Kyrie for Isaiah trade?

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/900115326175784961

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Cleveland and Boston engaged in active trade discussions centered on Kyrie Irving and Isaiah Thomas, league sources tell The Vertical.

[RsxPiimp]

LOL @ CLEVELAND IF TRUE

[lefty]

LOL @ CLEVELAND IF TRUE

That would be a downgrade for Cle tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

LOL @ CLEVELAND IF TRUE


That would be a downgrade for Cle tbh :lol


That's a far better deal than getting crap like Bledsoe or Aldridge. I don't see how Cleveland turns that down, especially if they can get Boston to include one of their lotto SFs.

[baseline bum]

Man this is going to get really bad for Boston if they don't pull the trigger on the deal now considering Thomas is playing on a below market contract and expecting a big payday next year. Going to Cleveland would be horrible for Thomas if LeBron leaves, since no way the Cavs would give him a max deal if they're in a full rebuild.

[apalisoc_9]

That's a far better deal than getting crap like Bledsoe or Aldridge. I don't see how Cleveland turns that down, especially if they can get Boston to include one of their lotto SFs.

If Hayward wants to play SF, crowder is probably gone.

Cleveland getting both Crowder and Isiah though makes cleveland a better team.

Crowder is huge...Great player to have.

[baseline bum]

Plus Celtic fan has to be furious hearing that. The way Simmons talks, Thomas is by far the most popular Celtic in Boston since Bird.

[baseline bum]

If Hayward wants to play SF, crowder is probably gone.

Cleveland getting both Crowder and Isiah though makes cleveland a better team.

Crowder is huge...Great player to have.

Cleveland's gotta build for the future with James out the door. I'd want Tatum.

[apalisoc_9]

Plus Celtic fan has to be furious hearing that. The way Simmons talks, Thomas is by far the most popular Celtic in Boston since Bird.

Why would they be furious? They have their next great White hope..

[Clipper Nation]

Woj is saying that the Cavs will also get Crowder, Zizic and pick(s) in addition to Isaiah. Tbh, if this happens, the Cavs just fleeced the fuck out of the Celtics.

[apalisoc_9]

Cleveland's gotta build for the future with James out the door. I'd want Tatum.

Thats not going to happen with ainge..At most they get Brown

[apalisoc_9]

Woj is saying that the Cavs will also get Crowder, Zizic and pick(s) in addition to Isaiah. Tbh, if this happens, the Cavs just fleeced the fuck out of the Celtics.

Yup Crowder is the most likely player out...Haywaard wants play the SF so

[benefactor]

Thats not going to happen with ainge..At most they get Brown
Yeah...Ainge isn't RC tbh

[FkLA]

:lol Damn IT was really involved in the Hayward recruitment and now they're just ousting him like that. Pretty cold hearted by Ainge. Wish RC would do the same to Enrique tbh.

[Ray Combs]

:lmao LeBron must be seething. This is the best they could get? An overrated midget, a decent role player, and a second tier prospect? Horrible.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Woj is saying that the Cavs will also get Crowder, Zizic and pick(s) in addition to Isaiah. Tbh, if this happens, the Cavs just fleeced the fuck out of the Celtics.
Unlikely. Ainge wouldn't give up assets for Paul George or Butler.

It has to be IT with a draft pick or Brown + filler.

[baseline bum]

Unlikely. Ainge wouldn't give up assets for Paul George or Butler.

It has to be IT with a draft pick or Brown + filler.

George wasn't going to sign an extension and Irving is not only a better player than Butler, but kills two birds with one stone since it keeps them from having to overpay Thomas next summer.

[Clipper Nation]

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:lmao Ainge
:lmao Celtics

[StrengthAndHonor]

:lol Damn IT was really involved in the Hayward recruitment and now they're just ousting him like that. Pretty cold hearted by Ainge. Wish RC would do the same to Enrique tbh.
Ainge has an inclination to just, you know, rape people. A true savage.

[baseline bum]

:lmao LeBron must be seething. This is the best they could get? An overrated midget, a decent role player, and a second tier prospect? Horrible.

He's got no one to blame but himself for starting this shit when he was trying to get Irving moved.

[StrengthAndHonor]

George wasn't going to sign an extension and Irving is not only a better player than Butler, but kills two birds with one stone since it keeps them from having to overpay Thomas next summer.
Sorry, I love Kyrie but he's not better than Butler.

[Clipper Nation]

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:lol Did the Celtics secretly re-hire Doc Rivers and make him their GM? Because this is a Doc move right here.

[AlexJones]

Monster deal for the Cavs

[RsxPiimp]

decent haul, though the '18 pick is honestly a drop in the bucket for ainge and Brooklyn actually looks decent this year.


irving and Thomas is lateral but I'd honestly rent kyrie than overpay IT who was demanding max.


EC finally got interesting, with the drama between bron and irving. cavs got better because of crowder's inclusion.

[whitemamba]

:lol cavs

[Ray Combs]

:lmao LeBron should be demanding a trade now. Dan Gilbert is purposely trying to piss him off at this point

[Ray Combs]

A top 10 talent in the league, for an overrated midget ballhog, a player who literally represents "average" in every way possible, and a mid to low level Euro prospect.

[Clipper Nation]

A top 10 talent in the league
:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Ray Combs]

Also, the real winner of this trade: Shams beat Woj again. He's definitely the King now.

[Ray Combs]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Name 10 players more talented.

[RsxPiimp]

A top 10 talent in the league, for an overrated midget ballhog, a player who literally represents "average" in every way possible, and a mid to low level Euro prospect.

don't have any horse in this race but imo, it was a smart move by ainge. IT is expiring and is coming off an injury. he'll be 29 before this years all star break.

letting crowder go was an easy decision. logjam at the 3 spot with Hayward and tatum.


ainge is taking a gamble on the nets, hoping they improve which is possible. Celtics still have the the lakers and sac pick(s) iirc.

[Clipper Nation]

Name 10 players more talented.
LeBron, Durant, Curry, Kawhi, CP0, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, Butler, George, Davis, Griffin, Marc Gasol, Cousins, Embiid, Jokic, Porzingis, etc., etc.

:lol Kyrie
:lol "Top 10 talent"

[AlexJones]

A top 10 talent in the league, for an overrated midget ballhog, a player who literally represents "average" in every way possible, and a mid to low level Euro prospect.
omfg

[Ray Combs]

LeBron, Durant, Curry, KawhiNOPE, CP0NOPE, Westbrook, Harden, GiannisNOPE, ButlerNOPE, GeorgeNOPE, Davis, GriffinLMAONOPE, Marc GasolNOPE, CousinsNOPE, EmbiidNOPE, JokicNOPE, Porzingis, etc., etc.

:lol Kyrie
:lol "Top 10 talent"

:lmao not understanding what "talented" means
:lmao only giving 7 legit names
:lmao putting blake griffin on the list

[AlexJones]

Kyrie is marginally better than Klay Thompson, tbh.

[Down Under]

That's a pretty ridiculous trade IMO. On top of IT, you're giving up 2 first rounders, plus a decent 3 & D guy in Crowder for a guy who wanted out of Cleveland anyway. The only positive is Boston doesn't have to Max out IT this offseason.

[Ray Combs]

Kyrie is marginally better than Klay Thompson, tbh.

Don't be purposely obtuse

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao not understanding what "talented" means:lmao only giving 7 legit names:lmao putting blake griffin on the list:cry "Being a black-hole no-defense chucker with a couple flashy dribble moves is real talent!" :cry

[RsxPiimp]

should've kept Bradley though. they literally gave away 2 key defenders smh.

[Thebesteva]

Lmao Gilbert...some
things never change buddy

[UZER]

:cry "Being a black-hole no-defense chucker with a couple flashy dribble moves is real talent!" :cry

Who's better? Chris Paul or Kyrie?

Which delivered in the clutch for his team?

[Chris]

FUCK

[Clipper Nation]

Who's better? Chris Paul or Kyrie?

Which delivered in the clutch for his team?

CP0 is easily the better and more talented player, and I say this as a diehard CP0 hater. Kyrie only gets to be "clutch" when LeBron's out there carrying him and doing all the hard work. Without LeBron, he's never even had the opportunity to be clutch because he's never sniffed the playoffs.

[AlexJones]

Don't be purposely obtuse
I'm serious. Kyrie's defense is pretty bad, even for a PG. He's super dependent on LBJ offensively as well.

[AlexJones]

Who's better? Chris Paul or Kyrie?

Which delivered in the clutch for his team?
Put it this way: Chris Paul is worth probably 5 more wins per year than Kyrie Irving. CP3 would've won a championship and hit clutch shots if he had Lebron on his team.

[Koolaid_Man]

Shall I do the honors my fellow Golden State Lakers fans?

ok here it is...


:lmao the FAGGOT ASS SPURS FANS thought they were getting Kyrie. But those fuck faces ain't getting shit. HAHAHAHAHA No one wants to play in that SHIT HOLE well except Tammy that nigga loves SHIT HOLES :lol

[Koolaid_Man]

Hell of a haul by Boston....Hayward and now Kyrie with the potential for two more good player. If Boston legit signs a Big Man the East is their's for years....

[AlexJones]

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If these 2 teams played a series and the Cavs were -140 and Lebron didn't tear his ACL, i'd be all over them.

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm just glad the Spurs are stuck with Mayonnaise Ginobil, Sweetness Parker, Retard Kiwi, and LaMarKiesha

[Koolaid_Man]

ohhh and MILF PAUssy

[Mitch]

:lol spurms
:lol 70 page jizzfest
:lol "well give them aldrige and theyll take it"
:lol nobody wants to be in fat antonio

[Koolaid_Man]

now that I have everyones attention 20 members and 27 guests it's time for a NiGGA like King Kool to clown and put on a show :lol

[Buddy Mignon]

Cavs go better this off season. Lose Irving and add Rose, IT, and Crowder?

[DeadlyDynasty]

The NBA is like fantasy football in that the team who gets the best player almost always wins the trade. Congrats to Boston

[Koolaid_Man]

Spurs fans thought I was gonna just let them talk about this trade and ignore them salivating over the thought of Kyrie, LOL.....and where that faggot ass faggot Clipper Zero LOL

you fucking Crackers gonna Crack I guess....

[Killakobe81]

don't have any horse in this race but imo, it was a smart move by ainge. IT is expiring and is coming off an injury. he'll be 29 before this years all star break.

letting crowder go was an easy decision. logjam at the 3 spot with Hayward and tatum.


ainge is taking a gamble on the nets, hoping they improve which is possible. Celtics still have the the lakers and sac pick(s) iirc.

Great trade by Ainge. only true value lost was the Nets pick
Cavs GM got bamboozled you dont trade a star without getting the celts best young prospect Tatum ...
hell crowder is a great role player but longterm id rather have Jaylen Brown. both he and IT3 want to get paid ...big $.

[Koolaid_Man]

Cavs go better this off season. Lose Irving and add Rose, IT, and Crowder?

Lebron doesn't want to be there....and trust me bro Lebron and Kyrie planned this shit with all this fake ass drama. Kyrie has 2 yrs left on his contract and Lebron has 1. Lebron went to that nigga and told him he was gone in a year which meant Kyrie would still be stuck there with pressure to resign...so to help Kyrie get out of that extra year early Lebron told that nigga to request a trade now and they would act like that hated each other. It's a win win for both them niggas....they fabricated the fuck outta this shit.... am I the only to see what these niggas just did? :lol

[lefty]

Kyrie for a glorified BJ Armstrong and Crowder is highway robbery

[Koolaid_Man]

See Lebron and Kyrie knew they wasn't gonna ever beat them yellow niggas in Golden State again. Them two yellow pretty boy niggas teamed up with them two nappy headed dark skinned niggas (Dray and KD) and Lebron nem knew they'd never compete with them again. It's why they broke down and did all this shit....they better hope thbee league doesn't investigate their collusion....Lebron been doing this shady shit dam near his whole career. He did the same thing to get to Miami. Dickless fuck

[Buddy Mignon]

Lebron doesn't want to be there....and trust me bro Lebron and Kyrie planned this shit with all this fake ass drama. Kyrie has 2 yrs left on his contract and Lebron has 1. Lebron went to that nigga and told him he was gone in a year which meant Kyrie would still be stuck there with pressure to resign...so to help Kyrie get out of that extra year early Lebron told that nigga to request a trade now and they would act like that hated each other. It's a win win for both them niggas....they fabricated the fuck outta this shit.... am I the only to see what these niggas just did? :lol

If LeBron wins he stays. He loses another Finals he's a Laker.

[Koolaid_Man]

Great trade by Ainge. only true value lost was the Nets pick
Cavs GM got bamboozled you dont trade a star without getting the celts best young prospect Tatum ...
hell crowder is a great role player but longterm id rather have Jaylen Brown. both he and IT3 want to get paid ...big $.

That Nets pick won't be shit....The Nets are a better team and that faggot ass snitch ass fuck boy D-Lo will help them even more

[Clipper Nation]

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[Koolaid_Man]

If LeBron wins he stays. He loses another Finals he's a Laker.

Thaty nigga ain't winning shit else. I don't care where he goes..and the only way I accept him in LA is if they fire Walton's fggot ass and let Kobe coach Lebron...as Too Short would say: Kobe gonna be like:

BIYAAATCH!!!!!

[Killakobe81]

Hell of a haul by Boston....Hayward and now Kyrie with the potential for two more good player. If Boston legit signs a Big Man the East is their's for years....

agree fucking disgusting ...sure Kyrie is a bit overrated but love the trade but hate the cekts even more.
great gamble by Celts

[Koolaid_Man]

meanwhile Pop is still serving up Carrot cake to unsuspecting niggas in SA. LOL

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:lol

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[Killakobe81]

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CN with a good one ...

[lefty]

CN with a good one ...
Bird wasn't racist tho :cry

[Chris]

I wonder how Bostonfan feels about this?

[RsxPiimp]

Great trade by Ainge. only true value lost was the Nets pick
Cavs GM got bamboozled you dont trade a star without getting the celts best young prospect Tatum ...
hell crowder is a great role player but longterm id rather have Jaylen Brown. both he and IT3 want to get paid ...big $.

yeah. I totally forgot about brown :lol and wow, they still have marcus morris at the 3?


crowder needed to be traded tbh. he's a filler once LeBron leaves, he's not much of an asset and IT is going to be 30 yrs old when he's eligible for a big fat contract.


the nets 18' pick needs to convert to a top 5 imo otherwise it's a win for the Celtics.

[Clipper Nation]

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[140]

I wonder how Bostonfan feels about this? Boston Pancake

[AlexJones]

Do people realize that this wasn't a straight up Kyrie for Isiah trade? The Celtics added in Jae Crowder, who's a legit top 75 player in the NBA and also the Nets pick. That's a huge haul.


If you aren't a fan of RPM on its own, we can look at BPM, Basketball Reference's all-inclusive rate statistic. Irving ranks 15th (!!) in BPM and 13th in VORP (win value over replacement player). Why is Kyrie rated so poorly when he clearly has an impressive athletic ability? His defense is extremely suspect. In both RPM and BPM, about half of Kyrie's offensive value is sacrificed to his defensive liabilities.

On the flip side, Isaiah Thomas ranks 11th in wins and 13th in RPM; one spot behind Kyrie in each metric. Thus, if Thomas' efficiency continues for the Cavs, they've lost almost no value with the loss of Kyrie. If we add Jae Crowder to the mix, a plus player on both ends of the court, according to RPM and BPM, this trade heavily favors the Cavaliers and they haven't made use of the unprotected Brooklyn pick for next season that will be at least a top five pick. Sure, Crowder is an auxiliary player that doesn't typically create his own shots, but he'll continue to have Thomas along with the best creator in the NBA on his team to help get him efficient looks.

[Koolaid_Man]

The Celtics added in Jae Crowder, who's a legit top 75 player in the NBA


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

So am I dude. I'm legit top 75 too.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Do people realize that this wasn't a straight up Kyrie for Isiah trade? The Celtics added in Jae Crowder, who's a legit top 75 player in the NBA and also the Nets pick. That's a huge haul.

:lol

Do you remember Trenton Hassell and Adrian Griffin? Because that's what Jae Crowder is.

[Killakobe81]

Btw i want the Celts to lose this trade ...
hate those guys but Ainge did well ..

[lefty]

:lol

Do you remember Trenton Hassell and Adrian Griffin? Because that's what Jae Crowder is.

[DMC]

If LeBron thought he wasn't getting the shots before

[StrengthAndHonor]

The biggest winner here is Kyrie. He got an elite coach, a deep young team and a system that will be built around him. Most importantly, he's the undeniable face of a legendary franchise with a real shot to win an MVP in the next 3 years.

[resistanze]

That's as big as a haul you can expect in a situation where you must trade your second best player.

[Thread]

Glory be. Glory be in the highest.

He ain't comin' here.

-BLED- remains.

[dfens]

just lol at all this thread ... the cavs are getting enormous value out of their poor situation. Getting rid of kyrie who is an overrated nigballer and getting excellent plaster pieces in return, so they can use their available talent (lebron, love) better against GSW. They're also getting a 30 ppg scorer who won't bitch constantly. Also if lebron leaves they can clean house easily and tank for picks quickly. Just lol, this is a great move by the cavs if it's real.

Also there is this belief that getting the best player is winning the trade, well that is valid for top 10 player not for one way chuckers, especially when talking about already talented teams .. e.g. melo trade. Kyrie is so overrated :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

A+ move for the cavs.

D- for Boston.

two years of kyrie is easily the same value as that brooklyn pick unless boston expects brooklyn to plau much better this year

[Killakobe81]

now that he aint heading to SA ...Kyrie a scrub

[StrengthAndHonor]

If LeBron wins he stays. He loses another Finals he's a Laker.
You're delusional, Prabhakar. Lebron is not joining a lottery team.

[UZER]

now that he aint heading to SA ...Kyrie a scrub

Sounds like Laker fan when a FA goes elsewhere.

[dfens]

just saw the trade in full. lol celtics tbh.

- brought kyrie as the man on a team where hayward will be the man (more complete player). On a team still inferior to the cavs, so locker room drama is guaranteed.
- both hayward and kyrie and iso heavy players, I know they have stevens as a coach but still, kyrie won't get the same easy looks as he got by playing with lebronze.
- gave away a guaranteed top 5 pick (that nets roster is garbage) when it wasn't needed, to a team in desperate need of youth, next year draft is stacked.
- lost depth in crowder who is a +/++ defender, in a summer in which they lost avery bradley too ... half that lineup doesn't know a thing about defense.
- cleveland won't mind that midget is injured (tv says he isn't badly injured) as they have depth and they'll probably use him more on the 2nd unit at first.
- cleveland might flip that pick for something else ... they have some options here.
- cleveland basically got max value for irving with no leverage...
- cleveland get back in play for '18 lebron, so the whole boston team of the future idea might be taking a nosedive .. they aren't beating the cavs right now, not with that non-existent rebounding and pedestrian defense.
- cleveland get lebronze exactly what he wants : someone to defend the perimeter and someone to handle the ball, in order to decrease his load. Playoffs lebron is still the best player in the league.
- ainge wouldn't move that pick for paul george and jimmy butler who are top 10 two way players but he moved it and a lot more for irving, who has a 20% win rate without lebronze.

The reality is that ainge was probably under some pressure after an underwhelming summer and he jumped on this trade. Ainge is protected from the management as boston have depth and assets and now also big names, but in terms of long term strategy they made a lateral move while greatly helping out their most relevant competition ... bad move tbh.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I still see this as a better deal for Boston. They basically traded Crowder and Brooklyn's '18 pick for Irving. They were never going to pay IT a max deal. It's a smart investment move. IT's salary will include a whopping $40.8 million on the final year of his contract when he'll be 35 y/o.

[Killakobe81]

I still see this as a better deal for Boston. They basically traded Crowder and Brooklyn's '18 pick for Irving. They were never going to pay IT a max deal. It's a smart investment move. IT's salary will include a whopping $40.8 million on the final year of his contract when he'll be 35 y/o.

this ...

[Killakobe81]

Sounds like Laker fan when a FA goes elsewhere.

i call em scrubs before FA starts ...wont say scrub but pg13, IT4, Boogie Jimmy Butler are vastly overrated as max guys imho.

[StrengthAndHonor]

this ...
Irving will surprise a lot of people. He's been unfairly criticized during the first 2 years of his career. I couldn't imagine a better situation for him. Cavs will be looking at how they traded a Top 10 player at the end of next season.

[baseline bum]

LOL

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[dbreiden83080]

Good job. You traded away your franchise PG for a midget. Well done..

[DMC]

You have to get rid of those who want to be gotten rid of. He's not going to help you otherwise. At least that midget will want to win, even if he's a chucker extraordinaire.

[lmbebo]

Gotta say Boston wins this. Mostly because they've been garbage at drafting players for the past few years. They get a proven commodity. Haven't turned this haul of Nets picks into anything useful.

[SuperCam]

damn boston gets rid of a midget for a 25 year old superstar :wow in a league full of more pussy beta males than ever it's refreshing seeing a player like Killa' Kyrie make this move tbh

[Killakobe81]

damn boston gets rid of a midget for a 25 year old superstar :wow in a league full of more pussy beta males than ever it's refreshing seeing a player like Killa' Kyrie make this move tbh

apparently dude IT4 has hips like my grandma ...
even worse trade than I thought ...

[UZER]

apparently dude IT4 has hips like my grandma ...
even worse trade than I thought ...

Wide?

[Mal]

If this gets voided :lol

Why Cavs bother ? He's got one year on 7 mil. If the can play half the season, it's still worth it. After this season - Crowder, Zizic and nets pick is great deal for player that don't want to play there anymore. LeBron is leaving, you've got plenty of assets to do fast rebuild.

[LkrFan]

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Hope the Cavs void this shiiiiiiiiiiit! :rollin :lmao :rollin

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:lmao

[LkrFan]

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:lol

[Killakobe81]

If this gets voided :lol

Why Cavs bother ? He's got one year on 7 mil. If the can play half the season, it's still worth it. After this season - Crowder, Zizic and nets pick is great deal for player that don't want to play there anymore. LeBron is leaving, you've got plenty of assets to do fast rebuild.

fuck that for Kyrie a legit star if no it4 you need Tatum or Brown ...
they were other offers ...onmy sure value is Nets pick ...fuck that trade use it as a starting point to get more from celts or phx etc.

[Killakobe81]

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Hope the Cavs void this shiiiiiiiiiiit! :rollin :lmao :rollin

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what is thst from? i think i have seen but cant call it ..

[Chris Fall]

Bernie Mac in Head of State?

[Clipper Nation]

The Cavs will make Ainge fork over another pick and complete the deal, imho.

[monosylab1k]

It would have been a sneaky smart move if Cleveland did the deal knowing they could use the injury as a way to either milk Boston of more assets, or to void it and completely fuck up their biggest EC rival before the season even starts. Kyrie is already disgruntled and wants out, so it's not like it really hurts the Cavs in any way. But tbh, nobody in Cleveland upper management is smart enough for shit like that.

[lefty]

The Cavs will make Ainge fork over another pick and complete the deal, imho.

This.

I'm disappointed the trade isn't going to fail tbh.
Since I started this thread, it would have cemented my place in mount Rushmore of jinxers :lol

[Killakobe81]

The Cavs will make Ainge fork over another pick and complete the deal, imho.

i hope rhey give up lakers pick much rather it go to Cleveland ...

[LkrFan]

what is thst from? i think i have seen but cant call it ..

I have no idea. Funny AF though :lol

[LkrFan]

It would have been a sneaky smart move if Cleveland did the deal knowing they could use the injury as a way to either milk Boston of more assets, or to void it and completely fuck up their biggest EC rival before the season even starts. Kyrie is already disgruntled and wants out, so it's not like it really hurts the Cavs in any way. But tbh, nobody in Cleveland upper management is smart enough for shit like that.

Ainge is the sneaky one. Peep this out:

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Hope this blows up in his face tbh.

[RsxPiimp]

id balk on renegotiating if the cavs wants more. it's their loss, they can't get a better deal on a player who doesn't want to be there. crowder, Brooklyn 1st and zizic is already a fair haul.

[Thread]

id balk on renegotiating if the cavs wants more. it's their loss, they can't get a better deal on a player who doesn't want to be there. crowder, Brooklyn 1st and zizic is already a fair haul.

Ainge has always been an Indian giver. He's been reading the newspapers and finding he got fleeced so I'm sure he had the doctor soldier on this situation.

[RsxPiimp]

Ainge has always been an Indian giver. He's been reading the newspapers and finding he got fleeced so I'm sure he had the doctor soldier on this situation.

yeah, which is why I would be surprised if he parts with another pick or one of the other prospect (smart, roser) but I think ownership will pressure danny to cave.


most of these picks and pieces were from his previous robbery anyway. why don't you do the nba a solid, danny.

[baseline bum]

:lol

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[Killakobe81]

yeah, which is why I would be surprised if he parts with another pick or one of the other prospect (smart, roser) but I think ownership will pressure danny to cave.


most of these picks and pieces were from his previous robbery anyway. why don't you do the nba a solid, danny.

i think outside the BK PICK, haul is, overrated AF ...
I called it at time of trade and now reports are they want an additional asset which i was arguing for from the start.

[Quadzilla99]

i think outside the BK PICK, haul is, overrated AF ...
I called it at time of trade and now reports are they want an additional asset which i was arguing for from the start.
There's a lottery too obviously and the record of just like the third through sixth pics is super spotty if you scroll through so could be getting next to nothing for him

[Killakobe81]

celts and cavs both cave ...
cavs should have held out for a late 1st
Bos should have held their guns if their offer was so impressive and IT4 is fine or will be ...
glad its done

[daslicer]

what is thst from? i think i have seen but cant call it ..

It was from the movie Head of State. It's a movie where Chris Rock runs for president and wins. The guy in this clip is Bernie Mac who was Chris' running mate in the movie.

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[monosylab1k]

It would have been a sneaky smart move if Cleveland did the deal knowing they could use the injury as a way to either milk Boston of more assets, or to void it and completely fuck up their biggest EC rival before the season even starts. Kyrie is already disgruntled and wants out, so it's not like it really hurts the Cavs in any way. But tbh, nobody in Cleveland upper management is smart enough for shit like that.

Never mind, the Cavs are just retarded.

[The Gemini Method]

Added a 2nd Round pick? What year is that one due? 2020? I knew they'd have to pony up something else with the hip issue. At least the East has 2 viable teams now. May make next season somewhat tolerable.

[Ice009]

just saw the trade in full. lol celtics tbh.

- brought kyrie as the man on a team where hayward will be the man (more complete player). On a team still inferior to the cavs, so locker room drama is guaranteed.
- both hayward and kyrie and iso heavy players, I know they have stevens as a coach but still, kyrie won't get the same easy looks as he got by playing with lebronze.
- gave away a guaranteed top 5 pick (that nets roster is garbage) when it wasn't needed, to a team in desperate need of youth, next year draft is stacked.
- lost depth in crowder who is a +/++ defender, in a summer in which they lost avery bradley too ... half that lineup doesn't know a thing about defense.
- cleveland won't mind that midget is injured (tv says he isn't badly injured) as they have depth and they'll probably use him more on the 2nd unit at first.
- cleveland might flip that pick for something else ... they have some options here.
- cleveland basically got max value for irving with no leverage...
- cleveland get back in play for '18 lebron, so the whole boston team of the future idea might be taking a nosedive .. they aren't beating the cavs right now, not with that non-existent rebounding and pedestrian defense.
- cleveland get lebronze exactly what he wants : someone to defend the perimeter and someone to handle the ball, in order to decrease his load. Playoffs lebron is still the best player in the league.
- ainge wouldn't move that pick for paul george and jimmy butler who are top 10 two way players but he moved it and a lot more for irving, who has a 20% win rate without lebronze.

The reality is that ainge was probably under some pressure after an underwhelming summer and he jumped on this trade. Ainge is protected from the management as boston have depth and assets and now also big names, but in terms of long term strategy they made a lateral move while greatly helping out their most relevant competition ... bad move tbh.

Ainge fucked up IMO. Either Jimmy Butler or Paul George would have been better. You're right, he wouldn't give up that pick for either, but he did for a lesser player (IMO).

Also, I am very interested what you guys think about them using that pick in a trade. A friend of mine was telling me that they want DeMarcus Cousins (first I heard of that was from him). You think if they trade that pick with Crowder and filler that that would be enough to get someone like Cousins? I think Cousins would be a small ball killer and can give the Warriors all kinds of problems (that's why he was a top 3 target for who I wanted the Spurs to go after last trade deadline).

[Killakobe81]

It was from the movie Head of State. It's a movie where Chris Rock runs for president and wins. The guy in this clip is Bernie Mac who was Chris' running mate in the movie.

anILOkZWf0I

knew I seen it ..had some funny moments ...

[RsxPiimp]

IT is fucking trash:lol. ainge went balls deep again.

[lefty]

IT is fucking trash:lol. ainge went balls deep again.
As I've always said : glorified BJ Armstrong

[spurraider21]

how many times does Ainge have to shit on ST before they stop ripping every move he makes? :lol

:cry why didnt he trade all his picks for paul george.... signs hayward, keeps assets (obviously, cant pin the injury on ainge)
:cry why did he trade those assets for kyrie.... :lol isaiah thomas

boston is still in a great position short and long term because of ainge managing assets. young core, young coach, and still are rich in draft picks (https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed). they're improving by developing talent while cleveland keeps trying to reload with veterans

[SuperCam]

Woj is saying that the Cavs will also get Crowder, Zizic and pick(s) in addition to Isaiah. Tbh, if this happens, the Cavs just fleeced the fuck out of the Celtics.

No surprise cripple nation chimed in with the worst take of all tbh :lol

[Killakobe81]

just saw the trade in full. lol celtics tbh.

- brought kyrie as the man on a team where hayward will be the man (more complete player). On a team still inferior to the cavs, so locker room drama is guaranteed.
- both hayward and kyrie and iso heavy players, I know they have stevens as a coach but still, kyrie won't get the same easy looks as he got by playing with lebronze.
- gave away a guaranteed top 5 pick (that nets roster is garbage) when it wasn't needed, to a team in desperate need of youth, next year draft is stacked.
- lost depth in crowder who is a +/++ defender, in a summer in which they lost avery bradley too ... half that lineup doesn't know a thing about defense.
- cleveland won't mind that midget is injured (tv says he isn't badly injured) as they have depth and they'll probably use him more on the 2nd unit at first.
- cleveland might flip that pick for something else ... they have some options here.
- cleveland basically got max value for irving with no leverage...
- cleveland get back in play for '18 lebron, so the whole boston team of the future idea might be taking a nosedive .. they aren't beating the cavs right now, not with that non-existent rebounding and pedestrian defense.
- cleveland get lebronze exactly what he wants : someone to defend the perimeter and someone to handle the ball, in order to decrease his load. Playoffs lebron is still the best player in the league.
- ainge wouldn't move that pick for paul george and jimmy butler who are top 10 two way players but he moved it and a lot more for irving, who has a 20% win rate without lebronze.

The reality is that ainge was probably under some pressure after an underwhelming summer and he jumped on this trade. Ainge is protected from the management as boston have depth and assets and now also big names, but in terms of long term strategy they made a lateral move while greatly helping out their most relevant competition ... bad move tbh.

so much fail in this thread the overrating of Crowder by both metrics and casual fans is hilarious ...
only true value so far is the nets pick and a 2nd rounder ...
crowder and IT have been net negatives, but still half a season to go ...
but my insticts were almost 100% accurate

[Killakobe81]

Great trade by Ainge. only true value lost was the Nets pick
Cavs GM got bamboozled you dont trade a star without getting the celts best young prospect Tatum ...
hell crowder is a great role player but longterm id rather have Jaylen Brown. both he and IT3 want to get paid ...big $.

bump

[Killakobe81]

i think outside the BK PICK, haul is, overrated AF ...
I called it at time of trade and now reports are they want an additional asset which i was arguing for from the start.

bump

[spursistan]

Great trade by Ainge. only true value lost was the Nets pick
Cavs GM got bamboozled you dont trade a star without getting the celts best young prospect Tatum ...
hell crowder is a great role player but longterm id rather have Jaylen Brown. both he and IT3 want to get paid ...big $.
Yep, looking like Cavs got completely destroyed in this trade unless that Nets picks deliver a prospect with All-Star ceiling. :lol..

[spurraider21]

how many times does Ainge have to shit on ST before they stop ripping every move he makes? :lol

:cry why didnt he trade all his picks for paul george.... signs hayward, keeps assets (obviously, cant pin the injury on ainge)
:cry why did he trade those assets for kyrie.... :lol isaiah thomas

boston is still in a great position short and long term because of ainge managing assets. young core, young coach, and still are rich in draft picks (https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed). they're improving by developing talent while cleveland keeps trying to reload with veterans

[Clipper Nation]

I still think Ainge should have kept the Brooklyn pick, tbh. These playoffs have proved how overrated Kyrie truly is.

[spurraider21]

I still think Ainge should have kept the Brooklyn pick, tbh. These playoffs have proved how overrated Kyrie truly is.
well, kyrie is an offensive savant... despite his hero/isoball style, he's been incredibly efficient for the last few years. shoots high percentages across the board, doesn't turn the ball over all that much.

the celtics dont really need that when you have Tatum/Brown combining for 40ppg seemingly every night, Horford averaging 17, and Rozier averaging an uncharacteristic 18ppg in the playoffs. They've gotten enough contributions in a 2014-Spurs style manner that they don't need an isoball 25ppg scorer. but pre all star game, when Brown/Tatum were scoring ~14ppg apiece, kyrie was there to carry the load on offense.

but yes, when Tatum/Brown are playing this well, and Rozier is playing the best ball of his life, Kyrie isn't really needed. they dont rely on his offense enough to justify his lackadaisical defense. still, he's a significantly better asset than the package they sent over to Cleveland, and yes that includes the first round pick. his 20 mil salary next year is suddenly very reasonable given the state of the cap, and they can easily find a team to trade him to, considering how well he's played this year. considering they're getting hayward back next year, that's yet another good offensive player in the mix, making kyrie even less useful to them.

[SuperCam]

Yep, looking like Cavs got completely destroyed in this trade unless that Nets picks deliver a prospect with All-Star ceiling. :lol..

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Gilbertstein :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

A top 10 NBA player?:lol wtf?

[spurraider21]

lets revisit some GOAT level takes tbh

[SuperCam]

Woj is saying that the Cavs will also get Crowder, Zizic and pick(s) in addition to Isaiah. Tbh, if this happens, the Cavs just fleeced the fuck out of the Celtics.


what a flaming faggot of a take :lmao

[SuperCam]

LeBron, Durant, Curry, Kawhi, CP0, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, Butler, George, Davis, Griffin, Marc Gasol, Cousins, Embiid, Jokic, Porzingis, etc., etc.

:lol Kyrie
:lol "Top 10 talent"

:lol

[baseline bum]

:lol

Not trying to diss Kyrie but PG13 is having a monster season. Irving is a little better statistically but their production is pretty close and it wouldn't be crazy either way to choose one over the other.

[Rob Gronkowski]

how many times does Ainge have to shit on ST before they stop ripping every move he makes? :lol

:cry why didnt he trade all his picks for paul george.... signs hayward, keeps assets (obviously, cant pin the injury on ainge)
:cry why did he trade those assets for kyrie.... :lol isaiah thomas

boston is still in a great position short and long term because of ainge managing assets. young core, young coach, and still are rich in draft picks (https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed). they're improving by developing talent while cleveland keeps trying to reload with veterans
lol

[spurraider21]

Tbh i didn’t know they’d blow every draft pick :lol

[ambchang]

What’s wrong with Boston though? They just dropped off even though they still, in theory, have some nice decent players.

[lefty]

What’s wrong with Boston though? They just dropped off even though they still, in theory, have some nice decent players.

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