boutons wants a $52,000 a year minimum wage

[AaronY]

Never forget :lmao

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267156&page=44&p=9112176&highlight=#fightforfifteen#post9112176

$52k a year :lmao

[boutons_deux]

$25K, dyslexic asshole, G F Y and your look-at-me threads

[baseline bum]

Could you imagine $52,000 a year for a job where your biggest stress would be making sure to pull the fries out the oil when the buzzer sounds?

[baseline bum]

$25K, dyslexic asshole, G F Y and your look-at-me threads

You were arguing for $25 an hour

25 dollar/hour * 40 hour/week * 52 week/year = 52000 dollar/year

[spurraider21]

If you subtract holidays you're looking closer to 50k flat

[baseline bum]

If you subtract holidays you're looking closer to 50k flat

No, they get paid vacations at McDonalds in boutons' America.

[spurraider21]

No, they get paid vacations at McDonalds in boutons' America.
:lol

[Chucho]

:lmao:lmao

This fucking moron.:lmao

[baseline bum]

:lol

They're also eight weeks, not two.

[AaronY]

$25K, dyslexic asshole, G F Y and your look-at-me threads


liar. thats only like $12 an hour meaning you think Bernie is going too far with his $15 minimum wage which there's no way you really think that knowing you. In that thread you literally said $25 and it was referencing another thread where you had said $25 earlier and two people remembered it

[Chucho]

I wonder what he does for a living.

[boutons_deux]

You were arguing for $25 an hour

25 dollar/hour * 40 hour/week * 52 week/year = 52000 dollar/year

ah right, so $50K/year it is.

1% of Americans own as much the bottom 50 fucking %, or some shit like that.

Bezos + Gates + Buffet own whatever as much as the bottom whatever.

I think that is way more than enough, so fuck the 1%, since they get their wealth buy fucking the 99%.

you assholes have been lulled into normalizing the abnormal, accepting the insanity as sane.

And y'all still think America isn't fucked, isn't unfuckable.

The Repug House tax scam won't get passed verbatim by the Repug Senate, but for whatever does get passed, you can be damn sure the oligarchy will get theirs and fuck all of us.

And we can't do a damn thing about it.

Minimum wage at $50K / year? why the fuck not? the oligarchy makes $10Ks PER FUCKING HOUR, and evades paying taxes on it.

[Chucho]

ah right, so $50K/year it is.

1% of Americans own as much the bottom 50 fucking %, or some shit like that.

Bezos + Gates + Buffet own whatever as much as the bottom whatever.

I think that is way more than enough, so fuck the 1%, since they get their wealth buy fucking the 99%.

you assholes have been lulled into normalizing the abnormal, accepting the insanity as sane.

And y'all still think America isn't fucked, isn't unfuckable.

The Repug House tax scam won't get passed verbatim by the Repug Senate, but for whatever does get passed, you can be damn sure the oligarchy will get theirs and fuck all of us.

And we can't do a damn thing about it.

Minimum wage at $50K / year? why the fuck not? the oligarchy makes $10Ks PER FUCKING HOUR, and evades paying taxes on it.

Liberal Cosmo.

[SpursforSix]

ah right, so $50K/year it is.

1% of Americans own as much the bottom 50 fucking %, or some shit like that.

Bezos + Gates + Buffet own whatever as much as the bottom whatever.

I think that is way more than enough, so fuck the 1%, since they get their wealth buy fucking the 99%.

you assholes have been lulled into normalizing the abnormal, accepting the insanity as sane.

And y'all still think America isn't fucked, isn't unfuckable.

The Repug House tax scam won't get passed verbatim by the Repug Senate, but for whatever does get passed, you can be damn sure the oligarchy will get theirs and fuck all of us.

And we can't do a damn thing about it.

Minimum wage at $50K / year? why the fuck not? the oligarchy makes $10Ks PER FUCKING HOUR, and evades paying taxes on it.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/obama.gif

[SpursforSix]

LOL...don't show this one to Avante

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/690/543/a14.gif

[boutons_deux]

“No matter what you do, no matter how hard you try, you're screwed because it's all fixed and rigged. There is a club and you ain't in it.”
― George Carlin (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/22782.George_Carlin)

[RandomGuy]

Liberal Cosmo.

Gini coefficient

[RandomGuy]

https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/imce-images/us_inequality.jpg

[RandomGuy]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/app/uploads/2015/02/Urban.WealthPercentiles1-1024x490.jpg

[baseline bum]

ah right, so $50K/year it is.

1% of Americans own as much the bottom 50 fucking %, or some shit like that.

Bezos + Gates + Buffet own whatever as much as the bottom whatever.

I think that is way more than enough, so fuck the 1%, since they get their wealth buy fucking the 99%.

you assholes have been lulled into normalizing the abnormal, accepting the insanity as sane.

And y'all still think America isn't fucked, isn't unfuckable.

The Repug House tax scam won't get passed verbatim by the Repug Senate, but for whatever does get passed, you can be damn sure the oligarchy will get theirs and fuck all of us.

And we can't do a damn thing about it.

Minimum wage at $50K / year? why the fuck not? the oligarchy makes $10Ks PER FUCKING HOUR, and evades paying taxes on it.

Let's make the minimum wage $100 per hour. Then everyone could make six figures with 20 hour work weeks.

[RandomGuy]

But that is wealth.

What about income?

http://www.the-crises.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/income-inequality-usa-05.jpg

[RandomGuy]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2339774/thumbs/o-AFTERTAX-INCOME-570.jpg?6

[RandomGuy]

Let's make the minimum wage $100 per hour. Then everyone could make six figures with 20 hour work weeks.

US companies have been hugely profitable.

The money they have been getting has been going into really useless stock buybacks, that do nothing but pump up stock prices.

In the past unions would have leverage to ask for more money, but that is gone now. Management of US companies is free to run companies solely for the benefit of management.

You joke, but the doom and gloom predictions of conservatives wherever the minimum wage has grown have failed to appear.

We have been trying failed conservative "ideas" for a while now, and have shit to show for it.

[Chucho]

US companies have been hugely profitable.

The money they have been getting has been going into really useless stock buybacks, that do nothing but pump up stock prices.

In the past unions would have leverage to ask for more money, but that is gone now. Management of US companies is free to run companies solely for the benefit of management.

You joke, but the doom and gloom predictions of conservatives wherever the minimum wage has grown have failed to appear.

We have been trying failed conservative "ideas" for a while now, and have shit to show for it.

And the raising minimum wage here in CA isn't helping either. And it's KILLING SMBs. Case in point, we have about 30 FTEs here in Cali and about 20 in Boise and we just opened Boise on May 1st.

Just guess which spot has better retention because we can be competitive and can reward employees who deserve it with raises?

Just guess which office we're netting the most from percentage wise and straight dollar amount?

[SpursforSix]

We have been trying failed conservative "ideas" for a while now, and have shit to show for it.

IDK. I've got a house, stuff to eat, electronic shit, streaming movies. It's aight. I sure don't want to go to work everyday just to pay for some freeloader to have a pair of Beats.

[Chucho]

IDK. I've got a house, stuff to eat, electronic shit, streaming movies. It's aight. I sure don't want to go to work everyday just to pay for some freeloader to have a pair of Beats.

They'd deserve better, tbh.

[boutons_deux]

Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett have more wealth than half the population of the US combined

Microsoft (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=MSFT) co-founder Bill Gates (https://www.cnbc.com/bill-gates/),

Amazon (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=AMZN) founder Jeff Bezos (https://www.cnbc.com/jeff-bezos/) and

Berkshire Hathaway (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=BRK.A) CEO Warren Buffett (https://www.cnbc.com/warren-buffett/)

have collectively more wealth

than the 160 million poorest Americans, or half the population of the United States.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/09/gates-bezos-buffett-have-more-wealth-than-half-the-us-combined.html

Just three motherfuckers.

And you asshole Repugs voted in the Repug Congress who intend to make it all better for the motherfuckers and make it worse for everybody else.

You assholes, as "everybody else", are fucking insane masochists.

[Chucho]

Go corner an industry with a product everyone wants. Go create an industry onto itself. Become the financial wizard of your time and you can be on the other side.

[boutons_deux]

“The things they don't tell you in schools these days, geez.

Have a look at your owners.

The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice.

You don't.

You have no choice;

you have owners.

They own you.

They own everything.”

― George Carlin (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/22782.George_Carlin)

[DMC]

This wealth ceiling people imagine is painted with laziness and apathy. That's why they cannot see through it.

[AaronY]

I wonder what he does for a living.

Trust fund baby was the best guess last time I asked

[Chucho]

This wealth ceiling people imagine is painted with laziness and apathy. That's why they cannot see through it.

No. No, no. That's not it. It's a conspiracy to continue to control EVERYONE that isn't rich. It's by design. The Republicans are conspiring against the entire population to keep them down. It has nothing to do with work ethic, entrepreneurship and effort. Everyone deserves to have everything producers in the economy deserves, regardless of how much or how little they contribute, but the Repugs just hold everyone back and hoard the cash supply.

[spurraider21]

“The things they don't tell you in schools these days, geez.

Have a look at your owners.

The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice.

You don't.

You have no choice;

you have owners.

They own you.

They own everything.”

― George Carlin (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/22782.George_Carlin)


You also agree with him on environmentalism?

[Chucho]

Boots, what do you do for a living you faggot?

[SpursforSix]

They'd deserve better, tbh.

Believe me...if everyone could just have a pair of premium Beats to chill out to...the discontent level in this country would be almost zero.
But just don't expect me to pay for the Beats. Maybe they should quit eating at McDonalds for one month and use that money more wisely.

[Chucho]

Believe me...if everyone could just have a pair of premium Beats to chill out to...the discontent level in this country would be almost zero.
But just don't expect me to pay for the Beats. Maybe they should quit eating at McDonalds for one month and use that money more wisely.


Come to my neck of the woods one day. You'll never see so many sharp dressed people living in the shits. Filthy neighborhoods and homes but nice clothing, Jordan sneaks, phones y todo chingas. It's crazy. How could you put material possessions in front of your homestead? Maybe it's just me.

And yeah, I agree. Pass the pot around and throw some headphones on and relax.

[boutons_deux]

You also agree with him on environmentalism?

what's he say?

he's cynical. the earth isn't going anywhere, but humans gonna expire (kill themselves) like millions of other dead end species.

Considering how badly the global environment is going, how the population keep increasing, how the oligarchy blocks all solutions, I'd say Bs of humans, if not all, are doomed to death-by-environment by the 2100.

[baseline bum]

US companies have been hugely profitable.

The money they have been getting has been going into really useless stock buybacks, that do nothing but pump up stock prices.

In the past unions would have leverage to ask for more money, but that is gone now. Management of US companies is free to run companies solely for the benefit of management.

You joke, but the doom and gloom predictions of conservatives wherever the minimum wage has grown have failed to appear.

We have been trying failed conservative "ideas" for a while now, and have shit to show for it.

A minimum wage increase is definitely called for. But an increase so that everyone is making middle class money like bouts proposes is complete lunacy. A $15 minimum wage would murder small business in this country, much less a $25 an hour minimum wage.

[boutons_deux]

$15 minimum wage would murder small business in this country

if your small business plan is depends on paying poverty wages, no benefits, no vacations, no time off, etc, and having taxpayers subsidize you and your employees, then your business plan is bullshit.

[baseline bum]

if your small business plan is depends on paying poverty wages, no benefits, no vacations, no time off, etc, and having taxpayers subsidize you and your employees, then your business plan is bullshit.

You act like every small business owner is raking in millions, or even hundreds of thousands. Take a trip to the real world sometime.

[koriwhat]

Never forget :lmao

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267156&page=44&p=9112176&highlight=#fightforfifteen#post9112176

$52k a year :lmao

dude is contributing to society and you have a problem with that? you're a douche.

[AaronY]

dude is contributing to society and you have a problem with that? you're a douche.
boutons contributes to society?!???!

[koriwhat]

boutons contributes to society?!???!

if he works and pays taxes, yes. not sure how much contribution but contributing is contributing and that should not be looked down on no matter how much he makes annually. there's plenty of people mooching off the system and those that do contribute. why kick someone when they aren't a mooch?

[Chucho]

You act like every small business owner is raking in millions, or even hundreds of thousands. Take a trip to the real world sometime.

He has no idea what he's talking about. Going from being an employee in Texas to the ownership side of a business in California gives you a lot of perspective. He doesn't realize the true cost of an employee. Take a $15 per hour employee, add another 2.50 to 4 bucks in payroll and state taxes, EDD, workers comp and then figure in your benefits split and your near or passed 20 per.

People like Boots have no handle on reality and have a strong fear of doing things on their own. We're going to finish a little under 1.6 million in gross. Net?? Almost makes you think it isn't worth it, but there's satisfaction in being your own boss and giving people work.

Shitheads like Boots and the people who think like him have no sense of pride or work ethic and have an over inflated sense of self worth. They think because they exist in a wealthy population they think the people who produce and take the risk of complete loss, financially on a professional and personal level plus sweat equity and time, shouldn't be rewarded for taking that risk and should give everyone an equal piece of their pie simply because they exist. It doesn't work that way.

[Chucho]

Every employer/employee relationship is consensual. Don't like you position, pay and status? You don't have to take it. Work for yourself, open a business, do something to increase your true self worth. Bitching and demanding producers improve your situation is weak. Expecting the government to fix your situation is just as weak and shows a lack of understanding of the government's role.

[baseline bum]

Every employer/employee relationship is consensual. Don't like you position, pay and status? You don't have to take it. Work for yourself, open a business, do something to increase your true self worth. Bitching and demanding producers improve your situation is weak. Expecting the government to fix your situation is just as weak and shows a lack of understanding of the government's role.

I favor an expanded safety net but bouts' idea is a ridiculous way to do it since it would fall on the backs of a lot of small business owners at a time when it's more difficult than ever for small business to survive.

[koriwhat]

He has no idea what he's talking about. Going from being an employee in Texas to the ownership side of a business in California gives you a lot of perspective. He doesn't realize the true cost of an employee. Take a $15 per hour employee, add another 2.50 to 4 bucks in payroll and state taxes, EDD, workers comp and then figure in your benefits split and your near or passed 20 per.

People like Boots have no handle on reality and have a strong fear of doing things on their own. We're going to finish a little under 1.6 million in gross. Net?? Almost makes you think it isn't worth it, but there's satisfaction in being your own boss and giving people work.

Shitheads like Boots and the people who think like him have no sense of pride or work ethic and have an over inflated sense of self worth. They think because they exist in a wealthy population they think the people who produce and take the risk of complete loss, financially on a professional and personal level plus sweat equity and time, shouldn't be rewarded for taking that risk and should give everyone an equal piece of their pie simply because they exist. It doesn't work that way.


Every employer/employee relationship is consensual. Don't like you position, pay and status? You don't have to take it. Work for yourself, open a business, do something to increase your true self worth. Bitching and demanding producers improve your situation is weak. Expecting the government to fix your situation is just as weak and shows a lack of understanding of the government's role.


I favor an expanded safety net but bouts' idea is a ridiculous way to do it since it would fall on the backs of a lot of small business owners at a time when it's more difficult than ever for small business to survive.

:tu

great points guys

owning a biz is rewarding but damn is it hard work too and i could never imagine having to eat the costs for an employee. thank god i work by myself, for myself, as my own boss and not in a biz of sorts where even if i had another tattooer working with me would i have to worry about much because they'd still be 1099.

[Xevious]

Not only would it kill small business, but where do you think those extra dollars would come from to pay all those 52k employees? From the pockets of consumers. The McDonalds dollar menu would become the $10 menu overnight.

And not only does boots recommend that we pay uneducated, unskilled workers a middle class salary... he also wants to cut salaries for people who bave busted their ass for years and years in school, like doctors. So let's just pay everybody the same thing regardless how smart, talented, hard-working, good-looking, etc you are.

[koriwhat]

Not only would it kill small business, but where do you think those extra dollars would come from to pay all those 52k employees? From the pockets of consumers. The McDonalds dollar menu would become the $10 menu overnight.

And not only does boots recommend that we pay uneducated, unskilled workers a middle class salary... he also wants to cut salaries for people who bave busted their ass for years and years in school, like doctors. So let's just pay everybody the same thing regardless how smart, talented, hard-working, good-looking, etc you are.

i must've missed the actual point of this thread. i jumped to the bottom of the thread earlier without actually reading over it all.

[hater]

I gotta agree 52k a year per person sounds crazy

But also 3 guys having more wealth than the other 299,999,997 combined is just as crazy or more

[sickdsm]

He has no idea what he's talking about. Going from being an employee in Texas to the ownership side of a business in California gives you a lot of perspective. He doesn't realize the true cost of an employee. Take a $15 per hour employee, add another 2.50 to 4 bucks in payroll and state taxes, EDD, workers comp and then figure in your benefits split and your near or passed 20 per.

People like Boots have no handle on reality and have a strong fear of doing things on their own. We're going to finish a little under 1.6 million in gross. Net?? Almost makes you think it isn't worth it, but there's satisfaction in being your own boss and giving people work.

Shitheads like Boots and the people who think like him have no sense of pride or work ethic and have an over inflated sense of self worth. They think because they exist in a wealthy population they think the people who produce and take the risk of complete loss, financially on a professional and personal level plus sweat equity and time, shouldn't be rewarded for taking that risk and should give everyone an equal piece of their pie simply because they exist. It doesn't work that way.

Who is John Galt?

[RandomGuy]

No. No, no. That's not it. It's a conspiracy to continue to control EVERYONE that isn't rich. It's by design. The Republicans are conspiring against the entire population to keep them down.

You're joking, but who has more money to pay lobbyists?

The tax cut and reform being pushed by the Republicans overwhelming favors the wealthy. Doesn't that say anything to you?

[RandomGuy]

A minimum wage increase is definitely called for. But an increase so that everyone is making middle class money like bouts proposes is complete lunacy. A $15 minimum wage would murder small business in this country, much less a $25 an hour minimum wage.

Agreed.

An instant bump would be vastly disruptive and harmful. It should be increased at a rate double the rate of inflation until it catches up with where it was in the 90s before they stopped increasing it. This gives the system time to adjust.

[RandomGuy]

Not only would it kill small business, but where do you think those extra dollars would come from to pay all those 52k employees? From the pockets of consumers. The McDonalds dollar menu would become the $10 menu overnight.

And not only does boots recommend that we pay uneducated, unskilled workers a middle class salary... he also wants to cut salaries for people who bave busted their ass for years and years in school, like doctors. So let's just pay everybody the same thing regardless how smart, talented, hard-working, good-looking, etc you are.

How do you account for the marginal propensity to spend? ... save?

Given the velocity of money concept, there is evidence that says the best way to spur growth is to get more money in the hands of poorer people.

[boutons_deux]

"to get more money in the hands of poorer people.'

and spending tax money on infrastructure is a much great stimulus to the economy than tax cuts, which allow the Capitalists to horde their capital rather than spend it.

But the oligarchy gives fuck all about the greater economy, only how much capital they can accumulate and horde, and of course evade taxes on.

[Chucho]

You're joking, but who has more money to pay lobbyists?

The tax cut and reform being pushed by the Republicans overwhelming favors the wealthy. Doesn't that say anything to you?

Indeed hyperbole. Honestly, one of the reasons I voted Trump was the promise to eliminate Lobbying, which was a lie, and I find lobbying to be one of the most ridiculous shams in the political world.

And I agree, corporate tax shouldn't be cut. But again, mocking Boot's conspiracy. We can play who has who in whom's pocket, but both sides are just abhorrent. Bailing out failing banks who still paid their executives their executive salaries and tax cuts to giant corporations and so on, it's American politics to not act in the people's best interest.

But people like Boots who think that living in a wealthy society should mean equal wealth distribution, even for minimal skills and on the SMB level is just as farcical.

[RandomGuy]

We can play who has who in whom's pocket, but both sides are just abhorrent.

But are both sides equally sold out? You can't find a Warren-like figure in the GOP.

Dems have to bow to business interests, but aren't 100% run by them.

I just don't buy that both parties are equal in that regard, especially since there is only one party that fights every regulation, no matter how obviously beneficial to consumers and average people.

[Chucho]

But are both sides equally sold out? You can't find a Warren-like figure in the GOP.

Dems have to bow to business interests, but aren't 100% run by them.

I just don't buy that both parties are equal in that regard, especially since there is only one party that fights every regulation, no matter how obviously beneficial to consumers and average people.


I didn't say that. I said they're both abhorrent. That's why I really wanted to believe that lobbying would be outlawed/severely cut back, but I was lied to.

What I want from our next President is someone I can believe in and won't break my heart once in office.

[boutons_deux]

So hard-ass conservative, small business capitalists here and their feckless fans LOVE THE SOCIALISM of taxpayers financing the public assistance for their impoverished employees.

Just like BigCorp is totally on corporate welfare.

[Chucho]

So hard-ass conservative, small business capitalists here and their feckless fans LOVE THE SOCIALISM of taxpayers financing the public assistance of their impoverished employees.

Just like BigCorp is totally on corporate welfare.


God damn, you're an idiot.