Giannis is sick!!

[lebomb]

Went to the game last night. He was head and shoulders above anyone else on the court last night. He was everywhere!!! Boards, scoring, steals, dunks... you name it. He is in he top 5 of players for me at this point. Dude is a beast. :claw

[cd98]

He was scary good in the first 5 min or so of the 3rd. Never seen a guy dominate on defense that many times in a row and turn it into points. That includes Kawhi. I still think Kawhi is a better individual defender, but the Greek may be the greatest team defender I’ve seen. He bailed out a lot of his teammates.

[TheGreatYacht]

Some poster, who's the worst talent evaluator, said Giannis would be the worst MVP in history :lmao

Not going to name drop, but let's just say he's a Fathead and D-League Danny fluffer & Simms hater.

[tholdren]

Some poster, who's the worst talent evaluator, said Giannis would be the worst MVP in history :lmao

Not going to name drop, but let's just say he's a Fathead and D-League Danny fluffer & Simms hater.

You?

[TheGreatYacht]

You?
Oh shit, it's the racist faggot that said Simmons couldn't read and Lee had the highest IQ on last year's team.

Get off the Internet you old fuck.

[tholdren]

Oh shit, it's the racist faggot that said Simmons couldn't read and Lee had the highest IQ on last year's team.

Get off the Internet you old fuck.

Booo hoooo. I never said simmons couldnt read.

[ElNono]

overrated, system player, a product of Jason Kidd, tbh

[Russ]

Looks like the Spurs were the perfect antidote. :toast

[Play Boban]

Went to the game last night. He was head and shoulders above anyone else on the court last night. He was everywhere!!! Boards, scoring, steals, dunks... you name it. He is in he top 5 of players for me at this point. Dude is a beast. :claw
:cry

[Atl Spur]

He's a nice player but he doesn't want to see Leonard EVER!!! His jump shot is broke and his defense isn't on Leonards level..........

[Mikeanaro]

Overrated, Refs gave his trashy team lots of help to win last night.

[ECOV]

he's is a great player tbh, but imo I think he wouldn't be doing as much if the klaw was in the floor but we will see next game !! :claw

[jermaine]

This dude ain't that good to me....

[bklynspursfan]

He's like a young LeBron. Very physically gifted, but with such a limited offensive game, easy to shut down in a playoff series with the right personel/strategy

[sasaint]

Went to the game last night. He was head and shoulders above anyone else on the court last night. He was everywhere!!! Boards, scoring, steals, dunks... you name it. He is in he top 5 of players for me at this point. Dude is a beast. :claw

I was at the game, too. What was extremely impressive was how he got most of his points in the flow of a pretty team-oriented offense. Except for that monster dunk on the steal and break, his performance was awesome in a pretty quiet way. If he does develop a reliable jumper, he will be unbelievable!

[sasaint]

Overrated, Refs gave his trashy team lots of help to win last night.

To me he was very impressive, but you are absolutely right about the refs. The bad thing about attending games is that you miss the meltdowns on ST. There were several really TURRIBLE calls - not the least of which was the foul they called on Patty for mugging li'l ol' Thon Maker on that screen he set. In the end, however, the Spurs played poorly. That horrid third quarter, turnovers and a very poor shooting night by a key player or two did us in - not the refs. If we could have had one or two of the guys step up last night as they did tonight, Spurs win.

[Mikeanaro]

To me he was very impressive, but you are absolutely right about the refs. The bad thing about attending games is that you miss the meltdowns on ST. There were several really TURRIBLE calls - not the least of which was the foul they called on Patty for mugging li'l ol' Thon Maker on that screen he set. In the end, however, the Spurs played poorly. That horrid third quarter, turnovers and a very poor shooting night by a key player or two did us in - not the refs. If we could have had one or two of the guys step up last night as they did tonight, Spurs win.
Kid is good, but overrated and the league has to sell new faces, it was supposed to be Anthony Davis but his sucking is reaching epic proportions, while I understand what you say, my point is you cant punish Spurs for sucking and give the opposite team an extra 8 points when they are sucking even more, Bucks were 4-6.

Spurs can suck and still win the game, specially with Kiwi out but if refs fuck them it gives the Bucks an ass smelling asterisk victory.
I recall when posters here say ¨Terrible win but I take it¨, and zebras are playing dirty on us.

[BillMc]

overrated, system player, a product of Jason Kidd, tbh

Why bring up Richard Jefferson?

[sasaint]

Kid is good, but overrated and the league has to sell new faces, it was supposed to be Anthony Davis but his sucking is reaching epic proportions, while I understand what you say, my point is you cant punish Spurs for sucking and give the opposite team an extra 8 points when they are sucking even more, Bucks were 4-6.

Spurs can suck and still win the game, specially with Kiwi out but if refs fuck them it gives the Bucks an ass smelling asterisk victory.
I recall when posters here say ¨Terrible win but I take it¨, and zebras are playing dirty on us.

Yeah. With Kawhi out, our margin for error shrinks. With most of our guys not stepping up, the margin shrinks some more. The refs step in a few times, and you have a trifecta for the Bucks to take advantage of.

But getting back to Giannis, I like the comparisons to a very young LeBron - except Lebron isn't 7 feet tall. Bottom line: I would love to have this guy on the Spurs - just maybe not instead of Kawhi. But alongside Kawhi, They would be an awesome duo.

[Mikeanaro]

Yeah. With Kawhi out, our margin for error shrinks. With most of our guys not stepping up, the margin shrinks some more. The refs step in a few times, and you have a trifecta for the Bucks to take advantage of.

But getting back to Giannis, I like the comparisons to a very young LeBron - except Lebron isn't 7 feet tall. Bottom line: I would love to have this guy on the Spurs - just maybe not instead of Kawhi. But alongside Kawhi, They would be an awesome duo.
Alongside Kawhi sure, he is like a young Lebron with a shorter range but a lot taller, has nice offensive moves and even when I think he is overrated at least Bucks reached a 4th seed while Fatmelo´s Knicks failed to make the playoffs 80% of the times.
Maybe in the future, as for now Bucks are going to pay him good to keep the cow.

[ElNono]

Pointy elbows, would not trade for...

[ElNono]

Why bring up Richard Jefferson?

:lol

Ironically, he ended up being a product of Lebron, tbh

[BillMc]

:lol

Ironically, he ended up being a product of Lebron, tbh
:lol Truth

[UZER]

Kid is good, but overrated and the league has to sell new faces, it was supposed to be Anthony Davis but his sucking is reaching epic proportions, while I understand what you say, my point is you cant punish Spurs for sucking and give the opposite team an extra 8 points when they are sucking even more, Bucks were 4-6.

Spurs can suck and still win the game, specially with Kiwi out but if refs fuck them it gives the Bucks an ass smelling asterisk victory.
I recall when posters here say ¨Terrible win but I take it¨, and zebras are playing dirty on us.

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[Stabula]

Giannis is a top 3 maybe even top 2 talent in the league right now. Guy can play any position from point guard to center.

[exstatic]

Giannis is a top 3 maybe even top 2 talent in the league right now. Guy can play any position from point guard to center.

I have a hard time putting a player in even the top 5 if they have no jump shot. Let’s see IF Milwaukee makes the playoffs, and what he night do in that environment.

[DeadlyDynasty]

"He's another player who takes the MVP-spotlight away from a healthy Kawhi, therefore I must irrationally shit on him."

[TimDunkem]

"He's another player who takes the MVP-spotlight away from a healthy Kawhi, therefore I must irrationally shit on him."

[Ice009]

He's great, but take away his height and athleticism, what skills does he have that are better than Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, Curry, Harden and some of the other guys in the top 10? He's not a top 5 player IMO. You need skill to be able to dominate in the biggest playoff games when teams lock in on you. Athleticism can only get you so far.

I viewed Shaq the same way, but he was just too much of a physical specimen able to dominate guys smaller and weaker than him, and he also had a highly skilled player in Kobe to finish those games. Shaq would not have done well if he was the go to guy in the 4th quarters and there was no Kobe. He wouldn't have won shit in the playoffs as his fundamental skills weren't good enough when the games were on the line. Take away his freakish size, strength and athleticism, he wouldn't have even been in the NBA.

Giannis is very good, but he's gotta keep working on his fundamentals (shooting being the main one for him) to be able to take a team far in the playoffs (unless he has a stacked roster that can take a lot of the pressure off of him and help carry him in big games).

Anyway, I'll wait and see how he does in the playoffs before I even put him in my top 5.

[bic50]

"He's another player who takes the MVP-spotlight away from a healthy Kawhi, therefore I must irrationally shit on him."
No

[dabom]

he's is a great player tbh, but imo I think he wouldn't be doing as much if the klaw was in the floor but we will see next game !! :claw

This poster has been a quality poster for some time now. :tu

[resistanze]

He's great, but take away his height and athleticism, what skills does he have that are better than Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, Curry, Harden and some of the other guys in the top 10? He's not a top 5 player IMO. You need skill to be able to dominate in the biggest playoff games when teams lock in on you. Athleticism can only get you so far.

I viewed Shaq the same way, but he was just too much of a physical specimen able to dominate guys smaller and weaker than him, and he also had a highly skilled player in Kobe to finish those games. Shaq would not have done well if he was the go to guy in the 4th quarters and there was no Kobe. He wouldn't have won shit in the playoffs as his fundamental skills weren't good enough when the games were on the line. Take away his freakish size, strength and athleticism, he wouldn't have even been in the NBA.

Giannis is very good, but he's gotta keep working on his fundamentals (shooting being the main one for him) to be able to take a team far in the playoffs (unless he has a stacked roster that can take a lot of the pressure off of him and help carry him in big games).

Anyway, I'll wait and see how he does in the playoffs before I even put him in my top 5.
Why would I take away his height and athleticism?

'Curry is great, but take away his 3 point shooting and handles, and he's just an average player!!'

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[DAF86]

He scores most of his pts on the break and broken plays. He still has some troubles against good stablished defenses. I specially liked the idea of having a bigger guy than him guarding him. LA did a great job on the kid, too bad Pop used that strategy so little.

[Ice009]

Why would I take away his height and athleticism?

'Curry is great, but take away his 3 point shooting and handles, and he's just an average player!!'

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/what.png

You fucking idiot.

Curry worked on his shooting and dribbling. Did Giannis work on his height and athleticism?

[r0drig0lac]

He's great, but take away his height and athleticism, what skills does he have that are better than Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, Curry, Harden and some of the other guys in the top 10? He's not a top 5 player IMO. You need skill to be able to dominate in the biggest playoff games when teams lock in on you. Athleticism can only get you so far.

I viewed Shaq the same way, but he was just too much of a physical specimen able to dominate guys smaller and weaker than him, and he also had a highly skilled player in Kobe to finish those games. Shaq would not have done well if he was the go to guy in the 4th quarters and there was no Kobe. He wouldn't have won shit in the playoffs as his fundamental skills weren't good enough when the games were on the line. Take away his freakish size, strength and athleticism, he wouldn't have even been in the NBA.

Giannis is very good, but he's gotta keep working on his fundamentals (shooting being the main one for him) to be able to take a team far in the playoffs (unless he has a stacked roster that can take a lot of the pressure off of him and help carry him in big games).

Anyway, I'll wait and see how he does in the playoffs before I even put him in my top 5.
really??? this is so wrong
about giannis:
he has 60% of ts without jumpshot and with Shaq at the fg% level on the rim, his help defense is insane, why should he be decreased by not having a jumpshot? I feel that if I played for SA the comments here would be completely different, hell, people were comparing Kawhi with Jordan because of 1 season

[ElNono]

Nothing a Vicks Vaporub won't heal, tbh...

[Ice009]

really??? this is so wrong
about giannis:
he has 60% of ts without jumpshot and with Shaq at the fg% level on the rim, his help defense is insane, why should he be decreased by not having a jumpshot? I feel that if I played for SA the comments here would be completely different, hell, people were comparing Kawhi with Jordan because of 1 season

Can you rephrase that?

As for Giannis, how much of his game is based on his combination of height and athleticism? I'd like to know people's opinions on that.

I just simply don't put him in my top 5 for now. He's a great player, but I'd like to see more of him in the playoffs, and also for him perform well there before he gets into a top 5 conversation for my personal list.

Shaq was a great player too, but I didn't think he was very skilled. He did have skills, but his freakish body is mostly what made him great IMO. I probably went a bit over the top saying he wouldn't be in the NBA without it.

[r0drig0lac]

Can you rephrase that?

As for Giannis, how much of his game is based on his combination of height and athleticism? I'd like to know people's opinions on that.

I just simply don't put him in my top 5 for now. He's a great player, but I'd like to see more of him in the playoffs, and also for him perform well there before he gets into a top 5 conversation for my personal list.

Shaq was a great player too, but I didn't think he was very skilled. He did have skills, but his freakish body is mostly what made him great IMO. I probably went a bit over the top saying he wouldn't be in the NBA without it.

rankings are personal, it does not matter much.
meanwhile minimizing a power forward that has 60%ts and is a total mismatch for ANY player in the league (probably ever) does not make sense to me, on Shaq he's probably one of the most skillful bigs ever (especially with his size)

[Ice009]

rankings are personal, it does not matter much.
meanwhile minimizing a power forward that has 60%ts and is a total mismatch for ANY player in the league (probably ever) does not make sense to me, on Shaq he's probably one of the most skillful bigs ever (especially with his size)

I disagree completely about Shaq.

You put him in Tim Duncan's body (or another similar height, but smaller weight and strength player than Shaq was), he'd be nowhere near as good as TD was.

His size and athleticism is what allowed him to dominate. His skills were secondary to that.

TD's skills is what allowed him to dominate (yes, his size an athleticism did help too, but that was secondary to his fundamental skills). Curry's skills are what allow him to dominate. These guys dominate primarily because of their skills. Shaq dominated primarily because of his size, strength and athleticism. He did have skill, but IMO that was secondary to what I mentioned previously.

Dwight Howard, in his prime, dominated primarily because of his athleticism, not skill.

Some players are an combination of the two. Jordan, Kawhi, Kobe, those guys have both skill and athleticism which went hand in hand.

[bic50]

really??? this is so wrong
about giannis:
he has 60% of ts without jumpshot and with Shaq at the fg% level on the rim, his help defense is insane, why should he be decreased by not having a jumpshot? I feel that if I played for SA the comments here would be completely different, hell, people were comparing Kawhi with Jordan because of 1 season
Jordan /Kawhi comparison mostly were about they're playing style.

[r0drig0lac]

I disagree completely about Shaq.

You put him in Tim Duncan's body (or another similar height, but smaller weight and strength player than Shaq was), he'd be nowhere near as good as TD was.

His size and athleticism is what allowed him to dominate. His skills were secondary to that.

TD's skills is what allowed him to dominate (yes, his size an athleticism did help too, but that was secondary to his fundamental skills). Curry's skills are what allow him to dominate. These guys dominate primarily because of their skills. Shaq dominated primarily because of his size, strength and athleticism. He did have skill, but IMO that was secondary to what I mentioned previously.

Dwight Howard, in his prime, dominated primarily because of his athleticism, not skill.

Some players are an combination of the two. Jordan, Kawhi, Kobe, those guys have both skill and athleticism which went hand in hand.

no problem

[resistanze]

You fucking idiot.

Curry worked on his shooting and dribbling. Did Giannis work on his height and athleticism?

Who gives a shit what he worked on, you fucking imbecile. If his amazing athleticism and height as you claim makes him better than 99% of basketball players...then he's better than 99% of other basketball players. 'Take away..' is an idiotic argument, because he has it.

[boutons_deux]

17-18 seems to be his breakout year, confirming "big men take several years to develop", so probably he can get even better, better game mgmt, better leadership.