called it on Simmons

[duncan2k5]

been right so far...he has been outplaying green by a wide margin this preseason...he definitely should have been on the roster...we need slashers like him that have grit...but i guess pop rather one dimensional wings that can only either shoot or defend...i pray murray becomes the slasher we need...because once we play the good teams, they'll just stay at home on everyone, and our 3 point game wont open up

[Seventyniner]

:lol preseason

Danny can shoot and defend. He is better than Simmons at both of those things.

[Joseph Kony]

its preseason retard. lol this guy with his hot takes. "spurs defense is to stay on their man and let 1 guy beat them!" gtfo :lmao

[rjv]

judging a performance by preseason is almost as bad as judging one by an all-star game. defense is at a minimum in both. didn't loyd "sweet pea" daniels average around 21 points per game in a pre-season?

[Mr. Body]

Preseason, motherfucker. He also plays for a team that's not competing for anything. He can rack up whatever stats he wants. For the Spurs he was too erratic at the position to be counted on for much.

[RD2191]

Danny Brick Green is fukin garbage. I'd take J Simms over him any day.

[Chinook]

Danny Brick Green is fukin garbage. I'd take J Simms over him any day.

Real-talk: If Silver gets his wish to put a team in Mexico City, are you going to stop following the Spurs?

[RD2191]

Real-talk: If Silver gets his wish to put a team in Mexico City, are you going to stop following the Spurs?

You bet your ass I am.

[DAF86]

Simmons eager to showcase himself against his former team on a meaningless preaseason game where nobody plays defense to avoid injuries. No shit he was going to have a good game. :lol

[rjv]

Simmons eager to showcase himself against his former team on a meaningless preaseason game where nobody plays defense to avoid injuries. No shit he was going to have a good game. :lol
exactly. it wasn't as if he went all vernon maxwell on us.

[ginobilized]

Glad Simmons got a chance elsewhere. Hope he has a good year.

He might've helped us win a few games, but not worth it at that price. He was also affected by the Chris Paul and Kyrie Irving re-shuffling, I'd imagine. He'also probably drop 25 against us in a real game.

Doubt he will be in the league in 5 years.

[ducks]

hope he puts up big numbers but he still is bad for being a number one or 2 option


leonard would shut his ass down

teams will focus on him and his numbers will go down later

[AFMadison]

You bet your ass I am.
Build that wall!

[NameLess Scrub]

He'll prob. score 24ppg vs SA, 8ppg against the rest of the league

[SupremeGuy]

You bet your ass I am.Shut the fuck up lol really man?

Not like this Rob, not like this... :cry

[BillMc]

Danny can shoot and defend. He is better than Simmons at both of those things.

[hater]

Danny Brick Green is fukin garbage. I'd take J Simms over him any day.

pretty much

:lmao at the homers

[hater]

Build that wall!

Keep Mexico safe tbqh

[hater]

seriously are retards still gonna say Danny will "turn it on in the playoffs" this time??

that ship sailed years ago. dude is trash and Manure is worse which makes it sad

[dabom]

Keep Mexico safe tbqh

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Danny Green can shoot and defend? :lol fluffers that haven't watched a Spurs game in 4 years outting themselves

Also LMFAOOO at the faggots in here acting like Simmons didn't outplay that chicken legged fucker in the postseason too.

Simmons dropping 20 & 10 while Green went scoreless is a perfect summary for their careers right now

[sananspursfan21]

For what it's worth, Danny improved his "playmaking" ability last season. He put it on the floor a few times and it didn't look awful...again for what it's worth :downspin:

[hater]

For what it's worth, Danny improved his "playmaking" ability last season. He put it on the floor a few times and it didn't look awful...again for what it's worth :downspin:

Didnt look awful but looked college level not even NBDL level tbh

Embarrasing

[Hoops Czar]

Simmons looked good playing with and against third stringers. Great for his confidence.

[DMC]

been right so far...he has been outplaying green by a wide margin this preseason...he definitely should have been on the roster...we need slashers like him that have grit...but i guess pop rather one dimensional wings that can only either shoot or defend...i pray murray becomes the slasher we need...because once we play the good teams, they'll just stay at home on everyone, and our 3 point game wont open up

Best wishes for Simmons, but he's not really even starter material on a team that's not tanking.

[DMC]

Real-talk: If Silver gets his wish to put a team in Mexico City, are you going to stop following the Spurs?

The Mexico City Riverwalkers... two different meanings.

[Play Boban]

:lol preseason :lol

[tonight...you]

The Mexico City Riverwalkers... two different meanings.
You are a bad, bad man...
I laughed. I laughed hard.

[RD2191]

You are a fat, fat man...
I laughed. I laughed hard.

Fify

[tonight...you]

Fify
So your saying... If he was tossed in that "river" there's no need to know how to swim, he'd float whether he could dog-paddle, or not?
Is that what you're saying?

Velly intelesting...


I'm stroking my beard in the most evil manner right now...

[hater]

Best wishes for Simmons, but he's not really even starter material on a team that's not tanking.

Neither are Green, Mills and Gasoft tbqh

[duncan2k5]

:lol preseason

Danny can shoot and defend. He is better than Simmons at both of those things.

Is he better than Simmons as a player?

[duncan2k5]

Simmons eager to showcase himself against his former team on a meaningless preaseason game where nobody plays defense to avoid injuries. No shit he was going to have a good game. :lol

Bro... U are talking as if this was his only good game for the preseason... He has been more impressive than Danny... Imagine Danny on the magic... It would be tragic

[duncan2k5]

hope he puts up big numbers but he still is bad for being a number one or 2 option


leonard would shut his ass down

teams will focus on him and his numbers will go down later

Imagine Danny as a number one or 2 option...

[Capt Bringdown]

Green is a ghost, a space-filler, a has-been, yesterday's news.
FFS, at least Simmons is fun to watch on occasion.

Spurs new colors should be power blue and rosé, as in a sentimental trip down memory lane. Fuck me, expecting dried up old turds like Green to bloom into basketball players because 2014 or some such mealy-mouthed shite.

[hater]

Good points

Green is a has been and he was never that good to begin with.

[DMC]

Neither are Green, Mills and Gasoft tbqh

Neither are a lot of people, but we're talking about Simmons.

[DAF86]

Bro... U are talking as if this was his only good game for the preseason... He has been more impressive than Danny... Imagine Danny on the magic... It would be tragic

Again, preseason. F level defense, folks trying at 10% on that end. It's dumb to hype what a guy does during the preseason. And in any case, I would love to see Simmoms advanced stats. He's the type of player that would put some decent looking raw numbers, but when you got to see his true impact it's never very positive.

[DeRozan m8]

Danny may well be the worst starter in the whole league.

[TheGreatYacht]

Danny may well be the worst starter in the whole league.
I don't know, Fathead starts a couple of games here and there.

[Rocalcio]

He won’t have a good season.

[Rocalcio]

You bet your ass I am.

Bye then. :lol

[hater]

Come to think of it we now have one of the worst rosters inbthe whole league

[DeRozan m8]

I don't know, Fathead starts a couple of games here and there.

:rollin :rollin :rollin

[Mikeanaro]

It took a lot of time but finally lots of posters gave up on DG.

[diego]

I get frustrated by green sometimes but :lol at Simmons, at his age Danny was already a starter for a top 4 team.
And :lol at basing the judgement on 3 preseason games as if they have any meaning

[TheGreatYacht]

I get frustrated by green sometimes but :lol at Simmons, at his age Danny was already a starter for a top 4 team.
And :lol at basing the judgement on 3 preseason games as if they have any meaning
:lol no. Green started because Keith Bogans was the starter in 2010, and then Manu started nearly every game in 2011. They literally had no one and kept experimenting in 2012.

Green just happened to fall in a better situation where as Simmons was the 3rd string SG behind D-League & Manu, who are unbenchable because of "corporate knowledge"

[TheGreatYacht]

Simmons outplayed every SG on this roster all of last season and the postseason... so to see him drop double doubles on them in the preseason is no surprise :lol

Wasn't white washed enough for PATFO.

[bic50]

Wish Spurs kept Simmons.

[duncan2k5]

Again, preseason. F level defense, folks trying at 10% on that end. It's dumb to hype what a guy does during the preseason. And in any case, I would love to see Simmoms advanced stats. He's the type of player that would put some decent looking raw numbers, but when you got to see his true impact it's never very positive.

Both him and Green are playing the same preseason...

He is younger than green and has way more upside

Green is one dimensional on offense, and his defense is overrated... It took Simmons to wreck harden defensively, who was torching green beforehand

[DAF86]

Both him and Green are playing the same preseason...

He is younger than green and has way more upside

Green is one dimensional on offense, and his defense is overrated... It took Simmons to wreck harden defensively, who was torching green beforehand

Green is ten times more important than Simmons for a contending team. Simmons doesn't play efficient winning basketball.

[james evans]

:lol preseason

Danny can shoot and defend. He is better than Simmons at both of those things.
Danny Green hasn't been able to shoot or defend in 4 years

[UZER]

Danny Green hasn't been able to shoot or defend in 4 years

Not since they really stopped calling carrying.

[Rocalcio]

Danny Green hasn't been able to shoot or defend in 4 years


That’s probably why he was named in the NBA’s all defensive second team last season...

[duncan2k5]

That’s probably why he was named in the NBA’s all defensive second team last season...

Reputation as opposed to reality... Kobe was a perennial first team defensive SG... We all know that was the furthest thing from the truth

[exstatic]

Reputation as opposed to reality... Kobe was a perennial first team defensive SG... We all know that was the furthest thing from the truth

They put guys like Kobe or LeBron on the All D team based on rep, but not blue collars like Bowen or Green. If you’re not a star, you EARN your way on to All D.

[sasaint]

Both him and Green are playing the same preseason...

He is younger than green and has way more upside

Green is one dimensional on offense, and his defense is overrated... It took Simmons to wreck harden defensively, who was torching green beforehand

Danny is improving right before our eyes. Last season he learned to dribble almost as well as Bonner, and I haven't seen him clank a single layup this entire preseason.

[raybies]

Danny is improving right before our eyes. Last season he learned to dribble almost as well as Bonner, and I haven't seen him clank a single layup this entire preseason.
Yeah true, his finishing thus far has been very impressive. What I saw is that his shot starting going astray when he started trying to drive the ball in and not be 1 dimensional as a lot would like to think. And although I can't stand end-of-possession-fadeaway-shooting-danny-green, his all around game has indeed improved. If it took three+ years to develop the drive and in between game and he shoots lights out again, I guess it's all been worth it.

[duncan2k5]

Yeah true, his finishing thus far has been very impressive. What I saw is that his shot starting going astray when he started trying to drive the ball in and not be 1 dimensional as a lot would like to think. And although I can't stand end-of-possession-fadeaway-shooting-danny-green, his all around game has indeed improved. If it took three+ years to develop the drive and in between game and he shoots lights out again, I guess it's all been worth it.

LMFAO!!! U guys really think Danny Green has a NBA level driving game? Unbelievable! There are guys I know down the street that dribble and finish better tha him

[TheGreatYacht]

19 points in 20 minutes off the bench today against Cleveland in Cleveland.

Big game player doing big game player thangs

[raybies]

Wade needs to come off the bench. They need shooting in the SL and Wade has played like crap starting. I don't think it needs to be said that Calderon was starting and they had no PG after... That's not a good way to set the tone. We'll see if they can put egos aside and do what's best for the team.

[TheGreatYacht]

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[james evans]

There are people that will side with a player knowing they are trash just because they don't want to admit they were wrong. Danny green is fuckin garbage.

[Capt Bringdown]

Wow. Spurs really screwed the pooch. Most fucked-up off season EVAH.

[tonight...you]

Wow. Spurs really screwed the pooch. Most fucked-up off season EVAH.
Right? They're about to go 35 and 42 and, if they're lucky to make the playoffs, lose via sweep in the 1st round.
Garbage ish.

[Chinook]

Simmons scoring 11/19 points in garbage time.

:lol big game player.

[vander]

Simmons scoring 11/19 points in garbage time.

:lol big game player.

as opposed to Mills who...

[unleashbaynes]

I'll take Green over Simmons.

[Em-City]

as opposed to Mills who...
Can hit threes at a decent clip?

[Chinook]

as opposed to Mills who...

Damn, I forgot this was a thread about Mills.

[YGWHI]

Why can't we just be happy for Simms?

I'm so glad he's getting minutes and shots in Orlando. Like I enjoy watching Bynes being loved for Boston fans this season.

Except RJ...Once a Spurs, always a Spur.

[TheGreatYacht]

Some posters get so mad when Simmons play well :lol still holding grudges even after he's done outplaying Fathead and Green

[Prose]

Why can't we just be happy for Simms?

I'm so glad he's getting minutes and shots in Orlando. Like I enjoy watching Bynes being loved for Boston fans this season.

Except RJ...Once a Spurs, always a Spur.


i enjoy seeing baynes playing big minutes in Boston too!!! God for him. Remember when he was drunk walking out the club in LA and was like “thanks mate” to the poparazzi and Timmy was like “shut the fuck up”

[TheDoctor]

i enjoy seeing baynes playing big minutes in Boston too!!! God for him. Remember when he was drunk walking out the club in LA and was like “thanks mate” to the poparazzi and Timmy was like “shut the fuck up”
Baynes was wasted as shit :lol That happens when you get posterized over and over w/o mercy.

[gospursgojas]

There are people that will side with a player knowing they are trash just because they don't want to admit they were wrong. Danny green is fuckin garbage.

This goes for the President too

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol Chinook @SAGuy

[duncan2k5]

......

[weeks]

simmons shit all over us

[Capt Bringdown]

Good thing we signed a roster full of trash players and let Simmons go, eh Pop?

[Chinook]

I have Simmons on my ST fantasy team, so I'm okay with his performance. I'm not concerned with the Spurs losing tonight. It was bound to happen. LMA still looked good, and everyone else has tape to work on. Of course, Green's still been better this year, even though Simmons has been good for some fantasy stats.

[Spurtacular]

I'll take Green over Simmons.

Agreed; but not Mills over Simmons, tbh.

[Ice009]

Agreed; but not Mills over Simmons, tbh.

Yep. Not Mills or Gasol over Simmons for double and triple the money either. They paid Patty double and Gasol almost triple. Terrible decisions. Simmons was easily worth 8-10 million. I don't value him overall more than Danny, but with the current market, he probably should have gotten what DG's currently getting paid.

[Spurtacular]

Yep. Not Mills or Gasol over Simmons for double and triple the money either. They paid Patty double and Gasol almost triple. Terrible decisions. Simmons was easily worth 8-10 million. I don't value him overall more than Danny, but with the current market, he probably should have gotten what DG's currently getting paid.

Spurs could've got back Mills in a trade when whomever he signed for realized he was a system player.

Gasoft has defensive value in playoff match-ups that is hard to replace. He was key to beating Houston. From game to game in the regular season he is often hard to watch.

[DMC]

921923340310159361

Had to be someone from here :lol

[8FOR!3]

Good thing we signed a roster full of trash players and let Simmons go, eh Pop?

RC Buford is the GM. Now I'm not trying to say Pop doesn't have a say in it, he probably does. But we don't really know how much do we? We were always going to pay Patty, he took the cheaper deal last year, so he was gonna get a better deal this time around. Obviously the front office sees something in him.

[tholdren]

4 games into the season

[Prose]

Agreed; but not Mills over Simmons, tbh.

that is my biggest gripe....especially since we have murry now....can you play simmons vs the warriors (due to needing to switch everything on the perimeter) =YES
can you play mills vs the warriors = NO

[tholdren]

that is my biggest gripe....especially since we have murry now....can you play simmons vs the warriors (due to needing to switch everything on the perimeter) =YES
can you play mills vs the warriors = NO

This isnt true

[Prose]

This isnt true

we literally watched this last season in the playoffs....he can maybe guard curry however when they run a pick and we switch you don't want him on klay, dray, andre, and KD

[tholdren]

we literally watched this last season in the playoffs....he can maybe guard curry however when they run a pick and we switch you don't want him on klay, dray, andre, and KD

Ok. Thats like saying you cant play lma in any playoff game sibce his playoffs were shit

[Spurtacular]

that is my biggest gripe....especially since we have murry now....can you play simmons vs the warriors (due to needing to switch everything on the perimeter) =YES
can you play mills vs the warriors = NO

[Play Boban]

been right so far...he has been outplaying green by a wide margin this preseason...he definitely should have been on the roster...we need slashers like him that have grit...but i guess pop rather one dimensional wings that can only either shoot or defend...i pray murray becomes the slasher we need...because once we play the good teams, they'll just stay at home on everyone, and our 3 point game wont open up
:cry Would you like a cookie? :cry

[Prose]

Ok. Thats like saying you cant play lma in any playoff game sibce his playoffs were shit

That’s not what I said at all. It’s a matter of size

[tholdren]

That’s not what I said at all. It’s a matter of size

Its not

[duncan2k5]

:cry Would you like a cookie? :cry

Oatmeal raisin plz

[MVPCues]

Oatmeal raisin plz

In a perfect world, no other type of cookie would exist...

[duncan2k5]

In a perfect world, no other type of cookie would exist...

Sigh... One can only dream...

[Play Boban]

Oatmeal raisin plz
:bobo

[SAGirl]

924849225082564608

Turns out he didn't like being called the Juice either...

[james evans]

People are going to go to their graves not admitting that green is fucking garbage and Simmons is a better player

[TimDunkem]

Simmons is clearly the better player.

Value to a team is separate from that and can be argued, but there shouldn't be any doubt that he's a better ball player than Green.

[SpursforSix]

https://static.tumblr.com/7b66a0e1d7b6817cf4e1aab99c41aa26/ru2xsy2/Zbmnel4x0/tumblr_static_tumblr_static_filename_640.jpg

[Brazil]

we should have kept Simms and trade Kyle tbh... I was right per par

[duncan2k5]

we should have kept Simms and trade Kyle tbh... I was right per par

[dabom]

we should have kept Simms and trade Kyle tbh... I was right per par

[Hoops Czar]

we should have kept Simms and trade Kyle tbh... I was right per par

[TimDunkem]

we should have kept Simms and trade Kyle tbh... I was right per par

[K...]

Trading Kyle wouldn't clear enough $$ for Simmons nor fix his relationship with pop. Now dumping pau otoh...

[SAGirl]

Trading Kyle wouldn't clear enough $$ for Simmons nor fix his relationship with pop. Now dumping pau otoh...
:toast
Guys here are worse than women scorned. He chose to leave and they still crying about it.

[21209]

Trading Kyle would have been next to impossible.

I doubt there would have been teams that would have even given the Spurs a conditional second round picks for him.

[TheGreatYacht]

we should have kept Simms and trade Kyle tbh... I was right per par

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Green >>> Simmons. Not even close.

[duncan2k5]

Green >>> Simmons. Not even close.

LMFAO! Everytime someone says this... Green has a trash game, and Simmons continues to be good

[sasaint]

Simmons is clearly the better player.

Value to a team is separate from that and can be argued, but there shouldn't be any doubt that he's a better ball player than Green.

This. Simmons was never going to play like this under Pop. He now has some freedom to spread his wings.

[SuperCam]

20/7/4 on 7-12 shooting. :depressed



:downspin: that PATFO suckers

[TheGreatYacht]

20/7/4 on 7-12 shooting. :depressed



:downspin: that PATFO suckers
Same night Green gets bukkaked by Brown and Smart. Shit must hurt son Chinook

[spursistan]

Can't spin this shit..The Magic have gotten a steal with Simmons at that price so far..:lol

[TimDunkem]

This. Simmons was never going to play like this under Pop. He now has some freedom to spread his wings.

I think he could've. Honestly, he deserved the Manu role and should've swapped minutes with him, Patty should've been let go so Forbes could take his spot. Brandon Paul could've then been brought in to fill in the empty spot.

PATFO brought back the wrong guys.

[TheGreatYacht]

Simmons was Orlando's only signing, and now they're sitting at the top of the east and he's the runaway 6MOY

Cant believe folks couldn't realize he was legit when he locked up Harden and torched HOU without Kawhi....

[TimDunkem]

Simmons was Orlando's only signing, and now they're sitting at the top of the east and he's the runaway 6MOY

Cant believe folks couldn't realize he was legit when he locked up Harden and torched HOU without Kawhi....

"b-b-but...but...but da' advanced stats say Simmons is a net negative player :cry"

[TheGreatYacht]

"b-b-but...but...but da' advanced stats say Simmons is a net negative player :cry"
"B-b-b-but he can't dribble. That's why he doesn't deserve Danny minutes"

[$pursDynasty]

I wanted to keep the Juice but in the end he wanted out and took less ,money to leave so that's that.

[sasaint]

I think he could've. Honestly, he deserved the Manu role and should've swapped minutes with him, Patty should've been let go so Forbes could take his spot. Brandon Paul could've then been brought in to fill in the empty spot.

PATFO brought back the wrong guys.

PATFO absolutely brought back the wrong guys, but I still think Simms made the right decision to go to a team where he wouldn't get Pooped on.

[marinoman]

People that hated and continue to hate on Simmons are pathetic, wish the spurs made more of an effort to keep him. Wish him the best, good player, great story

[TimDunkem]

PATFO absolutely brought back the wrong guys, but I still think Simms made the right decision to go to a team where he wouldn't get Pooped on.

Agreed.

[DAF86]

20/7/4 on 7-12 shooting. :depressed



:downspin: that PATFO suckers


Can't spin this shit..The Magic have gotten a steal with Simmons at that price so far..:lol


Simmons was Orlando's only signing, and now they're sitting at the top of the east and he's the runaway 6MOY

Cant believe folks couldn't realize he was legit when he locked up Harden and torched HOU without Kawhi....


"b-b-but...but...but da' advanced stats say Simmons is a net negative player :cry"

We got BP3 for Simmons. Who is a better player for 1/7th of the price.

[SequSpur]

I agree Simmons is the real fucking deal. He used us all night long the other night, I'm buying his Magic jersey.

Ducks is a retard.

[DAF86]

We got BP3 for Simmons. Who is a better player for 1/7th of the price.

Although I will admit that I would rather have signed Simmons for the contract he got than signing Mills and Pau for the contracts they got.

[SAGirl]

I think he could've. Honestly, he deserved the Manu role and should've swapped minutes with him, Patty should've been let go so Forbes could take his spot. Brandon Paul could've then been brought in to fill in the empty spot.

PATFO brought back the wrong guys.
One wonders why he didn’t want to come back and that can very well be the reason. He was only going to play like that with a full green light and a system that suit his game. He wasn’t going to achieve his potential in the Spurs being a system player. It’s like I have to repeat it. He didn’t want t stay here.

One can question why he didn’t want to stay here but he didn’t and it wasn’t Kyle. They were very good friends and Kyle had nothing to do with him not getting what he wanted. PATFO did what Manu back, Patty etc, and Simmons wanted to grow up, spread his wings, freedom.

[SequSpur]

I Declare Bullshit... Simmons wanted a deal and Pop wanted to keep Manu, Pau, Anderson and Mills around for whatever reason. Simmons is a good guy and taking the high road. He wanted to be here, I know that for a fact. He is letting Pop off the hook.

Spurs suck.

[vy65]

I think he could've. Honestly, he deserved the Manu role and should've swapped minutes with him, Patty should've been let go so Forbes could take his spot. Brandon Paul could've then been brought in to fill in the empty spot.

PATFO brought back the wrong guys.

[vy65]

We got BP3 for Simmons. Who is a better player for 1/7th of the price.

Or pay twice as much as Simmons makes and get you a fatty mills

[SAGirl]

I Declare Bullshit... Simmons wanted a deal and Pop wanted to keep Manu, Pau, Anderson and Mills around for whatever reason. Simmons is a good guy and taking the high road. He wanted to be here, I know that for a fact. He is letting Pop off the hook.

Spurs suck.
Anderson gets like 2 mill a season and is nowhere in the stratosphere of what Pau and Mills are earning. For Manu, it isn’t so much the money since he’s in a good contract but the fact that he consumes possessions, playing Time , and the role that JSimms wanted. If you just want to hate on Kyle that’s fine but he had nothing to do with that. Wouldn’t surprise me to see the balling again in the summer or something.

[TimDunkem]

We got BP3 for Simmons. Who is a better player for 1/7th of the price.
Wouldn't call him a better player yet, tbh. Too early.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Should've let patty go and given Simmons patty's money

[TimDunkem]

One wonders why he didn’t want to come back and that can very well be the reason. He was only going to play like that with a full green light and a system that suit his game. He wasn’t going to achieve his potential in the Spurs being a system player. It’s like I have to repeat it. He didn’t want t stay here.

One can question why he didn’t want to stay here but he didn’t and it wasn’t Kyle. They were very good friends and Kyle had nothing to do with him not getting what he wanted. PATFO did what Manu back, Patty etc, and Simmons wanted to grow up, spread his wings, freedom.
I don't think he necessarily didn't want to. He was just smart enough to know Pop would never trust him over old man Manu and give him the 6th man role he deserves.

[DAF86]

I don't think he necessarily didn't want to. He was just smart enough to know Pop would never trust him over old man Manu and give him the 6th man role he deserves.

Simmons was the first wing off the bench over Manu at the end of last season, tbh. He got a lot more minutes than Manu.

[SAGirl]

I don't think he necessarily didn't want to. He was just smart enough to know Pop would never trust him over old man Manu and give him the 6th man role he deserves.
You put it succinctly but it’s basically what I meant. So long as Pop has the bar of soap everything will be alright (in his mind). Then they also couldn’t pay him what he initially wanted which was in Mills Vecinity. He spoke a lot about feeling restricted by the Spurs not feeling free to play his game and make mistakes. He’s hapoy where’s he’s at. Why can’t guys just be happy for him?

[Ice009]

It's pretty simple. Pop and the FO insist on bringing back over the hill players and giving them the minutes Simmons should have been getting. That's why he left. He should have been getting Manu's regular minutes and Manu should have been getting his sporadic/fill in minutes.

I said we should have let Patty go, and you would have only had to pay Simmons 8-10M to come back. Less than Patty for a better player. Disastrous off-season decisions from the FO.

[Chinook]

Same night Green gets bukkaked by Brown and Smart. Shit must hurt son Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

I got Brown on my fantasy team too (and Rozier), so not really. Incidentally, fantasy completely changes one's perspective on games.

[TimDunkem]

Simmons was the first wing off the bench over Manu at the end of last season, tbh. He got a lot more minutes than Manu.

I'm doubtful that would have extended into this season, but it's all speculation now.

[TimDunkem]

I got Brown on my fantasy team too (and Rozier), so not really. Incidentally, fantasy completely changes one's perspective on games.

So do I; I replaced Hayward with him when he went down. I also have Irving and Horford, so this game wasn't all bad from my perspective. :lol

[DAF86]

I'm doubtful that would have extended into this season, but it's all speculation now.

Simmons would be starting right now instead of Anderson. If he would have played well then no way Pop relegates him to any other thing than 6th man of the team, tbh.

[TimDunkem]

Simmons would be starting right now instead of Anderson. If he would have played well then no way Pop relegates him to any other thing than 6th man of the team, tbh.

Perhaps, but would he have the role he wanted? Simmons didn't think so.

[DAF86]

Perhaps, but would he have the role he wanted? Simmons didn't think so.

Simmons was never very fond of San Antonio to begin with. To me it is clear that neither the Spurs nor Simmons tried very hard to stick together, tbh.

[TimDunkem]

Simmons was never very fond of San Antonio to begin with. To me it is clear that neither the Spurs nor Simmons tried very hard to stick together, tbh.
You're probably right, tbh

[DMC]

As soon as Simmons slumps off folks here will be looking the other way, pretending they never said shit about it.

He's in the beginning stages of being a journeyman player. He's not worth keeping around because he doesn't do anything better than anyone else on the team but he does it good enough for to give them a breather.

[SAGirl]

Simmons would be starting right now instead of Anderson. If he would have played well then no way Pop relegates him to any other thing than 6th man of the team, tbh.
Anderson is only starting bc Kawhi is injured. Even in games he played well (tonight was his worst game imo) I was concerned for him bc his playing time is not guaranteed. I hadn’t even seen BP3 play this well when I made that comment. It’s about what role he would have if everyone was healthy and when the Spurs has Patty, Manu and one of Rudy or Pau off the bench I don’t think he would have gotten the same opportunities frankly. In a healthy Spurs he’d still be 9th it 10.th guy feeling restricted, the whole whizz he talked about. One can’t hate him for wanting to spread his wings for real, instead of having to wait for guys to get injured or others to get rested to get his chance. He said it: he wanted to compete against the elite nightly. He didn’t like getting benched for mistakes... Pop’s shenanigans he didn’t like that shit. Just be happy from r him ppl.

Also so on the other side of the coin, BP3 and Rudy Gay have played well, until everyone is healthy it’s unfair to judge Pops real vision yet.

[DAF86]

Anderson is only starting bc Kawhi is injured. Even in games he played well (tonight was his worst game imo) I was concerned for him bc his playing time is not guaranteed. I hadn’t even seen BP3 play this well when I made that comment. It’s about what role he would have if everyone was healthy and when the Spurs has Patty, Manu and one of Rudy or Pau off the bench I don’t think he would have gotten the same opportunities frankly. In a healthy Spurs he’d still be 9th it 10.th guy feeling restricted, the whole whizz he talked about. One can’t hate him for wanting to spread his wings for real, instead of having to wait for guys to get injured or others to get rested to get his chance. He said it: he wanted to compete against the elite nightly. He didn’t like getting benched for mistakes... Pop’s shenanigans he didn’t like that shit. Just be happy from r him ppl.

Also so on the other side of the coin, BP3 and Rudy Gay have played well, until everyone is healthy it’s unfair to judge Pops real vision yet.

If Simmons would be here, he would be the one starting for Kawhi, not Kyle. Like it happened on the playoffs last season.

At the end of last season Simmons was already the first wing off the bench over Manu. If he had stayed, I don't see why he wouldn't have kept the same role, tbh.

[SAGirl]

Simmons was never very fond of San Antonio to begin with. To me it is clear that neither the Spurs nor Simmons tried very hard to stick together, tbh.
There’s a truth here too. He speaks fondly of the Spurs where he got his opportunities for the first time and he got the coaching and training he needed but he wanted to move on and the Spurs might have wanted him, but he wasn’t signed at 12:01 is all I will say. If they REALLY wanted him he would have been priority over the rest of the shizz they did.

[TimDunkem]

Wait...Simmons doesn't do ANYTHING better than ANYONE on the team?


:lmao

[SAGirl]

If Simmons would be here, he would be the one starting for Kawhi, not Kyle. Like it happened on the playoffs last season.

At the end of last season Simmons was already the first wing off the bench over Manu. If he had stayed, I don't see why he wouldn't have kept the same role, tbh.
No he wouldn’t have. Again there are injuries. When everyone is healthy was he going to still play ahead of Manu, Patty and Rudy Gay? No way. Kyle wouldn’t be a blip on the radar he was already the 11th guy last year. Are you saying he was going to come back to compete with Kyle again? No way. He wanted to be ahead of all of Manu, Patty, Gay etc and would have liked to have been compensated accordingly too.

[DAF86]

No he wouldn’t have. Again there are injuries. When everyone is healthy was he going to still play ahead of Manu, Patty and Rudy Gay? No way. Kyle wouldn’t be a blip on the radar he was already the 11th guy last year. Are you saying he was going to come back to compete with Kyle again? No way. He wanted to be ahead of all of Manu, Patty, Gay etc and would have liked to have been compensated accordingly too.

With everybody healthy, all of Mills, Manu, Gay and Simmoms would be getting minutes. Mills, Manu, Simmons, Gay and Lauvergne would be the line-up off the bench.

[SAGirl]

With everybody healthy, all of Mills, Manu, Gay and Simmoms would be getting minutes. Mills, Manu, Simmons, Gay and Lauvergne would be the line-up off the bench.
What minutes does he get? How many shots? Is Pop going to bench him as he makes a mistake in a play? Yes. He just didn’t want to come back to compete for small opportunities with Kyle or whomever. Spurs didn’t offer him the opportunities that the Magic offered him. It’s not that difficult to see tbh. You seem fixed with Kyle when you gave to look at a healthy roster, entrenched guys, Pops style, how do he system depresses guys shots and how Pop would have used mistakes he made as an opportunity to play someone else just bc that’s what Pop does. Someone remarked he wasn’t mentally strong since Pop did that with the big 3 at times too. He wasn’t going to get what he wanted.

[DAF86]

What minutes does he get? How many shots? Is Pop going to bench him as he makes a mistake in a play? Yes. He just didn’t want to come back to compete for small opportunities with Kyle or whomever. Spurs didn’t offer him the opportunities that the Magic offered him. It’s not that difficult to see tbh. You seem fixed with Kyle when you gave to look at a healthy roster, entrenched guys, Pops style, how do he system depresses guys shots and how Pop would have used mistakes he made as an opportunity to play someone else just bc that’s what Pop does. Someone remarked he wasn’t mentally strong since Pop did that with the big 3 at times too. He wasn’t going to get what he wanted.

You are the one fixed with Kyle, tbh. :lol

I only mentioned Anderson because Simmons would be taking his place on the starting lineup right now with Kawhi out, nothing more.

And regarding what Kind of role Simmons would have with everyone healthy, I'm telling you that at the end of last season he had already surpassed Manu as the first wing off the bench, so it's pretty safe to assume that he would have kept that role, tbh.

[DMC]

Wait...Simmons doesn't do ANYTHING better than ANYONE on the team?


:lmao

If you do something better than anyone on the team, you're the best at it. That's not the same as saying you do something better than any one particular individual, but your amphibology is duly noted.

[BackHome]

Players want to play they don’t want to sit and they don’t want to be with the second stringers. He left for decent money and a good chance to get starting minutes.

[TheGreatYacht]

64 points over his last 3 games, all done coming off the bench.

Good for him for leaving this mediocre senile coach who was misusing him. Pop closed the Pacers game with Manure who was 0/6. He knew Manure was going to be ahead of him as does everyone. Jackson wasn't lying when he said Poop plays his favorites, no matter how trash they are.

[SAGirl]

Players want to play they don’t want to sit and they don’t want to be with the second stringers. He left for decent money and a good chance to get starting minutes.
:tu
Not difficult to see he wasn’t going to get the same opportunities + he still mentioned feeling restricted not being able to make lay through ugh mistakes and a whole host of other reasons. He chose to move on and he’s happy.... Jezzus

[SAGirl]

You are the one fixed with Kyle, tbh. :lol

I only mentioned Anderson because Simmons would be taking his place on the starting lineup right now with Kawhi out, nothing more.

And regarding what Kind of role Simmons would have with everyone healthy, I'm telling you that at the end of last season he had already surpassed Manu as the first wing off the bench, so it's pretty safe to assume that he would have kept that role, tbh.
Ok fair enough. Just you weren’t the only one mentioning Kyle which is irrelevant. He wasn’t coming back to compete with Kyle. He wanted a bigger role, more minutes, opportunities starter level minutes if he was playing well, a role etc. Coming back to the status quo wasn’t going to cut it. To pay him Spurs had to let Mills go bc he wanted more than he got eventually. If the Spurs wanted him he would have gotten 12:01. Was he worthy of that? At the time I didn’t think he was. Raybies and Sasaint and others thought so. It didn’t matter bc he wanted to see what else was out there and eventually found a better fit.

[Hoops Czar]

"b-b-but...but...but da' advanced stats say Simmons is a net negative player :cry"

In Pop's system, he would be and that's a fact. Simmons wouldn't have amounted to anything here. It's better he went somewhere where he'd get a decent amount of burn because Pop always prioritizes veterans and seniors over inexperienced/young players. He's one of the most overrated coaches in the NBA.

[r0drig0lac]

Green >>> Simmons. Not even close.

For those who do not understand what they're watching, probably.

[r0drig0lac]

We got BP3 for Simmons. Who is a better player for 1/7th of the price.
no, he is not, besides 3pt he does nothing better than Simmons, he is undersized and this will show against elite teams, However, it is much better than Mills or Forbes, not that it means anything.

[DAF86]

no, he is not, besides 3pt he does nothing better than Simmons, he is undersized and this will show against elite teams, However, it is much better than Mills or Forbes, not that it means anything.

Paul can playmake without turning it over half the time, tbh. Also, Paul defensive numbers are better than Simmons right now, not that that is very hard to do since Simmons defensive numbers are pretty shitty, tbh.

[dbestpro]

When the best teams in the league are athletic, at some point you must counter with athleticism. Simmons provided that and more. He is missed. The only true reason he is not on the team is he did not kiss the ring of Pop enough. Pop takes all the credit when the team does well, so he should take all the credit when it does not. Pop has turned into Woody Hayes.

[Ice009]

There’s a truth here too. He speaks fondly of the Spurs where he got his opportunities for the first time and he got the coaching and training he needed but he wanted to move on and the Spurs might have wanted him, but he wasn’t signed at 12:01 is all I will say. If they REALLY wanted him he would have been priority over the rest of the shizz they did.

I understand where he's coming from. If I was him, I would have left too. It seems like they didn't treat him like a priority, they didn't seem to want to tell him he'll get Manu's minute or regular court time, they just mishandled the whole thing to overpay two scrubby players. I wonder if both Kawhi and LMA wanted him back. LMA and KA were tight with him, and I always used to see Kawhi cheer hard for him when he made a great play, so I think Kawhi liked him quite a bit.

I hope I don't log onto Spurstalk from now until the trade deadline and see a thread with Kawhi asking to be traded.

[duncan2k5]

If Kyle was playing like Simmons, ppl on here would be jizzing themselves...all im seeing is a lot of sour grapes

[duncan2k5]

Ok fair enough. Just you weren’t the only one mentioning Kyle which is irrelevant. He wasn’t coming back to compete with Kyle. He wanted a bigger role, more minutes, opportunities starter level minutes if he was playing well, a role etc. Coming back to the status quo wasn’t going to cut it. To pay him Spurs had to let Mills go bc he wanted more than he got eventually. If the Spurs wanted him he would have gotten 12:01. Was he worthy of that? At the time I didn’t think he was. Raybies and Sasaint and others thought so. It didn’t matter bc he wanted to see what else was out there and eventually found a better fit.

and all of you were wrong...like we were saying at the time...simmons is even better than Danny Green, tbh...Danny Green's defense isnt MILES ahead of Simmons' defense (he WAS the only one to absolutely lock down harden last playoffs), plus danny has his defensive impact increased because he plays alongside the other starters, who are the best defensive players on the team...Simmons in that same role would excel...on the other hand, Simmons is WAAAAY more dynamic and consistent offensively because he doesnt just rely on shooting...he slashes, and passes well...2 things we need on this team, and 2 things danny is absolutely trash at doing...

[duncan2k5]

Paul can playmake without turning it over half the time, tbh. Also, Paul defensive numbers are better than Simmons right now, not that that is very hard to do since Simmons defensive numbers are pretty shitty, tbh.

Simmons passes better than Kyle (check the stats both last year and this year...and Kyle gets so much props for his alleged passing ability

[SAGirl]

and all of you were wrong...like we were saying at the time...simmons is even better than Danny Green, tbh...Danny Green's defense isnt MILES ahead of Simmons' defense (he WAS the only one to absolutely lock down harden last playoffs), plus danny has his defensive impact increased because he plays alongside the other starters, who are the best defensive players on the team...Simmons in that same role would excel...on the other hand, Simmons is WAAAAY more dynamic and consistent offensively because he doesnt just rely on shooting...he slashes, and passes well...2 things we need on this team, and 2 things danny is absolutely trash at doing...
this is all irrelevant. I don't think you have read anything that he has said in several interviews about his departure.
He didn't want to come back. Part of the reason is he's with a different coach and system. He has more freedom. He is happy. He can play freely, he's trusted by his coach. He gets more touches, more opportunities, and isn't in a restricted system.
There is a chance that had he come back he wouldn't have been much better than regular season Simmons last year playing in Pop's system. He wanted to grow his game and spread his wings and he didn't feel like he could do that in the Spurs (his words). I am happy for him tbh.. you should too.

[rjv]

there are some things i miss about simmons but i think paul could eventually be a better fit.

[duncan2k5]

this is all irrelevant. I don't think you have read anything that he has said in several interviews about his departure.
He didn't want to come back. Part of the reason is he's with a different coach and system. He has more freedom. He is happy. He can play freely, he's trusted by his coach. He gets more touches, more opportunities, and isn't in a restricted system.
There is a chance that had he come back he wouldn't have been much better than regular season Simmons last year playing in Pop's system. He wanted to grow his game and spread his wings and he didn't feel like he could do that in the Spurs (his words). I am happy for him tbh.. you should too.

show me once where he said he didnt wanna come back, and ill concede

[SAGirl]

show me once where he said he didnt wanna come back, and ill concede
it's in several threads. .. some of it on his church, some of it in some other threads. there is an article about it in the orlando magic website with the most recent interview he gave, there is one in pounding the rock... he gave several interviews at the time he signed that contract, and he also gave some at the media day with the magic, and most recently prior to the game the Spurs had in Orlando... there were several you can track them down.

[duncan2k5]

it's in several threads. .. some of it on his church, some of it in some other threads. there is an article about it in the orlando magic website with the most recent interview he gave, there is one in pounding the rock... he gave several interviews at the time he signed that contract, and he also gave some at the media day with the magic, and most recently prior to the game the Spurs had in Orlando... there were several you can track them down.

not puying it...post exact quote, or it didnt exist...i dont wanna see some vague quote like "i felt like my opportunities were better here"....that doenst say he didnt want to come back, that says he wanted to, but Pop and FO werent willing to give him what he deserves in terms of money and opportunity

[SAGirl]

ok whatever I am not making it up but it's in several threads and I don't want to chase that down for you. for a Jsimms fan you really haven't kept up with what he has really been up to and interviews he has given.

[duncan2k5]

ok whatever I am not making it up but it's in several threads and I don't want to chase that down for you. for a Jsimms fan you really haven't kept up with what he has really been up to and interviews he has given.

i know you hate me, but i love you though:spin

[SuperCam]

925367439562543105

:cry but but but BP3 is better :cry

:cry simmons didn't understand det culture :cry

[SAGirl]

This is going to be the new Scola.. I am convinced.

[rjv]

This is going to be the new Scola.. I am convinced.
quite likely. and brandon paul may become the equivalent to tiago splitter. remember, it was the drafting of splitter that led to the ultimate decision to pass on signing scola. and splitter turned out to be a good fit for what the spurs were doing at that time.

[daslicer]

This is going to be the new Scola.. I am convinced.

This reminds me more of the Jax situation after '03. Jax left the spurs in '03 despite the spurs offering him the most money on the market which he still felt was not good enough. He signed a 1 year deal with the Hawks which were a terrible team back then and became a 20 point scorer. From '03-'07 they were multiple threads about how the Spurs should have kept Jax despite winning in '05 and '07. I feel this situation will be like that.

[TheGreatYacht]

This reminds me more of the Jax situation after '03. Jax left the spurs in '03 despite the spurs offering him the most money on the market which he still felt was not good enough. He signed a 1 year deal with the Hawks which were a terrible team back then and became a 20 point scorer. From '03-'07 they were multiple threads about how the Spurs should have kept Jax despite winning in '05 and '07. I feel this situation will be like that.
Yup, they both had problems with the conservative coach who played favorites as well. Same situation except Spurs ain't winning shit until those 50 Million contracts to Flabby and Gasoft end :lol

[SAGirl]

quite likely. and brandon paul may become the equivalent to tiago splitter. remember, it was the drafting of splitter that led to the ultimate decision to pass on signing scola. and splitter turned out to be a good fit for what the spurs were doing at that time.
Except in this case it was JSimms who wanted to play elsewhere, and worse than women scorned, some guys are still whining about it... and will continue to do so, endlessly the thought never entering their minds that JSimms is happy and chose where to play.

I wish JSimms well and I am happy he's playing well... that is all that there is to be said. My reference to Scola was more about him popping up endlessly in threads, for years even and it turning into a fruitless debate at that point.

[SAGirl]

This reminds me more of the Jax situation after '03. Jax left the spurs in '03 despite the spurs offering him the most money on the market which he still felt was not good enough. He signed a 1 year deal with the Hawks which were a terrible team back then and became a 20 point scorer. From '03-'07 they were multiple threads about how the Spurs should have kept Jax despite winning in '05 and '07. I feel this situation will be like that.
I didn't know about guys whining so much about Jax despite the Spurs having a championship team those years.... /whew

[TheGreatYacht]

I wish JSimms well and I am happy he's playing well... that is all that there is to be said.
Let's not lie now. You and a certain someone are the only ones who complain game by game when his name is brought up. It's no surprise, I mean you both wanted him cut last preseason for Garino.

If we're going to player fan, let's at least not hide the agendas.

[daslicer]

I didn't know about guys whining so much about Jax despite the Spurs having a championship team those years.... /whew

Those thread happened a lot in '04 and '06 when the Spurs lost to the Lakers and Mavs. They were a lot of fans that felt had the Spurs kept Jax they win in both of those years.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

For those who do not understand what they're watching, probably.

People give Simmons way too much credit for putting up decent numbers when Kawhi was hurt. I would bet DG's impact on the league, especially his playoff accomplishments, will far exceed anything Simmons does in his career.

[Hoops Czar]

925367439562543105

:cry but but but BP3 is better :cry

:cry simmons didn't understand det culture :cry

Just stop. :lol BP3's number are virtually identical to first year Jonathon Simmons. But some things never change for Simms... det negative differential (-5.3). :lol The magic are a better team when he's on the bench. Bottom line being the Magic would still be a 5-2 without his stat padding, I mean scoring punch and the Spurs would still be 4-3 with Simmons.

B-b-but he abused Danny Green :cry ? The whole league shits on Green so that's not really much of an accomplishment.

[james evans]

People give Simmons way too much credit for putting up decent numbers when Kawhi was hurt. I would bet DG's impact on the league, especially his playoff accomplishments, will far exceed anything Simmons does in his career.
Danny Green looked great on defense when Duncan and Leonard were on the floor with him. Duincan retired, defense went to shit. Leonard out this season as well, no duncan or leonard, he's a below average defender. Can't fight thru picks, won't fight thru picks, can't stay in front of his assignment, loses his assignment constantly, doesn't switch properly, help defense is terrible. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with him

[TimDunkem]

Danny Green looked great on defense when Duncan and Leonard were on the floor with him. Duincan retired, defense went to shit. Leonard out this season as well, no duncan or leonard, he's a below average defender. Can't fight thru picks, won't fight thru picks, can't stay in front of his assignment, loses his assignment constantly, doesn't switch properly, help defense is terrible. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with him
When you're getting torched by guys like Simmons, Hezonja, Oladipo, and Jaylen Brown, you're probably not really NBA All-Defense.

Can't wait to see how he fares against the better SG's in the league this year. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

^ absolute truth bombs those

[r0drig0lac]

Danny Green looked great on defense when Duncan and Leonard were on the floor with him. Duincan retired, defense went to shit. Leonard out this season as well, no duncan or leonard, he's a below average defender. Can't fight thru picks, won't fight thru picks, can't stay in front of his assignment, loses his assignment constantly, doesn't switch properly, help defense is terrible. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with him
the metrics of Danny (who always played most of the time with the starters) will be better, but as basketball player Simmons >>> Green

[duncan2k5]

This reminds me more of the Jax situation after '03. Jax left the spurs in '03 despite the spurs offering him the most money on the market which he still felt was not good enough. He signed a 1 year deal with the Hawks which were a terrible team back then and became a 20 point scorer. From '03-'07 they were multiple threads about how the Spurs should have kept Jax despite winning in '05 and '07. I feel this situation will be like that.

horrible comparison...Simmons wasn't offered a lot of money here, nor a decent role...Jax had a significant role in 03

[duncan2k5]

People give Simmons way too much credit for putting up decent numbers when Kawhi was hurt. I would bet DG's impact on the league, especially his playoff accomplishments, will far exceed anything Simmons does in his career.

DG has better playoff accomplishments than the greek Freak...is he better? face it...simmons is better than DG, and we would be better with him too

[duncan2k5]

Just stop. :lol BP3's number are virtually identical to first year Jonathon Simmons. But some things never change for Simms... det negative differential (-5.3). :lol The magic are a better team when he's on the bench. Bottom line being the Magic would still be a 5-2 without his stat padding, I mean scoring punch and the Spurs would still be 4-3 with Simmons.

B-b-but he abused Danny Green :cry ? The whole league shits on Green so that's not really much of an accomplishment.

the differential is a crap stat in certain cases...maybe without Simmons, the differential of the magic bench would be MUCH worse...everything has a context...

[duncan2k5]

Danny Green looked great on defense when Duncan and Leonard were on the floor with him. Duincan retired, defense went to shit. Leonard out this season as well, no duncan or leonard, he's a below average defender. Can't fight thru picks, won't fight thru picks, can't stay in front of his assignment, loses his assignment constantly, doesn't switch properly, help defense is terrible. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with him

IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEEEEARS! his defense is severely overrated!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

DG has better playoff accomplishments than the greek Freak...is he better? face it...simmons is better than DG, and we would be better with him too

I'd like the Spurs to still have both. Giving up Simmons and replacing him with lesser talent was a mistake.

[objective]

Some of the hoops people are jumping through to excuse the front office are funny. Similar to how people coped with Scola by blaming Scola and making up things rather than look at the front office.

Like Simmons adamantly not wanting to play for San Antonio or being won over with a new role. Or his comments being anything other than the normal things players are supposed to say about wanting to be with a new team.

Simmons made next to nothing in his career, and had to go begging to get sub-MLE with the third year only $1 million guaranteed to come off the bench for a lottery team. 3/18 declining with only 13.3 guaranteed isn't a prize.

Why on Earth would he have ever turned down more or even the same amount of money with more guaranteed? He wouldn't have because he knew Manu was almost done and Green could have easily been gone in a year. If he had a similar offer he would have leveraged Orlando into a full guarantee.

No, he didn't turn his back on the Spurs. This was all their choice, this is about the Spurs' judgement, not Simmons. The same front office that thought it was awesome to give $98 million to Gasol and Mills, with what, $87 guaranteed?

This was probably just being cheap and valuing giant contracts for non finishers in Gasol and Mills over reasonable money for Simmons.

Because even paying Simmons $4 million in place of Paul would have put the Spurs into the tax.

[TD 21]

Some of the hoops people are jumping through to excuse the front office are funny. Similar to how people coped with Scola by blaming Scola and making up things rather than look at the front office.

Like Simmons adamantly not wanting to play for San Antonio or being won over with a new role. Or his comments being anything other than the normal things players are supposed to say about wanting to be with a new team.

I've been as critical of the front office as probably anyone on this board this decade, but I'm not going to become a parody of myself or get caught up in a shtick and bash them just for the sake of it.

I believe Simmons wanted less to do with Spurs' culture than they wanted him in it. Obviously, someone in his position couldn't pick and choose, but I don't think he ever wanted anything to do with them beyond what it could mean for him by being associated with them for 2 years.

[Hoops Czar]

Magic and Grizzlies tied at the half but Simmons with det team worst +/- differential -12. How can the Spurs cope with the loss of this guy? :lol

[SuperCam]

Magic and Grizzlies tied at the half but Simmons with det team worst +/- differential -12. How can the Spurs cope with the loss of this guy? :lol

using +/- as a stat in 2017 to cape up for PATFO :lol

[SAGirl]

using +/- as a stat in 2017 to cape up for PATFO :lol
Dabom constatly uses it to cape for Mills. Simmons not having a good game though. 5 TO and not shooting well.

[Hoops Czar]

using +/- as a stat in 2017 to cape up for PATFO :lol
What does the PATFO have do with Simmons being an ordinary stat padding money whore who thinks he's all that when he's actually just another reincarnation of Malik Hairston? Way to lift that goal post out of the ground and implant it into your shithole.

[Hoops Czar]

Dabom constatly uses it to cape for Mills. Simmons not having a good game though. 5 TO and not shooting well.
You should talk with your obssessiveness over a total scrub.

[TimDunkem]

Simmons worst game of the season still better than Flabby's best. :lol

[SAGirl]

You should talk with your obssessiveness over a total scrub.
:lol

[dabom]

Dabom constatly uses it to cape for Mills. Simmons not having a good game though. 5 TO and not shooting well.

I use net also. I also use context. You should try it. Kyle minutes keeps going down. At this point, he has never shown any meaningful minutes. Unlike other players, PATFO have no reason to expect anything from him. He doesn't have a high ceiling or high floor. Don't expect to see him on a Spurs Jersey next season.

[SAGirl]

Pattys thing is inexplicable. I keep expecting him to bounce back... but he could be in for a bad season. That’s basically Danny of 2 years ago. I kept expecting his shooting to come back... he had an odd game he got hot but overall was much worse than the season prior. Lean times

[duncan2k5]

Plus minus on a team that has a bad bench is misleading

[SuperCam]

929359939394588672


budding two way 3 and D wing 6MOTY type :wow


can't :downspin:that one slurper krew.

[UZER]

Those thread happened a lot in '04 and '06 when the Spurs lost to the Lakers and Mavs. They were a lot of fans that felt had the Spurs kept Jax they win in both of those years.

I can say 04 for sure. That team had nobody with balls to shoot and hit big threes when needed. Or just hit threes period. That was why Parker vanished once the Lakers packed the paint. Horry absolutely shriveled against his former team, and Hedo was a complete no show.

Sjax had already proven to be tough mentally and physically, and could take and make big-time clutch shots. His confidence was sky high. Just look at what he did in ATL that same year.

[Capt Bringdown]

Some of the hoops people are jumping through to excuse the front office are funny. Similar to how people coped with Scola by blaming Scola and making up things rather than look at the front office.


This phenomenon is endemic to sports forums in general. When you can't talk about the matter at hand, change the subject to who is the biggest cheerleader. There ought to be a special section for these kiddies, in which they give each other circle jerks and gold stars.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol but but Randall Paul is better

[Bad Takes]

Simmons
Metu
Throw the roster away

Duncan2k5 basketball expert.

[exstatic]

This phenomenon is endemic to sports forums in general. When you can't talk about the matter at hand, change the subject to who is the biggest cheerleader. There ought to be a special section for these kiddies, in which they give each other circle jerks and gold stars.

Simmons is pure absolute garbage in Orlando, proving that his limited success WAS due to The System. Metu may be something down the road, but what he is now is a relatively clueless young man who doesn't understand NBA basketball. Neither are even replacement level players right now, let alone rotation level.

The only special section needed is for morons who think athleticism = NBA ability.

[bklynspursfan]

Simmons
Metu
Throw the roster away

Duncan2k5 basketball expert.

:wow

[Chinook]

What a short-lived thread this was, considering it was primed to be bumped every time Jon had a good game. Turned out, he sucked way too much to even warrant that.

[SAGirl]

Big disappointment tbh.

although it has to be said that he got a wrist fracture towards the end of last season and it definitely affected him.

I am glad that he got paid. NBA careers are short and his started relatively late. His story was quite uplifting. He should be thankful for his opportunity and life changing money. Wishing him the best obviously but he has been slumping badly.

[Dejounte]

Simmons
Metu
Throw the roster away

Duncan2k5 basketball expert.

LMAO this shows how short sighted most of these Debbie downers are.

[HarlemHeat37]

Completely forgot about this nigga until I was watching yesterday’s Raptors game..he got benched in the 2nd half and is apparently on the verge of being removed from the rotation of a bad Orlando team..

I looked up his numbers and he legitimately could be the worst player in the NBA:lol

31% from the field, 19% from 3, -6 BPM and in the bottom 10 in the NBA in all on/off metrics..Jesus, he’s going to be out of the league after this contract..

He should call Pop every single day and thank him for giving his kids a bright future..

[Chinook]

It's amazing how many folks here thought he was a legit good player. Some here still think he's better than guys on the team. It's not a situation where he was buried on the bench either. He got plenty of chances.

[SpurPadre]

It's amazing how many folks here thought he was a legit good player. Some here still think he's better than guys on the team. It's not a situation where he was buried on the bench either. He got plenty of chances.

The counter-argument to that could be that the Spurs system makes guys like Forbes and Cunningham better than they'd be on other rosters, tbh.

[Mikeanaro]

Havent been following Simmons, but the few times I´ve checked his boxes it was bad.

[John B]

He was lucky to cash in and good move for him. If Orlando waived him, would Spurs want him back? Role players like him thrived in our system. But that was probably not true anymore without the big 3 and Kiwi to hide his weakness.

[stu scotts eye]

I only found him valuable his final year bc he was. As we saw that whole year, if Kawhi wasn't creating his own shot no one else could on the perimeter.

Even as GS swept us. Simmons was the only one with the athleticism and "Lance Stephenson" type of one on one skills, which is all the Spurs needed to beat GSW that year imo.

[DAF86]

He was lucky to cash in and good move for him. If Orlando waived him, would Spurs want him back? Role players like him thrived in our system. But that was probably not true anymore without the big 3 and Kiwi to hide his weakness.

That's the missconception here. When the fuck did he thrive here? That's the part I'm missing, tbh. :lol

[DAF86]

Bro... U are talking as if this was his only good game for the preseason... He has been more impressive than Danny... Imagine Danny on the magic... It would be tragic

Imagine Simmons on the Raptors bruh. :lol

[John B]

That's the missconception here. When the fuck did he thrive here? That's the part I'm missing, tbh. :lol
A G-Leaguer who got 18 million contract because of his plays at Spurs.

[313]

I havent followed his career since he left SA, but this bump feels like a knee jerk reaction. He had a career year last year and we’re only 16 games into this season. Not saying that he won’t be out of the league soon, because shit happens fast, but the sample size of last year is much larger than this year.

[Chinook]

I havent followed his career since he left SA, but this bump feels like a knee jerk reaction. He had a career year last year and we’re only 16 games into this season. Not saying that he won’t be out of the league soon, because shit happens fast, but the sample size of last year is much larger than this year.

Nah Simmons sucked last year. This thread is evidence of that. OP created it after a good game, but by and large, it's full of Simmons being terrible.

[Mr. Body]

He really need a good coach with a firm hand. No shame in getting that money when he could.

[Pavlov]

Would've been nice to see if he could've developed anymore as a Spur but going for the money was a no-brainer for him.

[DAF86]

A G-Leaguer who got 18 million contract because of his plays at Spurs.

But he was never good with the Spurs. At least not for a relevant period of time. That's my point.

He had a couple of good playoffs games and that added to all the highlight reel plays, made a team offer him a contract he didn't deserve. Although 6 mils per year wasn't really that much, tbh.

[DAF86]

I havent followed his career since he left SA, but this bump feels like a knee jerk reaction. He had a career year last year and we’re only 16 games into this season. Not saying that he won’t be out of the league soon, because shit happens fast, but the sample size of last year is much larger than this year.

His "career year" wasn't really any good, tbh.

[313]

Citing his career year wasn't to imply that he was the next coming of D Wade, but that he was good enough based on that year to stick around a while longer. Whatever's going on this year, idk, but you have guys like Wiggins and Marcus Morris having 12-13 PER years, with negative box minus, and are still fitting in where they can.

[ElNono]

Haven't seen him this season, tbh, but the argument was that a guy with those hops will linger around the NBA... there's all sorts of uber athletic guys that are just in the league for winning the genetic lottery...

[TDMVPDPOY]

Haven't seen him this season, tbh, but the argument was that a guy with those hops will linger around the NBA... there's all sorts of uber athletic guys that are just in the league for winning the genetic lottery...

simmons in t he spurs system he shined.... his one of them cogs patfo finds that only works in the system, when they go off to another team...they are exposed...

anyway how fast the majority forget about him, remember when he shut down defensively on harden in the elimination game kawhi sat out to advance? fkn ungrateful fans

[ElNono]

simmons in t he spurs system he shined.... his one of them cogs patfo finds that only works in the system, when they go off to another team...they are exposed...

anyway how fast the majority forget about him, remember when he shut down defensively on harden in the elimination game kawhi sat out to advance? fkn ungrateful fans

Dunno about that. Last season in Orlando he had his best stats across the board career-wise (with more minutes).

Like I said, I haven't seen him this season, but Orlando might be tanking and he might just be mailing it in.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Dunno about that. Last season in Orlando he had his best stats across the board career-wise (with more minutes).

Like I said, I haven't seen him this season, but Orlando might be tanking and he might just be mailing it in.

should do a trade for him, get him back for defensive purposes, as for his offensive game, we all know what he excel in...which is fast break ... he reminds me of sane lance stephensen without the ballhog 1on1 plays...

beats watching patty, forbes, belli chuck up bricks or trying to defend anyone

[SAGirl]

Dunno about that. Last season in Orlando he had his best stats across the board career-wise (with more minutes).

Like I said, I haven't seen him this season, but Orlando might be tanking and he might just be mailing it in.
No Orlando has been winning enough games to not be tanking this early. They are 7th in the eastern conference and currently 9-9, a better record than the Spurs. He has been awful, his percentages are worse than last season and he’s playing less minutes bc Orlandi wants to win... opposite of what you said!

As I mentioned he got a wrist fracture late last season, in fact I don’t know if it’s his shooting hand. I do believe it probably affected him just not having reps over the summer shooting.

[dontouchmebwo]

It's hard to judge him bc he's with Orlando, remember Dedmon was buried on their bench as well. The system certainly enhanced his game although he didn't really play all that well until the playoffs against a terrible houston defense and he actually played a lot better last year with the magic than this year.

[John B]

I'd take him back for the sheer defense. He'd be our best perimeter guard

[r0drig0lac]

should do a trade for him, get him back for defensive purposes, as for his offensive game, we all know what he excel in...which is fast break ... he reminds me of sane lance stephensen without the ballhog 1on1 plays...

beats watching patty, forbes, belli chuck up bricks or trying to defend anyone


I'd take him back for the sheer defense. He'd be our best perimeter guard
easy

[wildbill2u]

The only special section needed is for morons who think athleticism = NBA ability.

Charles Barkley puts it so aptly: "Deer can run fast and jump high---but they can't play NBA basketball"

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd take him back for the sheer defense. He'd be our best perimeter guard

that's why he should've stayed. And because he only costs 6 million

[anon]

Charles Barkley puts it so aptly: "Deer can run fast and jump high---but they can't play NBA basketball"
Wow, Chuck accurately forecasted Dejounte's first two years of nba basketball.

[BackHome]

To be honest that is most rookie NBA players.

[DMC]

Wow, Chuck accurately forecasted Dejounte's first two years of nba basketball.

The same DJ who broke one off in Houston, in Houston in the WCSF? That DJ?

[anon]

The same DJ who broke one off in Houston, in Houston in the WCSF? That DJ?
He was killing it in Cleveland during the regular season as well. Remember that one possession win on the road versus his biggest big bro in the league? How do you think he performed there?

By running fast and leaping high.

[SAGirl]

Simmons apparently starting to turn things around.
SIMMONS' SPARK
Magic coach Steve Clifford credited Jonathon Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons) for helping the team overcome a slow start with his intensity off the bench in the second quarter. Simmons had two points and three assists in the quarter, giving Orlando its first lead of the game on a lay-up with 23 seconds to go before James knocked down a 3 at the buzzer. "He brought a toughness to our team and the energy level that up until that point we had lacked," Clifford said.
Simmons finished with 10 points, helping the Magic's bench outscore the Lakers 42-21.

http://www.espn.com/nba/recap?gameId=401070967
Would probably be better for this team than Marco. Same salary. Even though Simmons has been awful so far perhaps he’s turning his game on after a slow start (perhaps bc of the wrist injury + he’s always been streaky). But glad for him.

[Chinook]

Can't go there. Simmons sucks, and even though Marco is sucking, there's a lot of reasons to assume he'll be better in the long run once he shooting stabilizes.