Stupid People like this are as big a danger to this country as any racist

[DarrinS]

For about the seventh time now, you still haven't said how the towers fell. The closest you've came is, 'google it.' :lmao

Structural failure. Gravity is a bitch.

[Pavlov]

For about the seventh time now, you still haven't said how the towers fell. The closest you've came is, 'google it.' :lmaoThe thing is, I already all the stupid conspiracy theories you've been spitting up here -- I read all the bullshit articles and watched all the bullshit YouTubes with spooky synth music. And yes, I am bragging that I know the generally accepted theory of WTC 1 and 2's collapse and you don't because -- because you don't and you are begging me to tell you what it is.

You've been begging for hours.

:lol

[Spurtacular]

The thing is, I already all the stupid conspiracy theories you've been spitting up here -- I read all the bullshit articles and watched all the bullshit YouTubes with spooky synth music. And yes, I am bragging that I know the generally accepted theory of WTC 1 and 2's collapse and you don't because -- because you don't and you are begging me to tell you what it is.

You've been begging for hours.

:lol

Well, if it's the truth, why are you so unwilling to state it?

[DarrinS]

The controlled demo guys crack me up, because they've obviously never heard a controlled demo.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePPdUUISQOs

[Pavlov]

Well, if it's the truth, why are you so unwilling to state it?I wanted to see if you would actually do some research.

Less than five minutes' worth.

You did not.

[Pavlov]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePPdUUISQOstruthers always attempt the rapidfire subject changes when they are flustered.

And they always get flustered.

[Spurtacular]

I wanted to see if you would actually do some research.

Less than five minutes' worth.

You did not.

Okay, I didn't. Go ahead and tell me the official reason now that you believe in.

[Spurtacular]

truthers always attempt the rapidfire subject changes when they are flustered.

And they always get flustered.

No, there's just an overwhelming amount of stuff out there; it's easy to over flood you....

[Mikeanaro]

Does steel have to be molten to be weak? Use your brain cells.
I think you are not using yours, but keep thinking it was the fire and the boogeyman.

[Mikeanaro]

Where are you getting all this melting steel business? You're going to have to explain that, I'm afraid.
Nope, you have to give your version on the subject or shut the fuck up.

[Spurtacular]

Remember when Pav was saying 200 engineers, but, but, but....

This is 2100 architects and engineers calling 9/11 bull shit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOR5FiC-7c

[Mikeanaro]

Structural failure. Gravity is a bitch.
Steel melts and bends you retard, it doesnt fall like concrete.

[Spurtacular]

Nope, you have to give your version on the subject or shut the fuck up.

[ElNono]

ugh more conspiratards? Somehow they manage to pop up here once a year... :lol

[Pavlov]

Okay, I didn't. Go ahead and tell me the official reason now that you believe in.Why not just do the research? It's super easy.


No, there's just an overwhelming amount of stuff out there; it's easy to over flood you....If that's what you have to resort to. But sure, there is no indication Rudy went into WTC7 for any reason. A command center had been set up at 75 Barclay Street, which is west of the WTC7 site. Remember they already knew there was a threat of building 1's collapse, so going into the building across the street makes before or after it fell made no practical sense for Rudy.

[DarrinS]

Steel melts and bends you retard, it doesnt fall like concrete.

:lmao

[Pavlov]

Nope, you have to give your version on the subject or shut the fuck up.Well, I will tell you it has nothing at all to do with melting steel -- so all your ignorant bluster is for naught.

[Spurtacular]

Remember when Pav was saying 200 engineers, but, but, but....

This is 2100 architects and engineers calling 9/11 bull shit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOR5FiC-7c

Apparently 2900 now.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

[Pavlov]

Steel melts and bends you retard, it doesnt fall like concrete.:rollin

Honestly, this is the kind of post I look forward to when getting into these "discussions."

[Pavlov]

Remember when Pav was saying 200 engineers, but, but, but....

This is 2100 architects and engineers calling 9/11 bull shit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOR5FiC-7cHave you seen his cardboard box demonstration?

http://www.nmsr.org/BoxBoy.jpg

Research!

[Spurtacular]

Why not just do the research? It's super easy.

If that's what you have to resort to. But sure, there is no indication Rudy went into WTC7 for any reason. A command center had been set up at 75 Barclay Street, which is west of the WTC7 site. Remember they already knew there was a threat of building 1's collapse, so going into the building across the street makes before or after it fell made no practical sense for Rudy.

So is telling me the answer. Plus, I wouldn't want to do the research and then assume we came to the same conclusion. So, I ask how did the towers fall?

...

I don't know what Rudy's reason for going into Building 7 was....

[Mikeanaro]

Well, I will tell you it has nothing at all to do with melting steel -- so all your ignorant bluster is for naught.
Sure, for the first time in history it was the fire in record time, defying all laws and science.
According to that retarded theory The Pentagon should have collapsed like a domino, BECAUSE OF DA FIRE! :lmao

[Pavlov]

So is telling me the answer. Plus, I wouldn't want to do the research and then assume we came to the same conclusion. So, I ask how did the towers fall?Nah, I want you to do the research. You've been pulling up YouTubes after searching.

It's as easy as that.


I don't know what Rudy's reason for going into Building 7 was....He had none. That's why he didn't go in.

[Mikeanaro]

Have you seen his cardboard box demonstration?

http://www.nmsr.org/BoxBoy.jpg

Research!
Lol comparing 3 cardboxes with a one piece building, thats maniac.

[Pavlov]

Sure, for the first time in history it was the fire in record time, defying all laws and science.Arguing from incredulity doesn't really work.


According to that retarded theory The Pentagon should have collapsed like a domino, BECAUSE OF DA FIRE! :lmaoHow do you come to that conclusion?

[Pavlov]

Lol comparing 3 cardboxes with a one piece building, thats maniac.That's the guy in Spurtacular's video. Take it up with him.

[Clipper Nation]

Apparently 2900 now.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

:lol As of 2012, there were 6.2 million employed scientists and engineers in America (not even counting the unemployed/retired ones):

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43061.pdf

Really makes the twoofers look pathetic for bragging about the tiny number of scientists and engineers that actually believe their bullshit.

[Spurtacular]

Nah, I want you to do the research. You've been pulling up YouTubes after searching.

It's as easy as that.

He had none. That's why he didn't go in.

Yea, I wouldn't want to tell whatever make-believe either.

[Pavlov]

:lol As of 2012, there were 6.2 million employed scientists and engineers in America (not even counting the unemployed/retired ones):

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43061.pdf

Really makes the twoofers look pathetic for bragging about the tiny number of scientists and engineers that actually believe their bullshit.It's like freaking out that 33 out of 40,000 counterdemonstrators got arrested, eh?

[Spurtacular]

:lol As of 2012, there were 6.2 million employed scientists and engineers in America (not even counting the unemployed/retired ones):

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43061.pdf

Really makes the twoofers look pathetic for bragging about the tiny number of scientists and engineers that actually believe their bullshit.

Pavlov was bragging about 200, dude.

[Spurtacular]

It's like freaking out that 33 out of 40,000 counterdemonstrators got arrested, eh?

Not really; two completely different contexts. Are you that desperate to make the comparison? I guess anything to not tell us how the towers fell.

[Pavlov]

Yea, I wouldn't want to tell whatever make-believe either.Hey, I already knew the government theory and every conspiracy theory you brought up today.

You still don't know the government theory.

[Spurtacular]

Arguing from incredulity doesn't really work.


:lmao That's your bread and butter. You're too incredulous to say how the towers even fell.

[Pavlov]

Not really; two completely different contexts. Are you that desperate to make the comparison?Just thought it funny since we're dealing with such tiny numbers in both cases. Brought it all full circle for me.


I guess anything to not tell us how the towers fell.Remember when you tried to tell people you had researched this?

[Quadzilla99]

It's like freaking out that 33 out of 40,000 counterdemonstrators got arrested, eh?
Now now you can't judge the 99.7% that did nothing by looking at what the 99.7% itself was doing you have to dig deeper and focus on the real issues like random YouTube videos

[Spurtacular]

Hey, I already knew the government theory and every conspiracy theory you brought up today.

You still don't know the government theory.

Looked it up; see a lot of nothing speak. Now go ahead and tell me how the towers fell.

[Pavlov]

:lmao That's your bread and butter. You're too incredulous to say how the towers even fell.That's not what that word means.

I am not incredulous that you are ignorant on some aspect of 9/11. I am surprised you are ignorant regarding such a fundamental issue.

:crymelted steel:cry

[Pavlov]

Looked it up; see a lot of nothing speak.What page did you look up?

Post a link.

[Spurtacular]

Just thought it funny since we're dealing with such tiny numbers in both cases. Brought it all full circle for me.

Remember when you tried to tell people you had researched this?

2,900 highly educated and accomplished professionals calling out a government that has the power to fuck 'em over is hardly a tiny number.

[Mikeanaro]

One thing is hating on Trump, and another is to defy all science because you dont like it.
All governments were clean, except Trump, right JFK?

[Pavlov]

2,900 highly educated and accomplished professionals calling out a government that has the power to fuck 'em over is hardly a tiny number.Gage has been at this since he had hair.

What has the government done to him?

[Spurtacular]

What page did you look up?

Post a link.

Who gives a flying fuck, honestly. You're shit is weak, dude. If you can't even own how the towers fell, then you must not strongly believe in it, anyhow.

[Pavlov]

One thing is hating on Trump, and another is to defy all science because you dont like it.
All governments were clean, except Trump, right JFK?wut

[Pavlov]

Who gives a flying fuck, honestly. You're shit is weak, dude.I just want to see what you came up with. Post the link. It won't hurt anybody.

[Spurtacular]

Pavlov

'Tell me your search history; I'm not going to say how the towers fell.'

That is like utter gimp shit :lmao

[Pavlov]

Pavlov

'Tell me your search history; I'm not going to say how the towers fell.'

That is like utter gimp shit :lmaoJust asking for a link to one page you found. It won't hurt you.

[Spurtacular]

Gage has been at this since he had hair.

What has the government done to him?

Gage? He's what?

[Spurtacular]

Just asking for a link to one page you found. It won't hurt you.

Brah, I ain't jumpin' through your gimp hoops. Either say how the towers fell, or your shit is weak.

[Pavlov]

Gage? He's what?Research your search history. He's right there.

[Pavlov]

Brah, I ain't jumpin' through your gimp hoops. Either say how the towers fell, or your shit is weak.You just proved you don't even watch the YouTubes you post and you're trying to talk about weak shit?

[Spurtacular]

Research your search history. He's right there.

I don't need to research jack shit. You either give a shit about saying how the towers fell or you don't.

[Pavlov]

I don't need to research jack shit.And you haven't.

[Spurtacular]

You just proved you don't even watch the YouTubes you post and you're trying to talk about weak shit?

Weak spin. Post how the towers fell.

[DarrinS]

I don't need to research jack shit. You either give a shit about saying how the towers fell or you don't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGr4D1-zDI

[Pavlov]

Weak spin. Post how the towers fell.Do the words Richard Gage mean anything to you?

[Pavlov]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGr4D1-zDIZOMGRAVITYS!!!!

[Spurtacular]

Do the words Richard Gage mean anything to you?

Bro, stop dancing and tell us how you think the towers fell.

[Pavlov]

Bro, stop dancing and tell us how you think the towers fell.Richard Gage.

Anything?

[Spurtacular]

Richard Gage.

Anything?

Yea, what I'm reading on wiki; but this is gay. I mean who the fuck argues like this? Lay your shit down already.

[Pavlov]

Yea, what I'm reading on wiki; but this is gay. I mean who the fuck argues like this? Lay your shit down already.
Remember when Pav was saying 200 engineers, but, but, but....

This is 2100 architects and engineers calling 9/11 bull shit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNOR5FiC-7cThat's Richard Gage in the YouTube you searched and posted here.

His name was announced in literally the fifth second of the video.

You did not watch it.

[Mikeanaro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPGr4D1-zDI
Nice, comparing a fifth world excrement made like a cambodian pizza
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Istanbul_intc.jpg/800px-Istanbul_intc.jpg
Vs the WTC
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/20138625.jpg

[Mikeanaro]

There was no complot

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/bush_binladen_quote.jpg

People never pays attention, forgets like a fart.

[Spurtacular]

That's Richard Gage in the YouTube you searched and posted here.

His name was announced in literally the fifth second of the video.

You did not watch it.

I watched all of it. He was shown at the end of the firefighter video; and the firefighter was shown at the end of his video. I wasn't hung up on a name. This is stupid shit that you're doing to avoid saying how the towers fell.

[Pavlov]

I watched all of it. He was shown at the end of the firefighter video; and the firefighter was shown at the end of his video. I wasn't hung up on a name. This is stupid shit that you're doing to avoid saying how the towers fell.Took you ten minutes to come up with that?

:lol

You could've looked up the official explanation in that time.

Twice.


Going to get a bite. You should be able to look it up about five times over.

[Spurtacular]

There was no complot

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/bush_binladen_quote.jpg

People never pays attention, forgets like a fart.

Yea, I remember that :lol I so wanted to punch Bush in the face....

And in Tora Bora he had our highly trained Marines disengage so that muslim mercenaries on horses could go track Osama who was riding away on a horse. :lol

Truth is he didn't want to take out the American asset and his excuse for prolonged military engagement.

[Spurtacular]

Took you ten minutes to come up with that?

:lol

You could've looked up the official explanation in that time.

Twice.


Going to get a bite. You should be able to look it up about five times over.

I could have; but I didn't. I was doing shit on other websites. And I typically have watched most or all of a video before I've posted it. And if I hadn't I'd say so. It's nothing to be ashamed of, frankly. It wouldn't have erased my point that 2900 architects called out the 9/11 nonsense. Thus, we see once again that your shit is weak.

[Mikeanaro]

Yea, I remember that :lol I so wanted to punch Bush in the face....

And in Tora Bora he had our highly trained Marines disengage so that muslim mercenaries on horses could go track Osama who was riding away on a horse. :lol

Truth is he didn't want to take out the American asset and his excuse for prolonged military engagement.
He was embarrassing, I was like WTF!?
This one is hilarious

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/l/Y/bush_two_faced.jpg

[Spurtacular]

N/M

[Spurtacular]

He was embarrassing, I was like WTF!?
This one is hilarious

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/l/Y/bush_two_faced.jpg

Yea, this is pretty standard gimpiness for world leaders. I can see why a guy like chump would like to buy all the koolaid.

[Spurtacular]

(NIST) according to which uncontrolled fires and the buckling of a critical support column caused the collapse.....
Pavlov

See, saw this in my reading. I still have to see if this is what you believe. And it's still fucking retarded because you could have just said that.

Also, :lmao that a "bucking" in one column in each of the towers (yet another coincidence) would be considered the cause. This is unmitigated bull shit! Talk about conspiracy theories.

[Spurtacular]

(NIST) according to which uncontrolled fires and the buckling of a critical support column caused the collapse.....
Pavlov (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7343)

See, saw this in my reading. I still have to see if this is what you believe. And it's still fucking retarded because you could have just said that.

Also, :lmao that a "bucking" in one column in each of the towers (yet another coincidence) would be considered the cause. This is unmitigated bull shit! Talk about conspiracy theories.
Pavlov

I can see why you didn't want to own that make-believe, just like I said. I can see that's horseshit from a mile away!

[Pelicans78]

There was no complot

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/bush_binladen_quote.jpg

People never pays attention, forgets like a fart.

So you don't think Al Qaieda plotted 9/11?

[Mikeanaro]

So you don't think Al Qaieda plotted 9/11?
Sure they did, teamed with W.

[Splits]

Damn. Chump vs. Spurtacular in a debate is like Prime Tyson vs. today's Butterbean with no ref to stop it.

That was brutal to read.

[Spurtacular]

^^^

:lmao Today's partisan....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck3VBAKxznw

[AaronY]

^^^"Hey, I know maybe if I throw in a laughing emoticon maybe they won't notice how much semen I'm getting sprayed in my face :lmao

If it works for hater it can work for me :lmao :lmao :lmao"

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Of50l77YQ

[Quadzilla99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Of50l77YQ
What are your thoughts on vaccines and autism?

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m14t8mJnw_E

[Spurtacular]

What are your thoughts on vaccines and autism?

Whatever you think is fine.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChGL7xdtB0

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpMzkIR1ymw

[Spurminator]

Meltdown

[Pavlov]

Twoofers always meltdown.

Always.

[Blake]

I don't need to research jack shit.

It's obvious the government did it :cry

[Blake]

Sure they did, teamed with W.

Of course this dude is a truther.

[Blake]

Pavlov

I can see why you didn't want to own that make-believe, just like I said. I can see that's horseshit from a mile away!

Lol make believe

[Pavlov]

(NIST) according to which uncontrolled fires and the buckling of a critical support column caused the collapse.....
Pavlov

See, saw this in my reading. I still have to see if this is what you believe. And it's still fucking retarded because you could have just said that.

Also, :lmao that a "bucking" in one column in each of the towers (yet another coincidence) would be considered the cause. This is unmitigated bull shit! Talk about conspiracy theories.Is that the Wikipedia page for AETwoof?

:lol muh reading

[Pavlov]

Pavlov

I can see why you didn't want to own that make-believe, just like I said. I can see that's horseshit from a mile away!
"Owned" it in my first post here.

OK, I "studied" 9/11 more than any layman not being paid to should. I will say categorically that Al Qaeda did this with no involvement from the US government. I will leave open the possibility of individual members of mideast governments being involved, and that the CIA might have known more about some things than they ever let on -- but that's it.

[RandomGuy]

Defending the free speech rights of those you disdain used to be a liberal tenant.

Still is.

They may be douchebags, but they still have rights.

[RandomGuy]

Yup, just some more poorly planned bull shit that chump thinks we're supposed to believe. They must not've been expecting video footage of that bomb going off and no fucking plane. :lmao And amateur hour once again....no plane debris and not even an indication that a plane had struck! But the govt. didn't come down on anyone? Of course 9/11 was an inside job.

Wow. Another twoofer.

[RandomGuy]

Bla, bla. How did the towers collapse?

Fire + Damage + Gravity.

It's not that difficult.

[RandomGuy]

Yup, just some more poorly planned bull shit that chump thinks we're supposed to believe. They must not've been expecting video footage of that bomb going off and no fucking plane. :lmao And amateur hour once again....no plane debris and not even an indication that a plane had struck! But the govt. didn't come down on anyone? Of course 9/11 was an inside job.

There were literally tons of evidence of a plane, along with hundreds+ of eyewitnesses. The plane that struck the Pentagon had to fly over some crowded expressways during rushhour.

[RandomGuy]

I dont need to explain nothing, you always have problems when something contradicts your theories, in this particular case you are saying the fire of the WTC has hotter than lava.

No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC." FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F).Aug 1, 2017

1500 F is not enough to melt steel, you are correct.

There was no melted steel in the towers, and the collapse did not require any steel to be melted, merely hot enough to lose structural integrity, and warp/expand, both of which happen when it is heated to those temperatures.

[Blake]

I would say libtards are far more dangerous than any racist.

Black surgeon goods

[Spurtacular]

Is that the Wikipedia page for AETwoof?

:lol muh reading

Yep; you're not that special. Say your make believe up front next time if you want better.

[Spurtacular]

"Owned" it in my first post here.

How exactly the towers fell and that Al Quaeda did it are two different subjects. This is why I get a kick out of these dickholes coming in praising you. I doubt they even read your shit. :lmao

Wait, please tell me you're not so moronic that you thought this entire time that I was asking you whether AQ did it or not? Well, besides the fact that that's extra gimpy that you wouldn't say :lmao.....I was asking what your scientific explanation was for the towers falling. You still haven't given one.

[Pavlov]

Yep; you're not that special. Say your make believe up front next time if you want better.A person who studied 9/11 wouldn't need to beg me for that information like you did.

[Pavlov]

How the towers fell and that Al Quaeda did it are two different things. This is why I get a kick out of these dickholes coming in praising you. I doubt they even read your shit. :lmaoOne logically follows the other, Einstein.

If Al Qaeda did by themselves, controlled demolition theories do not apply.

:lol muh melted steel

[Spurtacular]

A person who studied 9/11 wouldn't need to beg me for that information like you did.

A person who believed in his shit, would say how he thought the towers fell without spending five pages dodging the question :lmao

[Spurtacular]

One logically follows the other, Einstein.

If Al Qaeda did by themselves, controlled demolition theories do not apply.

:lol muh melted steel

That's fine, but you still haven't explained how a fire took the towers down against all established reason.

[Spurtacular]

Pavlov

How exactly the towers fell and that Al Quaeda did it are two different subjects. This is why I get a kick out of these dickholes coming in praising you. I doubt they even read your shit. :lmao

Wait, please tell me you're not so moronic that you thought this entire time that I was asking you whether AQ did it or not? Well, besides the fact that that's extra gimpy that you wouldn't say :lmao.....I was asking what your scientific explanation was for the towers falling. You still haven't given one.

[Spurtacular]

A person who studied 9/11 wouldn't need to beg me for that information like you did.

You really think I wasn't aware that the govt. blamed Al Qaeda? FUCKING MORON.

[Pavlov]

A person who believed in his shit, would say how he thought the towers fell without spending five pages dodging the question :lmaoI really enjoyed watching you admit your ignorance over and over again after you claimed you had "studied" 9/11. I'm surprised you took the bait for so many hours.


That's fine, but you still haven't explained how a fire took the towers down against all established reason.Define "all established reason."

[Pavlov]

Pavlov

How exactly the towers fell and that Al Quaeda did it are two different subjects. This is why I get a kick out of these dickholes coming in praising you. I doubt they even read your shit. :lmao

Wait, please tell me you're not so moronic that you thought this entire time that I was asking you whether AQ did it or not? Well, besides the fact that that's extra gimpy that you wouldn't say :lmao.....I was asking what your scientific explanation was for the towers falling. You still haven't given one.Of course I have. It's not my scientific explanation. It's THE scientific explanation.


You really think I wasn't aware that the govt. blamed Al Qaeda? FUCKING MORON.:lol muh melted steel

[Spurtacular]

Fire + Damage + Gravity.

It's not that difficult.

Thanks for that caveman explanation. Never in the history of fires though has one of these steel monsters succumbed to fire like that though. And it's not like we don't know for a fact that building 7 was demo'd. Yea, this is where the shit falls apart for the falsers. They want us to believe that the building just collapsed on its own. How fucking stupid is that?

[Spurtacular]

Of course I have.

:lol muh melted steel

Of course you have what? Why you keep laughing at melted steel; I'm not the one believing in that rubbish.

[Pavlov]

Thanks for that caveman explanation. Never in the history of fires though has one of these steel monsters succumbed to fire like that though.Actually another has.


And it's not like we don't know for a fact that building 7 was demo'd. Yea, this is where the shit falls apart for the falsers. They want us to believe that the building just collapsed on its own. How fucking stupid is that?No one says it collapsed on its own.

[Spurtacular]

1500 F is not enough to melt steel, you are correct.

There was no melted steel in the towers, and the collapse did not require any steel to be melted, merely hot enough to lose structural integrity, and warp/expand, both of which happen when it is heated to those temperatures.

:lmao That you think 1200 fucking degrees below the melting point is anywhere close enough for steel to lose structural integrity. Pseudo science. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Of course you have what? Why you keep laughing at melted steel; I'm not the one believing in that rubbish.:lmao you still don't realize that melted steel is not a component of the official theory of collapse.

[Spurtacular]

Actually another has.

No one says it collapsed on its own.

Tell us how building 7 fell, then. Tell us how the towers fell for that matter. You're still dodging fundamental questions.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao you still don't realize that melted steel is not a component of the official theory of collapse.

And have I been stating it of late? I listed your dumbass official reason. You didn't even regard it once I "did the research." Your shit is weak, dude. You run in circles like a chicken.

[Pavlov]

:lmao That you think 1200 fucking degrees below the melting point is anywhere close enough for steel to lose structural integrity. Pseudo science. :lmaowut

[Spurtacular]

There were literally tons of evidence of a plane, along with hundreds+ of eyewitnesses. The plane that struck the Pentagon had to fly over some crowded expressways during rushhour.

The media has consistently blacked out truth tellers. That some people allegedly saw a plane over the city is not much. And a video and the scene with no plane pretty much trump that weak shit.

[Pavlov]

Tell us how building 7 fell, then. Tell us how the towers fell for that matter. You're still dodging fundamental questions.Look, my position is the official position. You said you studied 9/11. How do you not know the official position?


And have I been stating it of late? I listed your dumbass official reason. You didn't even regard it once I "did the research." Your shit is weak, dude. You run in circles like a chicken.I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore. You're all over the place with your angry posts. Calm down. Take a deep breath before spitting up another post.

[Spurtacular]

Look, my position is the official position. You said you studied 9/11. How do you not know the official position?

I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore. You're all over the place with your angry posts. Calm down. Take a deep breath before spitting up another post.

Tell us in your own words how you believe building 7 and the towers fell.

[Pavlov]

The media has consistently blacked out truth tellers.Like whom for 9/11? No YouTubes.
That some people allegedly saw a plane over the city is not much.The testimony fo scores of people is a lot, and it's not all.
And a video and the scene with no plane pretty much trump that weak shit.Let's go with the basics here: Do you know what "frame rate" means?

[Pavlov]

Tell us in your own words how you believe building 7 and the towers fell.WTC1 and 2: plane impacts + fire + gravity = collapse.

WTC7: WTC1 impact + fire + gravity = collapse

[Spurtacular]

WTC1 and 2: plane impacts + fire + gravity = collapse.

WTC7: WTC1 impact + fire + gravity = collapse

So, that's really your neanderthal explanation? You do realize that even under the circumstances of the planes crashing, the towers and 7's collapses defy convention, right?

[Pavlov]

So, that's really your neanderthal explanation? You do realize that even under the circumstances of the planes crashing, the towers and 7's collapses defy convention, right?As mine is the conventional explanation, you make no sense. I think the brevity of my explanation is commensurate with your study of 9/11.

[Trainwreck2100]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/us/charlottesville-meeting-protest/index.html


Attendees at the packed meeting said they were upset that an August 12 "Unite the Right" rally was allowed to happen.
Demonstrators stood near the dais and unfurled a large banner that read, "BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS." The meeting was briefly suspended.

That's not how the constitution works.

[Spurtacular]

As mine is the conventional explanation, you make no sense. I think the brevity of my explanation is commensurate with your study of 9/11.

I think the brevity of your explanation is commensurate with your level of critical thinking. And it's not the conventional explanation. For that matter it's not even the official explanation that you promised.

[DarrinS]

:lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

[baseline bum]

:lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

LMAO that's awesome

[AaronY]

:lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
:lmao

[Pavlov]

I think the brevity of your explanation is commensurate with your level of critical thinking. And it's not the conventional explanation.Of course it is.
For that matter it's not even the official explanation that you promised.When did I promise anything?

All the reports are readily available for your "research." There is no chance in hell you will read them.

[RandomGuy]

The media has consistently blacked out truth tellers. That some people allegedly saw a plane over the city is not much. And a video and the scene with no plane pretty much trump that weak shit.

You do understand that an aluminum plane traveling at more than 200MPH slamming into a brick and concrete buildings will sort of make the plane turn in to much smaller pieces, right?

There are hundreds of pictures of plane debris. Hundreds of witnesses that saw American Airlines flight 77 hit the Pentagon.


https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6477d359dc5432b1abcbe8f37b74a1fd-c

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/19/3EC8CF4400000578-0-image-a-8_1490898572039.jpghttp://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-engine5.jpg

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_41.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/19/3EC8CF3400000578-0-image-a-31_1490898896578.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/19/3EC8CFCB00000578-0-image-a-22_1490898847176.jpg



One of the most thorough analyses of conspiracy theories about 9/11 was by Popular Mechanics which debunked all claims which deviated from the 9/11 Commission findings.
To those who claimed that there was never any wreckage at the scene, they quoted blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer, who was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash.

Mr Kilsheimer, who is chief executive of KCE Structural Engineers PC in Washington, D.C. said: 'I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.
'I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?'



That is one of the most thoroughly debunked things that people have said about this event.

[RandomGuy]

So, that's really your neanderthal explanation? You do realize that even under the circumstances of the planes crashing, the towers and 7's collapses defy convention, right?

No, they don't, not really.

The towers are simple physics. Once the collapse starts, there is more than enough kinetic energy to collapse the entire structure, as the top 20-30 stories started crashing into the parts below. Feel free to check my math.


http://www.debunk911myths.org/

http://www.jod911.com/


PE= m *9.8*413= 4073m

Mass is, by definition, simply a measurement of how much force a given amount of material will exert AT REST on an object that is resisting gravity.

SOOOO

The top floor would hit the ground with the same force as a 4073 story building, if that fall was unimpeded.

Now let's consider the fall of the top 30 stories.

They fell through the 3-5 floors of damaged sections and impacted the building below with some amount of force.

Let's call the distance accelerated as 3 floors and be generous. This is 11 meters.

Acceration of an object for 11 meters at 70% of gravity(dan's figure), would yeild an ending velocity of:


v^2= 2ad=2*9.8*.7*11=150=v^2, find the square root of 150, and bada bing, you get 12 meters per second

Substitute this into the kinetic energy equation:
ke= 150*.5*m=ke=75m

This means the 30 floor section impacts the undamaged portion with the kinetic energy of SEVENTY FIVE TIMES ITS MASS.

Think about this for a moment.

The lower section of the building is designed to hold that 30 stories stationary plus a safety margin of 10 or 20%. So the maximum force that the underlying structure could apply to that falling section is 1.2 times its mass.

Further:
That falling section having as much kinetic energy as 75 times its mass means that it is effectively applying the same amount of force at the impact point that a 2270 story building would. if you held it stationary. (simple math: 30*75)
For the statement "the building would not have collapsed without explosives" implies that the building could have been TWENTY TWO TIMES TALLER THAN IT ACTUALLY WAS without collapsing. :rolleyes

STILL FURTHER

Your calculations seem to imply that the building structure below could absorb 30% of the falling energy.

IN JUST THE FIRST 11 METERS OF A 400 METER COLLAPSE THERE IS 62 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF FORCE REQUIRED TO COLLAPSE THE BUILDING.

Your assumption of about 1/3 the energy used to collapse the building is about 20 times what is reasonable. (1/62*20= 1/3) (more actually, if you consider the further distance and mass)

What happens, then when MORE mass is added AND accelerated?

Even if half the mass falls away or off to the side, there is still FAR more force and energy than would be needed to collapse the building WITHOUT ANY EXPLOSIVES.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao That you think 1200 fucking degrees below the melting point is anywhere close enough for steel to lose structural integrity. Pseudo science. :lmao

Yes, I do. I not only think it, I know it does.




References to the tensile or compressive strength of steel relate either to the yield strength or ultimate strength. Figure A-5 shows the stress-strain curves for a structural steel (ASTM A36) at room temperature and elevated temperatures. As indicated in the figure, the yield and ultimate strength decrease with temperature as does the modulus of elasticity. Figure A-6 shows the variation of strength with temperature (ratio of strength at elevated temperature to that at room temperature) for hot rolled steel such as A36.
As indicated in the figure, if the steel attains a temperature of 550 degrees Centigrade (1,022 degrees Fahrenheit), the remaining strength is approximately half of the value at ambient temperature.

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/fig-A-5.gif


The modulus of elasticity, E0, is about 210 x 103 MPa for a variety of common steels at room temperature. The variation of the modulus of elasticity with temperature for structural steels and steel reinforcing bars is presented in Figure A-7.
As in the case of strength, if the steel attains a temperature of 550 degrees Centigrade (1,022 degrees Fahrenheit), the modulus of elasticity is reduced to approximately half of the value at ambient temperature.

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/fig-A-6.gif

https://media.dayoftheshirt.com/images/shirts/eWBFY/qwertee_science-it-works_1489183851.full.png


Maybe you wan wow me with all the data you have done for your testing of the structural properties of steel under various temperatures.

[RandomGuy]

:lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA


I do believe that gentleman is demonstrating the modulus of elasticity.

[RandomGuy]

Of course you have what? Why you keep laughing at melted steel; I'm not the one believing in that rubbish.

I have never seen any evidence showing there was any melted steel. Feel free to provide evidence of that claim.

This oughta be good. :corn:

[Blake]

Spurtacular reading that conspiracy script almost word for word

[Blake]

It's hilarious when truthers talk in that condescending tone.

[RandomGuy]

It's hilarious when truthers talk in that condescending tone.

It's copy/pasta at this point. Dogmatic blathering, devoid of facts, evidence, or logic.

It takes a special kind of stupid to believe this stupid shit at this point. This kid was probably still shitting himself when the first time those phrases were uttered by the previous generation of mental defectives.

[CosmicCowboy]

This crap again? Steel glows red at 900 degrees F and can be bent like spaghetti at that temperature. We do it all the time at work. Steel sucks in compression anyway conpared to concrete and wood. It naturally wants to flex.

[Spurtacular]

Of course it is.When did I promise anything?

All the reports are readily available for your "research." There is no chance in hell you will read them.

No, it's not. By your logic, any plane crash into a skyscraper would create a high likelihood of collapse. But architects and engineers know this is typically bull shit, and the gov. came up with a more specific explanation than the gimp shit you presented. Funny, given how many posts you railed against me for allegedly not knowing, and then you present that gimp shit that's nowhere near the bull's eye. :lmao

[Blake]

But architects and engineers know this is typically bull shit

What architects and engineers?


Name names

[Spurtacular]

You do understand that an aluminum plane traveling at more than 200MPH slamming into a brick and concrete buildings will sort of make the plane turn in to much smaller pieces, right?

There are hundreds of pictures of plane debris. Hundreds of witnesses that saw American Airlines flight 77 hit the Pentagon.


https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6477d359dc5432b1abcbe8f37b74a1fd-c

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/19/3EC8CF4400000578-0-image-a-8_1490898572039.jpghttp://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-engine5.jpg

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_41.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/19/3EC8CF3400000578-0-image-a-31_1490898896578.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/19/3EC8CFCB00000578-0-image-a-22_1490898847176.jpg




That is one of the most thoroughly debunked things that people have said about this event.

:lmao Hundreds of plane witnesses for the Pentagon.

Bro, the towers were detonated. The geniuses didn't even have the wherewithal to send down the tower that was hit first. The geniuses just detonated building 7 because of what? Structural damage? :lmao That's the biggest bull shit. If a plane crashes three houses from me, I'm not worried about my house collapsing, bro. And my house is nowhere as strong as building 7. Fact is you want me to swallow bull shit.

[Spurtacular]

It's copy/pasta at this point. Dogmatic blathering, devoid of facts, evidence, or logic.

It takes a special kind of stupid to believe this stupid shit at this point. This kid was probably still shitting himself when the first time those phrases were uttered by the previous generation of mental defectives.

:lmao dogmatic

One mention of building 7 in the WTC report. If it's not obvious to you that shit is being covered up, then you're one big fucking dupe.

[Spurtacular]

Yes, I do. I not only think it, I know it does.


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http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/fig-A-6.gif

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Maybe you wan wow me with all the data you have done for your testing of the structural properties of steel under various temperatures.

This is what happens, bro, when these steel beast catch fire. Stuff collapses, not the steel framework. It takes detonation. And we fucking know building 7 was detonated for A FACT. You want to give the benefit of doubt to no detonation and quote your pseudo science? :lmao

https://media.dayoftheshirt.com/images/shirts/eWBFY/qwertee_science-it-works_1489183851.full.png

[RandomGuy]

Maybe you can wow me with all the data you have done for your testing of the structural properties of steel under various temperatures.



This is what happens, bro, when these steel beast catch fire. Stuff collapses, not the steel framework. It takes detonation. And we fucking know building 7 was detonated for A FACT. You want to give the benefit of doubt to no detonation and quote your pseudo science? :lmao


So... you have smileys.

Got it.

Color me unimpressed.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao Hundreds of plane witnesses for the Pentagon.

Bro, the towers were detonated. The geniuses didn't even have the wherewithal to send down the tower that was hit first. The geniuses just detonated building 7 because of what? Structural damage? :lmao That's the biggest bull shit. If a plane crashes three houses from me, I'm not worried about my house collapsing, bro. And my house is nowhere as strong as building 7. Fact is you want me to swallow bull shit.

More smileys. I have provided testable scientific evidence of how steel reacts to being heated.

You have "nuh-uh".

:rolleyes

That says enough about how seriously to treat your lack of evidence. Keep shitting yourself.

[Blake]

And we fucking know building 7 was detonated for A FACT.

:lol :lol :lol

[RandomGuy]

:lol :lol :lol

http://emilysquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/What-can-be-asserted-without-evidence-can-also-be-dismissed-without-evidence..jpg

[Pavlov]

Of course it is.When did I promise anything?

All the reports are readily available for your "research." There is no chance in hell you will read them.


No, it's not.Of course it's the conventional theory.


By your logic, any plane crash into a skyscraper would create a high likelihood of collapse.Nope. There are several factors that make the WTC tower situation relatively unique. With 1 and 2, it was the fact that the internal structural steel was not reinforced with concrete. In addition to the unreinforced steel, 7 was built over a ConEd power substation, so loads were distributed in a way very different from most buildings of that type; some components were much more critical.

You knew none of this.


But architects and engineers know this is typically bull shit, and the gov. came up with a more specific explanation than the gimp shit you presented.And you didn't read that either. The government and others did change some of the specifics of the collapse as the did the studies and research no one else has bothered to do, but the basics were always the same.


Funny, given how many posts you railed against me for allegedly not knowing, and then you present that gimp shit that's nowhere near the bull's eye. :lmaoIt was simplistic, but accurate. I feel that anything more complex will just make you fly into another rage.

[Spurtacular]

http://emilysquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/What-can-be-asserted-without-evidence-can-also-be-dismissed-without-evidence..jpg

Exactly, and no valid evidence was presented in the 9/11 report about why tower 7 fell. Meanwhile, there's plenty of evidence about tower 7 being detonated.

[Pavlov]

Exactly, and no valid evidence was presented in the 9/11 report about why tower 7 fell.Yeah, if only the government had researched the 7 collapse for years and published a report and made it available to the public. That would've sure showed you.


Meanwhile, there's plenty of evidence about tower 7 being detonated.Show us. No YouTubes.

[Spurtacular]

...just make you fly into another rage.

Nigga please.

[RandomGuy]

Exactly, and no valid evidence was presented in the 9/11 report about why tower 7 fell. Meanwhile, there's plenty of evidence about tower 7 being detonated.

There is no evidence about tower 7 being detonated. Smiley's don't count as evidence, "bro".

http://emilysquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/What-can-be-asserted-without-evidence-can-also-be-dismissed-without-evidence..jpg

[Pavlov]

Nigga please.:lmao white people trying to use that phrase

[Spurtacular]

There is no evidence about tower 7 being detonated. Smiley's don't count as evidence, "bro".

http://emilysquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/What-can-be-asserted-without-evidence-can-also-be-dismissed-without-evidence..jpg

So, the govt. does a huge commission to find out the truth of 9/11 and just pretends building 7 never happened. They don't even come up with a faux excuse. That's how dead to rights them and your cuck ass are.

[Pavlov]

So, the govt. does a huge commission to find out the truth of 9/11 and just pretends building 7 never happened. They don't even come up with a faux excuse. That's how dead to rights them and your cuck ass are.Yeah, if only the government had researched the 7 collapse for years and published a report and made it available to the public. That would've sure showed you.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao white people trying to use that phrase

:lmao It's only for black people. Nigga please.

[Spurtacular]

With 1 and 2, it was the fact that the internal structural steel was not reinforced with concrete. In addition to the unreinforced steel,

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

[Pavlov]

:lmao It's only for black people. Nigga please.Not for you.


http://algoxy.com/conc/core.htmlI was imprecise, but thanks for pointing out the concrete reinforced core -- that part stood for many seconds after the collapse. That is absolutely nothing like a controlled demolition in which the core is blown to make the whole building collapse.

Fireproofing was knocked of the unreinforced steel components by, you know, big planes.

[Pavlov]

Ah, if only the government had a webpage with a FAQ concerning the collapse of the WTC towers. That would sure show you.


6. What caused the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?

Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.

If only they would do something that.

[Spurtacular]

Not for you.

I was imprecise, but thanks for pointing out the concrete reinforced core -- that part stood for many seconds after the collapse. That is absolutely nothing like a controlled demolition in which the core is blown to make the whole building collapse.

Fireproofing was knocked of the unreinforced steel components by, you know, big planes.

Some fireproofing was stripped, so the buildings fell and defied all logic. Nigga please.

[Pavlov]

Some fireproofing was stripped, so the buildings fell and defied all logic.How much fireproofing do you estimate a jumbo jet going 500 mph can dislodge?

Give me some science.


6. What caused the collapses of WTC 1 and WTC 2?

Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.
Nigga please.:lmao You're so white.

[Spurtacular]

Fine, have it your way:

Some fireproofing was stripped, so the buildings fell and defied all logic. :lmao Nigga please.

[Pavlov]

Fine, have it your way:

Some fireproofing was stripped, so the buildings fell and defied all logic. How much fireproofing do you estimate a jumbo jet going 500 mph can dislodge?

Give me some science.

Nigga please.Lily white.

[Spurtacular]

Lily white.

What race are you?

[Pavlov]

What race are you?Guess. I'm guessing you're an extra white white guy.

[Spurtacular]

Guess. I'm guessing you're an extra white white guy.

What race are you?

[Pavlov]

What race are you?Guess.

[Spurtacular]

Guess.

I'll go with white.

[Pavlov]

I'll go with white.What gave me away?

[Spurtacular]

What gave me away?

A self-hating white guy. :lmao They literally reappropriated a word for you. Seven letters, sometimes four. Guess.

[Pavlov]

A self-hating white guy. :lmao They literally reappropriated a word for you. Seven letters, sometimes four. Guess.They? Who is they? I like myself just fine tbh. Enough to know I'd look stupid trying to use some of the vernacular of other races or ethnic groups.

[Spurtacular]

They? Who is they? I like myself just fine tbh. Enough to know I'd look stupid trying to use some of the vernacular of other races or ethnic groups.

:lmao "vernacular of other races or ethnic groups."

More like you've been shamed into thinking you have to act in accordance with your whiteness. Good job, cuck.

[Pavlov]

:lmao "vernacular of other races or ethnic groups."

More like you've been shamed into thinking you have to act in accordance with your whiteness. Good job, cuck.No, I just know it would make me look like I'm trying really, really hard. Especially if I were a Mormon. :lol

[Spurtacular]

No, I just know it would make me look like I'm trying really, really hard. Especially if I were a Mormon. :lol

Trying really, really hard to do what?

[Chris]

Sure, for the first time in history it was the fire in record time, defying all laws and science.
According to that retarded theory The Pentagon should have collapsed like a domino, BECAUSE OF DA FIRE! :lmao

:lol

[Pavlov]

Trying really, really hard to do what?Trying really, really hard to not be so white.

[Spurtacular]

Trying really, really hard to not be so white.

And why would I want to try really, really hard to not be so white?

[Pavlov]

And why would I want to try really, really hard to not be so white?You tell me. You're the one trying to use that phrase.

[Spurtacular]

You tell me. You're the one trying to use that phrase.

I wasn't. But why would I want to?

[Pavlov]

I wasn't.Of course you were. Multiple times. You can't deny that.

[Spurtacular]

Of course you were. Multiple times. You can't deny that.

I can deny that. But why would I want to try really, really hard to not be white?

[Pavlov]

I can deny that. But why would I want to try really, really hard to not be white?Your reasons are your own. I won't judge them.

[DarrinS]

You faggots aren't going to persuade each other. Might as well send PMs and hook up.

:lmao

[Pavlov]

You faggots aren't going to persuade each other. Might as well send PMs and hook up.

:lmaoDarrin needs some attention.

[Spurtacular]

Your reasons are your own. I won't judge them.

You're well beyond not judging, bro. But why would I want to try really, really hard to not be white? What would that accomplish?

[Pavlov]

You're well beyond not judging, bro.I'm judging the action, not the motive.
But why would I want to try really, really hard to not be white? What would that accomplish?Theoretically, it would accomplish your not being perceived as being so very white. But it never works. I can judge that.

[Spurtacular]

I'm judging the action, not the motive.

I wouldn't even give you credit for "judging" as much as I'd say you simply serving a canned argument; and you've unraveled upon being held to a light.

[Spurtacular]

Theoretically, it would accomplish your not being perceived as being so very white. But it never works. I can judge that.

Why would I would I be worried about being perceived as white? And why would you want to judge that?

[Pavlov]

I wouldn't even give you credit for "judging" as much as I'd say you simply serving a canned argument; and you've unraveled upon being held to a light.That metaphor makes no sense. Maybe you should find out what a black guy would say in this situation.

[Spurtacular]

That metaphor makes no sense. Maybe you should find out what a black guy would say in this situation.

It doesn't? You think your the first person to worry about a white guy "trying to be black"? Why would I care what a black guy would say in this situation?

[Pavlov]

It doesn't?Nope.
You think your the first person to worry about a white guy "trying to be black"?Not worried at all. I'm ridiculing you.
Why would I care what a black guy would say in this situation?You're they one using their phrases.

[Spurtacular]

Nope.Not worried at all. I'm ridiculing you.You're they one using their phrases.

And yet, I'm not worried one iota what a black guy would say in this situation. Hmmm. Maybe, I don't give a fuck about trying to be black after all.

[Pavlov]

And yet, I'm not worried one iota what a black guy would say in this situation.It was just a suggestion. You metaphor was terrible.
Hmmm. Maybe, I don't give a fuck about trying to be black after all.And yet, you use their phrase multiple times.

Go figure.

[Spurtacular]

It was just a suggestion. You metaphor was terrible.And yet, you use their phrase multiple times.

Go figure.

Stuck on the metaphor still? Bro, it's fitting. You gave me a canned comeback about trying to be black. Two words triggered you. :lmao

"Their phrases" You think a popular idiom is reserved for but a race of people. I could see how this would bring out your inner cuck. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Stuck on the metaphor still?I just said it was terrible.
Bro, it's fitting. You gave me a canned comeback about trying to be black. Two words triggered you. :lmaoTwo words prove you are trying really hard.


"Their phrases" You think a popular idiom is reserved for but a race of people. I could see how this would bring out your inner cuck. :lmaoWhy do you use it?

[Spurtacular]

Why do you use it?

Cos I'm not a self-hating white man who feels a gimpy need to censor myself like you do, cuck.

[Spurtacular]

Two words prove you are trying really hard.


Quite the opposite. Brevity would've been wasted effort. Simple as that.

[Pavlov]

Cos I'm not a self-hating white man who feels a gimpy need to censor myself like you do, cuck.But what is your reason for using it?

[Spurtacular]

But what is your reason for using it?

It was efficient. And apparently it had the added bonus of exposing your cuck tendencies further.

[Pavlov]

Quite the opposite. Brevity would've been wasted effort. Simple as that.A two word phrase is brief. Even black people know that.

[Spurtacular]

A two word phrase is brief. Even black people know that.

Are you trying to make a point, or are you merely stating obvious random concepts?

[Pavlov]

Are you trying to make a point, or are you merely stating obvious random concepts?Yeah, you don't know what the word "brevity" means.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, you don't know what the word "brevity" means.

Yea, I did misuse the word. Maybe, I was "trying really, really hard to be black." :lmao

[Pavlov]

Yea, I did misuse the word. Maybe, I was "trying really, really hard to be black." :lmaoYou were trying, for sure.

[Spurtacular]

Pavlov

You never answered why one would want to try really, really hard to not be white?

[Spurtacular]

You were trying, for sure.

I guess. So, why does two words trigger you?

[Pavlov]

Pavlov

You never answered why one would want to try really, really hard to not be white?I said your reasons are your own. Only the symptoms show, not the disease.

[Pavlov]

I guess. So, why does two words trigger you?They make me ridicule you.

[Spurtacular]

They make me ridicule you.

And what about them makes me worthy of your ridicule?

[Spurtacular]

I said your reasons are your own. Only the symptoms show, not the disease.

What is the disease?

[Pavlov]

And what about them makes me worthy of your ridicule?They're just hilarious when some super white Mormon Jimmer fan uses them.

[Pavlov]

What is the disease?As I said, only the symptoms show.

[Spurtacular]

They're just hilarious when some super white Mormon Jimmer fan uses them.

Sounds like we're back to your self hating.

[Spurtacular]

As I said, only the symptoms show.

Symptoms of what though?

[Pavlov]

Sounds like we're back to your self hating.I'm not a Mormon Jimmer fan but it would be just as ridiculous if I tried it.

[Pavlov]

Symptoms of what though?Whatever issue you got going on.

[Spurtacular]

Whatever issue you got going on.

I don't have the issue; you do. I would never be ashamed of using easily recognizable words during effective communication. But the words triggered you, though.

[Spurtacular]

I'm not a Mormon Jimmer fan but it would be just as ridiculous if I tried it.

So, if I was a Jordan fan you'd be okay with it?

[Pavlov]

I don't have the issue; you do. I would never be ashamed of using easily recognizable words during effective communication. But the words triggered you, though.You're the one defending your use of them for hours. I'm just laughing at a try hard white guy.

[Pavlov]

So, if I was a Jordan fan you'd be okay with it?Jimmer fandom just adds to the fun tbh.

[Spurtacular]

You're the one defending your use of them for hours. I'm just laughing at a try hard white guy.

Defending? I guess technically you could make that argument. But I'm not defensive about it. As it is, I'm exploring your reasons for self hate and your underlying insecurities.

[Spurtacular]

Jimmer fandom just adds to the fun tbh.

But if I was a Jordan fan it'd be okay to use the words?

[Pavlov]

Defending? I guess technically you could make that argument. But I'm not defensive about it. As it is, I'm exploring your reasons for self hate and your underlying insecurities.I'm quite secure in being a white guy who knows he doesn't have to try as hard as you.

[Pavlov]

But if I was a Jordan fan it'd be okay to use the words?You'd still be super white.

[Spurtacular]

You'd still be super white.

What if I was a black Jimmer fan?

[Spurtacular]

I'm quite secure in being a white guy who knows he doesn't have to try as hard as you.

Actually, you try harder than anyone on this board, sadly.

[Spurtacular]

I'm quite secure in being a white guy who knows he doesn't have to try as hard as you.

Quite secure in your racial relegation; it's a requirement for being a cuck.

[Pavlov]

What if I was a black Jimmer fan?
You'd have to be a Mormon so there wold be bigger issues there.

[Pavlov]

Quite secure in your racial relegation; it's a requirement for being a cuck.Relegated? Why would I even want to try to act black like you are trying to do? It's ridiculous.

[Spurtacular]

You'd have to be a Mormon so there wold be bigger issues there.

Putting aside your apparent bigotry, would it be okay for me to talk black if I were black?

[Spurtacular]

Relegated? Why would I even want to try to act black like you are trying to do? It's ridiculous.

I didn't say you wanted to act black. You do however apparently prohibit yourself from doing and saying things that your black superiors do.

[Spurtacular]

92% of millennials favor free speech: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/05/01/poll-millennials-overwhelmingly-support-free-speech-though-protectionism-is-now-n2320713

Awesome; we can get to the business of getting rid of the unconstitutional hate speech laws, then.

[Pavlov]

Putting aside your apparent bigotry, would it be okay for me to talk black if I were black?It's such an impossibility I can't even imagine the hypothetical.

[Pavlov]

I didn't say you wanted to act black. You do however apparently prohibit yourself from doing and saying things that your black superiors do.Nah, I just avoid being a try hard idiot.

[Spurtacular]

Nah, I just avoid being a try hard idiot.

You see the world through a gimpy filter, though. Two words triggering you. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Pavlov

No denial of the fact that you prohibit yourself from acts reserved for your black superiors, cuck. :lmao

[RandomGuy]

So, the govt. does a huge commission to find out the truth of 9/11 and just pretends building 7 never happened. They don't even come up with a faux excuse. That's how dead to rights them and your cuck ass are.

I don't see any evidence in this post either.

It's almost like you don't have any.

[RandomGuy]

I wouldn't even give you credit for "judging" as much as I'd say you simply serving a canned argument; and you've unraveled upon being held to a light.

You have failed to present any evidence here, and have simply, repeatedly, done nothing but repeat your unproven assertions.

Feel free to step up your game at any time, rather than falling back on canned catchphrases.

[RandomGuy]

The media has consistently blacked out truth tellers. That some people allegedly saw a plane over the city is not much. And a video and the scene with no plane pretty much trump that weak shit.

You do understand that an aluminum plane traveling at more than 200MPH slamming into a brick and concrete buildings will sort of make the plane turn in to much smaller pieces, right?

There are hundreds of pictures of plane debris. Hundreds of witnesses that saw American Airlines flight 77 hit the Pentagon.


https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6477d359dc5432b1abcbe8f37b74a1fd-c

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/19/3EC8CF4400000578-0-image-a-8_1490898572039.jpghttp://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-engine5.jpg

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_41.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/19/3EC8CF3400000578-0-image-a-31_1490898896578.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/30/19/3EC8CFCB00000578-0-image-a-22_1490898847176.jpg



One of the most thorough analyses of conspiracy theories about 9/11 was by Popular Mechanics which debunked all claims which deviated from the 9/11 Commission findings.
To those who claimed that there was never any wreckage at the scene, they quoted blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer, who was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash.

Mr Kilsheimer, who is chief executive of KCE Structural Engineers PC in Washington, D.C. said: 'I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.
'I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?'



That is one of the most thoroughly debunked things that people have said about this event.

[RandomGuy]

So, that's really your neanderthal explanation? You do realize that even under the circumstances of the planes crashing, the towers and 7's collapses defy convention, right?

No, they don't, not really.

The towers are simple physics. Once the collapse starts, there is more than enough kinetic energy to collapse the entire structure, as the top 20-30 stories started crashing into the parts below. Feel free to check my math.


http://www.debunk911myths.org/

http://www.jod911.com/


PE= m *9.8*413= 4073m

Mass is, by definition, simply a measurement of how much force a given amount of material will exert AT REST on an object that is resisting gravity.

SOOOO

The top floor would hit the ground with the same force as a 4073 story building, if that fall was unimpeded.

Now let's consider the fall of the top 30 stories.

They fell through the 3-5 floors of damaged sections and impacted the building below with some amount of force.

Let's call the distance accelerated as 3 floors and be generous. This is 11 meters.

Acceration of an object for 11 meters at 70% of gravity(dan's figure), would yeild an ending velocity of:


v^2= 2ad=2*9.8*.7*11=150=v^2, find the square root of 150, and bada bing, you get 12 meters per second

Substitute this into the kinetic energy equation:
ke= 150*.5*m=ke=75m

This means the 30 floor section impacts the undamaged portion with the kinetic energy of SEVENTY FIVE TIMES ITS MASS.

Think about this for a moment.

The lower section of the building is designed to hold that 30 stories stationary plus a safety margin of 10 or 20%. So the maximum force that the underlying structure could apply to that falling section is 1.2 times its mass.

Further:
That falling section having as much kinetic energy as 75 times its mass means that it is effectively applying the same amount of force at the impact point that a 2270 story building would. if you held it stationary. (simple math: 30*75)
For the statement "the building would not have collapsed without explosives" implies that the building could have been TWENTY TWO TIMES TALLER THAN IT ACTUALLY WAS without collapsing. :rolleyes

STILL FURTHER

Your calculations seem to imply that the building structure below could absorb 30% of the falling energy.

IN JUST THE FIRST 11 METERS OF A 400 METER COLLAPSE THERE IS 62 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF FORCE REQUIRED TO COLLAPSE THE BUILDING.

Your assumption of about 1/3 the energy used to collapse the building is about 20 times what is reasonable. (1/62*20= 1/3) (more actually, if you consider the further distance and mass)

What happens, then when MORE mass is added AND accelerated?

Even if half the mass falls away or off to the side, there is still FAR more force and energy than would be needed to collapse the building WITHOUT ANY EXPLOSIVES.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao That you think 1200 fucking degrees below the melting point is anywhere close enough for steel to lose structural integrity. Pseudo science. :lmao

Yes, I do. I not only think it, I know it does.




References to the tensile or compressive strength of steel relate either to the yield strength or ultimate strength. Figure A-5 shows the stress-strain curves for a structural steel (ASTM A36) at room temperature and elevated temperatures. As indicated in the figure, the yield and ultimate strength decrease with temperature as does the modulus of elasticity. Figure A-6 shows the variation of strength with temperature (ratio of strength at elevated temperature to that at room temperature) for hot rolled steel such as A36.
As indicated in the figure, if the steel attains a temperature of 550 degrees Centigrade (1,022 degrees Fahrenheit), the remaining strength is approximately half of the value at ambient temperature.

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/fig-A-5.gif


The modulus of elasticity, E0, is about 210 x 103 MPa for a variety of common steels at room temperature. The variation of the modulus of elasticity with temperature for structural steels and steel reinforcing bars is presented in Figure A-7.
As in the case of strength, if the steel attains a temperature of 550 degrees Centigrade (1,022 degrees Fahrenheit), the modulus of elasticity is reduced to approximately half of the value at ambient temperature.

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/fig-A-6.gif

https://media.dayoftheshirt.com/images/shirts/eWBFY/qwertee_science-it-works_1489183851.full.png


Maybe you can wow me with all the data you have done for your testing of the structural properties of steel under various temperatures.

[RandomGuy]

Photgraphic evidence.

Verifiable physics.

Testible scientific data.


This is what evidence looks like.

Bullshit, on the other hand, usually comes wrapped in smileys and short shit-posts.

[Spurtacular]

I don't see any evidence in this post either.

It's almost like you don't have any.

I wasn't tasked with getting to the bottom of 9/11. The govt. was. Their answer: Pretend building 7 never happened because stooges like you would just accept it. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Photgraphic evidence.

Verifiable physics.

Testible scientific data.


This is what evidence looks like.

Bullshit, on the other hand, usually comes wrapped in smileys and short shit-posts.

Yup, no planes in the photographs of the Pentagon bombing.

Yup, physics verifies that the (concrete enforced) steel holds up in these fires.

Yup, the radiation levels on the ground were certainly testible and inconsistent with the govt. stories.

Bullshit, on the other hand, comes with your pseudo science and willingness to pretend the govt. explanations are not shit.

[RandomGuy]

Yup, no planes in the photographs of the Pentagon bombing.

Yup, physics verifies that the (concrete enforced) steel holds up in these fires.

Yup, the radiation levels on the ground were certainly testible and inconsistent with the govt. stories.

Yup, no evidence for any of your claims.

(slow clap)

[Pavlov]

I wasn't tasked with getting to the bottom of 9/11. The govt. was. Their answer: Pretend building 7 never happened because stooges like you would just accept it. :lmaoIf only the government had studied WTC 7 for years and published a publicly available report dealing solely with WTC 7. That'd sure show you.

[Spurtacular]

You have failed to present any evidence here, and have simply, repeatedly, done nothing but repeat your unproven assertions.

Feel free to step up your game at any time, rather than falling back on canned catchphrases.

Dude, you've presented no evidence to defy the facts that bely the facts. It's one big blanket denial. But if you really want to get into the nitty gritty, then explain away Larry Silverstein saying he gave the order to detonate building 7. Explain why the WTC Commission completely ignored a fucking building falling out of the blue. Go ahead; you ain't got shit.

[Pavlov]

Dude, you've presented no evidence to defy the facts that bely the facts.:lmao

[Spurtacular]

If only the government had studied WTC 7 for years and published a publicly available report dealing solely with WTC 7. That'd sure show you.

Oh, they put out an obscure report away from public scrutiny? Sorry, bro, but the 911 Commission Report was where that should've been. That's a glaring omission.

[Spurtacular]

No, they don't, not really.

The towers are simple physics. Once the collapse starts, there is more than enough kinetic energy to collapse the entire structure, as the top 20-30 stories started crashing into the parts below. Feel free to check my math.

Even in cases of much lesser buildings collapsing, it was done in chunks. The way the towers fell were completely consistent with detonations. "SIMPLE PHYSICS"

[Pavlov]

Oh, they put out an obscure report away from public scrutiny?Actually no.

You haven't scrutinized it?

You haven't researched it?

You haven't studied it?

You haven't seen it?

You didn't know it existed?

lol

[Pavlov]

Even in cases of much lesser buildings collapsing, it was done in chunks. The way the towers fell were completely consistent with detonations. "SIMPLE PHYSICS"Why would the core remain after the rest of the buildings collapsed around them? Does that look like an controlled demolition?