State dollars eyed to help lure Saints

[TheWriter]

State dollars eyed to help lure Saints

Web Posted: 10/18/2005 12:00 AM CDT

Tom Orsborn
Express-News Staff Writer

A state lawmaker says he would like to use a portion of a state economic development fund to help San Antonio's campaign to permanently land the New Orleans Saints.

State Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio, said Monday he is exploring use of the Texas Enterprise Fund to help build a Saints relocation war chest. Of the $182 million appropriated this year for the fund, about $146 million remains available through 2007.

"That's the first logical place to look," Wentworth said.

"That fund was created to help (businesses) make decisions to come to Texas as opposed to somewhere else. In my judgment, the Saints coming here would create jobs and spark economic development."

Wentworth said he has asked Gov. Rick Perry, who, with the lieutenant governor and speaker of the House, must unanimously approve each disbursement, to consider using development funds as part of a financial incentives package to entice the Saints to stay in San Antonio.

Meanwhile, in a move that could signal the Saints' intentions, team owner Tom Benson on Monday fired his chief administrator, Arnold Fielkow.

Fielkow, who was in his sixth year with the organization and a member of the team's board of directors, was known to be a strong supporter of the Saints returning to New Orleans as soon as the city's Superdome facility, damaged during Hurricane Katrina, is repaired or replaced.

Last month, as the Saints were settling into new training quarters at the Alamodome, Fielkow warned Louisiana state officials that Benson was considering permanent relocation. Team sources said Fielkow was dismissed for opposing Benson's desire to explore relocation options.

The team moved its operations to San Antonio on Sept. 2, just days after Katrina left much of New Orleans underwater.

The Saints already have played two of their scheduled home games in the Alamodome and will play another there on Dec. 24. Four home games are scheduled for Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, La., the first Oct. 30.

Mayor Phil Hardberger, interviewed during Sunday's games against the Atlanta Falcons at the dome, said he intends to open negotiations at the end of the season with Benson with the goal of keeping the team in San Antonio.

Hardberger said Benson shares that goal and has agreed to discuss permanent relocation.

Other local leaders fell in behind Hardberger on Monday.

"That kind of leadership is a necessary ingredient for any attempt to acquire an NFL team," said businessman B.J. "Red" McCombs, who until last year owned the Minnesota Vikings.

"I applaud him every way I can because the NFL is good for the city. Without that leadership, there's no way we would even have a chance."

"It's about time we had some strong leadership on this issue," said Mike Lynd Jr., an executive with The Lynd Co., the city's largest apartment management company.

"You can't ask for much more than what (Hardberger) said. He recognized the opportunity and is taking advantage of it. This is not going to happen without a tremendous amount of leadership citywide."

Count Judge Nelson Wolff said he in "100 percent agreement" that the city should pursue the Saints — but without the promise of a new stadium or subsidies.

Hardberger said he opposes city funding of a new stadium and will not support subsidies, which Benson receives from the state of Louisiana to play in the Superdome.

"I think he laid it out just right," Wolff said of Hardberger.

Perry, who briefly addressed the Saints issue while attending Sunday's game, said he supports the idea of the Saints moving to Texas. But a spokeswoman for Perry said Monday "it's way too premature" to discuss dipping into the Texas Enterprise Fund.

"The governor thinks it would be great if the Saints want to move here — and Texas would welcome them," spokeswoman Kathy Walt said. "But, beyond that, it's way too early to talk about whether there are funds available for assistance."

Hardberger's comments drew a carefully crafted response from the attorney representing the Louisiana Stadium & Exposition District, which operates the Superdome.

"The post-hurricane challenges for Louisiana should not lead to a tug of war between San Antonio and New Orleans, and certainly not between San Antonio and Baton Rouge," attorney Larry Roedel said.

"The Saints have at least two generations of loyal supporters in Louisiana and the Gulf Coast on our end of the rope. San Antonio has been a gracious host, as is LSU, during a difficult time. There are many precedents in the NFL for a pro team to play two or more seasons at a college venue while a stadium is being built or remodeled. We are following NFL precedent in that regard."

The Saints have a contract with the Louisiana Stadium & Exposition District to play at the Superdome through 2010. But a force majeure clause allows the Saints to declare the stadium unusable and terminate the contract.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA101805.01A.FBN_Wentworth_Saints.de2a6c7.html

[Obstructed_View]

It's funny that people say that San Antonio is this big rich city that can support an NFL team but they can't even round up the money to secure the team or build a stadium without having to try to wrangle the money away from the cities that already have NFL teams.

If Perry agreed to waste the TEF on something as stupid as the Saints he'd be dragged into the street and hanged.

[Extra Stout]

It's funny that people say that San Antonio is this big rich city that can support an NFL team but they can't even round up the money to secure the team or build a stadium without having to try to wrangle the money away from the cities that already have NFL teams.Using that fund for an NFL team is like a welfare mother who uses her check to buy a Coach purse.


If Perry agreed to waste the TEF on something as stupid as the Saints he'd be dragged into the street and hanged.I'm going to have to chime in to my state rep about this.

Stop looking for a handout! If you want a team, pay for it your goddamned selves!

[Marcus Bryant]

Ah, San Antonio de Bexar.

Benson and the Mayor will probably arrive at a deal for the city to lease the Alamodome to the team for the next 3 years at the rate of a buck a year or something ridiculous. Then watch as San Antonihomers pitch a fit about that.

Why...we could get the Antiques Roadshow on a Sunday afternoon!

Getting state money is a pipedream. The sad thing is...getting the public to approve a small amount of public funding for a NFL stadium (~$50 mil) would be too.

[Marcus Bryant]

Also, before I forget...3 games doesn't prove much about how well a franchise would do at the gate in SA.

How about 2 years from now when the 2-5 Saints, coming off a 6-10 season the year before, are trying to sell tix while you have the Spurs, coming off yet another championship, starting their season?

I don't believe the "novelty" of having a NFL team in SA would help the team's ticket sales past the 1st season in SA.

[2centsworth]

You guys need to stop beating around the bush and just come out and say you don't think a predominately Mexican society can afford an NFL team. Maybe you think we're uneducated and there's no future here. Don't be panzy asses and just come out and say how you feel.

[TheWriter]

You guys need to stop beating around the bush and just come out and say you don't think a predominately Mexican society can afford an NFL team. Maybe you think we're uneducated and there's no future here. Don't be panzy asses and just come out and say how you feel.

They're too chicken shit to fess up.

Because they're so much better than us living in that overrated city 70 miles northeast of here.

[Marcus Bryant]

Actually I think a city that is one of the smallest and poorest markets in the NBA would have a tough time supporting two major pro sports franchises.

Race has nothing to do with it. Try again.

[Marcus Bryant]

They're too chicken shit to fess up.

Because they're so much better than us living in that overrated city 70 miles northeast of here.

Um, I don't live there. Try again.

[TheWriter]

Actually I think a city that is one of the smallest and poorest markets in the NBA would have a tough time supporting two major pro sports franchises.


Thanks for using per capita to measure wealth in a city dumbshit.

Now go try again.

[Marcus Bryant]

:rolleyes

Damn, you are grasping at straws. Weath is accounted for in income stats. The term you were looking for was "wages".

Try again.

[2centsworth]

:rolleyes

Damn, you are grasping at straws. Weath is accounted for in income stats. The term you were looking for was "wages".

Try again.
This city has a world of potential, but sometimes it's hard for people to see past the brown faces.

[Marcus Bryant]

When you have nothing left, claim racism. Awesome.

[TheWriter]

:rolleyes

Damn, you are grasping at straws. Weath is accounted for in income stats. The term you were looking for was "wages".

Try again.

You have only used per capita income.

Try median household income or median family income.

I already gave you San Antonio's.

More than 41,000.

Now try again poser kid.

[Marcus Bryant]

"Poser kid"? If that doesn't describe Buddy Holly perfectly I don't know what does.

Per capita income stats do account for income from sources other than wages. That's why it is not referred to as "per capita wages".

You've provided nothing in the way of meaningful data in this forum. Now shut up and sit the fuck down you little wannabe.

[2centsworth]

When you have nothing left, claim racism. Awesome.
Not at all, I'm a Neo-Con but feel compelled to state the obvious.

[TheWriter]

"Poser kid"? If that doesn't describe Buddy Holly perfectly I don't know what does.

Per capita income stats do account for income from sources other than wages. That's why it is not referred to as "per capita wages".

You've provided nothing in the way of meaningful data in this forum. Now shut up and sit the fuck down you little wannabe.

Over 41,000 dollars is the median household INCOME.

Now go stick those numbers up your ass like you do dildos.

[Marcus Bryant]

Not at all, I'm a Neo-Con but feel compelled to state the obvious.

And I'm Santa Claus. There is no "obvious". You cannot respond to the claim that SA is one of the smallest and poorest markets in the NBA so you claim "racism". The numbers don't lie, man.

[Marcus Bryant]

Over 41,000 dollars is the median household INCOME.

Now go stick those numbers up your ass like you do dildos.


Goddamn, you are that stupid.

[TheWriter]

And I'm Santa Claus. There is no "obvious". You cannot respond to the claim that SA is one of the smallest and poorest markets in the NBA so you claim "racism". The numbers don't lie, man.

Your opinion is more of a joke than someone using racism as a claim.

[TheWriter]

Goddamn, you are that stupid.

Nope, just that your using one tangable to make SA look bad yet I proivde another and you call me stupid.

Why, because it doesn't make SA look bad.

:lol :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

The numbers don't lie. And they're colorblind too.


The 15 smallest NBA cities - Listed by television market, out of 210 total areas (Number of Television Homes):

1. Memphis, Tennessee (658,250)
2. New Orleans, Louisiana (675,760)
3. San Antonio, Texas (748,950)
4. Salt Lake City, Utah (800,000)
5. Milwaukee, Wisconsin (886,770)
6. Charlotte, North Carolina (1,004,440)
7. Indianapolis, Indiana (1,053,020)
8. Portland, Oregon (1,086,900)
9. Orlando, Florida (1,303,150)
10. Sacramento, California (1,315,030)
11. Denver, Colorado (1,401,760)
12. Miami, Florida (1,496,810)
13. Cleveland, Ohio (1,556,670)
14. Phoenix, Arizona (1,596,950)
15. Minneapolis, Minnesota (1,665,540)

source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_expansion_potential)

That's TV households.

Now how about per capita income?


Table 1. Personal Income and Per Capita Personal Income by Metropolitan Area, 2001-2003
Personal income Per capita personal income/1
Millions of dollars Percent Dollars Rank in
Area name change/2 U.S.
2001 2002 2003 2002-2003 2001 2002 2003 2003
San Antonio, TX 47,218 47,797 49,733 4.1 27,044 26,832 27,381 186


What about other NBA TV markets in the bottom half of the league?


Table 1. Personal Income and Per Capita Personal Income by Metropolitan Area, 2001-2003
Personal income Per capita personal income/1
Millions of dollars Percent Dollars Rank in
Area name change/2 U.S.
2001 2002 2003 2002-2003 2001 2002 2003 2003

Memphis, TN-MS-AR 36,241 37,767 39,244 3.9 29,790 30,787 31,677 79
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 36,923 38,211 39,595 3.6 28,142 29,091 30,092 116
Salt Lake City, UT 28,619 29,316 29,935 2.1 29,055 29,456 29,768 128
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 50,920 51,910 53,182 2.5 33,819 34,384 35,133 35
Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC 44,820 46,485 47,850 2.9 32,604 33,045 33,251 52
Indianapolis, IN 50,515 52,040 53,816 3.4 32,484 32,983 33,618 42
Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA 63,933 64,395 65,629 1.9 32,345 31,988 32,152 70
Orlando-Kissimmee, FL 46,350 48,096 50,670 5.4 27,151 27,407 28,114 168
Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA 57,532 59,439 62,079 4.4 30,807 30,864 31,425 83
Denver-Aurora, CO 87,646 88,602 90,239 1.8 39,432 38,923 39,203 11
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL 163,860 169,151 174,652 3.3 32,025 32,493 33,094 55
Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 68,208 69,022 71,051 2.9 31,799 32,219 33,196 54
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 97,139 101,447 106,327 4.8 28,712 29,080 29,590 131
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 113,012 115,401 119,080 3.2 37,370 37,773 38,601 14

BEA (http://www.bea.gov/bea/newsrel/MPINewsRelease.htm)

Among the 15 smallest NBA markets in terms of TV households, San Antonio was the lowest in terms of per capita income in 2001 through 2003. The only reason the Spurs remain in San Antonio is because of the arena deal, which heavily subsidizes the team as well as due to the salary cap and in particular the luxury tax distributions as well as the institution of maximum salaries in the league.

[Marcus Bryant]

Nope, just that your using one tangable to make SA look bad yet I proivde another and you call me stupid.

Why, because it doesn't make SA look bad.

:lol :lol


:yawn

Stop wasting space.

[TheWriter]

:yawn

Stop wasting space.

Exactly. You have nothing.

Well except, per capita.

:lol :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Anyone care to offer a response that isn't predicated on a unfounded racism charge or the notion that Buddy Holly has any clue what he is trying to say?

[TheWriter]

Anyone care to offer a response that isn't predicated on a unfounded racism charge or the notion that Buddy Holly has any clue what he is trying to say?

41,000 median household income. Up from 26,000 in 1990. :elephant

[Marcus Bryant]

Look, San Antonio is not an attractive market relative to a sizable number of cities. That's not racism that's reality.

But it is attractive when compared to New Orleans and it has an opportunity to land a NFL team which is probably going to be its best chance in 20 years to do so.

Now if you can't participate in this discussion, that's understandable. Step aside and let people who can, do.

[TheWriter]

Look, San Antonio is not an attractive market relative to a sizable number of cities. That's not racism that's reality.

Thank you for your opinion, but like assholes, everyone has one.

Try something for a change. You can't be prentending to black all your life.

[Marcus Bryant]

41,000 median household income. Up from 26,000 in 1990. :elephant

So what? That works out to a 3.3% CAGR. Stop the presses.

Compare the levels and the rate of change to at least a national benchmark and get back to me, intern.

[Marcus Bryant]

Thank you for your opinion, but like assholes, everyone has one.

Try something for a change. You can't be prentending to black all your life.

Oddly enough, my opinion is backed up with actual links to sources that provide both a consistent series as well as a relative evaluation of SA versus other markets.

You apparently are incapable of formulating such an argument. No surprise.

[TheWriter]

The numbers don't lie. And they're colorblind too.



source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_expansion_potential)

That's TV households.

Now how about per capita income?



What about other NBA TV markets in the bottom half of the league?


BEA (http://www.bea.gov/bea/newsrel/MPINewsRelease.htm)

Among the 15 smallest NBA markets in terms of TV households, San Antonio was the lowest in terms of per capita income in 2001 through 2003. The only reason the Spurs remain in San Antonio is because of the arena deal, which heavily subsidizes the team as well as due to the salary cap and in particular the luxury tax distributions as well as the institution of maximum salaries in the league.

I believe this is the exact same post from another thread we were going back and forth in.

Man are you so not original.

It's a small tv market, sure. It's per capita isn't the best.

Get a new act poser.

[Obstructed_View]

Convincing arguments for getting an NFL franchise:
1. We are a big rich city, except that we need state money to get an NFL team.
2. If you don't think we are a big rich city, you stick things in your ass.
3. My opinion is a fact, and your facts are just your opinion.
3. Also, you must hate us because we have brown skin.
4. Fag

[2centsworth]

Red Mccombs says San Antonio can support an NFL team.

[TheWriter]

Oddly enough, my opinion is backed up with actual links to sources that provide both a consistent series as well as a relative evaluation of SA versus other markets.

You apparently are incapable of formulating such an argument. No surprise.

All you've proven is what's been known for a while.

San Antonio has a small tv market. Big whoop.

And that San Antonio's per capita isn't the best.

That doesn't prove your opinion.

So STFU about it or come up with something else.

[Obstructed_View]

I believe this is the exact same post from another thread we were going back and forth in.

Man are you so not original.

It's a small tv market, sure. It's per capita isn't the best.

Get a new act poser.
OMFG, did you just admit that it's a small TV market?

A breakthrough.

Now if you could stop responding to logic and facts with name-calling and grandstanding.

[Marcus Bryant]

Convincing arguments for getting an NFL franchise:
1. We are a big rich city, except that we need state money to get an NFL team.
2. If you don't think we are a big rich city, you stick things in your ass.
3. My opinion is a fact, and your facts are just your opinion.
3. Also, you must hate us because we have brown skin.
4. Fag


Indeed.

[Obstructed_View]

Red Mccombs says San Antonio can support an NFL team.
Then why didn't he move his NFL team here?

[Marcus Bryant]

All you've proven is what's been known for a while.

San Antonio has a small tv market. Big whoop.

And that San Antonio's per capita isn't the best.

That doesn't prove your opinion.

So STFU about it or come up with something else.


I don't need to "come up with something else" because SA's ranking in those categories is the problem.

Duh.

[TheWriter]

Indeed.

Yep, you and Obstructed are both a number 4. That's been no real secret. But there's nothing wrong with it.

[TheWriter]

I don't need to "come up with something else" because SA's ranking in those categories is the problem.

Duh.

For per capita, sure.

Now check median household income. You won't because you're scared it'll fuck up your little crack pot argument.

[Marcus Bryant]

Then why didn't he move his NFL team here?

We have a winner.

McCombs will play the civic minded businessman every day of the week but at the end of the day he's not going to make a bad move. Moving the Vikings from the Twin Cities to SA would've been a significantly bad move. No telling how much in franchise value that would've wiped out.

[Marcus Bryant]

For per capita, sure.

Now check median household income. You won't because you're scared it'll fuck up your little crack pot argument.


1. Provide a link to the source.
2. Provide data for both SA and every other metro area in the US.
3. Median household income does not account for household size. That's why per capita income is a superior measure to use to measure the level of well-being in a market.

Until you can provide 1 and 2, shut the fuck up.

[TheWriter]

We have a winner.

McCombs will play the civic minded businessman every day of the week but at the end of the day he's not going to make a bad move. Moving the Vikings from the Twin Cities to SA would've been a significantly bad move. No telling how much in franchise value that would've wiped out.

So is that why he was big on getting a team here in the early 90's (when SA's economy was crap compared to now) and would have been the owner of said expansion team.

[2centsworth]

Convincing arguments for getting an NFL franchise:
1. We are a big rich city, except that we need state money to get an NFL team.
2. If you don't think we are a big rich city, you stick things in your ass.
3. My opinion is a fact, and your facts are just your opinion.
3. Also, you must hate us because we have brown skin.
4. Fag
1. we don't need state money, but we'll gladly take it.

2. We're not big and rich but we're one of the fastest growing cities in the country. Throw in a little creative marketing to surrounding areas and this could be a very profitable area for the NFL.

3. No body has the facts regarding the viability of the NFL in San Antonio. Would like to see a study done.

4. To be so closed minded before truly knowing anything reeks of racism to me.

5. What you do on your own time is your business.

[Obstructed_View]

We have a winner.

McCombs will play the civic minded businessman every day of the week but at the end of the day he's not going to make a bad move. Moving the Vikings from the Twin Cities to SA would've been a significantly bad move. No telling how much in franchise value that would've wiped out.
Actually, if memory serves, Red got lifetime concession rights to the Alamodome, so he stands to make a lot of money from any additional events held there. Those that remember when he owned the Spurs know that he has one party's interests in mind when he speaks.

[TheWriter]

1. Provide a link to the source.

I did.


2. Provide data for both SA and every other metro area in the US.

If it were that easy, I would. It's kinda hard to find every single cities 2004 MHI.


3. Median household income does not account for household size.

Then use census data for household size. You seem to love doing so.

[Marcus Bryant]

You have not provided jack. I don't know why you think that if you claim you did people are going to believe you.

But, I know, you think that San Antonio is greatest city on the planet.

That still doesn't make the stats lie.

[TheWriter]

You have not provided jack. I don't know why you think that if you claim you did people are going to believe you.

But, I know, you think that San Antonio is greatest city on the planet.

That still doesn't make the stats lie.

I provided you a link for the MHI number. Don't play stupid now poser.

[Marcus Bryant]

Actually, if memory serves, Red got lifetime concession rights to the Alamodome, so he stands to make a lot of money from any additional events held there. Those that remember when he owned the Spurs know that he has one party's interests in mind when he speaks.


Exactly. If a NFL franchise in SA is such a great investment he would've made it long ago.

[Obstructed_View]

1. we don't need state money, but we'll gladly take it.

2. We're not big and rich but we're one of the fastest growing cities in the country. Throw in a little creative marketing to surrounding areas and this could be a very profitable area for the NFL.

3. No body has the facts regarding the viability of the NFL in San Antonio. Would like to see a study done.

4. To be so closed minded before truly knowing anything reeks of racism to me.

5. What you do on your own time is your business.
Those are your arguments you are refuting. If locked in a room by yourself, would you beat yourself up?

[TheWriter]

Exactly. If a NFL franchise in SA is such a great investment he would've made it long ago.

Again, why was he trying to get a team here, to own mind you, in the early 90's?

He only bought the Vikings because of the fact SA was not given a team.

Explain poser.

[2centsworth]

Exactly. If a NFL franchise in SA is such a great investment he would've made it long ago.To say Red never made an attempt to get an NFL franchise here is absurd. To fit your closed minded opinion you'll try to twist just about everything.


I'm done talking to rocks, it's obvious you know everything.

[Marcus Bryant]

I provided you a link for the MHI number. Don't play stupid now poser.


You did not provide a link to any consistent series nor a series that provided median household income stats for other metro areas.

What you did provide are two numbers from two points in time. There was nothing to indicate if those numbers came from the same series nor how those numbers compared to other markets.

Only a fucking "poser" would think that proves something. You know jack shit about statistics, economics, public administration, finance, development or anything else of substance. All you are good for is posting pics of new fast food restaurants that you ripped off from someone else. Stop wasting space in this forum.

[Marcus Bryant]

To say Red never made an attempt to get an NFL franchise here is absurd. To fit your closed minded opinion you'll try to twist just about everything.

Well, at least you didn't trot out the "racism" card.

[TheWriter]

You did not provide a link to any consistent series nor a series that provided median household income stats for other metro areas.

What you did provide are two numbers from two points in time. There was nothing to indicate if those numbers came from the same series nor how those numbers compared to other markets.

Only a fucking "poser" would think that proves something. You know jack shit about statistics, economics, public administration, finance, development or anything else of substance. All you are good for is posting pics of new fast food restaurants that you ripped off from someone else. Stop wasting space in this forum.

God are you one fucking whiny bitch.

I gave you two links that proved what the MHI was for San Antonio in both 1990 and 2004.

[2centsworth]

Those are your arguments you are refuting. If locked in a room by yourself, would you beat yourself up?
don't be stupid. If you want to jerk off go do it by yourself, I thought we were trying to have a serious discussion.

[Marcus Bryant]

Again, why was he trying to get a team here, to own mind you, in the early 90's?

He only bought the Vikings because of the fact SA was not given a team.

Explain poser.


:yawn

So he had a team in Minnesota and that means he would invest in a team here. Great argument.

[Obstructed_View]

don't be stupid. If you want to jerk off go do it by yourself, I thought we were trying to have a serious discussion.
Calling people fags and racists is a serious discussion? Please. Don't dish it out if you can't take it, you little bitch.

PLONK.

[Marcus Bryant]

God are you one fucking whiny bitch.

I gave you two links that proved what the MHI was for San Antonio in both 1990 and 2004.


Again, those stats are worthless.

[TheWriter]

:yawn

So he had a team in Minnesota and that means he would invest in a team here. Great argument.

What are you smokin'?

He was a driving force in trying to get a expansion team to SA. To own.

Why the fuck would he do that if, by your opinion, SA is an unattractive market. Esp, in the early 90's.

Come on poser, quit dancing around the issue.

[TheWriter]

Again, those stats are worthless.

No more worthless than yours.

[2centsworth]

Well, at least you didn't trot out the "racism" card.

why are you so closed minded? It's just a guess, but the only thing that explains it is you're a white dude who doesn't think highly of Mexicans. Why else would someone be so closed minded?

[Marcus Bryant]

Fuck it. I base an argument on sourced data that is part of a consistent series and includes data for other metro areas so that one can see where San Antonio stacks up.

Those who disagree claim "racism" and use the handle "TheWriter".

[TheWriter]

God does the stench of jealousy from both MB and CV hurt my nose.

[Marcus Bryant]

why are you so closed minded?


I'm not. If I was close minded, as you are, then I wouldn't look to examine an argument with facts and instead resort to calling someone a racist.




It's just a guess, but the only thing that explains it is you're a white dude who doesn't think highly of Mexicans. Why else would someone be so closed minded?

Go fuck yourself. I hate racists and people who can't bring an argument so they have to throw out a "racism" charge.

Obviously you can't formulate a response so you have to resort to shit like that.

Seriously, I thought you were capable of participating in a discussion at a level other than TheWriter. Guess not.

[TheWriter]

Fuck it. I base an argument on sourced data that is part of a consistent series and includes data for other metro areas so that one can see where San Antonio stacks up.

Consistent series of what?

Why does anything need a consistent series?

Oh because it just... wait, it makes no fucking sense.

What's funny, is all the data you're using is from links I PROVIDED.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

God does the stench of jealousy from both MB and CV hurt my nose.


Jealous of what? Someone who can't even make an argument and provide some stats to back it up?

[Marcus Bryant]

Consistent series of what?

Why does anything need a consistent series?

Oh because it just... wait, it makes no fucking sense.




If you have to ask...

[dknights411]

Man, this is entertainig. Anyone have popcorn?

[j-6]

Median household income:
Bexar County, 189th, $39,453.

LA County, 137th, $44,674
Kern County, 176th, $40,438.
Orange County, 48th, $60,118.
Riverside County, 131st, $45,135.
San Bernardino County, 148th, $43,022.
Ventura County, 42nd, $60,948.

Jefferson Parish, 183rd, $39,938.
Orleans Parish, 230th, $28,645.
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Products/Ranking/2003/R07T050.htm

[TheWriter]

If you have to ask...

You series of numbers was for 2000, 2001, 20002.

Whatever.

I get it. But still a series of years with its PCI for that is isn't really more valid than the 2004 number for MHI that I provided for you.

Goddamn are you dumb dumb dumb.

[Marcus Bryant]

Median household income:
Bexar County, 189th, $39,453.

LA County, 137th, $44,674
Kern County, 176th, $40,438.
Orange County, 48th, $60,118.
Riverside County, 131st, $45,135.
San Bernardino County, 148th, $43,022.
Ventura County, 42nd, $60,948.

Jefferson Parish, 183rd, $39,938.
Orleans Parish, 230th, $28,645.
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Products/Ranking/2003/R07T050.htm

Oh no, say it isn't so.

[Marcus Bryant]

You series of numbers was for 2000, 2001, 20002.

Whatever.

I get it. But still a series of years with its PCI for that is isn't really more valid than the 2004 number for MHI that I provided for you.

Goddamn are you dumb dumb dumb.

Again, you provided no way to compare SA's stats relative to other metro areas.

As for the "series", you provided two numbers without any indication that they came from the same series. That is significant because if you want to compare those 2 numbers across time, it does matter that they came from the same series.

Fairly basic to understand.

The only way I am "dumb" is becuase I waste my time responding to your drivel.

[TheWriter]

Again, you provided no way to compare SA's stats relative to other metro areas.

Fairly basic to understand.


And I explained, it's kinda hard to do when there's no one site that lists them all.

Hey, feel free to google all 32 NFL cities if you want or all 30 NBA teams.

[TheWriter]

As for the "series", you provided two numbers without any indication that they came from the same series. That is significant because if you want to compare those 2 numbers across time, it does matter that they came from the same series.

Well, since both are fucking called the Median Household Income, it doesn't take a scientist to figure out they're both from the same series.

Yes, you're dumb.

[Marcus Bryant]

Apparently j-6 didn't have a problem locating some data to show where SA ranks.

Feel free to google a clue.

[TheWriter]

Apparently j-6 didn't have a problem locating some data to show where SA ranks.

Feel free to google a clue.

2003 county stats.

Yeah, had I linked that, you would have asked for the MSA numbers.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, since both are fucking called the Median Household Income, it doesn't take a scientist to figure out they're both from the same series.

That doesn't mean jack. Ooooh, they're called the same thing so they must be from the same series.

Fucking moron.




Yes, you're dumb.

Now that's brilliant. It's small surprise you think about killing yourself often.

[Marcus Bryant]

2003 county stats.

Yeah, had I linked that, you would have asked for the MSA numbers.


Excuses, excuses. Now I'd like a #2 with a coke.

[Marcus Bryant]

Why is it that many San Antonians are so fucking provincial? I grew up in SA and I didn't succumb to this mysterious ailment.

Then again, I actually have lived elsewhere in my life.

[j-6]

Y'know, the only thing I want anyone here to get out of this argument is that SA is relying more on Tom Benson's sentiment for his hometown rather than a calculated business decision.

It's also strange how little the Times, the Register, and the Daily Breeze (and I'm sure there's more, those are just the only three area papers I look at with any regularity)talk about LA's chances at the Saints and focus rather on the efforts of San Antonio.

[TheWriter]

That doesn't mean jack. Ooooh, they're called the same thing so they must be from the same series.

Whatever you want to believe... :lol :lol :lol :lol

[TheWriter]

Excuses, excuses. Now I'd like a #2 with a coke.

Excuses?

That link just proves what I've been saying dumbshit.

[TheWriter]

Why is it that many San Antonians are so fucking provincial? I grew up in SA and I didn't succumb to this mysterious ailment.

Then again, I actually have lived elsewhere in my life.

Get a new word of the day calendar poser.

[TheWriter]

Y'know, the only thing I want anyone here to get out of this argument is that SA is relying more on Tom Benson's sentiment for his hometown rather than a calculated business decision.

By SA, do you mean us on this board or city leaders?

[Marcus Bryant]

Now that was stunning. What we need right now is a pic of the new Arby's on SW Military. That'll prove SA is a city on the rise.

[TheWriter]

Now that was stunning. What we need right now is a pic of the new Arby's on SW Military. That'll prove SA is a city on the rise.

Haha... I'll do you one better, I'll post pictures of the new River North project in NoDo.

How about that?

Or better yet, how about the 1 billion dollar golf resort with a 1,000 room hotel in far north San Antonio.

Or the multiple highrises that will be built next to the Regal Hills development.

Or maybe the The Rim, a new masterplanned development that when finished will cover more than 3 million sq. ft.

But that's really off the top of my noggin.

[Marcus Bryant]

Ah, plagarism at its finest. Don't let Slomo know.

[TheWriter]

Ah, plagarism at its finest. Don't let Slomo know.

Plagiarism is with the written word.

But a smart person like you would know that, right?

:lol :lol

[j-6]

Y'know, usually the first person to enter namecalling into a discussion, at least in real life, is the person losing. That's from my personal expreience, so I can't provide a link.

And really, I don't understand what's so hard about realizing that there are at the very least three markets in the lower 48 more capable of supporting an NFL team than San Antonio that don't have a franchise, including the 2nd biggest in the nation. Or just appreciating the fact that Benson seems to want to relo to the Alamo City despite having better options from a business decision standpoint available.

Finally, I guess I'd put Writer on ignore but I'm scared I'd miss the announcement that Las Palapas was going to start opening on Sundays. So carry on.

[TheWriter]

Or just appreciating the fact that Benson seems to want to relo to the Alamo City despite having better options from a business decision standpoint available.

Yeah, he wants to make less money just so he can breathe San Antonio air, right... :rolleyes

[j-6]

Now that was stunning. What we need right now is a pic of the new Arby's on SW Military. That'll prove SA is a city on the rise.




Haha... I'll do you one better, I'll post pictures of the new River North project in NoDo.

How about that?

Or better yet, how about the 1 billion dollar golf resort with a 1,000 room hotel in far north San Antonio.

Or the multiple highrises that will be built next to the Regal Hills development.

Or maybe the The Rim, a new masterplanned development that when finished will cover more than 3 million sq. ft.

But that's really off the top of my noggin.

:lol

This probably sums up the entire thread. Dude, stop taking you and whatever your city does so fucking seriously.

[Marcus Bryant]

Actually, plagiarism consists of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as your own. Isn't solely limited to the written or typed word.

[TheWriter]

:lol

This probably sums up the entire thread. Dude, stop taking you and whatever your city does so fucking seriously.

Your city? I take it you don't live here.

Which pretty much explains why the only people trying to make SA look bad are the ones who don't live here.

Wow, there's your series of numbers MB.

[TheWriter]

Actually, plagiarism consists of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as your own. Isn't solely limited to the written or typed word.

Damn... let me get something.

Ok, back.

1 entry found for plagiarizing.
pla·gia·rize Audio pronunciation of "plagiarizing" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (plj-rz)
v. pla·gia·rized, pla·gia·riz·ing, pla·gia·riz·es
v. tr.

1. To use and pass off (the ideas or writings of another) as one's own.
2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).


v. intr.

To put forth as original to oneself the ideas or words of another.

[j-6]

Yeah, he wants to make less money just so he can breathe San Antonio air, right... :rolleyes

We already know you're an uber-homer, and I guess that's cool. But if you think Benson can make more money off of the 1.7 million San Antonians he hopes will support his team rather than the 17.5 Angelenos without an NFL franchise, you're on crack. That's an entire order of magnitude for those of you keeping track at home.

[TheWriter]

We already know you're an uber-homer, and I guess that's cool. But if you think Benson can make more money off of the 1.7 million San Antonians he hopes will support his team rather than the 17.5 Angelenos without an NFL franchise, you're on crack. That's an entire order of magnitude for those of you keeping track at home.

I guess that's why two other NFL owners decided to keep their teams in LA... wait, that's right. Both left for much smaller markets.

MUCH smaller markets.

And yeah, them Angelenos are fucking serious about their football! Can't even get a stadium built.

Go LA!

And it's 1.8 million.

[CubanMustGo]

We already know you're an uber-homer, and I guess that's cool. But if you think Benson can make more money off of the 1.7 million San Antonians he hopes will support his team rather than the 17.5 Angelenos without an NFL franchise, you're on crack. That's an entire order of magnitude for those of you keeping track at home.

This is certainly an entertaining discussion. BUT ...

If there is so much money to be made in LA, why is there still no franchise there?

[TheWriter]

This is certainly an entertaining discussion. BUT ...

If there is so much money to be made in LA, why is there still no franchise there?

Because it's TOOO DAMN attractive of a market that it creates its own vortex.

Who wants to touch that?

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn... let me get something.

Ok, back.

1 entry found for plagiarizing.
pla·gia·rize Audio pronunciation of "plagiarizing" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (plj-rz)
v. pla·gia·rized, pla·gia·riz·ing, pla·gia·riz·es
v. tr.

1. To use and pass off (the ideas or writings of another) as one's own.
2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).


v. intr.

To put forth as original to oneself the ideas or words of another.

[j-6]

Your city? I take it you don't live here.

Which pretty much explains why the only people trying to make SA look bad are the ones who don't live here.

Wow, there's your series of numbers MB.

No, I don't. But I did spend about $700 coming down there to go watch the Saints play and gave up a pair of Cowboys tickets in the process to support SA's efforts in getting a team. After all, my tax dollars helped pay for that Dome back in the early 90's.

You should be thanking me for getting off my ass and flying down to support your favorite city's quest for NFL inclusion instead of stat-fucking yourself into oblivion.

[TheWriter]

instead of stat-fucking yourself into oblivion.

Well Marcus has to make a living one way or another.

Now I get what all these "projects" are.

[TheWriter]

I didn't know ideas = pictures.

[Marcus Bryant]

Let's see, you have an idea and you take a picture.

Or you pretend you had that idea while you post another's pic.

[TheWriter]

Let's see, you have an idea and you take a picture.

Or you pretend you had that idea while you post another's pic.

Yeah, again, whatever makes you sleep at night.

[Marcus Bryant]

Images can be plagarized. I don't know why this is hard for you to grasp. Then again, you were caught doing that redhanded.

[TheWriter]

Images can be plagarized. I don't know why this is hard for you to grasp. Then again, you were caught doing that redhanded.

Jesus, even when your dead wrong you can't admit it.

I posted them without premissiona and claimed them as my own. It's called stealing, and I explained myself to Slomo and he was fine with it afterwards when he understood.

So I can give a shit what you think. :fro

[Marcus Bryant]

Citing work as your own ("without permission") as you say, is indeed, plagiarism.

You claimed that you yourself took those pictures. It wasn't a case of you claiming 'hey, here's some pics I found online'. The latter can be constituted as "stealing". The former, plagiarism.

[TheWriter]

Come on, I told you to get a new word of the day calendar. Call me a pirate, call me a thief, something other than an incorrect term for claiming pictures that were not mine.

[Marcus Bryant]

You do understand why photographs are copyrighted, right?

If you pass off a photograph as your own, that is plagiarism.

[TheWriter]

You do understand why photographs are copyrighted, right?

If you pass off a photograph as your own, that is plagiarism.


Plagiarism is of the written word. You call me hard headed?

[Marcus Bryant]

:rolleyes

Here you go, since you clearly need a little help...


"Thus, for example, plagiarism can include copying language or ideas from another novelist, basing a new song in large part on another's musical composition, or copying another artist's drawing or photograph." (Definition used with permission (Feb 29, 2000) from The West Group, West's Encyclopedia of American Law.)

source (http://www.uwplatt.edu/library/reference/plagiarism.html)

[TheWriter]

:rolleyes

Here you go, since you clearly need a little help...



source (http://www.uwplatt.edu/library/reference/plagiarism.html)

:lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

[TheWriter]

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You guys need to stop beating around the bush and just come out and say you don't think a predominately Mexican society can afford an NFL team. Maybe you think we're uneducated and there's no future here. Don't be panzy asses and just come out and say how you feel.

We have the best team in the NBA with no sign of slowing down there and aren't within 5000 seats per game of selling out a 17,797 seat stadium.

And yet you think people are getting racial about questioning where all the long term support is going to come from the same demographic when asked to fill out a 65,000 seat stadium?

Wake the fuck up and quit playing the ignorant race card.

[TheWriter]

We have the best team in the NBA with no sign of slowing down there and aren't within 5000 seats per game of selling out a 17,797 seat stadium.

Huh now?

The Spurs in the SBC Center (3 seasons) have an average of 98% capacity.

Last season they had a 99% capacity with 18,316 a game in a 18,500 seat arena.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I am talking about season ticket sales. Yes, I know capacity is 98% since the SBC opened thank you, I'm talking about guaranteed gate for the team every game.

[TheWriter]

I am talking about season ticket sales. Yes, I know capacity is 98% since the SBC opened thank you, I'm talking about guaranteed gate for the team every game.

What are ticket season sales?

Last time I heard, it was some 10k or more.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Can you read?


aren't within 5000 seats per game of selling out a 17,797 seat stadium.

That comes straight from a Spurs ticket staffer I've been talking to about season tickets.

Like I said, you're only guaranteed 13K a game in a 18K stadium with the best team in hoops playing in it, and you're thinking it's going to be so fucking easy to fill up a 65K stadium for an NFL team that's only hopes of going to the Super Bowl any time soon is if their agents can hook them up with seats.

[TheWriter]

Can you read?



That comes straight from a Spurs ticket staffer I've been talking to about season tickets.

Like I said, you're only guaranteed 13K a game in a 18K stadium with the best team in hoops playing in it, and you're thinking it's going to be so fucking easy to fill up a 65K stadium for an NFL team that's only hopes of going to the Super Bowl any time soon is if their agents can hook them up with seats.

13k and your bitching?

Man, give me two teams that have sales outs every day based on season ticket sales.

[Marcus Bryant]

Um, these are the 3 time champs in a city without any other major pro sports franchise.

[TheWriter]

Um, these are the 3 time champs in a city without any other major pro sports franchise.


So that means... what?

99% capacity last seaon.

The Lakers couldn't even get sale out seasons during their 00-02 three-peat run.

Give it up.

[TheWriter]

Neither could the Bulls during their three-peats.

[TheWriter]

Oh, and neither could the Jazz during their two final appearance seasons.

[Marcus Bryant]

Despite the Spurs being the only game in town, coming off a championship season (and 3 in the last 7 seasons) and being the winningest franchise in American pro sports since 1997 or whatever, they are still struggling to sell season ticket packages in wonderful San Antonio.

That's the what, dumbfuck.

[TheWriter]

Despite the Spurs being the only game in town, coming off a championship season (and 3 in the last 7 seasons) and being the winningest franchise in American pro sports since 1997 or whatever, they are still struggling to sell season ticket packages in wonderful San Antonio.

That's the what, dumbfuck.

13k is struggling?

Boy are you a dipshit gigantore.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You're the dipshit Buddy Holly. 13K in a town the size of SA, and you've already got yourself convinced that somehow this city is going to support a lotto NFL team in a 65K stadium :lol

[TheWriter]

You're the dipshit Buddy Holly. 13K in a town the size of SA, and you've already got yourself convinced that somehow this city is going to support a lotto NFL team in a 65K stadium :lol

Aggie, give me two cities/teams that have over 15,000 season ticket sales, hell, give me the name of any NBA team that has its entire season tickets sold out.

Come on, do it Dipshit Jr.

[Marcus Bryant]

What the fuck? This is the San Antonio we are talking about, aren't we? Surely San Antonio would be able to sell 15k in season tickets, especially given that you have the winningiest pro sports franchise over the last 7 seasons and one that has won 3 titles in the last 7 seasons...especially in a market with only one pro franchise.

[TheWriter]

What the fuck? This is the San Antonio we are talking about, aren't we? Surely San Antonio would be able to sell 15k in season tickets, especially given that you have the winningiest pro sports franchise over the last 7 seasons and one that has won 3 titles in the last 7 seasons...especially in a market with only one pro franchise.

Haha, get a life virgin who has nothing else than try to belittle a city he is more than likely subconsciously envious of.

If you'd like to round up the numbers that prove San Antonio is at the bottom of the list for season ticket holders, then be my guest. You seem to not have a life and all the time on your hand to do so.

[Marcus Bryant]

Haha, get a life virgin who has nothing else than try to belittle a city he is more than likely subconsciously envious of.

Why would I be "envious" of a city? That's redneck dumb.

Virgin? Well I'm not the one rubbing his dick about new retail developments on the Southside.



If you'd like to round up the numbers that prove San Antonio is at the bottom of the list for season ticket holders, then be my guest. You seem to not have a life and all the time on your hand to do so.

Funny, that sounds like you.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Neither could the Bulls during their three-peats.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/tickets/


In 1987, the Bulls were 40-42. The next year they won 50 games and began a sellout streak that lasted 13 years.

Shut the fuck up you fat fuck.


Man, give me two teams that have sales outs every day based on season ticket sales.

Michigan - 110,000
Tennessee - 108,000
Notre Dame - 86,000
Ohio State - 114,000

There's four, dumbass.

You want pro hoops? The Miami Heat stopped taking season ticket orders in July. The Sacramento Kings had something like 6 straight years of completely sold Arco Arena ball to profit from.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/heat/content/sports/epaper/2005/10/09/a1b_PBP_DOLLARS_1009.html


Now consider that even amid a 4-12 season last year, the Dolphins sold out every home game,

(That's 75K in Miami for the Dolphins)

STFU you ignorant twit.

BTW, that's just five minutes on Google, I know there's more.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

For some reason Buddy the Bitch sure got quiet. :lol

[TheWriter]

http://www.nba.com/bulls/tickets/

Wanna explain why the Bulls attendance fluctuates more than your blood pessure?

http://www.kenn.com/sports/basketball/nba/nba_chi_attendance.html



Shut the fuck up you fat fuck.

Very mature Mr. Aggie, but then I'd expect ni better from an Aggie.

And stooping to the level of calling someone fat who isn't, is like me calling Marcus black even though for a long while he pretended to be.

Well. you stooped to my level.




Michigan - 110,000
Tennessee - 108,000
Notre Dame - 86,000
Ohio State - 114,000

There's four, dumbass.

Those are NBA basketball teams?

Guess I'm not the dumbass after all.


You want pro hoops? The Miami Heat stopped taking season ticket orders in July. The Sacramento Kings had something like 6 straight years of completely sold Arco Arena ball to profit from.

You mean the Heat with Shaq? How bad ass were their tickets sales two seasons ago?

The Kings are the only team in the NBA you can say that about. And show me where that's all due to season tickets sales and not individual seat sales.


STFU you ignorant twit.

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

[TheWriter]

For some reason Buddy the Bitch sure got quiet. :lol

It's called a life. Check them out, they're pretty cool.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Those are NBA basketball teams?


All you said was "show me teams". I did.



You mean the Heat with Shaq? How bad ass were their tickets sales two seasons ago?

So now you've got to start reaching for time limits because you looked like a dumbass?


Wanna explain why the Bulls attendance fluctuates more than your blood pessure?

:lol

Psstt, ever heard of the United Center? It wasn't there when Jordan first started playing.

http://espn.go.com/nba/s/2001/0925/1255329.html


Michael Jordan is one of the best sellers of tickets in the world.

Just ask the Chicago Bulls, who sold out 610 consecutive games over a 13-year period.


Certainly, the Bulls had no trouble selling tickets with No. 23 in their lineup. They sold out every home game from Nov. 20, 1987 to Nov. 7, 2000, almost two years after Jordan's retirement

I'm supposed to go with kenn.com, whoever the fuck that is, over NBA.com and ESPN? :lmao

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's called a life. Check them out, they're pretty cool.

Big words from a kid whose life was consumed with building bridges and highways on the southwest side. :lol

[TheWriter]

Big words from a kid whose life was consumed with building bridges and highways on the southwest side. :lol

It's called a hobby. Find one.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I've got a couple, one in particular is called women. You should look into that, it sure beats beating off to the American Highways Magazine Centerfold of the Month.

[TheWriter]

All you said was "show me teams". I did.




So now you've got to start reaching for time limits because you looked like a dumbass?

No, but the reason for the sale outs is simple, a very very marketable bandwagon player. Not their sudden dedication to the sport.



Psstt, ever heard of the United Center? It wasn't there when Jordan first started playing.

http://espn.go.com/nba/s/2001/0925/1255329.html


Pssst, ever heard of him playing in the UC during the second three-peat? Because he did, and the numbers jump up and down during those three years.



I'm supposed to go with kenn.com, whoever the fuck that is, over NBA.com and ESPN? :lmao

Both KENN and Basketball-Reference support the same numbers.

They seem to match ESPN's numbers:

http://www.kenn.com/sports/basketball/nba/nba_chi_attendance.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/attendance?year=2003

[TheWriter]

I've got a couple, one in particular is called women. You should look into that, it sure beats beating off to the American Highways Magazine Centerfold of the Month.

I'll tell my girlfriend about that magazine. Maybe we can get a little hot and bothered together while reading it.

I'll wait for some more of your wicked cleverness...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

is simple, a very very marketable bandwagon player. Not their sudden dedication to the sport.


Exactly, and the Saints don't exactly have a Michael Vick around to invigorate the masses while they go 6-10.

Thanks for proving my point.

Oh, and Rosy Palms doesn't count as a girlfriend.

[TheWriter]

Exactly, and the Saints don't exactly have a Michael Vick around to invigorate the masses while they go 6-10.

Thanks for proving my point.

Proving what point? That very marketable players sell tickets. That's pretty common sports logic.

But than again, there's always exceptions, ie, the Houston Rockets.



Oh, and Rosy Palms doesn't count as a girlfriend.

There's that wicked cleverness.

You should really write for Leno, that's how funny you are.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Proving what point? That very marketable players sell tickets. That's pretty common sports logic.

And it's pretty common knowledge the Saints don't have anyone like that, and yet somehow you still think 65K will fill up the 'Dome when the Spurs, who have 3 world championships, the best player in the game, and the league's most marketable Spanish star can't even pull consistent sellouts.

Thanks for proving my point.

[TheWriter]

And it's pretty common knowledge the Saints don't have anyone like that, and yet somehow you still think 65K will fill up the 'Dome

Football is football, you go to enjoy it 8 times a year. I can see them selling out the Dome or coming near every game because its 8 games once a year in a city that cares more about football than basketball.



when the Spurs, who have 3 world championships, the best player in the game, and the league's most marketable Spanish star can't even pull consistent sellouts.

99% capacity and season ticket sells in the teens of thousands year in and year out and you still have the balls to bitch?

[Marcus Bryant]

Where the fuck is all of this extra income going to come from to make this happen? No change in the Spurs' gate as well as sellouts for Saints games?

Oh, I know, the state will buy season tickets for all. :rolleyes

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

1.2 million people in SA and only 13K committing to the Spurs for a season. I'm not bitching, I'm stating the facts.

[TheWriter]

1.2 million people in SA and only 13K committing to the Spurs for a season. I'm not bitching, I'm stating the facts.

Stating what fact that in a city of 1.2 million (1.8 metro) so fat only 13k have bought season tickets.

Thank you for stating the facts.

What the fuck does that prove, nothing.

If no one bought season tickets than you'd have a case.

[Marcus Bryant]

1.2 million people in SA and only 13K committing to the Spurs for a season. I'm not bitching, I'm stating the facts.

But it's 1.25 mil if you count Poteet! [/dumbass]

[Marcus Bryant]

Stating what fact that in a city of 1.2 million (1.8 metro) so fat only 13k have bought season tickets.

Thank you for stating the facts.

What the fuck does that prove, nothing.

If no one bought season tickets than you'd have a case.


Damn you are one dumb motherfucker.

[TheWriter]

Where the fuck is all of this extra income going to come from to make this happen? No change in the Spurs' gate as well as sellouts for Saints games?

What extra income?

jesus Christ poser, get off your fixated "San Antonio is poor" trip.

I've provided you with the numbers, over 30,000 making an average of $77,000 a year, another 30,000 making $55,000 a year and those are just two examples of many.

Quit living in 1990.

[Marcus Bryant]

Your numbers are bullshit you little JuCo reject. San Antonio is not a large market today. That's painfully obvious for those who look for credible sources of information, not shit they recalled reading in an article 3 years ago.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

For the dumbass in the audience (aka, Captain Highway)...

Only 13K feel they have the disposable income to shell out for the Spurs, a three time world champ with the best player in the game and the league's brightest Spanish speaking star.

Now to that same demographic you're going to add a team with 65K seats to fill.

Something's got to give.

[TheWriter]

Damn you are one dumb motherfucker.

No, you are. Since you can't detect sarcasm.

So please get off my dick poser. It's starting to scare me. Your obsession with me and the city of San Antonio is down right nerve racking.

[TheWriter]

Your numbers are bullshit you little JuCo reject. San Antonio is not a large market today. That's painfully obvious for those who look for credible sources of information, not shit they recalled reading in an article 3 years ago.

My numbers are bullshit? I linked the fucking numbers. And Shoogar read the fucking numbers.

You're the cock face who's full of shit.

[TheWriter]

Only 13K feel they have the disposable income to shell out for the Spurs, a three time world champ with the best player in the game and the league's brightest Spanish speaking star.

So because 13k so far have bought season tickets, in your world that means only 13 k can buy them?

My parents have more than enough disposable income, have since I was born, and to date they've bought zero season tickets.

And they're huge Spurs fans (not my mom so much).

Your senseless logic is fucking stupid.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well then you must be a flipping genius and are not flipping burgers down at the local Burger King.

Yeah right.

[Marcus Bryant]

So because 13k so far have bought season tickets, in your world that means only 13 k can buy them?

My parents have more than enough disposable income, have since I was born, and to date they've bought zero season tickets.

And they're huge Spurs fans (not my mom so much).

Your senseless logic is fucking stupid.


That bill with Jackson on it is only a twenty.

[TheWriter]

Well then you must be a flipping genius and are not flipping burgers down at the local Burger King.

Yeah right.

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_7240.htm

There are your flippin' numbers.

And they don't even tell the whole truth. Seeing how they don't include 4 od the 8 counties that make up the San Antonio MSA.

[TheWriter]

That bill with Jackson on it is only a twenty.

I'm sure it is.

And you say I'm not funny. THAT'S fucking funny.

[Marcus Bryant]

Care to quote what part of that link actually supports the numbers?

I know, you can't, because it doesn't. However you managed to trip over that link, it's obvious it was by accident because you have no clue what that data covers.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Great, people have disposable income. But the market has obviously reached saturation WRT Spurs season ticket sales.

And again, the whole point for your nappy ass is that there aren't enough people in this town with disposable income predisposed to spending it on sports teams to cover both teams.

[Marcus Bryant]

So what's the latest topic of discussion over at the NSYNC forum? "Why San Antonio is the Bestest City in All of the World"?

You are one weird fucking gimp.

[TheWriter]

Care to quote what part of that link actually supports the numbers?

I know, you can't, because it doesn't. However you managed to trip over that link, it's obvious it was by accident because you have no clue what that data covers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/TimManuParker/MBOWNED.png

I really am tired of owning you. But so it continues.

[TheWriter]

Great, people have disposable income. But the market has obviously reached saturation WRT Spurs season ticket sales.

And again, the whole point for your nappy ass is that there aren't enough people in this town with disposable income predisposed to spending it on sports teams to cover both teams.

And so the endless and senseless bitching continues forth on!

[TheWriter]

Another ownage picture for MB:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/TimManuParker/MBOWNED2.png

[Marcus Bryant]

So 30K individuals have a mean income of $70K?

:lol

Look out Memphis, here we come!

But I guess $70k seems like a lot to you.

[TheWriter]

Some more ownage:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/TimManuParker/SOMEMOREOWNAGE.png

[TheWriter]

So 30K individuals have a mean income of $70K?

:lol

Look out Memphis, here we come!

But I guess $70k seems like a lot to you.

So predictable... you ask for the proof only to spin it like a rubber ducky in the bath.

Do you think the bath water when you're done?

[Marcus Bryant]

The number that is of greater significance in that link is the estimate that shows that the SA MSA has roughly 700K individuals pulling down 30 grand a year on average.

That's not that impressive. Of course, what really matters is where the SA MSA ranks among all other MSAs.

Once that's posted, then you'd be "owned" yet again.

[Marcus Bryant]

Is that not like you, you ask for the proof only to spin it like a rubber ducky in the bath.

Do you think the bath water when you're done?


Spin what? 30K people with an average income of 70 grand in a MSA of 1.5+ million people is nothing. That's not enough to pin the hope of 2 major franchises on. Shit, kids with a couple of years out of undergrad are making 70 large a year in this country, if not more.

[TheWriter]

The number that is of greater significance in that link is the estimate that shows that the SA MSA has roughly 700K individuals pulling down 30 grand a year on average.

That's not that impressive. Of course, what really matters is where the SA MSA ranks among all other MSAs.

Once that's posted, then you'd be "owned" yet again.

Again, those numbers aren't telling a full story seeing how they did not include four of the eight counties that make up San Antonio's MSA. 4 counties that combined have a total population of more than 120,000.

[Marcus Bryant]

Again, these numbers mean nothng unless you compare them with other markets. That's not spin that's reality.

[TheWriter]

Indy with 873,080 jobs and a $36,110 income.

They seem to be doing jolly with both an NFL and NBA team.

And like I said, that list is excluding thousands of jobs for San Antonio.

[Marcus Bryant]

In the Austin-San Marcos MSA, in that same survey, there were 37K individuals per the BLS estimates with an average income of $94K among "management occupations".

Dallas? 102K making $94 a year.

And on and on.

[TheWriter]

In the Austin-San Marcos MSA, in that same survey, there were 37K individuals per the BLS estimates with an average income of $94K among "management occupations".

Dallas? 102K making $94 a year.

And on and on.

Oh wow... so?

[Marcus Bryant]

Again, those numbers aren't telling a full story seeing how they did not include four of the eight counties that make up San Antonio's MSA. 4 counties that combined have a total population of more than 120,000.

Oh give me a fucking break. Atascosa County is going to tip the scales, eh?

Just go.

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh wow... so?


That's what the employment stats from a couple of MSAs in the state look like in the same category as you listed for the SA MSA.

[TheWriter]

Oh give me a fucking break. Atascosa County is going to tip the scales, eh?

Just go.

Who said that?

Not only is it Atascosa, but Medina, Bandera, and Kendall.

You can't fucking ignore 130,000 plus people.

[TheWriter]

That's what the employment stats from a couple of MSAs in the state look like in the same category as you listed for the SA MSA.

Ok and that has to do with this thread... how?

[Marcus Bryant]

Houston, TX PMSA with 2 million employed with an estimated average income of $40K.

That's what a multiple team market looks like.

[Marcus Bryant]

Who said that?

Not only is it Atascosa, but Medina, Bandera, and Kendall.

You can't fucking ignore 130,000 plus people.


That's nothing. What, are they all making $70 grand a year? :lol

So long, dilsnick.

[TheWriter]

Houston, TX PMSA with 2 million employed with an estimated average income of $40K.

That's what a multiple team market looks like.

Really? I thought I just posted a multiple teams city's numbers and they looked nothing like that.

Pssst... try again.

[TheWriter]

That's nothing. What, are they all making $70 grand a year? :lol

So long, dilsnick.

132,000 is nothing?

In what world? The world of "belittling San Antonio because I can't find any hookers."

If so, cool.

[Marcus Bryant]

Indianapolis is a regional market and their corporate base puts SA's to shame.

[Marcus Bryant]

132,000 is nothing?

In what world? The world of "belittling San Antonio because I can't find any hookers."

If so, cool.

130K people in some rural TX counties doesn't mean jack.

[TheWriter]

Indianapolis is a regional market and their corporate base puts SA's to shame.

Their corporate base does what?

SBC, Valero, Tesero, HEB, Clear Channel, SWBC, Rackspace, NewTek, and so on.

Come on, give it up poser.

You're just so sad. I pity you.

[TheWriter]

130K people in some rural TX counties doesn't mean jack.

Rural?

Yeah, people who make really good money don't live in the hill country! How outrageous!

[TheWriter]

48,000 people live within 5 miles of Boerne as of 2001. 62,000 by 2011.

Not very "rural."

[Marcus Bryant]

Their corporate base does what?

SBC, Valero, Tesero, HEB, Clear Channel, SWBC, Rackspace, NewTek, and so on.

Wow. I can count those on one hand.




Come on, give it up poser.

You're just so sad. I pity you.

Funny, I'm not the JuCo dropout making 20K a year carrying an unhealthy obsession with San Antonio.

[TheWriter]

Like I said.

Would you like to state exactly who is HQ'd out of Indy? Or do you like pussy footing around the issue?

[Marcus Bryant]

Rural?

Yeah, people who make really good money don't live in the hill country! How outrageous!

Medina County is part of the hills? That's a new one.

[Marcus Bryant]

HQs don't matter, moron. What matters are those firms with actual operations there. Clear Channel's 100 people or whatever at HQ is nothing.

[TheWriter]

Medina County is part of the hills? That's a new one.

Ever been to Medina Lake? Pretty damn hilly.

And I am still waiting for the list of corporate names...

[TheWriter]

HQs don't matter, moron. What matters are those firms with actual operations there. Clear Channel's 100 people or whatever at HQ is nothing.

So then... list what you have...

Because all I listed was comapnies that are HQ'd in San Antonio. And those were just off the top of my head.

Again, quit being a vague little bitoch.

[Marcus Bryant]

:lol

That's not a part of the Hill Country you dumb little fuck.

[TheWriter]

:lol

That's not a part of the Hill Country you dumb little fuck.

I really hate the fact that I keep owning you,

http://www.texasmonthly.com/images/travel/hill_map.gif

[Marcus Bryant]

Fuck, he is that stupid.

OK, San Antonio is the bestest city in the world because TheWriter has said so here on the internets.

You know what? Complete your GED, go to SAC and then actually join an employment category.

-MB

[TheWriter]

Fuck, he is that stupid.

OK, San Antonio is the bestest city in the world because TheWriter has said so here on the internets.

You know what? Complete your GED, go to SAC and then actually join an employment category.

-MB

Like always, you get owned, lay some weak smack down to save face and then exit stage left.

Should we expect an encore?

[Marcus Bryant]

You don't even "own" a cent to your name. You seem to think that verb means something. I guess if you are still repeating high school it does.

[TheWriter]

You don't even "own" a cent to your name. You seem to think that verb means something. I guess if you are still repeating high school it does.

Same weak smack.

Move on, nothing to see here.

[Marcus Bryant]

Like always, you get owned, lay some weak smack down to save face and then exit stage left.

Should we expect an encore?

Actually, I just come and go as I please and wade through a lot of stupid comments that you've dropped.

[TheWriter]

Actually, I just come and go as I please and wade through a lot of stupid comments that you've dropped.

More weak smack.

I feel like a broken record.

[Marcus Bryant]

Anyways, so it's clear that San Antonio's economic base relative to the other major Texas metro areas is subpar.

It's also clear that BuddyHolly/TheWriter lives at home with his parents and can google employment stats...unfortunately he cannot google himself a job.

[Marcus Bryant]

More weak smack.

I feel like a broken record.


That's because you are...

"San Antonio is so great because I live here and I've never lived anywhere else and it's the greatest city in the world and I take pictures of it and dream about it every day."

[TheWriter]

Anyways, so it's clear that San Antonio's economic base relative to the other major Texas metro areas is subpar.

Ouch that hurt. :lol

Go watch one of your minor leage teams.



It's also clear that BuddyHolly/TheWriter lives at home with his parents and can google employment stats...unfortunately he cannot google himself a job.

W-E-A-K

I've heard 4th graders use better cuts on each other.

[TheWriter]

That's because you are...

"San Antonio is so great because I live here and I've never lived anywhere else and it's the greatest city in the world and I take pictures of it and dream about it every day."

Uber weak.

You might break the world's "weakest insult/cut down/smack" record.

[Louae]

Again, those numbers aren't telling a full story seeing how they did not include four of the eight counties that make up San Antonio's MSA. 4 counties that combined have a total population of more than 120,000.

dumbass. pullup the Austin-San Marcos numbers and compare those same numbers to the ones you copied and pasted on this board. Then STFU.

My god, this stupidity is killing. Open your eyes for peats sake.

[TheWriter]

dumbass. pullup the Austin-San Marcos numbers and compare those same numbers to the ones you copied and pasted on this board. Then STFU.

My god, this stupidity is killing. Open your eyes for peats sake.


Yeah, the fact it doesn't include 130,000 people in 4 counties that make up the San Antonio MSA shouldn't matter, huh? :rolleyes

[SA210]

San Antonio IS the Greatest and will be a whole lot better. I love my city. And we deserve a team and can support it.