Pau vs. Dedmon through 11 games

[buttsR4rebounding]

Pretty comparable actually

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Min Pts....FG%..3% FT% Reb Ass St BLK TO PER

Pau Gasol......... 25.2 10.3 48.9 40.0 71 8.2 3.6 .2 1.6 1.7 17.3

Wayne Dedmon 24.9 9.5 53.0 38.5 86 7.9 1.0 .3 .9 1.4 14.5


Interestingly, for everyone who says Pau doesn't protect the rim he is blocking shots at almost twice the rate Dedmon is. Of course, Dedmon is being paid about half of what Pau is.

[Blake]

Wait, Dedmon is shooting 3s?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Wait, Dedmon is shooting 3s?

Yeah, Pop was obviously holding him back.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dedmon was never a good shot blocker and he's a horrendous post defender. He can rebound though.

[cd021]

Dedmon was never a good shot blocker and he's a horrendous post defender. He can rebound though.

Shot blocking and rim protection aren't necessarily the same thing, Ddmon was a good rim protector. Gasol is both.

[cd021]

Gasol, btw, since that @ Indiana game has been playing much better.

[DAF86]

Gasol, btw, since that @ Indiana game has been playing much better.

He has been playing point center, tbh.

I like Gasol, my problem with him is his contract. If he would be making 8 millions per year I wouldn't complain.

[gospursgojas]

Pretty comparable actually



Except for this:
Salary
Dedmon: 6,000,000
Gasol: 16,000,000

:shootme

[bklynspursfan]

People tend to freak out if guys play like crap or seem rusty out of the gate, not realizing it takes time for some guys to get into a good rhythm and back in basketball shape. No matter how many practices/scrimmages you run, it aint the same as the real thing.

Not to mention it started a bit earlier this year. Pau will be frustrating at times, but he definitely can help this team in several areas. I'm glad he's had a few good games lately, hopefully it continues. Mainly the blocking/3 point shooting

[DAF86]

People tend to freak out if guys play like crap or seem rusty out of the gate, not realizing it takes time for some guys to get into a good rhythm and back in basketball shape. No matter how many practices/scrimmages you run, it aint the same as the real thing.

Not to mention it started a bit earlier this year. Pau will be frustrating at times, but he definitely can help this team in several areas. I'm glad he's had a few good games lately, hopefully it continues. Mainly the blocking/3 point shooting

Everybody agrees Pau can help the team. In fact, right now he's probably the best playmaker he have alongside Manu. The problem with Pau is his contract. He isn't worth 16 million per year for the next three years, tbh.

[bklynspursfan]

Everybody agrees Pau can help the team. In fact, right now he's probably the best playmaker he have alongside Manu. The problem with Pau is his contract. He isn't worth 16 million per year for the next three years, tbh.

It's def not a great contract :/

I just meant people were crapping on the dude early on for his poor play overall. Maybe his contract + poor play factored in (like Patty) without realizing there tends to be a rust factor with lots of guys to start

[Seventyniner]

It's def not a great contract :/

I just meant people were crapping on the dude early on for his poor play overall. Maybe his contract + poor play factored in (like Patty) without realizing there tends to be a rust factor with lots of guys to start

At this point the contract is a sunk cost. All the complaining in the world won't change it.

It's better for Pau to play well than poorly regardless of his contract.

[Phenomanul]

I expect Pau's numbers to be more efficient once Kawhi comes back and starts commanding double teams.

[SAGirl]

Gasol, btw, since that @ Indiana game has been playing much better.
He definitely has been much better. No complaints about Gasol lately.

[SAGirl]

It's def not a great contract :/

I just meant people were crapping on the dude early on for his poor play overall. Maybe his contract + poor play factored in (like Patty) without realizing there tends to be a rust factor with lots of guys to start

Patty has been pretty awful with the exception of the game b4 last tbh. He's got to keep shooting etc... but he definitely is way way way overpaid. Pau lately has been among the team's best players. His rim protection is underrated bc he gets burned in space sometimes, but he contests really well at the rim and is a factor for the team defense. He's shooting much better, he creates for teammates etc. Statistically, Lamarcus, Pau and Rudy are currently the team's best players. Mills has been the worst rotation player.

[TimDunkem]

My issue with Pau other than the contract is that he's likely to run out of gas when it counts. The guy is ancient.

[Play Boban]

Pretty comparable actually

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Min Pts....FG%..3% FT% Reb Ass St BLK TO PER

Pau Gasol......... 25.2 10.3 48.9 40.0 71 8.2 3.6 .2 1.6 1.7 17.3

Wayne Dedmon 24.9 9.5 53.0 38.5 86 7.9 1.0 .3 .9 1.4 14.5


Interestingly, for everyone who says Pau doesn't protect the rim he is blocking shots at almost twice the rate Dedmon is. Of course, Dedmon is being paid about half of what Pau is.

:cry

[tbdog]

My issue with Pau other than the contract is that he's likely to run out of gas when it counts. The guy is ancient.

Dedmon isn't exactly a fit guy and he wouldn't play big mins due to dumb fouls. Also despite Dedmon shooting better from outside, defenders respect Gasol more and it opens things up. Manu and Gasol's pick n roll last night was deadly last match.

[Russ]

Amazing that Pau has two rings and Dedmon zero -- a statistical anomaly no doubt.

[Chinook]

My issue with Pau other than the contract is that he's likely to run out of gas when it counts. The guy is ancient.

With the way Pop has embraced small-ball, I don't think it's dire. Right now with the injuries, everyone is higher in the hierarchy and playing bigger minutes that they will hopefully be doing after the new year.

[Chinook]

Amazing that Pau has two rings and Dedmon zero -- a statistical anomaly no doubt.

Dewayne was a dumb decision away from having one much earlier in his career than Gasol.

[Mr. Body]

Gasol is one of the smartest players in the league. I get the gripes about his contract, but this team couldn't use Dedmon. We actually want to compete for something important. Atlanta doesn't.

[Chinook]

Pau's problem is that he's either lazy or old. He doesn't bring effort a lot of the time, and that could be because he knows he can't play that way for more than a few minutes. If Pau were FIBA Pau all the time, he'd be worth his money, and the team would be a great position.

[cjw]

Pau's problem is that he's either lazy or old. He doesn't bring effort a lot of the time, and that could be because he knows he can't play that way for more than a few minutes. If Pau were FIBA Pau all the time, he'd be worth his money, and the team would be a great position.

Probably coasting to save something for down the stretch. Long season and his minutes/responsibility are not only up because of the Kawhi injury, but also the Lauvergne injury. Come Friday, we'll get a fresher Pau and Aldridge.

Then add Kawhi, Joffrey and Parker all returning and the rotation suddenly looks a lot different. Some minutes are reduced while others are eliminated ... probably about 65-70 minutes in total (35ish Kawhi, 20ish Parker and 10ish Joffrey).

In the meantime, it's great to get Murray, Anderson and Paul additional reps and even some Forbes (if he's gonna stick).

[duncan2k5]

Probably coasting to save something for down the stretch. Long season and his minutes/responsibility are not only up because of the Kawhi injury, but also the Lauvergne injury. Come Friday, we'll get a fresher Pau and Aldridge.

Then add Kawhi, Joffrey and Parker all returning and the rotation suddenly looks a lot different. Some minutes are reduced while others are eliminated ... probably about 65-70 minutes in total (35ish Kawhi, 20ish Parker and 10ish Joffrey).

In the meantime, it's great to get Murray, Anderson and Paul additional reps and even some Forbes (if he's gonna stick).

Coasting? He didn't have a good postseason... And he is older now... He will be worse

[duncan2k5]

The spurs were vastly better with Dedmon starting last year over Gasol... What the numbers don't show is the amount of shots Gasol allows simply because he doesn't want to play defense, the offensive rebounds he allows, and the horrible pick and roll defense

[duncan2k5]

Sean Bradley had great shot blocking numbers, but he was still a trash defender and overall player

[lilbthebasedgod]

The spurs were vastly better with Dedmon starting last year over Gasol... What the numbers don't show is the amount of shots Gasol allows simply because he doesn't want to play defense, the offensive rebounds he allows, and the horrible pick and roll defense

Stats do show those things

[duncan2k5]

Stats do show those things

And they would show Dedmon is better than Gasol on defense... In similar situations with the same players, our defense was MUCH better (went to best in the league) with Dedmon starting

[sasaint]

He definitely has been much better. No complaints about Gasol lately.

I wish he would cut down the unforced turnovers. That's my complaint.

[SAGirl]

I wish he would cut down the unforced turnovers. That's my complaint.
yup.. and they usually happen at times he's passive. Sometimes he has enough separation for a jumpshot bc his defender is defending against the pass and sagging and he still wants to jam the ball in a space that is crowded. I preferred him when he's taking his jumpshots.

[sasaint]

yup.. and they usually happen at times he's passive. Sometimes he has enough separation for a jumpshot bc his defender is defending against the pass and sagging and he still wants to jam the ball in a space that is crowded. I preferred him when he's taking his jumpshots.

It seems like they come at particularly inopportune times, too. They seem to kill our runs or fuel those of our opponents - but that's just my perception.

[Spurtacular]

Pretty comparable actually

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Min Pts....FG%..3% FT% Reb Ass St BLK TO PER

Pau Gasol......... 25.2 10.3 48.9 40.0 71 8.2 3.6 .2 1.6 1.7 17.3

Wayne Dedmon 24.9 9.5 53.0 38.5 86 7.9 1.0 .3 .9 1.4 14.5


Interestingly, for everyone who says Pau doesn't protect the rim he is blocking shots at almost twice the rate Dedmon is. Of course, Dedmon is being paid about half of what Pau is.

Pau gets his blocks in statue mode. Every game, little guys are taking it right to him for and ones. It's f'ing ridiculous.

[BillMc]

I wish he would cut down the unforced turnovers. That's my complaint.

I think that's a function of new players, less preseason, and a lot of time with the second unit. Pau has to use his passing skill, at this age, other than his length, its his best asset. He's our starting center yet leads the team in assists. Pop has clearly instructed him to look for lobs to LMA (like Timmy did LMA's first year). With such limited guards these days Pau has to initiate a lot. Gonna be turnovers especially early in the season. Many are on Pau, some are on the intended recipient.

[raybies]

Gasol is one of the smartest players in the league. I get the gripes about his contract, but this team couldn't use Dedmon. We actually want to compete for something important. Atlanta doesn't.
this.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The spurs were vastly better with Dedmon starting last year over Gasol... What the numbers don't show is the amount of shots Gasol allows simply because he doesn't want to play defense, the offensive rebounds he allows, and the horrible pick and roll defense

Actually not true but hey ho.

The Gasol-Aldridge-Kawhi-Green-Tony lineup had a better Net rating (7.4 vs 5.4), as well as better all around metrics (except for Reb%) than the same lineup with Dedmon in place of Pau in comparable number of minutes - these were the two most used lineups last season. The only lineup where Dedmon was a clear positive was small ball with him as the sole big, however, in much less minutes.

And since you like to talk about 'when it matters' in the playoffs the difference in Net rating between these two lineups was an amazing 26.7.

[raybies]

Actually not true but hey ho.

The Gasol-Aldridge-Kawhi-Green-Tony lineup had a better Net rating (7.4 vs 5.4), as well as better all around metrics (except for Reb%) than the same lineup with Dedmon in place of Pau in comparable number of minutes - these were the two most used lineups last season. The only lineup where Dedmon was a clear positive was small ball with him as the sole big, however, in much less minutes.

And since you like to talk about 'when it matters' in the playoffs the difference in Net rating between these two lineups was an amazing 26.7.
Bottom line people fail to realize is that say we had paid for Dedmon instead of Pau, what are you paying for? Pau has experience in the postseason while Dedmon has no experience. Look what happened in his first go round. Dedmon is also foul proned. You are risking a lot by making him your featured big. Factor in that he is only a finishing big, offensively you give up a lot. Pau is a safe bet that is more experienced and a much better all around player. You know what you get with him in the playoffs while with Dedmon you don't even know if he can play. But it's hard to defend the contract other than they know what they are doing. They must have something up their sleeve.

Pau also has been playing really well. From my point of view he has been taking the defensive end very personally this year. I've seen him react to miss assignments on d very passionately, unlike last year. But it's clear the message is d and he's getting it. I was ragging on him before but can't complain. He's a highly skilled big.

[BillMc]

Bottom line people fail to realize is that say we had paid for Dedmon instead of Pau, what are you paying for? Pau has experience in the postseason while Dedmon has no experience. Look what happened in his first go round. Dedmon is also foul proned. You are risking a lot by making him your featured big. Factor in that he is only a finishing big, offensively you give up a lot. Pau is a safe bet that is more experienced and a much better all around player. You know what you get with him in the playoffs while with Dedmon you don't even know if he can play. But it's hard to defend the contract other than they know what they are doing. They must have something up their sleeve.

Pau also has been playing really well. From my point of view he has been taking the defensive end very personally this year. I've seen him react to miss assignments on d very passionately, unlike last year. But it's clear the message is d and he's getting it. I was ragging on him before but can't complain. He's a highly skilled big.

Agree to all of this. What was the line "He knows how to play the game". Pau shoots .400 from 3, leads team in assists, blocks and is right on LMA's heels for rebounds while playing less minutes. He's third on the team in Per behind LMA and Rudy. Obviously, that's not a be-all-and-end-all stat. But he's hardly the trainwreck all these guys mad about his contract are claiming. Their agendas are obvious. If at his age he has limitation (mobility on the perimeter) and paces himself (especially with Pau being only 1 of 2 true bigs healthy now) I can understand that. Dedmon lost his starting role and was let go for a reason. His bball IQ is low, his hands are terrible. Pop sees them both in every game, every film study, and every practice. I trust Pop to make the right decision.

[raybies]

Agree to all of this. What was the line "He knows how to play the game". Pau shoots .400 from 3, leads team in assists, blocks and is right on LMA's heels for rebounds while playing less minutes. He's third on the team in Per behind LMA and Rudy. Obviously, that's not a be-all-and-end-all stat. But he's hardly the trainwreck all these guys mad about his contract are claiming. Their agendas are obvious. If at his age he has limitation (mobility on the perimeter) and paces himself (especially with Pau being only 1 of 2 true bigs healthy now) I can understand that. Dedmon lost his starting role and was let go for a reason. His bball IQ is low, his hands are terrible. Pop sees them both in every game, every film study, and every practice. I trust Pop to make the right decision.
:bobo

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Bottom line people fail to realize is that say we had paid for Dedmon instead of Pau, what are you paying for? Pau has experience in the postseason while Dedmon has no experience. Look what happened in his first go round. Dedmon is also foul proned. You are risking a lot by making him your featured big. Factor in that he is only a finishing big, offensively you give up a lot. Pau is a safe bet that is more experienced and a much better all around player. You know what you get with him in the playoffs while with Dedmon you don't even know if he can play. But it's hard to defend the contract other than they know what they are doing. They must have something up their sleeve.

Pau also has been playing really well. From my point of view he has been taking the defensive end very personally this year. I've seen him react to miss assignments on d very passionately, unlike last year. But it's clear the message is d and he's getting it. I was ragging on him before but can't complain. He's a highly skilled big.

I don't like his contract either, because of the additional year he got, but it's difficult to deny he's worth this year's $16 mil for his experience and leadership alone, despite of the coasting, which is normal. He has obvious limitations due to age and he might not be playable in some match ups in the playoffs but then again it looked obvious that would be the case against Houston and he ended up finding a role and having a very good series. So there's something to the 'He knows how to play the game' that BillMc referenced.

As for the hypothetical situation where he opts in and the Spurs re-sign Dedmon then they wouldn't have been able to fit Rudy under the cap if I remember the numbers correctly. So it'd be Dedmon instead of Rudy, not instead of Pau. Of course I'm dismissing the possibility of Pau opting out and the Spurs doing him dirty by not re-signing him.

[AaronY]

Yeah, Pop was obviously holding him back.
So was every other one of his coaches then from high school to the pros :lol

[Arcadian]

My issue with Pau other than the contract is that he's likely to run out of gas when it counts. The guy is ancient.

Tim Duncan did this at age 37 in the finals:


https://youtu.be/iviKH8dnNY4[/url]

(Sorry to bring up 6, but this was a vintage Duncan performance...had the Spurs closed out this game, he certainly would have won Finals MVP)

[Stabula]

Tim Duncan did this at age 37 in the finals:


https://youtu.be/iviKH8dnNY4[/url]

(Sorry to bring up 6, but this was a vintage Duncan performance...had the Spurs closed out this game, he certainly would have won Finals MVP)

I don't think Gasol is going to "run out of gas when it counts" but comparing him to Duncan seems...a strange comparison.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Dedmon can switch and move better than most bigs away from the basket, then potentially be really valuable defensively that way.

Gasol can function defensively within, the into the bigs really disciplined D that Spurs are executing better than most teams, but against the best teams, not least GS, he'll very likely be a costly liability.

Dedmon had the potential not to be and him able to shoot some 3s is obviously a huge boost to his value.


But it also goes without saying that on the offensive side of things Gaso canl do many many things better than Dedmon and is something of an all time great. Just an old fading one.

[sasaint]

I think that's a function of new players, less preseason, and a lot of time with the second unit. Pau has to use his passing skill, at this age, other than his length, its his best asset. He's our starting center yet leads the team in assists. Pop has clearly instructed him to look for lobs to LMA (like Timmy did LMA's first year). With such limited guards these days Pau has to initiate a lot. Gonna be turnovers especially early in the season. Many are on Pau, some are on the intended recipient.

Yeah, generally there's no questioning Pau's BBIQ or passing skill. There are a lot of moving parts on this team. Without Kawhi and Tony, it has actually amazed me how well the team has come together. Even so, Pau has caused a few unforced turnovers that I hope he cuts down on, as things gel better.

Personnel-wise the team is very promising. As far as schemes are concerned, though, I think the Spurs are in a more fluid state than any time I have been following them. So, it is really hard to project: How much of the current offense is a stop-gap that will essentially get jettisoned when Kawhi and Tony return? Specifically, with regard to Pau, won't his role as a playmaker be diminished? Will Kawhi just get plugged into these same schemes, taking minutes that currently go to Kyle, BP3 et al, and transforming the offense through his skill and not through any alteration of schemes? OR will we revert more to iso-ball for Kawhi and Touches? What about Danny's role? Will he revert to being a spot-up 3-ball specialist, or will he continue to be the new, dynamic Danny? Will the old man relegate Forbes and BP3 to garbage time and continue to ride Manu for better or worse?

I personally wish that Pop would pretty much give all of Manu's minutes to BP3 and Forbes (unless they just fall flat) so that we can see if they are going to be legit contributors beyond this season. Both have contracts to be earned (or not). If they continue to develop, the Spurs would have some difficult off-season decisions to make, but also quite possibly have a nice young core for a change.

[Dex]

Dedmon can switch and move better than most bigs away from the basket, then potentially be really valuable defensively that way.

Gasol can function defensively within, the into the bigs really disciplined D that Spurs are executing better than most teams, but against the best teams, not least GS, he'll very likely be a costly liability.

Dedmon had the potential not to be and him able to shoot some 3s is obviously a huge boost to his value.


But it also goes without saying that on the offensive side of things Gaso canl do many many things better than Dedmon and is something of an all time great. Just an old fading one.

A lot of people say Dedmon is a better defender on the perimeter, but that didn't seem to really matter in the playoffs last year. He was virtually unplayable against Houston and Golden State, two teams where a "mobile big" should have really come in handy.

[cd98]

Pau's role as a passing big man is way underrated here. His defense is adequate except for the pick and roll. And his three point shooting really spreads the court. People forget how important he was in the overall defense of Harden last year in the playoffs.

[SAGirl]

Tim Duncan did this at age 37 in the finals:


https://youtu.be/iviKH8dnNY4[/url]

(Sorry to bring up 6, but this was a vintage Duncan performance...had the Spurs closed out this game, he certainly would have won Finals MVP)
It still hurts:-(
But seriously Timmy was one of a kind. One couldn’t use the word coasting with Tim. Aging? yes. Bad knees? Yes. Coasting? No. I still miss Tim, but I can’t currently complain about Gasol. He started off really passive, not shooting well and not necessarily making good decisions (like I said sometimes passing when he needed to shoot, forcing the ball in tight spots at times and being somewhat careless getting a lot of traveling violations and the like). He has played with more effort lately. We can’t complain unless ppl are trolling or have weird agendas at this point.

[Arcadian]

I don't think Gasol is going to "run out of gas when it counts" but comparing him to Duncan seems...a strange comparison.

Gasol isn't going to dominate a Finals this side of 2010, but it goes to show that 37 isn't necessarily ancient and decrepit.

[SAGirl]

Personnel-wise the team is very promising. As far as schemes are concerned, though, I think the Spurs are in a more fluid state than any time I have been following them. So, it is really hard to project: How much of the current offense is a stop-gap that will essentially get jettisoned when Kawhi and Tony return? Specifically, with regard to Pau, won't his role as a playmaker be diminished? Will Kawhi just get plugged into these same schemes, taking minutes that currently go to Kyle, BP3 et al, and transforming the offense through his skill and not through any alteration of schemes? OR will we revert more to iso-ball for Kawhi and Touches? What about Danny's role? Will he revert to being a spot-up 3-ball specialist, or will he continue to be the new, dynamic Danny?

Difficult to tell, they will be a better team, but guys will have to make adjustments to playing with them again, etc. Danny's usage will certainly go down, and we will just have to see what happens with everyone else.


Will the old man relegate Forbes and BP3 to garbage time and continue to ride Manu for better or worse?

He will still ride Manu. Also, though you don't mention him, he will also ride 50mills.

[MaNu4Tres]

A lot of people say Dedmon is a better defender on the perimeter, but that didn't seem to really matter in the playoffs last year. He was virtually unplayable against Houston and Golden State, two teams where a "mobile big" should have really come in handy.

No he would have been very playable. It didn't matter because he was sent to the doghouse after what he said to Pat Beverly game 1 and other locker-room issues. We never saw Dedmon unless he was thrown in during irrelevant mop up minutes.

[Chinook]

Dedmon sucked in a lot of games to end the year. He was in the doghouse for a reason.

[Russ]

So was every other one of his coaches then from high school to the pros :lol

The coaches at USC considered him a head case . . .

[cd021]

Agree to all of this. What was the line "He knows how to play the game". Pau shoots .400 from 3, leads team in assists, blocks and is right on LMA's heels for rebounds while playing less minutes. He's third on the team in Per behind LMA and Rudy. Obviously, that's not a be-all-and-end-all stat. But he's hardly the trainwreck all these guys mad about his contract are claiming. Their agendas are obvious. If at his age he has limitation (mobility on the perimeter) and paces himself (especially with Pau being only 1 of 2 true bigs healthy now) I can understand that. Dedmon lost his starting role and was let go for a reason. His bball IQ is low, his hands are terrible. Pop sees them both in every game, every film study, and every practice. I trust Pop to make the right decision.

I have been impressed with his recent play. Passing, rebounding, protecting the rim and making mid and long range shots, his contract is horrid but at least he's playing well.

[MultiTroll]

Real Nigggga Dedmon November:
Min 23
FG% .696
Reb 9.0
Assists 1.1 who the f is he supposed to be assisting it to on Atlanta? :lol
Points 13.8

Wed Nov 15th vs Kings
24 min 20 pts 14 boards 5 assts 2 blks 2 steals

Gasol
Min 25.9
FG% .516
Reb 8.4
Assists 4.4
Points 10.8

[Fireball]

lets hope he does not kill the Spurs on Monday like Simmons did with Orlando ...

[NameLess Scrub]

lets hope he does not kill the Spurs on Monday like Simmons did with Orlando ...

He will. Probably score on Pau a couple of times.

[NASpurs]

He will. Probably score on Pau a couple of times.

Probably teabag dunk Pau a few times just to show his dominance.

[duncan2k5]

No he would have been very playable. It didn't matter because he was sent to the doghouse after what he said to Pat Beverly game 1 and other locker-room issues. We never saw Dedmon unless he was thrown in during irrelevant mop up minutes.

EXACTLY!!!

[duncan2k5]

Probably teabag dunk Pau a few times just to show his dominance.

[rjv]

It seems like they come at particularly inopportune times, too. They seem to kill our runs or fuel those of our opponents - but that's just my perception.
not just him though. there was about a 2 minute window where in three or four consecutive possessions the spurs turned the ball over and the wolves scored on every one. it took a five point deficit back up to twelve in no time at all.

[boutons_deux]

Pau's role as a passing big man is way underrated here.

In the last two games, he's thrown 3 or 4 really bad passes into traffic for TO.

[SAGirl]

not just him though. there was about a 2 minute window where in three or four consecutive possessions the spurs turned the ball over and the wolves scored on every one. it took a five point deficit back up to twelve in no time at all.
that came in the 2nd Q and probably lost them the game. They had just gained a lead and were scoring without any problem, Pop benched Kyle for Brandon Paul propelling a run for the Wolves and didn't sub him in until the team was down by one point. AFter that the hot run continued but this time propelled by a Tyus Jones/Teague PnR/PnP defended by Pau and Mills that went just about perfect for the Wolves every single time, like 4 buckets in a row they got after the run they had just gotten out of the Brandon Paul substitution/multiple transition baskets. Spurs never quite recover from that Wolves run. They won the 1st and 3rd Q, but really lost the game in the 2nd Q, in which they allowed 39 points to their own 19. That was game. They competed and battled after that, but never quite get over the hump. Questionable referee calls didn't help either.

[Raven]

atlanta is like last in the league..

[duncan2k5]

In the last two games, he's thrown 3 or 4 really bad passes into traffic for TO.

Against the Warriors... Thats death

[jermaine]

Dedmon is gone... Let's get the fuck over it!!! He ain't coming back either....

[daslicer]

Dedmon is gone... Let's get the fuck over it!!! He ain't coming back either....

I agree. This also applies to Simmons.

[MultiTroll]

ATL 102 Spurs 99 Jan 15th

Real Niggggga Dedmon
26 min
12 points (4-8)
10 boards
2 assists
1 steal

Pau
21 minutes
6 points (2-6)
5 boards
4 assists
2 blocks

Defense? I seldom watch 2018 Popped Spurs games. How was the individual D of each?

[DAF86]

Dedmon shooting 41% from 3. :depressed

[palangi]

Just anther example of poop and his poorly constructed roster. Dedmon should have been resigned

[DAF86]

And his advanced metrics:

OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: 0.6 - BPM: 0.7 - VORP: 0.4

Positives all across the board on a team that has a worst record than the Magic. TheGreatYacht and duncan2k5, see how it's possible for players to post positive advanced metrics on bad teams? You just have to be a good player.

[Ice009]

At one point during last season I wanted Dedmon back, but Pop fucked him over and fooled me into thinking he's a total liability on offense, so maybe you can't bring him back because of that. Didn't allow him any leeway on the offensive end. Didn't allow him to shoot threes. Didn't allow him to grow or expand his game.

[pad300]

And his advanced metrics:

OBPM: 0.1 - DBPM: 0.6 - BPM: 0.7 - VORP: 0.4

Positives all across the board on a team that has a worst record than the Magic. TheGreatYacht and duncan2k5, see how it's possible for players to post positive advanced metrics on bad teams? You just have to be a good player.

I agree that their are arguments for Dedmon vs Gasol: youth/potential development, contracts, and who can actually play against small ball/GSW. I also believe in honesty in statistics. Therefore, here are Pau's advanced metrics for this season to date:

OBPM : 0.2 DPBM : 3.2 BPM: 3.5 VORP: 1.5

Yes, he beats Dedmon in all categories...

Furthermore, he is shooting slightly better from the 3, .417 vs. 41.

PER 100 posssession, Pau is slightly better at rebounding 16.5 to 16, Produces MANY more assists 6.5 to 2.8, less steals 0.6 to 0.9, more blocks 2.2 to 1.7, less TO 3 to 3.2, many less PF's 6.3 to 3. Pau is however a much less efficient 2 pt scorer .473 to .628, primarily because Dedmon can easily get up and dunk, while Pau shoots bunnies and avoids contact. To be fair, Pau still draws more foul shoots per 100 possesions, 4.7 to 3.3, and makes them at a higher percentage, .798 to .763.

[DAF86]

I agree that their are arguments for Dedmon vs Gasol: youth/potential development, contracts, and who can actually play against small ball/GSW. I also believe in honesty in statistics. Therefore, here are Pau's advanced metrics for this season to date:

OBPM : 0.2 DPBM : 3.2 BPM: 3.5 VORP: 1.5

Yes, he beats Dedmon in all categories...

Furthermore, he is shooting slightly better from the 3, .417 vs. 41.

PER 100 posssession, Pau is slightly better at rebounding 16.5 to 16, Produces MANY more assists 6.5 to 2.8, less steals 0.6 to 0.9, more blocks 2.2 to 1.7, less TO 3 to 3.2, many less PF's 6.3 to 3. Pau is however a much less efficient 2 pt scorer .473 to .628, primarily because Dedmon can easily get up and dunk, while Pau shoots bunnies and avoids contact. To be fair, Pau still draws more foul shoots per 100 possesions, 4.7 to 3.3, and makes them at a higher percentage, .798 to .763.

Pau has been playing pretty well this season. The thing is that I would rather have Dedmon for his price than Pau for his.

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Pau has been playing pretty well this season. The thing is that I would rather have Dedmon for his price than Pau for his.

Me too. That contract is not a good one IMO. Especially as you can play Dedmon against the Warriors, which you just can't with Pau's slow feet...

[SAGirl]

Dedmon was worth retaining, but if I remember correctly the Spurs didn't have Bird rights to him, that was one big problem they had to bring him back.
I can't recall all the details about the cap the past summer, but iirc once they decided to pay Patty that 12:01 deal I think they didn't have cap.

They then spent the entire MLE on Rudy Gay, so it was either Rudy Gay or Dedmon and they went the Rudy Gay route.

[Ice009]

I'd also prefer Dedmon for his defensive versatility. The difference in value between the two contracts is a no-brainer.