stood, Trump would have been drafted.

But Trump had a physical exam in September 1968. He had taken one less than two years earlier that did not disqualify him for service as we can tell from his 1-A classification in July 1968. However, his second physical was followed in October with a new classification, 1-Y. That designation put him near the bottom of any call-up list. It meant he would only be drafted if there were a national emergency.

Until recently, the only detail on record about that shift was it was medically related. After his comments about McCain, Trump said it had to do with bone spurs in his heels. Trump reportedly (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-evades-specifics-on-his-draft-deferment-120330.html) was active in college sports, playing baseball, tennis and squash.

[monosylab1k]

"he's got no choice, demokratz got a gun 2 his head" :lol

He can refuse just like Obama refused to sign a ocare repeal. No Russian collusion with #45, unlike certain Senate members and 2 time presidential nominees

Do you just not understand how this works?

[Th'Pusher]

Do you just not understand how this works?

Clearly he doesn't. People who don't understand the basic rules of government should be banned from participating in the political forum. TBH.

[rmt]

Your little equation isn't quite fit until you take into account your employer's total cost to employ you. Let's just say you make $100k per year. It's going to cost your employer $125k to $140k to employ you. Now take out what you, the employee, pays toward healthcare. What you're asking is, how much additional would the employee be willing to pay for single payer healthcare.

Are you saying that it costs $25-40k just to insure me? I and all the government employees around me pay nothing for our health insurance. We are also offered a better plan with more bells and whistles that we have to contribute for but unless one expects to use a lot of healthcare, usually they pass on the Cadillac version. And remember all workers are not just paying for themselves but for all the unemployed, illegals, children, etc. And the low-income workers are going to pay the same % taxed on the very first dollar as SS & Medicare are? Sounds like the poor will rebel because now they pay nothing and get Medicaid if they're in an expansion state - right? Single payer replaces ACA?

[Th'Pusher]

Are you saying that it costs $25-40k just to insure me? I and all the government employees around me pay nothing for our health insurance. We are also offered a better plan with more bells and whistles that we have to contribute for but unless one expects to use a lot of healthcare, usually they pass on the Cadillac version. And remember all workers are not just paying for themselves but for all the unemployed, illegals, children, etc. And the low-income workers are going to pay the same % taxed on the very first dollar as SS & Medicare are? Sounds like the poor will rebel because now they pay nothing and get Medicaid if they're in an expansion state - right? Single payer replaces ACA?

I gotta say I love the fact that you're a government employee. You whine incessantly about the teat that feeds you :lol Federal or state?

[Pavlov]

Are you saying that it costs $25-40k just to insure me? I and all the government employees around me pay nothing for our health insurance.So just make everyone in the country pay nothing for health insurance. That way it won't cost anything.

Problem solved.

[DarrinS]

So just make everyone in the country pay nothing for health insurance. That way it won't cost anything.

Problem solved.


Meh, just wait until you're really sick. Then get Obamacare. Pre-existing condition? No problemo.

Kind of like getting into an accident, then getting collision coverage.

[boutons_deux]

Joltin Joe Biden "got to" McLiar and made an impassioned plea for "no"

[rmt]

I gotta say I love the fact that you're a government employee. You whine incessantly about the teat that feeds you :lol Federal or state?

County - just started a month ago. Well, I'm not sure how well that teat feeds me as I had to restart at the bottom of the pay scale (so I earned more 22 years ago than I do now :-) but it will add years to my pension calculation. However, I am grateful for the job since I haven't had a "real" job for over 2 decades. Thank God for old friends who go to bat for me after so long and for legacy COBOL code that still needs to be maintained. And I'm not really doing it for the money but to keep my brain active (worried about memory loss from diabetes) and to be around people since ds is at school all day long. Believe me, they're getting their money's worth - not many mainframe programmers around and certainly not any willing to work for this pittance. But as I tell my kids - it's all about attitude.

[Kim Jong-il]

County - just started a month ago. Well, I'm not sure how well that teat feeds me as I had to restart at the bottom of the pay scale (so I earned more 22 years ago than I do now :-) but it will add years to my pension calculation. However, I am grateful for the job since I haven't had a "real" job for over 2 decades. Thank God for old friends who go to bat for me after so long and for legacy COBOL code that still needs to be maintained. And I'm not really doing it for the money but to keep my brain active (worried about memory loss from diabetes) and to be around people since ds is at school all day long. Believe me, they're getting their money's worth - not many mainframe programmers around and certainly not any willing to work for this pittance. But as I tell my kids - it's all about attitude.
:lmao how do you feel about affirmative action, and the fact that you only have this job because of it?

[sickdsm]

Fuck McCain, Fuck Trump, Fuck Obama. Fuck paying $20k/year for garbage insurance. Fuck ACA. Fuck Trumpcare. No small business's can afford good health insurance, Every self employed around here sends the spouse to a govt funded job for health insurance.

Everyone knows govt. pays well above private business's with rediculous benefits.

[rmt]

:lmao how do you feel about affirmative action, and the fact that you only have this job because of it?

I disagree with affirmative action, and I don't have this job because of it. I have this job because I have 12 years experience on this same team and my 2 references are from supervisors who I worked with who are still on this team. It's nice to have friends in the right places and weird to see my initials/name in decades-old programs.

[Pavlov]

Meh, just wait until you're really sick. Then get Obamacare. Pre-existing condition? No problemo.

Kind of like getting into an accident, then getting collision coverage.Republicans like you could have fixed that in the last seven years.

You prefer idle bitching.

[rmt]

Fuck McCain, Fuck Trump, Fuck Obama. Fuck paying $20k/year for garbage insurance. Fuck ACA. Fuck Trumpcare. No small business's can afford good health insurance, Every self employed around here sends the spouse to a govt funded job for health insurance.

Everyone knows govt. pays well above private business's with rediculous benefits.

Unfortunately, that is so true. Everyone here is sitting on a golden retirement - most collecting pension (calculated with overtime, sick and vacation included) and salary (for 5 years) in the DROP program. And people think single payer will be less expensive/more efficient than private - LOL when they have to pay the pensions for the massive number of people to administer it.

[Kim Jong-il]

I disagree with affirmative action, and I don't have this job because of it. I have this job because I have 12 years experience on this same team and my 2 references are from supervisors who I worked with who are still on this team. It's nice to have friends in the right places and weird to see my initials/name in decades-old programs.
:lmao don't you claim to be a Jamaican gook woman? Sure, like they didn't think about how many boxes could be checked off by you being hired. But go ahead, tell yourself it's all because of how likeable you are :lmao

[rmt]

:lmao don't you claim to be a Jamaican gook woman? Sure, like they didn't think about how many boxes could be checked off by you being hired. But go ahead, tell yourself it's all because of how likeable you are :lmao

I'm not black. I'm Asian - which I don't think qualifies for affirmative action. If anything, there are a disproportionate number of Asians here (compared to % of population).

[DarrinS]

Republicans like you could have fixed that in the last seven years.

You prefer idle bitching.


Let that fucker die of natural causes. It was a bad idea with zero GOP support.

Where they failed was not having a better alternative. You can insure all the uninsured and sick, but someone's tax bill must go up. You can tax the richest, but there's not enough of them.

[Pavlov]

Where they failed was not having a better alternative.Or anything other than idle bitching.

[DarrinS]

Just tax the richest Americans

Gates
Bezos
Buffett
Zuckerberg
Ellison
Bloomberg
Koch
Koch
Paige
Brin

[DarrinS]

Or anything other than idle bitching.

There's no good alternative, tbh, unless you just raise taxes on the half of the country that pays taxes.

[rmt]

Let that fucker die of natural causes. It was a bad idea with zero GOP support.

Where they failed was not having a better alternative. You can insure all the uninsured and sick, but someone's tax bill must go up. You can tax the richest, but there's not enough of them.

The idea of insuring all the uninsured and sick sounds great but nobody wants to pay that much - as seen in Vermont and Colorado.

[spurraider21]

Just tax the richest Americans

Gates
Bezos
Buffett
Zuckerberg
Ellison
Bloomberg
Koch
Koch
Paige
Brin
i thought soros owned the world tbh

[Pavlov]

There's no good alternative, tbh, unless you just raise taxes on the half of the country that pays taxes.It's going to happen sooner or later. It'll just replace the stupid shell game we have going now.

[Th'Pusher]

The idea of insuring all the uninsured and sick sounds great but nobody wants to pay that much - as seen in Vermont and Colorado.

How were Vermont and Colorado dealing with employers mandatory federal taxes for healthcare? Were they having to pay in addition to the proposed state programs?

[sickdsm]

Unfortunately, that is so true. Everyone here is sitting on a golden retirement - most collecting pension (calculated with overtime, sick and vacation included) and salary (for 5 years) in the DROP program. And people think single payer will be less expensive/more efficient than private - LOL when they have to pay the pensions for the massive number of people to administer it.

It is but not sure of your age but pensions are like social security, anyone under the age of 35-45 knows damn well their not going to be paid. I feel like Tyler Durden (ironic since the whole ZeroHedge thing) but the only out is to blow it all up and start over. Single payer would help the fucked become the unfucked and the unfucked become the fucked. Even things out. People are dieing because of the current setup but everyone complains about the ones that will die.



Wait. You don't actually believe the generation that believes student loans should be forgiven will actually honor unpayable pensions, veteran benefits from BS "wars on freedom", and social security do you?


Here i thought you were the troll.

[boutons_deux]

The idea of insuring all the uninsured and sick sounds great but nobody wants to pay that much - as seen in Vermont and Colorado.

state-wide insurance pools in low-population states are tool small

although a smart high-population state, blue of course, like CA might work, but Brown, etc are owned by BigInsurance

the oligarchy pays politicians for protection

[rmt]

How were Vermont and Colorado dealing with employers mandatory federal taxes for healthcare? Were they having to pay in addition to the proposed state programs?

I think they were expecting to be exempt from it (through a waiver) - probably along with the individual mandate penalties. But on the other side, CA's single payer bill expected the Medicaid funds from the Feds.

[boutons_deux]

Hilarious that you rightwingnuts want to drag down public employees instead of pulling up private employees

"the market always provides the perfect solution" for Capital to fuck over, exploit Labor

[rmt]

It is but not sure of your age but pensions are like social security, anyone under the age of 35-45 knows damn well their not going to be paid. I feel like Tyler Durden (ironic since the whole ZeroHedge thing) but the only out is to blow it all up and start over. Single payer would help the fucked become the unfucked and the unfucked become the fucked. Even things out. People are dieing because of the current setup but everyone complains about the ones that will die.



Wait. You don't actually believe the generation that believes student loans should be forgiven will actually honor unpayable pensions, veteran benefits from BS "wars on freedom", and social security do you?


Here i thought you were the troll.

I'm in my mid-fifties so I'm pretty sure of my pension (surer than SS for sure) and Florida is in pretty good shape as far as their state retirement system. It's not gonna be much as I only have 12 years but anything is better than nothing.

[boutons_deux]

Hilarious that you rightwingnuts want to drag down public employees instead of pulling up private employees

"the market always provides the perfect solution" for Capital to fuck over, exploit Labor

[ducks]

McCain Is Too Unwell to Take Big Decisions, Like Voting

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mccain-too-unwell-big-decisions-160908174.html

[ducks]

Hilarious that you rightwingnuts want to drag down public employees instead of pulling up private employees

"the market always provides the perfect solution" for Capital to fuck over, exploit Laborif you know so Much run for office

[Will Hunting]

I'm not black. I'm Asian - which I don't think qualifies for affirmative action. If anything, there are a disproportionate number of Asians here (compared to % of population).
:lol you're allegedly a Jamaican Asian female. You'd be delusional if you think that demographic doesn't meet any affirmative action quotas.

[IronMexican]

It is but not sure of your age but pensions are like social security, anyone under the age of 35-45 knows damn well their not going to be paid. I feel like Tyler Durden (ironic since the whole ZeroHedge thing) but the only out is to blow it all up and start over. Single payer would help the fucked become the unfucked and the unfucked become the fucked. Even things out. People are dieing because of the current setup but everyone complains about the ones that will die.



Wait. You don't actually believe the generation that believes student loans should be forgiven will actually honor unpayable pensions, veteran benefits from BS "wars on freedom", and social security do you?


Here i thought you were the troll.

Not all too much on top of this, but what makes you say I won't get my pension? I have a 401k through my company and a pension(full ride after 30 years)

[Pavlov]

McCain Is Too Unwell to Take Big Decisions, Like Voting

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mccain-too-unwell-big-decisions-160908174.htmlAnyone who can annihilate the entire GOP on live C-Span while sparing two old ladies knows how to take big decisions.

[sickdsm]

state-wide insurance pools in low-population states are tool small

although a smart high-population state, blue of course, like CA might work, but Brown, etc are owned by BigInsurance

the oligarchy pays politicians for protection

All the fatfucks, diabetes having lazy people get govt jobs (or do they get that way after they get the jobs?) And the pool gets fucked.

[sickdsm]

Not all too much on top of this, but what makes you say I won't get my pension? I have a 401k through my company and a pension(full ride after 30 years)

When I firststarted shopping term life insurance ten years ago the ny met guy trigger pushing whole life policies. He tried reassuring me about the longevity of said policies becauseof ny life past history. The whole too big to fail deal. I've lost some equity on co-ops in the past going bankrupt and I've had deals with the govt fall through after they reneged. I've learned a bird in the hand is worth twoin the Bush.

How do you reassure a 37 yr old weekend they say the govt will pay them social security? I've told my you'd kids that there will be a time to sell their assets and move to another country, I don't know when that is but your a fool if you think this house of cards is to stand for another50 years. You do realize how messed up this country already is to elect Trump, don't you?

[sickdsm]

Hilarious that you rightwingnuts want to drag down public employees instead of pulling up private employees

"the market always provides the perfect solution" for Capital to fuck over, exploit Labor

Govt jobs are always the best in communist or socialist scenarios.


Why is it that cost of living wage increases under govt jobs ALWAYS far exceed real world increases?

[AaronY]

Just tax the richest Americans

Gates
Bezos
Buffett
Zuckerberg
Ellison
Bloomberg
Koch
Koch
Paige
Brin

Is this a joke? Because you're making sense and it seems bizarre and off-putting

[benefactor]

Poor ducks

[baseline bum]

How do you reassure a 37 yr old weekend they say the govt will pay them social security? I've told my you'd kids that there will be a time to sell their assets and move to another country, I don't know when that is but your a fool if you think this house of cards is to stand for another50 years. You do realize how messed up this country already is to elect Trump, don't you?

It sounds like we're the wetbacks in fifty years in your scenario, so what makes you think other countries are going to want Americans?

[sickdsm]

It sounds like we're the wetbacks in fifty years in your scenario, so what makes you think other countries are going to want Americans?
Pretty shallow minded of you to a assume they'd want us tbh.


And optimistic to think50 years.

[baseline bum]

Pretty shallow minded of you to a assume they'd want us tbh.


And optimistic to think50 years.

But you're telling your kids to leave America. If we're Mexico by then why would anyone want them? What if Canada builds a wall?

[Chucho]

Just tax the richest Americans

Gates
Bezos
Buffett
Zuckerberg
Ellison
Bloomberg
Koch
Koch
Paige
Brin


And don't let Apple operate at all in the states till they pay their fair share too. Must be nice to be the biggest profiteers of slavery and pay less in taxes than most of the people who cant afford their products, but still manage somehow.

[Pelicans78]

The stupid **** is like the inbreds in Alabama. They deserve their welfare, which you know this **** has used and abused because she's such a piece of shit, them evil black folk don't tho.

Of course the piece of shit referred to black people that worked for her father as hers, so the racist **** thinks all poor people are beneath contempt

She really does just need to beg her children for forgiveness for being such a piece of shit, and then eat a fucking bullet

In most cases, I would consider this outrageous, but after having endured her posts, I agree 100% with you.

[rmt]

:lol you're allegedly a Jamaican Asian female. You'd be delusional if you think that demographic doesn't meet any affirmative action quotas.

Maybe as a female in some CS or engineering school/program or perhaps the military - but so would 53?% of the population. Jamaican or Asian gets me nothing - Asian is a strike against - particularly in college admissions.

[sickdsm]

But you're telling your kids to leave America. If we're Mexico by then why would anyone want them? What if Canada builds a wall?

Again, who says we will be wanted? You seem to not understand that point. Theonly reason that Americans are welcomed into countries already is because of the money that they will spend.

[baseline bum]

Again, who says we will be wanted? You seem to not understand that point. Theonly reason that Americans are welcomed into countries already is because of the money that they will spend.

It's true, I'm not understanding your point when you're telling your kids to move out of the country when the shit supposedly hits the fan. Why is any first world country willing to take your kids in as America burns in your scenario? You think anyone is going to give a damn about American refugees after all the shit we have started since the 1950s?

[boutons_deux]

The Sanctimony and Sin of G.O.P. ‘Moderates’

McCain has been a crucial enabler of the Senate’s shame — and a world-class hypocrite to boot. On Tuesday,

he cast the decisive vote allowing this whole process to proceed, with no Democratic votes.

Then he gave a sanctimonious speech (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/us/politics/mccain-health-care-brain-cancer.html) denouncing partisanship and divisiveness, and declared that while he voted to allow debate to begin, he would never vote for the existing Senate bill without major changes.

And later that day, he voted for that very bill, even though, you guessed it, it hadn’t changed in any significant way.

But none of what is happening right now would be possible without the acquiescence of politicians who pretend to be open-minded, decry partisanship, tut-tut about incivility and act as enablers for the extremists again and again.

I started with McCain because so many journalists still fall for his pose as an independent-minded maverick, ignoring the reality that he has almost always been a reliable partisan yes-man whenever it matters.

Incredibly, some commentators actually praised his performance earlier this week,focusing on his noble-sounding words and ignoring his utterly craven actions. Senator Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia — whose state has benefited enormously from the Affordable Care Act. “I didn’t come here to hurt people,” she declared (http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-i-didn-t-come-here-to-hurt-people-republican-senator-978930243650) not long ago — then voted for a bill that would quadruple the number (http://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/bcrarevision0714_0.pdf) of uninsured in West Virginia.

Rob Portman of Ohio, who cultivates an image (http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170726/why-rob-portman-said-yes-on-health-care-vote) as a moderate, praises Medicaid and talked big about the defects of Republican health plans — but also voted for that bill. Hey, in Ohio the number of uninsured would only triple.

Dean Heller of Nevada, who has lauded his state’s federally financed Medicaid expansion, but voted along with McCain (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/dean-heller-defends-health-care-vote-240992) to let debate proceed on an unknown bill, very much putting that expansion at risk.

credit is due: two senators, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine, have stood up against the effort to betray every promise Republicans have made

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/opinion/columnists/trumpcare-republican-moderates.html

[baseline bum]

The Sanctimony and Sin of G.O.P. ‘Moderates’

McCain has been a crucial enabler of the Senate’s shame — and a world-class hypocrite to boot. On Tuesday,

he cast the decisive vote allowing this whole process to proceed, with no Democratic votes.

Then he gave a sanctimonious speech (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/us/politics/mccain-health-care-brain-cancer.html) denouncing partisanship and divisiveness, and declared that while he voted to allow debate to begin, he would never vote for the existing Senate bill without major changes.

And later that day, he voted for that very bill, even though, you guessed it, it hadn’t changed in any significant way.

But none of what is happening right now would be possible without the acquiescence of politicians who pretend to be open-minded, decry partisanship, tut-tut about incivility and act as enablers for the extremists again and again.

I started with McCain because so many journalists still fall for his pose as an independent-minded maverick, ignoring the reality that he has almost always been a reliable partisan yes-man whenever it matters.

Incredibly, some commentators actually praised his performance earlier this week,focusing on his noble-sounding words and ignoring his utterly craven actions. Senator Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia — whose state has benefited enormously from the Affordable Care Act. “I didn’t come here to hurt people,” she declared (http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-i-didn-t-come-here-to-hurt-people-republican-senator-978930243650) not long ago — then voted for a bill that would quadruple the number (http://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/bcrarevision0714_0.pdf) of uninsured in West Virginia.

Rob Portman of Ohio, who cultivates an image (http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170726/why-rob-portman-said-yes-on-health-care-vote) as a moderate, praises Medicaid and talked big about the defects of Republican health plans — but also voted for that bill. Hey, in Ohio the number of uninsured would only triple.

Dean Heller of Nevada, who has lauded his state’s federally financed Medicaid expansion, but voted along with McCain (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/dean-heller-defends-health-care-vote-240992) to let debate proceed on an unknown bill, very much putting that expansion at risk.

credit is due: two senators, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine, have stood up against the effort to betray every promise Republicans have made

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/opinion/columnists/trumpcare-republican-moderates.html




Um, that vote he cast Thursday night really mattered. The repeal is likely dead until October because McCain got that reconciliation bill to an actual vote and then killed it. McConnell can't bring repeal back into a reconciliation bill this fiscal year unless he folds it into the tax bill or the debt ceiling bill the senate will be working on the next couple of weeks and in September. If McCain came out as a staunch no the entire way like Collins and Murkowski we wouldn't have seen McConnell bring the skinny repeal up for a vote and the senate would be working on a repeal all the way to the recess. So McCain's vote to proceed but vote against the real bill ensured either he gets the bipartisan bill he argued for (doubtful) or we don't see a vote on a reconciliation bill to repeal for more than two months. I don't figure he did it save anyone's healthcare, but instead so the senate could get on top of the defense bill that is his main priority. And I wonder if he bought off votes from Shumer, Feinstein, and the Dems he was laughing with before casting his vote to make sure that one gets to 60. Also I'm guessing he wanted to move on to tax cuts and making sure the government doesn't default instead of letting Trump force them to keep going on a healthcare bill they would have a hard time sorting out quickly when they're up against a late September deadline on their three main priorities (repeal, taxes, debt ceiling).

[djohn2oo8]

Please. He's a dying man making the graveyard walk.

McCain wiped the floor with Trump's ass.

[Thread]

McCain wiped the floor with Trump's ass.

dj, finally talking to me.

tee, hee.

[DMX7]

McCain wiped the floor with Trump's ass.

And Trump knows it. Look at his twitter tirade this weekend. Dude is going off the rails right now.

[Thread]

And Trump knows it. Look at his twitter tirade this weekend. Dude is going off the rails right now.

Please. McCain is dying & is dealing. "Here, God, I'll give everyone health care...that will erase all my war mongering. Deal?"

- "+ tell me what C was like early on."

- "Deal. She was choice, G,,,hair of gold & lips like cherries,,,"

[boutons_deux]

"that vote he cast Thursday night really mattered"

unlike the ladies who voted to block it going to a vote, he voted YES for the vote, then voted NO in the vote. grandstanding bullshit hypocrit.

wandering with a uncovered bloody surgical scab, what a grandstanding ham.

[Thread]

"that vote he cast Thursday night really mattered"

unlike the ladies who to block it going to a vote, he voted YES for the vote, then voted NO in the vote. grandstanding bullshit hypocrit.




He wanted to make damn sure God saw him.

[baseline bum]

"that vote he cast Thursday night really mattered"

unlike the ladies who to block it going to a vote, he voted YES for the vote, then voted NO in the vote. grandstanding bullshit hypocrit.




Did you even read what I wrote? If the vote on the bill never happened McConnell would still be able to push it under reconciliation this week. He can't now because McCain had McConnell put it up for a formal vote. McConnell can't do another reconciliation bill on spending until the new fiscal year in October. By getting McConnell to put it up for a vote he forced his hand in moving on from healthcare unless he's willing to work with Democrats on something that can get 60 votes. If he opposed the motion to proceed like Murkowski and Collins McConnell would have been able to get a vote on the repeal this week or next. Do I have to explain this to you like you're five years old? I'm not trying to diminish the roles Murkowski and Collins had, they were the actual opposition, in addition to red state Democrats like Manchin, Heitkamp, McCaskill, and Tester. But McCain is the one who got McConnell to commit to a floor vote and stop this ridiculous repeal bill for now.

[AaronY]

Nothing a Republican could do short of suicide would satisfy boo honestly

[baseline bum]

Nothing a Republican could do short of suicide would satisfy boo honestly

I mean McCain just bent Trump over with no lube and boutons is bitching that he's an opportunist.

[Reck]

Boots is really a miserable fuck.

When republicans stick it to democrats, he's here whining about it. When a few of them actually grow a conscience he call thems opportunists.

Just take the win, dude.

[DarrinS]

I respect McCain for his service. I used to work with a doctor who was a POW with McCain. But, McCain as a politician? Not a fan.

[Thread]

I mean McCain just bent Trump over with no lube and boutons is bitching that he's an opportunist.

How would you like to be bent over by Recky?

[baseline bum]

How would you like to be bent over by Recky?

Not my style but you're free to take a turn from him if you like, it's 2017.

[sickdsm]

It's true, I'm not understanding your point when you're telling your kids to move out of the country when the shit supposedly hits the fan. Why is any first world country willing to take your kids in as America burns in your scenario? You think anyone is going to give a damn about American refugees after all the shit we have started since the 1950s?

Wanted and willing to take are two different things. If it has gotten to that point then my kids have failed to see it coming. You seem to have a problem with my advice? Why? If you have legitimate assets most any country will take immigrants. Not sure why you call them refugees at that point.

[baseline bum]

Wanted and willing to take are two different things. If it has gotten to that point then my kids have failed to see it coming. You seem to have a problem with my advice? Why? If you have legitimate assets most any country will take immigrants. Not sure why you call them refugees at that point.

If it's inevitable why don't you tell them to do it now then before their dollars become worthless and people are burning them in their fireplaces for warmth? If the nation is already going down in flames with Trump isn't this the time to cash out?

[ducks]

Trump and each of his kids gave McCain as much as they could as a person when he ran for president

[baseline bum]

Trump and each of his kids gave McCain as much as they could as a person when he ran for president

Not the sharpest tools in the shed, that Trump family, amirite?

[ducks]

McCain greater then former president

[baseline bum]

McCain is greater than the current president.


fify

[resistanze]

Do you just not understand how this works?

:lol last time this nigga will appear in thread. I love the fuckery of this shit forum.

[Reck]

Do you just not understand how this works?
Mitch :lol

Guy is a prime example of why Trump was successful in his presidential bid. Eats up everything Trump says, doesn't do his own research to see if what he says checks out, and buys into his lies.

I will bring back jobs! MAGA!

HE HAS MAH VOTE!

How's all that working out Mitch? You got your new job?

[sickdsm]

If it's inevitable why don't you tell them to do it now then before their dollars become worthless and people are burning them in their fireplaces for warmth? If the nation is already going down in flames with Trump isn't this the time to cash out?


This isn't a Trump issue. This seems to be snowballing. The only thing worse than being wrong on investing is being right with the wrong timing. You seem to have a very conservative view on America. I guess maybe I just have a more world view than you. I just want to kids to not be afraid to take a bold move. Lots of Americans are retiring And moving to a different county. I have an uncle that moved to Ecuador I think.

Anyone that's ever bought physical PM is doing so as a hedge against the US. Why does it bother you so much?

[Will Hunting]

Fuck McCain, Fuck Trump, Fuck Obama. Fuck paying $20k/year for garbage insurance. Fuck ACA. Fuck Trumpcare. No small business's can afford good health insurance, Every self employed around here sends the spouse to a govt funded job for health insurance.

Everyone knows govt. pays well above private business's with rediculous benefits.

It was the same way before Obamacare ever happened. If you want affordable healthcare for small businesses, then you should want single payer.

[sickdsm]

It was the same way before Obamacare ever happened. If you want affordable healthcare for small businesses, then you should want single payer.

Thanks for telling me what I should want. I bet your just a peach in relationships.

Agree single payer is the destination, but not the cure all. 20 years ago? Yes. Nowadays? People are more likely to be obese and not care. Shifting the cost to govt will only speed the demise of the U.S. Howcanwe cut the total cost of health care? I don't see that number going down.

[baseline bum]

This isn't a Trump issue. This seems to be snowballing. The only thing worse than being wrong on investing is being right with the wrong timing. You seem to have a very conservative view on America. I guess maybe I just have a more world view than you. I just want to kids to not be afraid to take a bold move. Lots of Americans are retiring And moving to a different county. I have an uncle that moved to Ecuador I think.

Anyone that's ever bought physical PM is doing so as a hedge against the US. Why does it bother you so much?

So are you advising them to move to the third world too?

[Mitch]

Mitch :lol

Guy is a prime example of why Trump was successful in his presidential bid. Eats up everything Trump says, doesn't do his own research to see if what he says checks out, and buys into his lies.

I will bring back jobs! MAGA!

HE HAS MAH VOTE!

How's all that working out Mitch? You got your new job?

What are you on about, Bro? Trump hurt your feelings or something today? :lol

[Reck]

What are you on about, Bro? Trump hurt your feelings or something today? :lol

Son, are you a republican? Lifelong conservative?

[Mitch]

Son, are you a republican? Lifelong conservative?

You'll have to answer the question first, Bro. What did Trump do to hurt your feelings today, Tbh? Haven't seen you this full of angst since he won the election :lol

[Reck]

You'll have to answer the question first, Bro. What did Trump do to hurt your feelings today, Tbh? Haven't seen you this full of angst since he won the election :lol

Not really. I was just describing your run of the mill Trump supporter.

[Mitch]

Not really. I was just describing your run of the mill Trump supporter.

Ah well, you probably got mad at something mooch said or whatever. No big deal Reck, you take care :tu

[Reck]

Ah well, you probably got mad at something mooch said or whatever. No big deal Reck, you take care :tu

So you're not gonna answer my question? It's an easy one.

[Mitch]

So you're not gonna answer my question? It's an easy one.

How long I've been conservative? Not part of the Republican party, brosef.

Voted Obama, abstained, Trump.

Social liberal, fiscal conservative since 2011, all liberal before that. Registered Democrat though if that matters for you

[Reck]

How long I've been conservative? Not part of the Republican party, brosef.

Voted Obama, abstained, Trump.

Social liberal, fiscal conservative since 2011, all liberal before that. Registered Democrat though if that matters for you

:tu

Just curious.

You turned on Obama pretty fast and hopped on that Trump train on the quick.

[Mitch]

:tu

Just curious.

You turned on Obama pretty fast and hopped on that Trump train on the quick.

I turned on Obama after 2 years, Tbh. I knew he was wrong, Romney was worse.

[sickdsm]

So are you advising them to move to the third world too?
In advising them when they feel something needs to be done, not to be a pussy and not to be scared to make bold moves. When my great grandpa immigrated I imagine life would have been much easier if he had someone telling him not to fear the unknown. Too bad most of them probably had to deal with negativity on such a huge decision like that.

Again. Why do you have such a problem with this? You never did answer that.

[Chris]

I mean McCain just bent Trump over with no lube and boutons is bitching that he's an opportunist.

:cry

[baseline bum]

In advising them when they feel something needs to be done, not to be a pussy and not to be scared to make bold moves. When my great grandpa immigrated I imagine life would have been much easier if he had someone telling him not to fear the unknown. Too bad most of them probably had to deal with negativity on such a huge decision like that.

Again. Why do you have such a problem with this? You never did answer that.

I guess it's just weird hearing people who think this country is too far to the left talking about leaving when we're by far the most conservative country in the first world.

[sickdsm]

I guess it's just weird hearing people who think this country is too far to the left talking about leaving when we're by far the most conservative country in the first world.

Not sure why your talking about liberal policy but whatever.

As long as it doesn't end in eroding of assets, I could care less. There will be no way to pay for the national debt, health care, student loans, military, etc..

How do you see this playing out? How does it end well?

A currency that's getting devalued, only thing backing it up is a military funded by an increasingly worthless currency.

[sickdsm]

I guess it's just weird hearing people who think this country is too far to the left talking about leaving when we're by far the most conservative country in the first world.

So are you usually that much of an asshole to someone that you find is outside of your comfort zone?

[baseline bum]

Not sure why your talking about liberal policy but whatever.

As long as it doesn't end in eroding of assets, I could care less. There will be no way to pay for the national debt, health care, student loans, military, etc..

How do you see this playing out? How does it end well?

A currency that's getting devalued, only thing backing it up is a military funded by an increasingly worthless currency.


So are you usually that much of an asshole to someone that you find is outside of your comfort zone?

To answer your second question first, I don't like when conservatives feign concern about the national debt. If you guys gave one fuck about the debt you'd advocate increasing taxes and lowering spending. It's just like when conservatives want a wall and more border patrol to stop illegal immigration and then don't give a shit about jailing the people who hire them. So I support the Democrats over the Republicans since I figure if we're putting shit on the national credit card, better for it to benefit the poor than the rich.

To answer your first post, the way I see it playing out is that your kids and their kids will get taxed like hell to pay for the Baby Boomers' and Gen-X's tax cuts and benefits the same way The Greatest Generation was to pay for the huge national debt created by WWII.

[Thread]

So are you usually that much of an asshole to someone that you find is outside of your comfort zone?

Unfortunately that is bum's MO. You have to get used to it because he really means no harm.

[sickdsm]

To answer your second question first, I don't like when conservatives feign concern about the national debt. If you guys gave one fuck about the debt you'd advocate increasing taxes and lowering spending. It's just like when conservatives want a wall and more border patrol to stop illegal immigration and then don't give a shit about jailing the people who hire them. So I support the Democrats over the Republicans since I figure if we're putting shit on the national credit card, better for it to benefit the poor than the rich.

To answer your first post, the way I see it playing out is that your kids and their kids will get taxed like hell to pay for the Baby Boomers' and Gen-X's tax cuts and benefits the same way The Greatest Generation was to pay for the huge national debt created by WWII.

I don't give a shit about a wall or stopping immigrants. Fuck the border guards. Create a fast pass modern day Ellis Island. I'm all about lowering spending. I'd say increase taxes but not until significant cuts in spending first. That's what most people want.

Nice generalization there. Do you do that often? How about by ones skin color? I bet you have me all pegged just because I'm a farmer from the midwest. You'd probably treat me different based on your assumptions on race.

[hater]

Fatball
Sucks

Thats all fellas. Carry on

[ElNono]

Not sure why your talking about liberal policy but whatever.

As long as it doesn't end in eroding of assets, I could care less. There will be no way to pay for the national debt, health care, student loans, military, etc..

How do you see this playing out? How does it end well?

A currency that's getting devalued, only thing backing it up is a military funded by an increasingly worthless currency.

You're making a beginner's mistake in economics, but, in your defense, it's pretty common. The US dollar value might look 'devalued' in a historical perspective compared to... the US dollar.

That's actually pretty normal. Any working economy strives to have a modicum of inflation. Reason being that it causes people to invest to beat it, as opposed to deflation, where the currency appreciates, and so people tend to hoard it as an investment.

The real mistake is thinking currency value is measured vis a vis with itself historically. The real value measure is vis a vis with other currencies, and their value. Other currencies also depreciate, and historically, at a much higher rate than the US dollar. That's why other countries eat up any US treasuries offered, and there's high demand for them (not to mention a lot of people worldwide, especially in third world countries, save in US dollars to beat the local currency's inflation). The thing is, the US hasn't had high inflation levels since the late 70s. When you start seeing annual inflation rates in the 10%-15%, that's when you gotta sound the alarm.

Lastly, let's suppose that the US does engage the monster printing machine and manages to grossly devalue the currency (compared to other currencies), how it plays out is well known: you get high inflation levels, it lowers the citizen's standards of living, but at the same time, makes the country vastly more competitive. That's basically what China has been doing by manipulating their currency to keep labor costs down.

I'm an immigrant myself that went through stuff like hyperinflation and all that jazz. I think your idea of telling anybody to go out there and see the world is good. But not because the empire is crumbling, but because it's always good to have a bigger perspective.

[ElNono]

Now, about this topic specifically, medical tourism is only going to keep growing as the cost disparity increases and the schmucks in Congress are too scared to deal with it.

That will eventually have to force their hands.

[SnakeBoy]

To answer your second question first, I don't like when conservatives feign concern about the national debt. If you guys gave one fuck about the debt you'd advocate increasing taxes and lowering spending. It's just like when conservatives want a wall and more border patrol to stop illegal immigration and then don't give a shit about jailing the people who hire them. So I support the Democrats over the Republicans since I figure if we're putting shit on the national credit card, better for it to benefit the poor than the rich.


I've been advocating a middle class tax increase for as long as I've been on ST.

[baseline bum]

I'm all about lowering spending. I'd say increase taxes but not until significant cuts in spending first.



I've been advocating a middle class tax increase for as long as I've been on ST.

:tu

OK, that makes sense then.

[boutons_deux]

Now, about this topic specifically, medical tourism is only going to keep growing as the cost disparity increases and the schmucks in Congress are too scared to deal with it.

That will eventually have to force their hands.

The numbers of US people going abroad for medical, dental treatment are huge and increasing.

https://www.google.com/search?q=medical%2C+dental+tourism&oq=medical%2C+dental+tourism&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.5761j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[boutons_deux]

John McCain is the "perfect American lie" says Drew Magary

Everyone should realize that John McCain is the perfect American lie,

a man who professes to be noble and fair and just

while being none of those things.

He served his country honorably in combat, but in no other fashion.

And he serves out his time in the Senate, and here on planet Earth, as a pathetic enabler.

Never the lion; always the sheep.

For seventeen years, gullible people have been waiting for him to make his face turn,

to make some grand defiant move for the sake of God and country.

But that was always just clever branding on his part, and

today should serve as a cold slap in the face to anyone

who still thought he might have that kind of political courage left in him.

He's a fucking disgrace.

https://boingboing.net/2017/07/26/john-mccain-is-the-perfect-a.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=im

And corrupt, too, search "Keating Five"

[ducks]

https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/6056044/il_570xN.245458542.jpg

[DMX7]

He's one of the most courageous men to ever step foot in the Senate -- a giant -- especially compared to McConnell.

[boutons_deux]

He's one of the most courageous men to ever step foot in the Senate -- a giant -- especially compared to McConnell.

"For seventeen years, gullible people have been waiting for him to make his face turn"

[Chucho]

I guess it's just weird hearing people who think this country is too far to the left talking about leaving when we're by far the most conservative country in the first world.

I dunno, Japan is still very, very traditional in the family sense.