Baseball's Miguel Cabrera auditions for UFC

[AlexJones]

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[AlexJones]

0 chance anyone in soccer can take on big miggy

[apalisoc_9]

That's what happnes if you dont prepare enough hamburgers for everyone...

[Bynumite]

Basically the only time people care and talk about snoozeball is when their "athletes" are punching the air.

[313]

fuck the yankees

[Chris]

Meanwhile random Povertyballer is auditioning for gay porn :lol

[FkLA]

Fatty Cabrera is twice that catcher's size and still got his ass beat because he's a fat fatball player . :lol

[midnightpulp]

Fatty Cabrera is twice that catcher's size and still got his ass beat because he's a fat fatball player . :lol

Miggy isn't even fat. And the catcher is also a "fatball" player, who executed a nice double leg takedown. Fighting is yet another thing baseball players are better at than Doublehandjoball players.

http://remezcla.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/giphy1.gif?x28508

http://68.media.tumblr.com/c05d86952c246418fe28703974de72ea/tumblr_mn3m915DmV1qm9rypo1_1280.jpg

vs.

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http://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/soccer-dive-headbutts.gif

Baseball. Always. Wins.

[Reck]

Fatty Cabrera is twice that catcher's size and still got his ass beat because he's a fat fatball player . :lol

In what world did he get beat?

A shove a couple of punches that actually landed + a takedown. That's call a trifecta.

[midnightpulp]

In what world did he get beat?

A shove a couple of punches that actually landed + a takedown. That's call a trifecta.

If you watch the vid closely, it looked like Romine could've possibly had Miggy's in a mount (lol MMGAY terms) if the fight weren't broken up. Not saying it would've happened, but Romine was kind of beginning to turn him over before the break up.

I still give Miggy the W, though.

[Clipper Nation]

Miggy could probably whoop McGregor's ass, tbh.

[Chris]

https://media.giphy.com/media/tyCpgcTyMzMIM/giphy.gif

http://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/soccer-dive-headbutts.gif

:lmao

[Reck]

Miggy isn't even fat. And the catcher is also a "fatball" player, who executed a nice double leg takedown. Fighting is yet another thing baseball players are better at than Doublehandjoball players.

http://remezcla.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/giphy1.gif?x28508

http://68.media.tumblr.com/c05d86952c246418fe28703974de72ea/tumblr_mn3m915DmV1qm9rypo1_1280.jpg

vs.

https://media.giphy.com/media/tyCpgcTyMzMIM/giphy.gif

http://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/soccer-dive-headbutts.gif

Baseball. Always. Wins.

Bautista still feeling that one. I bet he hears his jaws click everytime he yawns.

[midnightpulp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2-t9UFBG18

:lmao Calling out soccer's pussies.

[apalisoc_9]

Not even fights can make baseball interesting..

Baseball is dying.

[Reck]

Not even fights can make baseball interesting..

Baseball is dying.

It's been dying for the past 100 or so years.

That's one of the most laziest and tired rebuttal I see haters use to make fun of Baseball. It's unoriginal.

[midnightpulp]

Not even fights can make baseball interesting..

Baseball is dying.

TV ratings and attendance say otherwise, but keep believing that myth.

[apalisoc_9]

Baseball is just like a wedding social nowadys tbh. People watch the games cause its cheap and easy way to take your girl out..

[midnightpulp]

Baseball is just like a wedding social nowadys tbh. People watch the games cause its cheap and easy way to take your girl out..

TV ratings are still better than the NBA. Indians outdraw the Cavs in Cleveland. Sox outdraw the Celtics in Boston. Yanks crush the Knicks in NY. MLB All Star game beats the NBA All Star Game. Homerun Derby beats the Slam Dunk contest. It's still the second most popular sport in the US.

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/56eafd6c91058428008b71f6/only-5-of-americans-call-the-nba-their-favorite-sport.jpg

The only reason people have the perception that "baseball is dying" is because it was supplanted by the NFL. And nothing can compete with the NFL here, so that point is silly.

[Reck]

TV ratings are still better than the NBA. Indians outdraw the Cavs in Cleveland. Sox outdraw the Celtics in Boston. Yanks crush the Knicks in NY. MLB All Star game beats the NBA All Star Game. Homerun Derby beats the Slam Dunk contest. It's still the second most popular sport in the US.

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/56eafd6c91058428008b71f6/only-5-of-americans-call-the-nba-their-favorite-sport.jpg

The only reason people have the perception that "baseball is dying" is because it was supplanted by the NFL. And nothing can compete with the NFL here, so that point is silly.

:lol Soccer cant even keep up with NASCAR.

[midnightpulp]

It's been dying for the past 100 or so years.

That's one of the most laziest and tired rebuttal I see haters use to make fun of Baseball. It's unoriginal.

It's healthier than it's ever been. Look how attendance increased from baseball's supposed golden age:

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3973925/MLB_Attendance_2.png

Regionally, baseball beats the NBA and NHL by a good margin. Even the Cavs don't draw as well as the Indians. The Astros do better than the Rockets in Houston, etc.

The perception that baseball is dying is from the fact that it doesn't generate artificial controversy (LaVar Ball, twitter beefs, National Anthem protests, etc) for ESPN talking heads to debate, so it gets little air time on "hot take" shows compared to the NBA and NFL. The lack of a "national star" like Lebron, Curry, Tom Brady, which is due to baseball's regionality more than anything. A Cubs fan will like Kris Bryant, a Reds fan will like Joey Votto, a Marlins fan will like Stanton, etc. No baseball fan is going to bandwagon Aaron Judge like fans in basketball bandwagon Lebron. World Series ratings have always been fine when put into context. Before last year's mega matchup, it was a lot of small market teams making it. Furthermore, the World Series has to go against the NFL and the October roll out of new shows. The NBA faces no competition in June.

There's no evidence baseball is dying aside from clickbait articles that use ESPN national ratings to make their case (which makes no sense, since people watch baseball on an RSN).

[apalisoc_9]

25% to 15%..Man lardball is really dying.

[Reck]

It's healthier than it's ever been. Look how attendance increased from baseball's supposed golden age:

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3973925/MLB_Attendance_2.png

Regionally, baseball beats the NBA and NHL by a good margin. Even the Cavs don't draw as well as the Indians. The Astros do better than the Rockets in Houston, etc.

The perception that baseball is dying is from the fact that it doesn't generate artificial controversy (LaVar Ball, twitter beefs, National Anthem protests, etc) for ESPN talking heads to debate, so it gets little air time on "hot take" shows compared to the NBA and NFL. The lack of a "national star" like Lebron, Curry, Tom Brady, which is due to baseball's regionality more than anything. A Cubs fan will like Kris Bryant, a Reds fan will like Joey Votto, a Marlins fan will like Stanton, etc. No baseball fan is going to bandwagon Aaron Judge like fans in basketball bandwagon Lebron. World Series ratings have always been fine when put into context. Before last year's mega matchup, it was a lot of small market teams making it. Furthermore, the World Series has to go against the NFL and the October roll out of new shows. The NBA faces no competition in June.

There's no evidence baseball is dying aside from clickbait articles that use ESPN national ratings to make their case (which makes no sense, since people watch baseball on an RSN).

Yeah, you dont have to convince me. I was being sarcastic with apoc.

Been hearing that nonsense talking point for as long as I have been interested in Baseball which is most of my life.

The funny thing is even if it were true, it's still more relevant and more closely followed than soccer. At least in America.

[midnightpulp]

25% to 15%..Man lardball is really dying.

You're retarded. Baseball lost its number one status to football and nothing else. You'll see that the NBA, NHL, and faggot soccer saw zero growth as baseball declined.

Also, favortism isn't a zero sum game. It's not like someone whose favorite sport is football will watch only that. And on the latest gallup poll, 48% of Americans consider themselves a fan of baseball compared to 33% for basketball.

[apalisoc_9]

Like I said, baseball is nothing but a mere Social Sport nowadys.

It's a good sport to go to and have a burger with a girl you're trying to pound. Nothing more.

Basketball, Football, Soccer, NHL etc All have committed Passionate fans..

Baseball is a good way to get laid though..Ill give you that. cheap tickets etc...Get a kiss. it's good.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, you dont have to convince me. I was being sarcastic with apoc.

Been hearing that nonsense talking point for as long as I have been interested in Baseball which is most of my life.

The funny thing is even if it were true, it's still more relevant and more closely followed than soccer. At least in America.

Oh yeah, I know. I was echoing your point. Baseball (and cricket in cricket playing countries) will always be "alive" (at least in our lifetimes) because they are fundamentally unique team sports compared to goal sport #668769. Basketball, soccer, football, hockey are all small variations on the same concept, while bat-and-ball sports are something completely different and a welcomed change of pace from watching guys on a rectangle trying move a ball around.

[midnightpulp]

Like I said, baseball is nothing but a mere Social Sport nowadys.

It's a good sport to go to and have a burger with a girl you're trying to pound. Nothing more.

Basketball, Football, Soccer, NHL etc All have committed Passionate fans..

Baseball is a good way to get laid though..Ill give you that. cheap tickets etc...Get a kiss. it's good.

I already exploded your dumb myth that people just go to baseball games for the social experience by citing television ratings and regional tv ratings.

Baseball also beats ALL sports in merchandise sales.


The Licensing Letter’s 2010 Sports Licensing Report issue projects that MLB will sell $2.75 billion in licensed merchandise this year compared to $2.7 billion in NFL product. The NBA will pull in a projected $1.75 billion in gross sales for its logoed gear and the NHL will make $630 million in sales.

Yeah, those "non-passionate fans" spending non-passionate money on merchandise for teams they support only out of casual social interest. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

I already exploded your dumb myth that people just go to baseball games for the social experience by citing television ratings and regional tv ratings.

Baseball also beats ALL sports in merchandise sales.



Yeah, those "non-passionate fans" spending non-passionate money on merchandise for teams they support only out of casual social interest. :lol

Baskeball and Soccer shirts are the only two fashionable sports uniforms..What do you expect?

both shirts are good fit.

No one casually buys football, Hocky and basketball shirts for "fashion"

I am well aware that baseball has the most fashionable shirts. I have Blue jays that I wear one when I go watch an ABL game...

[midnightpulp]

Baskeball and Soccer shirts are the only two fashionable sports uniforms..What do you expect?

both shirts are good fit.

No one casually buys football, Hocky and basketball shirts for "fashion"

I am well aware that baseball has the most fashionable shirts. I have Blue jays that I wear one when I go watch an ABL game...

Anecdotes again :lol

You'll never understand. Baseball is HUGE regionally. I don't know how many times I have to keep telling you to get it through your head that baseball games often outdraw the NBA and NHL teams in that market. Those fans in turn buy merchandise to show pride in their local teams. If you want anecdotes, Laker gear is pretty irrelevant here compared to Dodger gear. People really only care about the Lakers when they are winning or have a marketable star. Dodgers lead the league in attendance even when they're shitty.

:lol You so badly want baseball to die because :cry they don't run around :cry, but there's zero evidence of that. Sorry.

[Reck]

Anecdotes again :lol

You'll never understand. Baseball is HUGE regionally. I don't know how many times I have to keep telling you to get it through your head that baseball games often outdraw the NBA and NHL teams in that market. Those fans in turn buy merchandise to show pride in their local teams. If you want anecdotes, Laker gear is pretty irrelevant here compared to Dodger gear. People really only care about the Lakers when they are winning or have a marketable star. Dodgers lead the league in attendance even when they're shitty.

:lol You so badly want baseball to die because :cry they don't run around :cry, but there's zero evidence of that. Sorry.

I cant believe you're still arguing with this guy. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Anecdotes again :lol

You'll never understand. Baseball is HUGE regionally. I don't know how many times I have to keep telling you to get it through your head that baseball games often outdraw the NBA and NHL teams in that market. Those fans in turn buy merchandise to show pride in their local teams. If you want anecdotes, Laker gear is pretty irrelevant here compared to Dodger gear. People really only care about the Lakers when they are winning or have a marketable star. Dodgers lead the league in attendance even when they're shitty.

:lol You so badly want baseball to die because :cry they don't run around :cry, but there's zero evidence of that. Sorry.

25% to 15%

says no evidence..:lol

Here's a great article why Baseball is dying. You should read it.


http://www.thesportster.com/baseball/top-15-reasons-baseball-is-dying/

[midnightpulp]

25% to 15%

says no evidence..:lol

Here's a great article why Baseball is dying. You should read it.

Overall fan interest grew by 5% from 43 to 48 since 1993 :lol

Again, you retardedly think people can't be fans of more than 1 sport.

That article (by an Australian :lol) repeats the same tripe that isn't backed by any evidence. And :lmao "My name is soccer." EPL ratings are declining and averaging only about 400K, which is about the same as women's golf. MLS can't draw flies. And men's national team ratings lose to women's softball in the ratings. Only viable league is that Liga MX shit, followed by illegal Mexicans, not the most advertiser friendly demo.

[midnightpulp]

MLS can't beat Billiards and Poker in the ratings :lol

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Yx55o3tmPbs/VVKOMA2x_CI/AAAAAAAAdQY/QLpWrSw3gdw/s1600/ESPN2%2BTV%2BRatings%2BMLS%2BMay%2B10%2B2015.jpg

"MLS gon' be huge! All the millennials love it!"

[Reck]

25% to 15%

says no evidence..:lol

Here's a great article why Baseball is dying. You should read it.

Wow great example there big man.

From an outsider who managed to get his sport mixed up along his "explanation." :lol

[webshad]

That's what happnes if you dont prepare enough hamburgers for everyone...

what loooool

a hungry man is an angry man

[webshad]

Miggy could probably whoop McGregor's ass, tbh.

yes tbh, he could probably in a cheeseburger eating contest

[lefty]

MLS can't beat Billiards and Poker in the ratings :lol

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Yx55o3tmPbs/VVKOMA2x_CI/AAAAAAAAdQY/QLpWrSw3gdw/s1600/ESPN2%2BTV%2BRatings%2BMLS%2BMay%2B10%2B2015.jpg

"MLS gon' be huge! All the millennials love it!"

:lol using MLS as an argument
:lol for the rest of the world MLS=beisbol

[Clipper Nation]

Mid destroying doublehandjobball fans like Floyd destroyed McGregor :lol

[140]

:lol using MLS as an argument
:lol for the rest of the world MLS=beisbol
That's a cute graph in baby blue though tbh...

[Silver&Black]

http://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/soccer-dive-headbutts.gif

Who won the fight? Guy in black or the guy in red/white?

[lefty]

That's a cute graph in baby blue though tbh...

:lol beisbol graphs

[DAF86]

All I see is a couple of overweight folks going to the ground without a single punch being landed. :lol

[DAF86]

:lol using MLS as an argument
:lol for the rest of the world MLS=beisbol

I'd rather zap into a MLB game than a MLS one. No kidding.

[lefty]

I'd rather zap into a MLB game than a MLS one. No kidding.

Agreed.

Laughing at fat Muricans is fun tbh

[Brazil]

:lol thats what we needed tbh... more graphs

[midnightpulp]

:lol using MLS as an argument
:lol for the rest of the world MLS=beisbol

The dumb article apa posted used MLS as an argument. EPL, La Liga, nor Liga MX will turn soccer into a major sport here. Only a relevant domestic league can, and the MLS can't draw flies. They have good attendance, but only TV really matters, and the MLS can't draw flies.

[Bynumite]

Snoozeball gonna snoozeball.

Orioles game, photo was taken yesterday. Feel free to bust out more attendance graphs though :lol





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIb0t3fXYAAj_56.jpg

[midnightpulp]

Snoozeball gonna snoozeball.

Orioles game, photo was taken yesterday. Feel free to bust out more attendance graphs though :lol





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIb0t3fXYAAj_56.jpg

A Monday game (out 162) for a team that is .500 near the end of the season didn't draw well? Color me surprised! Even so, still drew 15K fans, which is about the MLS average when you take away those hipsters in Seattle :lol

Why not post a photo from a Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees game?

:lol I know why. Don't worry.

[Bynumite]

A Monday game (out 162) for a team that is .500 near the end of the season didn't draw well? Color me surprised! Even so, still drew 15K fans, which is about the MLS average when you take away those hipsters in Seattle :lol

Why not post a photo from a Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees game?

:lol I know why. Don't worry.

30 000 empty seats :lmao 37 500 if you take into account that half the crowd was probably asleep.

By the way, to put things in perspective, 15 000 is only better attendance than the last team in the english premier league. So record doesn't really mean shit.

[apalisoc_9]

30 000 empty seats :lmao 37 500 if you take into account that half the crowd was probably asleep.

By the way, to put things in perspective, 15 000 is only better attendance than the last team in the english premier league. So record doesn't really mean shit.

That doesn't even take into consideration total population..

The US is 350 Million large..

How many people live in toothless land?

[Spurtacular]

Miggy isn't even fat. And the catcher is also a "fatball" player, who executed a nice double leg takedown. Fighting is yet another thing baseball players are better at than Doublehandjoball players.

http://remezcla.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/giphy1.gif?x28508

http://68.media.tumblr.com/c05d86952c246418fe28703974de72ea/tumblr_mn3m915DmV1qm9rypo1_1280.jpg

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http://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/soccer-dive-headbutts.gif

Baseball. Always. Wins.

Hockey beats 'em all.

[lefty]

Snoozeball gonna snoozeball.

Orioles game, photo was taken yesterday. Feel free to bust out more attendance graphs though :lol





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIb0t3fXYAAj_56.jpg

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/hAkCdkf.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/vhI0n7R.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

ITALIAN CLUB TRIESTINA FILL STADIUM WITH FAKE VINYL FANS TO MAKE IT LOOK FULL ON TELEVISION

Tired of having his stadium look deserted on matchdays, the general manager of Serie B side Triestina has taken drastic steps to flesh out the attendance at the club’s 32,454-capacity Stadio Nereo Rocco by filling the empty seats with fake fans.

Ahead of last Saturday’s home game against Padova, Triestina GM Marco Cernaz had a series of huge vinyl posters stretched across 10,000 vacant seats, depicting a thronging mass of supporters in the stand opposite the television cameras.

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/fail/160852/italian-club-triestina-fill-stadium-with-fake-vinyl-fans-to-make-it-look-full-on-television.html

http://i.imgur.com/eGNb1U7.jpg

:lmao Holy shit, povertyball is pathetic.

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/otlC0vt.jpg

[DAF86]

All those examples from lesser divisions and/or preseason games. :lol

[midnightpulp]

All those examples from lesser divisions and/or preseason games. :lol

This another one of your crew's stupid comparisons. Baseball is played almost everyday, with many games during the week and in the afternoon during working hours. You're not going to draw big every game.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Fakefanball

[midnightpulp]

http://i.imgur.com/otlC0vt.jpg

:lmao

:cry It's a lower league :cry

They play in a 32K capacity stadium for a reason. And lower leagues draw pretty well.

[midnightpulp]

The finish this off, the MLB is the most attended sports league in the world and also on a per week basis by 600K. Yeah, there's a shit load of games, but there wouldn't be that amount of games if people weren't willing to watch and attend to the point where it's profitable.

B.A.W.

Baseball. Always. Wins.

[midnightpulp]

:lol Fakefanball

:lol Their "sport" consistently finds ways to be pathetic.

From all the diving, thumbs up the ass on the field, double hand job videos, Mario Party minigames, FIFA corruption scandals, slaves dying in Qatar from building stadiums, and fake fans in the stadiums :lol

Only popular because it's cheap to play.

[FkLA]

Yeah, there's a shit load of games, but there wouldn't be that amount of games if people weren't willing to watch and attend to the point where it's profitable.

Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that the biggest reason why they can get away with that kind of schedule is bc the game is dull and stationary. Non-pitchers probably burn about 100 calories per game, tbh. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that the biggest reason why they can get away with that kind of schedule is bc the game is dull and stationary. Non-pitchers probably burn about 100 calories per game, tbh. :lol

Decathletes burn less than a baseball player aside from the mile. So...

:lol Still using the stupid calorie logic.

End of the day, though, baseball athletes>>>>your soccer twinks in athleticism, as proven time and time again.

[FkLA]

Play 3 weeks in a row yet you rave about how demanding it is. :lol

No endurance needed, very little movement, non-contact sport, literally sit for half the game. What exactly sets it apart from billiards, darts, or bowling?

[midnightpulp]

Play 3 weeks in a row yet you rave about how demanding it is. :lol

No endurance needed, very little movement, non-contact sport, literally sit for half the game. What exactly sets it apart from billiards, darts, or bowling?

Decathlon is a non-contact sport which is played over two days, with 1 hour breaks between events, events that burn about 10-40 calories each aside from the mile, which burns about 150 calories. So over the 2 day, 10 hour session (spent mostly standing around watching others compete), a decathlete will burn about 400-600 calories.

You know why there's only one stamina event? Because it's the least impressive athletic trait. Soccer burns about as much calories as Richard Simmons Sweatin to the Oldies. Wow! So demanding.

Are you tasked with hitting 90-105 mph projectiles in darts or bowling? Are you tasked with throwing 90-100 mph in darts or bowling? Tasked with sprinting over 20 mph? Nope. Baseball is demanding because it's fuckin' hard as hell to do any of those things, much harder than the routine actions in other sports. Why do you think NBA draft picks are ready from day one while only like 3 players chosen in the 2015 draft have played a game in the majors? More demanding sport. Simple as that.

:lol Calories
:lol Running around
:lol Stamina
:lol Contact

None of those things make a sport hard. You were a cross country runner in high school, weren't you? Most of the unathletic kids who couldn't throw, catch, hit etc were (track overlaps with high school baseball season) :lol

[midnightpulp]

https://sciencenonfictiondotorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/three-layers.png?w=800

You only have 300ms window to react and swing to a 100mph fastball.


Since the typical reaction time is 200 ms, and it takes 100 ms to swing the bat, this leaves just 100 ms of observation time on which the hitter can base his swing.

Here's the average Joe's (e.g. FKLA) bat speed compared to a pro:

https://assets.pcmag.com/media/images/500587-zepp-3.jpg?thumb=y&width=250&height=445

It's literally impossible for the average Joe to move the bat fast enough to hit a 100mph fastball. And that just assumes a straight fastball from a machine, nothing like the moving, tailing shit you see from live pitching.

And this dumbass wants to compare that to darts and bowling. :lol

[FkLA]

Can you be called a great bowler or dart player if you fail 7 times out of 10 like hitters are in baseball? Is the strike zone as small as a bull's eye in darts? There's difficulty in those games at the most elite level too. Shit, even being a professional e-gamer is hard af.

The argument isn't that there isnt any difficulty involved in baseball. It's that it's a lazy, stationary, non-contact, dull, overly long (both season and individual games) game that takes very little out of its "athletes" relative to real sports.

[FkLA]

And no I wasn't a cross country runner. I actually am pretty bad and hate pretty much all forms of high-impact cardio. The only type I've found enjoyable is cycling and I've only recently started doing that. Even in soccer, I was just a goalie. Not sure why you minimize stamina just bc your lazy ass sport doesn't require it. It's tough and takes a lot of mental toughness to keep going when your body is fatigued imo.

[midnightpulp]

Can you be called a great bowler or dart player if you fail 7 times out of 10 like hitters are in baseball? Is the strike zone as small as a bull's eye in darts? There's difficulty in those games at the most elite level too. Shit, even being a professional e-gamer is hard af.

The argument isn't that there isnt any difficulty involved in baseball. It's that it's a lazy, stationary, dull, overly long (both season and individual games) game that takes very little out of its "athletes" relative to real sports.

You're so retarded. You're only throwing 8 feet away from darts. Not from 60 feet away and against another player trying to hit the projectile back at you.

You also don't understand my main point. Hitting is the ROUTINE action that baseball is built around, much like throwing the dart is the routine action darts is built around. You can get up from the couch right now and probably score a tonnage in 501 (a decent score). And even if you can't, you are still able to THROW the dart to at least play the game. You have no holy hope in hell of even hitting an 80mph pitch fair. You can go down to the rec center, and play basketball, even if you're shit, because as long as you can run, you can at least contribute some on defense and hustle plays. I've bowled multiple 200 games with house balls just throwing the ball straight. And I bowl maybe once a month. Without lessons nor practicing, I'm already at 75% of a "perfect game." My average is probably about 150 (a mid-tier pro is at about 210ish). I have no chance in hell of even hitting .050 off MLB pitching. I'd be lucky to make contact. The respective learning curves aren't comparable. So thus your comparison is retarded.

And what's with this "endurance/physical demanding" logic? How physically demanding a sport is doesn't make it harder. Golf is in another universe of difficulty compared to basketball, so I don't get the asinine point you're trying to make by valuing sports based on their "physical demands" (whatever that means). And on that, there's a lot of physical demanding work behind the development of a swing, throwing arm, and running speed in order to compete as a pro baseball player.

Your logic is trash.

[midnightpulp]

And no I wasn't a cross country runner. I actually am pretty bad and hate pretty much all forms of high-impact cardio. The only type I've found enjoyable is cycling and I've only recently started doing that. Even in soccer, I was just a goalie. Not sure why you minimize stamina just bc your lazy ass sport doesn't require it. It's tough and takes a lot of mental toughness to keep going when your body is fatigued imo.

Takes more mental toughness to keep your fine motor skills under control in a high pressure situation that you have time to think through (e.g. 0-2 count, bottom of the 9th, bases loaded, down 1). 102 year olds run marathons. Cardio isn't an impressive athletic trait, thus why there's only one event dedicated to it in the decathlon.

Calling baseball lazy when you love football :lol

The only players who get tired in football are linemen, simply because they are obese, not because playing the line is actually cardio intensive. And the two most important positions in football (QB and kicker) require absolutely zero cardio. Yeah, football is a little more active than baseball, but not to the point where a cardio comparison would even matter. And the skill demands between baseball and football are a joke.

But football is a "real sport" because a few guys (only WR and Corners) sprint for about a mile over 4 fuckin' hours with long breaks in between. Don't get me wrong, I love football when it's not ruined by the NFL, but all those arguments can be used against football. In fact, soccer fans often use them.

[midnightpulp]

And no I wasn't a cross country runner. I actually am pretty bad and hate pretty much all forms of high-impact cardio. The only type I've found enjoyable is cycling and I've only recently started doing that. Even in soccer, I was just a goalie. Not sure why you minimize stamina just bc your lazy ass sport doesn't require it. It's tough and takes a lot of mental toughness to keep going when your body is fatigued imo.

Here's the final question for you. What isn't "physically demanding" about swinging a bat 92-100mph to hit a ball travelling about the same speed? The average Joe's bat speed is about 40-50 mph (from all the data I've seen). Fastest bat speed on record is 106mph.

The average Joe is closer in top sprint speed (12ish mph) to an NFL wide receiver than he is in bat speed to an MLB player.

You falsely think hitting is just a "skill." Nope. None of us here likely have the "pure" athleticism to swing a bat that fast, just like we don't have the pure athleticism to run 23mph or jump 38".

Ultimately, I'm in the camp that measures how demanding a sport is by its skill demands rather than athletic demands, because developing skills are harder than just "keeping fit," which only requires doing mundane, easy to perform physical tasks (lifting, jogging, etc), while the development of skills actually requires a fine tuned kind of practice. Playing the piano>running around.

[apalisoc_9]

Pitcher = Darts player.

both fat and looking for a target.

[midnightpulp]

Pitcher = Darts player.

both fat and looking for a target.

Your 5'5", 120lb ass wouldn't even be able to throw the ball the complete 60 feet :lol

Meanwhile, you can kick a ball around. Nothing hard about it.

[apalisoc_9]

lots of people arent into powerlifiting.

Baseball is as lame and simple as powerlifiting tbh. Nothing athletic about it. No skill.

Its a game devoid of creativity...Thats why you never hear anyone refer to baseball players as magicians.

Its simply a game for the uncreative and retards.

[midnightpulp]

lots of people arent into powerlifiting.

Baseball is as lame and simple as powerlifiting tbh. Nothing athletic about it. No skill.

Its a game devoid of creativity...Thats why you never hear anyone refer to baseball players as magicians.

Its simply a game for the uncreative and retards.

:lmao

Yeah, throwing curveballs, sliders, 100mph fastballs with pin point accuracy takes "no skill." Neither does hitting those pitches. Neither does throwing runners out from 300 feet away. You'd be able to kick a ball around in the World Cup before you'd be able to do any of that, since your tiny weak arms lack the athleticism to swing a bat decently or throw a ball hard.

Game for "retards." You wouldn't even know what to begin to look for in analyzing baseball, which is why you stick to the easier soccer (a game actually short on strategy and tactics, as confirmed by a renown coach) and basketball.

[lefty20]

lots of people arent into powerlifiting.

Baseball is as lame and simple as powerlifiting tbh. Nothing athletic about it. No skill.

Its a game devoid of creativity...Thats why you never hear anyone refer to baseball players as magicians.

Its simply a game for the uncreative and retards.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/224479154/clayton-kershaw-is-a-magician-on-the-mound/

This nigga running outta room for hanging all of the Ls taken, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/224479154/clayton-kershaw-is-a-magician-on-the-mound/

This nigga running outta room for hanging all of the Ls taken, tbh.

Here's the complete knockdown argument I have that baseball is on another level of difficulty compared to soccer. Soccer players are often ready for the TOP pro leagues by 18, even going as low as 16.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-leagues-10-youngest-ever-6231729

And that's with soccer having the largest talent pool by far out of any world sport, so for 16 year olds to make it to the EPL shows how actually undemanding it is from a skill and athleticism standpoint. Here's the first round of the 2015 MLB draft:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?year_ID=2015&draft_round=1&draft_type=junreg&query_type=year_round&from_type_jc=0&from_type_hs=0&from_type_4y=0&from_type_unk=0

Only 4 players have seen time in the MLB. Yeah, soccer trains its players in academies from very young ages, but so does baseball. So that point is moot.

Soccer simply "looks" dynamic, because the goal is the size of a fuckin' house, so it can result in a lot of cute, creative looking plays, but at the expense of precision. The field is also huge, meaning players have oceans of space to execute their cute tap dancing moves with the ball. It's literally the And-1 of sports.

[FkLA]

You're so retarded. You're only throwing 8 feet away from darts. Not from 60 feet away and against another player trying to hit the projectile back at you.

You also don't understand my main point. Hitting is the ROUTINE action that baseball is built around, much like throwing the dart is the routine action darts is built around. You can get up from the couch right now and probably score a tonnage in 501 (a decent score). And even if you can't, you are still able to THROW the dart to at least play the game. You have no holy hope in hell of even hitting an 80mph pitch fair. You can go down to the rec center, and play basketball, even if you're shit, because as long as you can run, you can at least contribute some on defense and hustle plays. I've bowled multiple 200 games with house balls just throwing the ball straight. And I bowl maybe once a month. Without lessons nor practicing, I'm already at 75% of a "perfect game." My average is probably about 150 (a mid-tier pro is at about 210ish). I have no chance in hell of even hitting .050 off MLB pitching. I'd be lucky to make contact. The respective learning curves aren't comparable. So thus your comparison is retarded.

And what's with this "endurance/physical demanding" logic? How physically demanding a sport is doesn't make it harder. Golf is in another universe of difficulty compared to basketball, so I don't get the asinine point you're trying to make by valuing sports based on their "physical demands" (whatever that means). And on that, there's a lot of physical demanding work behind the development of a swing, throwing arm, and running speed in order to compete as a pro baseball player.

Your logic is trash.

I love how you compare the highest level of baseball to intramural shit in everything else. That's totally fair and not biased at all. :lol

Everything is difficult when you're going up against the elite of the elite, bro. Not just fatball. I have no chance in hell of hanging around with a pro gamer, dart player, or bowler. If I try to cover a pro winger in soccer they'll have taken 3 or 4 steps with the ball before I'm done with my first step. Again, the problem isn't that MLF isn't difficult. The problem is that outside of pitchers everyone else does jack shit for 95% of the long ass, dull game. There's a reason they're the only ones that need actual rest (understandably so as they are putting their arms through hell every time they pitch).

[FkLA]

Here's the final question for you. What isn't "physically demanding" about swinging a bat 92-100mph to hit a ball travelling about the same speed? The average Joe's bat speed is about 40-50 mph (from all the data I've seen). Fastest bat speed on record is 106mph.

The average Joe is closer in top sprint speed (12ish mph) to an NFL wide receiver than he is in bat speed to an MLB player.

You falsely think hitting is just a "skill." Nope. None of us here likely have the "pure" athleticism to swing a bat that fast, just like we don't have the pure athleticism to run 23mph or jump 38".

Ultimately, I'm in the camp that measures how demanding a sport is by its skill demands rather than athletic demands, because developing skills are harder than just "keeping fit," which only requires doing mundane, easy to perform physical tasks (lifting, jogging, etc), while the development of skills actually requires a fine tuned kind of practice. Playing the piano>running around.

You're right, fatball is so demanding that it's players outside of pitchers play 20+ days in a row without breaking a sweat. :rolleyes

[FkLA]

As far as your argument against football, there's match-ups going on at all times during any given play. It's not like fatball where it's just a pitcher/hitter and everyone stands around or sits in the dugout the large majority of the time.

[midnightpulp]

I love how you compare the highest level of baseball to intramural shit in everything else. That's totally fair and not biased at all. :lol

Everything is difficult when you're going up against the elite of the elite, bro. Not just fatball. I have no chance in hell of hanging around with a pro gamer, dart player, or bowler. If I try to cover a pro winger in soccer they'll have taken 3 or 4 steps with the ball before I'm done with my first step. Again, the problem isn't that MLF isn't difficult. The problem is that outside of pitchers everyone else does jack shit for 95% of the long ass, dull game. There's a reason they're three only ones that need actual rest (understandably so as they are putting their arms through hell every time they pitch).

You can quantify learning curve somewhat. The routine action in baseball is hitting. Pro level pitching we know reaches anywhere from 85-105 mph. Take a decent athlete who played basketball and baseball in high school, but hasn't played either in 15 years. He can easily go out and likely hit 3 pointers from NBA range at a 30%/40% clip. He can at least dribble the basketball competently.

Put him in a 95 mph cage, and he's whiffing every time.

"Well, the comparison isn't fair. A fair comparison is if he could get off his shot against an NBA defense."

No. Both are practice situations. He doesn't have to worry about beating MLB fielders, either.

A complete neophyte if he isn't a total spastic is likely coordinated enough to throw 80 in bowling, which is about 40% of a professional average. A complete neophyte looks like this in baseball:

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT8qBef6cOOWMzl5IY/giphy.gif

Those are 20 mph lobs, too. A neophyte fresh off the couch has no chance of being "40% as good as a professional." We can also quantify baseball's difficulty by looking at how quickly draft picks are ready. In all other sports, the first round draft picks will typically see time in their first season. In baseball, they're lucky if they get there within 4 or 5 years.

This isn't bias. Everyone who has played a variety of sports, analyzes sports, pretty much agrees that baseball's learning curve is the steepest out of at least the team ball sports. I don't think you realize how hard hitting is. There's a reason rec league "baseball" is slow pitch softball, while rec league basketball and soccer are still the same sport as the professional versions.


The problem is that outside of pitchers everyone else does jack shit for 95%

Why does every sport need its players to move around all the time? (they also aren't doing jack shit. Fielders are constantly alert, watching signs for which pitch is being thrown, since the pitch has an effect on where the ball could wind up, watching the batter's stance, his adjustments, and being prepared for how to read the ball off the bat). Bat-and-ball sports are battles between the hitter and pitcher at their core, and there's plenty happening within that matchup.

You need your jumping and running around. Fair enough. Ain't going to tell you what to like. But your preferences don't undermine the world class skill and athleticism it takes to play baseball at the highest levels.

[midnightpulp]

You're right, fatball is so demanding that it's players outside of pitchers play 20+ days in a row without breaking a sweat. :rolleyes

Your "days in a row" criterion is nonsense.

"Breaking a sweat" doesn't equal "demanding." It's physically a hell of a lot more demanding to hit a golf ball straight (you have execute a variety of small movements throughout your body in a mechanically precise way) than it is to do wind sprints. Why is your only definition of "physically demanding" is how tired you get? What, because playing tired and fatigued is some great measure of athleticism? Guess what? If you're tired and/or fatigued, you don't have a chance of hitting a golf ball straight, since your motor skills need to be optimal to do it correctly. This is why they were smart enough to not make golf a "running around" game. You can be fatigued and still get off a good jumpshot because the skill really isn't that mechanically demanding.

Basketball can also easily be played 20 days in a row. AC Green played 1200 straight games. The reason basketball isn't everyday is because people over 6'5" are at much higher risk of injury. And the thing that actually tears up NBA players in 4 games 5 nights situations is travel more so than in game demands.

That's why, to me, it makes no sense to compare the physical demands of baseball to basketball, soccer, etc. None of the those sports are actually physically demanding to the point where a comparison really places one above another. Demanding is Tour De France, Triathlons, Cross Country marathon skiing, 50K race walk where competitors routinely shit themselves.

Soccer is the "most demanding" ball sport and its cardio demands are in the range of Richard Simmons' Sweating to the Oldies. Big fuckin' deal.

[webshad]

:lmao

:cry It's a lower league :cry

They play in a 32K capacity stadium for a reason. And lower leagues draw pretty well.

Bro Mid, professional league soccer in europe and south america has more attendance than hockey, baseball, and basketball.

Tell something though, for example, if baseball season was shortened to approximately 100 games, do you think it will be in financial difficulty?

[Reck]

Socerr fans getting triggered hard.

[midnightpulp]

Bro Mid, professional league soccer in europe and south america has more attendance than hockey, baseball, and basketball.

Tell something though, for example, if baseball season was shortened to approximately 100 games, do you think it will be in financial difficulty?

No. Baseball "only" gets about 20 percent of its revenue from ticket sales.

Less games also means less supply which means more demand.

I have no idea where this silly "baseball is dying" notion comes from? Better ratings than the NBA, better all-star game ratings, homerun derby ratings better than the slam dunk contest, higher merchandise sales, 5% growth in fan interest over the last 20 years. Is it because World Series ratings were poor for a few years? The World Series has to go against the NFL and had a stretch of matchups featuring the likes of the Tampa Bay Rays and Detroit Tigers.

[midnightpulp]

Socerr fans getting triggered hard.

What I actually like about baseball's "slowness" as a change of pace from basketball, football, is that when things like this happen, it has far more impact:

http://www.mlb.com/images/7/0/8/230182708/051417_mlb_gif_buxton_catch_med_e4rgqdz2.gif

If they happened every game, they'd lose their novelty. That's one problem with basketball. A dunk, a crossover, a 28 footer doesn't even raise my eyebrows anymore since those events happen 800 times per game. Of course those events are exciting when done by your team, since you're invested, but watching Lebron do it for the thousandth time is "dull."

[FkLA]

You can quantify learning curve somewhat. The routine action in baseball is hitting. Pro level pitching we know reaches anywhere from 85-105 mph. Take a decent athlete who played basketball and baseball in high school, but hasn't played either in 15 years. He can easily go out and likely hit 3 pointers from NBA range at a 30%/40% clip. He can at least dribble the basketball competently.

Put him in a 95 mph cage, and he's whiffing every time.

"Well, the comparison isn't fair. A fair comparison is if he could get off his shot against an NBA defense."

No. Both are practice situations. He doesn't have to worry about beating MLB fielders, either.

A complete neophyte if he isn't a total spastic is likely coordinated enough to throw 80 in bowling, which is about 40% of a professional average. A complete neophyte looks like this in baseball:

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT8qBef6cOOWMzl5IY/giphy.gif

Those are 20 mph lobs, too. A neophyte fresh off the couch has no chance of being "40% as good as a professional." We can also quantify baseball's difficulty by looking at how quickly draft picks are ready. In all other sports, the first round draft picks will typically see time in their first season. In baseball, they're lucky if they get there within 4 or 5 years.

This isn't bias. Everyone who has played a variety of sports, analyzes sports, pretty much agrees that baseball's learning curve is the steepest out of at least the team ball sports. I don't think you realize how hard hitting is. There's a reason rec league "baseball" is slow pitch softball, while rec league basketball and soccer are still the same sport as the professional versions.



Why does every sport need its players to move around all the time? (they also aren't doing jack shit. Fielders are constantly alert, watching signs for which pitch is being thrown, since the pitch has an effect on where the ball could wind up, watching the batter's stance, his adjustments, and being prepared for how to read the ball off the bat). Bat-and-ball sports are battles between the hitter and pitcher at their core, and there's plenty happening within that matchup.

You need your jumping and running around. Fair enough. Ain't going to tell you what to like. But your preferences don't undermine the world class skill and athleticism it takes to play baseball at the highest levels.

You're just not objective, bro. A pitching machine can simulate that 95 mph pitch that you'll see from a pitcher. Shooting open jumpers doesn't simulate game action. Of courthe latter is much easier. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

I do think hitting is hard. It's probably what I struggled to do most in any sport. I could field and throw pretty well but couldn't hit worth a shit. At the same time, I put alot less time into it than other sports. My gf has a background in softball and she does relatively well at batting cages. I think like anything, with practice and repitition comes improvement. If you're argument is that hitting is tougher than just shooting uncontested shots then I can concede that. That's meaningless though.

I'm not saying the fielders aren't alert, that's a given. But they aren't exerting themselves or entertaining the viewer by being alert. In football for example, a CB and WR are battling and the ball might not even be thrown their way. I can focus on that match-up or an elite DE vs an elite LT and still be entertained. That doesn't exist in fatball.

[FkLA]

What I actually like about baseball's "slowness" as a change of pace from basketball, football, is that when things like this happen, it has far more impact:

http://www.mlb.com/images/7/0/8/230182708/051417_mlb_gif_buxton_catch_med_e4rgqdz2.gif

If they happened every game, they'd lose their novelty. That's one problem with basketball. A dunk, a crossover, a 28 footer doesn't even raise my eyebrows anymore since those events happen 800 times per game. Of course those events are exciting when done by your team, since you're invested, but watching Lebron do it for the thousandth time is "dull."

But when goals "only" happen a handful of times per game in soccer they aren't more impactful but instead it's a problem. Your lack of objectivity is showing again. :rolleyes

[midnightpulp]

You're just not objective, bro. A pitching machine can simulate that 95 mph pitch that you'll see from a pitcher. Shooting open jumpers doesn't simulate game action. Of courthe latter is much easier. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

I do think hitting is hard. It's probably what I struggled to do most in any sport. I could field and throw pretty well but couldn't hit worth a shit. At the same time, I put alot less time into it than other sports. My gf has a background in softball and she does relatively well at batting cages. I think like anything, with practice and repitition comes improvement. If you're argument is that hitting is tougher than just shooting uncontested shots then I can concede that. That's meaningless though.

I'm not saying the fielders aren't alert, that's a given. But they aren't exerting themselves or entertaining the viewer by being alert. In football for example, a CB and WR are battling and the ball might not even be thrown their way. I can focus on that match-up or an elite DE vs an elite LT and still be entertained. That doesn't exist in fatball.

Not even close. I don't think you understand how much movement live pitchers generate. A pitching machine also won't change your eye level, mix up locations, nor throw you off speed.

It's not meaningless. Hitting is the core baseball action. If you can't hit, you can't play, nor will you have "fun" playing. Shooting is the core action in basketball (or dribbling) and both are much easier to perform than baseball's core action. You can also play basketball and have fun with it even if you can't shoot. Those typical rec league players who are athletic and quick enough to play defense, grab rebounds, and such. You can't "hide" like that in baseball, even in rec league softball.

[midnightpulp]

But when goals "only" happen a handful of times per game in soccer they aren't more impactful but instead it's a problem. Your lack of objectivity is showing again. :rolleyes

I'm talking abut athletic events, not scoring. My issue with the lack of scoring in soccer is because it denies the match a decent back-and-forth dynamic and things like huge collapses and comebacks. Yeah, I know soccer teams have occasionally blown 3 goal leads, and within soccer's context, that's huge, but end of the day, it's only 3 scores. On the other hand, I think basketball actually has too much "back and forth" and scores begin to feel meaningless and routine.

Football and baseball have the perfect balance. Just my opinion, though. And for what it's worth, I think those sports are the best designed major team sports on the planet. I'm just kind of boycotting football because the NFL is garbage.

[FkLA]

Not even close. I don't think you understand how much movement live pitchers generate. A pitching machine also won't change your eye level, mix up locations, nor throw you off speed.

It's not meaningless. Hitting is the core baseball action. If you can't hit, you can't play, nor will you have "fun" playing. Shooting is the core action in basketball (or dribbling) and both are much easier to perform than baseball's core action. You can also play basketball and have fun with it even if you can't shoot. Those typical rec league players who are athletic and quick enough to play defense, grab rebounds, and such. You can't "hide" like that in baseball, even in rec league softball.

ffs Im talking strictly about the velocity. I get that facing an actual pitcher is harder, not just because of the movement but because you don't know what type of pitch is coming or the location of it. It's still a much closer simulation than shooting open jumpers is though.

Not to the extent youre trying to paint with your apples to oranges comparison, but I do actually agree that hitting on it's own is a harder skill than shooting. But again, the argument isn't that fatball isn't difficult.

[Robz4000]

DoubleHandJobball debate has been finished tbh. Not sure why the fans of which still try.

[hater]

That's what happnes if you dont prepare enough hamburgers for everyone...

:lmao

[Canyonero]

DoubleHandJobball debate has been finished tbh. Not sure why the fans of which still try.

tbh a fatball fan began this whole thing (2nd post)

[midnightpulp]

ffs Im talking strictly about the velocity. I get that facing an actual pitcher is harder, not just because of the movement but because you don't know what type of pitch is coming or the location of it. It's still a much closer simulation than shooting open jumpers is though.

Not to the extent youre trying to paint with your apples to oranges comparison, but I do actually agree that hitting on it's own is a harder skill than shooting. But again, the argument isn't that fatball isn't difficult.

Both are "empty gym" scenarios. In a cage, you don't have to worry about hitting the ball through fielders, just like when shooting open jumpers you don't have to worry about defenders contesting. Shooting in a gym gets you familiar with the distances involved in basketball, just like hitting in a cage gets you familiar with the velocities involved. It's not apples to oranges. Each simulates the activity about the same. It just seems like apples to oranges because hitting is a hell of a lot harder than shooting and pretty much any basketball action you can think of.

Baseball is harder than basketball. Almost everyone who's played both sports for some period of time at the same level would agree. This isn't me favoring baseball out of any personal reason, it's just a fact. The core baseball action (hitting) is built around something that is on the edges of human reaction times.


But again, the argument isn't that fatball isn't difficult.

What's the argument? That you don't have to be "athletic" to play it? Wrong.

That it's slow? Fair enough. But why even build an argument around "slowness?" What does that prove?

Take gymnastics. The slowest, "least athletic" event is the balance beam. But many gymnasts would consider it the most difficult. The fastest and most athletic event is the floor. And it's considered the easiest. Valuing sports (or athletes) on how much superficial "moving around" there is is dumb. Consider football. Aside from the QB, I think the hardest position to play is kicker, who are often derided as "non-football" players. Coming in cold and then nailing a 54 yarder with the wind moving left to right in a pressure situation is a more impressive feat to me than jumping real high and catching the ball in the endzone.