Robert E Lee ex

[Spurminator]

No they don't. I intentionally don't show my math to protect others including you. It's why I didn't take your ELE bet, I knew I was right and didn't want to see you exit (I figured you would honor your bet as Spurminator, not sure as Adam).

How brave and respectable to not publish the registration information you looked up to find out who Adam Lambert was. :lol

[Spurtacular]

What do I lose?

It wasn't me who went on a scavenger hunt to cross-reference registration info against thousands of usernames to find out who was behind the alt that drove me insane.

:lmao
DMC hung an L on you, dude. Those tears are pretty fucking awesome!

[DMC]

:lmao
DMC hung an L on you, dude. Those tears are pretty fucking awesome!

It stopped being fun. We were colluding. I can't even lie.

[Spurminator]

:lmao
DMC (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20665) hung an L on you, dude. Those tears are pretty fucking awesome!

:lol
Okay toadie. Keep humping that leg. Even he called you an idiot.

[Spurtacular]

Sorry, friend, you didn't show your math.

Now everyone knows why. I don't know if another moderator has ever gotten so shook that he went alt-hunting, but it's pretty pathetic tbh.

Thanks for bringing it back up tonight, I kind of regretted not finishing this last week.

:lmao

https://media.giphy.com/media/Hwq45iwTIUBGw/giphy.gif

[Spurtacular]

:lol
Okay toadie. Keep humping that leg. Even he called you an idiot.

He's trolled the fuck out me, dude. Am I supposed to not laugh at you getting bent over cos of it? :lmao

[Spurtacular]

It stopped being fun. We were colluding. I can't even lie.

Colluding?

[DMC]

Colluding?

Of course. Spurminator told me last week he was Adam, how else do you think I know?

It was fun for a while but I wanted to end it, no one took the bait.

[Spurtacular]

You voted for Trump.Do you tell the black people you respect and care about--Do you?

Do I go out of my way to create hostile political confrontations in public? No. Do you? Do tell. Do you go on tirades? :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Of course. Spurminator told me last week he was Adam, how else do you think I know?

It was fun for a while but I wanted to end it, no one took the bait.

He's a faggot either way.

[DMC]

He's a faggot either way.
Everyone here is ok IRL, it's just a game. Everyone needs to settle down.

[Spurtacular]

Everyone here is ok IRL, it's just a game. Everyone needs to settle down.

No skin off my sac.

[Pavlov]

Do I go out of my way to create hostile political confrontations in public? No. Do you? Do tell. Do you go on tirades? :lmaoWell, I don't believe the same things you do so I have less inclination to hide my feelings or opinions. I have not had political discussions as stupid as the ones I have been in here, so I can't say who I would react to such stupidity IRL.

[Spurtacular]

Well, I don't believe the same things you do so I have less inclination to hide my feelings or opinions. I have not had political discussions as stupid as the ones I have been in here, so I can't say who I would react to such stupidity IRL.

:lmao I see what you tried to do there. You'd like to pretend there's no use for pragmatism. As it is, it sounds like you've capitulated enough to find the safe space you need in public.

[Pavlov]

:lmao I see what you tried to do there. You'd like to pretend there's no use for pragmatism. As it is, it sounds like you've capitulated enough to find the safe space you need in public.Not really. I just don't think I ever had the kind of basic political ideas that would start a fight by merely stating them in a normal conversation. You have to hide yours. Good for you.

[Spurtacular]

Not really. I just don't think I ever had the kind of basic political ideas that would start a fight by merely stating them in a normal conversation. You have to hide yours. Good for you.

That's because good people don't get into fights over the exchange of ideas. We're not antifa, like you.

[Pavlov]

That's because good people don't get into fights over the exchange of ideas. We're not antifa, like you.:lmao you're calling me antifa? Explain your reasoning here.

[SnakeBoy]

Not really. I just don't think I ever had the kind of basic political ideas that would start a fight by merely stating them in a normal conversation. You have to hide yours. Good for you.

Honestly Chump (if that's who you are), I've never known your basic political viewpoint. You've always been pretty dodgy when asked what you believe.

[Pavlov]

Honestly Chump (if that's who you are), I've never known your basic political viewpoint. You've always been pretty dodgy when asked what you believe.I don't want to start a fight.

[Spurtacular]

Honestly Chump (if that's who you are), I've never known your basic political viewpoint. You've always been pretty dodgy when asked what you believe.

:lmao I can see this guy being Chump. Makes a lot of sense, tbh.

[RandomGuy]

I overstated it, maybe. But the point I was trying to make is that many Southerners didn't revere slavery whatsoever. It's sort of became folklore that the South romanticized the value of having slaves. In truth, only a plutocracy of plantation owners held up the institution of slavery. That's why when certain markets crashed, slavery was due to crash too.

Many Southern whites who were not plantation owners were in abject poverty and having potential wages undercut by the peculiar institution. I agree that it's not an issue to oversimplify; it's been months since I read on this, and I don't remember all the factors precisely. I would highly recommend the book I posted on audio CD for under $10 currently on Amazon if you find yourself interested in this.

Heh, my "book" list is fairly long, at the moment. I think I understand it well enough for my satisfaction. Thank you for the recommendation.

[Spurminator]

Relevant and telling graph.

897255950951866368

[Pavlov]

Relevant and telling graph.

897255950951866368That whole article at the SPLC is informative.

https://www.splcenter.org/20160421/whose-heritage-public-symbols-confederacy

[DarrinS]

Relevant and telling graph.

897255950951866368


First and biggest spike is around the time many Civil War vets were dying. The one in the 1960's also coincides with the Civil War centennial. Good analysis tho.

[Pavlov]

First and biggest spike is around the time many Civil War vets were dying. The one in the 1960's also coincides with the Civil War centennial. Good analysis tho.:lmao -- yeah that's all it was.

Darrin thinks the Klan never existed, Jim Crow never happened, lynchings are a myth.

[Spurminator]

First and biggest spike is around the time many Civil War vets were dying. The one in the 1960's also coincides with the Civil War centennial. Good analysis tho.

A lot more Civil War vets died in the 1860s than the 1910's

[DarrinS]

:lmao -- yeah that's all it was.

Darrin thinks the Klan never existed, Jim Crow never happened, lynchings are a myth.

"The animated map above shows how Union and Confederate markers accumulated over time and where. It also allows you to compare and contrast the language with which the two sections valorized their respective causes. As time progresses, monuments dot the map, accelerating at certain historical moments (around the Civil War centennial celebration, for example, which started in 1957).* The animation also highlights striking inscriptions from Union and Confederate markers. (Note: The interactive is designed so that you can watch it multiple times and see different inscriptions.)"

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/07/civil_war_historical_markers_a_map_of_confederate_ monuments_and_union_ones.html


Also, you can listen to this expert starting at 1:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAqUwum79W8




But, SPLC. :cry

[Pavlov]

"The animated map above shows how Union and Confederate markers accumulated over time and where. It also allows you to compare and contrast the language with which the two sections valorized their respective causes. As time progresses, monuments dot the map, accelerating at certain historical moments (around the Civil War centennial celebration, for example, which started in 1957).* The animation also highlights striking inscriptions from Union and Confederate markers. (Note: The interactive is designed so that you can watch it multiple times and see different inscriptions.)"

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/07/civil_war_historical_markers_a_map_of_confederate_ monuments_and_union_ones.html


Also, you can listen to this expert starting at 1:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAqUwum79W8




But, SPLC. :cryIt can certainly be all of those. I accept all of those. Your denial of Jim Crow, the Klan and lynchings is duly noted.

[Spurminator]

How does erecting monuments to pro slavery traitors at the centennial make it more ok?

Can't wait for the 100 year anniversary of the Third Reich... Sure to be lots of historical erections. (Pun intended)

[DarrinS]

It can certainly be all of those. I accept all of those. Your denial of Jim Crow, the Klan and lynchings is duly noted.

I'm not denying those things.

[Pavlov]

I'm not denying those things.But you think they have nothing at all to do with confederate monuments.

[DarrinS]

How does erecting monuments to pro slavery traitors at the centennial make it more ok?

Can't wait for the 100 year anniversary of the Third Reich... Sure to be lots of historical erections. (Pun intended)

Our founding fathers were traitors -- to England. :lol

They were also slave owners and tax evaders.

Our history is our history, warts and all.

[Pavlov]

Our founding fathers were traitors -- to England. :lolHow many statues of our founding fathers are in Britain, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

But you think they have nothing at all to do with confederate monuments.

So, we had Jim Crow, the KKK, and lynchings. So, you think they were REALLY going to stick it to them by erecting statues of dead confederate soldiers? Meh

[Spurminator]

Our founding fathers were traitors -- to England. :lol

They were also slave owners and tax evaders.

Our history is our history, warts and all.

And they won, and that's why we're here today.

[DarrinS]

How many statues of our founding fathers are in Britain, Darrin?

Probably would be if we were geographically connected. About 1 in 12 confederate monuments are in union states.

[Spurminator]

So, we had Jim Crow, the KKK, and lynchings. So, you think they were REALLY going to stick it to them by erecting statues of dead confederate soldiers? Meh

Yep

[DarrinS]

And they won, and that's why we're here today.

Yep

[Pavlov]

So, we had Jim Crow, the KKK, and lynchings. So, you think they were REALLY going to stick it to them by erecting statues of dead confederate soldiers?Absolutely. They were put up by the exact same people that were behind Jim Crow, the KKK and the lynchings. You think they were somehow completely different groups?

[Pavlov]

Probably would be if we were geographically connected.Explain how that would work, Darrin. Which founding fathers would Britain honor were they geographically connected?
About 1 in 12 confederate monuments are in union states.Oh, you have a list. Give us a link to the list, Darrin. I'm keen to see which union states they are in.

[Spurminator]

Presenting a shitty Venn diagram:

( "Participation trophies are okay" () "We should honor the losing side of a war" )

[DarrinS]

So, a lot of union monuments also went up from the late 1950's to mid 1960's. Was their also an ulterior motive with those? :lol

[DarrinS]

That SPLC analysis is such trash.

"2. There are at least 109 public schools named after prominent Confederates, many with large African-American student populations."

Yeah, because those are really OLD schools that are in THE FUCKING SOUTH.


:lmao

[Pavlov]

So, a lot of union monuments also went up from the late 1950's to mid 1960's.How many, Darrin?
Was their also an ulterior motive with those? :lolNothing really ulterior about the motives of white Jim Crow era southerners, Darrin. Again, you're trying to separate the inseparable. It was all done by the same people.

[Pavlov]

That SPLC analysis is such trash.

"2. There are at least 109 public schools named after prominent Confederates, many with large African-American student populations."

Yeah, because those are really OLD schools that are in THE FUCKING SOUTH.


:lmaoYou're going to have to explain the ALL CAPS on that one, Darrin.

[SpursforSix]

"The animated map above shows how Union and Confederate markers accumulated over time and where. It also allows you to compare and contrast the language with which the two sections valorized their respective causes. As time progresses, monuments dot the map, accelerating at certain historical moments (around the Civil War centennial celebration, for example, which started in 1957).* The animation also highlights striking inscriptions from Union and Confederate markers. (Note: The interactive is designed so that you can watch it multiple times and see different inscriptions.)"

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/07/civil_war_historical_markers_a_map_of_confederate_ monuments_and_union_ones.html


Also, you can listen to this expert starting at 1:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAqUwum79W8




But, SPLC. :cry


Animated maps??? Who are they? Buck Rogers???

[DarrinS]

/SPLC

[Pavlov]

/SPLCNope, you'll have to do better than that, Darrin.

Use your words.

[SpursforSix]

Nope, you'll have to do better than that, Darrin.

Use your words.

Are you like Yoda or something??!

[Pavlov]

Are you like Yoda or something??!I wish. I would make people like Darrin answer simple questions.

[DarrinS]

I just shit all over that lame SPLC analysis and Chump wants me to answer his questions? I'll pass.

[Pavlov]

I just shit all over that lame SPLC analysis and Chump wants me to answer his questions? I'll pass.But you really didn't, Darrin. That's the problem. I know you find your shorthand snark immensely satisfying, but a lot of times it just doesn't make a lot of sense.

Proclaiming victory and leaving is just a bitch move, but not unexpected from you.

[Pavlov]

That SPLC analysis is such trash.

"2. There are at least 109 public schools named after prominent Confederates, many with large African-American student populations."

Yeah, because those are really OLD schools that are in THE FUCKING SOUTH.


:lmaoWhat do you mean by this? SPLC just listed a fact here and you're lmao-ing all over the place.

I'll laugh along if it's trash.

[SpursforSix]

I wish. I would make people like Darrin answer simple questions.

That's not what Yoda's about.

[Pavlov]

That's not what Yoda's about.Maybe. We only saw like 20 minutes of the dude's life.

[SpursforSix]

Maybe. We only saw like 20 minutes of the dude's life.

Moving goalpost. Minus 25

[Pavlov]

About 1 in 12 confederate monuments are in union states.Yeah, about that. Most of those are in the border states that still had slaves during the Civil War and their postbellum histories are pretty close to those of the confederate states. The ones you find in free Union states are joint memorials like Gettysburg or commemorations of rebel prisoners who died nearby.

/DarrinS

[DMC]

I don't give two shits about the confederacy. When we invade a country we tear down the statues of the leaders. Why then do we erect statues in this country of deposed leaders, those defeated in battle on our soil?

I don't care for any statues, they should all be abolished. I'd think any Christian wouldn't want idols to worship like that, no statues of "great men". Tear down the Lincoln Memorial and Monticello. Jefferson was a slave owner. The Lincoln Memorial was dedicated during a time when "whiteness" was protected against racial mixing and falsely attributed Lincoln to freeing the slaves. Almost 100 years later, still not free. The NBA is just the new master.

[SpursforSix]

I don't give two shits about the confederacy. When we invade a country we tear down the statues of the leaders. Why then do we erect statues in this country of deposed leaders, those defeated in battle on our soil?

I don't care for any statues, they should all be abolished. I'd think any Christian wouldn't want idols to worship like that, no statues of "great men". Tear down the Lincoln Memorial and Monticello. Jefferson was a slave owner. The Lincoln Memorial was dedicated during a time when "whiteness" was protected against racial mixing and falsely attributed Lincoln to freeing the slaves. Almost 100 years later, still not free. The NBA is just the new master.

Flash Gordon says helllo.

[DarrinS]

Yeah, about that. Most of those are in the border states that still had slaves during the Civil War and their postbellum histories are pretty close to those of the confederate states. The ones you find in free Union states are joint memorials like Gettysburg or commemorations of rebel prisoners who died nearby.

/DarrinS



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1XgFsitnQw

[Pavlov]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1XgFsitnQwHey, DarrinS is here!

/DarrinS

[DMC]

Flash Gordon says helllo.

That's a movie/comic I have never watched or read. I do know the song though.