Invade Venezuela now?

[Pavlov]

I'm leaving the collusion determination to Mueller and other investigations. Uday already admitted to attempted collusion, so I'm fine with their looking some more.

[Spurminator]

Look man, you had a pretty good troll going when you got us to go from Illegals Don't Vote > Yes They Do > No, because it's too risky > If it's that risky, where are the convictions?

Everything since then has been a bad sequel. Quit while you're ahead.

[Thread]

I'm leaving the collusion determination to Mueller and other investigations. Uday already admitted to attempted collusion, so I'm fine with their looking some more.

That ain't yours, Pav's. You shouldn't take that. It's too choice.

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

about a year old now, but still one of my favorite articles on the topic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/01/05/as-socialist-venezuela-collapses-socialist-bolivia-thrives-heres-why/?utm_term=.7179f8cb8ddd

[hater]

US SouthCOM commander secretly meeting with Colombian VP in Colombia Eastern region.

Maduro saying US niggas about to invade thru Colombia

Shit getting real?

This is South America Id have to see to believe a Iran-Iraq Us sponsored style invasion tbqh

[Chris]

about a year old now, but still one of my favorite articles on the topic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/01/05/as-socialist-venezuela-collapses-socialist-bolivia-thrives-heres-why/?utm_term=.7179f8cb8ddd

My favorite comment from that article:

"
amercon
1/6/2017 9:24 PM CST
Socialism replaces equal opportunity with equal outcome which kills incentive to work leading to lower productivity, less wealth, and more poverty. Socialism means government ownership or effective control of the means of production. The first settlers at Jamestown and Plymouth began with a system of common ownership that proved disastrous. When each family was given their own parcel of land it made all hands very industrious and was successful.
Socialism usually involves central planning which leads to shortages of some things and wastage of others. Countries where socialism replaced private ownership and market forces have experienced a decent into poverty. Greece, Venezuela, North Korea, and Cuba are examples of socialist disasters.

Loss of freedom is a major problem of socialism. We lose economic freedom of choice. Socialism, which is based on Marxist ideology, demands loyalty to the state which takes away our freedoms of speech, press, religion, and dissent. Socialists believe the state is supreme over the church and the family.

Some people confuse Socialism with Christian charity, but they are very different. Christian charity is voluntary and motivated by love on the part of the giver. Socialism is a forced redistribution often motivated by envy, greed, or coveting by the recipient. Christian charity is giving away your own money believing everything comes from God. Socialism is giving away another person’s money believing everything comes from the state.

Socialism means mass poverty and loss of freedom.

[hater]

Nearly 1/2 of the world's population — more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day. More than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty — less than $1.25 a day. 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty. According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty.


Thats thanks to capitalism tbqh

World under US “capitalist” empire is a disgrace

[ElNono]

The problem there is not socialism or capitalism, it's that it has turned into a full blown dictatorship, more or less. Lack of true, transparent democracy is the problem.

People fleeing from oppression isn't new, tbh

[spurraider21]

My favorite comment from that article:

"
amercon
1/6/2017 9:24 PM CST
Socialism replaces equal opportunity with equal outcome which kills incentive to work leading to lower productivity, less wealth, and more poverty. Socialism means government ownership or effective control of the means of production. The first settlers at Jamestown and Plymouth began with a system of common ownership that proved disastrous. When each family was given their own parcel of land it made all hands very industrious and was successful.
Socialism usually involves central planning which leads to shortages of some things and wastage of others. Countries where socialism replaced private ownership and market forces have experienced a decent into poverty. Greece, Venezuela, North Korea, and Cuba are examples of socialist disasters.

Loss of freedom is a major problem of socialism. We lose economic freedom of choice. Socialism, which is based on Marxist ideology, demands loyalty to the state which takes away our freedoms of speech, press, religion, and dissent. Socialists believe the state is supreme over the church and the family.

Some people confuse Socialism with Christian charity, but they are very different. Christian charity is voluntary and motivated by love on the part of the giver. Socialism is a forced redistribution often motivated by envy, greed, or coveting by the recipient. Christian charity is giving away your own money believing everything comes from God. Socialism is giving away another person’s money believing everything comes from the state.

Socialism means mass poverty and loss of freedom.
so if we had higher taxes but free healthcare you'd stop working harder to earn more money? lol

[pgardn]

The problem there is not socialism or capitalism, it's that it has turned into a full blown dictatorship, more or less. Lack of true, transparent democracy is the problem.

People fleeing from oppression isn't new, tbh

Wurd

tu ya motha


Yep and more yeps.

[Chris]

Funny how socialist countries turn into dictatorships. I'd say socialism is a big problem looking at it logically.

[spurraider21]

Funny how socialist countries turn into dictatorships. I'd say socialism is a big problem looking at it logically.
so if we had single payer healthcare, would you stop trying to earn more income?

[pgardn]

US SouthCOM commander secretly meeting with Colombian VP in Colombia Eastern region.

Maduro saying US niggas about to invade thru Colombia

Shit getting real?

This is South America Id have to see to believe a Iran-Iraq Us sponsored style invasion tbqh

Maduro saying...

Holy shit. Ya.
Thats a believable fella.

Chavez stranglehold followed by even worse. This is what Chavez giving himself so much power leads to. He did try some reforms, but near the end just resorted to shoving his government in people's faces. Norway, and their ability to use US oil companies, was a model right there but he set it aside and let his government try? Like it was going to be efficient and without corruption? Someone has to get the stuff out, you just don't ram a pipe into rock... Whose gonna do it? So you just shut out the best technology in the world because you think you can go it alone in getting oil out of the ground/ seabed? Bravado and stupidity.

[spurraider21]

man, if trump actually uses federal income taxes to pay for infrastructure, i wonder if chris will stop feeling motivated to work harder and make more money

[pgardn]

man, if trump actually uses federal income taxes to pay for infrastructure, i wonder if chris will stop feeling motivated to work harder and make more money

He has no idea he has driven on federally funded roads to go to work.
Needs to boycott those and get a lease from consecutive landowners, take that ATV to work thru backyards.
I know he curses over every federally funded bridge, hard core dude. Gonna put Nettflix and BurgerKing out of business.

Dont you try him, oh no, he'll do it.

[ElNono]

Funny how socialist countries turn into dictatorships. I'd say socialism is a big problem looking at it logically.

Plenty of social democracies worldwide, tbh...

[ElNono]

Maduro saying...

Holy shit. Ya.
Thats a believable fella.

Chavez stranglehold followed by even worse. This is what Chavez giving himself so much power leads to. He did try some reforms, but near the end just resorted to shoving his government in people's faces. Norway, and their ability to use US oil companies, was a model right there but he set it aside and let his government try? Like it was going to be efficient and without corruption? Someone has to get the stuff out, you just don't ram a pipe into rock... Whose gonna do it? So you just shut out the best technology in the world because you think you can go it alone in getting oil out of the ground/ seabed? Bravado and stupidity.

Funny though, coz a lot of Venezuela peeps love Chavez, and they weren't starving with him around. Maduro, on the other hand, is definitely megalomaniac.

[RandomGuy]

Show me the evidence that illegals weren't filling the voter rolls.

LOL prove a negative.

Your claim, your burden of proof, dumb ass.

[RandomGuy]

The problem there is not socialism or capitalism, it's that it has turned into a full blown dictatorship, more or less. Lack of true, transparent democracy is the problem.

People fleeing from oppression isn't new, tbh

Nepotism. Putting political correctness over competence. Attacking free, critical press as being enemies of the state. Undermining the rule of law.

This shit is happening here, and it is maddeningly obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass.

[Chris]

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[ElNono]

Nepotism. Putting political correctness over competence. Attacking free, critical press as being enemies of the state. Undermining the rule of law.

This shit is happening here, and it is maddeningly obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass.

It's nothing like that. It's more like banning the opposition from running at all. Dude lost congress, so he took over the SCOTUS there, disbanded congress altogether, jailed opponents.

There's democracy in the US, despite whether you like the election results or not. There's no longer a democracy in Venezuela. They'll have dog and pony show elections under Maduro's rules.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's nothing like that. It's more like banning the opposition from running at all. Dude lost congress, so he took over the SCOTUS there, disbanded congress altogether, jailed opponents.

There's democracy in the US, despite whether you like the election results or not. There's no longer a democracy in Venezuela. They'll have dog and pony show elections under Maduro's rules.

Random Guy and Boutons have both been hysterically hyperbolic since Hillary lost.

[boutons_deux]

"There's democracy in the US,"

:lol For some people, that self-congratulating myth just won't die

[CosmicCowboy]

Where would you rather live Boukaki?

[Spurtacular]

LOL prove a negative.

Your claim, your burden of proof, dumb ass.

Okay. Well the "positive" is that the door is wide open for illegals to get services and to vote for them. Shut the door or shut up, tbh.

[Mark Celibate]

All resources are currently tied up in Syria Iraq and Afghanistan currently, war with Venezuela might have to wait.

[RandomGuy]

It's nothing like that. It's more like banning the opposition from running at all. Dude lost congress, so he took over the SCOTUS there, disbanded congress altogether, jailed opponents.

There's democracy in the US, despite whether you like the election results or not. There's no longer a democracy in Venezuela. They'll have dog and pony show elections under Maduro's rules.

No, the US is nothing like Venezuala, you are right about that.

There is still democracy, but the kinds of things that fucked up Venezuala are at work here as well.

[RandomGuy]

Random Guy and Boutons have both been hysterically hyperbolic since Hillary lost.

Nepotism. Putting political correctness over competence. Attacking free, critical press as being enemies of the state. Undermining the rule of law.

You have been hysterically silent on this since Hillary lost.

Is the media the "enemy of the state"?

Are people traitors if they don't clap for the president's speeches?

[Mark Celibate]

You damn bet the USA media complex is an enemy of the citizens of the United States

[RandomGuy]

Random Guy and Boutons have both been hysterically hyperbolic since Hillary lost.


President Donald Trump said Wednesday his administration plans to "take a strong look at our country's libel laws," calling the current rules "a sham and a disgrace."

Speaking at a White House Cabinet meeting, Trump said the goal of the effort would be "so that when somebody says something that is false and defamatory about someone that person will have meaningful recourse in our courts."

Trump has a long record of threatening to sue journalists who write things about him that he does not like.


With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!

If Democrat said either of these, you would lose your shit.

Here is your chance to prove you care more about the country than the magic "R":


1. Should the president be able to sue anybody who gives him bad press coverage for libel, like dictators do in other countries?

2. Should the president call for revoking broadcast licenses of anybody who gives him bad press coverage?

[RandomGuy]

You damn bet the USA media complex is an enemy of the citizens of the United States

All of them? or just some?

So what do we do with these enemies then?

[Chris]

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[RandomGuy]

It's nothing like that. It's more like banning the opposition from running at all. Dude lost congress, so he took over the SCOTUS there, disbanded congress altogether, jailed opponents.

There's democracy in the US, despite whether you like the election results or not. There's no longer a democracy in Venezuela. They'll have dog and pony show elections under Maduro's rules.

He didn't start off doing any of that, but wound up to it after years of doing everything he could to undermine any source of power outside the government, and undermining democratic institutions.

Just because we don't have an imperial presidency yet, doesn't mean the parallels and current comparison is invalid.

Trump has attacked:
Free press
Judiciary
Congress
Law enforcement.

Any check on his power is criticized, and he is whipping up his supporters to go after any alternate source of power in the government.

Does that help explain it?

[boutons_deux]

"There's democracy in the US"

:lol holy shit, you still believe that mythical bullshit.

There's the bullshit charade voting, but both parties IGNORE their voters' preferences when it comes to laws and regs.