Prayers for the people affected by this insane act of evil

[dabom]

Coward killed himself, because he was a pussy.

[Dex]

Another tragic event. Sucks that these are becoming more and more regular. Heart goes out to anyone involved or has loved ones affected.

I'm supposed to go to Vegas this weekend...for a concert. So there's that.

[SPURt]

Absolutely. What a horrible act.

This may be one of the most frustrating times to be a human. Technology has enabled us to record, share, and communicate in real time across the world for the first time in our species existence. It’s made it possible for us to feel like we are one species but the immediate trend to this reality is for humans to hold tighter to the value we place on arbitrary man made concepts like nationality, race, religion, money, and class. I don’t know what motivated this man to take the lives of so many people but I’m sure it was a construct of humanity.

I pray that some day our species will look around and realize we have no excuse for there being no peace, no utopia, no baseline to lift up the best of our species regardless of race, gender, or nationality. We humans have no species oppressing us, no species introducing elements to destabilize peace amongst ourselves. Unfortunately members of our species choose hate, greed, and the worst humanity has to offer.

Someday we will achieve peace for our entire species though I’m afraid it won’t come for several more generations. Until then we’re stuck trading our most valuable resource, time, for worthless green paper.

[ducks]

horrible act horrible Clinton is blaming nra 50 minutes ago
trying to get politics involved in the shooting

[dabom]

I'm 100% sure laws will be written from this.

[101A]

I'm 100% sure laws will be written from this.

The weapon he used was already illegal. Where there's a will...

[ducks]

Uhhh the gun used was already 100% illegal anywhere in the US.

[dabom]

Paddock, according to public records, had a hunting license and a pilot's license. It is unclear whether all of the guns were registered in his name. Nevada is an open-carry state, where machine guns and concealed weapons are legal.

[ducks]

machine guns ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????

I guess I am against people having machine guns but other guns are ok
and nothing wrong with open carry
in az you have to be 18 to open care concealed 21

[dabom]

What guns was he using?

[dabom]

They said he had 10 rifles.

[TheGreatYacht]

The weapon he used was already illegal. Where there's a will...
He had 8-10 weapons, cuck. 0/10 spin

Death by white males continues to be the biggest threat to America. Sad.

[jermaine]

Please don't make this shit about race man! This is a tragic event. IDC what color they was. Innocent civilians died. Could've been anyone

[ducks]

ummmm one city has 2780 deaths and most are black killing blacks but go ahead and play the racecard liberal

[TheGreatYacht]

Please don't make this shit about race man! This is a tragic event. IDC what color they was. Innocent civilians died. Could've been anyone
"Don't make this about race" is never said until the terrorist is white. Usual spin by cacs

[dabom]

Las Vegas shooting: Are machine guns, rifles legal in the US?

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Police officers advise people to take cover near the scene of the mass shooting near the Mandalay Bay resort and casino on the Las Vegas Strip on Sunday, Oct. 1. Police said a 64-year-old gunman on the 32nd floor of the hotel rained down gunfire on thousands of concertgoers, killing at least 50. (AP Photo/John Locher)



A gunman perched high above thousands of concertgoers in Las Vegas killed at least 50 people (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-at-least-50-dead-more-than-400-sent-to-hospitals-in-massacre.html) and injured more than 400 when he rained down gunfire on the crowd Sunday night.
Police said 64-year-old Stephen Paddock (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/stephen-paddock-suspected-las-vegas-gunman-stashed-weapons-in-room-police-say.html), the suspected gunman, stocked his Las Vegas hotel room with as many as 10 rifles. Paddock fired from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay casino-hotel tower on the Las Vegas Strip on some 22,000 people attending the outdoor Route 91 Harvest Music Festival, authorities said.
Paddock killed himself prior to law enforcement officials entering the hotel room, police said. A motive for the massacre has not yet been revealed.
Witnesses described the sound of rapid automatic gunfire – which many believed to be firecrackers – ringing out as thousands ran for cover. One vendor told Fox News that “it sounded like a machine gun.”
Here’s what the federal and Nevada state laws say about machine guns and rifles.
U.S. laws

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives defines a rifle as (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-gun-control-act-definition-rifle) “a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.”
The ATF defines a machine gun as (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-0): “Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.”
FULL COVERAGE OF LAS VEGAS MASSACRE (http://www.foxnews.com/live-coverage/las-vegas-massacre)
Enacted in 1934, the National Firearms Act imposed taxes and regulations on certain firearms. A 1986 amendment prohibited (https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/national-firearms-act) the transfer or possession of machine guns made after 1986 – with government agencies an exception.
The law also regulates (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/which-firearms-are-regulated-under-nfa) the possession of rifles with a barrel of less than 16 inches in length or shotguns with a barrel of less than 18 inches.
Nevada laws

Nevadans are allowed to purchase, possess or sell a machine gun as long as it is legally registered and complies with federal regulations, according to the lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association (https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/nevada/).
The NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action said the state does not require a permit to purchase or possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun.

[101A]

He had 8-10 weapons, cuck. 0/10 spin

Death by white males continues to be the biggest threat to America. Sad.

What I've seen is that "machine gun fire" rained down. Machine guns are illegal.

[dabom]

What I've seen is that "machine gun fire" rained down. Machine guns are illegal.

Fox news says machine guns are legal in Nevada.

[SpursforSix]

Fox news says machine guns are legal in Nevada.

I think they're legal in many states as long as you get the right license. I'm sure they're legal in Texas.

[dabom]

No one man should be able to kill around 60 people and injure 500 people. I'm for guns. Just need to regulate them more.

[SpursforSix]

^ that being said, it's not incredibly difficult to convert a semi auto to fully auto.

[diego]

at this point, if americans cant tell guns have something to do with this, then what will?
also, what does it say about the united states, where in every other country this size of tragedy is a terrorist attack perpetrated by indoctrinated fanatics looking to avenge a real or perceived injury, while in the US more often than not it happens because the mental health of the country is so bad and despite the super military police and big brother surveillance the government has no power to control the crazies. I live in Chile, we have crazies and criminals and junkies you name it. A couple of months ago there was a big scandal, a doggy vet went psycho and shot up a casino and killed himself. 2 people dead, 4 injured. of course, he didnt have the arsenal this guy in vegas or that guy in aurora or the guy in sandy hook or...

[ducks]

No one man should be able to kill around 60 people and injure 500 people. I'm for guns. Just need to regulate them more.

no one should kill one person but people do and people do with other things then guns

[ducks]

if people want this to stop they need to start excuting murders with guns since drugs are to hard to come by now

[dabom]

no one should kill one person but people do and people do with other things then guns

Yes you can. But you can kill exponentially more with machine guns.

[AFMadison]

He had 8-10 weapons, cuck. 0/10 spin

Death by white males continues to be the biggest threat to America. Sad.
Wrong

[AFMadison]

This, sadly, is why I don't go to big public events like this. Just one big ass target for crazy people.

[Pavlov]

if people want this to stop they need to start excuting murders with guns since drugs are to hard to come by nowwut

[benfti]

No one man should be able to kill around 60 people and injure 500 people. I'm for guns. Just need to regulate them more.
Why?

People kill other people when they have them.

the only reason you may need one is because the next dickhead has one, and you may need to shoot first. But if that dickhead didn’t have one, then you wouldn’t need one, would you?

hypothetically speaking if it was only legal for people, under strict screening to only have single shot rifles, like every other civilised country in the world. Fair to say maybe 5 people die in Vegas at most?

from an outsiders perspective looking in, guns are to readily available to stupid people in your country.

fwiw, I own two air rifles, but we have a crocodile problem. Took me 2 years to get my license for them.

a lot of great things about your country but your gun laws are fucking retarded.

[rjv]

wut the old "knives can kill people too" cliche. ignores the fact that people will use the most violent weapon at their disposal to inflict as much harm as possible.

[dabom]

Why?

People kill other people when they have them.

the only reason you may need one is because the next dickhead has one, and you may need to shoot first. But if that dickhead didn’t have one, then you wouldn’t need one, would you?

hypothetically speaking if it was only legal for people, under strict screening to only have single shot rifles, like every other civilised country in the world. Fair to say maybe 5 people die in Vegas at most?

from an outsiders perspective looking in, guns are to readily available to stupid people in your country.

fwiw, I own two air rifles, but we have a crocodile problem. Took me 2 years to get my license for them.

a lot of great things about your country but your gun laws are fucking retarded.

Not all places get better when you take away guns. Sometimes the bad guys get them and the law abiding citizens get fucked. They should be able to defend themselves. But I don't think people really need crazy fucking arsenals.

[benfti]

Honestly, between president fuckbag, and stuff like this I feel like I’m watching a once great civilisation destroy itself in real time.

If Sandy Hook didn’t make the gun loving morons change their ways then nothing will. Apparently lives lost like this and dozens of innocent children is the price you are willing to pay to protect your second amendment rights.

[benfti]

Not all places get better when you take away guns. Sometimes the bad guys get them and the law abiding citizens get fucked. They should be able to defend themselves. But I don't think people really need crazy fucking arsenals.

Why are bad guys shooting at you Dabom?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I'll give my guns up when the bad guys give theirs up

[BSfromTX]

Could it be a staged event?

[benfti]

Who are these bad guys??? Why are they after you? Call the police bro, or the avengers or something

[BSfromTX]

I'll give my guns up when the bad guys give theirs up

2nd amendment is for tyrannical government.

and pretty much all governments are such.

[DMC]

OP is a front running faggot

[Dex]

the old "knives can kill people too" cliche. ignores the fact that people will use the most violent weapon at their disposal to inflict as much harm as possible.

Yep. Even a pillow can be used to kill a person.

What knives don't allow is for someone to mow down 500+ people in the span of minutes from the safety of a 32nd story window.

I fail to see why any citizen needs anything more than a handgun or shotgun in today's society. And don't give me that "it's to stop things like this from happening" crap, because what good did that do last night in Vegas?

[benfti]

I'll give my guns up when the bad guys give theirs up
Did you read my post about my two guns and the crocodiles?

does your stance now dictate that I give the crocs guns?

fuck

crocodiles with guns..

Look what you just did.

[ducks]

Hillary slammed for ‘ignorant’ statement on guns after Las Vegas shooting
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/02/hillary-clinton-slammed-for-ignorant-statement-on-guns-after-las-vegas-shooting.html

[ducks]

WHO WILL GIVE BLOOD LIVES AT STAKE!

[Chucho]

He had 8-10 weapons, cuck. 0/10 spin

Death by white males continues to be the biggest threat to America. Sad.

Unless you're a black male, then other black males are your biggest threats. And unless your old, disease and natural causes are your biggest threats. And unless you're a baby- SIDS, irresponsible whore mothers and Planned Parenthood murderers are your biggest threats.

[TheGreatYacht]

Could it be a staged event?
^ Alex Jones loyal subscriber and Trump bath water drinker

[bic50]

Who are these bad guys??? Why are they after you? Call the police bro, or the avengers or something
I don't think anyone knows the bad guys by name. But the bad guys are the reason prisons exist. Police are never there the instant you call them and that's if you even get the chance to call them. What happened in vegas was horrific but this is almost all you hear about. You never hear of the stories from people who lives have been saved from being able to own firearms

[BSfromTX]

^ Alex Jones loyal subscriber and Trump bath water drinker
Nice try, I’m neither. I just no longer trust any corporate media to deliver the truth. Alex is a clown as is Trump, as is Pelosi, as is Hillary, as is bush, etc

i looked at the videos and have yet to see one wounded or dead person. Just curious to see who thought different from what cnn, fox and abc told them to think

[bic50]

Yep. Even a pillow can be used to kill a person.

What knives don't allow is for someone to mow down 500+ people in the span of minutes from the safety of a 32nd story window.

I fail to see why any citizen needs anything more than a handgun or shotgun in today's society. And don't give me that "it's to stop things like this from happening" crap, because what good did that do last night in Vegas?
I think the worry comes from the possibility when people start getting killed with shotguns and handguns next those will be banned

[101A]

A nice summary of laws in play if, indeed, this was the result of a fully automatic weapon.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/02/actual-federal-laws-regulating-machine-guns-u-s/

It is possible the shooter was legally in possession of an automatic weapon, but it is highly unlikely. Most likely, again, if this was an automatic weapon, it was either obtained, modified, or possessed (or all of the above) illegally.

[BillMc]

I'm from Vegas (though I live in Europe). I was in that hotel only last June. Terrible that these things happen. My family is all safe. Checkin' in on friends. Odds are minuscule, but every victim was family and friend of someone.

Poor people. This is an ugly world we live in.

[bic50]

Nice try, I’m neither. I just no longer trust any corporate media to deliver the truth. Alex is a clown as is Trump, as is Pelosi, as is Hillary, as is bush, etc

i looked at the videos and have yet to see one wounded or dead person. Just curious to see who thought different from what cnn, fox and abc told them to think
I don't think they are allowed to show bloody shot up dead bodies on national tv.

[Dex]

I think the worry comes from the possibility when people start getting killed with shotguns and handguns next those will be banned

Perhaps, but there is more of an argument to me made that those can (and should) be used for personal defense of the body or home.

Why would anyone need an automatic assault rifle to defend yourself? It's not like you are on the front line of a war zone or fighting fucking dinosaurs.

[rastaspur]

I don't think they are allowed to show bloody shot up dead bodies on national tv.

Correct. The families could sue for intentional infliction of emotional distress.

[BSfromTX]

I don't think they are allowed to show bloody shot up dead bodies on national tv.

I mean even a covered body. You see that all the time on local news. Wounded? No way anyone in this forum can prove this happened. I realize it seems far fetched, but these events are used to further divide us along so many lines and push agendas.

Im simply saying that we should hear and listen to everything but only believe what we know to be true. Americans are so naive when they talk about other countries being victims of propaganda yet never can accept they might too be victims of it.

[Pavlov]

I mean even a covered body. You see that all the time on local news. Wounded? No way anyone in this forum can prove this happened. I realize it seems far fetched, but these events are used to further divide us along so many lines and push agendas.

Im simply saying that we should hear and listen to everything but only believe what we know to be true. Americans are so naive when they talk about other countries being victims of propaganda yet never can accept they might too be victims of it.This really happened. Don't be ridiculous.

[bic50]

Perhaps, but there is more of an argument to me made that those can (and should) be used for personal defense of the body or home.

Why would anyone need an automatic assault rifle to defend yourself? It's not like you are on the front line of a war zone or fighting fucking dinosaurs.
True.

[BSfromTX]

This really happened. Don't be ridiculous.

certainly there is a better case to assume its real. I’m not rediculous, just curious to see who thinks it is plausible.

[Pavlov]

certainly there is a better case to assume its real. I’m not rediculous, just curious to see who thinks it is plausible.I know it would be impossible to fake 58 dead and 500 wounded at the south end of the Las Vegas Strip.

[ceperez]

certainly there is a better case to assume its real. I’m not rediculous, just curious to see who thinks it is plausible.

Another idiot. You telling me that all those videos captured using phones about this shooting were all staged? Ask anyone you know (if you know anyone) who went to that concert. Were they not shot at for 15 minutes hoping they won't be the next guy to take the hit?

Total insensitive crap that you are spewing.

Perhaps you need to visit the Las Vegas morgue or any of the funeral parlors so you can get a good feel of what reality is really like.

I'm sure there's plenty of the 500+ wounded that are still in the hospital. Go visit them yourself.

[ceperez]

I mean even a covered body. You see that all the time on local news. Wounded? No way anyone in this forum can prove this happened. I realize it seems far fetched, but these events are used to further divide us along so many lines and push agendas.

Im simply saying that we should hear and listen to everything but only believe what we know to be true. Americans are so naive when they talk about other countries being victims of propaganda yet never can accept they might too be victims of it.

You are a piece of garbage. I have friends who were in that concert and they lucky they came out alive. They had friends that also did not make it. So don't give me this 'conspiracy theory' garbage.

[ceperez]

Yep. Even a pillow can be used to kill a person.

What knives don't allow is for someone to mow down 500+ people in the span of minutes from the safety of a 32nd story window.

I fail to see why any citizen needs anything more than a handgun or shotgun in today's society. And don't give me that "it's to stop things like this from happening" crap, because what good did that do last night in Vegas?

The killer was a 64 year old guy who was comfortably retired. He was a pilot and had hunting as his hobby.

He booked a hotel room days before knowing that there was concert. Brought in 10 different fire arms and set himself up to shoot people like they were fish in a barrel. He was wealthy enough to procure the weapons. Had no criminal record so he bought everything legally.

How many other people can do the same thing?

That's the entire problem here. You can go to a concert and just get randomly shot and killed because some random dude just felt that it was high time to start killing people.

We try to make excuses in our mine that only a crazy person would do something like this. Only a person that is in such desperation. Yet we have this guy of privilege kill 58 innocent people for no reason.

How would you like to die for no reason at all other than for some gun hobbyist right to collect fire-arms?

[lefty20]

What guns was he using?

Sounded like an MP5, based on my extensive CoD experience.

[Brazil]

You are a piece of garbage. I have friends who were in that concert and they lucky they came out alive. They had friends that also did not make it. So don't give me this 'conspiracy theory' garbage.

don't bother bro... dat bsfromtx is obviously an imbecile

[UNT Eagles 2016]

It's not guns. It's terrorism, call it like it is. Guns don't kill people. People kill people, with guns (and other things).

[Brazil]

fwiw apparently Daesh is claiming to be involved.

According press release from Aamaq, author of the massacre converted to islam a couple of month ago. So far no connection proven tho

[BSfromTX]

I am sorry you feel that way. In no way do I mean to be disrespectful or insensitive. You are 100% correct. I was not there. I do not know anyone who was. I have only seen what the “news”has shown.


Staging an event like this would seem impossible, I totally agree. I use to feel the same way. You just blasted me for suggesting that this is a lie, yet you provided nothing to prove I am wrong. You insulted me and assume that I don’t care that that 500 people may have been injured. I would never want to disrespect anyone or their families, and I don’t see how questioning this equates to that.

[Pavlov]

I am sorry you feel that way. In no way do I mean to be disrespectful or insensitive. You are 100% correct. I was not there. I do not know anyone who was. I have only seen what the “news”has shown.


Staging an event like this would seem impossible, I totally agree. I use to feel the same way. You just blasted me for suggesting that this is a lie, yet you provided nothing to prove I am wrong. You insulted me and assume that I don’t care that that 500 people may have been injured. I would never want to disrespect anyone or their families, and I don’t see how questioning this equates to that.OK, tell us how you think it could be faked. It's got to be plausible, otherwise there is no reason to entertain this.

[BSfromTX]

don't bother bro... dat bsfromtx is obviously an imbecile

Man, imbecile? I don’t blame anyone for thinking I am wrong, but why insult me? How is it disrespectful to question these things?

[Brazil]

Man, imbecile? I don’t blame anyone for thinking I am wrong, but why insult me? How is it disrespectful to question these things?

Questionning is one thing suggesting that this may be a lie is stupid, you are an imbecile for doing so and yes it is disrespectful.

Also you are the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you...

[Brazil]

For the rest I should take my own advice and not bother tbh... silly me

[BSfromTX]

Let me be clear. I am not convinced either way. I am not saying it is a lie, but I’m not certain yet that what we have been told is without a doubt the truth. Why is that so insulting to you?

[Pavlov]

Let me be clear. I am not convinced either way. I am not saying it is a lie, but I’m not certain yet that what we have been told is without a doubt the truth. Why is that so insulting to you?What else could it possibly be? What is the evidence it is something other than what has been reported?

[spurraider21]

horrible act horrible Clinton is blaming nra 50 minutes ago
trying to get politics involved in the shooting
And here you are 3 posts in totally not getting politics involved

[BSfromTX]

Have you ever researched false flag events or hoaxes? You will find plenty of crazy off the wall stuff but you will also find some things that will make you wonder. Yellow journalism has been around forever and these times are not any different. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I certainly don’t mean any disrespect or to seem insensitive. I simply do not trust corporate media or our government.

I believe that the truth is hard to find and I am certain I can not rely on Fox, cnn, or abc to provide it.

[Fireball]

I wish OP had been in LV tbh

[Pavlov]

Have you ever researched false flag events or hoaxes? You will find plenty of crazy off the wall stuff but you will also find some things that will make you wonder.Not when it comes to this kind of thing.
Yellow journalism has been around forever and these times are not any different. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I certainly don’t mean any disrespect or to seem insensitive. I simply do not trust corporate media or our government.

I believe that the truth is hard to find and I am certain I can not rely on Fox, cnn, or abc to provide it.Great, give us something else to believe that makes more sense than the story we're getting.

[Emperor]

Man it was crazy, I live by UNLV and there were alot people who took off towards there trying to escape it, calling their families and afraid to go back. Must have seen atleast 30 ambulances rushing to and from.

[Dex]

I wish OP had been in LV tbh

Don't be an asshole. More than 500 people have been hurt or lost lives. Now's not the time for cheap troll jokes.

[ceds]

True Evil.....That's my first thought waking up to this news.

I am from Australia, and in the early 90's we also had the right to bear arms are could purchase automatic weapons easily with little/no restriction.

Then in the early 90's we had something called the "port Arthur massacre" - A guy loaded to the teeth with automatic weapons lets loose in a crowded sea of people. In the carnage he injured many & caught something like 30 - 40 bodies.

In response Australia declares a Total ban automatic weapons (with a 6 month amnesty to trade your guns to the Gov for cash) & tightens it's controls on gun licences.

We haven't had any problems even close since doing this.

Damn you guys have Canada next door as an example that this shit works......btw am i right that Canada is beside Detroit? It's insane to me

[ViceCity86]

White Nut Gun Culture

Why? Why do you need a gun? Most crime in the U.S is concentrated in poor Black neighborhoods, yet very few Blacks own guns except the criminals. The gangbangers, drug dealers, etc...

Gun culture is rooted in Texas, South, rural Midwest, East and South. Many Whites own guns in these places, despite no logical reason to own one. Crime? Please! Worried about spooks, beaners, or White trash breaking into your home. Crime is virtually non existent in these places. If it happens, you won negative lottery.

Urban Whites, yuppies, Jews rarely own guns. The latter, because they’re smart.

You’re 40X more likely to be involved or be part of a suicide or homicide by owning a stupid gun in your house. When your girlfriend/wife or maladjusted kid goes into your closet and takes a firearm and uses it in a deadly fashion, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Guns For Retards.

[Leetonidas]

I mean even a covered body. You see that all the time on local news. Wounded? No way anyone in this forum can prove this happened. I realize it seems far fetched, but these events are used to further divide us along so many lines and push agendas.

Im simply saying that we should hear and listen to everything but only believe what we know to be true. Americans are so naive when they talk about other countries being victims of propaganda yet never can accept they might too be victims of it.

Man you are one fucktarded moron smh

[ViceCity86]

Maybe he wanted to kill a bunch of rednecks. Think about it. If you wanted to take out a bunch of hillbillies or rednecks, this was an genius way of going about it. Sniping from a hotel window high above with automatic weapon with hundreds of renecks in sight down below at a country music concert.

I’m not condoning these actions, but whatever his motive was, this was one major coup.

[bic50]

White Nut Gun Culture

Why? Why do you need a gun? Most crime in the U.S is concentrated in poor Black neighborhoods, yet very few Blacks own guns except the criminals. The gangbangers, drug dealers, etc...

Gun culture is rooted in Texas, South, rural Midwest, East and South. Many Whites own guns in these places, despite no logical reason to own one. Crime? Please! Worried about spooks, beaners, or White trash breaking into your home. Crime is virtually non existent in these places. If it happens, you won negative lottery.

Urban Whites, yuppies, Jews rarely own guns. The latter, because they’re smart.

You’re 40X more likely to be involved or be part of a suicide or homicide by owning a stupid gun in your house. When your girlfriend/wife or maladjusted kid goes into your closet and takes a firearm and uses it in a deadly fashion, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Guns For Retards.
Smh

[bic50]

Maybe he wanted to kill a bunch of rednecks. Think about it. If you wanted to take out a bunch of hillbillies or rednecks, this was an genius way of going about it. Sniping from a hotel window high above with automatic weapon with hundreds of renecks in sight down below at a country music concert.

I’m not condoning these actions, but whatever his motive was, this was one major coup.
Smh

[ceds]

White Nut Gun Culture

Why? Why do you need a gun? Most crime in the U.S is concentrated in poor Black neighborhoods, yet very few Blacks own guns except the criminals. The gangbangers, drug dealers, etc...

Gun culture is rooted in Texas, South, rural Midwest, East and South. Many Whites own guns in these places, despite no logical reason to own one. Crime? Please! Worried about spooks, beaners, or White trash breaking into your home. Crime is virtually non existent in these places. If it happens, you won negative lottery.

Urban Whites, yuppies, Jews rarely own guns. The latter, because they’re smart.

You’re 40X more likely to be involved or be part of a suicide or homicide by owning a stupid gun in your house. When your girlfriend/wife or maladjusted kid goes into your closet and takes a firearm and uses it in a deadly fashion, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Guns For Retards.

Those stat's are crazy.....How long has it been now since collombine? or whatever it was.

How many examples do people need to see before America responds and follows the path of other countries (That clearly show banning auto and semi automatics + tightening licences works)

[bic50]

Those stat's are crazy.....How long has it been now since collombine? or whatever it was.

How many examples do people need to see before America responds and follows the path of other countries (That clearly show banning auto and semi automatics + tightening licences works)
What other countries?

[ceds]

What other countries?

Well just look at Canada next door and my country.

There is more examples....it's an interesting subject/read honestly

[SilverSpur]

Coward killed himself, because he was a pussy.

What about the shooter on the 4th floor?

[Play Boban]

:cry

[tbdog]

There is no argument for not having gun control. Has trump addressed your nation yet?

[ElNono]

what happened? did apasolic start a new thread?

[ceds]

There is no argument for not having gun control. Has trump addressed your nation yet?

Trump hung up on our prime minister when he didn't like what he was hearing.

No one here supports him & the morning when the early/mid election results were in and he was ahead by a good way i still was able to get odds @ $3.40 here at crown.

It's like time stood still around the world for a few minutes once we all realised what was going to happen.

[eric365]

Not all places get better when you take away guns. Sometimes the bad guys get them and the law abiding citizens get fucked. They should be able to defend themselves. But I don't think people really need crazy fucking arsenals.

I'm really curious about this. Do you have often exemples of citizen defending themself successfully with guns?
I never see any news where It ends that way

I only see exemple of people getting a tons of weapon easily for mass murder and children killing by accident with their parent's gun

[tbdog]

I'm really curious about this. Do you have often exemples of citizen defending themself successfully with guns? I never see any news where It ends that way I only see exemple of people getting a tons of weapon easily for mass murder and children killing by accident with their parent's gun


I don't know what the stats are of civilians stopping a mass shooting from occurring as it is hard to analysis. Obviously civilians have stopped crimes, robberies for example. Unsure if guns were used or not. Some are off duty cops. But civilians stopping a mass shooting whilst it is occurring is extremely rare. In the last 5 years in America there has been about 1500 mass shootings. The number that were stopped by civilians would be incredibly low.


Here in Australia we had 13 mass shootings between 79 and 96. Since the ban? Zero. Guns kill people. Pretty simple.

[exstatic]

I'm 100% sure laws will be written from this.

Nope. If the blood of twenty six 5 and 6 year olds at Sandy Hook didn’t do it, nothing will.

[bic50]

There is no argument for not having gun control. Has trump addressed your nation yet?
What kind of gun control?

[bic50]

I don't know what the stats are of civilians stopping a mass shooting from occurring as it is hard to analysis. Obviously civilians have stopped crimes, robberies for example. Unsure if guns were used or not. Some are off duty cops. But civilians stopping a mass shooting whilst it is occurring is extremely rare. In the last 5 years in America there has been about 1500 mass shootings. The number that were stopped by civilians would be incredibly low.


Here in Australia we had 13 mass shootings between 79 and 96. Since the ban? Zero. Guns kill people. Pretty simple.
Many of those mass shootings happen where guns aren't allowed. Like a movie theater people with ccw aren't allowed to take their firearms in so they just leave them in their vehicle or at home. Someone with bad intentions knows when they go into a places like that that there will no little to no resistance from anyone in there.

[Atl Spur]

Nope. If the blood of twenty six 5 and 6 year olds at Sandy Hook didn’t do it, nothing will.

Sad but true! Bless those little souls! We should be ashamed if we continue to have let them died in vain!

[Atl Spur]

there needs to be detectors or something of the sort for all public gathering locations.

[ceds]

Nope. If the blood of twenty six 5 and 6 year olds at Sandy Hook didn’t do it, nothing will.

I've only been in Texas twice and it was a total fucking shock to me....i had no idea that kind of culture existed until then.

Try to hold out some hope....maybe not now with Trump .....unfortunately it will take more of these events to hopefully force the change.

As disgusting as this sounds....in the 50's or 60's you could purchase a licence to hunt aboriginal or Torres straight islanders (i.e guys like Patty) and shoot them down with no reprieve.

We also had something called "the stolen generation" where entire generations were separated from their families & put into camps.

[bic50]

I've only been in Texas twice and it was a total fucking shock to me....i had no idea that kind of culture existed until then.

Try to hold out some hope....maybe not now with Trump .....unfortunately it will take more of these events to hopefully force the change.

As disgusting as this sounds....in the 50's or 60's you could purchase a licence to hunt aboriginal or Torres straight islanders (i.e guys like Patty) and shoot them down with no reprieve.

We also had something called "the stolen generation" where entire generations were separated from their families & put into camps.
Force what kind of change? A complete ban on firearms ?

[ceds]

Force what kind of change? A complete ban on firearms ?

No - just semi automatics and tightening the licence controls.

Basically make it as hard as possible for any redneck, gang banger etc to legally purchase a gun.

[Dex]

there needs to be detectors or something of the sort for all public gathering locations.

There usually are.

That wouldn't have stopped this from happening since the shots came from a block away at a major hotel.

The only thing that would've prevented this particular tragedy is metal detectors and bag searches going into any high-rise hotel...and I don't see that happening ever.

[ducks]

yep lets stripe search everyone going into hotels now
hell people bitch about the security now at the airports

[Dex]

yep lets stripe search everyone going into hotels now
hell people bitch about the security now at the airports

I'm not saying that it's reasonable or warranted. I'm just saying that is the only way they would've caught this particular gunman.

[ducks]

well people go hunting the need to bring the rifles into hotel to spend the night
grant it you do not need 10 but still in vegas I would not want to leave a rifle in my car overnight

[ducks]

people will find things to kill people with if they make guns harder to get
in cal they made a pipe bomb, they have used buckets

there is no simple answer
and certain areas in country have highest gun control laws and most murders per year

think most people should not have a machine gun but the black market would sell them

[bic50]

No - just semi automatics and tightening the licence controls.

Basically make it as hard as possible for any redneck, gang banger etc to legally purchase a gun.
A gang banger cant and wont purchase a firearm legally. If they have a criminal record they won't be walking out a gun store with a gun and also if they won't want anything to be traced back to them if they use it for illegal activity. And it seems like any gun advocate is called a redneck in these types of discussions. Many people just want a firearm for protection. Especially for home.

[Dex]

well people go hunting the need to bring the rifles into hotel to spend the night
grant it you do not need 10 but still in vegas I would not want to leave a rifle in my car overnight

I agree. It's probably better in the hands of a responsible gun owner in their room than it is in someone's car where it could be stolen by a criminal.

That is assuming that the gun owner isn't a raving nutjob who is gonna open fire on a crowd of innocent people.

Unfortunately, there is no simple or easy solution that would have prevented this...short of making semi-automatic weapons more difficult or impossible to legally obtain. The common argument is "criminals will find a way", but it has been discovered that many of the weapons used in this case were bought legally and that Paddock passed all the background checks. There are also tons of loopholes to get around those as well (gun shows, private sales, etc...)

[dbestpro]

I don't know why people get to this level, but I do know that as long as people live to insult one another not in jest, but in earnest, then nothing will ever get better.

[ducks]

people should write people that make laws or go to meetings political meetings

[ducks]

"A lot of people on the left are saying, 'oh, if we only did this background check,'" Ingraham said of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock "He would have passed the background check. If we outlawed machine guns, very difficult to get. So that wouldn't have helped. And I saw them on networks this morning, what specifically would have stopped this? They actually have no constitutional answer.

Government can not solve everything

[ducks]

The Las Vegas Death Toll Happens Every MONTH In Chicago

[moisaenz]

Evil doesn't exist it's all relative.

[ceds]

bicA gang banger cant and wont purchase a firearm legally. If they have a criminal record they won't be walking out a gun store with a gun and also if they won't want anything to be traced back to them if they use it for illegal activity. And it seems like any gun advocate is called a redneck in these types of discussions. Many people just want a firearm for protection. Especially for home.

Agreed (especially about your gang banger point).

I have no idea the amount of guns in USA & imagine it's 10000x more then anything we ever had in Aus but when we had our amnesty (guns for cash) it took many guns out of peoples homes and as a result we have had no issues

Especially in Melbourne.....aside from a drug war in the early 2000's it's been very peaceful here since the change was made.

responsible adults who pass all the criteria can legally purchase licence then rifles or a handgun only. That's the way it's here i think.....This is not something i keep up to date or have much knowledge about tbh
The only times i've ever even fired guns was in SE Asia


Just saying the response should be to make it as hard as possible for any US citizen to legally purchase a fire-arm (even though in this particular case it wouldn't have mattered since their were no indications & he likely would have passed these control tests anyway)

Putting these controls in place and taking guns out of homes would be a major step in the right direction.....You have so many guns in America & very liberal laws (again i don't know exactly what they are)

We are different countries so im not saying i have the solution at all but you can look at other nations as an example to see how this type of action can work.

[tbdog]

Many of those mass shootings happen where guns aren't allowed. Like a movie theater people with ccw aren't allowed to take their firearms in so they just leave them in their vehicle or at home. Someone with bad intentions knows when they go into a places like that that there will no little to no resistance from anyone in there.

It doesn't matter when the next state over doesn't have a gun control. And I just wondering, what would all those convert goers would be doing if that had guns. The guy was shooting them from a couple of hundred meters away.

[tbdog]

This Aussie knows best.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22196394_1498585290190343_4443098799881569144_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=91dfc822d799b966fb47da44d2068864&oe=5A3A3ADB

[tbdog]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22196394_1498585290190343_4443098799881569144_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=91dfc822d799b966fb47da44d2068864&oe=5A3A3ADB

You can't win. All stats are against you.

http://i1.wp.com/ukzambians.co.uk/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/can.gif

[xellos88330]

Why not just make bullets expensive as fuck to buy? Then people can have their guns. If you want cheap ammo for the range, then you could still purchase the rounds at the range, but would have to be checked before you leave so no ammunition exit the premises. I would also set up a database showing how much ammunition was purchased and who purchased it as well as limit the size of a box of ammunition in stores like Cabela's etc. I would say 1 box every quarter is allowed. If you are using say an assault rifle, then the amount of ammunition allowed is drastically reduced. Once a person exceeds a certain amount of ammunition purchased, they are required by law to have their premises searched and will be unable to purchase the ammunition for the weapon for a year. Once the duration is up, then the database clears and the limit is lifted again. If a person purchases ammunition for another, then it is an illegal purchase and will be punished to the full extent of the law which includes prison time and loss of the ability to purchase ammunition permanently. If you commit a crime with a firearm, you also lose the ability to purchase ammunition as well as lose your right to possess a firearm.

[tbdog]

Any solution is a good solution. But this gun culture needs to change. Unfortunately it won't overnight. And America will continue to be de-sensitize while the rest of the world shakes their head.

[Atl Spur]

This Aussie knows best.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4

Classic! Funny but true!!

[bic50]

It doesn't matter when the next state over doesn't have a gun control. And I just wondering, what would all those convert goers would be doing if that had guns. The guy was shooting them from a couple of hundred meters away.
There wasn't much those concert goers could do the guy apparently was a millionaire and had it planned for atleast a week.

[bic50]

Any solution is a good solution. But this gun culture needs to change. Unfortunately it won't overnight. And America will continue to be de-sensitize while the rest of the world shakes their head.
What exactly needs to change? From what I understand automatic weapons are illegal or extremly hard to get. But should people now not be allowed to own firearms for self defense? Who in the rest of the world is shaking their heads?

[bic50]

You can't win. All stats are against you.

http://i1.wp.com/ukzambians.co.uk/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/can.gif
Im sure much of those homicides are coming from gang violence.

[benfti]

Prayers don’t do shit, changing your laws do you sick fucks.

[Brazil]

Im sure much of those homicides are coming from gang violence.

:lol because in other countries there are no gang violence... you just put stupid bar at another level tbh

[bic50]

:lol because in other countries there are no gang violence... you just put stupid bar at another level tbh
You're obviously too stupid to understand what I was saying.

[bic50]

Prayers don’t do shit, changing your laws do you sick fucks.
What kind of changes?

[Brazil]

You're obviously too stupid to understand what I was saying.

I understood perfectly you are a dumb fuck trumpards pro gun red neck... :lol

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22279525_1498582666857272_589384251823927015_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=9a440695f4f951a280945e2be5da8cd9&oe=5A493EA4

[ducks]

In emails revealed by WikiLeaks, Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign chairman wanted mass shooters to be white and was upset that the media reported the name of an Islamic terrorist who was involved in the San Bernardino terrorist attack that killed 14.

[bic50]

I understood perfectly you are a dumb fuck trumpards pro gun red neck... :lol
It's pretty obvious you didn't. How the fuck can anyone have an actual discussion about this shit with dumb shitheads like you?

[Brazil]

It's pretty obvious you didn't. How the fuck can anyone have an actual discussion about this shit with dumb shitheads like you?

It's pretty obvious you love your guns and you love Donald laughing stock of the world Trump, it's all we need to know about you tbh... I have actually 0 interest about having an actual discussion with a dumb fuck like you bro... no offense but our education and general IQ are too different for that... :lol

:cry but but self defense :cry how other countries can survive without guns in each house :cry

[BSfromTX]

It's pretty obvious you love your guns and you love Donald laughing stock of the world Trump, it's all we need to know about you tbh... I have actually 0 interest about having an actual discussion with a dumb fuck like you bro... no offense but our education and general IQ are too different for that... :lol

:cry but but self defense :cry how other countries can survive without guns in each house :cry

second amendment was not about self defense as it was to protect the people from tyranny/government. Your arrogance and insulting posts are incredible. Since you are so sure of yourself and everyone else’s lack of knowledge or intelligence, then please do share with us your background and superb “education”.

[bic50]

It's pretty obvious you love your guns and you love Donald laughing stock of the world Trump, it's all we need to know about you tbh... I have actually 0 interest about having an actual discussion with a dumb fuck like you bro... no offense but our education and general IQ are too different for that... :lol

:cry but but self defense :cry how other countries can survive without guns in each house :cry
You're just posting a bunch of bullshit. Wtf is wrong with you? And you're not interested in having an actual discussion because you can't. Which is probably why you resort to spewing insults and name calling.

[boutons_deux]

"to protect the people from tyranny/government."

You Lie

you're a duped sucker for BigGun/NRA LIES

[DAF86]

second amendment was not about self defense as it was to protect the people from tyranny/government. Your arrogance and insulting posts are incredible. Since you are so sure of yourself and everyone else’s lack of knowledge or intelligence, then please do share with us your background and superb “education”.

You need to watch the last part of those videos someone posted, tbh. :lol

[DAF86]

You are all kinds of fucked up, tbh. Every example in the World shows that stricter gun regulations greatly diminished the number of massacres. I don't know why some of you are trying to argue against such a clear fact, tbh.

If you want to defend the right to bare guns, just take another angle and talk about personal liberties or shit like that, but don't try to sell the idea that the laughable facility to get guns in the US doesn't influence at all the ungodly amount of massacres that occur there.

[Brazil]

second amendment was not about self defense as it was to protect the people from tyranny/government. Your arrogance and insulting posts are incredible. Since you are so sure of yourself and everyone else’s lack of knowledge or intelligence, then please do share with us your background and superb “education”.

dumbass, the claim about self defense has been made by bic50 ... learn to read and then come back at me about education.

[Brazil]

You're just posting a bunch of bullshit. Wtf is wrong with you? And you're not interested in having an actual discussion because you can't. Which is probably why you resort to spewing insults and name calling.

I'm not interested in having an actual discussion because you are an imbecile

[Brazil]

You are all kinds of fucked up, tbh. Every example in the World shows that stricter gun regulations greatly diminished the number of massacres. I don't know why some of you are trying to argue against such a clear fact, tbh.

If you want to defend the right to bare guns, just take another angle and talk about personal liberties or shit like that, but don't try to sell the idea that the laughable facility to get guns in the US doesn't influence at all the ungodly amount of massacres that occur there.

All those guys live in a twilight zone where having near one gun per capita is ok and where Trump is doing great :lol

[cd98]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.231c20fe4a42

I've never owned a gun and I've only fire a shotgun twice in my life. I'm no gun advocate, but I found this interesting from a liberal statistician formerly o FiveThirty Eight.

[tbdog]

What exactly needs to change? From what I understand automatic weapons are illegal or extremly hard to get. But should people now not be allowed to own firearms for self defense? Who in the rest of the world is shaking their heads?


Because you don't need guns for self defense. That's a myth manufactured by the gun nuts. Many many countries have gun control and no need to have guns for self defense. Simply every control with gun control has lowered mass shootings. Every statistics out there goes against you by owning a gun. It's more likely that you would use it on yourself or your kids than you using it for protection.

[callo1]

Those statistics on gun related deaths count suicide by gun.

Sure, get rid of guns and we can have more nut jobs park fertilizer bombs outside of government buildings. ..but hey, gun related deaths would certainly go down.

Maybe if we make murder legal we can really make crime drop...at least for statistics sakes.

Don't own a gun, but I want our 2nd amendment right protected. Our government should, and needs to respect /fear us.

If you really want to save lives, then support strict "regulation" of alcohol, but I do not hear do gooders clamoring for that. ..I guess it isn't in vogue. 88,000 die each year from alcohol related deaths compared to 13,000 in gun related, again, that number includes suicide by gun.


Here are some statistics for you:

1. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves against their ethnic-cleansing government, were arrested and exterminated.

2. In 1929, the former Soviet Union established gun control as a means of controlling the “more difficult” of their citizens. From 1929 to the death of Stalin, 40 million Soviets met an untimely end at the hand of various governmental agencies as they were arrested and exterminated.

3. After the rise of the Nazi’s, Germany established their version of gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves against the “Brown Shirts”, were arrested and exterminated. Interestingly, the Brown Shirts were eventually targeted for extermination themselves following their blind acts of allegiance to Hitler. Any American military and police would be wise to grasp the historical significance of the Brown Shirts’ fate.

4. After Communist China established gun control in 1935, an estimated 50 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves against their fascist leaders, were arrested and exterminated.

5. Closer to home, Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayans, unable to defend themselves against their ruthless dictatorship, were arrested and exterminated.

6. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves from their dictatorial government, were arrested and exterminated.

7. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million of the “educated” people, unable to defend themselves against their fascist government, were arrested and exterminated.

8. In 1994, Rwanda disarmed the Tutsi people and being unable to defend themselves from their totalitarian government, nearly one million were summarily executed.

The total numbers of victims who lost their lives because of gun control is approximately 70 million people in the 20th century. The historical voices from 70 million corpses speak loudly and clearly to those Americans who are advocating for a de facto gun ban. Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined. Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals and it all followed gun control.

[tbdog]

Those statistics on gun related deaths count suicide by gun. Sure, get rid of guns and we can have more nut jobs park fertilizer bombs outside of government buildings. ..but hey, gun related deaths would certainly go down. Maybe if we make murder legal we can really make crime drop...at least for statistics sakes. Don't own a gun, but I want our 2nd amendment right protected. Our government should, and needs to respect /fear us. If you really want to save lives, then support strict "regulation" of alcohol, but I do not hear do gooders clamoring for that. ..I guess it isn't in vogue.


Yes, gun related deaths also include suicide. But your reducing suicide if they didnt get guns. How paranoid are you to think nut jobs are blowing up buildings. And how will having a gun stop nut jobs from blowing up civilians? And how will having guns stop a bomber? It won't, so guns are worthless there. I mean, yes, bombs happen, see England, but it's less than the mass shootings that America are having like every day. Plus Boston bombing killed three and injured a few hundred. That's far less than vegas. Guns are not saving lives. England is coming back to take back America, and the peasants are not going to overtake the government. Every country that has gun control has lowered the shootings. Thats real life and not some fantasy of needing to protect yourselves.


Plus watch the video. It's not only funny but very accurate representation on the issue.

[BSfromTX]

Everyone is preaching gun control because the glowing box in the living room is telling them to do so. If anyone thinks corporate media and the federal government has our best interests at heart, they are so mistaken.

[callo1]

Yes, gun related deaths also include suicide. But your reducing suicide if they didnt get guns. How paranoid are you to think nut jobs are blowing up buildings. And how will having a gun stop nut jobs from blowing up civilians? And how will having guns stop a bomber? It won't, so guns are worthless there. I mean, yes, bombs happen, see England, but it's less than the mass shootings that America are having like every day. Plus Boston bombing killed three and injured a few hundred. That's far less than vegas. Guns are not saving lives. England is coming back to take back America, and the peasants are not going to overtake the government. Every country that has gun control has lowered the shootings. Thats real life and not some fantasy of needing to protect yourselves.


Plus watch the video. It's not only funny but very accurate representation on the issue.

Alcohol related deaths 88,000 per year, guns 13,000

Talk to that

[bic50]

I'm not interested in having an actual discussion because you are an imbecile
No we both know the actual reason why and it's because you cant. Just call names. Thanks for proving my point

[bic50]

Because you don't need guns for self defense. That's a myth manufactured by the gun nuts. Many many countries have gun control and no need to have guns for self defense. Simply every control with gun control has lowered mass shootings. Every statistics out there goes against you by owning a gun. It's more likely that you would use it on yourself or your kids than you using it for protection.
But there have been plenty of times people have actually fended off home invasions and robberies at businesses with a firearm in self defense.

[callo1]

Everyone is preaching gun control because the glowing box in the living room is telling them to do so. If anyone thinks corporate media and the federal government has our best interests at heart, they are so mistaken.

^^^^^^^^^^^
Truth

[cd98]

Yes, gun related deaths also include suicide. But your reducing suicide if they didnt get guns. How paranoid are you to think nut jobs are blowing up buildings. And how will having a gun stop nut jobs from blowing up civilians? And how will having guns stop a bomber? It won't, so guns are worthless there. I mean, yes, bombs happen, see England, but it's less than the mass shootings that America are having like every day. Plus Boston bombing killed three and injured a few hundred. That's far less than vegas. Guns are not saving lives. England is coming back to take back America, and the peasants are not going to overtake the government. Every country that has gun control has lowered the shootings. Thats real life and not some fantasy of needing to protect yourselves.


Plus watch the video. It's not only funny but very accurate representation on the issue.

Gun control won’t reduce suicide by guns. If a person wants to shoot themselves, they’ll be able to get a gun legally just by going through all the proposed gun control measures. The only way to stop gun by suicide is to completely remove access to guns, which is politically and constitutionally unrealistic and will only open up a black market for guns. The reforms would be better focused on mental health in the suicide scenario.

[ceds]

What kind of changes?


A total ban on semi automatic weapons & tightening on controls.

ive had a very quick google & can see the semi's are legal in many states....this needs to stop immediately. (along with tighter regulations.

With Trump at the helm?.....not a chance in hell of this happening anytime soon.

[cd98]

Alcohol related deaths 88,000 per year, guns 13,000

Talk to that

You cant blame people for wanting to “do something” when horrible mass shootings happen. It would be hard to imagine being trapped and under gun fire fearing that any second could be your last. That is a haunting thought. I can’t imagine what those survivors went through in Vegas and the heartache of losing loved ones that were with you at a concert. Unfortunately, the gun reforms people talk about will do nothing to stop mass shootings and most of the people talking about gun reform know little about guns. Me included. I’ve never owned one.

[cd98]

A total ban on semi automatic weapons & tightening on controls.

ive had a very quick google & can see the semi's are legal in many states....this needs to stop immediately. (along with tighter regulations.

With Trump at the helm?.....not a chance in hell of this happening anytime soon.

Im not defending Trump, but if there ever was a person who could get gun control it’s Trump. But even he can’t win against the millions of Americans in both parties that want guns. Obama had a super majority. He could’ve passed any gun control he wanted. He didn’t bc it would’ve been electoral suicide. Same with the other dems in office. They just like to politicize mass shootings for that smaller, liberal base that is pro gun control. But they will never act other than for show bc the rest of their party would revolt.

[ceds]

Im not defending Trump, but if there ever was a person who could get gun control it’s Trump. But even he can’t win against the millions of Americans in both parties that want guns. Obama had a super majority. He could’ve passed any gun control he wanted. He didn’t bc it would’ve been electoral suicide. Same with the other dems in office. They just like to politicize mass shootings for that smaller, liberal base that is pro gun control. But they will never act other than for show bc the rest of their party would revolt.

I'm not going to pretend i know because i have no clue whatsoever about american politics (other then what i see n TV in world news which is trump always fucking up in one way or another)

If he is the right person for the change then great!

It would do wonders for his image and show the world he is no redneck supporter.

[bic50]

A total ban on semi automatic weapons & tightening on controls.

ive had a very quick google & can see the semi's are legal in many states....this needs to stop immediately. (along with tighter regulations.

With Trump at the helm?.....not a chance in hell of this happening anytime soon.
sorry read your post wrong. Thought you said total ban semi automatic rifles. Might have to oppose a ban on all semi auto weapons though.

[ceds]

This Aussie knows best.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4

One of my favorite Aussie comedians. I've never been to a live show but that Netflix special is some funny shit.

[bic50]

I'm not going to pretend i know because i have no clue whatsoever about american politics (other then what i see n TV in world news which is trump always fucking up in one way or another)

If he is the right person for the change then great!

It would do wonders for his image and show the world he is no redneck supporter.
Not all gun advocates are rednecks though.

[ceds]

I'm actually not opposed to that.

Great then hopefully everyone in the US can get behind this agenda with Trump leading the charge!

[cd98]

Not all gun advocates are rednecks though.

Thats true and a big reason why people that want gun control continually fail to get it. Reducing the many Americans that own guns and use them responsibly to “rednecks” is tone deaf and ignorant of just how wide spread gun ownership is across all socioeconomic classes.

[tbdog]

But there have been plenty of times people have actually fended off home invasions and robberies at businesses with a firearm in self defense.

Plenty? Very very few. And robberies usually get solved. Too much scientific evidence these. Bring a gun to a gun fight and someone is getting hurt.

[tbdog]

Alcohol related deaths 88,000 per year, guns 13,000 Talk to that

America tried banning alcohol. It didn't go well. So the western world legislates it. Put age requirements. Train staff to serve drinks responsible. Put huge taxes on it to address medical bills associated with it. Educate young people. Ban activities like driving while under the influence. Drugs are also a issue. You reduce it as much as you can. Make it illegal.

[tbdog]

Gun control won’t reduce suicide by guns. If a person wants to shoot themselves, they’ll be able to get a gun legally just by going through all the proposed gun control measures. The only way to stop gun by suicide is to completely remove access to guns, which is politically and constitutionally unrealistic and will only open up a black market for guns. The reforms would be better focused on mental health in the suicide scenario.


A lot of suicide is spontaneous and sometimes fuled by being under the influence so they not thinking straight. They at the most vulnerable, so taking away their means to do it by shooting yourself will make a difference. No access to guns then then they not shooting themselves. Those who plan it, yes they can, but they can find other methods to do it. Stopping those from committing suicide takes an entire community: friends, family, mental health experts. But you want to stop the spontaneous ones. And i rather attend a hanging rather than a bullet to the head.

[tholdren]

America tried banning alcohol. It didn't go well. So the western world legislates it. Put age requirements. Train staff to serve drinks responsible. Put huge taxes on it to address medical bills associated with it. Educate young people. Ban activities like driving while under the influence. Drugs are also a issue. You reduce it as much as you can. Make it illegal.

Texting and driving more dangerous

[cd98]

A lot of suicide is spontaneous and sometimes fuled by being under the influence so they not thinking straight. They at the most vulnerable, so taking away their means to do it by shooting yourself will make a difference. No access to guns then then they not shooting themselves. Those who plan it, yes they can, but they can find other methods to do it. Stopping those from committing suicide takes an entire community: friends, family, mental health experts. But you want to stop the spontaneous ones. And i rather attend a hanging rather than a bullet to the head.

Yes, but what if they owned a gun before they had any suicidal thoughts? The problem with stopping suicides requires, like you say, community and mental health solutions. Gun control will have little to no impact on dropping suicide rates. Therein lies the problem, most gun control measures are politically motivated and do nothing to stop gun violence. The only way to ensure no gun violence is to take away all guns, which is not tenable politically and is unconstitutional. And given the number of guns in America, outlawing them only creates a black market that is wholly unregulated and more dangerous.

[BSfromTX]

dumbass, the claim about self defense has been made by bic50 ... learn to read and then come back at me about education.

Then why didn’t you correct him? I assumed maybe you were not aware since you failed to mention it.

[tbdog]

Yes, but what if they owned a gun before they had any suicidal thoughts? The problem with stopping suicides requires, like you say, community and mental health solutions. Gun control will have little to no impact on dropping suicide rates. Therein lies the problem, most gun control measures are politically motivated and do nothing to stop gun violence. The only way to ensure no gun violence is to take away all guns, which is not tenable politically and is unconstitutional. And given the number of guns in America, outlawing them only creates a black market that is wholly unregulated and more dangerous.


But your stopping the spontaneous suicides. So yes it would help. The constitution can change. Heck it changed to abolish slavery. The real issue here is the following: every western country that has strict gun control has reduced mass shooting significantly. America has a mass shooting issue. Guns are killing people. Kids are killing themselves by playing with the gun. The pros for tightening gun control completely outweighs the cons. This cowboy patriotic shit is making your country dangerous and increasing the paranoia.

[tbdog]

Texting and driving more dangerous


And at least in my state and country, texting while driving is illegal. Besides I hsve not read ever of a text driving killing 60 people and injury 500. Also it's apples and oranges.

[callo1]

America does not have a mass shooting problem in the sense of it being a pervasive and frequent problem that is causing massive amounts of death per year.

I mentioned that gun homicide rate statistics include suicide, and some how arguments turned to focus on that. My point was that those gun homicide statistics are inflated as a result.

Statistics can sometimes lead us down the wrong path unless we truly dissect the information. Case in point. There is a place in Zion National Park called Angels Landing. By the statistics it is a very dangerous place to attempt to climb because the "numbers " of fatalities that occur each year...darn scary place until you find out that a vast majority of people who die climbing Angel Falls intend to die doing so. Many suffer terminal illnesses, or mental problems, so they just jump when ascending to the peak of the falls.

So we should ban that place according to the "statistics " then, right? No, we look inside the numbers and understand them.

Yes, I am more than well aware that the ban on alcohol aka prohibition failed, and was repealed. But we are still talking 88,000 fatalities per year that happen due to drinking and driving compared to 13,000 by guns.

It is a fallacy to offer one solution (prohibition ) and say we tried it, it failed, and offer no other options.

We need to start moving involuntary manslaughter charges to something higher and more punitive.

Now we have this gun problem though, because it is sensationalized, with a large number of fatalities taking place at one time. By no way do I want to minimize those lives lost in such an incident, as it would be a disrespectful thing to do so, but some how we turn a blind eye to alcohol related deaths when driving is concerned. ..why is that? Fewer death during a single event, but far more events, and politically speaking, it isn't good practice to go after big alcohol. Far too many contributions made to politicians by the Millers, Coors, etc.

But when we have 13,000 deaths by guns per year. The "glowing box" leads people on this political agenda to take away our second amendment...and PLEASE, do not compare the second and 13th amendment. The 13th was an added amendment to abolish slavery
Whereas people are proposing taking an amend mentioned away. That is an apples to fake plastic fruit comparison.

And can we please stop with the Nevada gun laws allow fully automatic weapons nonsense. It is illegal to posses fully automatic weapons in the US, but where there is a will, there is a way. These lunatics that commit these heinous crimes don't stop to ponder the legality of their actions beforehand. If it isn'the guns, it will be some other mechanism of destruction.

How often do we talk about the guns that save people's lives...pretty much never, as it doesn't fit in the agenda.

Again, I do not own a gun, but I fully support our 2nd amendment rights. I do not affiliate myself with any major political party, and find myself being and equal opportunity basher of both the extreme right and extreme left.

I can not contain myself when it comes to the extreme left wanting to "save lives" every time we have a "mass shooting ". Where is the far left when it comes to punitive action for offenders of these heinous crimes? They are the same ones (Susan Sarandon) who oppose victim impact statements, and work to get these offenders reduced sentences for crimes, and thus, get these scumbags released back into the population, so they can offend again....sometimes the hypocrisy just reaches levels beyond insanity.

Gun related deaths are down significantly compared to the 1990's. Do why is it drawing so much attention now? Social media related political agenda.

Out.

[Brazil]

Then why didn’t you correct him? I assumed maybe you were not aware since you failed to mention it.

smh... made fun of it... not enough ?

[cd98]

But your stopping the spontaneous suicides. So yes it would help. The constitution can change. Heck it changed to abolish slavery. The real issue here is the following: every western country that has strict gun control has reduced mass shooting significantly. America has a mass shooting issue. Guns are killing people. Kids are killing themselves by playing with the gun. The pros for tightening gun control completely outweighs the cons. This cowboy patriotic shit is making your country dangerous and increasing the paranoia.


Gun reforms that are sought cannot be justified bc it might deter 10 people in a year from shooting themselves spontaneously (assuming they don’t already own a gun anyway). If that was how we regulated, everything would be illegal. The constitution is incredibly hard to change and takes the will of the people. Here, you might get 5% of the country to agree on banning guns under the constitution. This is a pointless conversation that isn’t based in reality.