Baseball is dying...

[apalisoc_9]

No shock here. Fox draws 10.2 overnight rating for Astros-Dodgers, down 19% from Cubs-Indians opener in 2016. Down 3% from Royals-Mets 2015

Explain

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png

Worse than Roylas-Mets http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sabu.png

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Literally the worst possible timing for a thread like this, during one of the most exciting championship games in sports history.

[InRareForm]

this game is nuts.. tbh...

[Spurtacular]

Cubs/Indians > Dodgers/Astros

If it had been Dodgers/Yankees, ratings would be up.

[baseline bum]

Man this is a fucking great game. Better than anything in last year's NBA Playoffs.

[Chris]

Great game :tu Houston just needs 3 outs now.

[rasuo214]

Dodgers Tie Up World Series As Game 4 Ratings Rise From 2016, Hits 5-Year High

http://deadline.com/2017/10/dodgers-win-world-series-game-4-ratings-rise-astros-fox-1202196955/

[Spurtacular]

Houston apparently doesn't have a closer to rely on.

[Spurtacular]

Dodgers Tie Up World Series As Game 4 Ratings Rise From 2016, Hits 5-Year High

http://deadline.com/2017/10/dodgers-win-world-series-game-4-ratings-rise-astros-fox-1202196955/

OP wrong; no surprise. I was just wondering if he had pull sh** out of his ass.

[InRareForm]

i hope this goes 20 innings

[UZER]

What a game.

[Robz4000]

:lol hand job ball fags btfo per par

[Chris]

:lol

[Arcadian]

The last two world series have been entertaining as fuck, tbh

[dabom]

Great series and low ratings? I guess it is dying.

[Silver&Black]

:lol hand job ball fags btfo per par

I actually saw a team score a point tonight. Something you rarely see in TicTacToeBall.

[dabom]

I hope they can score in baseball, they play 5 fucking hours. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Is Apa being retarded again? Of course ratings were going to be down compared to last year's WS, which featured the 2nd most popular team in the country backed by the most famous storyline in sports. And last year's WS outdrew the Cleveland Curse NBA Finals. So I guess the NBA is dying?

I can't celebrate tonight's game, though. The ball is sketchy as all fuck. I want to crown tonight's game as one of the top 10 games in SPORTS history, but if MLB suddenly fucked pitchers over by introducing this slicked ball, then the drama of this game was totally bogus, sad to say.

[midnightpulp]

The last two world series have been entertaining as fuck, tbh

Good to see a new baseball fan (casual or not). I think as a psychologist (I'm guess, given your knowledge of the field), you'd be intrigued by all the mental subtlety that goes on in any given game and any given pitch. There's a shit load of metagame going on that isn't always overt.

[lefty]

Someone moved?

[midnightpulp]

Someone moved?

Yeah, the scoreboard, which doesn't happen in soccer.

[313]

:lol
Yeah, the scoreboard, which doesn't happen in soccer.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah, the scoreboard, which doesn't happen in soccer.
Got 'eeeeem...

[bulakenyo]

Amazing series.

Not even a big baseball fan, never played a single pick up game.

The "juiced ball" issue sort of minimizes the drama of the whole thing though.

[lefty]

Yeah, the scoreboard, which doesn't happen in soccer.

Does it show a graph?

:lol also, more action in a 0-0 soccer game than in any beisbol game

[StrengthAndHonor]

Yeah, the scoreboard, which doesn't happen in soccer.
:lol

[lefty]

:lol so there is more action in a scoreboard than there is on the field?
:lol holy shit

[Silver&Black]

Does it show a graph?

https://s1.postimg.org/1ao246jr5r/avg.png

[140]

Does it show a graph?

:lol also, more action in a 0-0 soccer game than in any beisbol game
Truthnuke tbh :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah, the scoreboard, which doesn't happen in soccer.
robinlopez.gif

[Clipper Nation]

:lol so there is more action in a scoreboard than there is on the field?
:lol holy shit
Yes, there's more action on the scoreboard than on the povertyball field.

[Killakobe81]

:lol Literally the worst possible timing for a thread like this, during one of the most exciting championship games in sports history.

of course it sux if you rooting for Dodgers (or even Stros)
I am not a die hard Dodger Blue fan or Kings fan i support them more casual than Lakers, Bruins or Cowboys but hard to enjoy how amazing this series is while in it ..

baseball has had two amazin WS back2back ...
this series deserves 7 games . that damn midget Altuive is crushing it ...

[Killakobe81]

And if we lose this ...Roberts lost it game 2 by mismanaging his starters and bullpen ...

by over working Jansen and Morrow he killed the only sure advantage we had ...

[Darth_Pelican]

https://s1.postimg.org/1ao246jr5r/avg.png

:lmao

[Mitch]

I don't even like beisbol too much, but the ws is pretty exciting this year (and last year). Never felt bukakeball was exciting, even in the rare occasion there are more than zero goals.

[Brazil]

:lol so there is more action in a scoreboard than there is on the field?
:lol holy shit

robinlopez.gif

[baseline bum]

And if we lose this ...Roberts lost it game 2 by mismanaging his starters and bullpen ...

by over working Jansen and Morrow he killed the only sure advantage we had ...

Jansen is a bitch. Nothing but disappointment watching this guy.

[midnightpulp]

https://s1.postimg.org/1ao246jr5r/avg.png

Nice graph, and accurate :tu

BIG MLS playoff game last night.

Guess the score?

[midnightpulp]

Huge ratings last night, a 24 share, which means 24% of all TVs turned on were watching the WS.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNZKH0mUMAAXmdr.jpg:large

:lol Apa

[Mitch]

Huge ratings last night, a 24 share, which means 24% of all TVs turned on were watching the WS.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNZKH0mUMAAXmdr.jpg:large

:lol Apa

Not surprised, Tbh. Most of Eduardo's ( LkrFan) family is watching. So many dodger bandwagoners here with newly bought blue caps and flags :lol

Same shit with the LA Kings, suddenly everybody was a damn hockey fan.

[dabom]

Comparing just game 5's. :lmao

[FkLA]

Is Apa being retarded again? Of course ratings were going to be down compared to last year's WS, which featured the 2nd most popular team in the country backed by the most famous storyline in sports. And last year's WS outdrew the Cleveland Curse NBA Finals. So I guess the NBA is dying?

I can't celebrate tonight's game, though. The ball is sketchy as all fuck. I want to crown tonight's game as one of the top 10 games in SPORTS history, but if MLB suddenly fucked pitchers over by introducing this slicked ball, then the drama of this game was totally bogus, sad to say.

Didn't I bring up a juiced ball earlier in the season when scoring waa up/HRs were being hit like crazy and you just attributed it to skill?

Fatball is difficult (just like other non-athletic games like billiards and golf) so anytime you see a spike chances are there's some sketchy stuff going on.

[Arcadian]

Good to see a new baseball fan (casual or not). I think as a psychologist (I'm guess, given your knowledge of the field), you'd be intrigued by all the mental subtlety that goes on in any given game and any given pitch. There's a shit load of metagame going on that isn't always overt.

How very observant of you! Indeed, I'm an experimental psychologist. Many of my colleagues like baseball for its statistical complexity. It's fair to say I'm a casual fan. I actually played little league as a kid, but I completely sucked ass. :lol Well, at least I developed a good throwing arm from it. But only now, years later, have I started watching MLB (mainly due to the last two WS).

Do you do anything psych-related?

[midnightpulp]

Didn't I bring up a juiced ball earlier in the season when scoring waa up/HRs were being hit like crazy and you just attributed it to skill?

Fatball is difficult (just like other non-athletic games like billiards and golf) so anytime you see a spike chances are there's some sketchy stuff going on.

Wrong and easily disproven, but keep banging that drum out of your infantile baseball bias.

Now that we have that out of the way, the increased homer rate during the regular season is more attributed to player's adjusting their swings than a juiced ball.


A juiced ball could influence many things, but not launch angle. Batters, it seems, are making better quality contact more often — even if that conclusion isn’t immediately revealed in the league-wide fly-ball rates. Maybe it explains a large part of what’s going, maybe just a small part. But it explains some of it.

friend of FanGraphs and professor emeritus of physics at the University of Illinois — was asked by MLB to review the research as an independent source. Lindbergh spoked with Nathan.

“Quite frankly, I was disappointed at that result, because I was hoping I’d find something,” Nathan, who was compensated by MLB for the time he spent studying the BRC report, tells me by phone. However, he says, “I saw nothing in the data that was presented that suggests that the ball has been altered at all.”

Wrote Lindbergh in conclusion:

If the spread of dingers has less to do with COR or seam height than with a wave of Yonder Alonso–like breakouts by hitters who’ve tailored their swings to lift low pitches, then pitchers could exploit those uppercuts by raising their own sights … The historic performance we’ve seen since mid-2015 still supports at least a little skepticism about the true roots of baseball’s home run revolution; without witnessing the tests, we can’t consider these findings definitive. But the “juiced ball” hypothesis does seem much less likely than I thought it did two days ago. “It has every look of being suspicious,” Nathan says about the timing of baseball’s big-fly bailout. “But as I said, there’s nothing I could find that suggests anything amiss.”

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/if-the-ball-isnt-juiced-then-what-explains-the-homer-surge/

I don't really care about whether the regular season ball was juiced or not. If anything, I'm on board since with the advent of deep bullpens over the past 2 years, hitters needed some kind of equalizer, so a juiced ball (which is within range of specs) simply balances out the sport more. I'd rather incentivize contact hitting and speed as a means of an offense generator over homers, though, but due to shifts and the supreme ATHLETICISM of middle infielders and outfielders, it's fuckin' hard to beat modern MLB defenses. That's why I'm for moving the fences back (won't happen).

My complaint here is this slick ball they suddenly introduced for the WS (don't know if it's intentional or poor quality QC on MLB's part). Slider reliant pitchers are getting shelled since they can't optimally grip this ball. MLB isn't alone here. Your precious Povertyball introduced some shitty bouncy ball in the World Cup many times to increase scoring (in a sport that actually needs it).

[midnightpulp]

How very observant of you! Indeed, I'm an experimental psychologist. Many of my colleagues like baseball for its statistical complexity. It's fair to say I'm a casual fan. I actually played little league as a kid, but I completely sucked ass. :lol Well, at least I developed a good throwing arm from it. But only now, years later, have I started watching MLB (mainly due to the last two WS).

Do you do anything psych-related?

No. Just a hobbyist reader.

Nice on the other bolded. To further enhance your appreciation of the sport, here's a good response I found to a new baseball fan from Ireland getting into the game:


Another thing to pay attention to (sounds like you already do) is the count. The count is at the heart of baseball's "tension" and action. Even though baseball is not a running around sport, the way the action unfolds through the count is as "action packed" as any other sport, even if players aren't constantly dribbling, juking, shooting, etc.
To compare it to soccer (a sport I'm sure you're familiar with), a 3-1 count is very much like a striker finding the ball in open space going toward the goal. The crowd tenses up or cheers at the looming scoring opportunity. It probably won't come (just like a homerun is unlikely), but the audience instinctively knows that a striker in open space is very dangerous (or beneficial) to their team. Same thing when a dangerous hitter has a 3-0, 3-1 count to work with. Here's a table of how the odds shift of getting a hit per the count:

http://research.sabr.org/journals/images/1986/study_5.jpg

So a pitcher battling back from a hitter's count to get the out is much like a defender slide tackling that striker in open space to stunt his attack.

Here's the odds of scoring a run with men on base:

http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/users/brooks/public_html/feda/datasets/expectedruns.html

So in a bases loaded, no outs situation, a team will score at least a run 88% of the time. To compare it to soccer again, that's basically like having a free penalty kick. If the team manages to get out of the situation unscathed, it's the equivalent of a goalie saving that point blank penalty shot.
And in addition to that, you got all sorts of interesting tactics and metagame going on. Defensive shifts, pitch sequencing to set up a different pitch sequence the next AB (think poker and folding to an aggressive raise to get the player to push on you when you have a hand), pitching changes to exploit a matchup, working counts to drive up pitch counts, etc.


This is why baseball isn't a slow sport. 300 pitches per game and every one matters and can have a snowball effect into the next pitch/event. Chuck D, a baseball fan, said it best:


How the pace of the game seems slow to the [uninformed] watcher, but it’s really fast when you understand. Details are important, details are important in every little thing.

[Spurtacular]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-world-series-climbs-trouncing-sunday-night-football-1052876

[Spurtacular]

Comparing just game 5's. :lmao

Damn, you slurp apalifag's nob on shit that barely matters.

[unleashbaynes]

Didn't I bring up a juiced ball earlier in the season when scoring waa up/HRs were being hit like crazy and you just attributed it to skill?

Fatball is difficult (just like other non-athletic games like billiards and golf) so anytime you see a spike chances are there's some sketchy stuff going on.

So what score can your unathletic fat mexican ass shoot in golf?

[midnightpulp]

So what score can your unathletic fat mexican ass shoot in golf?

FKLA and the TwinkTrot crew sadly have a very limited view of athleticism and only consider sports where there's constant motion (whether the ball being in constant motion [FKLA would probably consider volleyball an athletic sport, but it burns as much calories as playing baseball and centered around basically one athletic trait: jumping. But it's "fast paced" or something] or the players. I'll say this. SS, 2B, and outfielders are under a more overall athletic demand than any basketball player, PG or otherwise.

Very rarely, if ever, are you dead on full sprinting for more than 90 feet in basketball, even when getting back to defend fastbreaks (the players below the rim are already beat and just trot, it's usually players above the 3 point getting back in a sprint, and it's more of a controlled sprint than anything). Check out Lebron James block on Iggy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zd62MxKXp8

He went into a sprint around the half-court line (48 feet) and leaped a good 6 feet forward and about 35" high. Impressive.

Billy Hamilton dead sprinting for 123 feet reaching 22mph and laying out for a diving catch (an equally impressive "jumping feat" as what Lebron did).

https://www.mlb.com/video/roberts-on-home-field-advantage/c-1866047283

Pure straight up vertical?

http://m.mlb.com/images/9/1/4/55762914/trout_20pk1bfy.gif

And addition to that, outfielders often have 90-105mph throwing arms. Here's Kevin Kiermaier nearly nailing the speedy Mookie Betts with a 100mph throw from 344 feet away in the air and on target. Nothing in basketball can fuck with that (athletically).

https://www.mlb.com/indians/video/statcast-betts-hustle-home/c-1187068183?tid=240568594

Nothing in basketball demands the full body athletic "explosion," if you will, of hitting or pitching. Not jump shooting, first step into a dribble-drive, nor dunking. It would do the TwinkTrot well to investigate the biomechanics of certain athletic feats instead of just rating athletic feats on how pretty they look.

[UZER]

Not surprised, Tbh. Most of Eduardo's ( LkrFan) family is watching. So many dodger bandwagoners here with newly bought blue caps and flags :lol

Same shit with the LA Kings, suddenly everybody was a damn hockey fan.

And they have a Houston hat in their holster too, just in case.

[unleashbaynes]

FKLA and the TwinkTrot crew sadly have a very limited view of athleticism and only consider sports where there's constant motion (whether the ball being in constant motion [FKLA would probably consider volleyball an athletic sport, but it burns as much calories as playing baseball and centered around basically one athletic trait: jumping. But it's "fast paced" or something] or the players. I'll say this. SS, 2B, and outfielders are under a more overall athletic demand than any basketball player, PG or otherwise.

Very rarely, if ever, are you dead on full sprinting for more than 90 feet in basketball, even when getting back to defend fastbreaks (the players below the rim are already beat and just trot, it's usually players above the 3 point getting back in a sprint, and it's more of a controlled sprint than anything). Check out Lebron James block on Iggy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zd62MxKXp8

He went into a sprint around the half-court line (48 feet) and leaped a good 6 feet forward and about 35" high. Impressive.

Billy Hamilton dead sprinting for 123 feet reaching 22mph and laying out for a diving catch (an equally impressive "jumping feat" as what Lebron did).

https://www.mlb.com/video/roberts-on-home-field-advantage/c-1866047283

Pure straight up vertical?

http://m.mlb.com/images/9/1/4/55762914/trout_20pk1bfy.gif

And addition to that, outfielders often have 90-105mph throwing arms. Here's Kevin Kiermaier nearly nailing the speedy Mookie Betts with a 100mph throw from 344 feet away in the air and on target. Nothing in basketball can fuck with that (athletically).

https://www.mlb.com/indians/video/statcast-betts-hustle-home/c-1187068183?tid=240568594

Nothing in basketball demands the full body athletic "explosion," if you will, of hitting or pitching. Not jump shooting, first step into a dribble-drive, nor dunking. It would do the TwinkTrot well to investigate the biomechanics of certain athletic feats instead of just rating athletic feats on how pretty they look.

Yeah i forgot, if it doesn't involve running 12 miles and being a skinny bag of bones, it must not require any athleticism, my bad :lol

[midnightpulp]

Yeah i forgot, if it doesn't involve running 12 miles and being a skinny bag of bones, it must not require any athleticism, my bad :lol

:lol

I'm not trying to talk down basketball, but I played both sports and most of the positions in baseball (OF and infield aside from 1B) require a better all around athlete than any one position in basketball. You need upper tier first step acceleration, lateral quickness, body control, and a vertical leap to play those positions effectively, same as any perimeter player in basketball. But nothing in basketball challenges throwing power and core rotational power like throwing and hitting. Manu's "baseball" passes are nice from 20-30 feet and whatnot, but they're really nothing compared to Arenado making an off-balance throw from foul territory 150 feet out or Cepedes doing this:

https://media.giphy.com/media/hZZA5i6JbAxBm/giphy.gif

"But stamina." There's nothing particularly above and beyond about basketball's endurance demands. It's why they can play the game every other day, and could play it everyday (wouldn't be a good idea, because taller athletes more prone to strain).

[LkrFan]

Not surprised, Tbh. Most of Eduardo's ( LkrFan) family is watching. So many dodger bandwagoners here with newly bought blue caps and flags :lol

Same shit with the LA Kings, suddenly everybody was a damn hockey fan.

¡ ningún hijo! ¡ mi familia ama el fútbol! :lmao

[Mitch]

¡ ningún hijo! ¡ mi familia ama el fútbol! :lmao

Only football is NFL, cabron

[DMC]

Does it show a graph?

:lol also, more action in a 0-0 soccer game than in any beisbol game

Sure, in the showers after the game.

[whitemamba]

Not even a baseball fan but this WS is pretty entertaining , I’m more into it because LA is in it , but the games have been really good. Hope the dodgers come back and take t to 7. This series deserves it , and baseball needs it.

[140]

Not even a baseball fan but this WS is pretty entertaining , I’m more into it because LA is in it , but the games have been really good. Hope the dodgers come back and take t to 7. This series deserves it , and baseball needs it.
It also needs a diet plan tbh :lol

[Mitch]

It also needs a diet plan tbh :lol

They can't be starving 3rd worlders kicking a ball around a field for hours with no scores

[baseline bum]

And they have a Houston hat in their holster too, just in case.

That's only the ones from Hoover tbh

[rastaspur]

Damn, you slurp apalifag's nob on shit that barely matters.

If it's the same person then technically it's masturbation.

[The Gemini Method]

That's only the ones from Hoover tbh
I grew up with someone whose uncle was a Hoover Criminal. He always had an Astros' hat on. I didn't grow up around a ton of gangs in Long Beach other than the Insane Crips, TRG, and ABZ and the Longos, so I asked my friend what it meant (Or, if his uncle was a fan of the Houston Astros) and he said no, that's just his allegiance to the Hoover Criminals.

[Killakobe81]

I grew up with someone whose uncle was a Hoover Criminal. He always had an Astros' hat on. I didn't grow up around a ton of gangs in Long Beach other than the Insane Crips, TRG, and ABZ and the Longos, so I asked my friend what it meant (Or, if his uncle was a fan of the Houston Astros) and he said no, that's just his allegiance to the Hoover Criminals.

Hoover was notorious,i stayed in the valley yet hoover rolling 60s grapes crenshaw mafia etc still rang out

[The Gemini Method]

Hoover was notorious,i stayed in the valley yet hoover rolling 60s grapes crenshaw mafia etc still rang out Yup. He was a straight killer actually. I believe he's in prison for life. But that's true because Eight Trey Gangster Crips were also known around me because a neighbor's family claimed that and they would let you know about it.

[baseline bum]

Yup. He was a straight killer actually. I believe he's in prison for life. But that's true because Eight Trey Gangster Crips were also known around me because a neighbor's family claimed that and they would let you know about it.

It's funny, San Antonio used to have a Crip set calling themselves ETG. But named after the East Terrace projects.

[The Gemini Method]

It's funny, San Antonio used to have a Crip set calling themselves ETG. But named after the East Terrace projects.
Yeah, I'm sure there are others who use the name. Eight-Trey Gangster Crips, gained notoriety from that book written about Monster Cody's life. Also, they're surrounded by rival gangs and are pretty violent. Some 4 major gangs surround them and I think the Hoovers and Rollin' 60's are their biggest enemies.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I'm sure there are others who use the name. Eight-Trey Gangster Crips, gained notoriety from that book written about Monster Cody's life. Also, they're surrounded by rival gangs and are pretty violent. Some 4 major gangs surround them and I think the Hoovers and Rollin' 60's are their biggest enemies.

LOL ETG was probably the most notorious east side gang in San Antonio back in the 90s (east side was the black side of town, west and south side the Mexican).

[The Gemini Method]

LOL ETG was probably the most notorious east side gang in San Antonio back in the 90s (east side was the black side of town, west and south side the Mexican). Dang. Did not know that, but interesting how cities and how groups emulate a sometimes nonsensical thing. However, the importation of gangster lifestyle sucks for communities. I know firsthand losing a few people I grew up with to that lifestyle or as victims. Terrible.

[midnightpulp]

Not even a baseball fan but this WS is pretty entertaining , I’m more into it because LA is in it , but the games have been really good. Hope the dodgers come back and take t to 7. This series deserves it , and baseball needs it.

Why?

[whitemamba]

Why?

The following statistics, according to Nielsen’s Year in Sports Media report, provide some context as to who exactly is watching baseball:


50% are 55 or older? Majority of the fans are going to be dead due to diabetes (DMC) or old age very soon. Younger generation doesnt find it as entertaining i guess, the NBA Average is 37.

26% are between the age 33 – 54

70% are male - I feel almost all girls unanimously hate baseball, and would choose an NBA game in a heartbeat to watch live.

83% are white - no surprise here.

It just appears that the future is brighter for NBA over MLB, I mean during the summer league when Zo was playing the cavs i think, that game had higher ratings than the Red Sox playing i dont remember who in the post season.

[LkrFan]

Only football is NFL, cabron

:lol

[FkLA]

So what score can your unathletic fat mexican ass shoot in golf?

How many times can your unathlethic fat white ass make it up and down a court/field? Can't use a golf cart either.

[midnightpulp]

The following statistics, according to Nielsen’s Year in Sports Media report, provide some context as to who exactly is watching baseball:


50% are 55 or older? Majority of the fans are going to be dead due to diabetes (DMC) or old age very soon. Younger generation doesnt find it as entertaining i guess, the NBA Average is 37.

26% are between the age 33 – 54

70% are male - I feel almost all girls unanimously hate baseball, and would choose an NBA game in a heartbeat to watch live.

83% are white - no surprise here.

It just appears that the future is brighter for NBA over MLB, I mean during the summer league when Zo was playing the cavs i think, that game had higher ratings than the Red Sox playing i dont remember who in the post season.


About the so-called "median age" problem. Read this (and here's a quote):


Example, the median age of World Series Game 7 last year was 50.5 which was lower than the 53.5 for game 6 but much higher than the 43.1 median age for game 5 of the NBA Finals in June.

So based only on the sentence above, which had more young adults 18-34? Game 7 of the World Series or Game 5 of the NBA finals?

Correct Answer: I don’t know and it’s not possible to tell from that data alone!

https://sportstvratings.com/median-age-what-it-is-how-its-calculated-and-why-its-useful/8478/

Furthermore, according to that same Nielsen research, the median age of the NFL viewer is 49. So what? The NFL is going to "die" 6 years after the MLB? Also a big factor worth noting is that Nielsen data is culled from ESPN and other such national broadcasts. People who watch baseball typically watch it on a local cable channel, and in those respective markets, a regular season MLB game will outdraw competing NBA playoff games. And here's how that coveted 18-29 demo polled about the respective sports:

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/54eb68dc69bedd5a0985da71-800-440/02-138.png

http://www.businessinsider.com/major-league-baseball-nba-popularity-2015-2

Also according to the Harris Poll, the industry standard, the MLB ranks higher than the NBA in popularity (15% to 5%):

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-popular-sports-in-the-us-2016-3

Another faulty assumption is that tastes will remain static throughout life. When I was younger, I was more into basketball and football, and baseball was a distant 3rd, not because I found the sport boring, but because baseball doesn't generate the kind of conversation centered around superstars and drama after any one game. Baseball is a tougher sport to have "casual watercooler" conversation about. What's more of a hot topic? Mike Trout going 0-4 in some June game out of 162? Or Tom Brady throwing 3 INTs in a Monday Night Football game? Then when I really started to dissect baseball (sounds nerdy, I know), I found its design more intriguing and a nice alternative than the other big 2 or 3 sports. It's also not slow paced, as good ole' Chuck D said.

Some more positives indicating the health of baseball is that the MLB All Star game outdraws the NBA All Star game and the Homerun Derby outdraws the Dunk/3 point shooting contest.

[unleashbaynes]

How many times can your unathlethic fat white ass make it up and down a court/field? Can't use a golf cart either.

I could definitely make it up and down the court. I've rolled my ankle enough though to where i don't play the way i used to.

Now, tell me super duper athlete, what score would you shoot on the golf course?

[FkLA]

I could definitely make it up and down the court. I've rolled my ankle enough though to where i don't play the way i used to.

Now, tell me super duper athlete, what score would you shoot on the golf course?

What's your point? I said golf is an unathlethic game, not that it's easy. Being a professional gamer/billiards player /darts player is hard af too but that doesn't mean those guys are great athletes. :lol

[DAF86]

I got in just to see the charts and it didn't disappoint.

[midnightpulp]

I got in just to see the charts and it didn't disappoint.

:madrun I hate facts that disprove my opinion :madrun

[midnightpulp]

What's your point? I said golf is an unathlethic game, not that it's easy. Being a professional gamer/billiards player /darts player is hard af too but that doesn't mean those guys are great athletes. :lol

Thing is you're trying to equate two games/sports (like billiards and gaming, moreso gaming) where athleticism doesn't really play a significant role in the outcome (e.g. you can't jump higher, run faster, throw harder, etc to gain an advantage in a Starcraft match) to sports that pretty much everyone who isn't biased agree prominently feature all around athleticism (like baseball).

I would also argue modern golf is an athletic sport. This isn't the golf of Craig Stadler and John Daly. A golf swing is a pretty intense athletic event that uses the entire body in unison. If you're not in great physical condition, expect major back and hip problems throughout your career. Definitely not an athlete:

http://nygolffitnessguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Rory-McIIroy.jpg

Like I said, your view of athleticism is narrow. I consider it the ability to control several parts of your body well enough to get them working together in unison in order to perform some physical feat (swinging, throwing, kicking, etc). If anything, "running around" is the least athletic of the various core traits because it's simple to do right out of the proverbial box. I would consider peak Tiger Woods a better athlete than Usain Bolt, because the athletic skill Tiger had to learn is a lot more multidimensional than just running fast in a straight line.

[lefty]

I'm not gonna lie I've watched the World Series.
Really helped to fight sleep deprivation.

Games 8 and 9 pls

[140]

I got in just to see the charts and it didn't disappoint.:lol

[DMC]

The problem with baseball started when steroids entered the scene. Suddenly it wasn't about making great plays, great pitching, great on base percentages.. but about home runs. Canseco, McGwire, Sosa, Bonds... those types were all the talk in baseball. Add Clemons to the mix and suddenly so many of the game's heroes became zeroes, folks stopped watching.

It's still a good game, but it takes a while to recover. These days, a midget like Altuve can win the MVP.

[midnightpulp]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNjk0DYX4AA5jiw.jpg:large

:wow a 15.1 and up from last year's game 6. Also a higher rating than any NBA Finals game that isn't a game 7 since the Jordan era.

:lol Apa
:lol Povertyball crew

[140]

Makes sense, tbh


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAG2sZHUwAA9iTM.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

Mexico, Chile, the UK and Germany are all well above the OECD average... no wonder they love povertyball so much :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNsvvo8GuZc

[140]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/graphics/blog/gallery/dumb-america-1/america-intro.jpg

[midnightpulp]

Makes sense, tbh


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAG2sZHUwAA9iTM.jpg

South Korea and Japan are the lowest and are baseball countries :downspin:

We also became fatter right at the same time soccer became a popular youth sport activity. B.A.W.

[DAF86]

Game 7 of the World series. Your team is 4 outs away from losing and people are yawning on the stands. :lol

[DAF86]

What a shitty ass game 7, tbh. You can say whatever you want about Soccer's limited scoring. But that assures you that 99% of the time, you will get a tense, competitive, engaging game 'till the end, on these kind of finals.

[midnightpulp]

What a shitty ass game 7, tbh. You can say whatever you want about Soccer's limited scoring. But that assures you that 99% of the time, you will get a tense, competitive, engaging game 'till the end, on these kind of finals.

Tense game 99% of the time in soccer. Brazil vs. Germany was tense, sure.

You also don't understand baseball if you think that game wasn't tense. No surprise there.

[DAF86]

Tense game 99% of the time in soccer. Brazil vs. Germany was tense, sure.

You also don't understand baseball if you think that game wasn't tense. No surprise there.

Do the hardcore Dodgers fans that were yawning on the stamds not understand baseball either?

Germany vs Brazil was awesome, tbh. Soccer finals can't lose. If they end with a low score the game remains engaging 'till the end, if they are high scoring games the rarety factor makes them special.

Anyway, why did you think giving one (bad) example would disprove my 99% comment, tbh? :lol

[midnightpulp]

Do the hardcore Dodgers fans that were yawning on the stamds not understand baseball either?

Germany vs Brazil was awesome, tbh. Soccer finals can't lose. If they end with a low score the game remains engaging 'till the end, if they are high scoring game the rarety factor makes it special.

Anyway, why did you think giving one (bad) example would disprove my 99% comment, tbh? :lol

A 2-0 soccer game is like a 5-0 baseball game (look up the win expectancies on that), and A LOT of soccer games, even Finals end on that score.

5-0, 5-1 is not a huge lead in a baseball game, and there were many potential Dodger rallies stunted tonight by the Astros defense and Dodgers choking. For those of us who've watched more than 10 baseball games, we know anything can happen in any particular inning until you get out of it, since in baseball (like all well designed sports), you can take the lead from a deficit on a single possession.

[Clipper Nation]

What a shitty ass game 7, tbh. You can say whatever you want about Soccer's limited scoring. But that assures you that 99% of the time, you will get a tense, competitive, engaging game 'till the end, on these kind of finals.

That was a great Game 7. Much closer than the final score. The Dodgers left 10 on base, after all. It only feels anti-climactic when compared to the insanity that was Games 2 and 5... or Game 7 last year, for that matter.

[midnightpulp]

That was a great Game 7. Much closer than the final score. The Dodgers left 10 on base.

He honestly doesn't understand baseball. He evaluates it like he does basketball or soccer, and only considers events where the ball is in play as relevant action.

[DAF86]

I understand human body language just fine, and I know that yawning isn't the result of being engaged, tense or entertained, tbh. :lol

[midnightpulp]

I understand human body language just fine, and I know that yawning isn't the result of being engaged, tense or entertained, tbh. :lol

:lol Cherry picking a couple of people out of 56,000.

Not an argument. You don't understand baseball. That's all.

[lefty]

It's dead, Jim

[lefty]

Game 7 of the World series. Your team is 4 outs away from losing and people are yawning on the stands. :lol

[DAF86]

Yesterday, my soccer team got royally screwed on the semi of the most important southamerican club tournament and I couldn't sleep all night despite having slept only about 4 of the previous 48 hours because of job and study obligations. The idea of yawning during a final game of my favourite team is just inconceivable; but it seems to be a recurrent happening on baseball, tbh.

[DAF86]

:lol Cherry picking a couple of people out of 56,000.

Not an argument. You don't understand baseball. That's all.

There is literally not a single time I zap into a baseball game and not see the shot of a guy yawning or sleeping on the stands, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Yesterday, my soccer team got royally screwed on the semi of the most important southamerican club tournament and I couldn't sleep all night despite having slept only about 4 of the previous 48 hours because of job and study obligations. The idea of yawning during a final game of my favourite team is just inconceivable; but it seems to be a recurrent happening on baseball, tbh.

I'm sure they were royally screwed due to soccer's shitty game design. Definitely a reoccurring theme with that "sport."

I don't get how a couple of fans yawning (yawning doesn't prove anything about anything) out of the hundred thousand people who watched this series in Houston/LA proves anything? Hope you're not studying law, science, or any other kind of field which relies on evidence to prove a case. You guys are bad at that anyway. Why I need to hit you with so many graphs, since it's obvious you don't know how to use google :lol

[DAF86]

I'm sure they were royally screwed due to soccer's shitty game design. Definitely a reoccurring theme with that "sport."

I don't get how a couple of fans yawning (yawning doesn't prove anything about anything) out of the hundred thousand people who watched this series in Houston/LA proves anything? Hope you're not studying law, science, or any other kind of field which relies on evidence to prove a case. You guys are bad at that anyway. Why I need to hit you with so many graphs, since it's obvious you don't know how to use google :lol

Dude, that shit doesn't happen with hardcore fans of any other major team sport on important matches. How many times have you seen folks yawning or sleeping during the superbowl or during the NBA finals? I'm sure that you being the pathological internet arguer that you are will find maybe one or two examples in history; but on these playoffs alone I caught at least 5 games where that happened, including game 7 of the fucking World Series. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Dude, that shit doesn't happen with hardcore fans of any other major team sport on important matches. How many times have you seen folks yawning or sleeping during the superbowl or during the NBA finals? I'm sure that you being the pathological internet arguer that you are will find maybe one or two examples in history; but on these playoffs alone I caught at least 5 games where that happened, including game 7 of the fucking World Series. :lol

What's this prove? Since when is yawning evidence of boredom? You're trying too hard.

[DAF86]

What's this prove? Since when is yawning evidence of boredom? You're trying too hard.

Did you know that there's a physical correlation between yawning and being disengaged/desinterested on something? It is physically impossible to yawn when you are going through the strong emotions that a final match involving your favourite team should provoke.

That is, of course, unless the sport you are watching is a stone age one with the dynamic of a turtles race.

[Clipper Nation]

Yesterday, my soccer team got royally screwed on the semi of the most important southamerican club tournament and I couldn't sleep all night despite having slept only about 4 of the previous 48 hours because of job and study obligations. The idea of yawning during a final game of my favourite team is just inconceivable; but it seems to be a recurrent happening on baseball, tbh.

Sorry, couldn't read your post. I started yawning uncontrollably after the word "soccer" and had to scroll down.

[DAF86]

Sorry, couldn't read your post. I started yawning uncontrollably after the word "soccer" and had to scroll down.

It's understandable. You are not suppossed to be interested in soccer. I expect a baseball fan that pays to see his team live, on the championship game, to be interested, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

Did you know that there's a physical correlation between yawning and being disengaged/desinterested on something? It is physically impossible to yawn when you are going through the strong emotions that a final match involving your favourite team should provoke.

:lol It's a wiki away.


Nervousness has also been suggested as a possible reason. Nervousness often indicates the perception of an impending need for action. Anecdotal evidence suggests that yawning helps increase the state of alertness of a person. Paratroopers have been noted to yawn in the moments before they exit the aircraft.

I suppose those paratroopers were bored right before jumping from 30K feet, right? The increase of pleasurable neurotransmitters can also increase yawning:


Another hypothesis is that yawns are caused by the same chemicals (neurotransmitters) in the brain that affect emotions, mood, appetite, and other phenomena. These chemicals include serotonin, dopamine, glutamic acid, and nitric oxide. As more (or less) of these compounds are activated in the brain, the frequency of yawning increases. Conversely, a greater presence in the brain of opioid neurotransmitters such as endorphins reduces the frequency of yawning.

Anyhow, what's the boring argument prove anyway? Calling something "boring" is the most simple minded and shallow argument there is. When someone is "bored" by something, it's more a reflection of bias than anything else.

"Well, you say soccer is boring."

Usually as a response. I find the sport frustrating because of silly shit like penalty shootouts and diving in the box for penalties and then basically getting awarded a free goal. I also talk down soccer because its fans think it was gifted by God himself. It's a fuckin goal sport that has about 6 million other sports that are similar to it. Do I find its design a bit uncompelling? Sure. It's derivative, like a McDonalds cheeseburger, but I'm not "bored" by McDonald's cheeseburgers.

[DAF86]

:lol It's a wiki away.



I suppose those paratroopers were bored right before jumping from 30K feet, right? The increase of pleasurable neurotransmitters can also increase yawning:



Anyhow, what's the boring argument prove anyway? Calling something "boring" is the most simple minded and shallow argument there is. When someone is "bored" by something, it's more a reflection of bias than anything else.

"Well, you say soccer is boring."

Usually as a response. I find the sport frustrating because of silly shit like penalty shootouts and diving in the box for penalties and then basically getting awarded a free goal. I also talk down soccer because its fans think it was gifted by God himself. It's a fuckin goal sport that has about 6 million other sports that are similar to it. Do I find its design a bit uncompelling? Sure. It's derivative, like a McDonalds cheeseburger, but I'm not "bored" by McDonald's cheeseburgers.

If yawning out of nervousness were so common why don't we see it on high pressure situations more often? Why don't we see fans of other sports yawning in finals?

[midnightpulp]

If yawning out of nervousness were so common why don't we see it on high pressure situations more often. We don't we see fans of other sports yawning in finals?

Point is, yawning has various causes. Until you get those people's opinion on the game, I don't know why they yawned.

What's this prove? What's the "boring" adjective prove?

[DAF86]

Point is, yawning has various causes. Until you get those people's opinion on the game, I don't know why they yawned.

What's this prove? What's the "boring" adjective prove?

I don't know. You are the one that brought the word "boring" to the argument, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

I don't know. You are the one that brought the word "boring" to the argument, tbh.

Me? You bring up the word every time as an insult to describe baseball. I think boring is a pretty stupid adjective in the first place. It's the shallowest of all criticisms.

[DAF86]

Me? You bring up the word every time as an insult to describe baseball. I think boring is a pretty stupid adjective in the first place. It's the shallowest of all criticisms.

Boring is just an opinion, you can't argue opinions. And I didn't brought it here, so I don't know why you did it, tbh.

[webshad]

If yawning out of nervousness were so common why don't we see it on high pressure situations more often? Why don't we see fans of other sports yawning in finals?

Yes, I have seen Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan and even Micheael Jordan yawn at the free throw line out of nervousness during the NBA finals. WTF brah!!!!
I have also seen Ronaldo yawn during a pentaly kick and Josh Beckett yawn during the Red Soxs final. *sarcasm* Just pure stupidness.

Seriously, baseball has a lot of dead moments (even after every single pitch) whether people want to admit it or not, and fans due yawn out of boredom during those moments.

[midnightpulp]

Boring is just an opinion, you can't argue opinions. And I didn't brought it here, so I don't know why you did it, tbh.

You're implying the opinion through telling me about the people who yawned. And I know you find baseball boring, you stated it many times. I think it's a shallow criticism and runs contrary to your supposed open-mindedness toward any and all sports. ALL sports have their own unique nuances that any open minded person can appreciate and be entertained by. There's just not enough time to watch all sports, obviously.

[midnightpulp]

Yes, I have seen Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan and even Micheael Jordan yawn at the free throw line out of nervousness during the NBA finals. WTF brah!!!!
I have also seen Ronaldo yawn during a pentaly kick and Josh Beckett yawn during the Red Soxs final. *sarcasm* Just pure stupidness.

Seriously, baseball has a lot of dead moments (even after every single pitch) whether people want to admit it or not, and fans due yawn out of boredom during those moments.

:tu

And I agree that baseball's dead moments needed to be sped up. No reason for 30 seconds between pitches and endless mound visits.

[DAF86]

:tu

And I agree that baseball's dead moments needed to be sped up. No reason for 30 seconds between pitches and endless mound visits.

Why are you thumb-upping son? Did you miss the *sarcasm* part? :lol

[DAF86]

Me? You bring up the word every time as an insult to describe baseball. I think boring is a pretty stupid adjective in the first place. It's the shallowest of all criticisms.

I do find baseball boring. That's a a subjective feeling that you can't control. You either like something or you don't. And I do keep an open mind and from time to time I enjoy some particular little things from baseball.

Anyway, I'm not implying shit on this case. I'm just stating a fact, which is that baseball is a slow game, and even hardcore baseball fans show the results of that.

[midnightpulp]

Why are you thumb-uppong son? Did you miss the *sarcasm* part? :lol

I did miss that. But I would not be surprised if it happened, since the nervousness theory has supporting evidence.

More:


Well, a new study suggests that you may not really be yawning because it's contagious, or you're bored or tired.
You're actually yawning because your brain is too hot.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/08/health/time-yawn-brain-hot/index.html

Nervousness would indeed increase brain temperature.

[midnightpulp]

I do find baseball boring. That's a a subjective feeling that you can't control. You either like something or you don't. And I do keep an open mind and from time to time I enjoy some particular little things from baseball.

Anyway, I'm not implying shit on this case. I'm just stating a fact, which is that baseball is a slow game, and even hardcore baseball fans show the results of that.[/B]

Your sample size isn't convincing of anything. And we still don't know the root cause of yawning. Why not bring up the fans in Houston who literally did not sit down over the 3 games there?

What are the things you enjoy about baseball?

[DAF86]

Your sample size isn't convincing of anything. And we still don't know the root cause of yawning. Why not bring up the fans in Houston who literally did not sit down over the 3 games there?

What are the things you enjoy about baseball?

Almost everygame I catch on TV showing ar least one shot of a guy either sleeping or yawning is not a convincing sample size? :lol

You don't even have to take my word for it. Everyone that is reading this, and is honest with himself, knows that when they watch a baseball game on TV there's a high possibility of watching at least a shot of a sleepy guy on the stands. It seldom fails to happen. You are going to say that that is not true, that I'm exaggerating, but you know it's true son. You have to at least admit that is something that happens semi-regularly on baseball games and it doesn't tend to happen in any other major team sport.

Regarding what I like from baseball: I enjoy when a guy fully connects a ball with a nice, smooth swing, a physics-breaking pitch, an impressive defensive play.

[midnightpulp]

Almost everygame I catch on TV showing ar least one shot of a guy either sleeping or yawning is not a convincing sample size? :lol

You don't even have to take my word for it. Everyone that is reading this, and is honest with himself, knows that when they watch a baseball game on TV there's a high possibility of watching at least a shot of a sleepy guy on the stands. It seldom fails to happen. You are going to say that that is not true, that I'm exaggerating, but you know it's true son. You have to at least admit that is something that happens semi-regularly on baseball games and it doesn't tend to happen in any other major team sport.

Regarding what I like from baseball: I enjoy when a guy fully connects a ball with a nice, smooth swing, a physics-breaking pitch, an impressive defensive play.

Out of the thousands in attendance. Pretty small sample size. I also fail to see the point. More people would likely fall asleep watching the Godfather or Citizen Kane than while watching Daddy's Home 2. What's this prove?

[rasuo214]

Not sure why it matters if someone falls asleep during a game. Over a 3 hour period someone is likely to fall asleep during any event. The difference is most sports don't get as many crowd shots as a baseball games does. I mean there's basically a constant shot of fans in the background for every pitch.

[DAF86]

Out of the thousands in attendance. Pretty small sample size. I also fail to see the point. More people would likely fall asleep watching the Godfather or Citizen Kane than while watching Daddy's Home 2. What's this prove?

Well, out of thousands in attendance you don't see folks getting asleep in other sports, as often as in baseball, and much less on important matches.

[midnightpulp]

Well, out of thousands in attendance you don't see folks getting asleep in other sports, as often as in baseball, and much less on important matches.

I saw no one fall asleep this post-season aside from a kid who was probably 4 hours past his bedtime.

[dabom]

Baseball is boring as shit. :lol

[Thebesteva]

I saw no one fall asleep this post-season aside from a kid who was probably 4 hours past his bedtime.

Lmao weren't you arguing with me
this time last year over baseball not being boring? Why do you get all hippie over this issue?

[RD2191]

Baseball is boring as shit. :lol

It really is. :lol

[140]

Baseball is boring as shit. :lol
:lol tbh

[Darth_Pelican]

:lol Puig

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/yasiel-puigs-house-burglarized-game-7-152820175.html

[The Gemini Method]

:lol Puig

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/yasiel-puigs-house-burglarized-game-7-152820175.html When it rains, it pours it seems.

[Trainwreck2100]

When it rains, it pours it seems.

or when you know a millionaire ain't home you gonna jack his shit

[The Gemini Method]

or when you know a millionaire ain't home you gonna jack his shit You would think that said millionaire would have at least a state-of-the-art security system. Inside job? Or some real heavy duty criminal types. Or, like the Dodgers' offense failed, did he fail to set the code?

[lefty]

When it rains, it pours it seems.

When it rains, beisbol games are postponed

[dabom]

When it rains, beisbol games are postponed
:lol

[140]

When it rains, beisbol games are postponed
:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

When it rains, beisbol games are postponed
Football matches called off due to poor weather as rain and snow batters England

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/football-matches-called-off-due-to-poor-weather-as-rain-and-snow-batters-england-8546802.html

[midnightpulp]

:wow Huge number for a 5-0 game not backed by any kind of story line (don't really think the Hurricane storyline crosses over) or featuring Lebron/Curry level megastars. About the same number as Game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals.

926185472581361664

[midnightpulp]

Football matches called off due to poor weather as rain and snow batters England

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/football-matches-called-off-due-to-poor-weather-as-rain-and-snow-batters-england-8546802.html

The rain "burn" is probably the stupidest thing the povertyball crew has come up with. A pitcher would have little control of a wet ball and could potentially bean someone in the face, while the field would get waterlogged and every groundball hit would just die in the mud.

[lefty]

Football matches called off due to poor weather as rain and snow batters England

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/football-matches-called-off-due-to-poor-weather-as-rain-and-snow-batters-england-8546802.html
Snow and heavy rain

A few drops are too much for beisbol :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Snow and heavy rain

A few drops are too much for beisbol :lol
Boiled down:::povertyball actresses can't perform in the rain.

[midnightpulp]

Snow and heavy rain

A few drops are too much for beisbol :lol

Quit fronting, Lefty. You've been watching baseball long enough to know it's impossible to play in rain at a high level. Try tracking a 120mph ball in a misty environment.

A few drops of rain also too much for basketball. It's why they play it indoors.

[DAF86]

:wow Huge number for a 5-0 game not backed by any kind of story line (don't really think the Hurricane storyline crosses over) or featuring Lebron/Curry level megastars. About the same number as Game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals.

926185472581361664

Wait, basketball games have higher ratings than baseball? I thought baseball was more popular in the US.

[midnightpulp]

Wait, basketball games have highee ratings than baseball. I thought baseball was more popular in the US.

Last year's Game 7 was higher rated than any basketball game in history. This game higher rated than every basketball game in history aside from the Cleveland Curse game 7 and Jordan Finals. And no megastars or storylines needed. The NBA Finals would struggle to break 15 million sans Curry/Lebron.

[FkLA]

Thing is you're trying to equate two games/sports (like billiards and gaming, moreso gaming) where athleticism doesn't really play a significant role in the outcome (e.g. you can't jump higher, run faster, throw harder, etc to gain an advantage in a Starcraft match) to sports that pretty much everyone who isn't biased agree prominently feature all around athleticism (like baseball).

I would also argue modern golf is an athletic sport. This isn't the golf of Craig Stadler and John Daly. A golf swing is a pretty intense athletic event that uses the entire body in unison. If you're not in great physical condition, expect major back and hip problems throughout your career. Definitely not an athlete:

http://nygolffitnessguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Rory-McIIroy.jpg

Like I said, your view of athleticism is narrow. I consider it the ability to control several parts of your body well enough to get them working together in unison in order to perform some physical feat (swinging, throwing, kicking, etc). If anything, "running around" is the least athletic of the various core traits because it's simple to do right out of the proverbial box. I would consider peak Tiger Woods a better athlete than Usain Bolt, because the athletic skill Tiger had to learn is a lot more multidimensional than just running fast in a straight line.

Oh right, post a pic of a golfer that also happens to work out. That must mean it's because of the physical demands of golf. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Actually, this game was higher rated than Game 7, 2016. 18.2 vs. 15.8, means 18.2 million households vs. 15.8.

[midnightpulp]

Oh right, post a pic of a golfer that also happens to work out. That must mean it's because of the physical demands of golf. :lol

Still no argument, I see.

Golf is more physically demanding. Requires the learning of very precise total body movement in order to play proficiently. Running around a track doesn't require much of anything to perform except pure effort (and yes, I know sprinters learn how to stride properly, but that really isn't shit). Don't know why you continue the simple mindset of "tiring=physically demanding."

[FkLA]

http://www.paradoxstudiosdigital.com/uploads/5/1/3/5/51358617/3857236.png?216

This guy literally makes youtube vids for a living. He must have that physique bc being a Youtuber is so demanding. :cry

[midnightpulp]

http://www.paradoxstudiosdigital.com/uploads/5/1/3/5/51358617/3857236.png?216

This guy literally makes youtube vids for a living. He must have that physique bc being a Youtuber is so demanding. :cry

Not an argument. Does posting videos on youtube require the precise function of legs, hips, arms, back, head all "athletically" functioning together to hit a ball to a precise spot some 300 yards away?

Running around is the least impressive and demanding shit there is. It's why kids love to do it :lol

:cry I'm breathing heavy, so it must be demanding :cry

[midnightpulp]

Oh right, post a pic of a golfer that also happens to work out. That must mean it's because of the physical demands of golf. :lol

Oh, and didn't I get done just telling you that, yes, he needs that body because of the physical demands of golf. It wreaks hell on your hips and back. Usain Bolt runs in a straight line for about 10 seconds, gets to take 2 hour breaks between heats, and two days between semi-final/final, is under little-to-no pressure to perform any type of fine motor skill, but he's the worlds greatest athlete or something because...

[140]

Still no argument, I see.

Golf is more physically demanding. Requires the learning of very precise total body movement in order to play proficiently. Running around a track doesn't require much of anything to perform except pure effort (and yes, I know sprinters learn how to stride properly, but that really isn't shit). Don't know why you continue the simple mindset of "tiring=physically demanding."
Yeah, makes sense. That's probably why it's the favourite sport of retirees across USA :lol

[140]

The physical demands of golf:


https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/golf/1475780000/fatboygolf.jpg

[DAF86]

One can clearly tell midnightpulp has never jogged continually for any extended period of time. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, makes sense. That's probably why it's the favourite sport of retirees across USA :lol

They don't play golf at a high level. Citing fat recreational players is still not an argument. I can do that too.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/20/08/3053708600000578-0-image-a-48_1453277769451.jpg

[midnightpulp]

One can clearly tell midnightpulp has never jogged continually for any extended period of time. :lol

Yes, Hell Week in football requires no jogging for extended periods of time, not in 100 degree SoCal heat, often in full pads (this was before all the Heat Stroke controversy of those kinds of practices). Basketball took over many summers with 3 and 4 hour days common. You get tired, big fuckin' deal. A laborer will also get tired roofing for 8 hours in the Sun.

What's impressive about that? It's just about effort and exercise. Nothing to learn, nothing to "perform," no need to control your adrenaline to better execute some fine motor skill, no paying attention to your body to keep it in unison for mechanical purposes. Furthermore, weight training kicks your ass far more than jogging.

Least impressive athletic feat. It's why 102 year olds comfortably finish marathons.

[FkLA]

Such a joke that you would argue that that type of body is needed to play golf professionally.

Daly?
Bitch tits Mickelson?
Bitch tits Singh?

Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's a bunch others in PGA tour events.

[FkLA]

http://listafterlist.com/fattest-golfers-on-the-pga-tour/

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.golf.com/photos/golfers-girth

You need to be in tip top shape to be a pro golfer tho :cry

[midnightpulp]

Such a joke that you would argue that that type of body is needed to play golf professionally.

Daly?
Bitch tits Mickelson?
Bitch tits Singh?

Those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's a bunch others in PGA your events.

Always funny how you focus on the outliers to make "your case." I can do that too by citing the terrible, bony unathletic bodies of players like Di Maria and Crouch. Or how about bitchtits and dadgut Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Jameis Winston, and even Tom Brady?

[midnightpulp]

http://listafterlist.com/fattest-golfers-on-the-pga-tour/

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.golf.com/photos/golfers-girth

You need to be in tip top shape to be a pro golfer tho :cry

:lmao Only elite player out of the bunch is Nicklaus and maybe Stadler. :lol List of Amateur champs and seniors.

Still, a fat guy coordinating his body precisely to execute a good golf shot is more impressive physically than just jogging around or running fast in a straight line.

[unleashbaynes]

Oh right, post a pic of a golfer that also happens to work out. That must mean it's because of the physical demands of golf. :lol

Well, yeah. A pro golfer hits a ton of balls every day. Range time for 3-4 hours, short game work for 2-3 hours, then playing 18 holes. Then hitting more balls when they're done. And they don't get to use a golf cart during tournaments.

Hell, i'll bet their caddies get more of a workout lugging a staff bag up and down the golf course for 4 days straight than any soccer players get during a game :lol

[midnightpulp]

Well, yeah. A pro golfer hits a ton of balls every day. Range time for 3-4 hours, short game work for 2-3 hours, then playing 18 holes. Then hitting more balls when they're done. And they don't get to use a golf cart during tournaments.

Hell, i'll bet their caddies get more of a workout lugging a staff bag up and down the golf course for 4 days straight than any soccer players get during a game :lol

Dunno why FKLA focuses on fatness so much? His favorite sport is the fattest in the world.

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http://listafterlist.com/fattest-golfers-on-the-pga-tour/

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.golf.com/photos/golfers-girth

You need to be in tip top shape to be a pro golfer tho :cry
"Porky Oliver"

:lmao:lmao:lmao

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http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/kansas-city-missouri-missouri-chop-talk-ed-porky-oliver-of-lemont-picture-id515508334

[midnightpulp]

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/kansas-city-missouri-missouri-chop-talk-ed-porky-oliver-of-lemont-picture-id515508334

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/470128487-oliver-miller-of-the-sacramento-kings-during-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7Qb7y1%2Bl9PqATvD2wm6yYkkGMb9 nvDwtWJPVCURYkkj6q7CNc%2BZg3YzXWoUQqu1LQYQ%3D%3D

[unleashbaynes]

Sad that a guy who's stock photo is him eating a full rack of ribs is still more of an athlete than any soccer player, ever

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http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/470128487-oliver-miller-of-the-sacramento-kings-during-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7Qb7y1%2Bl9PqATvD2wm6yYkkGMb9 nvDwtWJPVCURYkkj6q7CNc%2BZg3YzXWoUQqu1LQYQ%3D%3D
Porky was an 8 time PGA tour winner, don't disrespect him comparing him to a nobody like that

[Silver&Black]

We've got to take a closer look at the words "athlete" and "athletic". This board is losing it's mind on some of these descriptions....

You're not "athletic" just because you can run a million miles. Sorry but when I watch the Boston Marathon and see some skinny ass Kenyan winning it I don't go "Wow. Look at that athletic 5'3" 110lb man." Can he run forever without stopping? Yeah. Can he bench press 150 pounds? Probably not.

Sorry guys but I'll never be board with calling all those bird-chested dudes in povertyball "athletes".

On the flip side of the coin...are there fat slobs who play beisbol? Yes. And I won't call them athletes either. Here's the difference in the two IMO. If you picked out a professional beisbol player at random would you get a dude who looks like Prince Fielder? Probably not. If you picked out a povertyball player at random would you get a dude with the chest of a 8 year old boy? Probably.

[midnightpulp]

We've got to take a closer look at the words "athlete" and "athletic". This board is losing it's mind on some of these descriptions....

You're not "athletic" just because you can run a million miles. Sorry but when I watch the Boston Marathon and see some skinny ass Kenyan winning it I don't go "Wow. Look at that athletic 5'3" 110lb man." Can he run forever without stopping? Yeah. Can he bench press 150 pounds? Probably not.

Sorry guys but I'll never be board with calling all those bird-chested dudes in povertyball "athletes".

On the flip side of the coin...are there fat slobs who play beisbol? Yes. And I won't call them athletes either. Here's the difference in the two IMO. If you picked out a professional beisbol player at random would you get a dude who looks like Prince Fielder? Probably not. If you picked out a povertyball player at random would you get a dude with the chest of a 8 year old boy? Probably.

I agree. And as I said, I consider an athletic action something that requires a bunch of body parts and muscles working together to perform a swing, kick, tackle, throw, jump, sprint whatever. The more moving parts used in a precise way, the more athletic the action in my mind. Running is full body, but doesn't necessarily require that much precision to do well. Just effort. Pitching requires an extraordinary level of full body precision (and effort), so I consider it the more athletic event than running. Same with hitting, quarterbacking, etc.

I would consider a fat guy an athlete if he can still execute a well rounded athletic task at a high level. I'm sure you consider Vince Wilfork an athlete? And sometimes they need that weight (like a lineman). CC Sabathia, who is constantly posted, lost a shitload of weight one off-season and looked more like an NBA small forward than his current self. But the downside is he lost velocity on his fastball and got hammered. He then intentionally regained weight.

[lefty]

Boiled down:::povertyball actresses can't perform in the rain.
Michael Jordan is the GOAT tbh

[lefty]

Quit fronting, Lefty. You've been watching baseball long enough to know it's impossible to play in rain at a high level. Try tracking a 120mph ball in a misty environment.

A few drops of rain also too much for basketball. It's why they play it indoors.
Again with MPH thing????

[Clipper Nation]

Michael Jordan is the GOAT tbh
:lol Good one.

[midnightpulp]

Again with MPH thing????

Yes. Faster moving objects in any sport are tougher to deal with. Why do you hand wave that away like it's not important?

Know what happens when of those balls hits you square in the head? Brain surgery.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp-matt-shoemaker-angels-20160905-snap-story.html

:lol at acting like you don't know any of this. You used to always be in the MLB forum posting, even telling people they don't shit about baseball. I remember, left.

[lefty]

Yes. Faster moving objects in any sport are tougher to deal with. Why do you hand wave that away like it's not important?

Know what happens when of those balls hits you square in the head? Brain surgery.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp-matt-shoemaker-angels-20160905-snap-story.html

:lol at acting like you don't know any of this. You used to always be in the MLB forum posting, even telling people they don't shit about baseball. I remember, left.

Blah.

Fatnecks hitting the ball at XXX MPH is pure luck tbh

[midnightpulp]

Blah.

Fatnecks hitting the ball at XXX MPH is pure luck tbh

:lol no.

Players are remarkably consistent throughout their careers.

Comeback to baseball, left.


Oh man
Memories

Nos Amours :depressed

Fuck you Loria, fuck you Selig

Fuck you 1994 lockout

Fuck you L.A Dodgers

Them Expos. What a team. The passion the fans had for them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cIMEbcFuLc

[lefty]

:lol reaching

[RD2191]

When it rains, beisbol games are postponed

:lmao

[Splits]

When it rains, beisbol games are postponed

lmao

[FkLA]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/rory-mcilroy-working-out-too-much-2015-4

Working out too much bc he lifts. They said the same shit about Tigger. Such a demanding "sport". :lmao

[midnightpulp]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/rory-mcilroy-working-out-too-much-2015-4

Working out too much bc he lifts. They said the same shit about Tigger. Such a demanding "sport". :lmao

Did you read?


Getting in shape hasn't hurt McIlroy yet. As McGregor argues, McIlroy's swing is more consistent, he's tighter in his core, and less reliant on arm and hand strength, which can produce variables in a swing.

And for a long time excessive muscle mass was thought to reduce flexibility and coordination. It's why NBA players in the 80s were loathe to lift, since they thought it would affect their shot.

You also still haven't supported your case of why running around is so "demanding." Like I said, you have a very simplistic view of athleticism.

[FkLA]

Did you read?



And for a long time excessive muscle mass was thought to reduce flexibility and coordination. It's why NBA players in the 80s were loathe to lift, since they thought it would affect their shot.

You also still haven't supported your case of why running around is so "demanding." Like I said, you have a very simplistic view of athleticism.

Running around while simultaneously performing world class moves is demanding. Real athletes expend insane amounts of energy and still manage to perform at an elite level. In Fatball and Golf you take a couple of swings and are free to chew sunflower seeds and ride golf carts the other 95% of the time. Fatball and golf are games not sports.

[midnightpulp]

Running around while simultaneously performing world class moves is demanding. Real athletes expend insane amounts of energy and still manage to perform at an elite level. In Fatball and Golf you take a couple of swings and are free to chew sunflower seeds and ride golf carts the other 95% of the time. Fatball and golf are games not sports.

:lol

There's nothing insane about soccer's 5mph average speed over 90 minutes. Nothing insane about basketball's 400 calorie per hour burn. And your favorite sport, the actual fatball, doesn't tax endurance at all. And pitching is actually more demanding than ANYTHING you see in soccer, basketball, and football. Hitting is more demanding, because of the coordination it requires the athlete to have throughout his entire body. It's so difficult, that the adrenaline buildup you can use as an advantage in other sports, will fuck you up at the plate, since the fine motor skill pressure you are under is A LOT more demanding than dribbling a ball, kicking a ball, shooting a ball, or carrying a ball.

Your argument also disqualifies volleyball players, decathletes, short track sprinters, shotputters, javelin throwers, discus throwers, divers as real athletes. Do you realize how stupid you sound now?

[FkLA]

On the flip side of the coin...are there fat slobs who play beisbol? Yes. And I won't call them athletes either. Here's the difference in the two IMO. If you picked out a professional beisbol player at random would you get a dude who looks like Prince Fielder? Probably not. If you picked out a povertyball player at random would you get a dude with the chest of a 8 year old boy? Probably.

That's just ignorance on your part. Most soccer players lift, especially in the top European leagues. Most have abs, a decent amount of muscle for their weight (especially those of African descent (no racist)), and a ridiculously low bodyfat percentage. They aren't out there looking like middle linebackers but theyre also far from looking like cyclists or marathon runners, tbh.

http://www.stayfitbug.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/didier-drogba-muscles.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTzaPyOvQrHKh0igt3mt4hqSHIiGDqz 0xK6vUvfsO9oF-pIeDVKA

http://www.stayfitbug.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/CarlesPuyol.jpg

Even Gaynaldo and Messi:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-nyfOfzE9FzkKhSY0tg5fXv9xo8N5pYhLdn3nhY2aizDhnGsXhA

https://www.36ng.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/wp-1505162262843.jpg

[FkLA]

:lol

There's nothing insane about soccer's 5mph average speed over 90 minutes. Nothing insane about basketball's 400 calorie per hour burn. And your favorite sport, the actual fatball, doesn't tax endurance at all. And pitching is actually more demanding than ANYTHING you see in soccer, basketball, and football. Hitting is more demanding, because of the coordination it requires the athlete to have throughout his entire body. It's so difficult, that the adrenaline buildup you can use as an advantage in other sports, will fuck you up at the plate, since the fine motor skill pressure you are under is A LOT more demanding than dribbling a ball, kicking a ball, shooting a ball, or carrying a ball.

Your argument also disqualifies volleyball players, decathletes, short track sprinters, shotputters, javelin throwers, discus throwers, divers as real athletes. Do you realize how stupid you sound now?

Volleyball players expend far more energy than fatball players. Track and field events like the ones you mentioned+diving aren't considered major sports, I think everyone realizes that those athletes are specialists. Nothing wrong with that. If fatball stops pretending to be a real, major sport and wants to call itself a league full of specialists (guys that can swing a bat at an elite level) I'd have no problem with that either.

Starting pitchers can call themselves real athletes but that's about it. Bullpen pitchers are specialists too.

[Silver&Black]

A swole midget is still a midget.

[midnightpulp]

Volleyball players expend far more energy than fatball players. Track and field events like the ones you mentioned+diving aren't considered major sports, I think everyone realizes that those athletes are specialists. Nothing wrong with that. If fatball stops pretending to be a real, major sport and wants to call itself a league full of specialists (guys that can swing a bat at an elite level) I'd have no problem with that either.

Volleyball players do not. I knew you would overrate the "demands" of that sport just because the ball is in play a lot. It's a sport centered around jumping from static positions, with only a couple of players designated as attackers. Full court volleyball is nowhere close to an endurance sport and doesn't tax you at all in that regard. I'm not saying elite volleyball players aren't great athletes, because they are since they're some of the best jumpers in sports with top tier reaction times, but they do not "have to perform a skill while expending intense amounts of energy."


If the intensity of the game escalates to a competitive pace, the same person burns 178 calories in 30 minutes.


A 160-lb. person who plays baseball for 30 minutes burns 182 calories, according to HealthStatus.

What now?

[midnightpulp]

And :lol at FkLA calling baseball players specialists. Aside from pitchers and DHs, all baseball positions require a set of well-rounded athletic traits and skills. And the outfielder and middle infielder positions have more well-rounded athletes than any one position you'll find in basketball and football. Easy to prove, too.

[FkLA]

A swole midget is still a midget.

Fatball's MVP is like 5-3...

[midnightpulp]

Fatball's MVP is like 5-3...

5'6" and is also more athletic than any TwinkTrot player. Dude reaches 22 mph over 90 feet. Usain Bolt reached about 23.5-24 mph over that distance during his world record time.

[FkLA]

Volleyball players do not. I knew you would overrate the "demands" of that sport just because the ball is in play a lot. It's a sport centered around jumping from static positions, with only a couple of players designated as attackers. Full court volleyball is nowhere close to an endurance sport and doesn't tax you at all in that regard. I'm not saying elite volleyball players aren't great athletes, because they are since they're some of the best jumpers in sports with top tier reaction times, but they do not "have to perform a skill while expending intense amounts of energy."





What now?

Nah. There's way more motion in volleyball, therefore there's more energy expenditure. That's common sense.


You can burn 90-475 calories playing softball for 30 minutes.

It depends on how much you weigh, how much you move around, and if you’re playing catch or a playing a game.


You can burn 105 – 765 calories playing 30 minutes of volleyball.

It depends on how much you weigh, how much you move, and if you’re playing for fun or competitively.

[FkLA]

And :lol at FkLA calling baseball players specialists. Aside from pitchers and DHs, all baseball positions require a set of well-rounded athletic traits and skills. And the outfielder and middle infielder positions have more well-rounded athletes than any one position you'll find in basketball and football. Easy to prove, too.

And those "skills" are used once or twice a game and the specialists don't have to deal with fatigue. :td

[midnightpulp]

Nah. There's way more motion in volleyball, therefore there's more energy expenditure. That's common sense.

That 765 number is probably 2 man volleyball, which is a gimmick form of volleyball. Full 6 on 6 volleyball isn't burning those calories. You don't engage in enough aerobic activity for that to be possible (i.e. you don't run nor continuously jump). Points are over too quickly and then they wait about 15-20 seconds between each serve. Doesn't test stamina at all.

[FkLA]

That 765 number is probably 2 man volleyball, which is a gimmick form of volleyball. Full 6 on 6 volleyball isn't burning those calories. You don't engage in enough aerobic activity for that to be possible (i.e. you don't run nor continuously jump). Points are over too quickly and then they wait about 15-20 seconds between each serve. Doesn't test stamina at all.

A 15-20 second wait is still a hell of alot better than sitting on your ass in a dugout chewing sunflower seeds, tbh.

[FkLA]

Do Fatball players get ass pads to deal with the long hours sitting in the dugout?

[midnightpulp]

And those "skills" are used once or twice a game and the specialists don't have to deal with fatigue. :td

Hitters face about 20 pitches per game. Every hitter. That's the amount of shot attempts an NBA star gets. Fielders perform anywhere from 2-4 putouts per game. And :lol the only few times per game argument. So the fuck what? When those chances occur, it takes some of the most well rounded athletes in sports to perform them. This is another silly arbitrary cherry pick of yours. "Well, they need to do it this amount of times for it to matter."

Also, mental fatigue and mental pressure>>>>>>>>>>demanding than anything physical. Basketball, football, and soccer can't even compare in that regard. Hardest thing to do in sports is to perform when you get a chance to think about it. Easiest thing to do is combat choking through effort (i.e. running faster, jumping higher). Effort works against you in baseball, which why it's the tougher sport than any of those.

[midnightpulp]

A 15-20 second wait is still a hell of alot better than sitting on your ass in a dugout chewing sunflower seeds, tbh.

How about when the offense or defense is off the field in the actual fatball for 20 minutes and can be seen eating hotdogs or sucking down oxygen after running 60 yards? That's 180 feet=double. Never seen Fielder or Pablo Sandoval demand oxygen after lacing a double :)

[FkLA]

Hitters face about 20 pitches per game. Every hitter. That's the amount of shot attempts an NBA star gets. Fielders perform anywhere from 2-4 putouts per game. And :lol the only few times per game argument. So the fuck what? When those chances occur, it takes some of the most well rounded athletes in sports to perform them. This is another silly arbitrary cherry pick of yours. "Well, they need to do it this amount of times for it to matter."

Also, mental fatigue and mental pressure>>>>>>>>>>demanding than anything physical. Basketball, football, and soccer can't even compare in that regard. Hardest thing to do in sports is to perform when you get a chance to think about it. Easiest thing to do is combat choking through effort (i.e. running faster, jumping higher). Effort works against you in baseball, which why it's the tougher sport than any of those.

That's a stupid thing to bring up. If all shooters did was shoot they wouldn't be athletes either. It's not like anybody considers a 3PT shooting contest anything more than just a silly game. OTOH, that's literally all fatball players do aside from fielding 2-4 plays. They probably just stare and don't move for about 30-40% of the pitches they face too. :lol

[FkLA]

How about when the offense or defense is off the field in the actual fatball for 20 minutes and can be seen eating hotdogs or sucking down oxygen after running 60 yards? That's 180 feet=double. Never seen Fielder or Pablo Sandoval demand oxygen after lacing a double :)

My guess is they want to be ready in the event that they have to go out there quickly if a turnover occurs. I'm sure if they had a guaranteed hour (atleast) of sitting in a dugout+standing around playing "defense" like fatball players do after an at-bat they probably wouldn't use oxygen either.

[midnightpulp]

That's a stupid thing to bring up. If all shooters did was shoot they wouldn't be athletes either. It's not like anybody considers a 3PT shooting contest anything more than just a silly game. OTOH, that's literally all fatball players do aside from fielding 2-4 plays. They probably just stare and don't move for about 30-40% of the pitches they face too. :lol

Swinging is a much more total athletic event than shooting, one of the most total in sports. You probably think it's "easy" because you can slowly swing a bat (you probably think you're swinging real hard, but you aren't) and hit a slowly pitched softball weakly, but if we put a swing speed sensor on your bat, you'd probably generate 30mph and have terrible technique to boot. Elite baseball players generate 90-100mph.

What's the difference between jogging up and down the court 20 times vs. swinging a bat 20 times? And like I said, hitting is the more demanding athletic trait because of the precise full body coordination it requires.

[midnightpulp]

My guess is they want to be ready in the event that they have to go out there quickly if a turnover occurs. I'm sure if they had a guaranteed hour (atleast) of sitting in a dugout+standing around playing "defense" like fatball players do after an at-bat they probably wouldn't use oxygen either.

Sure they do :lol

You never played football, did you? There's absolutely nothing tiring about it unless you are significantly overweight (any activity tires out overweight people). They do have a guaranteed hour. Half time is 15 minutes and there's 60 minutes of commercials every game. And sometimes drives can last 30 minutes before possession switches.

http://r1ventures.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/football-1.png?resize=283%2C380

[FkLA]

Swinging is a much more total athletic event than shooting, one of the most total in sports. You probably think it's "easy" because you can slowly swing a bat (you probably think you're swinging real hard, but you aren't) and hit a slowly pitched softball weakly, but if we put a swing speed sensor on your bat, you'd probably generate 30mph and have terrible technique to boot. Elite baseball players generate 90-100mph.

What's the difference between jogging up and down the court 20 times vs. swinging a bat 20 times? And like I said, hitting is the more demanding athletic trait because of the precise full body coordination it requires.

I mean you made the comparison to shooting not me. I can concede that the energy expenditure+athletic demands of hitting is more than that of shooting. When you factor in the entirety of basketball it flips pretty quickly though.


Sure they do :lol

You never played football, did you? There's absolutely nothing tiring about it unless you are significantly overweight (any activity tires out overweight people). They do have a guaranteed hour. Half time is 15 minutes and there's 60 minutes of commercials every game. And sometimes drives can last 30 minutes before possession switches.

http://r1ventures.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/football-1.png?resize=283%2C380

Do you know what the definition of guaranteed is? What happens if the offense turns it over on the very next play or they go 3 and out?

You don't see oxygen masks in lower levels. I don't even think I've ever seen them in a college game. I'm pretty sure this is just a case of NFL teams using them bc they are billion dollar industries that will spare no expense to keep their bread and butter (players) in top form, and not bc they are so out of shape that they'd collapse otherwise. That's just a stupid, desperate suggestion. :lol

[midnightpulp]

I mean you made the comparison to shooting not me. I can concede that the energy expenditure+athletic demands of hitting is more than that of shooting. When you factor in the entirety of basketball it flips pretty quickly though.


5 on 5 basketball isn't really that high octane. The players who move the most in basketball (PGs) average less than 5mph over the full game. Basketball could be played every day. There's been studies that show that players don't see any drop in production on back-to-backs. What screws up players the most is actually travel. That's why I'm puzzled that you bring up fatigue to make your case. Basketball's endurance demands are nothing extraordinary to the point of worth mentioning. It's not a triathlon.

I see it like this (athletically demanding): Hitting>shooting, chasing down fly ball at max sprint/max sprint around bases>dribble drive penetration or getting back on defense, throwing>passing and shot blocking, jumping to catch ball=dunking, one-on-one defense (lateral quickness)>breaking on fly ball, infield ground ball. The "amount used" argument is silly. End of the day, the athleticism is used and that athleticism needs to be in peak form to meet a certain standard. This is why you ignore the decathlon example. They only "get to use their athleticism" a few times per meet over two days and don't battle any fatigue. But only a complete loon would say they aren't real athletes.



Do you know what the definition of guaranteed is? What happens if the offense turns it over on the very next play or they go 3 and out?

You don't see oxygen masks in lower levels. I don't even think I've ever seen them in a college game. I'm pretty sure this is just a case of NFL teams using them bc they are billion dollar industries that will spare no expense to keep their bread and butter (players) in top form, and not bc they are so out of shape that they'd collapse otherwise. That's just a stupid, desperate suggestion. :lol

No, it's because NFL players are significantly fatter than players at the lower levels. Fat lineman recovers a fumble, trots 40 yards, and then needs to suck down Oxygen. He'll also get a 5 minute guaranteed break since the extra point/commercial/kickoff/commercial takes about that long. They need the oxygen because running 40 or 50 yard is demanding for them. Oh, and after hitting a double and running 60 yards, yeah, Pablo Sandoval might have to max sprint again within the next minute or less if the next batter gets a basehit.

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Fatball is so "high octane" and extraordinarily demanding that they even play 2 games in the same day :lol

[midnightpulp]

And let's check out the athleticism of hitting.



In testing skilled, elite weightlifters Garhammer discovered that the power output in terms of the benchpress for a male during a one repetition, max load lift is four watts per kilogram of bodyweight. As it applies to the deadlift and squat, the number increases to 12 watts per kilogram of bodyweight.

Taking those numbers and applying them to different body weights, we see the power output for an 85 kg male (187 lbs.) is 340 watts for the benchpress and 1,020 watts for the the deadlift and squat (these numbers are represented in the chart at the top of the page).


Going back to Garhammer’s study, a 187 lb. male, who is an elite-level weightlifter applies 1,020 watts of energy during a squat or a deadlift. Similarly, the Top 20% of SwingTracker users at the high school varsity skill level apply an average of 1,185 watts of energy to the bat during the swing, while the average high school varsity skill level applies 830 watts of energy.

So swinging the bat is the equivalent of one max load dead lift and three times as much as a max load bench press. MLB players can apply up to some 2500 watts, so they are doubling the expenditure in that regard. And often times, a player can have a 10 or pitch AB where he fights off multiple pitches.

:lol Running around

[midnightpulp]

Fatball is so "high octane" and extraordinarily demanding that they even play 2 games in the same day :lol

"S-S-Stamina."

Guess marathon running is more demanding than TwinkTrot (Sweatin to the Oldies is also more demanding). The greatest athlete in the world:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03337/mofa_3337389b.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

Povertyball fans running into this thread to defend their "sport" like...

https://i.imgur.com/Lrr3san.gif

[DAF86]

Povertyball fans running into this thread to defend their "sport" like...

https://i.imgur.com/Lrr3san.gif

That's the GOAT troll of all-time, tbh. It's never not funny. Fucking legend. :lol