Mass shooting Sutherland Springs church

[Trill Clinton]

The first thing you see when a mass shooting happens are snowflakes and cornflakes crying about politics. They are more worried about their political views being attacked more than people getting attacked. Don't belive me? Look no further than the top comments on CNN and FOX. Condolences take a back seat to their political views on the issue first.

Because it's time for action. Condolences don't solve shit.

[DarrinS]

Because it's time for action. Condolences don't solve shit.

Time to start a hashtag campaign.

[da_suns_fan]

There is literally nothing that can happen in this country anymore.

If the other side caved even an inch they would be destroyed on cable news as "weak" or "a traitor".

[boutons_deux]

TX asshole grifter Pastor Jeffres bragging on Fox, of course, that his heavily armed church of Macho Man gun fellators would have stopped a bad guy

[unleashbaynes]

It was certainly the solution to stopping this crazy motherfucker. Get used to the concept that guns are here to stay and bad guys can do bad things with them. Just like rented home depot trucks.

What a stupid fucking mentality.

[sickdsm]

Conflicting reports. Self inflicted gunshot wound andyet also the civilian with the rifle shot him in the neck and died after tyre crash because of the wound.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwYd2kIZxk4

[CosmicCowboy]

What a stupid fucking mentality.

It's called accepting reality. There will always be soft targets and fucked up assholes to hit them. It would do more to stop mass attacks if the media quit publishing the names and detailed bios of the nut jobs ad nauseum. These losers want to go out in a blaze of glory and thats exactly what we are giving them.

[boutons_deux]

Trash blames mental illness, like the NRA/BigGun does, not high-capacity magazines on (semi)automatic weapons, while cutting funds for mental health care.

The wife-beating shooter, compatible with Repug misogyny, may have been targeting his ex-in-laws, but they weren't there.

[hater]

Ban all caucassians from entering the country till we find out what the fuck is going on

[monosylab1k]

Time to start a hashtag campaign.

Just as effective as thoughts & prayers.

[spurraider21]

Just as effective as thoughts & prayers.
actually much more effective. somebody actually receives the message with a hashtag campaign

[unleashbaynes]

actually much more effective. somebody actually receives the message with a hashtag campaign

Hooooollllly shiiiiiiiit

[Chucho]

on this board, yes

Basically consists of posters trying to one up one another by distorting the issues and their arguments.

But really, this is incredibly sad and at the same time leads to a lot of anger and blaming. These kind of things have become very hard to prevent. We as a society freely accept increases in the death rate via vehicle by increasing speed limits. It's the price we pay for transportation. We call them accidents. People are not ready to accept the freedom weapons provide some. People are not ready to accept these "accidents" as a price for some sort of freedom.

And yes people can readily kill others by using a vehicle as a weapon. But equating this with a device used to projejct small pieces of metal at very high speeds is really very silly. I'd personally rather people just equate a gun to a seat belt that has the added advantage of killing the other person who has no intention of driving safely. It's just as silly.

Life is not truly precious in this country. You might concentrate on abortions. Others concentrate on some "fictional form" of self defense used offensively. We are violent. We would rather kill someone taking our personal possessions than let it go and possibly retrieve stuff later. We would rather kill another person that to lose some sort of personal honor.


+5

Nailed it on the head in all aspects. Very solid, very honest post.

[hitmanyr2k]

I couldn't help but find it ironic that Trump had to address yet another gun massacre right in front of Japan's leaders...a country with the lowest gun violence rate in the world thanks to their gun control laws. They must look at us like a bunch of knuckle-dragging neanderthals :lol

[boutons_deux]

Fuck this perverted asshole so-called Lutheran pastor, fuck his Christianity, fuck his God

Conservative writer: God was ‘answering prayers’ of Texas victims by letting them get shot


https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Hans-Fiene-800x430.png

“It may seem, on the surface, that God was refusing to give such protection to his Texan children,” he writes.

“But we are also praying that God would deliver us from evil eternally.

Through these same words, we are asking God to deliver us out of this evil world and into his heavenly glory, where no violence, persecution, cruelty, or hatred will ever afflict us again.”

Fiene then says that, in order to fully defeat evil eternally,

God has to let evil get some temporary victories, such as this weekend’s mass shooting.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/conservative-writer-god-was-answering-prayers-of-texas-victims-by-letting-them-get-shot/

how many millions of you Bible-humpers will nod your perverted heads "yes, yes, this is how God works, because he loves us"

[DMC]

I couldn't help but find it ironic that Trump had to address yet another gun massacre right in front of Japan's leaders...a country with the lowest gun violence rate in the world thanks to their gun control laws. They must look at us like a bunch of knuckle-dragging neanderthals :lol

Yeah, Japan looks great, being occupied by the US for how many years? Pretty sure there are drawbacks to living in Japan that "no guns" doesn't negate.

[DMC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwYd2kIZxk4

When you cannot take the toothpick out of your mouth during a live interview on TV, you might be a redneck.

[Chucho]

I couldn't help but find it ironic that Trump had to address yet another gun massacre right in front of Japan's leaders...a country with the lowest gun violence rate in the world thanks to their gun control laws. They must look at us like a bunch of knuckle-dragging neanderthals :lol


Do you think they consider us knuckle dragging neanderthals with our open borders when they basically let no one in, flat out refuse Muslim refugees and have zero "Terrorist attacks"?

[hitmanyr2k]

Yeah, Japan looks great, being occupied by the US for how many years? Pretty sure there are drawbacks to living in Japan that "no guns" doesn't negate.

I never had such drawbacks in my 8 years of living there. Learned to speak, read and write the language and got along great with everyone off base. One of the best countries in the world.

[RandomGuy]

on this board, yes

Basically consists of posters trying to one up one another by distorting the issues and their arguments.

But really, this is incredibly sad and at the same time leads to a lot of anger and blaming. These kind of things have become very hard to prevent. We as a society freely accept increases in the death rate via vehicle by increasing speed limits. It's the price we pay for transportation. We call them accidents. People are not ready to accept the freedom weapons provide some. People are not ready to accept these "accidents" as a price for some sort of freedom.

And yes people can readily kill others by using a vehicle as a weapon. But equating this with a device used to projejct small pieces of metal at very high speeds is really very silly. I'd personally rather people just equate a gun to a seat belt that has the added advantage of killing the other person who has no intention of driving safely. It's just as silly.

Life is not truly precious in this country. You might concentrate on abortions. Others concentrate on some "fictional form" of self defense used offensively. We are violent. We would rather kill someone taking our personal possessions than let it go and possibly retrieve stuff later. We would rather kill another person that to lose some sort of personal honor.

Not too hard to stop these. Watched this just last week actually, before the massacre here in Texas.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/6/16612808/samantha-bee-mass-shootings-boyfriend-loophole

Study of gun violence shows that women in abusive relationships are the first target in 54% of all mass shootings.

Keep abusers from guns, and you can very effectively stop these things. Many states are starting to pass laws to do just that.

Get convicted of abuse, get your guns taken away, and prohibited from buying any. Pretty elegant, IMO.

[RandomGuy]

Do you think they consider us knuckle dragging neanderthals with our open borders when they basically let no one in, flat out refuse Muslim refugees and have zero "Terrorist attacks"?

Xenophobic, self-defeating economic policies of Japan, are hardly something to emulate.

[Chucho]

Xenophobic, self-defeating economic policies of Japan, are hardly something to emulate.


Oh, I know. I was asking a biased partisan a devil's advocate question.

[pgardn]

Not too hard to stop these. Watched this just last week actually, before the massacre here in Texas.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/6/16612808/samantha-bee-mass-shootings-boyfriend-loophole

Study of gun violence shows that women in abusive relationships are the first target in 54% of all mass shootings.

Keep abusers from guns, and you can very effectively stop these things. Many states are starting to pass laws to do just that.

Get convicted of abuse, get your guns taken away, and prohibited from buying any. Pretty elegant, IMO.

Yes.

Well our most recent shooter was apparently denied the right to purchase a gun.
I don't know the reason.

[boutons_deux]

These FOX News Christians Agree: If They’re Going to be Killed in a Mass Shooting, They’d Like to be Shot in Church

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2017/11/06/these-fox-news-christians-agree-if-theyre-going-to-be-killed-in-a-mass-shooting-theyd-like-to-be-shot-in-church/

[pgardn]

These FOX News Christians Agree: If They’re Going to be Killed in a Mass Shooting, They’d Like to be Shot in Church

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2017/11/06/these-fox-news-christians-agree-if-theyre-going-to-be-killed-in-a-mass-shooting-theyd-like-to-be-shot-in-church/


Ok...

If you had to be killed in a mass shooting it would be at a gigantic orgy?

[DMC]

Do you think they consider us knuckle dragging neanderthals with our open borders when they basically let no one in, flat out refuse Muslim refugees and have zero "Terrorist attacks"?

Of course, a locked room needs less security.

[DMC]

I never had such drawbacks in my 8 years of living there. Learned to speak, read and write the language and got along great with everyone off base. One of the best countries in the world.


Xenophobic, self-defeating economic policies of Japan, are hardly something to emulate.

You two need to get together.

[boutons_deux]

Ok...

If you had to be killed in a mass shooting it would be at a gigantic orgy?

gigantic orgy? what's God's problem with gigantic orgies? what's your problem with gigantic orgies? Are you authorized to judge for God? Do you know his mind?

[pgardn]

gigantic orgy? what's God's problem with gigantic orgies? what's your problem with gigantic orgies? Are you authorized to judge for God? Do you know his mind?

Where Did I say anything was wrong with a giant orgy ya dumbass. Where did I say anything about the mind of God ya damn "jump the gunner" ?

So this would be the situation if you had to name one?
Maybe Disneyland eating after a great ride?

[Blake]

Fuck this perverted asshole so-called Lutheran pastor, fuck his Christianity, fuck his God

Conservative writer: God was ‘answering prayers’ of Texas victims by letting them get shot


https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Hans-Fiene-800x430.png

“It may seem, on the surface, that God was refusing to give such protection to his Texan children,” he writes.

“But we are also praying that God would deliver us from evil eternally.

Through these same words, we are asking God to deliver us out of this evil world and into his heavenly glory, where no violence, persecution, cruelty, or hatred will ever afflict us again.”

Fiene then says that, in order to fully defeat evil eternally,

God has to let evil get some temporary victories, such as this weekend’s mass shooting.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/conservative-writer-god-was-answering-prayers-of-texas-victims-by-letting-them-get-shot/

how many millions of you Bible-humpers will nod your perverted heads "yes, yes, this is how God works, because he loves us"




Wow. If dude wants God to deliver him out of this evil world, what's he waiting for?

[pgardn]

Wow. If dude wants God to deliver him out of this evil world, what's he waiting for?


Im thinking he thinks he has got to be around for a while to make all God's plans clear to us when these horrible events occur.

[RandomGuy]

Texas officials cite domestic situation in church shooting: 'There were threatening texts' (yahoo news)

[boutons_deux]

Why Did Media Overlook September Shooting in Plano, Texas, When Estranged Husband Killed Wife and Seven Others?

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42508-why-did-media-overlook-september-shooting-in-plano-texas-when-estranged-husband-killed-wife-and-seven-others

[boutons_deux]

Watch: Samantha Bee on why “abused women are the canary in the coal mine for mass shootings”

Bee explains how “the boyfriend loophole” keeps domestic abusers armed and dangerous.

“Mass shootings are scary and impossible to predict,” Bee said, “except for

this one big thing that’s a really big predictor.”

A month after a shooting in Las Vegas (https://www.vox.com/2017/10/2/16399350/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock) left more than 50 people dead and less than a week before a shooter in Sutherland Springs, Texas (https://www.vox.com/2017/11/5/16610084/san-antonio-texas-church-shooting), killed at least 26 people, Bee devoted a segment of her show to


the 20-year-old “boyfriend loophole,” which allows those charged with domestic abuse to still buy a gun as long as they weren’t married to the person they abused.

The Sutherland Springs shooter was court-martialed (http://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-church-shooter-identified-white-male-mid-20s/story?id=50949455) during his time in the Air Force for assaulting his wife and child before he committed his final, fatal crime.

“Mass shooters come in all male shapes and all male sizes,” Bee said, “but most of them rehearse for it the same way.”

Even as Bee derided the concept of a “boyfriend loophole” in general, she also made sure to point out that the “restrictions” on the domestic abusers who don’t qualify for the loophole aren’t exactly airtight, either.

Even if they’re barred from buying new guns, charged domestic abusers can still keep the guns they already had.

Bee also pointed to a local report in Montgomery County, Alabama, that found

judges didn’t inform those charged with domestic abuse that they could no longer buy guns a full 99 percent of the time.
“Ninety-nine percent?!” Bee gasped. “How can anything have a 99 percent failure rate?

Even burlap condoms only have a 98 percent failure rate!”

Bee showed a montage of news reports on 2015’s San Bernardino shooting (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-classroom-killings-20170411-story.html), 2016’s Orlando shooting (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-orlando-as-usual-domestic-violence-was-ignored-red-flag-20160613), and this June’s GOP baseball game shooting (http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-congressional-baseball-shooting-identified/story?id=48032649), which

all identified the perpetrators as men who had been previously accused of or even charged with domestic violence.
“Even if you don’t give a shit about domestic violence,” Bee concluded, “abused women are the canary in the coal mine for mass shootings.”

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/6/16612808/samantha-bee-mass-shootings-boyfriend-loophole (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/6/16612808/samantha-bee-mass-shootings-boyfriend-loophole)

[boutons_deux]

In Wake Of Church Shooting, Theodore Shoebat Says Atheists Must Be Put To Death

Extremist right-wing activist Theodore Shoebat

responded to yesterday’s mass shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/timeline-texas-church-shooting/index.html) at a church in Texas by posting a video (http://shoebat.com/2017/11/05/make-no-mistake-about-it-the-man-who-slaughtered-26-christians-in-a-baptist-church-in-texas-was-an-atheist-who-hated-christ-and-the-christian-faith/) on his website in which he said that

atheists in America must be subjected to an inquisition and put to death.


Shoebat,

who was featured in a radically (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/michigan-gop-lawmaker-wants-school-officials-held-criminally-liable-for-teaching-students-about-homosexuality/) anti-gay (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/anti-gay-documentary-gays-grooming-kids-in-public-schools/) documentary (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/gays-lighting-america-on-fire-mike-huckabee-warns-freedom-is-under-attack-in-fringe-anti-gay-movie/) in 2015

along with various Religious Right activists (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/gop-presidential-hopefuls-and-members-of-congress-appear-in-new-anti-gay-documentary/) and

Republican elected officials (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/sen-rand-paul-and-gop-congressmen-appear-in-new-trailer-for-anti-gay-documentary/),

declared that the fact that the man responsible for the deadly attack

was reportedly (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/6/devin-patrick-kelley-anti-christian-atheist-outcas/) an atheist shows that atheism represents a dire threat to Christians in America and must be dealt with harshly.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/in-wake-of-church-shooting-theodore-shoebat-says-atheists-must-be-put-to-death/

Shoebat as fellow traveller with evangelical Christian Taliban and Repugs is saying, like Muslim Sharia that Avante adores so much, atheists must be killed (for being non Christians)

[DeadlyDynasty]

I can't wait till boutons is caught in the crossfire of one of these shootings.

[RandomGuy]

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http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/

Top priority for Russian government twitter accounts:

Hillary
"Democratic pundits lying..."

...

and "Sutherland shooter was antifa".

[tlongII]

Not too hard to stop these. Watched this just last week actually, before the massacre here in Texas.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/6/16612808/samantha-bee-mass-shootings-boyfriend-loophole

Study of gun violence shows that women in abusive relationships are the first target in 54% of all mass shootings.

Keep abusers from guns, and you can very effectively stop these things. Many states are starting to pass laws to do just that.

Get convicted of abuse, get your guns taken away, and prohibited from buying any. Pretty elegant, IMO.

I would support that.

[boutons_deux]

More guns means more gun violence

Gun deaths on the rise in Trash's America (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/3/1712380/-Gun-deaths-on-the-rise-in-Trump-s-America)

NEW YORK (AP) — The U.S. rate for gun deaths has increased for the second straight year, following 15 years of no real change, a government report shows.

Roughly two-thirds of gun deaths are suicides and those have been increasing for about 10 years.

Until recently, that has been offset by a decline in people shot dead by others.

But there’s been a recent upswing in those gun-related homicides, too, some experts said.

Overall, the firearm death rate rose to 12 deaths per 100,000 people last year, up from 11 in 2015,

according to the report (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs) released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Before that, the rate had hovered just above 10—a level it had fallen to in the late 1990s.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1712380

[boutons_deux]

Texas governor: Church shooting may seem 'heavy right now,' but relax. Hitler was worse. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/6/1713216/-Texas-governor-Church-shooting-may-seem-heavy-right-now-but-relax-Hitler-was-worse)

"We have acts of evil taking place, and because they are close in time to us right now, we think this is something heavy right now.

But put this in the context of history. Look at what happened with Hitler, the horrific events during that era, and Mussolini. "

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1713216

Abbott was wearing some kind of official looking, badge-y, patch-y dark shirt yesterday, looking all Macho Man law enforcement asshole.

[Pavlov]

Also a spree shooter on I-35 in Austin Saturday.

Neat.

[spurraider21]

Also a spree shooter on I-35 in Austin Saturday.

Neat.
Probably had a rough childhood

[Pavlov]

Probably had a rough childhoodHe's brown, so definitely Antifa.

[boutons_deux]

COMMENTARY (https://www.theonion.com/c/commentary)

It’s An Honor To Continue Being Valued Over Countless Human Lives (https://www.theonion.com/it-s-an-honor-to-continue-being-valued-over-countless-h-1819585030)

An AR-15





https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kPtHfDss--/pvnfo1gaac0uwpepdrem.jpg

Look, I’m not the type who needs constant validation, and I have never sought preferential treatment from anyone. I just try to focus on doing what I do and not get too caught up in what people think or say about me. But I have to admit, it’s been hard to ignore all the support and appreciation I’ve been receiving lately, particularly over the past several years.

That’s why I want to take this opportunity to let all of you know what an absolute honor it is that you continue to value me over countless human lives.
I don’t want to get too sentimental or anything, but it really means the world to me how often you as Americans, through your words and your actions, make it known that I am more important to you than the lives of your fellow citizens.


You see, I’m just a humble lightweight, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection.


Truly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.

You see, I’m just a humble lightweight, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection.

But time and time again, you’ve shown me how much I matter to you.

To see so many people—people who could be working to protect and care for human lives—actively devoting their time and energy to making sure I’m the one who’s protected and cared for instead—it’s beyond touching.


Don’t think I haven’t noticed all this. Rarely a month goes by without all of you pausing to weigh me against a certain number of lives—often a dozen or more—and quickly deciding I’m more worthwhile. Gosh, you must really, really love me.

I mean, wow, who do I thank first? I guess I’ve got to start with lawmakers.

No one so consistently speaks up on my behalf, praises what I stand for, and does everything in their power to make sure no harm ever comes to me.

These are individuals who have hundreds of thousands of constituents whose lives they could so easily put ahead of my interests, yet these principled elected officials steadfastly refuse to do so.

Instead, they stick to their guiding beliefs and firmly declare that

I—a simple modular rifle with high-capacity-magazine compatability—have more value than any number of human beings.

It’s truly humbling.

What a blessing it is to reside in a society with such clear and unwavering priorities.

https://www.theonion.com/it-s-an-honor-to-continue-being-valued-over-countless-h-1819585030

[boutons_deux]

The research is clear: more guns, more gun deaths

While other developed countries impose very tough laws (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/4/9850572/gun-control-us-japan-switzerland-uk-canada) on guns, the US has some of the laxest laws in the world. As a result, it also has way more guns and, yes, gun deaths.

Consider:

America has nearly six times the gun homicide rate of Canada,

more than seven times that of Sweden, and

nearly 16 times that of Germany,

according to United Nations data (http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list) compiled by the Guardian.

(These gun deaths are a big reason America has a much higher overall homicide rate (http://www.vox.com/2015/4/7/8364263/us-europe-mass-incarceration), which includes non-gun deaths, than other developed nations.)

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/d4OUuR6IxD3NOMW3XQH8YPIKZ88=/1200x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4119056/gun%20homicides%20developed%20countries.jpgJavier Zarracina/Vox


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/6/16615218/ted-cruz-gun-control-sutherland-springs-texas-shooting

You gun fellators, lied to and duped by BigGun, are serious contributing factor as to why America is fucked and unfuckable.

[unleashbaynes]

It's called accepting reality. There will always be soft targets and fucked up assholes to hit them. It would do more to stop mass attacks if the media quit publishing the names and detailed bios of the nut jobs ad nauseum. These losers want to go out in a blaze of glory and thats exactly what we are giving them.

Shut the fuck up. I bet if that was your family getting blasted inside of what they thought was a violence-free holy facility, that tune would change real fucking quick.

[unleashbaynes]

:cry it's inevitable.......this gonna happen no matter what......we should do nothing at all to change it :cry


I shoulda known.....if nothing was done after Sandy Hook, where children were murdered, nothing will ever change. Fuck you hillbilly piles of shit.

[boutons_deux]

Texas killer was able to buy guns because of Air Force lapse

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/air-force-failed-to-submit-texas-shooters-criminal-history/ar-AAuwkQ7

the guy also cracked the skull of his girlfriend's son.

[DMX7]

I can't wait till boutons is caught in the crossfire of one of these shootings.

That's fucked up dude.

[DarrinS]

We can all agree that f*cked up people shouldn’t be allowed to own guns.

[ElNono]

We can all agree that f*cked up people shouldn’t be allowed to own guns.

The problem is people disagree with what 'fucked up' is supposed to be...

[DMC]

The problem is people disagree with what 'fucked up' is supposed to be...

People might, but professionals have a better grasp on it. That's why it's not left to the layman to decide if someone is psychopathic or has some mental disorder. It's up to professionals. Often times these individuals have gone under the light of examination by professionals, then the system around the professionals just files it away as the pathways to total forgiveness and forgetness multiply.

You look at these crazy fuckers who do this shit, most of the time no one is surprised they did it, only at the shocking nature of the act itself. But we cannot profile people, that would be wrong. Instead, we should ban guns from everyone so we can ensure no one gets offended.

[AaronY]

Anyone who is sane knows we're not getting rid of all the guns in this country since there's like 400 billion but shit like the one in Vegas that was firing 9 rounds a second needs to go obviously. Also the background checks are supported by like 90% of Republicans but NRA continues to lobby against improving them or expanding them. I guess the view would be that people don't trust govt for legit reasons and would assume they would look for excuses not to give people guns or something

[spurraider21]

That's fucked up dude.
religion of peace tbh

[DMC]

Anyone who is sane knows we're not getting rid of all the guns in this country since there's like 400 billion but shit like the one in Vegas that was firing 9 rounds a second needs to go obviously. Also the background checks are supported by like 90% of Republicans but NRA continues to lobby against improving them or expanding them. I guess the view would be that people don't trust govt for legit reasons and would assume they would look for excuses not to give people guns or something

Of course. Look at MSM. All you see is how corrupt both sides are, constantly. Someone is on trial all the time, someone under investigation, someone is corrupt. Common folks think that everyone in the government is corrupt. They think everyone in the media is being paid by billionaires who run the government from behind the scenes. Why would they ever trust these people? For some reason, the founding fathers escaped that narrative.

[ElNono]

People might, but professionals have a better grasp on it. That's why it's not left to the layman to decide if someone is psychopathic or has some mental disorder. It's up to professionals. Often times these individuals have gone under the light of examination by professionals, then the system around the professionals just files it away as the pathways to total forgiveness and forgetness multiply.

You look at these crazy fuckers who do this shit, most of the time no one is surprised they did it, only at the shocking nature of the act itself. But we cannot profile people, that would be wrong. Instead, we should ban guns from everyone so we can ensure no one gets offended.

I'm 100% in agreement... that said, I'm also aware that the minute a mental professional tells bubba he can't own guns, you have a major lobby behind bubba to push back.

It's unfortunate that things like consensus are seemingly a bad word nowadays, tbh

[AaronY]

It's unfortunate that things like consensus are seemingly a bad word nowadays, tbh
You're seen as a pussy and traitor if you agree with the other side. In that long Politico piece on Boehner Obama appeared to actually like him somewhat but they had to sneak Boehner into the back door when they wanted to talk because they couldn't be seen getting along or else it would piss off their bases.

[DMC]

I'm 100% in agreement... that said, I'm also aware that the minute a mental professional tells bubba he can't own guns, you have a major lobby behind bubba to push back.

It's unfortunate that things like consensus are seemingly a bad word nowadays, tbh

Every week I have to take out the trash. The can is full by the next week though. It's a maintenance process, not a fix. Trash will exist, it needs to get identified and segregated.

Oddly enough that Texas is an open carry state, but I've never seen anyone open carry other than an LEO. I only do it on a ranch while hunting or building blinds, filling feeders and such. No one wants to be that "hero" CNN interviewed. No one wants their life to change that much.

Large gatherings of unarmed people will always be easy targets for people who've decided they want to die. We haven't curbed the suicide rate, there's just a different idea about what to do before you go now. Still waiting for someone to walk into a police station and kill 30 people with a rifle. I don't think it would happen. That said, this fucking nut job was after specific people, but probably knew he was going to die in the process so he didn't stop shooting.

Many here think that could never happen to them, as if there's some sign that the event your attending is about to become a bloodbath.

[ElNono]

Every week I have to take out the trash. The can is full by the next week though. It's a maintenance process, not a fix. Trash will exist, it needs to get identified and segregated.

Oddly enough that Texas is an open carry state, but I've never seen anyone open carry other than an LEO. I only do it on a ranch while hunting or building blinds, filling feeders and such. No one wants to be that "hero" CNN interviewed. No one wants their life to change that much.

Large gatherings of unarmed people will always be easy targets for people who've decided they want to die. We haven't curbed the suicide rate, there's just a different idea about what to do before you go now. Still waiting for someone to walk into a police station and kill 30 people with a rifle. I don't think it would happen. That said, this fucking nut job was after specific people, but probably knew he was going to die in the process so he didn't stop shooting.

Many here think that could never happen to them, as if there's some sign that the event your attending is about to become a bloodbath.

Yeah, it's not about eradicating the problem, but curbing it.

Then again, this is a topic where you get into moral debates, relativism about violence, etc, etc, etc...

A lot of stupid people don't understand the social compact we live in, and will excuse a cannibal drugged up kid that killed his parents and ate them because... "poor kid, he was beat up as a child" :cry

There is a line somewhere that sane people recognize, but seemingly a lot of people do not.

[DarrinS]

The problem is people disagree with what 'fucked up' is supposed to be...

True

[pgardn]

The problem is also technology and information has allowed one Fd up individual to kill a whole bunch of people in a few minutes. It's not just a leader who can take the title of mass murderer.

[ElNono]

The problem is also technology and information has allowed one Fd up individual to kill a whole bunch of people in a few minutes. It's not just a leader who can take the title of mass murderer.

You're not putting that worm back into the can though...

[Blake]

People might, but professionals have a better grasp on it. That's why it's not left to the layman to decide if someone is psychopathic or has some mental disorder. It's up to professionals. Often times these individuals have gone under the light of examination by professionals, then the system around the professionals just files it away as the pathways to total forgiveness and forgetness multiply.

You look at these crazy fuckers who do this shit, most of the time no one is surprised they did it, only at the shocking nature of the act itself. But we cannot profile people, that would be wrong. Instead, we should ban guns from everyone so we can ensure no one gets offended.

No one is saying "ban all guns", but banning military assault style rifles really should not offend any non-crazy fuckers

[DMC]

Yeah, it's not about eradicating the problem, but curbing it.

Then again, this is a topic where you get into moral debates, relativism about violence, etc, etc, etc...

A lot of stupid people don't understand the social compact we live in, and will excuse a cannibal drugged up kid that killed his parents and ate them because... "poor kid, he was beat up as a child" :cry

There is a line somewhere that sane people recognize, but seemingly a lot of people do not.
To clinically erase the issue, just create a Utopian society. I realize that's expensive and difficult, but just start up a multi-billion dollar company and buy an island, start a grass roots movement out there and allow it to leak into the rest of the world.

Seriously though, we all know someone who's nearly crazy. We've all dated chicks with ex-BFs who the chick swears would kill people if he had the chance. We all know someone who's ex wife fucked them over so hard that you're shocked they haven't done it already. Eventually those people snap. At least a small percentage do. Hell, you only need one or two per state tbh.

[DMC]

No one is saying "ban all guns", but banning military assault style rifles really should not offend any non-crazy fuckers

Banning evil features like looks of a gun isn't the answer. Sure nutjobs are attracted to cooler looking "military style" guns. They are also attracted to tactical gear.

You know damn well that a semi-auto is a semi-auto. The bump stock shit from Vegas, that shit needs to be looked at pretty hard. Things should be examined in the spirit of the law and rights.

Since Columbine, I don't recall reading or seeing any new "crazy fucker" laws. Not one.

[DMC]

The problem is also technology and information has allowed one Fd up individual to kill a whole bunch of people in a few minutes. It's not just a leader who can take the title of mass murderer.

That's always been the case though. Tim McVeigh killed a lot of people with a truck and some fertilizer. Park something like that in front of a church and you kill everyone inside.

If there's a gun problem, it's that uneducated dipshits feel empowered by owning them, showing them off, bragging about them. 99.99999999999% of these assholes are benign. That one fucker isn't bluffing though.

I've never cared about military style carbines. I've owned fully automatic weapons and still do, but it's an investment and fun to shoot. You'll likely never see a 20K dollar rifle used in a mass shooting. These are collectors items. They have NFA laws attached to them already.

A lot of this shit is copycat. Media makes these assholes out to be superstars by reporting on everything in their existence. These are nobody types that otherwise would die alone in a motel room, a week before anyone checked up on them. They decide instead to go out with a bang because hey, look at the fucker from Vegas. He's famous now. Same for all the mass shooters, they are famous. They have TV shows about them.

[spurraider21]

yeah its all CNN's fault

[Spurtacular]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/mother-killed-shielding-her-four-children-in-texas-church-shooting/ar-AAuwrOx?ocid=spartandhp

https://www.gofundme.com/hill-family-church-shooting

[Blake]

Banning evil features like looks of a gun isn't the answer. Sure nutjobs are attracted to cooler looking "military style" guns. They are also attracted to tactical gear.

You know damn well that a semi-auto is a semi-auto. The bump stock shit from Vegas, that shit needs to be looked at pretty hard. Things should be examined in the spirit of the law and rights.

Since Columbine, I don't recall reading or seeing any new "crazy fucker" laws. Not one.


The bump stock should be a no brainer.

Crazy fucker laws would start by simply taking a few extra steps to get a gun

[Spurtacular]

The bump stock should be a no brainer.

Crazy fucker laws would start by simply taking a few extra steps to get a gun

So, we should make it harder for people to exercise their Constitutional right to defend themselves; brilliant!

[Pavlov]

So, we should make it harder for people to exercise their Constitutional right to defend themselves; brilliant!Would you buy a bump fire stock for the purpose of defending yourself?

[Blake]

So, we should make it harder for people to exercise their Constitutional right to defend themselves; brilliant!

If you would have responded any other way than ":cry but muh 2nd amendment :cry" I'd have been stunned

[ElNono]

To clinically erase the issue, just create a Utopian society. I realize that's expensive and difficult, but just start up a multi-billion dollar company and buy an island, start a grass roots movement out there and allow it to leak into the rest of the world.

Seriously though, we all know someone who's nearly crazy. We've all dated chicks with ex-BFs who the chick swears would kill people if he had the chance. We all know someone who's ex wife fucked them over so hard that you're shocked they haven't done it already. Eventually those people snap. At least a small percentage do. Hell, you only need one or two per state tbh.

Here's where psychopaths and sociopaths diverge though. A psychotic person feels no empathy or emotional pressure, whereas a sociopath does. The sociopath is the kind of person you describe, that 'snaps' due to environmental pressure/stress. While neither should have access to a weapon, the sociopath isn't really born one, but it's built as part of the societal environment. Which means anybody can turn into one at any given time (there's a buildup process though). So any attempts at dealing with this from a mental health angle has to include periodical checks for mental health. Especially for people that have large collections or are stockpiling (legal weapons anyways). Yes, it might be a hassle for collectors/enthusiasts, but we do a lot of the same with driver's licenses, etc (and before somebody points out the obvious, that driving is not a right, it doesn't matter: most states regulate rights like the 2nd amendment through licensing, gun free zones, etc, so it's perfectly legal. We have regulations and exceptions even for the 1st, 4th amendment, etc).

On the pure social side, we just can't tolerate these shootings to become the new normal. Yes, this happened a lot in the Far West, or during the Mafia days, when twitter wasn't around and nobody really found out, but we evolved in our social compact to root that out, have a better protected society with a justice system to sort out disagreements through non-violence.

Arguments about black markets, etc, are lazy, IMO. Nobody I know is arguing for a full ban on guns, so comparisons with the war on drugs is just ridiculous. It'd be more like talking about driver's licenses black market, which exists, but most citizens that can obtain one legally, go the legal route. And any black market should be fought vigorously, just as vigorously as defending your right to own a gun for self-defense.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Says Tougher Gun Laws Could’ve Worsened Texas Death Toll

President Trump said on Tuesday that

stricter gun laws would not have prevented the shooting in a Texas church that killed 26 people (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/us/church-shooting-texas.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=RelatedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article) and that

they could have driven the death toll into the hundreds, :lol

since the gunman was shot by an armed bystander.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2

So, we should be thrilled that America's clinical gun insanity for profit massacred only 26 non-carriers in church.

[Spurtacular]

Would you buy a bump fire stock for the purpose of defending yourself?

Why wouldn't I?

BTW, one of your liberal retard friends mocked the idea of defending against a tyrant govt. with "rifles" the other day. You idiots don't even know when you're arguing against each other. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

If you would have responded any other way than ":cry but muh 2nd amendment :cry" I'd have been stunned


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs

[boutons_deux]

TX is a fucking disaster of state that elects assholes like Abbott and other Repugs

Texas Governor Abbott on How to Stop Mass Killings: 'You Do That by Working With God'

(And Supporting the NRA Right Down the Line)

You can't have it both ways. Eight times Gov. Abbott helped push the NRA agenda.

https://www.alternet.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/screen_shot_2017-11-06_at_6.45.20_pm.png?itok=QpEvZYNf

1. He cynically exploited children murdered at Sandy Hook to further his pro-gun agenda.

2. Joked about shooting reporters.

3. Suggested America needs more Bibles and guns.

4. Was 'embarrassed' Texas was second in gun sales.

5. Expanded open-carry, made it easier for mass shootings to take place on college campuses.

6. Proudly used social media to announce you can be shot at any moment in Texas.

7. Also used social media for this kind of toxic ammosexual macho posturing (and conspiracy mongering (https://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/what-jade-helm-conspiracy-stupidest-thing-come-out-texas-20-years)) because President Obama proposed we consider reducing the number of killing machines in this country.

8. Actively stopped a Texas county from trying to keep guns out.


https://www.alternet.org/right-wing/texas-governor-abbott-how-stop-mass-killings-you-do-working-god-and-supporting-nra-right

working with the fictional, feckless, disinterested God (who's FAILING horribly) while imposing his Christian (only) Sharia

AND

working FOR the real BigGun donations and profits

[Blake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs

That taught me

[DMC]

Would you buy a bump fire stock for the purpose of defending yourself?

You aren't required to be vetted to by accessories. You know already that he wasn't referring to the bump fire stock, something most here never heard of before the Vegas shooting.

[Blake]

Dmc gotta break down and dissect the sinister motive behind a simple question. It's what super sleuths do huh

[DMC]

Here's where psychopaths and sociopaths diverge though. A psychotic person feels no empathy or emotional pressure, whereas a sociopath does. The sociopath is the kind of person you describe, that 'snaps' due to environmental pressure/stress. While neither should have access to a weapon, the sociopath isn't really born one, but it's built as part of the societal environment. Which means anybody can turn into one at any given time (there's a buildup process though). So any attempts at dealing with this from a mental health angle has to include periodical checks for mental health. Especially for people that have large collections or are stockpiling (legal weapons anyways). Yes, it might be a hassle for collectors/enthusiasts, but we do a lot of the same with driver's licenses, etc (and before somebody points out the obvious, that driving is not a right, it doesn't matter: most states regulate rights like the 2nd amendment through licensing, gun free zones, etc, so it's perfectly legal. We have regulations and exceptions even for the 1st, 4th amendment, etc).

On the pure social side, we just can't tolerate these shootings to become the new normal. Yes, this happened a lot in the Far West, or during the Mafia days, when twitter wasn't around and nobody really found out, but we evolved in our social compact to root that out, have a better protected society with a justice system to sort out disagreements through non-violence.

Arguments about black markets, etc, are lazy, IMO. Nobody I know is arguing for a full ban on guns, so comparisons with the war on drugs is just ridiculous. It'd be more like talking about driver's licenses black market, which exists, but most citizens that can obtain one legally, go the legal route. And any black market should be fought vigorously, just as vigorously as defending your right to own a gun for self-defense.

It's no so much the fear of a ban on guns, maybe some of that is true but by and large it's the fact that, in order to regulate firearms at that mental health level retroactively, a highly invasive vetting process would need to occur that requires everyone register the weapons they own. That's only a law, not a physical barrier, so only law abiding people would register.

Let's assume for sake of arguendo that the shooter obtained the firearm illegally. Would it have changed the outcome?

I wouldn't care if the military style guns were never sold to the public. Even if another was never sold, you cannot go back in time and mentally check everyone who now owns a gun and probably shouldn't just like you cannot preemptively take the license from the guy in NY who decided to run over a bunch of Argies.

And like I said, with all the talk about gun laws, no one seems to be moving at all on mental health issues. Imagine the feds scoured facebook and twitter to find everyone who posed with a firearm. You'd have half the gangsta wannabes mixed with the nutjobs who show off their hardware, and with those you'd have the collectors and hunters and maybe even LEO and military folks. Again, we all know people who are a few microns off bubble, but we haven't done anything about it. They might even own guns. There are probably people on this forum who we wouldn't be shocked to learn they killed a few people in a fit of rage. Yet here we are, poking the bear.

[DMC]

Dmc gotta break down and dissect the sinister motive behind a simple question. It's what super sleuths do huh

"Taking a few extra steps to get a gun" has nothing to do with bump fire stocks. It's a red herring by CD to start a new narrative.

Like you, he doesn't offer anything, just rhetoric and schtick.

[TDfan2007]

It's no so much the fear of a ban on guns, maybe some of that is true but by and large it's the fact that, in order to regulate firearms at that mental health level retroactively, a highly invasive vetting process would need to occur that requires everyone register the weapons they own. That's only a law, not a physical barrier, so only law abiding people would register.

Let's assume for sake of arguendo that the shooter obtained the firearm illegally. Would it have changed the outcome?

I wouldn't care if the military style guns were never sold to the public. Even if another was never sold, you cannot go back in time and mentally check everyone who now owns a gun and probably shouldn't just like you cannot preemptively take the license from the guy in NY who decided to run over a bunch of Argies.

And like I said, with all the talk about gun laws, no one seems to be moving at all on mental health issues. Imagine the feds scoured facebook and twitter to find everyone who posed with a firearm. You'd have half the gangsta wannabes mixed with the nutjobs who show off their hardware, and with those you'd have the collectors and hunters and maybe even LEO and military folks. Again, we all know people who are a few microns off bubble, but we haven't done anything about it. They might even own guns. There are probably people on this forum who we wouldn't be shocked to learn they killed a few people in a fit of rage. Yet here we are, poking the bear.

I've gone through all 11.5 pages of this thread, and I really appreciate your thoughtful takes. Imo it would be nice if we attacked this issue on both fronts. This "either, or" mentality that has been sweeping through politics through most of the last 10 years is really getting out of hand. Reasonable gun laws should be considered, and so should expanding access to mental health.

A few mental health issues that not many people are talking about:
-Psychiatry is a very underrepresented field in medicine. In Texas alone, there are over 185 COUNTIES without a psychiatrist.
-Insurance companies are notorious for not reimbursing psychiatry well, so many psychiatrists have switched to fee-for-service, which many people can't afford. So you're already limited pool of psychiatrists becomes even more limited by the cost of going to the ones who are actually around.

[Blake]

"Taking a few extra steps to get a gun" has nothing to do with bump fire stocks. It's a red herring by CD to start a new narrative.

Like you, he doesn't offer anything, just rhetoric and schtick.

Why do you care

[Splits]

927908544275533824

:lmao

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs
That's you when gun legislation is brought up. Thanks for the share.

[Pavlov]

Why wouldn't I?

BTW, one of your liberal retard friends mocked the idea of defending against a tyrant govt. with "rifles" the other day. You idiots don't even know when you're arguing against each other. :lmaoWhy would you buy a bump fire stick for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

[Pavlov]

You aren't required to be vetted to by accessories. You know already that he wasn't referring to the bump fire stock, something most here never heard of before the Vegas shooting.
We were talking specifically about bump fire stocks. Sorry it offends you.

[Big Empty]

I dont think there is much that can be done about guns anymore. If u outlaw guns such as AR-15s criminals will still be able to obtain one. Personally, my views are starting to change. There is never going to be a gun free America. I think we could limit fire arms to pistols, bolt action rifles and shot guns. People are still going to kill. But it would be alot less killings if someone was shooting up a church with a pistol than an assault rifle. Here’s the truth, unless a group of black dudes and mexicans pull off a Las Vegas style shooting, and thats not what i want, but thats the only way conservatives will think about any type of gun legislation.

[Pavlov]

Why do you care
He's trying to make friends by acting as a defense lawyer pro bono.

"Don't answer that."

[pgardn]

You're not putting that worm back into the can though...

Nope.

And mutually assured destruction does not work on this leve.

[TSA]

No one is saying "ban all guns", but banning military assault style rifles really should not offend any non-crazy fuckers

https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/6/637956_ts.jpg

So you are good with these not being banned correct?

[Pavlov]

And now we will get bogged down in technicalities and jargon.

[Trill Clinton]

Did anyone know any of the victims?

[TSA]

And now we will get bogged down in technicalities and jargon.

Blame Chumpdumper 2.0 for steering it that way


No one is saying "ban all guns", but banning military assault style rifles really should not offend any non-crazy fuckers

[Pavlov]

Blame Chumpdumper 2.0 for steering it that wayNope. I blame you.

You always go the jargon and technicalities route.

Always.

Keeps you from talking about real issues, so mission accomplished.

[TSA]

Nope. I blame you.

You always go the jargon and technicalities route.

Always.

Keeps you from talking about real issues, so mission accomplished.

Technicalities are important. Blakes idea of banning military assault style rifles wouldn't have stopped this shooting or made it any less lethal. Military style assault rifles aren't the issue.

[Pavlov]

Technicalities are important. Blakes idea of banning military assault style rifles wouldn't have stopped this shooting or made it any less lethal. Military style assault rifles aren't the issue.Of course that's your position.

The only ultimate answer will be moar guns.

We've all been down this road before.

[TSA]

Of course that's your position.

The only ultimate answer will be moar guns.

We've all been down this road before.

Never said the answer is more guns and your are avoiding addressing my point.

If military assault style rifles didn't even exist could the Texas shooter have pulled off the exact same attack killing the exact same number of people yes or no?

[SpursforSix]

Never said the answer is more guns and your are avoiding addressing my point.

If military assault style rifles didn't even exist could the Texas shooter have pulled off the exact same attack killing the exact same number of people yes or no?

Assuming that "military assault style" means the scary black guns they use in the movies, then yes, he could have pulled off the same thing.

[Pavlov]

Never said the answer is more guns and your are avoiding addressing my point.

If military assault style rifles didn't even exist could the Texas shooter have pulled off the exact same attack killing the exact same number of people yes or no?I don't know. I'm sure your claim is he could have. Any continued conversation would get bogged down in technicalities and your scoffing at people who don't know the exact terms and jargon. You get mightily defensive about the term assault style rifle because you own and love them. I get it.

[Spurtacular]

That taught me


If you would have responded any other way than ":cry but muh 2nd amendment :cry" I'd have been stunned

Okay, then. We'll play it, straight; I should give a fuck why?

[Spurtacular]

That's you when gun legislation is brought up. Thanks for the share.

Nope. It's literally one of your fellow crybabies about Trump. If you don't like it, maybe you should switch your shit.

[Spurtacular]

Why would you buy a bump fire stick for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

Would you rather go against bump fire stock or mere rifles? You're a fucking moron.

[Pavlov]

Would you rather go against bump fire stock or mere rifles? You're a fucking moron.You didn't answer the question.

Why would you buy a bump fire stick for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

[TSA]

I don't know. I'm sure your claim is he could have. Any continued conversation would get bogged down in technicalities and your scoffing at people who don't know the exact terms and jargon. You get mightily defensive about the term assault rifle because you own and love them. I get it.

He could have, it's not up for debate. The rifle I posted ITT is no less lethal than an AR15 style rifle. AR15 style rifles aren't the issue.

And I don't own a single assault rifle so that narrative you're trying to steer towards is DOA.

[Pavlov]

He could have, it's not up for debate. The rifle I posted ITT is no less lethal than an AR15 style rifle. AR15 style rifles aren't the issue.How many bullets does that rifle pictured hold?


And I don't own a single assault rifle so that narrative you're trying to steer towards is DOA.See? I already edited because I knew you were going to jump on the technicality.

This has gone exactly as I predicted. Thank you for going into defensebot mode.

[Blake]

https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/6/637956_ts.jpg

So you are good with these not being banned correct?

It wouldn't offend me if they were banned. It's you gun freaks that go ape shit when the talk comes up about the proper term for assault rifles.

[Blake]

The question it always comes down to is what is the proper cutoff?

You freaks say "but he could have used a truck, let's ban trucks" but then run away when we start talking about muh 2nd amendment right to bear nuclear arms.

[da_suns_fan]

It's no so much the fear of a ban on guns, maybe some of that is true but by and large it's the fact that, in order to regulate firearms at that mental health level retroactively, a highly invasive vetting process would need to occur that requires everyone register the weapons they own. That's only a law, not a physical barrier, so only law abiding people would register.

Let's assume for sake of arguendo that the shooter obtained the firearm illegally. Would it have changed the outcome?




Lets make people with untreated mental illness have to navigate a black market. Good luck with that.

Trump is in South Korea. They dont have this problem. Like, at all. You are 125 times more likely to be shot in the U.S. than in South Korea.

The numbers are even "worse" comparing to Japan.

The stupid talking points used by DMC fall flat because he never says what he really thinks: He likes his guns and doesnt want to give them up. He doesnt care how many mass shootings there are. He's done the same schtick after Virginia tech, Eagle colorado, tucsocn etc.

[TSA]

How many bullets does that rifle pictured hold?

See? I already edited because I knew you were going to jump on the technicality.

This has gone exactly as I predicted. Thank you for going into defensebot mode.

Holds the exact same amount of bullets as the rifle used by the Texas shooter and has the same rate of fire.

[boutons_deux]

shooter was a 2012 escapee from a mental health facility in NM.

[Pavlov]

Holds the exact same amount of bullets as the rifle used by the Texas shooter and has the same rate of fire.EDIT

To get really precise -- what is the maximum number of bullets that could be in that gun as it is pictured above?

[TSA]

EDIT

To get really precise -- what is the maximum number of bullets that could be in that gun as it is pictured above?

100 rounds

[Spurminator]

They're for hunting Megadeer, a 20 foot colossus requiring at least 65 hits to take down.

[Pavlov]

https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/6/637956_ts.jpg

So you are good with these not being banned correct?You're telling me there could be 100 bullets in this gun in this picture?

Where are they fitting in the gun in this picture?

[clambake]

You're telling me there could be 100 bullets in this gun in this picture?

Where are they fitting in the gun in this picture?
the magazine is invisible.

[Quadzilla99]

Jesus Christ
927990316807983106
927986313760067590

[Quadzilla99]

927992169125818368

[Spurminator]

927986313760067590

[TSA]

You're telling me there could be 100 bullets in this gun in this picture?

Where are they fitting in the gun in this picture?

There could be one bullet in that gun pictured.

The same amount as this one

https://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/2-spkstr5025-m4f.jpg

Do you have a point?

[boutons_deux]

Jesus Christ


The military is as good at documenting military crime data as it is at accounting for $100Bs it loses every year.

Fuck the corporate-welfare/imperial-self-enriching MIC. It's just one of the many scams why most Americans and America suffer.

[Pavlov]

There could be one bullet in that gun pictured.Dodge #1.

You're telling me there could be 100 bullets in this gun in this picture?

Where are they fitting in the gun in this picture?

[TSA]

Dodge #1.

You're telling me there could be 100 bullets in this gun in this picture?

Where are they fitting in the gun in this picture?

I just said one bullet in the gun pictured. You quoted me saying it.

[AaronY]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs
Your mom had the same reaction when she saw what came out of her womb I heard

[Pavlov]

I just said one bullet in the gun pictured. You quoted me saying it.Ah you weren't precise enough to say that is the maximum that could be in the gun as pictured. Details are important. What does the same gun look like with 100 bullets in it?

[TSA]

Ah. what does the same gun look like with 100 bullets in it?

The same as an AR with a 100 round drum on it.
You don't have a point do you :lol

[Pavlov]

The same as an AR with a 100 round drum on it.
You don't have a point do you :lolSo Blake shouldn't have limited his argument with the term that triggered you so you could bog it down in technicalities.

Thanks again for being so defensive. Made it easy. :tu

[AaronY]

the magazine is invisible.
stealth technology like on the stealth bomber

[TSA]

So Blake shouldn't have limited his argument with the term that triggered you so you could bog it down in technicalities.

Thanks again for being so defensive. Made it easy. :tu

Blake should have made an argument that actually would have made a difference.

[Pavlov]

Blake should have made an argument that actually would have made a difference.:lol We know that your answer to the problem is do nothing at all about guns.

[TSA]

:lol We know that your answer to the problem is do nothing at all about guns.

Now you just lie cause you feel stupid.

And :lol at whining about a thread being bogged down in technicalities after doing two pages of just that

[Pavlov]

Now you just lie cause you feel stupid.What's your answer that involves doing something about the guns themselves?


And :lol at whining about a thread being bogged down in technicalities after doing two pages of just thatNecessary since you started it by being so massively triggered. Thank you for your cooperation.

Now that that's out of the way, what's your answer that involves doing something about the guns themselves?

[TE]

I've gone through all 11.5 pages of this thread, and I really appreciate your thoughtful takes. Imo it would be nice if we attacked this issue on both fronts. This "either, or" mentality that has been sweeping through politics through most of the last 10 years is really getting out of hand. Reasonable gun laws should be considered, and so should expanding access to mental health.

A few mental health issues that not many people are talking about:
-Psychiatry is a very underrepresented field in medicine. In Texas alone, there are over 185 COUNTIES without a psychiatrist.
-Insurance companies are notorious for not reimbursing psychiatry well, so many psychiatrists have switched to fee-for-service, which many people can't afford. So you're already limited pool of psychiatrists becomes even more limited by the cost of going to the ones who are actually around.
+++

To add to this many PCP's then have the duty to treat potential psyche patients at their offices. This adds to the concept misdiagnosis/overdiagnosis that the APA and DSMV get hit with.

So people going into the office for the first time with a chief complaint that perhaps has an accompanying psyche component aren't getting the full/correct treatment. I've personally seen this during my rotations in the primary care setting and it's alarming tbh.

[Blake]

They're for hunting Megadeer, a 20 foot colossus requiring at least 65 hits to take down.

Neh, used for self defense

[SnakeBoy]

Dodge #1.

You're telling me there could be 100 bullets in this gun in this picture?

Where are they fitting in the gun in this picture?

The bullets go in the magazine...but I don't want to get bogged down in technicalities because they aren't important when talking about things like legislation.

You would think that people who are so convinced they know exactly what type of firearms should be legal or banned would at least learn some basic things about the firearms they are talking about.

[DMC]

Why do you care

Either it's right or it's wrong. Caring is beside the point.

[Quadzilla99]

The bullets go in the magazine...but I don't want to get bogged down in technicalities because they aren't important when talking about things like legislation.

You would think that people who are so convinced they know exactly what type of firearms should be legal or banned would at least learn some basic things about the firearms they are talking about.
The magazine holds 100 rounds?

[TSA]

What's your answer that involves doing something about the guns themselves?

Necessary since you started it by being so massively triggered. Thank you for your cooperation.

Now that that's out of the way, what's your answer that involves doing something about the guns themselves?
:rollin massively triggered

You project your emotions more than any poster here.

Other than universal background checks and a more efficient NICS system I don't think anything else needs to be done about the guns themselves. As I've already proven in this thread banning military style rifles won't make shootings like these any less lethal or less frequent.

The gun problem we have here in the States is rooted in poverty, lack of education, shitty upbringing, and lack of sufficient help for mental health problems. Banning a type of gun won't fix any of that.

[Pavlov]

The bullets go in the magazine...but I don't want to get bogged down in technicalities because they aren't important when talking about things like legislation.

You would think that people who are so convinced they know exactly what type of firearms should be legal or banned would at least learn some basic things about the firearms they are talking about.I think the debate is more properly framed now that the technicality triggers have been dealt with.

[Pavlov]

:rollin massively triggered

You project your emotions more than any poster here.

Other than universal background checks and a more efficient NICS system I don't think anything else needs to be done about the guns themselves. As I've already proven in this thread banning military style rifles won't make shootings like these any less lethal or less frequent.

The gun problem we have here in the States is rooted in poverty, lack of education, shitty upbringing, and lack of sufficient help for mental health problems. Banning a type of gun won't fix any of that.See, you don't want to do one thing about the guns themselves.

Why do you get pissy when I perfectly predict your argument?

[TSA]

The bullets go in the magazine...but I don't want to get bogged down in technicalities because they aren't important when talking about things like legislation.

You would think that people who are so convinced they know exactly what type of firearms should be legal or banned would at least learn some basic things about the firearms they are talking about.

Some classics from the people writing gun legislation

“Shoulder thing that go up”

This infamous phrase was spoken by Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) after she admitted that she did not immediately recall what a barrel shroud was, despite identifying the item as part of a bill to ban so-called “assault weapons.”

A barrel shroud is, of course, a covering attached to the barrel of a firearm that prevents the user from burning themselves—as its name would suggest. A “shoulder thing that goes up,”

“There won’t be any more available”

US Representative Diana DeGette (D-CO) uttered these words in a forum on gun control after explaining that once gun owners have used their magazines, they won’t be able to use them anymore. What?

Maybe the full quote will help:

“What’s the efficacy of banning these magazine clips? I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those know they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these ‘high capacity’ magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.”

Incendiary rounds are “heat seeking devices”

While discussing a proposed ban on .50 caliber rifles, New York Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington (D-District 3) mistook incendiary rounds for heat-seeking ammunition. Incendiary rounds do not, in fact, track targets, but have a compound within the projectile that burns rapidly.

“Buy a shotgun” and “fire two blasts”

This notorious quote comes from none other than Vice President Joe Biden, who in a town hall Q&A with Parents magazine, recommended buying a shotgun and firing two shots out of your front door if you feel threatened. Not exactly the best legal advice, as in 2013 a man claimed he followed Biden’s advice to chase away three men from breaking into his car, only to be slapped with a misdemeanor charge.

Biden also received criticism from gun rights advocates by saying that shotguns are preferable to AR-15s since the rifles are “harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun.”

The “Ghost Gun” incident

This is a prime lesson that politicians should familiarize themselves with the topic at hand before speaking publicly. California State Senator Kevin de León spoke at length about “ghost guns,” or firearms that lack a serial number, during a press conference in 2014. Arguably the most memorable moment was when de León identified one of the “ghost guns.”

“This is a ghost gun. This right here has the ability with a 30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. 30 magazine clip within half a second,” he said.

Okay, none of that makes any sense, so let’s break it down.

There is no such thing as a “30-caliber clip.” What de León meant to say was likely that the weapon had a magazine capable of storing 30 rounds. Also, unless that firearm has been heavily modified and is from the future, it likely does not fire 30 rounds within half a second. To put this in perspective, the maximum rate of fire from a M134 Minigun, a machine gun that has six barrels, can fire 50 rounds in half a second. And that’s the gun’s theoretical maximum. Your average AR-15 variant has a much lower rate of fire.

[Pavlov]

Some classics from the people writing gun legislation

“Shoulder thing that go up”

This infamous phrase was spoken by Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) after she admitted that she did not immediately recall what a barrel shroud was, despite identifying the item as part of a bill to ban so-called “assault weapons.”

A barrel shroud is, of course, a covering attached to the barrel of a firearm that prevents the user from burning themselves—as its name would suggest. A “shoulder thing that goes up,”

“There won’t be any more available”

US Representative Diana DeGette (D-CO) uttered these words in a forum on gun control after explaining that once gun owners have used their magazines, they won’t be able to use them anymore. What?

Maybe the full quote will help:

“What’s the efficacy of banning these magazine clips? I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those know they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these ‘high capacity’ magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.”

Incendiary rounds are “heat seeking devices”

While discussing a proposed ban on .50 caliber rifles, New York Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington (D-District 3) mistook incendiary rounds for heat-seeking ammunition. Incendiary rounds do not, in fact, track targets, but have a compound within the projectile that burns rapidly.

“Buy a shotgun” and “fire two blasts”

This notorious quote comes from none other than Vice President Joe Biden, who in a town hall Q&A with Parents magazine, recommended buying a shotgun and firing two shots out of your front door if you feel threatened. Not exactly the best legal advice, as in 2013 a man claimed he followed Biden’s advice to chase away three men from breaking into his car, only to be slapped with a misdemeanor charge.

Biden also received criticism from gun rights advocates by saying that shotguns are preferable to AR-15s since the rifles are “harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun.”

The “Ghost Gun” incident

This is a prime lesson that politicians should familiarize themselves with the topic at hand before speaking publicly. California State Senator Kevin de León spoke at length about “ghost guns,” or firearms that lack a serial number, during a press conference in 2014. Arguably the most memorable moment was when de León identified one of the “ghost guns.”

“This is a ghost gun. This right here has the ability with a 30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. 30 magazine clip within half a second,” he said.

Okay, none of that makes any sense, so let’s break it down.

There is no such thing as a “30-caliber clip.” What de León meant to say was likely that the weapon had a magazine capable of storing 30 rounds. Also, unless that firearm has been heavily modified and is from the future, it likely does not fire 30 rounds within half a second. To put this in perspective, the maximum rate of fire from a M134 Minigun, a machine gun that has six barrels, can fire 50 rounds in half a second. And that’s the gun’s theoretical maximum. Your average AR-15 variant has a much lower rate of fire.And there we have it.

:lol so predictable

[DMC]

Lets make people with untreated mental illness have to navigate a black market. Good luck with that.

Trump is in South Korea. They dont have this problem. Like, at all. You are 125 times more likely to be shot in the U.S. than in South Korea.

The numbers are even "worse" comparing to Japan.

The stupid talking points used by DMC fall flat because he never says what he really thinks: He likes his guns and doesnt want to give them up. He doesnt care how many mass shootings there are. He's done the same schtick after Virginia tech, Eagle colorado, tucsocn etc.

I volunteered to have myself registered as a firearm owner (through CHL).

Even then, other than the collectors shit and few tack drivers, few shotguns and some sidearms, I am not a gun person. I've never owned an AR-15. Don't care to. I've never been impressed with stamped out receivers and lowest bidder rifles. I much prefer something more comfortable, lighter, like a Sako. Even then, I'm a bowhunter.

It's amusing to watch you retarded fuckers try to peg me. "You're a Christian conservative!" .. no, I'm atheist and voted for Obama twice. "But, you hunt and love guns" No.. I don't love guns. I was raised owning guns and think of them as tools, not eye candy to impress my social media friends. I don't love ratchet sets or open end wrenches. I have plenty of them. "But but.. you always defend guns!" I never defend guns. I only correct you faggots who talk so much shit about legislation you claim to want when you can't be bothered to even learn what the fuck you're talking about.

You especially, Mr semi-auto revolver guy.

[TSA]

See, you don't want to do one thing about the guns themselves.

Why do you get pissy when I perfectly predict your argument?

:lol projecting emotions again
:lol still not offering your own solutions and instead still bogging down the thread

Other than banning and confiscating every single firearm what do you propose to do to "the guns themselves" that will eliminate shooting deaths in the States?

[DMC]

And there we have it.

:lol so predictable

The shoe fits.

[Pavlov]

:lol projecting emotions again
:lol still not offering your own solutions and instead still bogging down the thread

Other than banning and confiscating every single firearm what do you propose to do to "the guns themselves" that will eliminate shooting deaths in the States?Nothing.

Not a thing about anything.

It's useless with people like you not even entertaining doing one thing about guns themselves. You couldn't even bring yourself to consider an outright ban on bump fire stocks.

So just let the American carnage continue. People like you won't do anything about it, so why should anyone?

[Pavlov]

Hell, one of the first things your dear leader did was gut a rule making it more difficult for the severely mentally ill to get guns.

Trump supporters were all busted up about that one, weren't they?

[TSA]

You always go the jargon and technicalities route.

Always.

Keeps you from talking about real issues, so mission accomplished.


The gun problem we have here in the States is rooted in poverty, lack of education, shitty upbringing, and lack of sufficient help for mental health problems


Other than banning and confiscating every single firearm what do you propose to do to "the guns themselves" that will eliminate shooting deaths in the States?


Nothing.

Not a thing about anything.

It's useless with people like you not even entertaining doing one thing about guns themselves. You couldn't even bring yourself to consider an outright ban on bump fire stocks.

So just let the American carnage continue. People like you won't do anything about it, so why should anyone?

You are just here to bog down another thread

106,048 and counting

[Blake]

Either it's right or it's wrong. Caring is beside the point.

Dmc moral police on duty

[Pavlov]

You are just here to bog down another thread

106,048 and countingPost another picture of a gun. That'll solve everything.

[Chris]

Post another picture of a gun. That'll solve everything.

What's your solution to the problem at hand?

[Pavlov]

What's your solution to the problem at hand?Nothing.

Trump ended American carnage by making it easier for the severely mentally ill to legally purchase guns.

Mission accomplished.

You certainly think everything is fine with guns, don't you?

[Chris]

Nothing.

Trump ended American carnage by making it easier for the severely mentally ill to legally purchase guns.

Mission accomplished.

You certainly think everything is fine with guns, don't you?

Arm the citizens and teach them to shoot at a young age. Pyschopaths will either think twice about trying to kill a bunch of people or get neutralized quickly by a well trained population. We don't need individual hero's like we see today, but a collective consciousness trained and ready for these types of events. Taking away someone's ability to defend themselves is ludicrous.

[Pavlov]

Arm the citizens and teach them to shoot at a young age. Pyschopaths will either think twice about trying to kill a bunch of people or get neutralized quickly by a well trained population. We don't need individual hero's like we see today, but a collective consciousness trained and ready for these types of events. Taking away someone's ability to defend themselves is ludicrous.Moar guns.

What if a congregation simply doesn't want any guns in their church?

[Chris]

Moar guns.

What if a congregation simply doesn't want any guns in their church?

Certainly their prerogative, although a foolish one in this day and age. Metal detectors and security guards to greet you on Sunday instead of the Pastor? A dystopian way of thinking about things, but this is what it has come to.

[Pavlov]

Certainly their prerogative, although a foolish one in this day and age. Metal detectors and security guards to greet you on Sunday instead of the Pastor? A dystopian way of thinking about things, but this is what it has come to.Wait, turning churches into armed camps full of paramilitary troops isn't dystopian to you?

[Spurminator]

Of course the answer to gun violence is to buy more guns.

The NRA has been pretty genius in creating such a huge group of volunteer salesmen.

[TSA]

And now we will get bogged down in technicalities and jargon.

^^^
proceeds to bog down the thread for the next 5 hours :rollin

[Pavlov]

^^^
proceeds to bog down the thread for the next 5 hours :rollinI predicted it would happen when you flew into defensebot mode. Tried to get it over with quickly.

:lol What about this picture of a gun?

[TSA]

I predicted it would happen when you flew into defensebot mode. Tried to get it over with quickly.

:lol What about this picture of a gun?



:lol still not offering any solutions to gun violence
:lol still bogging down the thread
:lol bog projecting

106,058 and counting

[Pavlov]

:lol still not offering any solutions to gun violence
:lol still bogging down the thread
:lol bog projecting

106,058 and counting:lol Blame the poor and mentally ill.
:lol Don't touch muh guns.
:lol Protect muh bump fire stocks.
:lol post count smack.
:lol Here's another picture of a different gun.
:lol Don't you dare say the words assault rifle.

[TSA]

:cry don't bog down the thread
:cry talk about the issues
:cry okay never mind I don't want to talk about the issues

[Chucho]

That's fucked up dude.


No it's not.

[Pavlov]

:cry don't bog down the thread
:cry talk about the issues
:cry okay never mind I don't want to talk about the issues:cry I'm going to bog down the thread with pictures and articles about technical terms
:cry okay nevermind I think bogging is bad, let's not talk about guns tho

[Blake]

Arm the citizens and teach them to shoot at a young age.

Yup. It would have probably stopped Sandy Hook from happening if dem 4th graders were armed with public school funded rifles.

[spurraider21]

I'm sure suicidal murderers are scared of getting killed.

[unleashbaynes]

Australia had the Port Arthur mass shooting. They took measures to make sure something like that didn't happen again. I don't understand how it's so hard for the US to do the same when this happens over, and over, and over again.

[Pavlov]

Australia had the Port Arthur mass shooting. They took measures to make sure something like that didn't happen again. I don't understand how it's so hard for the US to do the same when this happens over, and over, and over again.Too late now. We just need to keep making moar guns and things will get better. It just makes sense.

[boutons_deux]

I don't understand how it's so hard for the US to do the same

BigGun has corrupted and owns politicians, conned people into being gun freaks. America is a sick, crumbling, disintegrating society, incapable of curing itself because the its many sicknesses enrich the oligarchy that blocks are cures and progress.

[Spurminator]

Guns that are capable of mowing down dozens of people should be prohibitively expensive, and ideally collector's items that are worth more unused.

No one's running an Aston Martin into crowds of people.

[pgardn]

That's always been the case though. Tim McVeigh killed a lot of people with a truck and some fertilizer. Park something like that in front of a church and you kill everyone inside.

If there's a gun problem, it's that uneducated dipshits feel empowered by owning them, showing them off, bragging about them. 99.99999999999% of these assholes are benign. That one fucker isn't bluffing though.

I've never cared about military style carbines. I've owned fully automatic weapons and still do, but it's an investment and fun to shoot. You'll likely never see a 20K dollar rifle used in a mass shooting. These are collectors items. They have NFA laws attached to them already.

A lot of this shit is copycat. Media makes these assholes out to be superstars by reporting on everything in their existence. These are nobody types that otherwise would die alone in a motel room, a week before anyone checked up on them. They decide instead to go out with a bang because hey, look at the fucker from Vegas. He's famous now. Same for all the mass shooters, they are famous. They have TV shows about them.

No it has not always been the case.
Absolutely not.

[DMC]

Dmc moral police on duty

Right or wrong from a logical standpoint, not a moral one, dipshit.

[DMC]

Nothing.


Besides mass shit posting you mean.

[DMC]

No it has not always been the case.
Absolutely not.

Bullshit. As long as there has been gunpowder, poison, fire.. there has been the ability for one person to kill a mass amount of people in one fell swoop.

[DMC]

Guns that are capable of mowing down dozens of people should be prohibitively expensive, and ideally collector's items that are worth more unused.

No one's running an Aston Martin into crowds of people.
It's very simple to create a sear and modify a receiver to full auto. The full auto sear (transferable) is already very expensive because they are not being manufactured for sale to the public since 1986. So then a full auto that's legal to own is very expensive, but not because it's not been fired. Most of these guns get fired all the time. It's because of the little registration number on the small piece of metal in the receiver that allows someone to build a gun around it over and over. Otherwise the 20,000 dollar Colt M16 is no different than an AR-15 that costs 800.00 at a sporting goods store.

Again, learn about it first, talk about it second. Stop proposing solutions when you don't understand the concept in the 1st place. Just say guns are bad, like the liberal women do, and sit down.

[DMC]

I'm sure suicidal murderers are scared of getting killed.
Are you this stupid? Do you think someone hell bent on taking as many people with them as possible is going to pick a situation where they are shot right away? Hell no, they want to see the carnage they cause, they want to leave an impression.

In your haste to be pithy you come across as immature and naive.

[Blake]

Right or wrong from a logical standpoint, not a moral one, dipshit.

Dmc outsourced logic police.

[DMC]

Dmc outsourced logic police.

Blake, whiny lapdog cuck.

[Blake]

Blake, whiny lapdog cuck.

Lol I'm making fun of your original whining, dipshit

[pgardn]

Bullshit. As long as there has been gunpowder, poison, fire.. there has been the ability for one person to kill a mass amount of people in one fell swoop.

Totally and utterly stupid.

Its much easier today for a larger % of the population to do the deed.
You are "dead" wrong. It's easier to get info & materials.

[Blake]

It's very simple to create a sear and modify a receiver to full auto. The full auto sear (transferable) is already very expensive because they are not being manufactured for sale to the public since 1986. So then a full auto that's legal to own is very expensive, but not because it's not been fired. Most of these guns get fired all the time. It's because of the little registration number on the small piece of metal in the receiver that allows someone to build a gun around it over and over. Otherwise the 20,000 dollar Colt M16 is no different than an AR-15 that costs 800.00 at a sporting goods store.

Again, learn about it first, talk about it second. Stop proposing solutions when you don't understand the concept in the 1st place. Just say guns are bad, like the liberal women do, and sit down.

Can you create a sear and modify a handgun or Walmart hunting rifle to fill auto?

[DMC]

Can you create a sear and modify a handgun or Walmart hunting rifle to fill auto?

Absolutely, if it has a semi-auto movement then it already has the energy required to squeeze off another round. All the energy is needed to chamber the round, releasing the firing pin is nothing.

[DMC]

Totally and utterly stupid.

Its much easier today for a larger % of the population to do the deed.
You are "dead" wrong. It's easier to get info & materials.

Here's what you said:

The problem is also technology and information has allowed one Fd up individual to kill a whole bunch of people in a few minutes. It's not just a leader who can take the title of mass murderer.

You didn't mention anything about being easier or harder, so now you've gotten away from your original statement and moved the goalpost.

Technology didn't allow it. It just made it easier. It's always been allowed through simply being possible to do.

[pgardn]

Here's what you said:


You didn't mention anything about being easier or harder, so now you've gotten away from your original statement and moved the goalpost.

Technology didn't allow it. It just made it easier. It's always been allowed through simply being possible to do.

Seriously...? Holy shit...


Its implicit in the original statement, especially when I referred to leaders who have access to info, materials and means.
You can't stand wrinkles in your bed can you...

[Blake]

Absolutely, if it has a semi-auto movement then it already has the energy required to squeeze off another round. All the energy is needed to chamber the round, releasing the firing pin is nothing.

Is it possible to make handguns that cannot convert to full auto?

[Th'Pusher]

Seriously...? Holy shit...


Its implicit in the original statement, especially when I referred to leaders who have access to info, materials and means.
You can't stand wrinkles in your bed can you...

He’s a pedant.

[DMC]

Is it possible to make handguns that cannot convert to full auto?

They are called revolvers.

[DMC]

Seriously...? Holy shit...


Its implicit in the original statement, especially when I referred to leaders who have access to info, materials and means.
You can't stand wrinkles in your bed can you...

You always say something stupid then return with this air of incredulity as if the other person said it instead.

Clean your shit up. I shouldn't have to point out your own fucking statements to you.

[Th'Pusher]

You always say something stupid then return with this air of incredulity as if the other person said it instead.

Clean your shit up. I shouldn't have to point out your own fucking statements to you.

Everyone understood his point but you.

[pgardn]

You always say something stupid then return with this air of incredulity as if the other person said it instead.

Clean your shit up. I shouldn't have to point out your own fucking statements to you.

I have not shit. So there is nothing to clean up.

"Now you see here, you have moved the goalposts" ... Good lord...

Are you serious? You knew exactly what I was writing but just wanted to be difficult.
You do have a wad up your ass.
I need to write a technical paper for you.

[DMC]

Everyone understood his point but you.

Did you take a poll?

[pgardn]

Everyone understood his point but you.

I admit I am a lazy even sloppy writer on this board.

But holy shit...

[Spurminator]

It's very simple to create a sear and modify a receiver to full auto. The full auto sear (transferable) is already very expensive because they are not being manufactured for sale to the public since 1986. So then a full auto that's legal to own is very expensive, but not because it's not been fired. Most of these guns get fired all the time. It's because of the little registration number on the small piece of metal in the receiver that allows someone to build a gun around it over and over. Otherwise the 20,000 dollar Colt M16 is no different than an AR-15 that costs 800.00 at a sporting goods store.

Again, learn about it first, talk about it second. Stop proposing solutions when you don't understand the concept in the 1st place. Just say guns are bad, like the liberal women do, and sit down.

:lol
When did I even say anything about full auto? You jumped to the NRA semantics argument strategy a little ahead of schedule there, TSA. No one is impressed by your gun nuttery.

An AR-15 shouldn't be just $800. Period.

[pgardn]

Did you take a poll?

You pick up on my "air of incredulity", but can't understand context and what is implied...

Ok then...

[DMC]

Totally and utterly stupid.

Its much easier today for a larger % of the population to do the deed.
You are "dead" wrong. It's easier to get info & materials.


Seriously...? Holy shit...


Its implicit in the original statement, especially when I referred to leaders who have access to info, materials and means.
You can't stand wrinkles in your bed can you...


I have not shit. So there is nothing to clean up.

"Now you see here, you have moved the goalposts" ... Good lord...

Are you serious? You knew exactly what I was writing but just wanted to be difficult.
You do have a wad up your ass.
I need to write a technical paper for you.

When you say stupid shit then try to backtrack on it (never admitting you were wrong), it always looks like this... fake incredulity out the ass.

You make some off the wall statement, I point out that you're wrong (not just misunderstood, flat out wrong) and you begin to defend it as if you actually meant what it appears you meant. Now you're saying you didn't mean that. What were you defending again?

[DMC]

You pick up on my "air of incredulity", but can't understand context and what is implied...

Ok then...

See above... :lol pick up on it? You slather it on like butter on a hot muffin.

[pgardn]

See above... :lol pick up on it? You slather it on like butter on a hot muffin.

So you know me but you don't.
Thank you Mrs. Crutchfield for your help.

[DMC]

:lol
When did I even say anything about full auto? You jumped to the NRA semantics argument strategy a little ahead of schedule there, TSA. No one is impressed by your gun nuttery.

An AR-15 shouldn't be just $800. Period.
So then any gun that fires a projectile with enough KE to kill a human should be cost prohibitive?

[Th'Pusher]

I admit I am a lazy even sloppy writer on this board.

But holy shit...

I do the same. It’s an informal message board and I’m generally typing on my phone. He thinks we’re writing a thesis.

I’ve been down this road with DMC before. He’s a pedantic man and if you’re in an argument with him that he is losing, he grows more pedantic.

I just stopped taking him seriously. He can add periodic spurts of value, but in general, he’s a troll.

[DMC]

So you know me but you don't.
Thank you Mrs. Crutchfield for your help.

I don't know Mark Twain but I know how he wrote.

[DMC]

I do the same. It’s an informal message board and I’m generally typing on my phone. He thinks we’re writing a thesis.

I’ve been down this road with DMC before. He’s a pedantic man and if you’re in an argument with him that he is losing, he grows more pedantic.

I just stopped taking him seriously. He can add periodic spurts of value, but in general, he’s a troll.

Bend over, I'll add a spurt of value.

[pgardn]

When you say stupid shit then try to backtrack on it (never admitting you were wrong), it always looks like this... fake incredulity out the ass.

You make some off the wall statement, I point out that you're wrong (not just misunderstood, flat out wrong) and you begin to defend it as if you actually meant what it appears you meant. Now you're saying you didn't mean that. What were you defending again?

It is easier to kill a large number of people quickly with improved technology and information.
Off the wall... And wrong?

And you wanna argue this even though you understand it.
You got an itch, a bad itch.

[pgardn]

I don't know Mark Twain but I know how he wrote.

Uh-huh...

[Th'Pusher]

Bend over, I'll add a spurt of value.

Not overused on ST at all :tu

[pgardn]

I do the same. It’s an informal message board and I’m generally typing on my phone. He thinks we’re writing a thesis.

I’ve been down this road with DMC before. He’s a pedantic man and if you’re in an argument with him that he is losing, he grows more pedantic.

I just stopped taking him seriously. He can add periodic spurts of value, but in general, he’s a troll.

Pendatic and obsessed.
He keeps score as he wishes, so I get it.

Im typing on a Fkn iPad in an airport.
Autocorrect...

[DMC]

Not overused on ST at all :tu

You or that phrase?

[DMC]

It is easier to kill a large number of people quickly with improved technology and information.
Off the wall... And wrong?

And you wanna argue this even though you understand it.
You got an itch, a bad itch.
There's a difference between easy and possible.

Pretending it's pedantic to point that out is just giving yourself a free pass.

[Spurtacular]

You didn't answer the question.

Why would you buy a bump fire stick for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

My (rhetorical) question was the answer, fucking moron.

[whitemamba]

White people need to be sedated , they have murdered more innocent people than any religion or culture combined. Get these gringos some Xanax

[Pavlov]

My (rhetorical) question was the answer, fucking moron.Considering it takes a bit of time to get the bump fire stock to work properly and the subsequent jamming, I'd probably rather face someone trying to futz with that tbh.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

[Spurtacular]

I'm sure suicidal murderers are scared of getting killed.

They're scared of being maimed and not finished. They're scared of being sent to prison to get raped in the ass. Though, I'm just jumping in here. Not sure where you were going with that.

[Pavlov]

They're scared of being maimed and not finished. They're scared of being sent to prison to get raped in the ass. Though, I'm just jumping in here. Not sure where you were going with that.The suicidal part pretty much takes care of that.

[Spurtacular]

It's very simple to create a sear and modify a receiver to full auto. The full auto sear (transferable) is already very expensive because they are not being manufactured for sale to the public since 1986. So then a full auto that's legal to own is very expensive, but not because it's not been fired. Most of these guns get fired all the time. It's because of the little registration number on the small piece of metal in the receiver that allows someone to build a gun around it over and over. Otherwise the 20,000 dollar Colt M16 is no different than an AR-15 that costs 800.00 at a sporting goods store.

Again, learn about it first, talk about it second. Stop proposing solutions when you don't understand the concept in the 1st place. Just say guns are bad, like the liberal women do, and sit down.
Spurminator would never get to post if he went by that standard. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Considering it takes a bit of time to get the bump fire stock to work properly and the subsequent jamming, I'd probably rather face someone trying to futz with that tbh.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

Would you rather face off against bump fire stock or a rifle? The question is the fucking answer, dipshit.

[Spurtacular]

White people need to be sedated , they have murdered more innocent people than any religion or culture combined. Get these gringos some Xanax

Full retard.

[pgardn]

There's a difference between easy and possible.

Pretending it's pedantic to point that out is just giving yourself a free pass.

And you don't think I understand this? I have slathered this in many other posts as well. You pick up on my butter slathering. So don't play pretend.

This is ridiculous.
You know exactly what I'm saying.

You want a point. Give yourself a point, because I know you understand.
Yeah.
Because I know you know even though I don't know you.

Christ... *the semiliquid butter rests on my innocent butter knife"

[Pavlov]

Would you rather face off against bump fire stock or a rifle? The question is the fucking answer, dipshit.Considering it takes a bit of time to get the bump fire stock to work properly and the subsequent jamming, I'd probably rather face someone trying to futz with that tbh.

Had you actually read that, you'd see there is some room for dispute.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

Just take a deep breath and explain your preference.

[Spurtacular]

Considering it takes a bit of time to get the bump fire stock to work properly and the subsequent jamming, I'd probably rather face someone trying to futz with that tbh.

Had you actually read that, you'd see there is some room for dispute.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

Just take a deep breath and explain your preference.

So, people may not know how to operate it is your argument for making it illegal? Cos that's really the only reason to be arguing that. Yea, you went full retard, too. And arguing for that would be full retard upon full retard, too.

[Pavlov]

So, people may not know how to operate it is your argument for making it illegal?No.
Cos that's really the only reason to be arguing that.You asked what I would rather face.
Yea, you went full retard, too. And arguing for that would be full retard upon full retard, too.You are free to list your reasons why you would rather face a regular AR-15.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

Just take a deep breath and explain your preference.

[Spurtacular]

No.You asked what I would rather face.You are free to list your reasons why you would rather face a regular AR-15.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

Just take a deep breath and explain your preference.

All's you did was choose not to face operational bump fire stock in an effort to pretend bump fire stock isn't lethal while previously arguing that it's too lethal. Yea, that doesn't pass the muster. You've lost another one, chump.

[Pavlov]

All's you did was choose not to face operational bump fire stock in an effort to pretend bump fire stock isn't lethal while previously arguing that it's too lethal.It's good at dumping a mag into a crowd of people and that's about it.

If I have to face someone I'd prefer to face someone trying to futz with a bump fire stock that has a higher chance of jamming while I did not.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

[Spurtacular]

It's good at dumping a mag into a crowd of people and that's about it.

If I have to face someone I'd prefer to face someone trying to futz with a bump fire stock that has a higher chance of jamming while I did not.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.

"All's you did was choose not to face operational bump fire stock in an effort to pretend bump fire stock isn't lethal while previously arguing that it's too lethal."

The :lmao was implied. You already lost this one through your own stupidity, chump.

[Pavlov]

"All's you did was choose not to face operational bump fire stock in an effort to pretend bump fire stock isn't lethal while previously arguing that it's too lethal."

The :lmao was implied. You already lost this one through your own stupidity, chump.It's good at dumping a mag into a crowd of people and that's about it.

If I have to face someone I'd prefer to face someone trying to futz with a bump fire stock that has a higher chance of jamming while I did not.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.


Don't be afraid to give your reasons. I did. It's easy. Nothing to be afraid of.

[DMC]

White people need to be sedated , they have murdered more innocent people than any religion or culture combined. Get these gringos some Xanax

The colorful people have had since the dawn of mankind to do something about yet here we are.

[DMC]

It's good at dumping a mag into a crowd of people and that's about it.

If I have to face someone I'd prefer to face someone trying to futz with a bump fire stock that has a higher chance of jamming while I did not.

Why would you buy a bump fire stock for self defense? Give the scenario in which you would use that strictly for defense.


Don't be afraid to give your reasons. I did. It's easy. Nothing to be afraid of.

You ever fired an automatic weapon? I cannot imagine you've ever held something that shoots that fast other than someone's cock.

[Spurminator]

So then any gun that fires a projectile with enough KE to kill a human should be cost prohibitive?

That's not what I said either. 3rd time's a charm?

[DMC]

That's not what I said either. 3rd time's a charm?

Yeah, you are all so misunderstood.

Scenario:

1. Fully automatic weapon (you said nope)
2. Non-auto weapon (you said nope)

You obviously think a bump fire stock is part of the gun. They aren't. Just an FYI. It's an accessory.

[Chris]

Spurminator would never get to post if he went by that standard. :lmao

:lol

[ElNono]

It's no so much the fear of a ban on guns, maybe some of that is true but by and large it's the fact that, in order to regulate firearms at that mental health level retroactively, a highly invasive vetting process would need to occur that requires everyone register the weapons they own. That's only a law, not a physical barrier, so only law abiding people would register.

Let's assume for sake of arguendo that the shooter obtained the firearm illegally. Would it have changed the outcome?

I wouldn't care if the military style guns were never sold to the public. Even if another was never sold, you cannot go back in time and mentally check everyone who now owns a gun and probably shouldn't just like you cannot preemptively take the license from the guy in NY who decided to run over a bunch of Argies.

And like I said, with all the talk about gun laws, no one seems to be moving at all on mental health issues. Imagine the feds scoured facebook and twitter to find everyone who posed with a firearm. You'd have half the gangsta wannabes mixed with the nutjobs who show off their hardware, and with those you'd have the collectors and hunters and maybe even LEO and military folks. Again, we all know people who are a few microns off bubble, but we haven't done anything about it. They might even own guns. There are probably people on this forum who we wouldn't be shocked to learn they killed a few people in a fit of rage. Yet here we are, poking the bear.

Well, we could try to address it and start somewhere. But if we do nothing, we can't really expect different results.

[ElNono]

It's very simple to create a sear and modify a receiver to full auto. The full auto sear (transferable) is already very expensive because they are not being manufactured for sale to the public since 1986. So then a full auto that's legal to own is very expensive, but not because it's not been fired. Most of these guns get fired all the time. It's because of the little registration number on the small piece of metal in the receiver that allows someone to build a gun around it over and over. Otherwise the 20,000 dollar Colt M16 is no different than an AR-15 that costs 800.00 at a sporting goods store.

Again, learn about it first, talk about it second. Stop proposing solutions when you don't understand the concept in the 1st place. Just say guns are bad, like the liberal women do, and sit down.

This is what pgardn was talking about, which is technology advances.

Can't address the problem from there, the cat is out of the bag, and the tech is cheap. It's like nuclear power, bombs, etc. Eventually, the tech isn't sophisticated/expensive enough, and you're going to have to address it in some other way.

[Th'Pusher]

This is what pgardn was talking about, which is technology advances.

Can't address the problem from there, the cat is out of the bag, and the tech is cheap. It's like nuclear power, bombs, etc. Eventually, the tech isn't sophisticated/expensive enough, and you're going to have to address it in some other way.

See DMC. I told you that it was just you who didn't get pgrdn's point.

[pgardn]

This is what pgardn was talking about, which is technology advances.

Can't address the problem from there, the cat is out of the bag, and the tech is cheap. It's like nuclear power, bombs, etc. Eventually, the tech isn't sophisticated/expensive enough, and you're going to have to address it in some other way.

He did not understand.
Bad wording on my part.

If you could explain it again maybe.

[Spurminator]

Yeah, you are all so misunderstood.

Scenario:

1. Fully automatic weapon (you said nope)
2. Non-auto weapon (you said nope)

You obviously think a bump fire stock is part of the gun. They aren't. Just an FYI. It's an accessory.

You're the one inserting full-auto vs non-auto into the discussion. I said "capable of mowing down dozens of people." I'm sure the artillery enthusiasts would be able to determine where all of the various weapons and accessories fall on the kill-many-people-quickly spectrum.

[whitemamba]

The colorful people have had since the dawn of mankind to do something about yet here we are.

Hard to breathe with a rope around your neck. It’s only a matter of time tbh..

Full retard.

:lol mental health

[RandomGuy]

So then any gun that fires a projectile with enough KE to kill a human should be cost prohibitive?

Yup. Licensing, waiting periods, mental health tests.

Repeal the 2nd amendment. Owning a gun should be a privilege and a narrow one at that.

Not that I think any of that is going to happen. We have a worship of guns in this country that is religious in its zeal, and a very effective gun industry lobbying effort.

[boutons_deux]

"Owning a gun should be a privilege"

and expensive, heavily regulated, liability insurance, national database of guns and owners, ownership/sales transfer fees, and severe penalties for violations, including destruction of guns and prison, and esp for losing a gun or gun used in crime or by non-owners to hurt or kill.

[Blake]

I'm still wondering why semi auto guns are made legal for the general populace

[Chucho]

"Owning a gun should be a privilege"

and expensive, heavily regulated, liability insurance, national database of guns and owners, ownership/sales transfer fees, and severe penalties for violations, including destruction of guns and prison, and esp for losing a gun or gun used in crime or by non-owners to hurt or kill.





90% of the black population in Chicago will be in the clink next year if this happened. Would continue the history of masterhood of the black race by the DemoKKKrats. Good work.

[boutons_deux]

I'm still wondering why semi auto guns are made legal for the general populace

BigGun paid for enabling such weapons.

[SnakeBoy]

Yup. Licensing, waiting periods, mental health tests.

Repeal the 2nd amendment. Owning a gun should be a privilege and a narrow one at that.

Not that I think any of that is going to happen. We have a worship of guns in this country that is religious in its zeal, and a very effective gun industry lobbying effort.

Good luck with that. I predict it will happen right after you get single payer healthcare.

[spurraider21]

I'm still wondering why semi auto guns are made legal for the general populace
How else is Bubba supposed to fight off the US military?

[DMC]

How else is Bubba supposed to fight off the US military?

Bubba is the US Military

[DMC]

You're the one inserting full-auto vs non-auto into the discussion. I said "capable of mowing down dozens of people." I'm sure the artillery enthusiasts would be able to determine where all of the various weapons and accessories fall on the kill-many-people-quickly spectrum.

Accessories cannot mow down people. Artillery? lol

Ban howitzers!

[DMC]

Yup. Licensing, waiting periods, mental health tests.

Repeal the 2nd amendment. Owning a gun should be a privilege and a narrow one at that.

Not that I think any of that is going to happen. We have a worship of guns in this country that is religious in its zeal, and a very effective gun industry lobbying effort.

You skipped the confiscation and home invasion part that also does away with several other amendments.

[Spurminator]

Accessories cannot mow down people. Artillery? lol

Ban howitzers!

More lazy NRA semantics strategy. "lol accessories don't kill people, people kill people." Most of us advanced past that level of argument in high school debate class.

Progress starts with setting an objective. We don't have to have the entirety of gun legislation written to have a discussion on where we need to go with gun control. Step one is agreeing it is too easy and cheap to acquire weapons that make it easy to shoot a lot of people in a short amount of time.

There are weapons and weapon+accessory combinations on the market that can kill a lot of people very quickly. We both know this. Defining "a lot of people" and "a short amount of time" is step 2.

[Blake]

Yeah but they if they don't have guns they'll just use trucks or poison or really sharp tree branches

[TSA]

I'm still wondering why semi auto guns are made legal for the general populace

Because we don’t live in the 1800’s

[Spurtacular]

Hard to breathe with a rope around your neck. It’s only a matter of time tbh..


:lol mental health

Fantasy land / trolling, tbh. Not even bothered.