ESPN NBArank

[BillMc]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank76100/nbarank-players-76-100

Day 1 (100-76):

Manu: 99

Pau: 80

Day 2 (75-51):

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank5175/nbarank-players-51-75

Patty: 67

Danny: 59

Day 3 (50-31)
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank3150/nbarank-players-31-50

LMA: 45

Day 4 (30 -11)
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank1130/nbarank-players-11-30

No Spurs in this range.

UPDATE: Day 5 (10-1)

Kawhi: 3

[BatManu20]

I predict Danny will be in the 60's, LMA will be in the 20's and Kawhi top 4.

[BillMc]

I predict Danny will be in the 60's, LMA will be in the 20's, and Kawhi top 4.

Probably fair guesses.

[apalisoc_9]

Manu 99 is way too high

[Prose]

Manu 99 is way too high
I'm guessing you didn't watch the playoffs this past year

[Seventyniner]

Tony outplayed Pau last season, especially in the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the 65-75 range unless they hold his injury against him, or are overrating Pau's national team play.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm guessing you didn't watch the playoffs this past year

I did.

He was on the verge of averaging 0ppg in the first round.

[cd021]

Tony outplayed Pau last season, especially in the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the 65-75 range unless they hold his injury against him, or are overrating Pau's national team play.

I wouldn't say Parker was better in the RS but he definitely was in the PS

[cd021]

Manu 99 is way too high

About right tbh, no chance there are 100 players better than him even though he can be wildly inconsistent.

[sananspursfan21]

About right tbh, no chance there are 100 players better than him even though he can be wildly inconsistent.

I'm guessing they're factoring in his passing?

[DeRozan m8]

I'm guessing you didn't watch the playoffs this past year

Lol what

One or two good games in 3 series is not good.

We literally started threads here wondering if Manu would ever score again.

And apart from a couple of highlight reel moments, he wasn't top 100 form.

[ElNono]

Manu numbers looked better once the team's ball hogs went down, tbh...

Make sense in Kawhi's case, IMO...

[TheDoctor]

I'm guessing they're factoring in his passing?
You mean they are taking into account the live-action-super-dodge-ball-entertaining-factor w/ fans?

[Spurtacular]

Manu 99 is way too high

Obligatory anti-Manu post.

[SASdynasty!]

2017 Playoffs:

Parker: 16/3/3 on 58%
Manu: 7/2/2 on 46%

Pretty much what rational people expected.

[sananspursfan21]

You mean they are taking into account the live-action-super-dodge-ball-entertaining-factor w/ fans?

Yeah!

[dabom]

Where es Tony?

[ElNono]

Stats & Info: He's back! Though Ginobili might have lost a (Euro) step, last season proved once again that good things happen when he's on the floor; for the 14th time in 15 seasons, the Spurs were better with Ginobili in the game than with him on the bench. Of the 350-plus players who have logged at least 12,000 minutes over the past 20 years, Ginobili's net rating of +10.7 ranks first.

[Spurtacular]

2017 Playoffs:

Parker: 16/3/3 on 58%
Manu: 7/2/2 on 46%

Pretty much what rational people expected.

3 assists per game by the Spurs starting PG is about what I would have expected.

[Play Boban]

3 assists per game by the Spurs starting PG is about what I would have expected.
:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu 99 is way too high

Lol what

One or two good games in 3 series is not good.

We literally started threads here wondering if Manu would ever score again.

And apart from a couple of highlight reel moments, he wasn't top 100 form.

2017 Playoffs:

Parker: 16/3/3 on 58%
Manu: 7/2/2 on 46%

Pretty much what rational people expected.

[TheGreatYacht]

Manure ranked 99? Lmfaooooo

That would mean he'd be a team's 3rd or 4th best player. At this point he's a 11th man in a 10-man rotation. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Spurtacular]

Manure ranked 99? Lmfaooooo

That would mean he'd be a team's 3rd or 4th best player. At this point he's a 11th man in a 10-man rotation. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's never been the case, tbh. But if it were going forward, I'd give him a pass b/c he's freaking 40.

[ElNono]

4th option, after Kawhi/LMA/Gay, tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

4th option, after Kawhi/LMA/Gay, tbh
Parker, Green, Mills, Gasol, Bertans, Fathead, Fathead the second, Murray, Brandon Paul die?

[ElNono]

Parker, Green, Mills, Gasol, Bertans, Fathead, Fathead the second, Murray, Brandon Paul die?

we have two fatheads? when this did happen? :hang

[BillMc]

Forgetting the salaries or intangibles, just down to on court play, who is better these days? Manu or D-Wade? Manu is ranked higher. (Wade didn't make the list).

[dabom]

Wade is a fucking cancer nowadays. :lol

[BillMc]

Wade is a fucking cancer nowadays. :lol

I agree he is a cancer in the locker room (fighting with younger players) but how do you asses him strictly on the court?

[BillMc]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank5175/nbarank-players-51-75

Day 2:

Patty 67

Danny 59


Also, in the Patty description it mentions Tony failed to make the Top 100.

[dabom]

I see Tony is on ESPN Biggest Vaginas in the Playoffs. :lol

[dabom]

I agree he is a cancer in the locker room (fighting with younger players) but how do you asses him strictly on the court?

I don't watch him play. Dude is a role player still playing the alpha role for teams. Definitely a net negative.

[BillMc]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank5175/nbarank-players-51-75

Day 2:

Patty 67

Danny 59


Also, in the Patty description it mentions Tony failed to make the Top 100.

Patty and Danny were both castoffs when they came to the Spurs. Now if you accept this poll they are top 100 in the world. Well done development staff. Maybe they're hoping one of these low end guards were signing can blossom into a Patty or Danny.

[pad300]

Crymelo in the top 100. Would you believe these ranks are click-bait bullshit?

[apalisoc_9]

Melo at 64 is kinda ridiculous. He is one of the most overrated players ever, but if he ever finds his way to a team as a secondary option ala Team USA...He is an incredibly deadly scorer.

I can easily see him play like a top 30-40 player as a secondary scorer for a good team so 64 is somewhat ridiculous.


I guess if ESPN predictd melo to stay put in NY..i could understand 64. He is one of the worst main guys in the league. too old to be a main guy at this point.

[Horse]

About right tbh, no chance there are 100 players better than him even though he can be wildly inconsistent.

Come playoff time I'd still take Manu over the majority of the pussies in the league today.

[Dex]

Melo at 64 is kinda ridiculous. He is one of the most overrated players ever, but if he ever finds his way to a team as a secondary option ala Team USA...He is an incredibly deadly scorer.

I can easily see him play like a top 30-40 player as a secondary scorer for a good team so 64 is somewhat ridiculous.


I guess if ESPN predictd melo to stay put in NY..i could understand 64. He is one of the worst main guys in the league. too old to be a main guy at this point.

Even more whack is they have Lonzo Ball rated at 63. Dude hasn't even played a single minute of NBA basketball.

[apalisoc_9]

Even more whack is they have Lonzo Ball rated at 63. Dude hasn't even played a single minute of NBA basketball.

popularity.

[tholdren]

Even more whack is they have Lonzo Ball rated at 63. Dude hasn't even played a single minute of NBA basketball.

Again. The nba is not best players, it is sales. There will be a day when lonzo ball is the best player in the nba, not at all based on skill. If you dont believe me, just look at his even less skilled 0 iq brother who is inked at ucla. He too will be in the nba. It bout to be unwatchable

[Clipper Nation]

Stats & Info: He's back! Though Ginobili might have lost a (Euro) step, last season proved once again that good things happen when he's on the floor; for the 14th time in 15 seasons, the Spurs were better with Ginobili in the game than with him on the bench. Of the 350-plus players who have logged at least 12,000 minutes over the past 20 years, Ginobili's net rating of +10.7 ranks first.
Porker fluffers in shambles!

[Dex]

Again. The nba is not best players, it is sales. There will be a day when lonzo ball is the best player in the nba, not at all based on skill. If you dont believe me, just look at his even less skilled 0 iq brother who is inked at ucla. He too will be in the nba. It bout to be unwatchable

I guess so. I miss the days when the player's talent drove the popularity, not the other way around.

Say what you want about Lebron, but at least he lived up to the hype. I hated him when he came in the league because he was another one of those guys that they anointed before he ever accomplished anything...but his career and resume speaks for itself at this point.

[ElNono]

Where es Tony?


Also, in the Patty description it mentions Tony failed to make the Top 100.

http://i.imgur.com/V0t8iqr.gif

[Seventyniner]

Even more whack is they have Lonzo Ball rated at 63. Dude hasn't even played a single minute of NBA basketball.

At some point these rankings become more about the future than the present.

[SPURt]

You want to know a good way to turn NBA players into sobbing man children? Rank them
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/9/12/16298478/carmelo-anthony-espn-ranking-demar-derozan-sports-illustrated

At least Carmelo doesn't care because he's "his own fan". I'd still take him for LMA. Potentially LMA is a better player and a better fit for SA. He's just never going to play to his potential. There's nothing worst than watching someone phone it in every night.

[apalisoc_9]

Established Superstars usually dont care but guys in the 20-70 are usually the most butthurt abou these kind of thingsnug.

[TheGreatYacht]

Danny green ahead of Melo? Manure ahead of Parker? Lmfaoooooooo

[Mr. Body]

Melo at 64 is kinda ridiculous. He is one of the most overrated players ever, but if he ever finds his way to a team as a secondary option ala Team USA...He is an incredibly deadly scorer.

I can easily see him play like a top 30-40 player as a secondary scorer for a good team so 64 is somewhat ridiculous.


I guess if ESPN predictd melo to stay put in NY..i could understand 64. He is one of the worst main guys in the league. too old to be a main guy at this point.

Melo is a guy, like Cousins, I would never, ever want on my team. Just guaranteed to mediosuckracy for years. At least Melo seems to be a good dude on the outside and Cousins just seems to be a general asshole, but whatever. Even if that's not true, they both won't win you a meaningful game. Not a single one.

[BillMc]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank3150/nbarank-players-31-50

LMA: 45!!!!

Not sure what is worse. That 45 could be an accurate ranking (though I think low given his defense) or the possibility that LMA will check out after this sort of thing. (It could, I guess, galvanise him but pouting seems like an equally probable possibility).

[$pursDynasty]

Manu 99 is way too high
Apo SJax agrees with you he almost laughed out loud when he heard Gino was 99 and implied some people on the bottom 25, 75-100, wouldn't make a Big 3 roster. Then again Jax has always hated Manu. Funny how people say MVParker is a team cancer, but he doesn't have as vocal a detractor as Manu has in Jax, even Barry isn't this outspoken.

[TheDoctor]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank3150/nbarank-players-31-50

LMA: 45!!!!

LMA officially on suicide watch tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

Apo SJax agrees with you he almost laughed out loud when he heard Gino was 99 and implied some people on the bottom 25, 75-100, wouldn't make a Big 3 roster. Then again Jax has always hated Manu. Funny how people say MVParker is a team cancer, but he doesn't have as vocal a detractor as Manu has in Jax, even Barry isn't this outspoken.
Truth bomb

[SAGirl]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank3150/nbarank-players-31-50

LMA: 45!!!!

Not sure what is worse. That 45 could be an accurate ranking (though I think low given his defense) or the possibility that LMA will check out after this sort of thing. (It could, I guess, galvanise him but pouting seems like an equally probable possibility).
Given what I have see of his personality: cryptic messages in instagram and pouting is the likely result. He would be better off owning up to his decline and doing something about it. (Like TD did in 2011 or whenever it was that he looked old and done and instead he worked hard in the offseason and came back slimmer and better). TD was a special AllTime best player and LMA is not that. We shall see.

[Aztecfan03]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank5175/nbarank-players-51-75

Day 2:

Patty 67

Danny 59


Also, in the Patty description it mentions Tony failed to make the Top 100.

has to be because of the injury. Because no way is Manu better than Tony

[BillMc]

LMA officially on suicide watch tbh

He's already got a bad ticker. They shouldn't shock him like that.

[BillMc]

Given what I have see of his personality: cryptic messages in instagram and pouting is the likely result. He would be better off owning up to his decline and doing something about it. (Like TD did in 2011 or whenever it was that he looked old and done and instead he worked hard in the offseason and came back slimmer and better). TD was a special AllTime best player and LMA is not that. We shall see.

Can't disagree with a word you say. TD was an alltimer. Let's hope LMA rises to the occasion. :toast

[BillMc]

has to be because of the injury. Because no way is Manu better than Tony
I'm sure the injury was a major factor.

[Dex]

Say what you want about LaMarcus, him being behind guys like Middleton, Turner, and Crowder is straight horseshit. ESPN just trying to dig up controversy to give their talking heads something to talk about.

[TheDoctor]

He's already got a bad ticker. They shouldn't shock him like that.
:lol

[TD 21]

The ESPN one is always terrible. Though it appears different this year, it's usually an average based on all of their basketball "experts" opinions, which means plenty of antiquated fools weighing in. The Sports Illustrated one is much better. Two guys, both knowledgeable, well thought out and in depth.

Of course, you could always quibble with these lists, but for the most part, more important than precise placement, is range. For example, there is no definitive order Horford, Love, Millsap and Aldridge should be placed in, but they should all be ranked close to one another.

[Ice009]

Again. The nba is not best players, it is sales. There will be a day when lonzo ball is the best player in the nba, not at all based on skill. If you dont believe me, just look at his even less skilled 0 iq brother who is inked at ucla. He too will be in the nba. It bout to be unwatchable

I've heard people say that apart from the Superstars and All-stars in the NBA, the best players don't play in the NBA. So what do you guys mean by that? Is it because there is better, more solid lower ceiling guys playing overseas? The one angle I can see to that argument is that a lot of NBA teams draft on potential and a lot of time that potential doesn't work out, so in that sense, I guess I could see that "potential" player taking up a spot of someone who might be better that is not in the NBA.

Also, the other side of the coin, there is players that don't make in it the NBA, or are end of the bench guys and they go overseas where they play well and put up big numbers.

So when people say this, can you guys elaborate further. I'm interested to get more opinions on this topic.

[KDKSpurs24]

I've heard people say that apart from the Superstars and All-stars in the NBA, the best players don't play in the NBA. So what do you guys mean by that? Is it because there is better, more solid lower ceiling guys playing overseas? The one angle I can see to that argument is that a lot of NBA teams draft on potential and a lot of time that potential doesn't work out, so in that sense, I guess I could see that "potential" player taking up a spot of someone who might be better that is not in the NBA.

Also, the other side of the coin, there is players that don't make in it the NBA, or are end of the bench guys and they go overseas where they play well and put up big numbers.

So when people say this, can you guys elaborate further. I'm interested to get more opinions on this topic.
Nah he's just wrong.

[tholdren]

Nah he's just wrong.

I dont ever remember anyone who regularly shoots airball halfcourt shots getting a d1 ride...? Aau rules the college and now nba circuit and go next level for oohhh ahh plays not skill. Its a fact and why the nba is so pathetic during this current era

[DMC]

I get all this but does ESPN think Manu is a white nationalist or some FARC member? What's their political stance? That's what we really need to know.

[KDKSpurs24]

I dont ever remember anyone who regularly shoots airball halfcourt shots getting a d1 ride...? Aau rules the college and now nba circuit and go next level for oohhh ahh plays not skill. Its a fact and why the nba is so pathetic during this current era
But if he's not good enough when he gets on the college level NBA teams won't draft that guy. There's been a ton of guys who were doing that who never made it. A lot of guys who were unknown usually comes out of nowhere and improve to be the starts sometimes (look at our star).

I look at film from back then and I don't see them being as strong and as good as the players in the league now. Yeah some of the stars back then were better but you'll have greats in all eras. Even Charles Barkley himself said you had guys in his era that just wanted a paycheck. You have that every era. But the advanced training access and faster travel and such allows these guys to get stronger and better than they used to be. They're more talented BECAUSE people paved the way. That's just how things go. A lot of y'all want to trash today's league. But it's only because you're looking for someone extremely spectacular like how someone was able to stand out in the old days. But that just won't happen because with the advances in media the world is much smaller and it makes the players seem smaller as well. I have more but I'm gonna stop here. Just how I feel. You can have your opinion but don't just let it be filled with hating on these guys who are the best players in the world.

[BillMc]

Here's 30- 11. No Spurs involved.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank1130/nbarank-players-11-30

[BillMc]

Is DeAndre Jordan REALLY significantly better than LMA? I mean LMA's defense has improved considerably and at least LaMarcus can be on the floor in the final minutes, not a free throw joke...

Not so much a defense of LMA as a bashing of DeAndre. :lol

[BillMc]

Dary 5: 10 -1
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank110/nbarank-players-1-10

Kawhi 3

[spurs10]

Of course what sucks is one team has four of the top 20 players in a league of 30 teams. Is this the infamous 'parity' we have been hearing so much about?

[tbdog]

Did they put Draymond green as top 30? Are you serious? The guy is at maximum a third piece in nearly every playoff team.

[Spurtacular]

Did they put Draymond green as top 30? Are you serious? The guy is at maximum a third piece in nearly every playoff team.

Would you trade Aldridge for Donkey?

[Spurtacular]

UPDATE: Day 5 (10-1)

Kawhi: 3



Everyday Cuck Network wasn't gonna put Kawhi top 2 or even 1 where he obviously belongs.

[BillMc]

Of course what sucks is one team has four of the top 20 players in a league of 30 teams. Is this the infamous 'parity' we have been hearing so much about?
Truth

[BillMc]

Everyday Cuck Network wasn't gonna put Kawhi top 2 or even 1 where he obviously belongs.

Yep. He was pretty much considered the best 2 way player until the Finals, then the Duran/LeBron hype machine kicked in. But to the victor goes the spoils... Thanks Zaza...

[tholdren]

But if he's not good enough when he gets on the college level NBA teams won't draft that guy. There's been a ton of guys who were doing that who never made it. A lot of guys who were unknown usually comes out of nowhere and improve to be the starts sometimes (look at our star).

I look at film from back then and I don't see them being as strong and as good as the players in the league now. Yeah some of the stars back then were better but you'll have greats in all eras. Even Charles Barkley himself said you had guys in his era that just wanted a paycheck. You have that every era. But the advanced training access and faster travel and such allows these guys to get stronger and better than they used to be. They're more talented BECAUSE people paved the way. That's just how things go. A lot of y'all want to trash today's league. But it's only because you're looking for someone extremely spectacular like how someone was able to stand out in the old days. But that just won't happen because with the advances in media the world is much smaller and it makes the players seem smaller as well. I have more but I'm gonna stop here. Just how I feel. You can have your opinion but don't just let it be filled with hating on these guys who are the best players in the world.

You have pgs in todays era who cant dribble the ball up the court being pressured, you have bigs with no post game, and rarley a sg with mid range. You have virtually every player traveling with each touch, and fouls which allow offensive players to look better than they are. These are not the best players in the world, these are players in a hyper media sales league making you and others look dumb for thinking they are the "most skilled"... your post proves this,

[KDKSpurs24]

You have pgs in todays era who cant dribble the ball up the court being pressured, you have bigs with no post game, and rarley a sg with mid range. You have virtually every player traveling with each touch, and fouls which allow offensive players to look better than they are. These are not the best players in the world, these are players in a hyper media sales league making you and others look dumb for thinking they are the "most skilled"... your post proves this,
These players would walk on any pickup court and dominate. Everybody carries the ball and travel at some point. If you don't think you do that then you're delusional. You know why you think you or non NBA players don't do that? Because you don't have a damn camera (plus slow motion camera)on you all of the time to show it. And I really think you're only thinking about Murray when he couldn't get the court up in his first game against Beverly in the playoffs. First of all he's a damn rookie against a great defender plus he's tall and hasn't learned to tighten up his drivble yet but he will learn. It's just like when football players (running backs) run too high instead of getting low. Eventually if taught properly they will learn to change it. I watched old film of Bob Cousy dribbling the ball up the damn court while looking at it the whole time and guys couldn't even take it away. You really think that would work now? Gtfoh.

And don't talk about the post game. Players just don't grow up learning it anymore as much. The game has changed. Everybody didn't have a damn post game back then either.. Mutombo didn't. I haven't seen much film but I doubt Bill Russell had one either. A lot of guard and combo players get the ball more now. Kids grew up watching Kobe and Jordan and Lebron so that's just how they wanted to play the game. That's how eras go. And it won't change until some cool new player brings back the post game style. That's just how things go. It's common sense. Kids imitate who they idolize. The mid range has changed because the 3 ball gets you more points and it's more cool and satisfying. Simple as that.

[tholdren]

These players would walk on any pickup court and dominate. Everybody carries the ball and travel at some point. If you don't think you do that then you're delusional. You know why you think you or non NBA players don't do that? Because you don't have a damn camera (plus slow motion camera)on you all of the time to show it. And I really think you're only thinking about Murray when he couldn't get the court up in his first game against Beverly in the playoffs. First of all he's a damn rookie against a great defender plus he's tall and hasn't learned to tighten up his drivble yet but he will learn. It's just like when football players (running backs) run too high instead of getting low. Eventually if taught properly they will learn to change it. I watched old film of Bob Cousy dribbling the ball up the damn court while looking at it the whole time and guys couldn't even take it away. You really think that would work now? Gtfoh.

And don't talk about the post game. Players just don't grow up learning it anymore as much. The game has changed. Everybody didn't have a damn post game back then either.. Mutombo didn't. I haven't seen much film but I doubt Bill Russell had one either. A lot of guard and combo players get the ball more now. Kids grew up watching Kobe and Jordan and Lebron so that's just how they wanted to play the game. That's how eras go. And it won't change until some cool new player brings back the post game style. That's just how things go. It's common sense. Kids imitate who they idolize. The mid range has changed because the 3 ball gets you more points and it's more cool and satisfying. Simple as that.

You proved my point when you agreed that everyone travels, then summed it up when you said people shoot more 3s cause its cool.... todays nba players are basically shit, and ive seen them play pickup and tournament games off season, astonisbingly they didnt dominate, but probably because they werent playing hard...

[KDKSpurs24]

You proved my point when you agreed that everyone travels, then summed it up when you said people shoot more 3s cause its cool.... todays nba players are basically shit, and ive seen them play pickup and tournament games off season, astonisbingly they didnt dominate, but probably because they werent playing hard...
It's not like I'm saying they travel all of the time. It just happens occasionally to players but since it's on camera everyone puts so much emphasis on it. And yeah so what? Why not doing something you like doing if you find it cool? And exactly because they have jobs and can't risk being hurt but if someone was talking shit to them and they decided to play hard they dominate.

They're not shit. Watch old film and see how uncoordinated some of those guys look.

[TD 21]

Of course what sucks is one team has four of the top 20 players in a league of 30 teams. Is this the infamous 'parity' we have been hearing so much about?

:lmao At Thompson being ranked in the top 20. He's the most overrated player I can remember in the 20 years I've followed the league, a glorified role player who's got the cushiest job of all time for a supposed star. On most teams, he'd be exposed as nothing more than a better offense, worse defense version of Danny Green.

Aldridge, as underwhelming as he was and as much criticism as he received, still outpaced Thompson in most significant advanced stats.

They've tried to dissuade the best players from congregating, but they can't literally stop them if they're determined enough. Even before this trend, they never had parity because it's not possible in a sport with 5 players per team playing at once, more possessions/scoring chances than any other and no goaltender/pitcher to serve as an equalizer of sorts. Superior talent is almost always going to win out.

[tbdog]

Would you trade Aldridge for Donkey?

Because he is younger, perhaps. But for one year, no. Green is a third piece, not a second.

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao At Thompson being ranked in the top 20. He's the most overrated player I can remember in the 20 years I've followed the league, a glorified role player who's got the cushiest job of all time for a supposed star. On most teams, he'd be exposed as nothing more than a better offense, worse defense version of Danny Green.

Aldridge, as underwhelming as he was and as much criticism as he received, still outpaced Thompson in most significant advanced stats.

They've tried to dissuade the best players from congregating, but they can't literally stop them if they're determined enough. Even before this trend, they never had parity because it's not possible in a sport with 5 players per team playing at once, more possessions/scoring chances than any other and no goaltender/pitcher to serve as an equalizer of sorts. Superior talent is almost always going to win out.

where you rank him among second third tier wings?

I got

Butler
George
Hayward
Ante
Melodrama
Derozan
Klay...

dont think he is more valuable than dollar dame either.

Man Melo as a second option is a scary idea. When AI was playing like the main guy back in Denver Melo was so hard to stop.

Team USA too...

just a ridiculosy all time great Off the catch shooter and attacker. Really scared to see him in a houston uniform.

[tholdren]

where you rank him among second third tier wings?

I got

Butler
George
Hayward
Ante
Melodrama
Derozan
Klay...

dont think he is more valuable than dollar dame either.

Man Melo as a second option is a scary idea. When AI was playing like the main guy back in Denver Melo was so hard to stop.

Team USA too...

just a ridiculosy all time great Off the catch shooter and attacker. Really scared to see him in a houston uniform.

Lol melo... jesus

[apalisoc_9]

Lol melo... jesus

melo is overrated but have you seen 3 or 4 players in the last 10 years that have the combination of all-time attacking and shooting combo as melo? Hes the perfect second guy for any team.

His days with iverson when he would catch the ball of the drive..he was unstoppable because hes great shooter, mid range shooter and off the catch shooter.

Team USA is an even bigger example.

Melo thrives in that kind of a role and if he finds himself in houston hes going to have some sort or resurgency in his career.

[SAGirl]

I think Melo has now gone from formerly overrated to underrated. He has taken a beating in the media from losing so much in NYC and then Phil sabotaged his image on purpose. Sure, he's not the perfect player , not an MVP candidate an His flaws have been exposed but what he brings offensively is now completely discounted to the point a bunch of rookies who haven't played a single NBA game are ranked higher than him in these so called rankings (all hype). It's gone too far I think. Just like Lamarcus even with all his faults is now underrated if he's ranked so low.

[Spurtacular]

Because he is younger, perhaps. But for one year, no. Green is a third piece, not a second.

You'd take him; so, he is a second piece even for a team like the Spurs. That shows Green is probably top 30 or 40. I don't know where ESPN put him; haven't seen the list. SI put him as 10, and that's pretty silly though.

[TD 21]

where you rank him among second third tier wings?

I got

Butler
George
Hayward
Ante
Melodrama
Derozan
Klay...

dont think he is more valuable than dollar dame either.

Man Melo as a second option is a scary idea. When AI was playing like the main guy back in Denver Melo was so hard to stop.

Team USA too...

just a ridiculosy all time great Off the catch shooter and attacker. Really scared to see him in a houston uniform.

He's clearly bottom 2. DeRozan is right up there with Westbrook on my most unwatchable list and Thompson's 3 and (overrated) D game is obviously a cleaner fit on most teams, so I'd rather have him, but they're comparable players.

Never been a fan, but even in decline, Anthony would be ridiculous offensively on Rockets or anywhere where he could be relegated to catch and shoot stretch PF. ESPN rating him at 64 is silly and indicative of how poor their list always is.

[Spurtacular]

The NBA's elevation of the 6'1" to 6'5" player was inevitably going to make lists like this leave one's head shaking.

[wildbill2u]

The slot between 11 and 30 is what will hurt us. IN a league where you need 3 stars to compete at the highest level, we will need that slot filled. Or maybe two in the 30-50 area.