I can no longer Enjoy the NBA....Who else is in the same boat?

[apalisoc_9]

This is probably it from me as an NBA fan. The culture in the NBA from media and players have deteorirated to a point. Everyone is fake. I still keep an eye on Kawhi, TP, and would probably smile if Lebron ever breaks the MJ Ghost.

Make no Mistake, the NBA is at its most talented era ever. But NBA culuture in general is out of and hand and toxic...

I actually even watched lardball finals over a basketball game just to try something new.

Hopefully I find a new 2nd sport because Im done with the NBA...

Good Luck to Kawhi, TP and Enjoy your retirement Manu. Thanks for the memories.

PS. Popvich is the fakest liberal ever. Stop talking about trump you closest racist.

[Darth_Pelican]

Well there’s always povertyball.

[offset formation]

Why would you keep an eye on Kawhi? Haven't your sources informed you he's out. But good news, those sources said he was going to be playing already. So once we work out the fuckup in spacetime, your sources will be right, and you'll get to see Kawhi play.

Good riddance, asshat.

[Mitch]

What culture? The NBA lacks any culture at the moment, just like how Kawhi lacks any intelligence or personality.

[Spurtacular]

Make no Mistake, the NBA is at its most talented era ever.


PS. Popvich is the fakest liberal ever. Stop talking about trump you closest racist.

:lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKb8Dpwyloc

[JohnnyMax]

Apalisoc_9 is depressed about Cavs sucking

[midnightpulp]

I solved this problem by just enjoying the Spurs over the league. I no longer really follow teams nor care about what other teams are doing aside from the Spurs and maybe the Lakers for trolling purposes. I dislike NBA culture, as well, but from the standpoint on how the league relentlessly and artificially markets itself via social media, looking for any silly storyline to push. The LaVar Ball issue that dominated the NBA headlines this summer was an embarrassment.

As far as the on court product goes, I have to disagree the league is the most talented it's ever been. The modern rule changes have created that illusion. The spacing players have to work with is just ridiculous (we've already seen two near 60 point games, and we're barely 10 games into the season). Post-play is going extinct (league wide, it's averaging about .80 PPP, simply terrible. Compare post-play efficiency to off-screen), the dribble-drive game is less interesting because of that spacing, and shooting (the least entertaining and interesting skill in basketball) dominates the game.

Good for casuals, though. Like I said, NBA found its casual friendly formula that meshes well with social media. Just have to accept it.

[Pavlov]

https://i.imgur.com/VvasDnm.gif

[Arcadian]

I still enjoy it, but not as much as 10 years ago. But that's probably because my favorite team was in the midst of a dynasty and my favorite athlete in his prime.

But at the end of the day, I still love me some NBA. Every night, I'm checking League Pass for close contests and interesting matchups. I'm enjoying being an adult and being able to afford streaming all the games all the time, so I make the most of it and try to enjoy as much as I can.

I hate the Warriors as much as the next guy, but I'm not letting them ruin basketball for me. Fuck that. There's still a good amount of stylistic diversity across teams. Some teams I enjoy watching more than others. Just tonight I was watching the Pelicans and enjoyed seeing Davis and Cousins combine for about 70 points, 30 boards, and 10 assists. I was thinking this has to be one of the best twin tower combos of all time.

And the Spurs are still good. Still making deep playoff runs every year, and still have a top 3 player on earth (even if he's currently out). So...nah, I'm good.

[ElNono]

can OP still enjoy his aunt tho?

[Brazil]

I solved this problem by just enjoying the Spurs over the league. I no longer really follow teams nor care about what other teams are doing aside from the Spurs and maybe the Lakers for trolling purposes. I dislike NBA culture, as well, but from the standpoint on how the league relentlessly and artificially markets itself via social media, looking for any silly storyline to push. The LaVar Ball issue that dominated the NBA headlines this summer was an embarrassment.

As far as the on court product goes, I have to disagree the league is the most talented it's ever been. The modern rule changes have created that illusion. The spacing players have to work with is just ridiculous (we've already seen two near 60 point games, and we're barely 10 games into the season). Post-play is going extinct (league wide, it's averaging about .80 PPP, simply terrible. Compare post-play efficiency to off-screen), the dribble-drive game is less interesting because of that spacing, and shooting (the least entertaining and interesting skill in basketball) dominates the game.

Good for casuals, though. Like I said, NBA found its casual friendly formula that meshes well with social media. Just have to accept it.

could not agree more with that tbh...

:tu

[lefty]

midnightpulp :tu

(still lol beisbol)

[MultiTroll]

2014 it dieded

[Clipper Nation]

What culture? The NBA lacks any culture at the moment, just like how Kawhi lacks any intelligence or personality.
It's a culture, dictated by Media, where every excuse in the book is made for Durbeta and the Warriors making the weakest and most anti-competitive move in league history while actually competitive stars like LeBron and Westbrook are nitpicked on everything. A culture where Frauden and CP0 are held up as the ideal players. A culture where the league and Media still can't get Jordan's dick out of their mouths, over a decade after he finally retired and almost 20 years since the last time he was any good.

There's a ton of talent in this era, probably more than any other era. It's just being ruined by Media and the Warriors.

[140]

It's a culture, dictated by Media, where every excuse in the book is made for Durbeta and the Warriors making the weakest and most anti-competitive move in league history while actually competitive stars like LeBron and Westbrook are nitpicked on everything. A culture where Frauden and CP0 are held up as the ideal players. A culture where the league and Media still can't get Jordan's dick out of their mouths, over a decade after he finally retired and almost 20 years since the last time he was any good.

There's a ton of talent in this era, probably more than any other era. It's just being ruined by Media and the Warriors.
:lol today's NBA

[Silver&Black]

can OP still enjoy his aunt tho?

:tu Thanksgiving and Christmas coming up.

Maybe he can post some more pics, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

And the Spurs are still good. Still making deep playoff runs every year, and still have a top 3 player on earth (even if he's currently out). So...nah, I'm good.

Not enough for today's player fan, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

There's a ton of talent in this era, probably more than any other era. It's just being ruined by Media and the Warriors.

86 Celtics would crush this era.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The game is marketed primarily to dindus, who--as any business model will show--aren't paying customers. It's just going to continue to deteriorate.

OP is right about Pop, though...he's about as fake as they come but he's also no dummy. He understands the politics of putting up a liberal facade, but behind closed doors has zero tolerance for outspoken blacks--which has proven to be an exceptional business model. Belichick does the same.

[lefty20]

I only watch(and enjoy doing so) the Spurs. Box scores and the occasional highlights only for all other teams, fuck them all.

[Mr. Body]

This isn't the most talented era of NBA basketball. C'mon, that's stupid.

But Durant fucked everything. His beta, mincing self-shipment to GSW fucked everything up. I've never seen a less competitive act, nor heard of one.

[Down Under]

I would say it is the most talented era, because the ball movement & passing is so much better (even with the increased spacing) including long guys (6'10") & over who are outstanding passes and ball handlers for their size, along with better shooters. That said I really miss the post game - the footwork, craftiness, touch around the hoop etc.

[midnightpulp]

I would say it is the most talented era, because the ball movement & passing is so much better (even with the increased spacing) including long guys (6'10") & over who are outstanding passes and ball handlers for their size, along with better shooters. That said I really miss the post game - the footwork, craftiness, touch around the hoop etc.

That's one of my main issues. It's nice to have the one-in-a-gen Dirks and Kristaps who play more like 7 foot SGs than anything else, but overall, I like when bigs play like bigs. Now you have DeMarcus Cousins shooting 8 threes per game. This is the "positionless basketball" future that everyone was talking about a couple of years back, and while the term sounds nice and infers players from 1 through 5 being "complete basketball players," what it really means is every player on the court playing like a guard. Someone like Shaq wouldn't work in today's game. He might average a nice PPG, but he would get murdered on p'n'rs and be too much of a ball stopper down low to build a modern offense around. Basketball was/is the sport where a unique athlete like Shaq could exist. That's over now.

And think about if Hakeem was born in 1996. He would be a stretch big shooter today (probably in the vein of Porzingis) rather than the artistic low-post player he was.

[midnightpulp]

lefty

http://i42.tinypic.com/iyg75e.gif

vs.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1917323/gortatdreamshake.gif

[Down Under]

Even though it would be great to have the post players back, most weren't overly polished. To me, Duncan, Olajuwon & McHale were the only 3 low post gurus. Shaq didn't really have any moves - just back guys down, pivot & dunk over them, despite being an impressive athlete for his size. Ewing only had the 1 handed turnaround jumper. D-Rob was a face up big. Mourning had a couple of moves but not too many. Brad Daugherty was ok, but slow motion.

[midnightpulp]

Even though it would be great to have the post players back, most weren't overly polished. To me, Duncan, Olajuwon & McHale were the only 3 low post gurus. Shaq didn't really have any moves - just back guys down, pivot & dunk over them, despite being an impressive athlete for his size. Ewing only had the 1 handed turnaround jumper. D-Rob was a face up big. Mourning had a couple of moves but not too many. Brad Daugherty was ok, but slow motion.

Shaq had nice footwork and was an excellent passer from the low post. He wasn't as varied as Dream, Duncan, etc, but he's still miles ahead in that regard to most modern bigs. Gasol, also fantastic in the post. Marc was on his way, but tweaked his game as the NBA moved into pace-and-space. Robinson and Ewing were face up bigs indeed, but at least they weren't out there shooting 3s.

Reason I fight for post-play is because it's the most difficult skill to learn and difficult tasks should be rewarded the most (remember how pretty much every NBA champion from the 80's until 2010ish would have top low post players. Kareem, McHale, Bird (no slouch in the post), Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Gasol).


Just about everyone agrees that fewer players are entering the league with any clue of how to operate with their back to the basket. “There are maybe two handfuls of guys who can post up anymore,” Kidd says. Players who don’t learn post skills at a lower level won’t get the leeway or practice time to develop them in the NBA, coaches say. “It’s probably the hardest part of offense to get good at,” says Steve Clifford, the Hornets coach.

[Down Under]

Shaq had nice footwork and was an excellent passer from the low post. He wasn't as varied as Dream, Duncan, etc, but he's still miles ahead in that regard to most modern bigs. Gasol, also fantastic in the post. Marc was on his way, but tweaked his game as the NBA moved into pace-and-space. Robinson and Ewing were face up bigs indeed, but at least they weren't out there shooting 3s.

Reason I fight for post-play is because it's the most difficult skill to learn and difficult tasks should be rewarded the most (remember how pretty much every NBA champion from the 80's until 2010ish would have top low post players. Kareem, McHale, Bird (no slouch in the post), Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Gasol).
Yeah that's true. Guys should learn basic moves when they have mismatches even today though. You don't need a heap of moves then counter moves. A couple of back downs & a drop step would be one, and a baby hook in the lane would be another.

[UZER]

This isn't the most talented era of NBA basketball. C'mon, that's stupid.

But Durant fucked everything. His beta, mincing self-shipment to GSW fucked everything up. I've never seen a less competitive act, nor heard of one.

Teams were catching up to the warriors. Hell, the cavs beat them. Then Durant went and fucked it all up because he's a pussy.

[lefty]

lefty

http://i42.tinypic.com/iyg75e.gif

vs.

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1917323/gortatdreamshake.gif

:lmao

[Killakobe81]

I solved this problem by just enjoying the Spurs over the league. I no longer really follow teams nor care about what other teams are doing aside from the Spurs and maybe the Lakers for trolling purposes. I dislike NBA culture, as well, but from the standpoint on how the league relentlessly and artificially markets itself via social media, looking for any silly storyline to push. The LaVar Ball issue that dominated the NBA headlines this summer was an embarrassment.

As far as the on court product goes, I have to disagree the league is the most talented it's ever been. The modern rule changes have created that illusion. The spacing players have to work with is just ridiculous (we've already seen two near 60 point games, and we're barely 10 games into the season). Post-play is going extinct (league wide, it's averaging about .80 PPP, simply terrible. Compare post-play efficiency to off-screen), the dribble-drive game is less interesting because of that spacing, and shooting (the least entertaining and interesting skill in basketball) dominates the game.

Good for casuals, though. Like I said, NBA found its casual friendly formula that meshes well with social media. Just have to accept it.

valid criticisms ...
NBA just mirroring current trash culture ...
Lavar just following Kardashian blueprint...
Pop was always liberal Trump just made it cool for him to bash him publicly even in a Rep state like Texas ...funny thing im sure his owner doesnt like it probably not even the GM but Pop is bigger than both do they cant do shit about it ...

[Killakobe81]

Shaq had nice footwork and was an excellent passer from the low post. He wasn't as varied as Dream, Duncan, etc, but he's still miles ahead in that regard to most modern bigs. Gasol, also fantastic in the post. Marc was on his way, but tweaked his game as the NBA moved into pace-and-space. Robinson and Ewing were face up bigs indeed, but at least they weren't out there shooting 3s.

Reason I fight for post-play is because it's the most difficult skill to learn and difficult tasks should be rewarded the most (remember how pretty much every NBA champion from the 80's until 2010ish would have top low post players. Kareem, McHale, Bird (no slouch in the post), Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Gasol).

Magic learning hooks though nowhere as good as the guys you mentioned ...was key to Lakers run. Worthy also had a great post game but relied more on speed ...but his baseline spin was filthy. Aguirre, Dantley and pre injury Brad Daugherty alsi had nice post games ...for all the flack he gets david Robinson was like worthy on steroids with the first step and quick drop step baseline ..he just lacked counters that hakeem and Mchale had ..

[StrengthAndHonor]

I survived the worst era in basketball (94-99) So anything compared to that is wonderful and marvelous :lol

[Killakobe81]

I survived the worst era in basketball (94-99) So anything compared to that is wonderful and marvelous :lol

fair point ...

[StrengthAndHonor]

fair point ...
Man, I’m telling you, and this was before I became a full-fledged Clippers fan, the NBA was a snore fest :lol


I can only name 3 notable occurrences in that time frame. Jordan, Shaq’s dominance and the Clippers drafting Lamar Odom and Olowokandi lol.

[Spurtacular]

I survived the worst era in basketball (94-99) So anything compared to that is wonderful and marvelous :lol

:lol

[DMC]

Kevin Durant did what ever he wanted. That's fine. The league needs to get better or contract, because 80 - 85% of the product is pure garbage.

[webshad]

I agree with OP. Over the years, NBA is getting more and more annoying. They are desperately trying to push a new star now because Lebron is past his peak, they are desperately promoting gayness, they are calling ridiculous fouls, and I can go on. It's the same thing every year over and over and over again.

I honestly leave the night game in the background and do my work or study physics/math etc.

I am also trying something new, I leave all the Saturday soccer game in the background while I do my house and garage chores.

Then... again BOXING is awesome now :) Danny Jacobs vs Arias tomorrow should be entertaining.

[dfens]

I survived the worst era in basketball (94-99) So anything compared to that is wonderful and marvelous :lol

son that was a fun era tbh, I mean the 3 wasn't what it is now, but games had a much better variety of offense and defense. Also a lot of mano-a-mano games :lol

[Mark Celibate]

meh, my interest varies season by season and it basically just boils down to a combination of two things

1) How the Mavs are doing

2) Are there any new teams that actually have a chance and how many of them are there?

1 is pretty self explanatory. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to watch game after game of a team that's headed straight for the lottery. I'll tune in much more if they're actually a title contender.

But even then, I can still appreciate the NBA regardless which brings me to 2). It's always more fun to follow a season when a new contender shows up. (i.e. 03-04 Pistons, 04-05 Sonics/Suns, 07-08 Lakers/Celtics, 10-11 Heat/Thunder, 14-15 Warriors, etc). The seasons where it's like the 2nd or 3rd year in a row of the same old stacked teams duking it out is when it becomes a lull to me. ala this season, and I won't really get excited again until some other team not named Cavs/Warriors/*Spurs emerges as a legit threat.

since 1) and 2) are in effect, this season will consist of watching a few highlight videos on YouTube and that will be it tbh

None of this is taking into account the fact that I've generally given less and less of a shit about sports as I've gotten older

*I don't really think the Spurs are legit contenders but it won't be that exciting if they all of a sudden become one since they've been in the picture the last 20 years

[DAF86]

meh, my interest varies season by season and it basically just boils down to a combination of two things

1) How the Mavs are doing

2) Are there any new teams that actually have a chance and how many of them are there?

1 is pretty self explanatory. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to watch game after game of a team that's headed straight for the lottery. I'll tune in much more if they're actually a title contender.

But even then, I can still appreciate the NBA regardless which brings me to 2). It's always more fun to follow a season when a new contender shows up. (i.e. 03-04 Pistons, 04-05 Sonics/Suns, 07-08 Lakers/Celtics, 10-11 Heat/Thunder, 14-15 Warriors, etc). The seasons where it's like the 2nd or 3rd year in a row of the same old stacked teams duking it out is when it becomes a lull to me. ala this season, and I won't really get excited again until some other team not named Cavs/Warriors/*Spurs emerges as a legit threat.

since 1) and 2) are in effect, this season will consist of watching a few highlight videos on YouTube and that will be it tbh

None of this is taking into account the fact that I've generally given less and less of a shit about sports as I've gotten older

*I don't really think the Spurs are legit contenders but it won't be that exciting if they all of a sudden become one since they've been in the picture the last 20 years

Not excited to watch the rookie play?

[Mark Celibate]

Not excited to watch the rookie play?

YouTube, brah

tbh there's that Ximo guy on there who uploads 10 min highlights of games which is perfect for the lazy many like myself.

In all seriousness, I like Smith since he's not a knucklehead but it will probably take two more years of lottery picks before I seriously consider following closely again. I'm not one those ":cry I'm only watching to see Dirk's last years :cry" fanboys either. Dude's pretty unentertaining these days. Can shoot pretty well but can't do anything else tbh.

[Arcadian]

I survived the worst era in basketball (94-99) So anything compared to that is wonderful and marvelous :lol

That period was fantastic for individual talent. Between Jordan, Robinson, Olajuwon, Ewing, Shaq, Barkley, and Karl Mal:lolne, you had at least 7 of the top 25 players in history.

[daslicer]

That period was fantastic for individual talent. Between Jordan, Robinson, Olajuwon, Ewing, Shaq, Barkley, and Karl Mal:lolne, you had at least 7 of the top 25 players in history.

You also had guys like Penny,LJ,Kemp who could have been top 50 players had they not suffered from injuries and in Kemp's case drug addiction. Second Tier talent like Miller,G.Rice, Mutumbo, Mourning was also pretty good back then. In today's league they would be first tier stars.

[Arcadian]

You also had guys like Penny,LJ,Kemp who could have been top 50 players had they not suffered from injuries and in Kemp's case drug addiction. Second Tier talent like Miller,G.Rice, Mutumbo, Mourning was also pretty good back then. In today's league they would be first tier stars.

Agreed. Totally forgot about Zo with Charlotte. 90s talent >>> current talent.

[daslicer]

Agreed. Totally forgot about Zo with Charlotte. 90s talent >>> current talent.

Its ridiculous especially when you look at even a third tier star like Vlade Divac. He probably would be a top 5 center in today's league.

[Arcadian]

Its ridiculous especially when you look at even a third tier star like Vlade Divac. He probably would be a top 5 center in today's league.

Yeah, and Arvydas Sabonis!

[Killakobe81]

That period was fantastic for individual talent. Between Jordan, Robinson, Olajuwon, Ewing, Shaq, Barkley, and Karl Mal:lolne, you had at least 7 of the top 25 players in history.

great talent but sone of the teams like Fratello cavs were boring as fuck

[lefty]

You also had guys like Penny,LJ,Kemp who could have been top 50 players had they not suffered from injuries and in Kemp's case drug addiction. Second Tier talent like Miller,G.Rice, Mutumbo, Mourning was also pretty good back then. In today's league they would be first tier stars.

Ah Penny and Kemp what could have been.

Also that short lived rivalry between Orlando and Charlotte was cool, both teams also nice pinstripe jerseys

[LkrFan]

I was at the Lakers vs Wizzards game. I thought we were playing the 2012 OKC Thunder. They got all the calls :lol

[daslicer]

great talent but sone of the teams like Fratello cavs were boring as fuck

The Fratello cavs were awful to watch. I remember their strategy was to waste time on the shot clock on every possession.

[lefty]

The Fratello cavs were awful to watch. I remember their strategy was to waste time on the shot clock on every possession.

Yup.
He didn't have the same offensive firepower Wilkens had at his disposal so he had to use det clock. :lol

But back when he was coaching Atlanta, his team pushed the ball

[TD 21]

Hasn't been the same since the '14 championship. Briefly harkened back when Spurs signed Aldridge, before realizing too many of the old guys had declined too much and Warriors had ascended too much for it to matter. Last year or so, for the first and only time in my 20 years following it, have had trouble maintaining interest throughout many games.

The homogenized style of play and combination of antiquated, loud mouth talking heads who act as if it's a soap opera and the arrogant, hipster Lowe wannabe's, who admonish anything that isn't an iteration of their precious Warriors, have made it mostly sickening to listen to, read or watch.

[daslicer]

Hasn't been the same since the '14 championship. Briefly harkened back when Spurs signed Aldridge, before realizing too many of the old guys had declined too much and Warriors had ascended too much for it to matter. Last year or so, for the first and only time in my 20 years following it, have had trouble maintaining interest throughout many games.

The homogenized style of play and combination of antiquated, loud mouth talking heads who act as if it's a soap opera and the arrogant, hipster Lowe wannabe's, who admonish anything that isn't an iteration of their precious Warriors, have made it mostly sickening to listen to, read or watch.

Pretty much this. I have found the last two years the media and the league have hyped up certain players to create a diversion for casual fans to hide that there is zero competition in the league right now for the Warriors. Last year it was non-stop slobbering all over Westbrook. This year they are slobbering all over Giannis granted I actually respect his game unlike Westbrook.

[jbspurs]

Battle of dominant bigs inside the paint no longer exist. It was fun to watch Ewing, Olajuwon, Shaq, Sabonis, Yao, Duncan, Robinson, Webber, Malone, Mourning...inside the paint. Now, its all outside shooting. It's fun to watch when they're knocking it down. It's ugly when its not going in. Also, the dotted line lessen the in your face dunks, which is exciting to watch.

[lefty]

Even when they are knocking down their 3s it's boring as fuck

[daslicer]

Even when they are knocking down their 3s it's boring as fuck

For year I have hated college basketball because it was just bunch of 3 point chucking due to the short line. The NBA has now evolved into that style of play.

[BD24]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out faggot.

[Seventyniner]

Kirk Goldsberry talked about this a while back.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/is-it-time-to-move-the-nba-3-point-line-back/

His main ideas were to move the 3-point line back to 25 feet or get rid of corner threes by changing the line's shape like this:

http://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/nocorner3s_1152.jpg?w=694&h=493
I would say: why not both? You could easily cover the entire three-point line with 4 defenders if it was this shape, and could cover nearly all of it with 3.

[Ice009]

Magic learning hooks though nowhere as good as the guys you mentioned ...was key to Lakers run. Worthy also had a great post game but relied more on speed ...but his baseline spin was filthy. Aguirre, Dantley and pre injury Brad Daugherty alsi had nice post games ...for all the flack he gets david Robinson was like worthy on steroids with the first step and quick drop step baseline ..he just lacked counters that hakeem and Mchale had ..

How good was Daugherty? I've always wondered about that guy, never really got to see him play. Was his post game polished? How was he speed wise? Defense?


Also, the dotted line lessen the in your face dunks, which is exciting to watch.

What do you mean about the dotted line? Was there no dotted line before?

[lefty]

Daughterty had a good post up game and a good hook shot, but he was a geeat passer too.

[ambchang]

Daugherty is very much like Aldridge with a better passing game. Aldridge has a better mid range shot, and a better ball handler, both are soft.

[UZER]

Daugherty is very much like Aldridge with a better passing game. Aldridge has a better mid range shot, and a better ball handler, both are soft.

When Duncan came into the league, a small part of me was worried his peak level would be Brad Daugherty because at time, they're highlights look similar.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Brad was slow man, he’s more like Hibbert.

[ambchang]

Brad was slow man, he’s more like Hibbert.

Brad wasn’t much slower than Aldridge. Both of them use their lower base well to their advantage.

On d, Brad has nothing other than rebounds. He couldn’t block, not that great on rotations.

Those worries with Daugherty was really unnecessary. Duncan was much quicker during his young days, clearly better as a defender, the only similarity is the that both of them do not have an above the rim game but even then Duncan was way more athletic than Daugherty ever was.

Those Daugherty price nance Williams cavs would have won 4 straight titles I today’s ultra soft league. Price would win 6 MVPs in a roll and should get a couple of fmvps.

[StrengthAndHonor]

I love Mark Price but yeah, no, sorry. That Cavs team would have no chance in today’s NBA.

[jbspurs]

How good was Daugherty? I've always wondered about that guy, never really got to see him play. Was his post game polished? How was he speed wise? Defense?



What do you mean about the dotted line? Was there no dotted line before?


It's the line inside the paint. It's for defensive player advantage, if defensive player is outside then it's almost automatic you get an offensive foul. Behind the line, it's defensive foul. Yes, there was no dotted line back then.

Just noticed, it's no longer dotted..

[Spurtacular]

I love Mark Price but yeah, no, sorry. That Cavs team would have no chance in today’s NBA.

Disagree. Today's league is soft. In 91, they eliminated a C's team that I think would've won the title with better health.