Spurs and LMA engaged in contract extension talks

[Chinook]

Doesn't make sense with Gasol as he'll certainly be retired by then. But the partial guarantee in the last year gives the team some negotiating power to add an extra year. I wonder if there's offset language if cut and another team pays him.

Or can stretch with a $2.3mm hit each year for three if it's really bad.

Are we talking Pau or LMA? Both essentially signed two-year deals with $7ish Million guaranteed in a final year. But whereas Pau's deal simply doesn't make sense, LMA's does. There's a legit chance that Aldridge is still good enough to earn that last year. For Pau, it seems like ill-advised going-away money (like with McDyess).

[Mugen]

Jesus christ, I'm terrified of what Porky's deal is going to look like..... :depressed

[YGWHI]

Hi All.

I'm good with this. Spurs are doing the same thing they have for a long time now; doing their best to re-tool while still trying to be a viable contender. This jives with that in a major way. Despite the drama and "lack" of production, this team with LMA has been to a WCF and had tremendous success in the regular season.

That "lack" of production means that the Spurs having success in the regular season had little to do with LMA being on the team since we can't even mention at least 20 great, dominant games from him in last regular season.


Any improvement in comfort from LMA results in a big time boost as long as some of the younger guys produce.

IDK...I guess the Spurs will regret this deal in two-three years...LMA's extension is setting a bad precedent for next years.

Any decent Spurs' player like Murray -or a top pick if the Spurs can get one-, can think the team should give him an extension after a bad season if he has a whinny attitude about his stats and the market-Spurs' cap situation are forcing the team to give him a deal.

72/3 isn't horrible but I find it all a bad joke.

[Nathan89]

This offseason:

Slight overpay for Patty, Pau deal was terrible, Kawhi possibly hurt for a while....well at least the season is starting....that's some good news at least.....

https://media.tenor.com/images/fbda12a779049afada90189d7a752908/tenor.gif

:lol

[YGWHI]

wonder what leonard thoughts are on this

Kawhi wasn't consulted about Spurs' offseason moves so I doubt the team asked his opinion about this one.

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[BillMc]

Danny and DJ on the extension talk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mqy72YLJuA

[Down Under]

The final year is the problem. They should have given him $39M/2 instead. Can't keep having dead money on the cap. It's insane an NBA team has as much as the Spurs and Blazers do as it is.
Surely he would retire after next season?

[Chinook]

Surely he would retire after next season?

He may well, but even if he does, he likely gets the money. My guess is the Spurs gave him that year to keep his salary down. They did that to McDyess in 2009 for similar, though not identical reasons.

[ElNono]

:hang

[Down Under]

He may well, but even if he does, he likely gets the money. My guess is the Spurs gave him that year to keep his salary down. They did that to McDyess in 2009 for similar, though not identical reasons.
That doesn't eat cap space after he retires does it? Seems like, as bad as the Gasol deal is, it will be fairly easy to dump his contract, given it is essentially expiring. Teams will be so desperate to clear space for the free agents, there would be plenty willing to take on his contract then buy him out. Seems like that would be the Spurs best chance of getting anyone, considering we have a very low chance of getting any decent free agents (even mid level).

[Chinook]

That doesn't eat cap space after he retires does it? Seems like, as bad as the Gasol deal is, it will be fairly easy to dump his contract, given it is essentially expiring. Teams will be so desperate to clear space for the free agents, there would be plenty willing to take on his contract then buy him out. Seems like that would be the Spurs best chance of getting anyone, considering we have a very low chance of getting any decent free agents (even mid level).

It counts, just like it's still counting from Tim. But Gasol would have to be traded by February of 2019 for his contract to work. Partially guaranteed deals don't really work for trades under the new CBA

[vy65]

Man, this team has become so unlikeable in just a couple years since the 2014 championship

[tbdog]

It counts, just like it's still counting from Tim. But Gasol would have to be traded by February of 2019 for his contract to work. Partially guaranteed deals don't really work for trades under the new CBA


So you can't trade his contract before the guaranteed date?

[peacemaker885]

Kawhi is a soldier. He trusts PATFO completely.

[SAGirl]

Kawhi wasn't consulted about Spurs' offseason moves so I doubt the team asked his opinion about this one.

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manu kept the choice to himself but surely Kawhi knew that Pop wanted his bar of soap back like all of us knew.

[LakerHater]

Kawhi wasn't consulted about Spurs' offseason moves so I doubt the team asked his opinion about this one.

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[DAF86]

What. The. Fuck.

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Great deal. 3 and $55 mil is a serious discount in this market. Now he'd better concentrate on his game and show what he's capable of.

[YGWHI]

manu kept the choice to himself but surely Kawhi knew that Pop wanted his bar of soap back like all of us knew.

Kawhi knowing that Pop wanna do something doesn't mean that Kawhi has been consulted about...

[BillMc]

So, when can we extend Kawhi for the Super Max?

[99 Problems]

:lobt2:You heard it. While today's nba is napping, we have pounced. Heading down to vacuum the Riverboat.

[024]

Perfect way to cap off the worst Spurs offseason in recent memory. Surprised there was no Parker extension. Goodbye future.

[SAGirl]

Kawhi knowing that Pop wanna do something doesn't mean that Kawhi has been consulted about...
That’s true.
He wouldn’t have opposed though even if they had.

[Raven]

that's a bit more coin than i would have liked, but it's still very good news.

[r0drig0lac]

https://i.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.webp

[Chinook]

So you can't trade his contract before the guaranteed date?

Not the way I think you're thinking. Now, only the guaranteed portion counts in a trade, so rather than using the contract to bring in $20-Million guy, you can bring in a $10-Million guy, and that's if you can get past complicated matching rules.

However, if you mean trading him away to dump his $7 Million, that's another story.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not the way I think you're thinking. Now, only the guaranteed portion counts in a trade, so rather than using the contract to bring in $20-Million guy, you can bring in a $10-Million guy, and that's if you can get past complicated matching rules.

However, if you mean trading him away to dump his $7 Million, that's another story.

After this particular change in the new CBA I thought these kind of partially guaranteed contracts will not be that common, but I guess there's more to them and they will be useful in the end.

We'll see how they'll handle Pau's contract. I imagine there could be teams very interested at the 2019 trade deadline.

[Biernutz]

For what we paid for LA ,it was a bargain. What if he fits in now and nails it. If
if he stinks up the place now he is very tradeable now with a long term deal
thats far from a max deal.

[tbdog]

Love went for 110mil for 5 years. Griffin 170mil for 5 years. Millsap 90mil for 3 years. Ibaka 65mil for 3 years. LMA gave us a discount. Great deal for spurs.

[Chinook]

After this particular change in the new CBA I thought these kind of partially guaranteed contracts will not be that common, but I guess there's more to them and they will be useful in the end.

We'll see how they'll handle Pau's contract. I imagine there could be teams very interested at the 2019 trade deadline.

I think deals like Pau's will remain in order to do what they were meant to do. But deals like Erick Dampier's "Dust Chip" won't have the same value. I fully don't believe that PATFO gave Pau his deal in order to trade him in 16 months. You're right that teams might have interest in his deal (though likely not as much as they would in a straight expiring), but I am not sure PATFO wants what those teams are selling. There are worst contracts that Pau's out there.

[bic50]

Lma is still very talented. I have no issue with it

[dabom]

Disgusting that this is our inside man. Not only does he not have any real insider info, but he's completely indifferent about the team he covers.

Our media guys root for other teams brah. :lol

[NameLess Scrub]

:lol he gonna get fat again.

I hope not. Let's sign a petition or something for LMa to play like he needs the contract.

[MultiTroll]

if he stinks up the place now he is very tradeable now with a long term deal
thats far from a max deal.
Except if he stinks up the place it drastically lowers his tradability.

Of course in :loltodays NBA:lol who knows.

[spurs10]

LMA playing great now and this show of support from PATFO will likely go a long way. Rudy, Kawhi, and LMA are being underestimated. Throw in Danny and best pg and we might surprise a few people. Bummed Kawhi is missing the opener, but I'm going to be there!
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[NASpurs]

I'll just pull out the quotes from the article (Aldridge talking about the contract, preseason play and having a "heart-to-heart" with Pop):

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/10/17/aldridge-everything-is-great-after-extension-with-spurs/

“It has to because signing that means both sides wanted it,” Aldridge said Tuesday. “It’s not one-sided. I’m happy to sign it. I feel like they are happy to have me sign it. I feel like everything is great.”

“I feel like the talks this summer were very constructive and were kind of needed, having a heart to heart where you just say how you feel,” Aldridge said. “And I feel like Pop has been great about the things that I said or kind of needed or wanted, and so far it’s been great.”

“I’m happy to be here,” Aldridge said. “It just worked out for both sides. I feel like this preseason has been great for myself, trying to find my rhythm and be myself. I feel like the offense has had some tweaks to it to where I’m feeling more comfortable and I feel like I am helping the team more. Pop told me he was happy about it. It’s working out for us."

“(The contract talks) just came out of the blue and kept going,” Aldridge said. “I feel like once it sided, both sides were very interested. I didn’t (study) the market. I just went off how I feel. Pop has been great, and this preseason has made me feel so much more comfortable out there. I have been myself and I feel like I am going to help us win. So, I went off how I felt, in the moment and I did it.”

[bklynspursfan]

The key will be allowing Kawhi to dominate, but still allowing LMA to feel /be a part of the offense. It's unfortunate they couldn't see much time on the court together this summer to work on it, but hopefully they kind of pick up where the left off in the WCF. The offense was quite fluid and both guys were doing their thing.

[Chinook]

Holy hell, it really did come out of nowhere.

Also, this lends credence to the idea that the Spurs were more worried about him walking than they were inclined to get rid of him.

[coachmac87]

Ive stated this multiple times...

But Kawhi going from an up and coming star to MVP/Superstar in an offseason really made things different for both Spurs and LMA.

When he signed in the summer... Kawhi wasn't yet the absolute dominant scorer and actually had shaky moments against Matt Barnes and the Clippers in the playoffs.

Year one was always about fitting in but then Kawhi just absolutely became a monster. Yes LMA has had issues that go deeper but tbh it's all about the mind set...and it just made things more difficult.

Good to see both sides got over whatever issues...

[coachmac87]

Holy hell, it really did come out of nowhere.

Also, this lends credence to the idea that the Spurs were more worried about him walking than they were inclined to get rid of him.


Which could've been a domino to fall for Kawhi feeling "uncomfortable" with roster going forward..

[Chinook]

Which could've been a domino to fall for Kawhi feeling "uncomfortable" with roster going forward..

Maybe. If Kawhi and LMA can figure it out, the team will have the offensive foundation it needs.

[RD2191]

LMA is an insufferable faggot.

[SAGirl]

Holy hell, it really did come out of nowhere.

Also, this lends credence to the idea that the Spurs were more worried about him walking than they were inclined to get rid of him.

I always interpreted what went down over the summer as Lamarcus being the one asking out... that is why I believed he was unhappy, he deleted tweets, etc... did everything that he did over the summer. He was the one who wanted out. That puts the billboard in context etc. He completely had a change of heart after sitting down with Pop and getting things off his chest that were bothering him and he had been keeping to himself.

I hope it works out. He seems genuinely happy and Spurs are set with a good foundation if both Kawhi and Lamarcus play to their potential with the roleplayers growing up in their roles through the season. I certainly don't feel bad about this contract. Glad to have him locked up in fact. Now the Spurs can focus on others next summer and don't have the uncertainties that supposedly scared CP3 in FA about roster instability.
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[BillMc]

I always interpreted what went down over the summer as Lamarcus being the one asking out... that is why I believed he was unhappy, he deleted tweets, etc... did everything that he did over the summer. He was the one who wanted out. That puts the billboard in context etc. He completely had a change of heart after sitting down with Pop and getting things off his chest that were bothering him and he had been keeping to himself.

I hope it works out. He seems genuinely happy and Spurs are set with a good foundation if both Kawhi and Lamarcus play to their potential with the roleplayers growing up in their roles through the season. I certainly don't feel bad about this contract. Glad to have him locked up in fact. Now the Spurs can focus on others next summer and don't have the uncertainties that supposedly scared CP3 in FA about roster instability.

Well said. It would look bad if the one marquee FA this franchise ever signed quit on the team after 2 years. Obviously, the uncertainty doomed the possibilities of Paul (a blessing in disguise maybe) and would harm future FA interest. Now, there's a foundation. If a young guy blossoms or Rudy turns into a legit 3rd wheel who knows what the ceiling is. Now, please get healthy and stay healthy Kawhi.

[BillMc]

I'll just pull out the quotes from the article (Aldridge talking about the contract, preseason play and having a "heart-to-heart" with Pop):

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/10/17/aldridge-everything-is-great-after-extension-with-spurs/

“It has to because signing that means both sides wanted it,” Aldridge said Tuesday. “It’s not one-sided. I’m happy to sign it. I feel like they are happy to have me sign it. I feel like everything is great.”

“I feel like the talks this summer were very constructive and were kind of needed, having a heart to heart where you just say how you feel,” Aldridge said. “And I feel like Pop has been great about the things that I said or kind of needed or wanted, and so far it’s been great.”

“I’m happy to be here,” Aldridge said. “It just worked out for both sides. I feel like this preseason has been great for myself, trying to find my rhythm and be myself. I feel like the offense has had some tweaks to it to where I’m feeling more comfortable and I feel like I am helping the team more. Pop told me he was happy about it. It’s working out for us."

“(The contract talks) just came out of the blue and kept going,” Aldridge said. “I feel like once it sided, both sides were very interested. I didn’t (study) the market. I just went off how I feel. Pop has been great, and this preseason has made me feel so much more comfortable out there. I have been myself and I feel like I am going to help us win. So, I went off how I felt, in the moment and I did it.”

Good post. Thanks for the summary. :toast

[DeRozan m8]

LMA playing great now and this show of support from PATFO will likely go a long way. Rudy, Kawhi, and LMA are being underestimated. Throw in Danny and best pg and we might surprise a few people. Bummed Kawhi is missing the opener, but I'm going to be there!
:flag:

Is this guy on drugs?

[BillMc]

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What a difference one preseason, one heart-to-heart and 72 million dollars make. :lol

[Chinook]

What a difference one preseason, one heart-to-heart and 72 million dollars make. :lol

They actually gave him only $31 Million more than he was already guaranteed. This is what I think it his contract looks like:



Year
Salary


2017-2018
$21,461,010


2018-2019
$22,347,015


2019-2020
$24,134,776


2020-2021
$25,922,537



That'd be him opting out and getting a new $72.4M/3 extension. If you take out the option year and only count $7 Million of his last year, you have $31,124,015. Honestly not bad, but it's similar to Parker's last deal.

[BillMc]

They actually gave him only $31 Million more than he was already guaranteed. This is what I think it his contract looks like:



Year
Salary


2017-2018
$21,461,010


2018-2019
$22,347,015


2019-2020
$24,134,776


2020-2021
$25,922,537



That'd be him opting out and getting a new $72.4M/3 extension. If you take out the option year and only count $7 Million of his last year, you have $31,124,015. Honestly not bad, but it's similar to Parker's last deal.

Wait, I thought he opted in for 2018-19, and the extension doesn't start until 2019-20. So, I thought the Spurs had him wrapped up until 2021-2022 (though only 7 mill was guaranteed that last year) . I'm probably wrong. You're the cap guy.

[BillMc]

They actually gave him only $31 Million more than he was already guaranteed. This is what I think it his contract looks like:



Year
Salary


2017-2018
$21,461,010


2018-2019
$22,347,015


2019-2020
$24,134,776


2020-2021
$25,922,537



That'd be him opting out and getting a new $72.4M/3 extension. If you take out the option year and only count $7 Million of his last year, you have $31,124,015. Honestly not bad, but it's similar to Parker's last deal.


In his first public comments since inking the deal that could keep him in a Spurs uniform through the 2022 season, the five-time All-Star suggested a clean-the-air meeting this summer with Spurs coach Gregg Popovich paved the way for the extension.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/10/17/aldridge-everything-is-great-after-extension-with-spurs/

[Dex]

Wait, I thought he opted in for 2018-19, and the extension doesn't start until 2019-20. So, I thought the Spurs had him wrapped up until 2021-2022 (though only 7 mill was guaranteed that last year) . I'm probably wrong. You're the cap guy.

Everything I've read suggested the same.

[Dex]

Actually, I stand corrected. More details coming out:

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[Chinook]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2017/10/17/aldridge-everything-is-great-after-extension-with-spurs/

Woj originally reported what you heard, but he backtracked last night.

[TD 21]

Lowe claims Spurs knew Aldridge would pick up his option either way, so really they gave him a 2/$50M extension, which could be 1/$33M if they so choose. I realize the criticism stems from personal dislike and is residual from their highly questionable off season, but given the lack of a realistic equal or better alternative, it was a no brainer.

Lowe also basically said what I've said all along, which is that it's a marriage of convenience and though they're not thrilled with their current overall predicament, they felt it was the best they could do and that they'll be able to get off money if a superstar ever wants to sign with them (yeah, right).

[tonight...you]

Lowe claims Spurs knew Aldridge would pick up his option either way, so really they gave him a 2/$50M extension, which could be 1/$33M if they so choose. I realize the criticism stems from personal dislike and is residual from their highly questionable off season, but given the lack of a realistic equal or better alternative, it was a no brainer.

Lowe also basically said what I've said all along, which is that it's a marriage of convenience and though they're not thrilled with their current overall predicament, they felt it was the best they could do and that they'll be able to get off money if a superstar ever wants to sign with them (yeah, right).
As long as LMA is the 1st guy who touches the ball in the half-court, if he gets down there in time, almost everytime... he'll be happy as a clam.
If Kawhi is bringing that ball up the court and pounding it out for an iso a bunch when he hustled his butt to gain position... His effort will become questionable for more than that particular game.
It will last for games.

[noles1983]

Now that this shitbag got extended, he has no motivation to play hard. Fuck this stupid front office. Run when you can Kawhi.

[TheyCallMePro]

I haven't read any other posts, so I'm just diving in here with my take.

I'm pissed off. I was against the Spurs signing LMA from the outset 2 years ago. He's a jump-shooting, slow-moving big man who doesn't fit in today's modern NBA and doesn't fit in with how the Spurs play. He's clogged up our offense since day 1, we shoot less 3's (25th in the league in attempted 3's last year) and space the floor less with him on it, and he's unable to defend because he's too slow. Whenever he gets switched on D it's an absolute nightmare. Happened several times in the GSW series with Curry and he just got torched.

On top of him not fitting with the Spurs on the court, he doesn't fit off of it. For the past 2 summers he's been telling his entourage that he made a mistake signing with the spurs and that he wants to be traded. And we finally tried to trade him this past summer during the draft, but nobody wanted his bum-ass. Rumor is we couldn't even get a 1st round pick for him. And yet we RE-sign him...

This is all because Pop is an arrogant SOB who wants to show that he doesn't give a damn about the fans opinion and that he knows best. It's also the small market mentality of "well having a pretty good player is better than not having pretty good player." But were better without him. We've gone away from Spurs basketball with him on our team. It doesn't matter how many jumpers he makes on a given night. He slows down our team and makes other players (like Danny Green) useless on offense because of the new lack of open 3 point opportunities with LMA on the court.

He's my least favorite Spurs player of all time. I just feel so betrayed by the re-signing. I mean for God's sake we were booing the hell out of Aldridge last year in Games 3 and 4 vs Golden State at home and Pop just decided to flat-out bench him in the 2nd half of game 4. I mean Pop even publicly criticized him in press conferences after the games! Has Pop ever singled out a player like that to the media? That relationship was just toxic.

This is just wrong. You don't re-sign somebody because you're unable to trade them. This makes no sense. I'm just disgusted. We still have a great team, but Aldridge drags us down. Period.

[tonight...you]

I haven't read any other posts, so I'm just diving in here with my take.

I'm pissed off. I was against the Spurs signing LMA from the outset 2 years ago. He's a jump-shooting, slow-moving big man who doesn't fit in today's modern NBA and doesn't fit in with how the Spurs play. He's clogged up our offense since day 1, we shoot less 3's (25th in the league in attempted 3's last year) and space the floor less with him on it, and he's unable to defend because he's too slow. Whenever he gets switched on D it's an absolute nightmare. Happened several times in the GSW series with Curry and he just got torched.

On top of him not fitting with the Spurs on the court, he doesn't fit off of it. For the past 2 summers he's been telling his entourage that he made a mistake signing with the spurs and that he wants to be traded. And we finally tried to trade him this past summer during the draft, but nobody wanted his bum-ass. Rumor is we couldn't even get a 1st round pick for him. And yet we RE-sign him...

This is all because Pop is an arrogant SOB who wants to show that he doesn't give a damn about the fans opinion and that he knows best. It's also the small market mentality of "well having a pretty good player is better than not having pretty good player." But were better without him. We've gone away from Spurs basketball with him on our team. It doesn't matter how many jumpers he makes on a given night. He slows down our team and makes other players (like Danny Green) useless on offense because of the new lack of open 3 point opportunities with LMA on the court.

He's my least favorite Spurs player of all time. I just feel so betrayed by the re-signing. I mean for God's sake we were booing the hell out of Aldridge last year in Games 3 and 4 vs Golden State at home and Pop just decided to flat-out bench him in the 2nd half of game 4. I mean Pop even publicly criticized him in press conferences after the games! Has Pop ever singled out a player like that to the media? That relationship was just toxic.

This is just wrong. You don't re-sign somebody because you're unable to trade them. This makes no sense. I'm just disgusted. We still have a great team, but Aldridge drags us down. Period.
Decent rant. Now hate everything about this season no matter what.
I demand you hold fast on this.

[vy65]

Spurs committed to mediocrity for the next 5 years and spurs fans rejoice. SMH

[Chinook]

Aldridge is not the one who clogged up the Spurs' offense. The offense they planned for him was much more dynamic than what we saw last year. They've been hurt they their inability to commit to that kind of offense, from Kawhi becoming a superstar to playing a relatively unskilled Dedmon, to their over-reliance on the motion-weak entry pass. His plays had no rhythm to them. And yes, that's in large part his fault for not sealing well enough when he did get the ball, and ideally, he would not let his touches affect his effort level. But he is what he is, honestly.

The Spurs need to move away from Kawhi's iso plays. That does't mean that he wouldn't get a lot of touches and shoot the shots he likes. But rather than he getting there by himself, they need to make them part of action. Have him set some screens to get guards on him at the elbow. Run some pin-downs for him. Cross-screen him into the low-post. Do predictable things you can run off-ball action with, things where Kawhi has a list of options and contingencies. It'll make everyone better.

[Chinook]

Spurs committed to mediocrity for the next 5 years and spurs fans rejoice. SMH

Three years, not five.

[dbreiden83080]

If it ends the drama with him wanting out i am fine with it. All that matters is Leonard right now and his health status..

[vy65]

Three years, not five.

I don’t see a path to non-mediocrity with LMA clogging 20% of the cap until 2022

[Chinook]

I don’t see a path to non-mediocrity with LMA clogging 20% of the cap until 2022

The deal only goes through 20-21, and that year only has $7 Million guaranteed. Woj reported the terms incorrectly originally.

[Leetonidas]

Spurfan: “:lol at PATFO will never get a star here no one wants to play in SA”
Also Spurfan: “Wtf PATFO are messing up our cap so well never get a superstar!”

[TheDoctor]

Aldridge is not the one who clogged up the Spurs' offense. The offense they planned for him was much more dynamic than what we saw last year. They've been hurt they their inability to commit to that kind of offense, from Kawhi becoming a superstar to playing a relatively unskilled Dedmon, to their over-reliance on the motion-weak entry pass. His plays had no rhythm to them. And yes, that's in large part his fault for not sealing well enough when he did get the ball, and ideally, he would not let his touches affect his effort level. But he is what he is, honestly.

The Spurs need to move away from Kawhi's iso plays. That does't mean that he wouldn't get a lot of touches and shoot the shots he likes. But rather than he getting there by himself, they need to make them part of action. Have him set some screens to get guards on him at the elbow. Run some pin-downs for him. Cross-screen him into the low-post. Do predictable things you can run off-ball action with, things where Kawhi has a list of options and contingencies. It'll make everyone better.
Gotta email those plays to Pop homie :tu

[YGWHI]

39 years old Pau Gasol is under contract for 3 seasons more...2021

Lamarcus "My touches and Stats" Aldridge said he wants to retire as Spur while has an extensión until 2022...

What a cruel irony that Pop retires in 2-3 seasons and Kawhi won't have a loyalty contract in his late 30's when older and clearly inferior players already had one.

[YGWHI]

Can't believe Pop will retire leaving Kawhi and the Spurs with LMA as 2nd best player and a bunch of DLeague guys like Paul, Forbes, White...Can't believe this. I'm getting a headache just thinking about it.

[Ice009]

Holy hell, it really did come out of nowhere.

Also, this lends credence to the idea that the Spurs were more worried about him walking than they were inclined to get rid of him.

Do you mean that you think the main reason the Spurs tried trading him early in the off-season is more because they thought he was going to walk? I thought it was most likely based off of his play in the playoffs than anything else.

[Chinook]

Do you mean that you think the main reason the Spurs tried trading him early in the off-season is more because they thought he was going to walk? I thought it was most likely based off of his play in the playoffs than anything else.

A lot of fans did. And of course, LMA could be lying. But assuming he's not, that would suggest the Spurs wanted to keep him around. LMA may have been the one to ask out, and PATFO panicked and tried to move him. That whole situation soured Paul on the team, blah blah.

I was never of the belief that the team was trying to rid of him, though. They had a wish list of players they wanted, but that was it.

[Ice009]

Lowe claims Spurs knew Aldridge would pick up his option either way, so really they gave him a 2/$50M extension, which could be 1/$33M if they so choose. I realize the criticism stems from personal dislike and is residual from their highly questionable off season, but given the lack of a realistic equal or better alternative, it was a no brainer.

Lowe also basically said what I've said all along, which is that it's a marriage of convenience and though they're not thrilled with their current overall predicament, they felt it was the best they could do and that they'll be able to get off money if a superstar ever wants to sign with them (yeah, right).

Interesting. So the contract only goes for 1 year after next season, with the 2nd year being the non-guaranteed year?

[Chinook]

Interesting. So the contract only goes for 1 year after next season, with the 2nd year being the non-guaranteed year?

Yes. The $72.4M/3 included both next year's option, and that final year that is only guaranteed for $7 Million.

[Ice009]

Not a bad contract at all then. Gives the Spurs some short term stability and they're also not locked into it too long.

What do you think of the contract and length of it?

[Chinook]

Not a bad contract at all then. Gives the Spurs some short term stability and they're also not locked into it too long.

What do you think of the contract and length of it?

The Spurs can survive it if LMA remains the same. It'll be a good contract if they can get LMA to become more consistent. I don't think it will be damaging, though. I don't like partially guaranteed deals, but it gives the Spurs some protection in case they don't want to keep LMA that year (I think they will though). It's not the contract I was hoping for (I'd rather have had a fully guaranteed $40M/2 than $50M/2 with only $33 Million guaranteed), but it's a fair deal for a guy they want to make into a legit championship anchor.

[SilverSpur]

LMA has had a good preseason let's hope this carries all the way to the playoffs.

[BillMc]

Lowe pushing his "Opt in, try to be traded" agenda even with the extension

http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/45548/rumor-central-what-do-the-spurs-plan-to-do-with-lamarcus-aldridge

[YGWHI]

It's not encouraging that Spurs "panicked" too much in last months.

Patty's contract early offseason

LMA extension when he wouldn't get many offers after his poor season

It seems like they misread the market and some off-seasons situations.

Anyway, there is still hope. He said he wanted to be in Portland for life and now he's saying the same about San Antonio...If he just retires in Phoenix...Who knows.

[YGWHI]

Lowe pushing his "Opt in, try to be traded" agenda even with the extension

http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/45548/rumor-central-what-do-the-spurs-plan-to-do-with-lamarcus-aldridge


"Aldridge is 32, he’s declining, he has absolutely no purpose on a rebuilding team. No reason a rebuilding team or even a middle-of-the-road team would trade for him."
I doubt there is a market for LMA, Lowe's right.

The same about Pau. People think the team can trade his contract...they won't.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I doubt there is a market for LMA, Lowe's right.

The same about Pau. People think the team can trade his contract...they won't.

They didn't extend him in order to trade him, come on. Lowe's been all over the place with his Spurs stuff for a while but even he doesn't suggest it. Same for Pau.

The Spurs CAN trade either, if they want and if they get a good offer, their contracts aren't bad. But they signed them to their deals expecting them to play and contend as best as they can, not as trade chips.

[YGWHI]

They didn't extend him in order to trade him, come on. Lowe's been all over the place with his Spurs stuff for a while but even he doesn't suggest it. Same for Pau.

The Spurs CAN trade either, if they want and if they get a good offer, their contracts aren't bad. But they signed them to their deals expecting them to play and contend as best as they can, not as trade chips.

The Spurs don't sign players to trade them, we all know that. But if they want ..Like I've I said before, I doubt they get a good offer since LMA's not that young and his game doesn't fit into versatile bigs style.

[cutewizard]

Great deal. 3 and $55 mil is a serious discount in this market. Now he'd better concentrate on his game and show what he's capable of.

agree

[SAGirl]

Lowe pushing his "Opt in, try to be traded" agenda even with the extension

http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/45548/rumor-central-what-do-the-spurs-plan-to-do-with-lamarcus-aldridge
It always remains a possibility but not just for Aldridge. The upside of paying guys what they are due like in Mills case, and Pau (and now LMA) is that if the team needs to trade them in the future for whatever reason.... say this core declines and is stuck in purgatory going nowhere in the future, you can trade those guys and not feel like you did them dirty. For example if they needed to trade Patty in the future he already got paid, a good market deal too, so the Spurs don't owe him anything after that contract, or Pau or Lamarcus. They traded Tiago when he couldn't stay healthy and traded Boris when his coasting got to such levels that the team was better off playing Anderson than him. If one of these guys,falls of a cliff or the team cannot longer win with them they will be gone.

To me, the Spurs sought to keep a core together that got to the WCF but they also had other plans that didn't pan out. In the future if something better comes along and they can make it happen any of these guys, if underperforming, can be gone. If it's Aldridge they will say I told you so, but it might just as well be Pau, IMO specially since they were suckered into Paus deal by CP3 and any number if other moves they wanted to make failing.

[james evans]

will aldridge lose minutes and get benched going forward over his beef with Ibaka?

[Big Empty]

This is where Kawhi severely injured his quad and sat out a year. Re-signed LA after a terrible performance in the WCF, and then resigned Pau to 3 more years too lol people in the thread knew what was coming...

[cd021]

The Aldridge extension has worked out a lot better than expected tbh posted back to back all-star seasons, looks like he is capable of playing at a similar level in the final year of his deal. I was pretty worried when they signed him to that...

[RC_Drunkford]

Kawhi was never mad at LA, he said multiple times that he thought LA had a good season and has no complaints. Now the Gasol extension might've rubbed him the wrong way, I don't know

[TDMVPDPOY]

Kawhi was never mad at LA, he said multiple times that he thought LA had a good season and has no complaints. Now the Gasol extension might've rubbed him the wrong way, I don't know

he only mad patfo continue to hand out loyalty contracts

while the younger guys who came later were getting lowballed contracts or sign somewhere else, when it looked like they had a thing going around kawhi for the future....

[duncan2k5]

The Aldridge extension has worked out a lot better than expected tbh posted back to back all-star seasons, looks like he is capable of playing at a similar level in the final year of his deal. I was pretty worried when they signed him to that...

Problem is he can only play good when he is the primary scorer... We won't past the first round that way as I've said the entire season

[Pavlov]

Problem is he can only play good when he is the primary scorer... We won't past the first round that way as I've said the entire seasonWhat did he need to do that you were saying the entire season?

[cd021]

Problem is he can only play good when he is the primary scorer... We won't past the first round that way as I've said the entire season

The last two seasons we went up against the 2nd seed and lost as the 7th seed. It's reaching to say that that is on him, he dragged them to the playoffs and then they went against better teams and lost.

[Das Texan]

I bet you see LMA add more 3 pointers to his arsenal next year.

[BSfromTX]

I think that was when spurs were concerned that kawhi had a chronic situation with his quad and might not be capable of playing like he had been long term? I also think spurs may have tried to test Kawhi and see if he might want to accept less than the super max. I think that was when things fell apart... asking kawhi if he would sign for less while dropping gold nuggets to mills and gasol. And maybe it wasn’t that big of a deal, but perhaps a chance to say nah I’m leaving. I do think Kawhi never cared for the structure in the organization, and that’s not necessarily a slight to anyone but just unfortunate for spurs.