Pop: doesn't know when Kawhi will be back

[SAGirl]

The Spurs remained without the services of Leonard on Monday night, and Popovich said he's uncertain when exactly Leonard will make his 2017-18 debut while still recovering from the quad injury suffered last season.
"I don't even ask. Seriously. When [the medical staff tells] me he's ready then I'll know he's ready," said Popovich. "[Leonard] doesn't like to be bugged about it all the time. I don't want to hear about it all the time. [The media is] going to ask the question and I understand. When they tell me he's ready to go, then I'll look at him on the court and I'll decide if I agree. Then he and I can talk about it. But the first step is for them to tell me he is ready to go."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21230982/san-antonio-spurs-coach-gregg-popovich-discusses-nba-rule-changes

[TimDunkem]

Just shut him down for the season and tank for a top pick.

[dabom]

Kawhi is not badly injured you stupid fucks.

[Play Boban]

:cry

[sasaint]

Just shut him down for the season and tank for a top pick.

Very tempting idea. But I doubt that the league would comply without investigating.

[cd98]

She dumb to not give some kind of an idea of how serious it is. We all know he knows more than he will say. Not sure why people are so dumb about injuries.

[Ice009]

So what does this mean? He's not likely to be back during this home stand at all?

[SAGirl]

So what does this mean? He's not likely to be back during this home stand at all?
No timetable I guess. Previously he had said maybe... now he's noncomittal and said he doesn't ask.

[baseline bum]

Very tempting idea. But I doubt that the league would comply without investigating.

It's ok, 50 and Gasoft are our secret weapons.

[Stabula]

Doesn't Leonard have tendinosis in his quad tendon? If so that's a degenerative condition, akin to arthritis for the muscles. Hope it's not as worrisome as I fear. In Satan we trust, as always.

[TheGreatYacht]

Just shut him down for the season and tank for a top pick.
A starting lineup of Mills, Green, Anderson, Bertans, and Gasol should get the job done tbh

[spursistan]

Not surprised, didn't he take a month off with some mild wrist pain back in December 2014 when their doctors failed to categorize what was exactly wrong with it?

This sound like something will linger with him for the rest of his career and he will probably have to learn how to play through pain in the future--something he hasn't been conditioned to do under Pop rest regime..

Also, I knew I better believe my own eyes instead of the few clueless local beat writers who were trying to downplay the awful sight of Kawhi gingerly boarding the plane stair like some 85-year-old man..:lol

[SnakeBoy]

Kawhi is not badly injured you stupid fucks.

Not badly...just permanently.

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My guess: vs Chicago or @ Mavericks is the soonest he could be back...

[K...]

but i thught apo had the sauce ????

[Ice009]

Not surprised, didn't he take a month off with some mild wrist pain back in December 2014 when their doctors failed to categorize what was exactly wrong with it?

This sound like something will linger with him for the rest of his career and he will probably have to learn how to play through pain in the future--something he hasn't been conditioned to do under Pop rest regime..

Also, I knew I better believe my own eyes instead of the few clueless local beat writers who were trying to downplay the awful sight of Kawhi gingerly boarding the plane stair like some 85-year-old man..:lol

That exactly what Tim Grover and myself disagree with in regard to Pop's resting schemes. You can't learn to push yourself mentally when you are fatigued or have physical pain. The Spurs don't seem to allow players to learn to play through that. As long as it doesn't make the injury or injuries worse, you should learn to be able to play through some things and push yourself mentally.

You also don't build up any conditioning for playing big minutes in the playoffs if you're resting all the time in the regular season and also playing lower minutes. That doesn't set you up for success in the playoffs.

Does a runner train for marathons by running 5K runs?

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My guess: vs Chicago or @ Mavericks is the soonest he could be back...

Hes playing against Warriors or Hornets...Confirmed by mr source.

[Play Boban]

Hes playing against Warriors or Hornets...Confirmed by mr source.
:lol

[phxspurfan]

Man if we keep shooting poorly this is going to be a rough week

[sasaint]

It's ok, 50 and Gasoft are our secret weapons.

Maybe so. Maybe those signings were all part of the Great Tank of 2017-18 scheme.

[Keepin' it real]

The playoffs don't start until May ... no rush.

[Play Boban]

The playoffs don't start until May ... no rush.
Fake news. Playoffs start in late April.

[daslicer]

The two worst starts in the Duncan era was the '99 season when the Spurs started off 6-8 and the '04 season when they started off 9-10. I hope the Spurs can stay afloat above .500 after 20 games.

[Arcadian]

Just shut him down for the season and tank for a top pick.

Nah. He's 26. We'd be deprived of one of his peak years.

[TimDunkem]

Nah. He's 26. We'd be deprived of one of his peak years.
It was a joke, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

He is playing against warriros or Hornest.

[99 Problems]

Okay so sounds like he's playing tomoz.

[offset formation]

Hes playing against Warriors or Hornets...Confirmed by mr source.

And when it doesn't happen, you will be admitting that your source is the hole in your ass?

[Spurtacular]

Pop doesn't need to know as long as apalifag has his sources.

[r0drig0lac]

My guess: vs Chicago or @ Mavericks is the soonest he could be back...

4-8

Spurs are fucked
#TankforPorter

[smaka]

Tank for Doncic, fellas.

[TheGreatYacht]

https://us-wotp.wgcdn.co/dcont/fb/image/pudel_tank_only_338.png
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http://images.thepostgame.com/sites/default/files/michael-porter-missouri.jpg

[UZER]

That exactly what Tim Grover and myself disagree with in regard to Pop's resting schemes. You can't learn to push yourself mentally when you are fatigued or have physical pain. The Spurs don't seem to allow players to learn to play through that. As long as it doesn't make the injury or injuries worse, you should learn to be able to play through some things and push yourself mentally.

You also don't build up any conditioning for playing big minutes in the playoffs if you're resting all the time in the regular season and also playing lower minutes. That doesn't set you up for success in the playoffs.

Does a runner train for marathons by running 5K runs?

I've been saying this exact thing for a long time.

[exstatic]

Doesn't Leonard have tendinosis in his quad tendon? If so that's a degenerative condition, akin to arthritis for the muscles. Hope it's not as worrisome as I fear. In Satan we trust, as always.

Tendonopathy. Not the same thing. Tim had tendonosis.

[Fireball]

demoralizing tbh

[YGWHI]

Don't get what's the big deal here...After all the Spurs don't need him.
923367877272571904

Let him take his time, don't rush his recovery. Then, trade Kawhi before the deadline.

[boutons_deux]

his injury is a usage injury, similar to the tendinosis that ended Tim's career.

A fear is that he comes back, plays for weeks or months with no problem, then after heavy usage, the tendinosis returns, becoming chronic, as was Tim's.

[21209]

This is getting worrisome.

The veteran players look tired and the young guys are either too green or don't have the tools to maintain consistency. It also hurts that the team is paper thin when it comes to big men.

We're beginning to see how the team can't survive without Kawhi, long term. We know they can short term (a couple games here and there.)

[rastaspur]

Have no fear fans. Apo's sauce said he's playing soon.

Have faith in aposauce. Seems legit to me.

[RD2191]

his injury is a usage injury, similar to the tendinosis that ended Tim's career.

A fear is that he comes back, plays for weeks or months with no problem, then after heavy usage, the tendinosis returns, becoming chronic, as was Tim's.

Damn, that's worrisome. Any examples of other players experiencing tendinosis early in their careers like Kawhi?,

[rastaspur]

Serious quadracep tendonitis can take 6 monthe to heal. Mild cases can be 2 to 3 months. That's my understanding. A family member who played football dealt with this issue.

He described it as being stabbed with an ice pick in his lower thigh every time he moved his knee.

It is very concerning to me.

How long has he now been on the shelf doing nothing?

Oh wait, just saw tendonosis. Don't know much about tendonosis or recovery time.

[Ice009]

So tendonosis and tendonitis are completely different?

[RD2191]

Serious, should we tank? Shut down Kawhi but still try to win at least 50 to keep the streak alive? This is really a shit situation.

[Ice009]

No idea man. I just want to watch Kawhi. He's the only player on the planet right now that I want to watch. Watching the Spurs and some other teams so far this season, I realized I don't like watching most other players. His dominance on both ends of the court is incredible.

I almost can't stand watching the Spurs without him. The only players I'm actually liking right now are Brandon Paul and Rudy Gay. Aldridge is alright, but I don't really like his game that much. If he got physical and dominated on the low block instead of taking jumpers, I'd love watching that a heck of a lot more.

Anyway, I'm digressing from the question at hand, I'm just not sure if the Spurs should sit him. I don't want him to have any long term issues.

[hater]

He cant even wipe his own ass yet fellas

Id be shocked if he comes back this season

[daslicer]

Serious, should we tank? Shut down Kawhi but still try to win at least 50 to keep the streak alive? This is really a shit situation.

I can't see how this team could win 50 without him. If he's not back sometime this month then I feel this is serious.

[sasaint]

No idea man. I just want to watch Kawhi. He's the only player on the planet right now that I want to watch. Watching the Spurs are some other teams so far this season, I realized I don't like watching most other players. His dominance on both ends of the court is incredible.

I almost can't stand watching the Spurs without him. The only players I'm actually liking right now are Brandon Paul and Rudy Gay. Aldridge is alright, but I don't really like his game that much. If he got physical and dominated on the low block instead of taking jumpers, I'd love watching that a heck of a lot more.

Anyway, I'm digressing from the question at hand, I'm just not sure if the Spurs should sit him. I don't want him to have any long term issues.

Agree 100%. One thing is certain; Pop will err on the side of caution in bringing Kawhi back. Also, despite the speculation by some ST posters, Pop did not negotiate a new deal with LMA to rebuild his reputation, pad his resume and then trade him before the deadline. Not PATFO's character.

[sasaint]

He cant even wipe his own ass yet fellas

Id be shocked if he comes back this season

Haha. Not sure how you have such "inside" information, but I defer to you, sir. Not knowing anything about his injury, I would not be shocked to see Kawhi return this season. Otoh, I would not be shocked if he didn't return. I do know that PATFO will approach the decision very conservatively.

[daslicer]

No idea man. I just want to watch Kawhi. He's the only player on the planet right now that I want to watch. Watching the Spurs and some other teams so far this season, I realized I don't like watching most other players. His dominance on both ends of the court is incredible.

I almost can't stand watching the Spurs without him. The only players I'm actually liking right now are Brandon Paul and Rudy Gay. Aldridge is alright, but I don't really like his game that much. If he got physical and dominated on the low block instead of taking jumpers, I'd love watching that a heck of a lot more.

Anyway, I'm digressing from the question at hand, I'm just not sure if the Spurs should sit him. I don't want him to have any long term issues.

I definitely agree the Spurs are pretty dull to watch without Kawhi. Win or lose Kawhi adds excitement to the Spurs.

[rjv]

so, i don't need to go to medical school and specialize in orthopedics? i just need to read all about it on this thread? i don't need to see Leonard's medical records. Hearsay and speculation are good enough?

[RD2191]

so, i don't need to go to medical school and specialize in orthopedics? i just need to read all about it on this thread? i don't need to see Leonard's medical records. Hearsay and speculation are good enough?

We're all experts here.

[TheRemix]

That exactly what Tim Grover and myself disagree with in regard to Pop's resting schemes. You can't learn to push yourself mentally when you are fatigued or have physical pain. The Spurs don't seem to allow players to learn to play through that. As long as it doesn't make the injury or injuries worse, you should learn to be able to play through some things and push yourself mentally.

You also don't build up any conditioning for playing big minutes in the playoffs if you're resting all the time in the regular season and also playing lower minutes. That doesn't set you up for success in the playoffs.

Does a runner train for marathons by running 5K runs?
Yes, they do. It's not their focus but they run them. The whole resting thing to me is a focus in optimizing the player's health and longevitity. Guys like kawhi are elite athletes, conditioning isn't an issue for them

[TheDoctor]

We're all experts here.

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/source.gif

[Ice009]

Yes, they do. It's not their focus but they run them. The whole resting thing to me is a focus in optimizing the player's health and longevitity. Guys like kawhi are elite athletes, conditioning isn't an issue for them

Maybe a bad example (I'm not a runner), but let me ask again, does a runner only run 5k runs while training for a marathon with no other endurance or longer run training?

Anyway, Tim Grover (Jordan's former trainer) disagrees with you and so do I,

[SpursforSix]

Damn, that's worrisome. Any examples of other players experiencing tendinosis early in their careers like Kawhi?,

Len Bias

[313]

He cant even wipe his own ass yet fellas

Id be shocked if he comes back this season

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Tendonopathy. Not the same thing. Tim had tendonosis.

I don't think anyone read your post.

[RD2191]

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/source.gif

:lmao

[dabom]

so, i don't need to go to medical school and specialize in orthopedics? i just need to read all about it on this thread? i don't need to see Leonard's medical records. Hearsay and speculation are good enough?

Kawhi is coming back real quick. Making a thread about it.

[cd021]

CIA pop, tbh

he probably starts against GSW.

[bklynspursfan]

CIA pop, tbh

he probably starts against GSW.

I was hoping this would be the case lol but I doubt it. Hope I'm wrong

[cd98]

CIA pop, tbh

he probably starts against GSW.

Yes, because Pop loves to take changes with an injury if its GSW.

[rjv]

seriously though, doesn't any local spurs beat writer know if leonard has even been practicing? what other spurs players think? anything?

[dabom]

seriously though, doesn't any local spurs beat writer know if leonard has even been practicing? what other spurs players think? anything?

He's coming back real soon.

[spurraider21]

Hes playing against Warriors or Hornets...Confirmed by mr source.


He is playing against warriros or Hornest.
Getting nervous?

[Stabula]

Tendonopathy. Not the same thing. Tim had tendonosis.

Tendinosis is a specific type of tendinopathy. I don't know for sure if it is tendinosis but I've heard that thrown around in reports.

[SAGirl]

seriously though, doesn't any local spurs beat writer know if leonard has even been practicing? what other spurs players think? anything?
no to practices with team.
925801754859593729

[Stabula]

So tendonosis and tendonitis are completely different?

Tendinitis is merely an injury to the tendon that causes inflammation. It doesn't have to become a chronic issue but it can. Tendinosis on the other hand is a chronic degenerative condition of the muscle fibers in the tendon and much more serious.

[lefty20]

Sounds like Kawhi is about two weeks away from NBA action.... after he starts participating in full practices. So like, January then?

[spurraider21]

Hes playing against Warriors or Hornets...Confirmed by mr source.
:lmao

[spursistan]

928048553305493504
928053492610191361

Damn my nigga hater (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609) may have been calling it..Kawhi can't yet wipe his ass with his own hand at this stage:depressed....

It would be a shock to see him comeback in November since Parker, while ahead of him in the rehab processs , is few more weeks away from returning acording to Pop....


Starting to feel like a lost season for Kawhi..He is almost surely out of running for any award or All-NBA team distinction ..

[hater]

Yup mon negro

[YGWHI]

Popovich was asked if Leonard will have to go through the same procedure as Parker, who returned to the Spurs on Tuesday after spending Monday working out with the Austin Spurs.

“Sure,” Popovich said. “I wouldn’t want him to go right from rehab to jumping on the court. He has to go three on three, five on five, feel comfortable. Because in the end that confidence is what…Anybody who has been out any length of time has to get that back even if the doctors say, ‘Yep, you are ready to go.’ You really aren’t until you are mentally ready to go.”

Does this mean Kawhi could practice with Austin Spurs like Parker? Working doesn't mean playing but if he plays a game for them..Def I'd buy tickets.

[Nathan89]

Kawhi's sister's instagram fan page...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbN-q7UH2JE/?taken-by=kawhileonardofficialfanpage

[raybies]

Kawhi's sister's instagram fan page...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbN-q7UH2JE/?taken-by=kawhileonardofficialfanpage
it's not there anymore. what did it say?

[Nathan89]

it's not there anymore. what did it say?

Said kawhi should be on the court in like a week. Probably referring to practice but even that would be positive at this point. However she said the same thing a few weeks ago. Still the best source and things can always change with injury timelines. Not sure what to make of the comment removal though.

[LakerHater]

Pop wont allow it!!

https://images2.imgbox.com/74/cd/zUuQ5DcL_o.jpg

[Robz4000]

Don't be surprised if Kawhi doesn't play this year.

[Stabula]

Might very well be tendinosis if he hasn't been responding to rehab the way he was able to in the past. Unknown right now just how much this will affect him but it doesn't sound good, not good at all.

[lefty20]

Dude is at least 4 weeks away after he starts going doing full 5 on 5 scrimmages. I'd shocked to seem him back this calendar year, tbh.

[BillMc]

Dude is at least 4 weeks away after he starts going doing full 5 on 5 scrimmages. I'd shocked to seem him back this calendar year, tbh.

While some Kawhi fans that want to see him wrack up personal awards might consider it a lost season, the silver lining is if he can get healthy and has enough time with his teammates he should be relatively fresh for the playoffs if he doesn't come back until the All Star break or so.

[Ice009]

Pop wont allow it!!

https://images2.imgbox.com/74/cd/zUuQ5DcL_o.jpg

I said a couple of days ago that someone that has Instagram should ask Kawhi's sister. When was that posted?

When was this posted? I don't see it there.

[dabom]

I said a couple of days ago that someone that has Instagram should ask Kawhi's sister. When was that posted?

When was this posted? I don't see it there.

15 mins ago.

[dbreiden83080]

Christ eventually when he comes back, Pop will play him like 15 minutes a night..

[Spursmania]

It is strange how she posted about him coming back next week and then deleted it. Not sure what that means but can't be good. I had forwarded her post to s friend of mine and by the end of the game tonight I noticed it had been deleted.

[Ice009]

Well she said that Kawhi told her he'd be back in about week, but that was early October. I wonder if she deleted this one because she didn't want to be wrong, or is someone else told her to?

[bklynspursfan]

Christ eventually when he comes back, Pop will play him like 15 minutes a night..

What's wrong with easing him in? (even tho that's a strong exaggeration lol) even Gay is playing more than that.

[MultiTroll]

This combination of turmeric, black pepper and coconut oil is one of the best anti inflammatory around.
http://turmericlife.com.au/turmeric-recipes-golden-paste/

Nicknamed "Golden Paste"

[NameLess Scrub]

It's not just losing the season. WB and Durant have gone through that before and recovered.

If his injury is like people say we might even lose superstar Kawhi to injuries.

It'd be a shame. Not only the best player of the Spurs but so great to watch.

[peacemaker885]

I maintain that the injury is a ruse, and Kawhi followed orders. Soldier.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Leonard, meanwhile, has made slower progress in rehabilitating right quadriceps tendinopathy.

"(Leonard) is just coming along more slowly, for whatever reason," Popovich said. "It's just been more difficult for him to get through the rehab routine. His body hasn't reacted the same way. Tony is at the point where he has been going five-on-five and that sort of thing. ... It will be a few more weeks, but he's definitely going in the right direction, and so is Kawhi. It's just been taking a little bit longer."

Popovich said Leonard will go through the same workouts before he returns.

"Sure, I wouldn't want him to go right from rehab to jumping on the court," Popovich said. "He's got to go three-on-three, five-on-five, feel comfortable. ... You're really not until you're mentally ready to go.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Should package him for a PG and Rebounding stretch 4 tbh

[Ice009]

This combination of turmeric, black pepper and coconut oil is one of the best anti inflammatory around.
http://turmericlife.com.au/turmeric-recipes-golden-paste/

Nicknamed "Golden Paste"

Man, I was going to mention Turmeric as I've just starting drinking it myself for the past couple of months. I usually mix it with purified warm water, black pepper (or just eat 2 or 3 whole black peppercorns) and sometimes lemon (depending on whether or not I have any). It seems pretty good so far. I try to stay away from almost anything pharmaceutical. I tried it because I saw/read that it was a natural anti-inflammatory. Seems to be good for me so far. Not sure how stuff like that would work with NBA level athletes, though, as their wear and tear I would assume is a lot higher than mine.

[rjv]

pop basically stating that he has to be sure that the players have to be fully confident in their ability to go full speed in all circumstance before he gets them back out there. sounds like leonard will go 2 on 2, 3 on 3 and so on. Maybe we see him in December then.

[Ice009]

pop basically stating that he has to be sure that the players have to be fully confident in their ability to go full speed in all circumstance before he gets them back out there. sounds like leonard will go 2 on 2, 3 on 3 and so on. Maybe we see him in December then.

Possible. I just hope he's healed when he does come back and it's not a problem for his the rest of this season and also going forward beyond that.

[UZER]

Maybe the Porzingus Kawhi trade actually discussed. Not in depth, probably, but in passing.

[dbreiden83080]

Don't be surprised if Kawhi doesn't play this year.

It's only 11 games in..

[Robz4000]

It's only 11 games in..

and he's had this injury since last season, on top of chronic issues with his quad since 2012.

[dbreiden83080]

and he's had this injury since last season, on top of chronic issues with his quad since 2012.

Did he not have the best year of his career last year? I am confused. An Ankle injury caused by a dirty play ended his season. Not this..

[Robz4000]

Did he not have the best year of his career last year? I am confused. An Ankle injury caused by a dirty play ended his season. Not this..

He played through the injury that he sustained in March. Since it didn't heal over the Summer despite treatment they shut him down to try something different and that also isn't working. This was talked about in the Dubs/Spurs TNT broadcast.

[dbreiden83080]

He played through the injury that he sustained in March. Since it didn't heal over the Summer despite treatment they shut him down to try something different and that also isn't working. This was talked about in the Dubs/Spurs TNT broadcast.

So you got him taking a whole year off? You can't be serious?

[Robz4000]

So you got him taking a whole year off? You can't be serious?

When it's your franchise player who still has a lot of basketball ahead of him you do what it takes for him to fully heal, and the fact this has become a chronic problem is even more worrisome. It also helps the Spurs have no chance of winning a title this year unless one of Curry/Dominos/Donkey die.

[TimDunkem]

He won't be back in 2017. Probably in January.

[Nathan89]

It would be very surprising if kawhi doesn't play this season. Especially since his sister has mentioned him coming back twice already. It's very unlikely her information is off by an entire season.

[TD 21]

Never ceases to amaze me how many lack reading comprehension. Leonard's sister didn't mention him returning to play in a game sometime next week, she mentioned getting him back on the court. That will obviously be the first step of probably a multi week process to returning, which fits with the TNT report 6 days ago about him being 3 weeks away.

People did this with Mills' comments about not feeling pressure. Somehow, this was taken to mean he didn't care.

[tonight...you]

Man, I was going to mention Turmeric as I've just starting drinking it myself for the past couple of months. I usually mix it with purified warm water, black pepper (or just eat 2 or 3 whole black peppercorns) and sometimes lemon (depending on whether or not I have any). It seems pretty good so far. I try to stay away from almost anything pharmaceutical. I tried it because I saw/read that it was a natural anti-inflammatory. Seems to be good for me so far. Not sure how stuff like that would work with NBA level athletes, though, as their wear and tear I would assume is a lot higher than mine.
I would love to be updated as to how it works out for you as time goes by.

[Trill Clinton]

they were saying the 13th today on the radio. apparently kawhi's sister runs his fan page on instagram and made a post alluding to him returning very soon but it was deleted.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

I just saw an Instagram post saying that Kawhi is being shut down for the rest of this calendar year. Not sure if it's legit or not. But I wouldn't be surprised if that's the direction the team goes. The account name is top.ball.coverage

[Joseph Kony]

take it fwiw which is probably nothing

https://247sports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/Bolt/kawhi-leonard-sister-spurs-all-star-will-return-next-week-110132828

[tonight...you]

take it fwiw which is probably nothing

https://247sports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/Bolt/kawhi-leonard-sister-spurs-all-star-will-return-next-week-110132828
I will... take it for what it's worth.

[AztecSpur]

I will... take it for what it's worth.
A couple weeks ago she got me all excited saying he'd be back Fri. Dec 10th. I don't think Kawhi really knows. Sounds like it's a day to day thing.

[UZER]

take it fwiw which is probably nothing

https://247sports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/Bolt/kawhi-leonard-sister-spurs-all-star-will-return-next-week-110132828

Pop gonna snuff that out because...well, he's Pop. He wont be back for at least 3 weeks now.

[Keepin' it real]

In retrospect, ZaZa's goonish play against Kawhi might have been a blessing in disguise. Imagine Kawhi playing another 10-12 games on that quad on the way to his second Finals MVP??? Might have been a career-ender...