PROOF: Flu shots are the greatest medical fraud in the history of the world

[ducks]

https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-09-16-proof-flu-shuts-are-the-greatest-medical-fraud-in-the-history-of-the-world.html

[spurraider21]

:lol Natural news

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http://yournewswire.com/trump-flu-shot-scam/
The flu shot is the greatest scam in medical history, created by Big Pharma to make money off vulnerable people and make them sick, warns President

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http://aging.dhr.georgia.gov/sites/aging.georgia.gov/files/imported/DHR-DAS/DHR-DAS_GeorgiaCares/Flu%20Shot%20Fraud05_06.pdf

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http://guardianlv.com/2013/02/are-flu-shots-a-scam/

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http://www.snopes.com/facebook-posts-warn-against-getting-the-flu-shot/

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https://www.intellihub.com/flu-shots-greatest-medical-fraud-history/

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http://yournewswire.com/johns-hopkins-scientist-reveals-shocking-report-on-flu-vaccines/

[pgardn]

http://i68.tinypic.com/104gbck.jpg

Not all ducks think the same.

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http://www.newsifi.com/health/proof-flu-shots-are-the-greatest-medical-fraud.htm

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http://mathiasconsulting.com/cases/2005/11/TX/flushot

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http://abundanthope.net/pages/Health_and_Nutrition_37/vaccine-Why-flu-shots-are-the-greatest-medical-fraud-in-history.shtml

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http://humansarefree.com/2016/10/why-flu-shots-are-greatest-medical.html?m=0

[pgardn]

All complete BS.

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http://improvedaging.com/flu-shot-medical-fraud/

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http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/healthy-people-who-were-vaccinated-for-the-flu-continue-to-die/

Healthy People Who Were Vaccinated for the Flu Continue to Die

[pgardn]

Ducks.

Please go to Africa and South America without getting any vaccines.
Then go to the poorest places in the world and drink the water like the general populace.

[ducks]

If I do not go there do I need shots?
If I do not they should tell people that

[pgardn]

If I do not go there do I need shots?

http://i63.tinypic.com/scs2n7.jpg


Vaccines don't work. They are unhealthy. Test it for us.

[DMC]

I've never had a flu shot in my entire life. Never.

Never had the flu either.

[ducks]

If they worked why do people still get sick here

[pgardn]

I've never had a flu shot in my entire life. Never.

Never had the flu either.

Never had a flu shot.
Never had the flu either.

But I can be a carrier and I'm on planes quite a bit.
So I now get the shots. Still have never had the flu.
Symptoms differ. You and I are lucky.

[pgardn]

If they worked why do people still get sick here

Because its still difficult to predict exactly which antigens each year's flu waves will be carrying.

[DMC]

Never had a flu shot.
Never had the flu either.

But I can be a carrier and I'm on planes quite a bit.
So I now get the shots. Still have never had the flu.
Symptoms differ. You and I are lucky.

I'm not getting a shot just in case I am a carrier of the flu.

[ducks]

How many people die having the flu ?
It very unlucky you die from it and it is not that bad either.
I choice no shot and if get it and feel bad a couple days oh well
Side effects worse and several types of it and shots do not cover them all

[pgardn]

I'm not getting a shot just in case I am a carrier of the flu.

Yep.

Thats not a surprise.

[DMC]

If they worked why do people still get sick here

There are many strains of the flu virus. The shot doesn't cover them all.

The shot is supposed to lessen your symptoms, especially for people who go overboard with symptoms. I know people all around me who get a shot every year, and every year they have the flu. If I was prone to get it, I would investigate the shot but right now it's like Bob Ross putting that big fucking tree right in the middle of a perfectly good mountain scene - don't fix what ain't broken.

[DMC]

How many people die having the flu ?
It very unlucky you die from it and it is not that bad either.
I choice no shot and if get it and feel bad a couple days oh well
Side effects worse and several types of it and shots do not cover them all

It's not the flu itself as much as the damage it does to your kidneys and other organs. Long term it can be very dangerous, and pneumonia can develop and suddenly you're pumping antibiotics into your system left and right, trying to get ahead of it. None of that is good, best to just avoid it.

[DMC]

Yep.

Thats not a surprise.

What I mean is that risk isn't enough to move me to risk the repercussions of getting the shot.

Do you wear a face mask on planes? Do you wear latex gloves as well? If not, you're not doing enough to protect other people from things you could be carrying.

[pgardn]

How many people die having the flu ?
It very unlucky you die from it and it is not that bad either.
I choice no shot and if get it and feel bad a couple days oh well
Side effects worse and several types of it and shots do not cover them all

Many die from the flu.
If the flu had the same symptoms as Ebola or small box people would rush to get the vaccine. But the flu just makes you feel achy, fever, weakness, lungs start to go bad. Pneumonia and such take over. Dead. It's not an "scary" disease. But it kills.

So ducks it's all good. Let people like me protect you. I like ducks.

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http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2010/08/26/129456941/annual-flu-death-average-fluctuates-depending-on-how-you-slice-it

They do not even know they just guess

[pgardn]

What I mean is that risk isn't enough to move me to risk the repercussions of getting the shot.

Do you wear a face mask on planes? Do you wear latex gloves as well? If not, you're not doing enough to protect other people from things you could be carrying.

Yes if I'm sick with a cold I do. But I know I have it.
What other things would I be carrying that is very very common, kill lots of people, and show no symptoms in some because it infects so many?

Answer, cold viruses.

Pretty damn pitiful argument frankly.
Herd immunity is most important in widespread diseases. The flu is the most widespread viral disease along with colds but it kills people.

[ducks]

Flu Deaths Around the World
Worldwide there are between 250,000 and 500,000 flu deaths per year. In a typical flu season, between 3 and 5 million people will have what is considered a serious case of influenza.

2016 date
https://www.verywell.com/flu-deaths-per-year-770503

[DMC]

Yes if I'm sick with a cold I do. But I know I have it.
What other things would I be carrying that is very very common, kill lots of people, and show no symptoms in some because it infects so many?

Answer, cold viruses.

Pretty damn pitiful argument frankly.
Herd immunity is most important in widespread diseases. The flu is the most widespread viral disease along with colds but it kills people.

Then you need to stop flying, you're killing innocent people.

[pgardn]

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2010/08/26/129456941/annual-flu-death-average-fluctuates-depending-on-how-you-slice-it

They do not even know they just guess

No its more than a guess because it usually has a start in other countries and also can show some cyclical behavior.

[spurraider21]

Ive never gotten a flu shot either

But lol Natural news and that abortion of links ducks put up

[pgardn]

Then you need to stop flying, you're killing innocent people.

How exactly? What disease is this prevalent that is easily transmissible, world wide, and kills people.
Let me know Dr. D

Im just not into using other people's good health because they protect themselves properly as a buffer.

[DMC]

How exactly? What disease is this prevalent that is easily transmissible, world wide, and kills people.
Let me know Dr. D

Im just not into using other people's good health because they protect themselves properly as a buffer.

So to what end exactly? Do you wear a face mask at concerts? How about in a restaurant or theater? Is it just flying?

If you have a cold, you're sick already. I don't get sick, not like that.

[pgardn]

Flu Deaths Around the World
Worldwide there are between 250,000 and 500,000 flu deaths per year. In a typical flu season, between 3 and 5 million people will have what is considered a serious case of influenza.

2016 date


https://www.verywell.com/flu-deaths-per-year-770503

Its the most prevalent transmissible (person to person) disease in the world that's a killer.
And those numbers are bad and highly variable year to year. Some strains have a much larger % of deaths.

[pgardn]

So to what end exactly? Do you wear a face mask at concerts? How about in a restaurant or theater? Is it just flying?

If you have a cold, you're sick already. I don't get sick, not like that.

Think about it.

Where are you tightly enclosed using recycled air with large numbers of people in which the craft you are sitting in has previously had people from all over everywhere sitting in it?
Are you trying to be especially stupid tonight?

[ducks]

So what strain of flu shot did you get?

[DMC]

Think about it.

Where are you tightly enclosed using recycled air with large numbers of people in which the craft you are sitting in has previously had people from all over everywhere sitting in it?
Are you trying to be especially stupid tonight?

Why does it matter if they are from "all over everywhere"? 130 people are 130 people. Any of them can have the flu. Since I take over 30 flights a year and have for 15 or more years, I'd say it's not really an issue, not for me.

[pgardn]

So what strain of flu shot did you get?

I get the quadravalent.

I have no idea what antigens have been selected this year but I can find out if you would like.
Im trusting people who know a lot more about which antigens to use as I am not in this particular field, it's not my life's work.

[DMC]

So what strain of flu shot did you get?

There's a yearly strain that's used to create the shot. Sometimes they miss the actual strain.

[ducks]

Would you favor making it a law thatyou must get it

[ducks]

There's a yearly strain that's used to create the shot. Sometimes they miss the actual strain.

That makes it great you got it
That is why I do not get it

[pgardn]

Why does it matter if they are from "all over everywhere"? 130 people are 130 people. Any of them can have the flu. Since I take over 30 flights a year and have for 15 or more years, I'd say it's not really an issue, not for me.

You really need to stop.

Are you fckn kidding? What difference does it make if people are highly mobile in the spread of transmissible disease?
Its interesting there are only 130 people in the airports you land in. I've been in some very small ones, but had to be in big ones to get to the small ones.

And yeah, it's apparent it's not an issue for you.
Its my choice. I've never had the flu.

[DMC]

Would you favor making it a law thatyou must get it

No since it's not an inoculation, but I am all for inoculations. I don't think anyone should be allowed to opt out of those if you want to live in the US with the rest of us.

[DMC]

You really need to stop.

Are you fckn kidding? What difference does it make if people are highly mobile in the spread of transmissible disease?
Its interesting there are only 130 people in the airports you land in. I've been in some very small ones, but had to be in big ones to get to the small ones.

And yeah, it's apparent it's not an issue for you.
Its my choice. I've never had the flu.
The airplane only recycles about half its air. Even that is filtered. The germs are on tray tables and that overhead vent knob that never gets cleaned. You have to close your tray tables, not clean them. You adjust the air, you don't clean the vent (neither do they). I clean my tray table and my vent with wipes. I don't touch door handles if I can avoid it. When I eat a urinal mint, it has to be relatively fresh. People get sick from the fact they are travelling, they are tired and they are exposed to climate conditions they aren't accustomed to.

How are people sitting on a plane more mobile than people sitting at a concert or a sporting event? I get it they are moving through the air much faster, but they are personally not more mobile and a moving plane doesn't necessarily collect disease.

130 on the plane, dipshit, unless you think the airport recycles all it's air and is a "tube".

There are more than 130 at HEB. Oh noes! I better get my surgical mask!

[ducks]

Do you think I should eat healthy also so I am less likely to get sick
Make sure I do get plenty of rest and exercise

[DMC]

Do you think I should eat healthy also so I am less likely to get sick
Make sure I do get plenty of rest and exercise

You should. I don't think you should be forced to. People who don't get inoculated put the rest of us in danger. I think you should be allowed to live how you want, on your own island, not doing any business with the rest of the world. In society however, there are some trade-offs, and one of them is that you get inoculated.

[ducks]

I am one heathy guy

[pgardn]

The airplane only recycles about half its air. Even that is filtered. The germs are on tray tables and that overhead vent knob that never gets cleaned. You have to close your tray tables, not clean them. You adjust the air, you don't clean the vent (neither do they). I clean my tray table and my vent with wipes. I don't touch door handles if I can avoid it. When I eat a urinal mint, it has to be relatively fresh. People get sick from the fact they are travelling, they are tired and they are exposed to climate conditions they aren't accustomed to.

How are people sitting on a plane more mobile than people sitting at a concert or a sporting event? I get it they are moving through the air much faster, but they are personally not more mobile and a moving plane doesn't necessarily collect disease.

130 on the plane, dipshit, unless you think the airport recycles all it's air and is a "tube".

There are more than 130 at HEB. Oh noes! I better get my surgical mask!

You are insufferable.

Mobile...???

Mobile as they have been to many places in the country/world and then are concentrated into planes and airports. When you go to many different places you are more likely exposed to different pathogens. Seriously? Are you drinking? Airports with 130 people... HEB? HEB? Omg, my neighbor's from San Antonio... And hell yes there are HEBs that have as much people traffic as OHare... Man I have seen these HEBs that span 80 square miles like Denver airport.

Honest to God .... Just stop.

[pgardn]

I am one heathy guy

Not in the head.

But you are not alone apparently.

[DarrinS]

I don't get them and don't get the flu. Just lucky, I guess.

[pgardn]

I don't get them and don't get the flu. Just lucky, I guess.

Most likely you are like me.
You get the flu, you just have very mild symptoms so it's not even an issue. As you and I age, good luck.

[ducks]

I know people who get all shots
Their family is always sick

[tlongII]

I always get a flu shot. It's important as you get older. It's not about preventing the flu, it's about minimizing the symptoms.

[pgardn]

I always get a flu shot. It's important as you get older. It's not about preventing the flu, it's about minimizing the symptoms.

Of course it's not about spreading the disease to others... for you, ducks and DMC.
All these whacked out statements are perfectly understandable for people who think about small numbers, the number(s) being 1. Me, myself and I. sorry, that's 3. If you have ever been responsible for how things work in populations or large numbers of people, things like the flu might make sense to you.

Its the return to the same theme, the individual and the society. You won't ever need to apply to a job in which questions about volunteer work will be important. It's all good.

Are you gonna make sure your grandkids get immunized? It's very important for youngsters as well.

[DMC]

Of course it's not about spreading the disease to others... for you, ducks and DMC.
All these whacked out statements are perfectly understandable for people who think about small numbers, the number(s) being 1. Me, myself and I. sorry, that's 3. If you have ever been responsible for how things work in populations or large numbers of people, things like the flu might make sense to you.

Its the return to the same theme, the individual and the society. You won't ever need to apply to a job in which questions about volunteer work will be important. It's all good.

Are you gonna make sure your grandkids get immunized? It's very important for youngsters as well.
You're melting down completely over a flu shot.

[DMC]

You are insufferable.

Mobile...???

Mobile as they have been to many places in the country/world and then are concentrated into planes and airports. When you go to many different places you are more likely exposed to different pathogens. Seriously? Are you drinking? Airports with 130 people... HEB? HEB? Omg, my neighbor's from San Antonio... And hell yes there are HEBs that have as much people traffic as OHare... Man I have seen these HEBs that span 80 square miles like Denver airport.

Honest to God .... Just stop.

So you come into contact with everybody at O'Hare Airport?

But you are right, I won't ever have to apply for a job where l have to give my services away and I'm not going to White Knight my way around to make myself feel better about making no money.

[spurraider21]

http://www.snopes.com/facebook-posts-warn-against-getting-the-flu-shot/
Did you read this, ducks?

[tlongII]

Of course it's not about spreading the disease to others... for you, ducks and DMC.
All these whacked out statements are perfectly understandable for people who think about small numbers, the number(s) being 1. Me, myself and I. sorry, that's 3. If you have ever been responsible for how things work in populations or large numbers of people, things like the flu might make sense to you.

Its the return to the same theme, the individual and the society. You won't ever need to apply to a job in which questions about volunteer work will be important. It's all good.

Are you gonna make sure your grandkids get immunized? It's very important for youngsters as well.

Flu shots don't spread the disease to others. The virus is dead in the inoculation.

[pgardn]

You're melting down completely over a flu shot.

Yeah im melting down because you completely and utterly missed the point...

"I know airplanes travel fast thru the air but your are not moving around in them" ? WTF? Viruses at 20,000 feet packed in the air column:) It's funny.

You seriously missed the boat.
I already said it makes sense YOU don't want a flu shot.
Then you decided to go ahead and made a fool of yourself.
I told you to stop. Twice. I tried to prevent you from dropping an anvil on your head.

[pgardn]

Flu shots don't spread the disease to others. The virus is dead in the inoculation.

No shit. They said they don't get the flu or the flu shot and you said you don't care about spreading it, you get the shot to protect yourself. Well you inadvertently protected others when YOU got the shot. Sorry about that horrible side affect.

Jesus Christ.... The conservatives on this board and simple science...

[tlongII]

No shit. They said they don't get the flu or the flu shot and you said you don't care about spreading it, you get the shot to protect yourself. Well you inadvertently protected others when YOU got the shot. Sorry about that horrible side affect.

Jesus Christ.... The conservatives on this board and simple science...

What the fuck are you talking about? I never said I don't care about spreading it. That's one of the reasons I get the shot.

[pgardn]

So you come into contact with everybody at O'Hare Airport?

But you are right, I won't ever have to apply for a job where l have to give my services away and I'm not going to White Knight my way around to make myself feel better about making no money.

Just keep going then.
Sure, I come into contact with EVERYONE at OHare. Yes, that's exactly what I stated.

You still don't get it. Highly mobile Mass Transportation has no effect on the spreading of transmissible diseases. It's just that people get tired on air planes. Damn jet lag...

Good lord...

[Spurminator]

Since we're basing our entire worldviews on anecdotal personal evidence, I get a flu shot every year.

A couple of years ago, I skipped it. I got the flu that year.

That's my valuable scientific contribution to the discussion.

[pgardn]

I always get a flu shot. It's important as you get older. It's not about preventing the flu, it's about minimizing the symptoms.

After reading my posts about spreading it.

But yeah you never said this like the others.

It's a choice. I get that. I just find it interesting that when one knows he could easily be a carrier the thought concerning being a part of herd immunity never enters into their choice. DMC has his guns to worry about in order to protect those 1st amendment rights. The real logical stuff must be taken on first. Then we worry about concentrated flu viruses floating packed in the air at high altitudes and not letting the damn things in...

[DMC]

Yeah im melting down because you completely and utterly missed the point...

"I know airplanes travel fast thru the air but your are not moving around in them" ? WTF? Viruses at 20,000 feet packed in the air column:) It's funny.

You seriously missed the boat.
I already said it makes sense YOU don't want a flu shot.
Then you decided to go ahead and made a fool of yourself.
I told you to stop. Twice. I tried to prevent you from dropping an anvil on your head.

Deflection. You lost your mind because someone doesn't wanna get a flu shot. You jumped on your white horse and pretended that you're more interested in saving the world than the average person.

[Pavlov]

Since we're basing our entire worldviews on anecdotal personal evidence, I get a flu shot every year.

A couple of years ago, I skipped it. I got the flu that year.

That's my valuable scientific contribution to the discussion.You don't own enough guns.

[pgardn]

Deflection. You lost your mind because someone doesn't wanna get a flu shot. You jumped on your white horse and pretended that you're more interested in saving the world than the average person.

Sure. I told you why I get the flu shot even though I don't get the flu.
You thought it was ridiculous and tried to present perfectly silly circumstances on why I was foolish.

Then you outed yourself with this HEB, mobile people on planes, bizarre mixup.
Told you to stop.

There ya go.
Its not the first time you have tried to work your way out of foolishness.
I usually don't comment on it. But you are determined to extricate yourself from an ever growing ball of yarn.
So. Don't stop. And go and claim the Fuzz man plays this game. No shame.

[DMC]

Since we're basing our entire worldviews on anecdotal personal evidence, I get a flu shot every year.

A couple of years ago, I skipped it. I got the flu that year.

That's my valuable scientific contribution to the discussion.

You probably have HIV.

[DMC]

Sure. I told you why I get the flu shot even though I don't get the flu.
You thought it was ridiculous and tried to present perfectly silly circumstances on why I was foolish.

Then you outed yourself with this HEB, mobile people on planes, bizarre mixup.
Told you to stop.

There ya go.
Its not the first time you have tried to work your way out of foolishness.
I usually don't comment on it. But you are determined to extricate yourself from an ever growing ball of yarn.
So. Don't stop. And go and claim the Fuzz man plays this game. No shame.

You said "I'm not surprised", because your liberal high horse showed up and you had to mount it.

A large group of people can be from anywhere at all. Whether you meet them in a store or in an airport, you're around people you know nothing about. If your immune system is compromised, you'll get sick just picking your kid up from daycare.

You get your flu shot and save the world. There's a reason everyone can get a flu shot.

Maybe you carry a different strain of flu. You should stay home.

[Frank Dux]

About the author of the Natural News article, Mike Adams:

"Adams is a person of color whose ancestors include Africans and American Indians."

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/files/2015/03/Mike-Adams.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Why does it matter if they are from "all over everywhere"? 130 people are 130 people. Any of them can have the flu. Since I take over 30 flights a year and have for 15 or more years, I'd say it's not really an issue, not for me.

(spins the cylander, closes revolver)

I've pulled the trigger plenty of times, and the gun has never gone off...

[SnakeBoy]

Never had a flu shot.
Never had the flu either.

But I can be a carrier and I'm on planes quite a bit.
So I now get the shots. Still have never had the flu.
Symptoms differ. You and I are lucky.

You can't be a carrier of influenza without having it.

[RandomGuy]

You said "I'm not surprised", because your liberal high horse showed up and you had to mount it.

A large group of people can be from anywhere at all. Whether you meet them in a store or in an airport, you're around people you know nothing about. If your immune system is compromised, you'll get sick just picking your kid up from daycare.

You get your flu shot and save the world. There's a reason everyone can get a flu shot.

Maybe you carry a different strain of flu. You should stay home.

Because your conservative high horse showed up and you had to mount it.

[RandomGuy]

You can't be a carrier of influenza without having it.

You can, however, be asymptomatic.

I think that was the point being made.

[DMC]

(spins the cylander, closes revolver)

I've pulled the trigger plenty of times, and the gun has never gone off...

Maybe you spent all your ammo money on beer.

[DMC]

Because your conservative high horse showed up and you had to mount it.

How old are you? Just curious, you don't seem every sharp.

[Spurminator]

You probably have HIV.

"I've fucked thousands of hookers without a condom, and I've never gotten an STD. Are you impressed?"

[Pavlov]

How old are you? Just curious, you don't seem every sharp.Would you make an effort to remember this personal information you're requesting?

[DMC]

Would you make an effort to remember this personal information you're requesting?

^triggered :lol

[DMC]

"I've fucked thousands of hookers without a condom, and I've never gotten an STD. Are you impressed?"

Did you tell those guys you were Adam Lambert?

[Pavlov]

^triggered :lolYou're the one explicitly asking for personal information from a poster. If the information is given, would you make an effort to remember this personal information?

[RandomGuy]

Maybe you spent all your ammo money on beer.

Feh.

[DMC]

You're the one explicitly asking for personal information from a poster. If the information is given, would you make an effort to remember this personal information?

I don't need to make an effort to remember. It comes naturally for those of sound mind.

[Pavlov]

I don't need to make an effort to remember. It comes naturally for those of sound mind.No-effort retention of personal message board poster data comes naturally to your self-professed sound mind.

:lmao

[DMC]

No-effort retention of personal message board poster data comes naturally to your self-professed sound mind.

:lmao

:lol another "care too much" post from Mr 100K+

[Pavlov]

:lol another "care too much" post from Mr 100K+:lol naturally taken from your databank, effortlessly as breathing

[DMC]

:lol naturally taken from your databank, effortlessly as breathing

"snap" Just like that

[Pavlov]

"snap" Just like that:lol thanks for proving me right in multiple threads.

[DMC]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/155/834/plz-stop-post.jpg

[Pavlov]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/155/834/plz-stop-post.jpgBut it's still time for you to collect personal poster information, right? Even solicit it?

[Chucho]

But it's still time for you to collect personal poster information, right? Even solicit it?
Triggered. Mad. Upset. Yadda, yadda. You're every bit as sad, if not more, than anyone you try to insult for what they do in regards to forum life.

It's like street walkers talking down on higher tier BP whores who don't want to walk the streets- they're still whores.

[DisAsTerBot]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/155/834/plz-stop-post.jpg

Damn brah, dieting???

[Pavlov]

Triggered. Mad. Upset. Yadda, yadda. You're every bit as sad, if not more, than anyone you try to insult for what they do in regards to forum life.

It's like street walkers talking down on higher tier BP whores who don't want to walk the streets- they're still whores.:lol jes started posting

[Chucho]

:lol jes started posting

:rollinBeen posting for 10+ years at the clip of near 30 posts per day.

Straws for you, facts for me.

[DMC]

:lol jes started posting

Did you take notes of his posts? Otherwise what are you talking about?

:lol Chumpflake

[Pavlov]

Did you take notes of his posts? Otherwise what are you talking about?

:lol Chumpflake:lol such personal information!

[Pavlov]

:rollinBeen posting for 10+ years at the clip of near 30 posts per day.

Straws for you, facts for me.:lol putting in det research!

[Chucho]

:lol putting in det research!

LOL, you're known for ONE thing, it's like having to research the one thing Avante is known for. :rollin

[Pavlov]

LOL, you're known for ONE thing, it's like having to research the one thing Avante is known for. :rollinAll I know about you is you did some research on me and your posts look familiar.

[Chucho]

All I know about you is you did some research on me and your posts look familiar.

Whatever you gotta tell yourself. It least it's another post for you!

[DMC]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself. It least it's another post for you!

He's eternally jealous of Marcus Bryant's inflated post count. He's eternally runner up.

[rmt]

I suggest 5 drops of oil of oregano 3 times a day at the first sign of cold/flu and homemade chicken soup cooked with a large onion and whole head of garlic.

[Pavlov]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself. It least it's another post for you!


He's eternally jealous of Marcus Bryant's inflated post count. He's eternally runner up.Aw, got a little buddy. You gonna ask him for personal data too?

[rmt]

And not so much as a sniffle since I've been on this high fat, low carb diet - maybe there's just nothing (sugar/starch) for those viruses to feed on.

[pgardn]

You said "I'm not surprised", because your liberal high horse showed up and you had to mount it.

A large group of people can be from anywhere at all. Whether you meet them in a store or in an airport, you're around people you know nothing about. If your immune system is compromised, you'll get sick just picking your kid up from daycare.

You get your flu shot and save the world. There's a reason everyone can get a flu shot.

Maybe you carry a different strain of flu. You should stay home.

You labeled it a high horse, got perturbed, and then proceeded to make an utter fool of yourself.
If
But
But what if

Facts are this. If you carry the virus, and you come in contact with lots of people from lots of places, it's more likely to spread widely. So you are just flat out wrong. Meet them in a store or an airport... It does make a difference, you are wrong. That's it, that's all. You still don't understand.

I told you to stop. You chose to step off the cliff when you started with your silly scenarios. HEB. Moving in an airplane... Stop.

[pgardn]

You can't be a carrier of influenza without having it.

Yes you can.
A carrier has the virus and has very mild symptoms or none at all.

The point is that people with the virus don't even know they have it and go to school, come to the US, and on... and spread it. It is suggested by epidemiologsts to get the vaccine even if you have never had the flu symptoms, to be more exact for you.

[pgardn]

Damn brah, dieting???

What exactly does this mean.
Is this a reference to Trump hands?

[Spurminator]

:lol another "care too much" post from Mr 100K+

:lol
You have almost 60k posts since 2010.
Chump had 100k posts since 2003.

Post-frequency-shaming isn't a winning play for you.

Just like "I know your alts because I have your email address" isn't.

[SnakeBoy]

Yes you can.
A carrier has the virus and has very mild symptoms or none at all.

The point is that people with the virus don't even know they have it and go to school, come to the US, and on... and spread it. It is suggested by epidemiologsts to get the vaccine even if you have never had the flu symptoms, to be more exact for you.

Yeah you have to have it like I said. Really I was just pointing out your claim that you have never had the flu. There's no way for you to know that. Best you can say is you've never been infected with an influenza strain that completely knocked you on your ass.

[pgardn]

Yeah you have to have it like I said. Really I was just pointing out your claim that you have never had the flu. There's no way for you to know that. Best you can say is you've never been infected with an influenza strain that completely knocked you on your ass.

True.

You can test for the antibodies however, that's how we know there are people who have been infected, but show little to no symptoms. However, I have never been tested for the antibodies. So fundamentally you are correct. But I also know that you, at least, understand what I am stating.

[DMC]

You labeled it a high horse, got perturbed, and then proceeded to make an utter fool of yourself.
If
But
But what if

Facts are this. If you carry the virus, and you come in contact with lots of people from lots of places, it's more likely to spread widely. So you are just flat out wrong. Meet them in a store or an airport... It does make a difference, you are wrong. That's it, that's all. You still don't understand.

I told you to stop. You chose to step off the cliff when you started with your silly scenarios. HEB. Moving in an airplane... Stop.

So the virus won't spread if you're a carrier in a store, but in an airport, the virus knows it's time to travel.

Is that it?

You keep saying "stop" like your a bastion of scientific reasoning but you don't make any fucking sense.

A building is a building, people are people. The same people who were in the airport yesterday could be in the HEB tomorrow, or at a concert you're attending, or in the waiting room at the local ER, or any number of other places you might attend. There's nothing special about an airport that makes it more susceptible to spreading a virus.

Remember, you're the carrier here so you're a given. The rest is just weakened immune systems who walk by you or come into contact with you.

[DMC]

True.

You can test for the antibodies however, that's how we know there are people who have been infected, but show little to no symptoms. However, I have never been tested for the antibodies. So fundamentally you are correct. But I also know that you, at least, understand what I am stating.

Which is odd because you don't seem to. Someone who's so afraid they might be a carrier has never been tested for the antibodies.

[DMC]

:lol
You have almost 60k posts since 2010.
Chump had 100k posts since 2003.

Post-frequency-shaming isn't a winning play for you.

Just like "I know your alts because I have your email address" isn't.

You're emotionally scarred because I outed your alt. Dude, you're way too invested in this shit.

[Pelicans78]

You guys are idiots. Flu shots aren't designed to prevent the flu. It's to make the flu not as severe if infected. Similar to the pneumonia vaccine and shingles vaccine for older adults.

[SnakeBoy]

You guys are idiots. Flu shots aren't designed to prevent the flu. It's to make the flu not as severe if infected. Similar to the pneumonia vaccine and shingles vaccine for older adults.

This is not correct.

[SnakeBoy]

And not so much as a sniffle since I've been on this high fat, low carb diet - maybe there's just nothing (sugar/starch) for those viruses to feed on.

Viruses do not feed on sugar/starch. They don't "feed" on anything at all.

[spurraider21]

You're emotionally scarred because I outed your alt. Dude, you're way too invested in this shit.
Brings up post numbers

Then calls somebody else "too invested" for discussing the same post numbers

[spurraider21]

Viruses do not feed on sugar/starch. They don't "feed" on anything at all.
Well rmt gets heath information from shit like natural news and your crazy aunt on Facebook, so...

[Blake]

Lol flu shot conspiracies

[Blake]

This is not correct.

What's correct then? Honest question

[Brazil]

:lmao americans

[Blake]

You're emotionally scarred because I outed your alt. Dude, you're way too invested in this shit.


Brings up post numbers

Then calls somebody else "too invested" for discussing the same post numbers

Lol

"I took the time and effort to research you but you're the one invested in this shit"

[DMC]

Brings up post numbers

Then calls somebody else "too invested" for discussing the same post numbers

Confuses cause and correlation^^

Posts passive aggressive meme style response from the margins.

[DMC]

Lol

"I took the time and effort to research you but you're the one invested in this shit"

No one needs to research you, cuck. You told the forum that your wife was sucking someone else's dick.

[DMC]

What's correct then? Honest question

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flu+virus+facts

[Spurminator]

You're emotionally scarred because I outed your alt. Dude, you're way too invested in this shit.

:lol I'M scarred and invested? You looked up my email address to find out my alt because I made you mad.

Just because you say I'm emotional doesn't make it true. I enjoy the shit out of bringing this up every opportunity I get. Now find something else to try to shame me about that applies way more to you.

[DMC]

:lol I'M scarred and invested? You looked up my email address to find out my alt because I made you mad.

Just because you say I'm emotional doesn't make it true. I enjoy the shit out of bringing this up every opportunity I get. Now find something else to try to shame me about that applies way more to you.

:lol No I didn't.

[Blake]

No one needs to research you, cuck. You told the forum that your wife was sucking someone else's dick.

You're clearly not invested in this shit

[Blake]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flu+virus+facts


Already Googled and got my own answer from pbs documentary thx. Want to see his answer.

[pgardn]

Which is odd because you don't seem to. Someone who's so afraid they might be a carrier has never been tested for the antibodies.

Yeah that's a cheap process.

[pgardn]

So the virus won't spread if you're a carrier in a store, but in an airport, the virus knows it's time to travel.

Is that it?

You keep saying "stop" like your a bastion of scientific reasoning but you don't make any fucking sense.

A building is a building, people are people. The same people who were in the airport yesterday could be in the HEB tomorrow, or at a concert you're attending, or in the waiting room at the local ER, or any number of other places you might attend. There's nothing special about an airport that makes it more susceptible to spreading a virus.

Remember, you're the carrier here so you're a given. The rest is just weakened immune systems who walk by you or come into contact with you.

wtf

People are usually traveling in airports. Not in HEB. It's about spreading the disease widely. You have no Fkn clue. I don't talk about things I know absolutely nothing about, it appears to be your habit. So Ebola breaks out in a town in Africa, people start coming down with symptoms and you want them on an airplane and in airports. But, but they are dying in the town also? No shit, but you want them in an airport and on an airplane.

Excellent stuff.

Yes.
Stop.
Again.

[pgardn]

The airplane only recycles about half its air. Even that is filtered. The germs are on tray tables and that overhead vent knob that never gets cleaned. You have to close your tray tables, not clean them. You adjust the air, you don't clean the vent (neither do they). I clean my tray table and my vent with wipes. I don't touch door handles if I can avoid it. When I eat a urinal mint, it has to be relatively fresh. People get sick from the fact they are travelling, they are tired and they are exposed to climate conditions they aren't accustomed to.

How are people sitting on a plane more mobile than people sitting at a concert or a sporting event? I get it they are moving through the air much faster, but they are personally not more mobile and a moving plane doesn't necessarily collect disease.

130 on the plane, dipshit, unless you think the airport recycles all it's air and is a "tube".

There are more than 130 at HEB. Oh noes! I better get my surgical mask!

Read this again...

Holy shit...

[DMC]

Yeah that's a cheap process.

You can get quantitative results for under 200 dollars.

How much do you care about other people? Based on your response in this thread, I'd think you're Mother fucking Theresa.

[DMC]

Read this again...

Holy shit...

Myth: Airplane Air Makes You Sick
By ABC NEWS Oct. 14, 2005
Email
Your plane starts to taxi away from the gate and the open air vents above your seat start blowing out cool air. As you sit back and head up into the sky, do you wonder -- is that recycled air blowing germs down on me? If so, you're not alone.

"I definitely think that airplane air can make me feel sick. I often get a cold after I fly," one woman traveler told "20/20."

"When I get off of the flights I'm normally congested and I have to use my inhalers. And I don't believe airplane air is conditioned the way it should be," a man told us.

But experts say: Don't blame the air up there.

"The air is in fact quite healthy, because of the excellent cabin air filters," said Joe Lundquist, an air filtration expert with Pall Corp. He says state-of-the-art HEPA air filters can capture up to 99.9% of small bacteria and viruses -- even SARS and bird flu virus.

"We've gone through great studies to prove that they effectively remove the bacteria and viruses that people are so concerned about," he said.

Today, HEPA filters are found on most commercial airplanes -- where they re-circulate the air every three to five minutes. A 2002 medical study found that passengers flying in planes with re-circulated air had no more colds than people on planes ventilated with fresh air. So, how did you catch that cold on the plane?

Being on a plane packed with people coughing or sneezing near you is the reason you catch colds. In fact, that air blowing on you from the nozzles above may even help keep you safe from some of those germs being coughed up all around you.

[pgardn]

Myth: Airplane Air Makes You Sick
By ABC NEWS Oct. 14, 2005
Email
Your plane starts to taxi away from the gate and the open air vents above your seat start blowing out cool air. As you sit back and head up into the sky, do you wonder -- is that recycled air blowing germs down on me? If so, you're not alone.

"I definitely think that airplane air can make me feel sick. I often get a cold after I fly," one woman traveler told "20/20."

"When I get off of the flights I'm normally congested and I have to use my inhalers. And I don't believe airplane air is conditioned the way it should be," a man told us.

But experts say: Don't blame the air up there.

"The air is in fact quite healthy, because of the excellent cabin air filters," said Joe Lundquist, an air filtration expert with Pall Corp. He says state-of-the-art HEPA air filters can capture up to 99.9% of small bacteria and viruses -- even SARS and bird flu virus.

"We've gone through great studies to prove that they effectively remove the bacteria and viruses that people are so concerned about," he said.

Today, HEPA filters are found on most commercial airplanes -- where they re-circulate the air every three to five minutes. A 2002 medical study found that passengers flying in planes with re-circulated air had no more colds than people on planes ventilated with fresh air. So, how did you catch that cold on the plane?

Being on a plane packed with people coughing or sneezing near you is the reason you catch colds. In fact, that air blowing on you from the nozzles above may even help keep you safe from some of those germs being coughed up all around you.


Any place you are closer to people, and those people are constantly switching in and out makes you more likely to share bugs.

Its ALSO about the travel and spreading it for Christ sakes. That makes it worse. Catch it, spread it to new places that have not been exposed yet. Why has this taken so long? You know exactly what I'm saying. I would hope.

[pgardn]

You can get quantitative results for under 200 dollars.

How much do you care about other people? Based on your response in this thread, I'd think you're Mother fucking Theresa.

Where?

And what antibodies to which antigens do they test you for? No way this is a complete panel, it can't be as the antigens each year are not necessarily known.

[DMC]

Any place you are closer to people, and those people are constantly switching in and out makes you more likely to share bugs.

Its ALSO about the travel and spreading it for Christ sakes. That makes it worse. Catch it, spread it to new places that have not been exposed yet. Why has this taken so long? You know exactly what I'm saying. I would hope.

Shut up already. You acted like the air on planes is laced with viruses because *gulp* it's recycled!

8K people are 8K people. At the mall, in a theater, at a concert, nightclub, and especially in a hospital or daycare center.. you're going to come into contact with a virus if someone there has it, most likely.

Stop acting like planes are cesspools for diseases you fucking tool.

[pgardn]

Shut up already. You acted like the air on planes is laced with viruses because *gulp* it's recycled!

8K people are 8K people. At the mall, in a theater, at a concert, nightclub, and especially in a hospital or daycare center.. you're going to come into contact with a virus if someone there has it, most likely.

Stop acting like planes are cesspools for diseases you fucking tool.

So you as a Center for Disease guy are stating that 8000 people with Ebola from the same city staying put is the same as 8000 people in 8000 different places all traveling.

Sure thing.

Stop.

And don't change my argument you Disingenous weasel. It's your tired MO that most on this board that can think are sick of.

[pgardn]

So hear this. When one spews his flu viruses in a clinic in San Antonio, it's exactly the same as spewing your flu viruses on a plane where people are going to disperse to God knows where.

[DMC]

Where?

And what antibodies to which antigens do they test you for? No way this is a complete panel, it can't be as the antigens each year are not necessarily known.

https://www.walgreens.com/topic/scheduler/influenza-a-and-b-test_11.jsp


The vaccine has the same drawbacks, hit or miss but by god you're a pariah if you don't get one.

[DMC]

So hear this. When one spews his flu viruses in a clinic in San Antonio, it's exactly the same as spewing your flu viruses on a plane where people are going to disperse to God knows where.

You either get it or you don't. If you're worrying about infecting the world, don't fly while you have the flu.

If you don't know when you have the flu, get tested, cheapskate.

[DMC]

So you as a Center for Disease guy are stating that 8000 people with Ebola from the same city staying put is the same as 8000 people in 8000 different places all traveling.

You're talking about spreading. I am talking about contracting. My odds of being exposed to ebola in a city with 8K people infected and not quarantined is likely higher than if those 8K people spread out across the world, but their odds of spreading it might be higher.

Two different things.


Sure thing.

Stop.

And don't change my argument you Disingenous weasel. It's your tired MO that most on this board that can think are sick of.

A. You say you don't get the flu but you could be a carrier (meaning you'd have to have the flu)
B. You say you're concerned about spreading it
C. Not so concerned that you'll get tested

Can you spread the flu as an asymptomatic carrier? Sure, just like a symptomatic carrier other than the hacking and wheezing. Can you contract it from people you know just as easy as from people you don't? Sure, pretty sure most people pick it up from people they know.

[pgardn]

https://www.walgreens.com/topic/scheduler/influenza-a-and-b-test_11.jsp


The vaccine has the same drawbacks, hit or miss but by god you're a pariah if you don't get one.

Yeah that's what I labeled you as.
A pariah. For not getting a vaccine. And you feel just horrible, and not from the flu.

This test, no. It's for people who have the symptoms. And it's a poor antigen test. The real purpose is to get you to bed before you really conk out. It tells you nothing about the types of strains for A and B. And nothing about C as expected. Some research labs pay for people like you and I to come in during really bad outbreaks, especially if everyone around us family, school, etc... Has it.

[DMC]

Yeah that's what I labeled you as.
A pariah. For not getting a vaccine. And you feel just horrible, and not from the flu.

This test, no. It's for people who have the symptoms. And it's a poor antigen test. The real purpose is to get you to bed before you really conk out. It tells you nothing about the types of strains for A and B. And nothing about C as expected. Some research labs pay for people like you and I to come in during really bad outbreaks, especially if everyone around us family, school, etc... Has it.

So the vaccine is hit or miss, that's ok but the test that's 80% accurate with high specificity, that's just a scam.

Jesus.

[pgardn]

You're talking about spreading. I am talking about contracting. My odds of being exposed to ebola in a city with 8K people infected and not quarantined is likely higher than if those 8K people spread out across the world, but their odds of spreading it might be higher.

Two different things.


A. You say you don't get the flu but you could be a carrier (meaning you'd have to have the flu)
B. You say you're concerned about spreading it
C. Not so concerned that you'll get tested

Can you spread the flu as an asymptomatic carrier? Sure, just like a symptomatic carrier other than the hacking and wheezing. Can you contract it from people you know just as easy as from people you don't? Sure, pretty sure most people pick it up from people they know.

No im speaking to both. If you contract and get on a plane, instead of staying put, it's not a good thing. Because planes are easier places to contract it, or give it to others, and then you go to an airport, change planes and the process continues. You know exactly what I am talking about now. Maybe not when you were speaking to washing down your entire field on an airplane and eating mints, but you do now.

[pgardn]

So the vaccine is hit or miss, that's ok but the test that's 80% accurate with high specificity, that's just a scam.

Jesus.

No its not a scam. YOU stated that, I did not. It's for you to get the hell in bed and to tell the doc if you must go in what OVERALL broad strain you had.

Again you try and change my argument. This is like an addiction for you.

[Big Empty]

I just got a flu shot. Not sure if it really works or not but I cant remember the last time I got the flu. maybe as a kid

[SnakeBoy]

What's correct then? Honest question

The flu shot is designed to provide full immunity to the 3 or 4 (depending on type of vaccine) influenza strains that are in the vaccine. There are literally thousands of strains present each year globally so the vaccine manufacturers make their best guess as to which strains will be most prevalent each season. Some years they guess well and some years they don't.

The vaccine can lessen symptoms and duration of illness from other strains if they are similar enough to the strains in the vaccine. I think that's what Pelicans was thinking of.

Universal flu vaccines are currently being tested which target proteins common to all or most influenza strains. A universal vaccine would provide long term protection the way most other vaccines do. Still years away though.

[Spurtacular]

http://yournewswire.com/trump-flu-shot-scam/
The flu shot is the greatest scam in medical history, created by Big Pharma to make money off vulnerable people and make them sick, warns President

Big Pharma has much bigger scams than $10 flu shots, tbh.

[SnakeBoy]

I just got a flu shot. Not sure if it really works or not but I cant remember the last time I got the flu. maybe as a kid

I got the flu when I was 19. Knocked the shit out of me for a week and a half bad enough that I still remember it 31 years later. Don't ever want to go through that again so I get a flu shot every year. It's cheap and safe so why not.

[DMC]

No its not a scam. YOU stated that, I did not. It's for you to get the hell in bed and to tell the doc if you must go in what OVERALL broad strain you had.

Again you try and change my argument. This is like an addiction for you.

So do you think it's due diligence for everyone to wear a mask? You never know who's carrying it and who isn't, so shouldn't everyone wear a mask?

If not, and you just do it for the sake of your conscience, I don't have an issue with it. Just don't get all felt up because others don't. I don't need to inject shit into me to fix a problem I don't have.

[DMC]

No im speaking to both. If you contract and get on a plane, instead of staying put, it's not a good thing. Because planes are easier places to contract it, or give it to others, and then you go to an airport, change planes and the process continues. You know exactly what I am talking about now. Maybe not when you were speaking to washing down your entire field on an airplane and eating mints, but you do now.

You just said you've never had symptoms but you could be a carrier. How do you know you contracted it if you are asymptomatic? So should someone never travel during "flu season"? Some people travel for work, so you don't really have a choice.

I always clean my tray table and the air vent. I clean areas around me (comes from my cooking days and cleanroom days). I carry antiseptic wipes in my bag, use them all the time. The pretzel bag makes a nice disposal bag for them. The urinal mints I obviously rinse with that fresh water they pour down that white porcelain "sink", I do it a few times (I'm not a pig you know).

[spurraider21]

I don't need to inject shit into me to fix a problem I don't have.
You've never been vaccinated?

[DMC]

You've never been vaccinated?

I didn't do it to myself. (see how two can play that stupid philo game?)

[pgardn]

You just said you've never had symptoms but you could be a carrier. How do you know you contracted it if you are asymptomatic? So should someone never travel during "flu season"? Some people travel for work, so you don't really have a choice.

I always clean my tray table and the air vent. I clean areas around me (comes from my cooking days and cleanroom days). I carry antiseptic wipes in my bag, use them all the time. The pretzel bag makes a nice disposal bag for them. The urinal mints I obviously rinse with that fresh water they pour down that white porcelain "sink", I do it a few times (I'm not a pig you know).

I don't know.
So....
I get vaccinated now. This is the point.For the last 6 years in fact. So it's much more likely that I don't have the virus to spread far and wide. I know people who are epidemiologsts and they explained this to me when I said I did not get the flu vaccine because I don't get the flu. Now I'm telling you. But I White Knighted, so it's obviously an exercise in futility on my part to try and explain. The Walgreens test is for people who have flu like symptoms so they can know if they are about to get knocked for a loop (Versus just having a cold) and maybe keep non infected relatives aware and away. Especially younger and older people even though some strains have actually put down a bunch of healthy 20-30 year olds. ( Another interesting story as to why)

I understand this crap because of my background and job but don't work in the field. It makes sense to me. But I have had many lessons on this board that just because it seems straightforward to me...

[Chucho]

I caught the flu back to back within 20 days my Sophmore year. Haven't caught it since and haven't had a flu shot since middle school

[DMC]

I caught the flu back to back within 20 days my Sophmore year. Haven't caught it since and haven't had a flu shot since middle school
Dude you're KILLING people. Jesus FUCKING Christ!

[SnakeBoy]

Especially younger and older people even though some strains have actually put down a bunch of healthy 20-30 year olds. ( Another interesting story as to why)



Cytokine storm

Always cracks me up when people think because they have a healthy immune system that they are invulnerable to viruses. They don't know that with some viruses the stronger your immune system the sicker you will get. The 1918 pandemic was like that. Ebola is another one where the healthier you are the faster you die.

[Chucho]

Dude you're KILLING people. Jesus FUCKING Christ!

For basically being immune to it after catching it twice in 1 month? No need for it, I can do better things with $10 than get slightly sick when I haven't gotten sick without it for 18 years.

[pgardn]

Dude you're KILLING people. Jesus FUCKING Christ!

The Black Knight rises.

Just drop yourself and surroundings into Chlorox when you travel.
And know how to be discerning on those toilet mints.

[pgardn]

Cytokine storm

Always cracks me up when people think because they have a healthy immune system that they are invulnerable to viruses. They don't know that with some viruses the stronger your immune system the sicker you will get. The 1918 pandemic was like that. Ebola is another one where the healthier you are the faster you die.

Its like allergies gone mad.

Interesting stuff. And interesting how much work they did to tie it in to bodies that far back.

[pgardn]

For basically being immune to it after catching it twice in 1 month? No need for it, I can do better things with $10 than get slightly sick when I haven't gotten sick without it for 18 years.

Yes you can.

Buy your own travel mints and HAZMAT suit for travel.

[Chucho]

Yes you can.

Buy your own travel mints and HAZMAT suit for travel.

Meh. 1/10. Still on that horseflesh.