Harvey

[RandomGuy]

Your use of snowflake here is highly questionable. RG is the one who melted down because I questioned the intelligence of a man driving a small hybrid vehicle into high water.

What about the intelligence of the police officer? You going to question that as well?

Laugh a little?

What is the appropriate reaction, Darrin? Enlighten this poor liberal.

[RandomGuy]

I think Houston will bounce back. It's not such a poor city as New Orleans. But how in this political climate are they going to be able to pay for the kind of flood control measures that are critically needed? There's not going to be another New Deal any time soon.

That is what I wonder. "no tax increases, government spending bad" is not really workable when you have really huge problems that require a lot of pooled resources, i.e. government.

I am not so sure about Houston. This is just too huge. It will recover mostly, but never get back to where it was before the storm.

[RandomGuy]

You mean like updating the dams? No fucking clue. It's said that our cheesedick of a president touts spending a shit ton on infrastructure. I'm big on that proposal, even if we had to raise taxes for it -- but that fuckstain probably can't get shit through congress because no one will agree to fund a trillion dollar infrastructure package.

Golfy McVroom Vroom is just too lazy to get things done. His biggest concern about this tragedy seems to be his own public image.

That joke of a photo-op trip was sad, and the minimal "phone it in".

Even giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't want to take first-responders away from rescues for his protective detail, look at his tweets, the most direct line to his thought processes.

None of them that I saw expressed the least concern with the victims.

[boutons_deux]

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seems like a fantastic opportunity to destroy Ms of invasive species, call Customs and Border Protection, those goons will kill anything

[baseline bum]

SHIT

That is a nightmare.
NRA needs to bring in the flamethrowers

I literally would go nuts trying to kill those things. I seriously hate that species.

Gotta say they're an amazing feat of evolution though


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpiDADw5Omw

[RandomGuy]

Apologies if posted before but damn.
http://www.arkema-americas.com/en/social-responsibility/incident-news/

Everyone within 1.5 miles evacuated.

yikes.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, I was at the lake just north of seguin and the rain never stopped. Wind blew my front courtyard fence and gate down but my big fear of the guadalupe flooding didnt happen. Had plenty of tequila and margarita mix and cigars so buzzed right through it.

Thanks for checking in, good to see you are ok too. We had plenty of beer.

[Fabbs]

Osteen contradiction?

A week ago: "We will open up our doors when the county services are overflowing."
Now after the media blitz: "Our doors were always open."

[RandomGuy]

What will happen next (Katrina is a mild model, but this is bigger):

7.6 million people in the affected area. Even if only 5%, that is 350,000+ people need to be immediately relocated that will swamp the 10,000 beds here and there that are being set up in Austin, San Antonio, Dallas. Hundreds of thousands of people will need some place to go.


Houston has no power, and it will take a long time for that to change. Hazardous waste will be everywhere. Power company can't even get into places to see what needs to be fixed yet.

The waters will slowly go down, but the heat is projected to go up to normal for this time of year. 90+ degrees, on the coast with all the humidity keeping things from drying out.

The city will be hot, humid, and a LOT of structures are going to be wet, that will make mold instantly take root, and houses will be rotting almost immediately. I have seen first hand flood recovery, and in my tiny neighborhood, that took months. This is going to be 1000 times larger, and vastly more problematic, especially as the sanitation infrastructure (power/water/waste) is going to be out of operation.

Best thing that anyone can do is be ready for that stream of people needing to be relocated, IMO.

They are going to find a lot of dead people, some of which may never be found as they were quite possibly swept out to sea.

There will be no running water, no power, no food, mosquitoes, mold, poor sanitation, etc. People will get sick.

We have improved our response to such things since Katrina/Rita, but this has, by all accounts overwhelmed current efforts. Once the water goes down, we will know more, but it looks bad.

[boutons_deux]

We'll see if Congress, next week, approves the $10Bs, $100B?, Houston needs.

[RandomGuy]

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/hurricane-harvey-nursing-home.jpg?h=580

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-citizens-viral-photo-pose-rescue-harvey-floodwaters-204559184.html

Senior citizens in viral photo pose after rescue from Harvey floodwaters


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[boutons_deux]

Joel Osteen Says Megachurch Didn’t Open Earlier

Because Houston ‘Didn’t Ask’ :lol

The pastor came under fire for not initially opening Lakewood Church to flood victims.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/joel-osteen-lakewood-church-houston-harvey_us_59a6ac7fe4b084581a148cef?utm_medium=emai l&utm_campaign=__BREAKING__%202017-08-30%20Joel%20Osteen%20Says%20Megachurch%20Didnt%20O pen%20Earlier%20Because%20Houston%20Didnt%20Ask&utm_content=__BREAKING__%202017-08-30%20Joel%20Osteen%20Says%20Megachurch%20Didnt%20O pen%20Earlier%20Because%20Houston%20Didnt%20Ask+CI D_d08c4276fc729c5e2ed25391911d1b06&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=Read%20More&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__BREAKING__%202017-08-30%20Joel%20Osteen%20Says%20Megachurch%20Didnt%20O pen%20Earlier%20Because%20Houston%20Didnt%20Ask

Like all teevee grifter pastors, he's a venal fraud

[RandomGuy]

https://www.nvoad.org/hurricane-harvey/hurricane-harvey-how-to-help/




Hurricane Harvey will have a lasting impact on the Gulf Coast of Texas. National VOAD members will be there providing relief and recovery for years to come, and will need your assistance.

Financial Donations: If you are an individual, please remember that CASH IS BEST at this time. Please donate to a Texas VOAD Member or a National VOAD Member to help those affected by Hurricane Harvey.

We have also included an in-kind donation form for individuals, that can be found here. If you are a company seeking to donate goods to the Hurricane Harvey Response efforts, please fill out the form located on the Corporate Donations page. This information will be sent to the appropriate parties as needs arise.

If you would like to volunteer for a National VOAD member organization, please visit the Volunteer page HERE

[RandomGuy]

https://www.fema.gov/hurricane-harvey?utm_source=hp_promo&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=disaster


When disaster strikes, every little bit helps. To make the most of your contributions, please follow our guidelines to learn the most effective and safest ways to donate cash, goods, or time following a disaster.

Cash is best. Financial contributions How to help after a disaster. The best way to help is with cash donations to trusted organizations. · Cash is efficient, flexible to use, and requires no packaging or transport. · Trusted organizations will ensure your money goes to help those in need. to recognized disaster relief organizations are the fastest, most flexible, and most effective method of donating. Organizations on the ground know what items and quantities are needed, often buy in bulk with discounts and, if possible, purchase through area businesses which supports economic recovery.
Confirm donations needed. Critical needs change rapidly – confirm needed items BEFORE collecting; pack and label carefully; confirm delivery locations; arrange transportation. Unsolicited goods NOT needed burden local organizations’ ability to meet survivors’ confirmed needs, drawing away valuable volunteer labor, transportation, and warehouse space.
Connect to volunteer. Trusted organizations operating in the affected area know where volunteers are needed, and can ensure appropriate volunteer safety, training, and housing.
Thank you for your interest in helping the survivors of Hurricane Harvey, there are other ways to help. When disaster strikes, America looks to FEMA to support survivors and first responders in communities all across the country. We are currently seeking talented and hard-working people to help support the response and recovery.

https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/1476464381286-7e0b131f31391ddac73f3bdf11f69d2e/donations_medium.png

[ducks]

Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards said Wednesday that President Donald Trump has been "engaged" in the work to prepare the state for Hurricane Harvey.

"Actually we've had two conversations now, and in both of them he was very gracious and obviously concerned about the people of our state," the Democrat told Fox News. "He was here last year after record flooding in August and so he wanted to make sure that we had what we need. We appreciate the fact that he very quickly signed the emergency declaration that we had requested. I think we had submitted it late on Sunday evening [and] he signed it before 7 o'clock on Monday morning. So the president has been engaged."

[RandomGuy]

I will probably do that this weekend, maybe take a day off at the end of the week, and yank the kids out of school to help. Making calls on lunch hour today.



Good on you. I couldn't get there with my boat, no way to get there that I could find. If you go, think about taking 2 cycle outboard oil for the 1st responders. No doubt the supply is low. A couple cases will go a long way (gallons are cheaper). Go around and pick up clothes from neighbors and take it. Anything you can carry.


Lol, RG ain't going there.

After making those phone calls and asking around, you are right about this weekend.

The people that do this for a living are saying "don't go down yet", and I am not going to do something stupid, like show up cold without a group to go with or plan on what to do or needs doing. The objective is to help, not get in the way.

There are a lot of people there already, who are more qualified (search and rescue, medics etc).

Money, it seems, is the thing most needed.



Cash is best. Financial contributions How to help after a disaster. The best way to help is with cash donations to trusted organizations. · Cash is efficient, flexible to use, and requires no packaging or transport. · Trusted organizations will ensure your money goes to help those in need. to recognized disaster relief organizations are the fastest, most flexible, and most effective method of donating. Organizations on the ground know what items and quantities are needed, often buy in bulk with discounts and, if possible, purchase through area businesses which supports economic recovery.

After the waters go down, they will need help gutting houses most immediately. That and cooked, safe food. That much I can do.

Talking with wife about how much we can afford to give immediately, and planning on essentially camping on the weekends as soon as it is safe. Mosquito repellent, camping stove, and so forth. May as well use those unneeded supplies we bought.

[RandomGuy]

Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards said Wednesday that President Donald Trump has been "engaged" in the work to prepare the state for Hurricane Harvey.

"Actually we've had two conversations now, and in both of them he was very gracious and obviously concerned about the people of our state," the Democrat told Fox News. "He was here last year after record flooding in August and so he wanted to make sure that we had what we need. We appreciate the fact that he very quickly signed the emergency declaration that we had requested. I think we had submitted it late on Sunday evening [and] he signed it before 7 o'clock on Monday morning. So the president has been engaged."

and if he can sell a few more $40 hats, so much the better. What good is being the president if you can't profit from it while you are in office?

[Pavlov]

lol ducks pimping a disaster declaration signature. That took real strength and courage. Required him to, you know, wake up and stuff.

[ducks]

and if he can sell a few more $40 hats, so much the better. What good is being the president if you can't profit from it while you are in office?

just ask the Clintons they told everyone they were broke and came out millionaries

[ducks]

I get it everyone is mad because the RNC is out raising the democrats for the election cycle. So they are mad trump is wearing a hat that he sells on site to help him get RELECTED!

[Pavlov]

just ask the Clintons they told everyone they were broke and came out millionariesWhich clothing items did they advertise for direct sale during natural disasters?

[RandomGuy]

Contacted city of San Marcos government, they are monitoring. Going to push that button hard. Our city knows what this shit is like.

[Pavlov]

I get it everyone is mad because the RNC is out raising the democrats for the election cycle. So they are mad trump is wearing a hat that he sells on site to help him get RELECTED!Do you think Trump has ever done anything wrong, ducks?

[ducks]

Yes he is not perfect but he is much better then any of the candiates that ran for the president of the USA on both sides
do you think the republicans do anything right ever?
do you think that the former president did anything wrong ever?

[RandomGuy]

I get it everyone is mad because the RNC is out raising the democrats for the election cycle. So they are mad trump is wearing a hat that he sells on site to help him get RELECTED!

This thread is not about the next election.

Try to be a decent human being and keep stuff like this to a minimum here. There are plenty of other threads.

[boutons_deux]

Just cut the DoD budge by $100B and give it to Houston,

and/or cut/stop the $Bs in annual subsidies to BigCarbon and give that to Houston.

What bullshit to beg citizens to help Houston when the oligarchy, by rigging the economy and tax system, hordes $Ts.

[Pavlov]

Yes he is not perfect but he is much better then any of the candiates that ran for the president of the USA on both sides
do you think the republicans do anything right ever?Less and less these days.

do you think that the former president did anything wrong ever?Yes, but he never hawked a $40 baseball cap during a natural disaster.

[RandomGuy]

What will happen next (Katrina is a mild model, but this is bigger):

7.6 million people in the affected area. Even if only 5%, that is 350,000+ people need to be immediately relocated that will swamp the 10,000 beds here and there that are being set up in Austin, San Antonio, Dallas. Hundreds of thousands of people will need some place to go.


Houston has no power, and it will take a long time for that to change. Hazardous waste will be everywhere. Power company can't even get into places to see what needs to be fixed yet.

The waters will slowly go down, but the heat is projected to go up to normal for this time of year. 90+ degrees, on the coast with all the humidity keeping things from drying out.

The city will be hot, humid, and a LOT of structures are going to be wet, that will make mold instantly take root, and houses will be rotting almost immediately. I have seen first hand flood recovery, and in my tiny neighborhood, that took months. This is going to be 1000 times larger, and vastly more problematic, especially as the sanitation infrastructure (power/water/waste) is going to be out of operation.

Best thing that anyone can do is be ready for that stream of people needing to be relocated, IMO.

They are going to find a lot of dead people, some of which may never be found as they were quite possibly swept out to sea.

There will be no running water, no power, no food, mosquitoes, mold, poor sanitation, etc. People will get sick.

We have improved our response to such things since Katrina/Rita, but this has, by all accounts overwhelmed current efforts. Once the water goes down, we will know more, but it looks bad.

just in case it gets missed.

[Pavlov]

Contacted city of San Marcos government, they are monitoring. Going to push that button hard. Our city knows what this shit is like.Monitoring what?

[RandomGuy]

Monitoring what?


The shelters are coordinated regionally. There is a list and shelters and they deployed systemically. San Marcos and Hays County are on that list and we are prepared

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As noted, I have very little doubt that those beds/places will be needed.

They will be inspecting places, and I would guess will probably make the determination that no few structures will be unsafe for human beings. What happens to the former occupants? They will have to go somewhere.

[DarrinS]

Women's march wants to let you know how to help non-whites

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[Pavlov]

Oh, ok. Thought they might have already opened some. I know Delco is open up here and likely some others.

[boutons_deux]

SA Convention Center is huge, haven't heard whether it will used if events this weekend are cancelled


https://sanantonioconventioncenter.org/upcoming-events/

[Pavlov]

Women's march wants to let you know how to help non-whites

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[Blake]

Just cut the DoD budge by $100B and give it to Houston,

and/or cut/stop the $Bs in annual subsidies to BigCarbon and give that to Houston.

What bullshit to beg citizens to help Houston when the oligarchy, by rigging the economy and tax system, hordes $Ts.

Or take the money that Mexico is willing to give for hurricane relief and use it for relief instead of a fucking wall

[Pavlov]

We're going to pay for disaster relief with reimbursements/other.

[RandomGuy]

Women's march wants to let you know how to help non-whites

902637874939662341

You didn't post the other article that they posted preceeding that.


A Catastrophe for Houston's Most Vulnerable People

Within cities, poor communities of color often live in segregated neighborhoods with higher flood risks. This is especially true in Houston. [maps and data provided supporting this statement]


https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/08/a-catastrophe-for-houstons-most-vulnerable-people/538155/

Reality:

This event will hurt the poorest people worst, and those people are overwhelmingly black and Hispanic in this case.

So, yes, let's help the non-whites Darrin. Sorry if you only wanted to help the white people.

[Pavlov]

But muh Cajun Navy!

[DarrinS]

So, yes, let's help the non-whites Darrin. Sorry if you only wanted to help the white people.


I didn't send my donation to white-only Red Cross.

[boutons_deux]

search "new orleans 10 years after katrina"

[Pavlov]

I didn't send my donation to white-only Red Cross.Indignant virtue signaling.

[boutons_deux]

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/08/a-catastrophe-for-houstons-most-vulnerable-people/538155/


Many of these same people were already living a catastrophe, bad pregnancies, damaged/dead babies, diseases, cancers, in the neighborhoods adjacent to poison-spewing petrochemical plants and 20+ Superfund sites.

Is what people mean by "environmental justice".

Same story for petrochemical industry along the Gulf and Mississippi river. dead or diseased Ms as "external costs" ignored by BigCarbon.

White male supremacy (blacks, browns, reds, yellows aren't Real Americans, aren't to be helped) and the "you're poor because you're morally bad, God doesn't love you" are fundamentally, totally toxic, inhumane.

[RandomGuy]

I didn't send my donation to white-only Red Cross.

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/08/29/25382879/the-only-thing-you-should-give-to-red-cross-is-blood


Take Hurricane Sandy. An investigation by ProPublica and NPR found that in the aftermath of Sandy, Red Cross was unable to provide even basic aid to those in need. Instead, they used 40 percent of available disaster relief trucks as backdrops for news conferences. From ProPublica:

According to interviews and documents, the Red Cross lacked basic supplies like food, blankets and batteries to distribute to victims in the days just after the storms. Sometimes, even when supplies were plentiful, they went to waste. In one case, the Red Cross had to throw out tens of thousands of meals because it couldn’t find the people who needed them.


http://www.newser.com/story/247900/want-to-help-after-harvey-dont-donate-to-the-red-cross.html

Your laziness means that money will quite possibly be wasted.

A little research goes a long way. I will probably give a bit to the Cajun Navy, and hold off a bit until I can get a sense of how best to deploy my budget.

If I end up hosting a family in my house, I may just hand them that budget and wish them well, trusting them to use the money in the best way they can.

[RandomGuy]

Many of these same people were already living a catastrophe, bad pregnancies, damaged/dead babies, diseases, cancers, in the neighborhoods adjacent to poison-spewing petrochemical plants and 20+ Superfund sites.

Is what people mean by "environmental justice".

Same story for petrochemical industry along the Gulf and Mississippi river. dead or diseased Ms as "external costs" ignored by BigCarbon.

White male supremacy (blacks, browns, reds, yellows aren't Real Americans, aren't to be helped) and the "you're poor because you're morally bad, God doesn't love you" are fundamentally, totally toxic, inhumane.

Pretty much.

Personally, the problems already cropping up in gasoline distribution make a great case for pushing electric vehicles and renewables.

Moving energy around in a physical form means you have a distribution method for transportation needs that is vulnerable to such things.

Distributed power, interlinked at places, with renewables and electric vehicles would seem to be a bit more robust, since you can generate electricity just about anywhere with a solar panel.

[boutons_deux]

Red Cross? swallowed $500M in donations for Haiti earthquake and built 5 or 6 houses.

[DarrinS]

Being from that area, I can tell you there are hardly any poor white people there. :lol

[DarrinS]

Red Cross? swallowed $500M in donations for Haiti earthquake and built 5 or 6 houses.

Sandra Bullock just donated 1M.

[ducks]

More fake lying news from the left trump had FEMA and other organizations rallied nearby ahead of the storm in a way Obama never would have thought of

[DarrinS]

By the way, when did Latino become Latinx? What's that about?

[RandomGuy]

Sandra Bullock just donated 1M.

Good for her.

[RandomGuy]

Sandra Bullock just donated 1M.

Good for her.

[boutons_deux]

Sandra Bullock just donated 1M.

How much has Exxon, other oil/gasco's donated?

[ducks]

Hurricane Harvey resulted in the worst flooding disaster in the United States, House Homeland Security Chairman Michael McCaul said Wednesday, but the response has been "one of the best-coordinated recoveries that I've seen."

"First of all, my governor submitted a disaster [declaration] to get FMEA pre-positioned on the ground early on to respond to this enormous, devastating event, that I think the state has never seen before," the Texas Republican told Fox News' "America's Newsroom" program, noting that he has been in his House position through Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Sandy as well.

[ducks]

How much has Exxon, other oil/gasco's donated?

how much has BOUTONS donated


dbacks had a raffle for them last night

[ducks]

Democrats would be quick to criticize President Donald Trump's performance following Hurricane Harvey's devastation even if he took extreme measures, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said Wednesday.

"If Donald Trump got a drinking straw and personally sucked every drop of water out of the flood zones of Houston the Democrats would say that he didn't put the water back in the right place," Huckabee told Fox News' "America's Newsroom." "There is nothing he is ever going to do to satisfy the critics who hate him and want him out of the office."

[ducks]

Trump's critics have said he has not been showing empathy to the massive storm's victims, but Huckabee pointed out Tuesday's visit was largely for him to meet with officials.

"He did not want to go to Houston for the obvious reason his presence there would have disrupted an enormous amount of emergency efforts to save people's lives," said Huckabee. "I think that is showing empathy. He is scheduled to go back this weekend and go to Houston and to be able to see those victims and put his arms around them. So this is the early stage of what is going to be a very, very long recovery for the people who are affected by these floods."

[RandomGuy]

How much has Exxon, other oil/gasco's donated?

Exxon has given $1M so far.

http://wgno.com/2017/08/29/google-exxon-caterpillar-corporate-america-donates-millions-to-harvey-relief/

Exxon profit 2016:

7,840,000,000

2016 key executive compensation:
91,275,484

[RandomGuy]

Trump's critics have said he has not been showing empathy to the massive storm's victims, but Huckabee pointed out Tuesday's visit was largely for him to meet with officials.

"He did not want to go to Houston for the obvious reason his presence there would have disrupted an enormous amount of emergency efforts to save people's lives," said Huckabee. "I think that is showing empathy. He is scheduled to go back this weekend and go to Houston and to be able to see those victims and put his arms around them. So this is the early stage of what is going to be a very, very long recovery for the people who are affected by these floods."

:downspin

Huckabee has had his nose so far up Trumps trousers it is crowding out Hannity. Huckabee "thinking" lol

[boutons_deux]

Houston’s flooding shows what happens when you ignore science and let developers run rampant


https://qz.com/1064364/hurricane-harvey-houstons-flooding-made-worse-by-unchecked-urban-development-and-wetland-destruction/?mc_cid=a6b124a622&mc_eid=47e367557b

[ducks]

they have always been hurricanes and flooding

[RandomGuy]

they have always been hurricanes and flooding

Police find van of family of 6 believed to have been swept away by Hurricane Harvey

Officials announced on Twitter they have located a van they believe may have belonged to a family of six who was swept away by raging flood waters brought by Hurricane Harvey on Monday.

Manuel Saldivar, 84, and his wife Belia, 81, along with their grandchildren Daisy Saldivar, 6, Xavier Saldivar, 8, Dominic Saldivar, 14, and Devy Saldivar, 16, were allegedly driving across a bridge in Greens Bayou, Texas, in order to escape rising waters when they encountered even more severe flooding.

...

"At least two bodies that we can see in the front seat, but based on the angle and the type of van with no windows in the back, it is hard to look inside," he told reporters, according to BuzzFeed News.

The department is working with a local medical examiner's office and a police dive team to identify the bodies.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/wiNJ9jfsITBpolcN7ru4Ag--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/aol_com_127/8deae084446b4f8516d1834474e5cb68

[Thread]

A lot of hard feelings & blood feuds can get settled + lost in the honest shit in an event like this.

[RandomGuy]

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[RandomGuy]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIgGhWIUQAAhceS.jpg:large..

[RandomGuy]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Q2a08LnpN0FSTrwwexkNtg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/the_huffington_post_584/7f253e066eca5dae74bdf4ab6faee265

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[RandomGuy]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/lUCnZ5C2Kpzjp5FiatExXg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/the_huffington_post_584/a591d734741891cd22906d8179e2d965

Notice the oil slick.

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[RandomGuy]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/D6tMwGUEadJs5dHqgOnqRg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/the_huffington_post_584/5b1150eb5d40ee6fb341d17a2c934de8

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[RandomGuy]

Arkema chemical plant raising possible risk of explosion Arkema chemical plant raising possible risk of explosion
6 Hours Ago | 03:22
Arkema's North America chief executive said on Wednesday the company has no way of preventing chemicals from catching fire or exploding at its heavily flooded plant in Crosby, Texas.

The company evacuated remaining workers on Tuesday and Harris County ordered the evacuation of residents in a 1.5-mile radius of the plant that makes organic chemicals.

Richard Rowe, who is CEO of the company's North America unit, told reporters the company expects chemicals on site to catch fire or explode within the next six days. He said the company has no way to prevent a fire or potential explosion near the plant that is swamped by about six feet of water.

The plant evacuated its remaining workers on Tuesday amid the risk of an explosion after Tropical Storm Harvey knocked out power and flooding swamped its backup generators.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/30/arkema-ceo-no-way-to-potentially-stop-an-explosion.html

[Thread]

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[RandomGuy]

https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_22/1041746/150526-austin-flooding-745a_f85e69655fbea1c1dc0b658812c09d7f.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpg

[RandomGuy]

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[RandomGuy]

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Intresting. Street sign very clear. Out of curiosity:

Patterson road is apparently really close to the Addicks reservoir. just north of I-10. Only stop sign on that road is, per google maps at Bear creek.

Approximate address of picture:
15393 Patterson Rd

[boutons_deux]

President Donald Trump is promising billions to help Texas rebuild from Hurricane Harvey, but

his Republican allies in the House are looking at cutting almost $1 billion from disaster accounts to help finance the president’s border wall.

The pending reduction to the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s disaster relief account is part of a spending bill that the House is scheduled to consider next week when Congress returns from its August recess.

The $876 million cut, part of the 1,305-page measure’s homeland security section, pays for roughly half the cost of Trump’s down payment on a U.S.-Mexico border wall.

It seems sure that GOP leaders will move to reverse the disaster aid cut next week.

The optics are politically bad and there’s only $2.3 billion remaining in disaster coffers.

https://www.apnews.com/83e6782d48e04993a741b834771c078b?utm_campaign=Soci alFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics

[boutons_deux]

people not happy with Politico making fun of ignorant, stupid, bitter TX Christian/secessionist

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIfyCQfWsA889EH.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Texas Mother Dies Saving Her 3-Year-Old Daughter During Hurricane Harvey Flood: ‘The Baby Was Clinging to Her’



A Texas woman saved her 3-year-old daughter from drowning during a flood in Beaumont, Texas, on Tuesday.


Officer Carol Riley, a spokeswoman for the Beaumont Police Department, tells PEOPLE the unidentified 41-year-old was found floating in a canal with her daughter clinging to her.

Riley said the woman “absolutely saved the child’s life.”

“They were in the water for quite some time,” Riley says. “When the baby was found the baby was clinging to her. The mother did the best she could to keep her child up over the water.”

“The baby also had a backpack that was helping her float on her back and she was holding on to her mom,” Riley adds.

The mother was driving on the I-10 service road when the water reached high levels. According to a release by the police department, the woman pulled her vehicle into a Plaza 10 parking lot, where it proceeded to get stuck.

whew. hard to read.

[I. Hustle]

Texas Mother Dies Saving Her 3-Year-Old Daughter During Hurricane Harvey Flood: ‘The Baby Was Clinging to Her’



whew. hard to read.

Dude.


That is horrible. That's tough to even think about.

[spurraider21]

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150601073507-01-tx-flooding-0601-super-169.jpg

Intresting. Street sign very clear. Out of curiosity:

Patterson road is apparently really close to the Addicks reservoir. just north of I-10. Only stop sign on that road is, per google maps at Bear creek.

Approximate address of picture:
15393 Patterson Rd
Wild cobra would be proud

[boutons_deux]

Intresting. Street sign very clear. Out of curiosity:

Patterson road is apparently really close to the Addicks reservoir. just north of I-10. Only stop sign on that road is, per google maps at Bear creek.

Approximate address of picture:
15393 Patterson Rd

how about IN the reservoir?

https://goo.gl/maps/fKFbrQ6Y2HM2

[illmatic]

Police find van of family of 6 believed to have been swept away by Hurricane Harvey

Officials announced on Twitter they have located a van they believe may have belonged to a family of six who was swept away by raging flood waters brought by Hurricane Harvey on Monday.

Manuel Saldivar, 84, and his wife Belia, 81, along with their grandchildren Daisy Saldivar, 6, Xavier Saldivar, 8, Dominic Saldivar, 14, and Devy Saldivar, 16, were allegedly driving across a bridge in Greens Bayou, Texas, in order to escape rising waters when they encountered even more severe flooding.

...

"At least two bodies that we can see in the front seat, but based on the angle and the type of van with no windows in the back, it is hard to look inside," he told reporters, according to BuzzFeed News.

The department is working with a local medical examiner's office and a police dive team to identify the bodies.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/wiNJ9jfsITBpolcN7ru4Ag--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/aol_com_127/8deae084446b4f8516d1834474e5cb68

I have a feeling we are going to start hearing about stories like these in the coming days. Truly sad.

[DarrinS]

Wild cobra would be proud

:lol

[Pavlov]

how about IN the reservoir?

https://goo.gl/maps/fKFbrQ6Y2HM2Hey, I ate at that Waffle House in January. Wonder how those buildings near I-10 fared.

[RandomGuy]

Wild cobra would be proud


Ouch, sir. You wound me to the quick. :lol

[RandomGuy]

I have a feeling we are going to start hearing about stories like these in the coming days. Truly sad.

I have little doubt.

I have a terrible feeling that the death toll is going to be fairly large. Hopefully I am wrong about that.

[Pavlov]

Beaumont Civic Center shelter full. Lamar University arena opening for evacuees.

[vy65]

That is what I wonder. "no tax increases, government spending bad" is not really workable when you have really huge problems that require a lot of pooled resources, i.e. government.

I am not so sure about Houston. This is just too huge. It will recover mostly, but never get back to where it was before the storm.

That all depends on what you mean by what "it was before the storm." I don't see the energy, medical/technical, education, or transportation/logistics sectors of the Houston economy moving. I also don't s

What I do see is movement from the southeast and north suburbs (Missouri City, Sugarland, Katy) that got buttfucked from the storm. Those areas are filled with middle to lower-middle class people who probably will never recover financially (likely levered entirely in a 250k-500k home with no flood insurance). You'll either see those people leave or move closer into the city. There's already a large push here towards the urban core inside the loop -- which has been relatively unharmed other than select pockets along the bayou or low-laying areas.

The burbs are in the flood plain. And that's why they got fucked. I don't see those parts of town recovering; but to say that Houston won't be what it was is fucking stupid considering most if not all articles that have come out in the past couple days are expecting a speedy recovery.

I.e., https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/business/economy/texas-hurricane-harvey-economic-impact.html

[vy65]

What will happen next (Katrina is a mild model, but this is bigger):

7.6 million people in the affected area. Even if only 5%, that is 350,000+ people need to be immediately relocated that will swamp the 10,000 beds here and there that are being set up in Austin, San Antonio, Dallas. Hundreds of thousands of people will need some place to go.


Houston has no power, and it will take a long time for that to change. Hazardous waste will be everywhere. Power company can't even get into places to see what needs to be fixed yet.

The waters will slowly go down, but the heat is projected to go up to normal for this time of year. 90+ degrees, on the coast with all the humidity keeping things from drying out.

The city will be hot, humid, and a LOT of structures are going to be wet, that will make mold instantly take root, and houses will be rotting almost immediately. I have seen first hand flood recovery, and in my tiny neighborhood, that took months. This is going to be 1000 times larger, and vastly more problematic, especially as the sanitation infrastructure (power/water/waste) is going to be out of operation.

Best thing that anyone can do is be ready for that stream of people needing to be relocated, IMO.

They are going to find a lot of dead people, some of which may never be found as they were quite possibly swept out to sea.

There will be no running water, no power, no food, mosquitoes, mold, poor sanitation, etc. People will get sick.

We have improved our response to such things since Katrina/Rita, but this has, by all accounts overwhelmed current efforts. Once the water goes down, we will know more, but it looks bad.

Just out of curiousity, what are you basing this off of? Have you spoken with people actually in the city?

[Thread]

That all depends on what you mean by what "it was before the storm." I don't see the energy, medical/technical, education, or transportation/logistics sectors of the Houston economy moving. I also don't s

What I do see is movement from the southeast and north suburbs (Missouri City, Sugarland, Katy) that got buttfucked from the storm. Those areas are filled with middle to lower-middle class people who probably will never recover financially (likely levered entirely in a 250k-500k home with no flood insurance). You'll either see those people leave or move closer into the city. There's already a large push here towards the urban core inside the loop -- which has been relatively unharmed other than select pockets along the bayou or low-laying areas.

The burbs are in the flood plain. And that's why they got fucked. I don't see those parts of town recovering; but to say that Houston won't be what it was is fucking stupid considering most if not all articles that have come out in the past couple days are expecting a speedy recovery.

I.e., https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/business/economy/texas-hurricane-harvey-economic-impact.html

That's it, that's the killing ground, right there.

[DMC]

Sandra Bullock just donated 1M.

shes hot

[DarrinS]

shes hot

For being in her 50's, I'd say so.

[DarrinS]

Kevin Hart donated 25k tho. Lol

[Pavlov]

Jesus Christ, Darrin. Give it a rest.

[DarrinS]

Jesus Christ, Darrin. Give it a rest.

J.J. Watt raised over 6M.

[Pavlov]

J.J. Watt raised over 6M.You hate black people.

We get it.

[DarrinS]

You hate black people.

We get it.

Yeah, you've stated that numerous times. Doesn't make it true.

I just pointed out that some celebs are cheap.

[DarrinS]

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[Pavlov]

Yeah, you've stated that numerous times. Doesn't make it true.Your statements make it true.


I just pointed out that some celebs are cheap.You named a black one. From Philadelphia. Then you virtue signaled by white Texan proxy.

[DarrinS]

Your statements make it true.

You named a black one. From Philadelphia. Then you virtue signaled by white Texan proxy.


Alrighty then

[Pavlov]

Alrighty thenAnd Hart just raised $1 million so far via his challenge after doubling his initial donation. But he's still a cheap black piece of shit to you, right?

[DarrinS]

And Hart just raised $1 million so far via his challenge after doubling his initial donation. But he's still a cheap black piece of shit to you, right?

Tourette's much?

[Pavlov]

Tourette's much?What part did you not understand Darrin? I want you to understand clearly how big an asshole you're being.

[vy65]

Who the fuck cares? It's not a fucking contest.

[DarrinS]

What part did you not understand Darrin? I want you to understand clearly how big an asshole you're being.

Antifa would definitely think I'm a Nazi.

[Pavlov]

Antifa would definitely think I'm a Nazi.Not applicable. Get back to hating black people ITT.

[DarrinS]

Not applicable. Get back to hating black people ITT.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[Pavlov]

Wash, rinse, repeat.Blacks, Antifa, repeat.

[pgardn]

Who the fuck cares? It's not a fucking contest.

Yeah it is on this board.

The Thread syndrome of a W or L (in his mind) is all that counts, even if a city or country is Fd up.

[Thread]

Yeah it is on this board.

The Thread syndrome of a W or L (in his mind) is all that counts, even if a city or country is Fd up.

The origins of which reside in the Lakers/Celtics of the '80's. We WERE total shit if we didn't beat the Celtics. Fine. I took it without any assurance that we'd break through.

But, daddy, sweetheart, once we broke thru? That's the linePERIOD

& it goes for virtually every (contest). Hillary came in 2nd, she's total shit.
He pardons Joe. That's it---the end.
He shit cans Comey. That's it, no more limo.
He confirms -BOTH SIDES-period

on & on.


Let us proceed...

[DarrinS]

Democrat's most hated demographic continuing to save thousands.

[Pavlov]

Democrat's most hated demographic continuing to save thousands.


Wash, rinse, repeat.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/21105651_1465675880147951_2329657873564938720_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=bd863949504ccb43e55c0afac14fe5cf&oe=5A128406clinton foundation can not help red state Texas ?

[ducks]

VP Pence to Visit Texas Thursday

[Pavlov]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/21105651_1465675880147951_2329657873564938720_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=bd863949504ccb43e55c0afac14fe5cf&oe=5A128406clinton foundation can not help red state Texas ?They haven't even dried out, ducks.


VP Pence to Visit Texas ThursdaySanta's helper coming to town with det sweet, sweet socialism.

[ducks]

Did not stop others from giving

[Pavlov]

Did not stop others from givingSome people were too busy making memes.

How much has the Donald J. Trump Foundation donated?

How much has Donald J. Trump donated himself?

This is getting ridiculous.

[ducks]

$18/Hr. Hurricane Harvey Cleanup Labor & Drywall work
https://yuma.craigslist.org/lab/d/18-hr-hurricane-harvey/6285791323.html

[DarrinS]

Another white devil


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UiyBUtd_-I

[pgardn]

The origins of which reside in the Lakers/Celtics of the '80's. We WERE total shit if we didn't beat the Celtics. Fine. I took it without any assurance that we'd break through.

But, daddy, sweetheart, once we broke thru? That's the linePERIOD

& it goes for virtually every (contest). Hillary came in 2nd, she's total shit.
He pardons Joe. That's it---the end.
He shit cans Comey. That's it, no more limo.
He confirms -BOTH SIDES-period

on & on.


Let us proceed...

Zero.

This has been the least accomplished presidency of the modern era.
Joe's pardon... Joe's pardon...

Let us know when a hair falls off the Donald's head.
What you choose to look for to get your W are absolutely insignificant, or as with Comey, Trump butt fcks himself.
How thick are the cobwebs, get out off your knees for Christsakes, you are fermenting and rotting.

[pgardn]

Another white devil


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UiyBUtd_-I

Yeah.
Its all about skin color.

[DMC]

Some people were too busy making memes.

How much has the Donald J. Trump Foundation donated?

How much has Donald J. Trump donated himself?

This is getting ridiculous.

God damn dude slow down a little bit. You're like a ferret on a double espresso.

[pgardn]

I think we, Texas, should secede now.
The time is ripe to show just how independent we are.

[Thread]

Zero.

This has been the least accomplished presidency of the modern era.
Joe's pardon... Joe's pardon...

Let us know when a hair falls off the Donald's head.
What you choose to look for to get your W are absolutely insignificant, or as with Comey, Trump butt fcks himself.
How thick are the cobwebs, get out off your knees for Christsakes, you are fermenting and rotting.

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

& buster, nothing is going to change that fact. You thought it was you. & it was not.

Suffer. I've no sympathy for you.

[ducks]

$18/Hr. Hurricane Harvey Cleanup Labor & Drywall work
https://yuma.craigslist.org/lab/d/18-hr-hurricane-harvey/6285791323.html

[MannyIsGod]

How many 100 year + floods has Houston had in the past ~15 years? Probably not enough for Darrin not to stop denying climate change.

[Thread]

Just don't hug anybody there. Bush looked like an asshole doing that on demand.

& they don't want to be hugged. They want it to be like it was. & you---nor anybody else can give them that.

[DarrinS]

How many 100 year + floods has Houston had in the past ~15 years? Probably not enough for Darrin not to stop denying climate change.

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[boutons_deux]

How many 100 year + floods has Houston had in the past ~15 years? Probably not enough for Darrin not to stop denying climate change.

3 500-year floods in 3 years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/29/houston-is-experiencing-its-third-500-year-flood-in-3-years-how-is-that-possible/?utm_term=.ecb72c996720

[Quadzilla99]

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Wow, she makes a great point there Darrin too bad she's not credible the rest of the time she talks about climate change, huh?

[DarrinS]

I guess CO2 caused the two high pressure systems that stalled Harvey over Houston.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPuOG-moH6Q

[pgardn]

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

& buster, nothing is going to change that fact. You thought it was you. & it was not.

Suffer. I've no sympathy for you.

Trump president, not Clinton.

Time has actually moved forward for the rest of the world old man.
But you rest comfortably while kneeling and rotting.

[RandomGuy]

How many 100 year + floods has Houston had in the past ~15 years? Probably not enough for Darrin not to stop denying climate change.

Definitely not enough for him to stop making really bad arguments.

[pgardn]

I guess CO2 caused the two high pressure systems that stalled Harvey over Houston.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPuOG-moH6Q

This is exactly the problem for the people who WANT the world to fit their model even though the current consensus does not extrapolate this far.

Just like FOX and the constant, "damn it's cold HERE, ha, where's that GLOBAL warming Bimbette? *insert bimbo response of agreement* . And the FOX people buy it and then reuse it. The guy from the hurricane center at least made the correction instead of having some female anchor dutifully listen to the weather guy shaking that pretty head in agreement.

Darrin you gotta listen to WOAI.

What is it with this Joe Pags guy and his female cohost? Why do they need a servant for him?

[djohn2oo8]

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[Blake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIgGhWIUQAAhceS.jpg:large...

He's heading to Missouri

[RandomGuy]

901106392211247104


Here's What Happened When A Climate Scientist Went To A Pub To Argue With Deniers

So a climate scientist walks into a pub...

It sounds like the first line of a bad joke. But it's not. It's reality. Dr Tamsin Edwards has actually been to the pub to engage with climate science sceptics on numerous occasions.

Why?

Because Edwards, a British climate modeller and lecturer in environmental sciences, believes that "it's so much harder to demonise and dismiss someone when you understand that they're going through the same kind of things as a human, the same struggles".

"They might find it hard to get out of bed in the morning, they might not feel confident in their job, they might be an insomniac like I am, they might like doing the same sports as you do," she says.

Her point being: if you find a little common ground, it's a lot easier to talk about, well, anything.

Edwards is the fifth climate scientist in HuffPost Australia's Breaking The Ice series -- in which we profile the people behind the climate science -- and to be frank, we couldn't wait to get hold of her.

Our series is all about humanising the climate scientists. It's about saying hey, before you blindly dismiss their work, understand who they are as people.

"And of course it goes both ways," she told HuffPost Australia on the podcast.

"It's been incredibly powerful for me to go and have a beer or a cup of tea with climate sceptics, to find out what they're like as humans, just so you can then bring the conversation to a more normal level, less of a mudslinging bun fight aggressive sort of thing.

"I've found it's incredibly powerful just to listen a bit, and usually there's something really powerful in making people feel heard."

Edwards attended a talk recently where research was tabled showing that the further away someone is from the group, the more the brain sees that person as an object.

"You literally dehumanise them," she says.

There's a strong argument that's exactly what some people do when they label scientists "warmists" or "alarmists". It's easy to create an "us and them" narrative when the "them" are not personally known to you.

But when people actually meet a climate scientist, and when they discover that the research is not being done to cash in on exorbitant grants, and that scientists are genuinely worried about the liveability of planet earth, they often change their tune.

As a climate modeller, Edwards deals with the side of climate science which is most difficult to sell -- namely, its downstream effects.

That humans are causing warming at an unprecedent rate is disputed only by those with an ideological anti-science barrow to push. But no one knows for sure what happens next.

How much do oceans rise? Exactly how fast is the world warming? What else is happening in the incredibly complicated interface between the land, the atmosphere and the oceans that could threaten our cities and towns, our food security and our very ability to live?

That's where people like Edwards come in.

"Climate is all about probability," she says. "By definition you cannot pin it down to a single number. But on the balance of things, it's more of a risk than it's going to be a benefit."

Unlike some of the scientists in our series like Michael Mann -- who in episode 1 urged Donald Trump to take renewable energy policy seriously -- Edwards stops short of prescribing action for politicians in the face of climate change.

She's all about tabling the facts, rather than telling people what to do about them.

"As scientists, we cannot determine the values of society," she says. "We can only talk about our expertise and feed that into the conversation."

Tamsin Edwards has the knack of feeding conversations on both the global and individual scale -- more often that not, washed down with a lovely pint of British ale.

[boutons_deux]

nothing to do with global warming in the Anthropocene, but temps will be 25F above normal for the Burning Man festival this weekend.

[pgardn]

The DeGrasse comment was called out, this is a very relevant healthy disagreement.

Now it's time for a Republican to chime in with "see, the science guys don't know wtf they are doing" in order to deny.

Why is it that conservatives have such a hard time with science?

Btw the short term modeling vs. long term data gathering on global temps are two very different things. When climatologists model exact locations as turning into deserts in 30 years it should be understood this is a very tenuous, inexact forecast. And should be labeled as such by the press. But the press wants their jollies as well in some cases.

[boutons_deux]

Why is it that conservatives have such a hard time with science?

very simple, the oligarchy pays them to deny AGW.

compounded by

Bible-humpers denying anything that isn't in their Bible's fairy tales.

[pgardn]

very simple, the oligarchy pays them to deny AGW.

compounded by

Bible-humpers denying anything that aren't in their Bible's fairy tales.

And why do you have such a hard time with GMO in totality?

What do you think about the recent gene therapy results in humans?

[boutons_deux]

And why do you have such a hard time with GMO in totality?

What do you think about the recent gene therapy results in humans?

because GMO crops have NOTHING to do with nutrition, crop yields, and

EVERYTHING to do with enslaving farmers as a captive market for GMO seeds and TONS of x-icide.

Has your cherished golden rice EVER been shown to raise Vit A levels?

FDA just approved its first gene/immunotherapy for one type cancer this week, costing $450K / year.

[RandomGuy]

This is exactly the problem for the people who WANT the world to fit their model even though the current consensus does not extrapolate this far.

Just like FOX and the constant, "damn it's cold HERE, ha, where's that GLOBAL warming Bimbette? *insert bimbo response of agreement* . And the FOX people buy it and then reuse it. The guy from the hurricane center at least made the correction instead of having some female anchor dutifully listen to the weather guy shaking that pretty head in agreement.

Darrin you gotta listen to WOAI.

What is it with this Joe Pags guy and his female cohost? Why do they need a servant for him?

When given facts and details, people dig in their heels.

Did man-caused climate change cause any given storm? Probably not.

Hurricanes get their energy from warm water in the oceans. Global warming means that ocean water is warmer. We have measured and quantified this effect.

Warmer water evaporates a bit more than colder water. Global warming means more water in the air. We have measured and quantified this effect.

Any given storm is going to be a bit more intense, and have a bit more rain than it would otherwise. It is around the edges that the effects will be increasingly felt. 7-10% more intensity usually doesn't mean much, but when you get tipping points such as "10 inches of rain in this area can be absorbed by a river system without flooding, but 11 inches will cause it to overflow its banks" that is where you get disasters.

These things will happen more frequently, and be worse than they would have otherwise.

Funny thing is that accepting the science on this is just the first step.

Taking steps to avoid future warming is where the people with their head in the sand really fail.

"Limiting fossil fuels is harmful to the economy", is easily disproved, and our reductions in CO2 emissions will not only cut our climate risks, but actively help our economy.

From a risk management standpoint, the net cost of mitigation is really low, even setting aside the variable costs associated with such events.

Shifting energy usage patterns will have costs, however balanced they will be by gains elsewhere.

Here is where the limitations of conservative "in the box" thinking are working against a solution:

The biggest losers will be energy companies that see themselves as primarily fossil fuel companies, and can't or won't adapt. Fossil fuel extraction is a trillion dollar industry, and they pay for a LOT of propaganda that people who are intellectually lazy and lack the key critical thinking skill of evaluating their own biases accept as truth.

[pgardn]

because GMO crops have NOTHING to do with nutrition, crop yields, and

EVERYTHING to do with enslaving farmers as a captive market for GMO seeds and TONS of x-icide.

Has your cherished golden rice EVER been shown to raise Vit A levels?

FDA just approved its first gene/immunotherapy for one type cancer this week, costing $450K / year.

You don't stop research on Golden Rice you fool. You are more worried about big AG and Pharma than you are people.

450k only if it works and the price will come down. It's in the first stages. Also people that cannot afford can still get it. You always leave out info.

Stick to the legit big Pharma rip offs and AG. You paint with a giant brush that incorrectly hurts people. Why don't you spend time with farmers who still till rather than use GMO? Tilling is MUCH MORE DESTRUCTIVE and leads to all the bad chemicals and shit you don't want. But have you ever mentioned it, NO.

Why? Because it does not involve your cherished BIG hangup. It's a technique you can't hang on a big company.

[RandomGuy]

because GMO crops have NOTHING to do with nutrition, crop yields, and

EVERYTHING to do with enslaving farmers as a captive market for GMO seeds and TONS of x-icide.

Has your cherished golden rice EVER been shown to raise Vit A levels?

FDA just approved its first gene/immunotherapy for one type cancer this week, costing $450K / year.

GMOs are simply allowing much faster tailoring of crops to specific needs. We are learning how best to do this, just as we have had learning curves for every new technology we have discovered.

At some point, the ability to modify genomes will become cheaper, and cheaper, and this technology will be "pushed down" to the local and individual levels.

What will you say when it is the individual farmer modifying their crops?

[RandomGuy]

The DeGrasse comment was called out, this is a very relevant healthy disagreement.

Now it's time for a Republican to chime in with "see, the science guys don't know wtf they are doing" in order to deny.

Why is it that conservatives have such a hard time with science?

Btw the short term modeling vs. long term data gathering on global temps are two very different things. When climatologists model exact locations as turning into deserts in 30 years it should be understood this is a very tenuous, inexact forecast. And should be labeled as such by the press. But the press wants their jollies as well in some cases.

+1

[RandomGuy]

That all depends on what you mean by what "it was before the storm." I don't see the energy, medical/technical, education, or transportation/logistics sectors of the Houston economy moving. I also don't s

What I do see is movement from the southeast and north suburbs (Missouri City, Sugarland, Katy) that got buttfucked from the storm. Those areas are filled with middle to lower-middle class people who probably will never recover financially (likely levered entirely in a 250k-500k home with no flood insurance). You'll either see those people leave or move closer into the city. There's already a large push here towards the urban core inside the loop -- which has been relatively unharmed other than select pockets along the bayou or low-laying areas.

The burbs are in the flood plain. And that's why they got fucked. I don't see those parts of town recovering; but to say that Houston won't be what it was is fucking stupid considering most if not all articles that have come out in the past couple days are expecting a speedy recovery.

I.e., https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/business/economy/texas-hurricane-harvey-economic-impact.html

(nods)

It does have some factors going for it, yes. In that Houston has a leg up on N.O. The parts that I worry about not coming back are exactly what you correctly named here.

[DarrinS]

Harvey was significantly weakened by the time it was in the Houston area. The fact that it lingered there for so long is why there is such epic flooding.

The Galveston hurricane of 1900 killed between 9-12k people.

[pgardn]

When given facts and details, people dig in their heels.

Did man-caused climate change cause any given storm? Probably not.

Hurricanes get their energy from warm water in the oceans. Global warming means that ocean water is warmer. We have measured and quantified this effect.

Warmer water evaporates a bit more than colder water. Global warming means more water in the air. We have measured and quantified this effect.

Any given storm is going to be a bit more intense, and have a bit more rain than it would otherwise. It is around the edges that the effects will be increasingly felt. 7-10% more intensity usually doesn't mean much, but when you get tipping points such as "10 inches of rain in this area can be absorbed by a river system without flooding, but 11 inches will cause it to overflow its banks" that is where you get disasters.

These things will happen more frequently, and be worse than they would have otherwise.

Funny thing is that accepting the science on this is just the first step.

Taking steps to avoid future warming is where the people with their head in the sand really fail.

"Limiting fossil fuels is harmful to the economy", is easily disproved, and our reductions in CO2 emissions will not only cut our climate risks, but actively help our economy.

From a risk management standpoint, the net cost of mitigation is really low, even setting aside the variable costs associated with such events.

Shifting energy usage patterns will have costs, however balanced they will be by gains elsewhere.

Here is where the limitations of conservative "in the box" thinking are working against a solution:

The biggest losers will be energy companies that see themselves as primarily fossil fuel companies, and can't or won't adapt. Fossil fuel extraction is a trillion dollar industry, and they pay for a LOT of propaganda that people who are intellectually lazy and lack the key critical thinking skill of evaluating their own biases accept as truth.

I get the hangup on fossil fuels. The infrastructure is in place and makes things cheap. Future energy will not totally be without fossil fuels. What I don't get is the blatant denial. The slow meandering acceptance is not helpful. Yes, maybe we are warming but human contribution is tiny. Maybe the contribution is more significant but it's not reversible so... on and on..

It does not help when meteorologists and astrophysics types muddy the water with their own incorrect extrapolations. They are not the experts either nor is anyone on this board. But of all people they should know they are being disingenuous.

[boutons_deux]

What will you say when it is the individual farmer modifying their crops?

"GMOs are simply allowing much faster tailoring of crops to specific needs. "

:lol :lol :lol "specific rentier capitalism needs for the PROFITS of BigChem"

farmers ain't gonna ever dick around with their own gene editing machines.

the "specific needs" of agriculture are to halt URGENTLY the denaturing, destroying the soil. Fucking chemicals don't improve human nutrition. All crops come from the soil, not from BigChem's poisons.

To put an even finer point on it, I read about one really advanced farmer, maybe even a TX farmer, saying irrigating crops with ALKALINE ground water already fucks up the crops that evolved with neutral or slightly acidic rain water. Some crops need an acidic soil to uptake a healthy contribution from the soil.

[pgardn]

Harvey was significantly weakened by the time it was in the Houston area. The fact that it lingered there for so long is why there is such epic flooding.

The Galveston hurricane of 1900 killed between 9-12k people.

This was when we basically put boats out in the water to try and send messages back in to Galveston that a storm was coming. There were no satellites. The lingering was predicted. We have had experience with horrendous flooding that lingers on a smaller scale in NO. Some of this could have been mitigated, some probably not.

We will get a fuller report in the future.

[RandomGuy]

Just out of curiousity, what are you basing this off of? Have you spoken with people actually in the city?

Direct personal experience with flood recovery.

You cannot stay in a stinking, moldy house with no power, temperature in the 90's and a lot of humidity. It is entirely untenable as shelter. Given the number of homes that I saw underwater that will be a LOT of housing destroyed. Once the water goes down, you need massive amounts of labor to clear out the damage. Many, many elderly people will be physically unable to do this for themselves.

I have not spoken to anyone in the city yet, merely paid attention to news. Houston does/did have a 10% vacancy rate for multifamily apartments that can absorb a good part of the need.

The rest is simply an off-the-hip estimate. Simple math suggests a massive need for shelter. A very large number like 7,600,000 means you start with a big constant, and the other factor, the unknown variable, i.e. the % of people needing shelter, does not have to be very large to mean that your ending total to be very large.

Initial official estimates tend to, in my experience, understate the magnitude of need, simply due to lack of solid information on which to base such estimates.

[pgardn]

"GMOs are simply allowing much faster tailoring of crops to specific needs. "

:lol :lol :lol "specific rentier capitalism needs for the PROFITS of BigChem"

farmers ain't gonna ever dick around with their own gene editing machines.

the "specific needs" of agriculture are to halt URGENTLY the denaturing, destroying the soil. Fucking chemicals don't improve human nutrition. All crops come from the soil, not from BigChem's poisons.

To put an even finer point on it, I read about one really advanced farmer, maybe even a TX farmer, saying irrigating crops with ALKALINE ground water already fucks up the crops that evolved with neutral or slightly acidic rain water. Some crops need an acidic soil to uptake a healthy contribution from the soil.

The above would not even be a problem with no till farming.
Why don't you expand on this? There are bigger issues in farming.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Just Said He Saw Harvey Devastation ‘Firsthand,’ Immediately Got Exposed

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

After witnessing first hand the horror & devastation caused by Hurricane Harvey,my heart goes out even more so to the great people of Texas!
8:12 AM - Aug 30, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/902881712010653697)


Andrew Beatty of French news agency Agence France-Presse quickly took to Twitter to refute the president’s claim:


Follow (https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/876954162591936514/WK57ziZP_normal.jpgAndrew Beatty (https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty)
(https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty)✔@AndrewBeatty (https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty)

I traveled with the President yesterday. Personally, I would not claim to have seen Harvey's horror and devastation first hand. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/902881712010653697 … (https://t.co/Zb7bsF5CW5)
8:43 AM - Aug 30, 2017 (https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty/status/902889563030519812)


http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/08/30/trump-just-said-saw-harvey-devastation-firsthand-immediately-got-exposed-2/



Did Trash LIE? So disappointing

[AaronY]

Trump Just Said He Saw Harvey Devastation ‘Firsthand,’ Immediately Got Exposed

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

After witnessing first hand the horror & devastation caused by Hurricane Harvey,my heart goes out even more so to the great people of Texas!
8:12 AM - Aug 30, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/902881712010653697)


Andrew Beatty of French news agency Agence France-Presse quickly took to Twitter to refute the president’s claim:


Follow (https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/876954162591936514/WK57ziZP_normal.jpgAndrew Beatty (https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty)
(https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty)✔@AndrewBeatty (https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty)

I traveled with the President yesterday. Personally, I would not claim to have seen Harvey's horror and devastation first hand. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/902881712010653697 … (https://t.co/Zb7bsF5CW5)
8:43 AM - Aug 30, 2017 (https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty/status/902889563030519812)


http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/08/30/trump-just-said-saw-harvey-devastation-firsthand-immediately-got-exposed-2/



Did Trash LIE? So disappointing


Crucify em boo! Send his ass directly to the tree of woe!

[AaronY]

Seriously though boo.. take in a movie or something

[pgardn]

Direct personal experience with flood recovery.

You cannot stay in a stinking, moldy house with no power, temperature in the 90's and a lot of humidity. It is entirely untenable as shelter. Given the number of homes that I saw underwater that will be a LOT of housing destroyed. Once the water goes down, you need massive amounts of labor to clear out the damage. Many, many elderly people will be physically unable to do this for themselves.

I have not spoken to anyone in the city yet, merely paid attention to news. Houston does/did have a 10% vacancy rate for multifamily apartments that can absorb a good part of the need.

The rest is simply an off-the-hip estimate. Simple math suggests a massive need for shelter. A very large number like 7,600,000 means you start with a big constant, and the other factor, the unknown variable, i.e. the % of people needing shelter, does not have to be very large to mean that your ending total to be very large.

Initial official estimates tend to, in my experience, understate the magnitude of need, simply due to lack of solid information on which to base such estimates.

Seriously i have experinced the inability to get dry for 3 days in freshwater and heat. One will start getting all kinds of fungal infections. Our skin was not made to handle this, especially city dwellers. We have the wrong bacterial and fungal flora to counter act the constantly wet skin. New fungus and bacteria get established and basically start feasting on skin. It's horrible.

[RandomGuy]

I get the hangup on fossil fuels. The infrastructure is in place and makes things cheap. Future energy will not totally be without fossil fuels. What I don't get is the blatant denial. The slow meandering acceptance is not helpful. Yes, maybe we are warming but human contribution is tiny. Maybe the contribution is more significant but it's not reversible so... on and on..

It does not help when meteorologists and astrophysics types muddy the water with their own incorrect extrapolations. They are not the experts either nor is anyone on this board. But of all people they should know they are being disingenuous.

As time goes by, and more infrastructure is built for renewables, the cost will continue to come down.

Fossil fuels require a constant stream of matter extraction, and supply chain, and cost, that simply is not there for renewables.

We are already starting to see the head of this trend, and that will continue. There will always be an "energy mix" of various sources of energy, yes. For a long time we were worried about "peak supply", but we may have seen "peak demand", which is certainly suggested by data.

We will be saved by the free market here, but that free market got a huge head start from people who recognized the risk that CO2 emissions represent.

People like DarrinS and Wild Cobra will not be viewed kindly by history.

[RandomGuy]

Seriously i have experinced the inability to get dry for 3 days in freshwater and heat. One will start getting all kinds of fungal infections. Our skin was not made to handle this, especially city dwellers. We have the wrong bacterial and fungal flora to counter act the constantly wet skin. New fungus and bacteria get established and basically start feasting on skin. It's horrible.

Yup. First thing they teach you in the army, take care of your feet, and keep them dry as you can.

[boutons_deux]

Seriously though boo.. take in a movie or something

Seriously, G F Y

[AaronY]

Lmao.

[AaronY]

Just give the politics a rest for like an hour. Watch a fast and furious movie or something

[pgardn]

As time goes by, and more infrastructure is built for renewables, the cost will continue to come down.

Fossil fuels require a constant stream of matter extraction, and supply chain, and cost, that simply is not there for renewables.

We are already starting to see the head of this trend, and that will continue. There will always be an "energy mix" of various sources of energy, yes. For a long time we were worried about "peak supply", but we may have seen "peak demand", which is certainly suggested by data.

We will be saved by the free market here, but that free market got a huge head start from people who recognized the risk that CO2 emissions represent.

People like DarrinS and Wild Cobra will not be viewed kindly by history.

Texas is the largest producer of wind energy in the world. It's here and will grow. In the meantime it will be interesting to see which renewables are the most proficient in which places.

That being said I look forward to the reports of the wind turbines on our coast. Initial reports are that they are up and working but power lines were/are the weak link. Solar panel fields.... Probably would not fare to well. We will see.

[pgardn]

Yup. First thing they teach you in the army, take care of your feet, and keep them dry as you can.

And the crotch and underarms in high humidity. This is just flat out miserable. It's the skin that's covered and constantly wet.

[DarrinS]

People like DarrinS and Wild Cobra will not be viewed kindly by history.

:lol

[Blake]

Direct personal experience with flood recovery.

You cannot stay in a stinking, moldy house with no power, temperature in the 90's and a lot of humidity. It is entirely untenable as shelter. Given the number of homes that I saw underwater that will be a LOT of housing destroyed. Once the water goes down, you need massive amounts of labor to clear out the damage.

Yeah I've seen walls completely covered in black mold from water damage.

Those homes are shot. They'll need to be completely gutted to be livable.

[boutons_deux]

"massive amounts of labor to clear out the damage."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5446965

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/hurricane-katrina-anniversary/latino-workers-helped-rebuild-new-orleans-many-werent-paid-n417571

Cleaning up after Harvey will be excellent illegal immigrant bait so Abbot, Patrick, CBP can trap the workers.

[AaronY]

"massive amounts of labor to clear out the damage."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5446965

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/hurricane-katrina-anniversary/latino-workers-helped-rebuild-new-orleans-many-werent-paid-n417571

Cleaning up after Harvey will be excellent illegal immigrant bait so Abbot, Patrick, CBP can trap the workers.
Maybe talk take the dog for a walk or something if you don't like movies. Do a round of golf or something

[Blake]

Cleaning up after Harvey will be excellent illegal immigrant bait so Abbot, Patrick, CBP can trap the workers.

I'm sure they'll wait until after the work is done

[Pavlov]

"massive amounts of labor to clear out the damage."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5446965

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/hurricane-katrina-anniversary/latino-workers-helped-rebuild-new-orleans-many-werent-paid-n417571

Cleaning up after Harvey will be excellent illegal immigrant bait so Abbot, Patrick, CBP can trap the workers.They're not going to be able to rebuild anything without a lot more immigrants. If the feds don't make some new Bracero program all of southeast Texas is going to become a de facto sanctuary region.

[Thread]

Trump president, not Clinton.

Time has actually moved forward for the rest of the world old man.
But you rest comfortably while kneeling and rotting.

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

[boutons_deux]

They're not going to be able to rebuild anything without a lot more immigrants. If the feds don't make some new Bracero program all of southeast Texas is going to become a de facto sanctuary region.

Fed judge just blocked TX sanctuary law that was to start 1 Sep

[RandomGuy]

They're not going to be able to rebuild anything without a lot more immigrants. If the feds don't make some new Bracero program all of southeast Texas is going to become a de facto sanctuary region.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-actions-undermine-building-stronger-203259306.html

Trump order undermines rebuilding better for future floods

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Two weeks before Harvey's flood waters engulfed much of Houston, President Donald Trump quietly rolled back an order by his predecessor that would have made it easier for storm-ravaged communities to use federal emergency aid to rebuild bridges, roads and other structures so they can better withstand future disasters.

Now, with much of the nation's fourth-largest city underwater, Trump's move has new resonance. Critics note the president's order could force Houston and other cities to rebuild hospitals and highways in the same way and in the same flood-prone areas.

"Rebuilding while ignoring future flood events is like treating someone for lung cancer and then giving him a carton of cigarettes on the way out the door," said Michael Gerrard, a professor of environmental and climate change law at Columbia University. "If you're going to rebuild after a bad event, you don't want to expose yourself to the same thing all over again."

Trump's action is one of several ways the president, who has called climate change a hoax, has tried to wipe away former President Barack Obama's efforts to make the United States more resilient to threats posed by the changing climate.

The order Trump revoked would have permitted the rebuilding to take into account climate scientists' predictions of stronger storms and more frequent flooding.

Bridges and highways, for example, could be rebuilt higher, or with better drainage. The foundation of a new fire station or hospital might be elevated an extra 3 feet (about 1 meter).

While scientists caution against blaming specific weather events like Harvey on climate change, warmer air and warmer water linked to global warming have long been projected to make such storms wetter and more intense. Houston, for example, has experienced three floods in three years that statistically were once considered 1-in-500-year events.

The government was still in the process of implementing Obama's 2015 order when it was rescinded. That means the old standard — rebuilding storm-ravaged facilities in the same way they had been built before — is still in place.

Trump revoked Obama's order as part of an executive order of his own that he touted at an Aug. 15 news conference at Trump Tower. That news conference was supposed to focus on infrastructure, but it was dominated by Trump's comments on the previous weekend's violence in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Trump didn't specifically mention the revocation, but he said he was making the federal permitting process for the construction of transportation and other infrastructure projects faster and more cost-efficient without harming the environment.

"It's going to be quick, it's going to be a very streamlined process," Trump said.

Asked about the revocation, the White House said in a statement that Obama's order didn't consider potential impacts on the economy and was "applied broadly to the whole country, leaving little room or flexibility for designers to exercise professional judgment or incorporate the particular context" of a project's location.

Obama's now-defunct order also revamped Federal Flood Risk Management Standards, calling for tighter restrictions on new construction in flood-prone areas. Republicans, including Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, opposed the measure, saying it would impede land development and economic growth.

Revoking that order was only the latest step by Trump to undo Obama's actions on climate change.

In March, Trump rescinded a 2013 order that directed federal agencies to encourage states and local communities to build new infrastructure and facilities "smarter and stronger" in anticipation of more frequent extreme weather.

Trump revoked a 2015 Obama memo directing agencies developing national security policies to consider the potential impact of climate change.

The president also disbanded two advisory groups created by Obama: the interagency Council on Climate Preparedness and Resilience and the State, Local, and Tribal Leaders Task Force on Climate Preparedness and Resilience.

Obama's 2015 order was prompted in part by concerns raised by Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper after severe flooding in his state two years earlier. Hickenlooper was dismayed to learn that federal disaster aid rules were preventing state officials from rebuilding "better and smarter than what we had built before."

The "requirements essentially said you had to build it back exactly the way it was, that you couldn't take into consideration improvements in resiliency," Hickenlooper, a Democrat, said Tuesday. "We want to be more prepared for the next event, not less prepared."

Bud Wright, the Federal Highway Administration's executive director during George W. Bush's administration, said this has long been a concern of federal officials.

He recalled a South Dakota road that was "almost perpetually flooded" but was repeatedly rebuilt to the same standard using federal aid because the state didn't have the extra money to pay for enhancements.

"It seemed a little ridiculous that we kept doing that," said Wright, now the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials' executive director.

But Kirk Steudle, director of Michigan's Department of Transportation, said states can build more resilient infrastructure than what they had before a disaster by using state or non-emergency federal funds to make up the cost difference.

"That makes sense, otherwise FEMA would be the big checkbook," he said, referring to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. "Everybody would be hoping for some disaster so FEMA could come in and build them a brand new road to the 2020 standard instead of the 1970 standard."

Even though Obama's order has been revoked, federal officials have some wiggle room that might allow them to rebuild to higher standards, said Jessica Grannis, who manages the adaptation program at the Georgetown Climate Center.

If local building codes in place before the storm call for new construction to be more resilient to flooding, then federal money can still be used to pay the additional costs.

For example, in Houston regulations require structures to be rebuilt 1 foot (30 centimeters) above the level designated for a 1-in-100-year storm. And in the wake of prior disasters, FEMA has moved to remap floodplains, setting the line for the 1-in-100-year flood higher than it was before.


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FEMA just did that for San Marcos. Process was pretty good from my end, although it appears I may now be forced to by flood insurance. Looked at their map, and it looks like their modeling didn't take into effect some of the stuff that the developer did for our neighborhood (filling up higher after FEMA did their initial LIDAR readings), so our neighborhood will appeal.

I haven't bought it voluntarily, because our current neighborhood very specifically didn't flood in 2015, which was the worst flooding in our city's history. At this point, I have reconsidered that, and will buy the insurance either way. My only concern is getting my risk priced correctly.

[RandomGuy]

And the crotch and underarms in high humidity. This is just flat out miserable. It's the skin that's covered and constantly wet.

Ouch. I had been blotting that part out, but yes, thanks for reminding me. "Crotch rot" (ugh) Been sort of planning the first trip in my head, have to keep that in mind. Probably bring along our super-awesome fan.

[RandomGuy]

They're not going to be able to rebuild anything without a lot more immigrants. If the feds don't make some new Bracero program all of southeast Texas is going to become a de facto sanctuary region.

One can hope that a lot of the well-to-do Republicans that tend to support anti-immigrant policies may change their minds when they have to hire the people they have been shitting on to help them rebuild their homes.

[Thread]

Ouch. I had been blotting that part out, but yes, thanks for reminding me. "Crotch rot" (ugh) Been sort of planning the first trip in my head, have to keep that in mind. Probably bring along our super-awesome fan.

Reminds me of when Pierce had it during the '10 Finals. That's the Finals where Artest head faked him on a drive 23+ feet from the cylinder and then snatched the life right of 'em with a howitzer from 23+ feet from cylinder.

Pierce had wooley boggers in his pits.

[Thread]

One can hope that a lot of the well-to-do Republicans that tend to support anti-immigrant policies may change their minds when they have to hire the people they have been shitting on to help them rebuild their homes.

They're illegal. No.

[RandomGuy]

Some people were too busy making memes.

How much has the Donald J. Trump Foundation donated?

How much has Donald J. Trump donated himself?

This is getting ridiculous.

That is going to be a really good question. How will our nation's billionaire leader handle his first disaster? Will Sandra Bullock give more than Golfy McVroom Vroom?

[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIabm6vVAAA19Ds.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Yeah.
Its all about skin color.

It is for DarrinS

[RandomGuy]

Anyway, enough political sniping for now. Let's get the important stuff here.

How to help victims of Harvey
Gabby KaufmanStaff Writer,Yahoo News•August 30, 2017
https://www.yahoo.com/news/help-victims-tropical-storm-harvey-212340221.html


Red Cross


Texas Gov. Greg Abbott recommended that those who want to help victims should donate to the American Red Cross, which he called a “tremendous asset.” A number of other organizations at the national, state and local levels will provide vital assistance to residents in the coming days, weeks and months.

I gave poor Darrin grief about the RC, which I don't -particularly think is effective. That was undeserved, although I still have reason to think RC could do better. Anything helps, and my apologies DS, it was uncalled for.

http://www.redcross.org/hp/harvey2

[RandomGuy]

http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/
The Salvation Army exists to meet human need wherever, whenever, and however we can.

[RandomGuy]

FWIW:

GIVE MONEY.

That is the big message that most relief professionals say.

Materials have to be stored, catalogued, sorted, and transported.

Money is vastly more flexible, as it lets organizations buy/do what they need most.

[RandomGuy]

https://secure.savethechildren.org/site/c.8rKLIXMGIpI4E/b.9534757/k.CB79/Hurricane_Harvey_Relief_Fund/apps/ka/sd/donor.asp
Hurricane Harvey Children's Relief Fund

[RandomGuy]

https://missionaries.namb.net/projects/full/hurricane-harvey-response
Southern Baptist Disaster Relief (SBDR)

[RandomGuy]

http://www.hearttoheart.org/


Heart to Heart International strengthens communities through improving health access, providing humanitarian development and administering crisis relief worldwide. We engage volunteers, collaborate with partners and deploy resources to achieve this mission.


HHI Responds to Hurricane Harvey

Heart to Heart International had a disaster response team and mobile medical unit deploy from Kansas City on Friday, August 25th to arrive in Texas ahead of the storm Hurricane Harvey. Over the last several days we have worked with local partners to identify areas of greatest need and provide medical support and aid distribution.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.samaritanspurse.org/disaster/hurricane-harvey/

Samaritan’s Purse Will Send Five Disaster Relief Units to Texas

(saw these people first hand in San Marcos, not impressed, Southern Baptists had better plans/efforts, but here they are anyway)

[RandomGuy]

http://www.texasdiaperbank.org/about-the-texas-diaper-bank/


Established by ten local United Methodist Churches in San Antonio, Texas, since 1997 the Texas Diaper Bank has been working to meet the basic needs of vulnerable babies, children with disabilities and seniors. The organization’s mission of: to address the diaper gap and its impact on individuals in crisis has led the organization to provide a continuum of basic needs services combined with educational opportunities that strengthen a family’s self-reliance.

[RandomGuy]

https://teamrubiconusa.org/


Disasters are our business. Veterans are our passion.

Team Rubicon unites the skills and experiences of military veterans with first responders to rapidly deploy emergency response teams.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.feedingtexas.org/

(state-wide food banks)



WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING

At this point in the disaster, the best form of support is financial.

Here is the contact information for all local food banks:

Houston Food Bank
832-369-9390
houstonfoodbank.org

Galveston Food Bank
409-945-4232
galvestoncountyfoodbank.org

Food Bank of the Golden Crescent (Victoria)
361-578-0591
victoriafoodbank.org
Closed Friday

Corpus Christi Food Bank
361-887-6291
foodbankcc.com

Southeast Texas Food Bank (Beaumont)
409-839-8777
setxfoodbank.org

Food Bank of the Rio Grande Valley (Pharr)
956-682-8101
foodbankrgv.com

Brazos Valley Food Bank (Bryan)
979-779-3663
bvfb.org

Central Texas Food Bank (Austin)
512-282-2111
centraltexasfoodbank.org

San Antonio Food Bank
210-337-3663
safoodbank.org

For more information on all of these food banks head to feedingtexas.org.

[baseline bum]

GMOs are simply allowing much faster tailoring of crops to specific needs. We are learning how best to do this, just as we have had learning curves for every new technology we have discovered.

At some point, the ability to modify genomes will become cheaper, and cheaper, and this technology will be "pushed down" to the local and individual levels.

What will you say when it is the individual farmer modifying their crops?

It's so funny when people complain about man made foods as if all the shit we're eating wasn't man made already. And I don't mean in that hey WTF are Twinkies made of sense, but in the sense that man made corn as we know it today, while wild corn would be almost useless as a food source.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.humanesociety.org/

https://www.spca.org/news_hurricane-harvey

[RandomGuy]

Blood:

http://www.redcross.org/hp/harvey2
http://www.carterbloodcare.org/donate-blood/
https://weareblood.org/

[RandomGuy]

Airbnb has set up an Urgent Accommodations page, allowing evacuees to find a place to stay for free with the help of those able to offer their space at no charge.


Urgent Accommodations
All service fees are waived for those affected by the disaster and checking in between August 23, 2017 and September 25, 2017.
https://www.airbnb.com/disaster/hurricaneharveyevacuees

Will probably force my kids to double up again, in order to free up a room.

[Thread]

I was right. Me.

[[[Energy Secretary Rick Perry announced Thursday that he authorized 500,000 barrels of crude oil to be drawn down from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. The reserve is made up of a complex of tanks and deeper underground storage caverns.
The move is aimed at shielding Americans from gasoline prices, which have begun to rise sharply due to a shortage of gasoline caused by refinery shutdowns. Port closures have also left refineries still operating with less access to crude oil shipments.]]]

[RandomGuy]

This message is hidden because Thread is on your ignore list.

I strongly urge this for others. Whoever is behind this account never has anything worth reading. IMO. I hate information bubbles and read things that I disagree with as a matter of habit, but at some point, a pointless troll is a pointless troll.

[Blake]

https://www.samaritanspurse.org/disaster/hurricane-harvey/

Samaritan’s Purse Will Send Five Disaster Relief Units to Texas

(saw these people first hand in San Marcos, not impressed, Southern Baptists had better plans/efforts, but here they are anyway)

Yeah, fuck no on giving to Samaritan's purse.

[Blake]

I strongly urge this for others. Whoever is behind this account never has anything worth reading. IMO. I hate information bubbles and read things that I disagree with as a matter of habit, but at some point, a pointless troll is a pointless troll.

I literally just thought this minute about seriously using it for the first time.

[Thread]

I strongly urge this for others. Whoever is behind this account never has anything worth reading. IMO. I hate information bubbles and read things that I disagree with as a matter of habit, but at some point, a pointless troll is a pointless troll.

- "No sir. You couldn't drag me away."

- "Sgt. Al Powell" - "Die Hard"

[Thread]

I literally just thought this minute about seriously using it for the first time.

Crawl, motherfucker, crawl!!!!!!!!!

[RandomGuy]

I literally just thought this minute about seriously using it for the first time.

I am much happier for not seeing it. A good mix of viewpoints is good, but at some point it gets to Cosmored levels of dumb. I don't have Cosmo on ignore, but quit trying to reason with that crazy a long time ago.

[Thread]

I am much happier for not seeing it. A good mix of viewpoints is good, but at some point it gets to Cosmored levels of dumb. I don't have Cosmo on ignore, but quit trying to reason with that crazy a long time ago.

I'll just bet you are.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, fuck no on giving to Samaritan's purse.

Graham was, for a TV preacher, a guy who walked the walk. No prosperity gospel bullshit.

He's dead now though, and his organization is staffed by people influenced by that. I think that is why they suck at relief, just like Osteen. IMO.

[vy65]

Direct personal experience with flood recovery.

You cannot stay in a stinking, moldy house with no power, temperature in the 90's and a lot of humidity. It is entirely untenable as shelter. Given the number of homes that I saw underwater that will be a LOT of housing destroyed. Once the water goes down, you need massive amounts of labor to clear out the damage. Many, many elderly people will be physically unable to do this for themselves.

I have not spoken to anyone in the city yet, merely paid attention to news. Houston does/did have a 10% vacancy rate for multifamily apartments that can absorb a good part of the need.

The rest is simply an off-the-hip estimate. Simple math suggests a massive need for shelter. A very large number like 7,600,000 means you start with a big constant, and the other factor, the unknown variable, i.e. the % of people needing shelter, does not have to be very large to mean that your ending total to be very large.

Initial official estimates tend to, in my experience, understate the magnitude of need, simply due to lack of solid information on which to base such estimates.

Nvm. Didn't read all of this.

Your math is off. The Houston MSA area is approximately 6.4million, not 7.6. Estimates have up to 40,000 homes being affected by the flood -- not all of those will be uninhabitable. However, even assuming that they are, and assuming a home holds 4 people (yes, an assumption), that's 160,000 displaced people. That's half of your 350,000 estimate. And that assumes each and every one of those homes are fucked.

A lot of the burbs got fucked. The demagraphic out there is not the elderly -- it's middle aged folks who are capable of doing work. The bigger issue is the funding and labor pool that will be necessary to rebuild those homes (if they're rebuilt at all). But I'm in the city, and the hysterical mold-induced apocalypse picture you're painting is just not correct. At all.

[vy65]

(nods)

It does have some factors going for it, yes. In that Houston has a leg up on N.O. The parts that I worry about not coming back are exactly what you correctly named here.

:tu

[illmatic]

JJ Watts fund, he's already raised over $10 mill::

https://www.youcaring.com/victimsofhurricaneharvey-915053

[vy65]

Nvm. Didn't read all of this.

Your math is off. The Houston MSA area is approximately 6.4million, not 7.6. Estimates have up to 40,000 homes being affected by the flood -- not all of those will be uninhabitable. However, even assuming that they are, and assuming a home holds 4 people (yes, an assumption), that's 160,000 displaced people. That's half of your 350,000 estimate. And that assumes each and every one of those homes are fucked.

A lot of the burbs got fucked. The demagraphic out there is not the elderly -- it's middle aged folks who are capable of doing work. The bigger issue is the funding and labor pool that will be necessary to rebuild those homes (if they're rebuilt at all). But I'm in the city, and the hysterical mold-induced apocalypse picture you're painting is just not correct. At all.

And with the rate of construction -- I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the city can accommodate a very large percentage of displaced people into multifamily apartment housing throughout the city. The challenge is going to be funding, whether from FEMA/USFG or elsewhere, to subsidize people while they get back on their feet.

[Blake]

Crawl, motherfucker, crawl!!!!!!!!!

Oh, extra exclamation points. That'll crawl me

[Blake]

Graham was, for a TV preacher, a guy who walked the walk. No prosperity gospel bullshit.

He's dead now though, and his organization is staffed by people influenced by that. I think that is why they suck at relief, just like Osteen. IMO.

Franklin Graham is running the org. He's a huge piece of shit, imo.

I think Billy is still alive. .?

[Thread]

Oh, extra exclamation points. That'll crawl me

You weren't supposed to be seeing me no more, daddy-O.

tee, hee.

[Blake]

You weren't supposed to be seeing me no more, daddy-O.

tee, hee.

I'm considering it still. I'm also lazy when it comes to changing settings here.

[Thread]

I'm considering it still. I'm also lazy when it comes to changing settings here.

I'll take that as an olive branch, Blake.

[RandomGuy]

https://ghcf.org/hurricane-relief/


After receiving an overwhelming number of inquiries from citizens and companies who want to help, Mayor Sylvester Turner has established the Hurricane Harvey Relief Fund that will accept tax-deductible flood relief donations for victims affected by the recent floods.

40% of closed businesses never re-open. Of those that do, 25% fail within a year. Cash flow crunches are often fatal, so consider this as a free market boost, for those of you so inclined.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/hurricane-harvey-relief-fund/


Summary
Hurricane Harvey has caused widespread, catastrophic flooding and damage in Texas and along the Gulf Coast. This fund will provide relief to survivors in the form of emergency supplies like food, water, and medicine in addition to longer-term recovery assistance to help residents recover and rebuild. All donations to this fund will exclusively support relief and recovery efforts from this storm.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.unitedwayhouston.org/flood/flood-donation/


UNITED WAY RELIEF FUND
We have launched the United Way Relief Fund to help meet storm-related needs and recovery in our community. 100% of your gift to the United Way Relief Fund goes to help our neighbors and our community recover from Hurricane Harvey. Thank you for your generosity.

an old standby

[RandomGuy]

https://www.homelesshouston.org/take-action/donate/


At the Coalition for the Homeless of Houston/Harris County,
we rely on the generosity of individuals like you
to help us coordinate community strategies
to prevent and end homelessness in the greater Houston area.

Probably one of the better ones at finding people housing solutions. Just my take, this may be a good "dark horse" way to give effectively.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.portlight.org/home.html


Portlight Strategies, Inc. is a 501(c)(3) organization, founded in 1997 to facilitate a variety of projects involving people with disabilities, including post-disaster relief work.

[RandomGuy]

Austin area links:

http://www.statesman.com/news/state--regional/how-help-austin-volunteers-donations-needed-for-harvey-relief/JSAsW4WKAiWchFPuVH4TkI/

[RandomGuy]

San Antonio area links:

https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2017/08/28/where-to-volunteer-donate-to-help-victims-of-hurricane-harvey

[RandomGuy]

Texas Tribune has the best list I have seen so far:

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/08/28/hurricane-harvey-relief-efforts-how-help/

[RandomGuy]

More San Antonio links:

http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/hurricane-harvey-how-you-can-help-those-in-need

[RandomGuy]

Dallas Links:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/harvey/2017/08/25/hurricane-harvey-north-texans-can-help

[RandomGuy]

Nvm. Didn't read all of this.

Your math is off. The Houston MSA area is approximately 6.4million, not 7.6. Estimates have up to 40,000 homes being affected by the flood -- not all of those will be uninhabitable. However, even assuming that they are, and assuming a home holds 4 people (yes, an assumption), that's 160,000 displaced people. That's half of your 350,000 estimate. And that assumes each and every one of those homes are fucked.

A lot of the burbs got fucked. The demagraphic out there is not the elderly -- it's middle aged folks who are capable of doing work. The bigger issue is the funding and labor pool that will be necessary to rebuild those homes (if they're rebuilt at all). But I'm in the city, and the hysterical mold-induced apocalypse picture you're painting is just not correct. At all.

I will be happy to be wrong. :)

[spurraider21]

Does Darrin have an update on black donations?

[vy65]

I will be happy to be wrong. :)

That makes two of us.

[boutons_deux]

Franklin Graham is running the org. He's a huge piece of shit, imo

Nope, fact, not opinion

[ducks]

Trump's Immigration Policies Could Hinder Harvey Rebuilding Efforts
yeah because people are not wanting to be builders is all trumps fault:ihit
maybe lack of TECH schools

The money will be there to finance reconstruction in Houston, but with a shortage of labor that existed before Harvey, will there be enough help to get the work done?

President Donald Trump's immigration policies have scared away Mexican workers long before Harvey brought a 500-year flood to Houston, NBC News reported.

[monosylab1k]

Does Darrin have an update on black donations?

:lol

[Quadzilla99]

902596087432830976

[RandomGuy]

Drivers form a human chain to save a man as floodwaters sweep away his SUV


As they waited in stalled traffic, they watched a horrifying scene unfold in front of them.
Floodwaters had picked up an elderly man's SUV and were sweeping it away.
"My heart started beating fast," Castillo said.
Without pause, the couple and dozens of other drivers jumped into the water to help.
"Somebody said, 'Let's form a chain.'"
So, they did.
Their arms linked, the drivers and passenger inched toward the SUV.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/30/us/human-chain-saves-elderly-man-trnd/index.html?sr=twCNN083017human-chain-saves-elderly-man-trnd1216PMVODtop

[RandomGuy]

This economist sees potential for 1 million jobs lost to Harvey

Just two weeks after Hurricane Katrina ripped through New Orleans in 2005, economist Cary Leahey of Decision Economics Inc. sat down and wrote a report to his clients estimating that total damages would total $125 billion, making the storm the nation’s largest natural disaster ever.

A dozen years later, Leahey’s estimate stands the test of time. In fact, the official government estimate of the cost of the storm is $125 billion in nominal terms, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or NOAA.

Leahey now thinks that the damage from Hurricane Harvey could be “mind boggling” and rival or even exceed Katrina. Estimates he has seen from some major Wall Street banks are too timid, he said.

Read: Damage from Harvey may make it fourth-worst all time

“No analyst is willing to suggest that the impact on GDP growth will be worse than 0.5% to 0.75 percentage point reduction to GDP growth,” that was the ultimate impact of Katrina, Leahey said. But he said he is leaning towards thinking the drop in GDP could well be 1% or larger.

There could be a potential one million workers dropped from payrolls in the September employment report, Leahey said. That would be four times the government’s unofficial estimate of the 230,000 lost jobs from Katrina.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/economist-who-nailed-cost-of-katrina-thinks-the-final-bill-for-harvey-could-be-larger-2017-08-30

[vy65]

By comparison, undeveloped lots in the exurbs may be seen as less attractive, both for investors and for potential transplants. If laws or norms change to take flood risk into account, that raises the cost of low-density development, making higher-density development relatively more attractive. Harvey could push Houston away from sprawl and toward a more sustainable density.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-30/houston-will-recover-but-will-it-change

Obviously not a substantive article, but I see a scenario where there's a concerted push away from suburban sprawl towards urban density. Given the consistency of flooding in Houston over the past 5 years, it's not like Sugarland or Missouri City or Cypress is going to be safer the next time a big storm hits town.

[RandomGuy]

Workers trapped by Harvey at a Mexican bakery feed a hungry Houston

https://cdn1.pri.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_main/public/story/images/Screen%20Shot%202017-08-30%20at%204.05.40%20PM.png?itok=RVR-BlR0

Jorge Agundis was baking pan dulce on the overnight shift when the first rains of Hurricane Harvey began to fall.

He says the water started to accumulate quickly — in 10 or 15 minutes.

His thoughts turned to his wife and three young children. Would they be OK? In the four days since the storm landed, the kitchen manager at Houston's El Bolillo Bakery still hasn't been able to get back to the trailer park where he lives with his family.

But Agundis has done more than worry.

Instead, he's baked. And baked. And baked.

He and two fellow employees at the Mexican bakery's Wayside branch found themselves trapped in the store on Saturday. By the time his night shift was over, the roads outside were impassable. He learned that the freeway to his family's trailer park was underwater.

That's when Agundis's children began calling his cellphone.

"My son's calling me, saying, 'Hey Daddy, where you at?'" Agundis recalls. "I'm worrying, worrying, worrying for my family."

So Agundis and his colleagues decided they'd get busy with the 4,000 pounds of flour they had on hand. They baked day and night for two days straight.

They filled every shelf in the store's kitchen.

El Bolillo owner Kirk Michaelis saw his employees' handiwork when he was finally able to rescue his staffers Monday morning.

"I was amazed," Michaelis says. "All the racks were full with bread, just stacked to the ceiling."

City officials picked up more than a thousand bakery items and distributed them to flood victims throughout the city.

Michaelis was amazed by his employees' dedication.

"Jorge said, 'Well, I couldn't think about my family because it was killing me,'" Michaelis recalls. "He has small children in that trailer, and he was afraid it was going to float away. So he just immersed himself in baking."

In fact, floodwater had risen around Agundis's family home and was about 6 inches from reaching the trailer doors. But the water stopped there.

For the past two nights, Agundis and his colleagues have been staying in Michaelis's home. Agundis isn't as worried now because he knows his family made it through the storm.

And his boss, Michaelis, says he's doing his best to unite the baker and his family.

"I have a friend on that side of town that has an airboat. If we can't get [Agundis] there by car, we'll get there by boat and get his family," Michaelis says. "They're more than welcome to come and stay with me."

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-08-30/baker-trapped-work-storm-helps-feed-hungry-houston

[RandomGuy]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-30/houston-will-recover-but-will-it-change

Obviously not a substantive article, but I see a scenario where there's a concerted push away from suburban sprawl towards urban density. Given the consistency of flooding in Houston over the past 5 years, it's not like Sugarland or Missouri City or Cypress is going to be safer the next time a big storm hits town.

Really good point. Multi-story development would make a flooding a lot less impactful squarefootage wise.

Mixed use development with retail in the bottom floor. Many places like this is Austin. That kind of development wouldn't leave people homeless if the bottom floor floods entirely.

I can see that kind of stuff going in.

https://media.atre.yardi.com/2/21047/images/Burnet-MPlaceAustin.jpg

http://www.turnerconstruction.com/Files/ProjectImage?url=%2Fsites%2Fmarketingstories%2FMar keting%20Story%20Images%2Foriginal.714e9449-0b05-4cd3-b557-92ec09fc1f5c.jpg&width=707&height=470&crop=True&jpegQuality=95

[hater]

Workers trapped by Harvey at a Mexican bakery feed a hungry Houston

https://cdn1.pri.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_main/public/story/images/Screen%20Shot%202017-08-30%20at%204.05.40%20PM.png?itok=RVR-BlR0

Jorge Agundis was baking pan dulce on the overnight shift when the first rains of Hurricane Harvey began to fall.

He says the water started to accumulate quickly — in 10 or 15 minutes.

His thoughts turned to his wife and three young children. Would they be OK? In the four days since the storm landed, the kitchen manager at Houston's El Bolillo Bakery still hasn't been able to get back to the trailer park where he lives with his family.

But Agundis has done more than worry.

Instead, he's baked. And baked. And baked.

He and two fellow employees at the Mexican bakery's Wayside branch found themselves trapped in the store on Saturday. By the time his night shift was over, the roads outside were impassable. He learned that the freeway to his family's trailer park was underwater.

That's when Agundis's children began calling his cellphone.

"My son's calling me, saying, 'Hey Daddy, where you at?'" Agundis recalls. "I'm worrying, worrying, worrying for my family."

So Agundis and his colleagues decided they'd get busy with the 4,000 pounds of flour they had on hand. They baked day and night for two days straight.

They filled every shelf in the store's kitchen.

El Bolillo owner Kirk Michaelis saw his employees' handiwork when he was finally able to rescue his staffers Monday morning.

"I was amazed," Michaelis says. "All the racks were full with bread, just stacked to the ceiling."

City officials picked up more than a thousand bakery items and distributed them to flood victims throughout the city.

Michaelis was amazed by his employees' dedication.

"Jorge said, 'Well, I couldn't think about my family because it was killing me,'" Michaelis recalls. "He has small children in that trailer, and he was afraid it was going to float away. So he just immersed himself in baking."

In fact, floodwater had risen around Agundis's family home and was about 6 inches from reaching the trailer doors. But the water stopped there.

For the past two nights, Agundis and his colleagues have been staying in Michaelis's home. Agundis isn't as worried now because he knows his family made it through the storm.

And his boss, Michaelis, says he's doing his best to unite the baker and his family.

"I have a friend on that side of town that has an airboat. If we can't get [Agundis] there by car, we'll get there by boat and get his family," Michaelis says. "They're more than welcome to come and stay with me."

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-08-30/baker-trapped-work-storm-helps-feed-hungry-houston

Not surprised tbqh

Us berracos are like that. Plus they were probably blazed as hell and had the munchies :lol

[vy65]

Really good point. Multi-story development would make a flooding a lot less impactful squarefootage wise.

Mixed use development with retail in the bottom floor. Many places like this is Austin. That kind of development wouldn't leave people homeless if the bottom floor floods entirely.

I can see that kind of stuff going in.

https://media.atre.yardi.com/2/21047/images/Burnet-MPlaceAustin.jpg

http://www.turnerconstruction.com/Files/ProjectImage?url=%2Fsites%2Fmarketingstories%2FMar keting%20Story%20Images%2Foriginal.714e9449-0b05-4cd3-b557-92ec09fc1f5c.jpg&width=707&height=470&crop=True&jpegQuality=95

:tu

That's actually the trend inside the loop. There is en explosion of mixed-use residential/commercial. Downtown, they're doing the same with mixed use parking/retail.

Part of it might be wishful thinking on my part living here, but there has been a concerted effort at increasing density inside the loop and being a more "urban" city. I don't think Houston will ever be NYC, but the one silver lining I see to Harvey is an increased push for more density closer to the city's core. It'd be more feasible if the city sucked up and paid for an L-type system along the lines of what they have in Chicago.

[RandomGuy]

US military sends warships, aircraft to Texas

Washington (CNN)With floodwaters from Tropical Storm Harvey swallowing entire Texas cities, the US military is mobilizing its resources from states across the country to help local law enforcement and civilian volunteers in the rescue effort.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has activated the entire Texas National Guard, which is made up of roughly 12,000 troops.
State, local and military rescue units have plucked thousands of stranded residents from the water and deluged homes.

On Sunday, the Defense Department and Abbott agreed to establish a "dual-status command" that would allow a single commander for both federal and state forces overseeing and coordinating the response efforts.
"It is imperative that we give our military and first responders on the ground the most efficient method of execution when responding to the urgent needs of Texans," Abbott said in a statement.
On Monday, Military surgical teams, communications teams, maintenance and other military support elements totaling more than 400 personnel were given orders to be prepared to deploy within 24 hours.
These are the military forces being sent and on standby to assist with rescue efforts:

[hater]

They need to send Tommy Lee Jones in that mofo

[RandomGuy]

Does Darrin have an update on black donations?

C1xRot35SdM

[boutons_deux]

HOUSTON'S TRUCKING LIFELINE RUMBLES BACK IN HARVEY'S
AFTERMATH

George Bush Intercontinental and Hobby Airports, which together move 55 million passengers and 442,563 metric tons of freight every year, shut down for three days, with airlines rerouting flights and waiving change fees for travelers. The airports reopened Wednesday, and traffic should begin to return to normal

Out in the Gulf of Mexico, ships delayed by the storm will make up lost time over the next few months, either by rearranging schedules or spending money to run faster.

During Harvey, ships likely skipped Houston for at least two alternate landing spots situated relatively nearby.

German shipping line Hapag-Lloyd, for example, canceled its call at Houston "for schedule recovery purposes," and will unload its cargo at the Port of Altamira in Mexico, 500 miles south. Others will likely head for Mobile, Alabama, 400 miles east.

But when it comes to supplying Houston and its 6.5 million residents the vital goods they need—bottles of water, loaves of bread, diapers— the horizon looks a little hazier.

“Roads, ports—everything’s in real trouble,” Shah says.

“Local distribution is a mess and will continue to be a mess, perhaps even impossible.”

“It reminds me of Katrina,” says John Esparza, CEO of the Texas Trucking Association. “It’s amazing how this continues to be an ongoing emergency situation.”

In the days before the storm’s arrival, FEMA hired hundreds of trucks to haul provisions like bottled water, medical supplies, meals-ready-to-eat (MREs), and tarps to San Antonio, before dispatching them to smaller staging areas in and around Houston.

As of Thursday morning, Houston transportation agency TranStar still listed 95 high water locations.

At least some stretches of each of the half-dozen major roads passing through or around Houston remained shut down.

preexisting driver shortage (http://www.logisticsmgmt.com/article/the_never_ending_truck_driver_shortage) has triggered a jump in the cost of trucking.

Urrutia says, it costs about $2.40 per mile to have someone carry a truckload of your stuff between Dallas and Houston. Right now it’s between $8 and $10 per mile. McElroy confirms the trend: “We’ve seen rates go up 350 percent on average,”

https://www.wired.com/story/hurricane-harvey-houston-trucks-resupply

[RandomGuy]

Not surprised tbqh

Us berracos are like that. Plus they were probably blazed as hell and had the munchies :lol

That is one way to ride out a hurricane.

[RandomGuy]

Where to go, what to do, and what to bring.

http://swamplot.com/the-best-way-to-find-out-which-hurricane-harvey-shelters-near-you-need-help-and-what-they-need/2017-08-29/

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21192556_1460491624029643_8475468497758648191_n.jp g?oh=a045149709c9466ccb62c5f09f1216e1&oe=5A1CB2FD

[boutons_deux]

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1676697549089959/https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1676697549089959/

[Chucho]

RG's a good man. Wishin you and everyone like you and all those in need all the best!

[Blake]

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21192556_1460491624029643_8475468497758648191_n.jp g?oh=a045149709c9466ccb62c5f09f1216e1&oe=5A1CB2FD

.... you know that's a hoax..

[boutons_deux]

.... you know that's a hoax..

my sources are impeccable, irrefutable

[leemajors]

Really good point. Multi-story development would make a flooding a lot less impactful squarefootage wise.

Mixed use development with retail in the bottom floor. Many places like this is Austin. That kind of development wouldn't leave people homeless if the bottom floor floods entirely.

I can see that kind of stuff going in.

https://media.atre.yardi.com/2/21047/images/Burnet-MPlaceAustin.jpg

http://www.turnerconstruction.com/Files/ProjectImage?url=%2Fsites%2Fmarketingstories%2FMar keting%20Story%20Images%2Foriginal.714e9449-0b05-4cd3-b557-92ec09fc1f5c.jpg&width=707&height=470&crop=True&jpegQuality=95

those things have turned burnet into a hellish drive from 4-7pm.