Russell Wilson is GD beast

[sickdsm]

Haven't paid much attention to him but that texas qb thread had my interest. Paid attention to him as of late. That game tonight just oozed great one out of him. His supporting cast is garbage. He came back hard from his 1st quarter follies. Much respect to him. Def is mediocre with all the injuries and offense is horrible without him.

[Raven]

yeah jimmy graham and baldwin are awful.....

[Trainwreck2100]

lockett=scrub

[sickdsm]

Can't get open until Wilson starts scrambling.

[Raven]

Can't get open until Wilson starts scrambling.

have you ever seen wilson throw a dart from the pocket? it's always lobs with him, can't lob from the pocket...

[Silver&Black]

Stopped reading after "Garnett>Duncan".

[Chris]

If he had any balls he would have changed it to HB dive, but we all know how that turned out...Gifting a ring to the g'damn Patriots, not sure if I can ever forgive him.

[sickdsm]

If he had any balls he would have changed it to HB dive, but we all know how that turned out...Gifting a ring to the g'damn Patriots, not sure if I can ever forgive him.

Playcalling from the sidelines sucks there in Seattle.

See Fake FG last week on MNF

[Trill Clinton]

russ is currently my mvp so far. horrible offensive line and no run game but he has accounted for 26 of the 27 seattle touchdowns this season and 86% of the teams yards from scrimmage:wow

[Avante]

We are talking about an....HISTORICAL....talent here with Russell Wilson. You can't watch a Seahawks game anymore without some chart/graph about how he is in with the legends/greats when they were at his stage of the career.


Here we have the ultimate pass/run/smart/cool QB. Yep, the total package. His highlight video would be THE highlight video for QB's. So many...WOW~~~...plays.

All anyone ever has to do is look at the stats/wins/playoff success vs all the great QB's at the same stage of the career, BOOM....there it is right there. He never rode a bench, he's never missed a game, he just walked in and started winning. No QB has won more games in the history of the NFL than Russell Wilson at this stage of the career.

Now add...

Only QB to ever........ 4000 passing, 500 yards rushing and 30 TD's in a season.
No QB had a better QB rating in their first two seasons.
As a rookie he tied Peyton for most TB passes.

There is no QB I have seen (since late 50's) where I'm.....wow~~~...like I do with Russell Wilson.

He wins with BEASTMODE or without him, he wins with a MONSTER D or without one, yep....an amazing QB.

Think......how would any other QB be doing right now running for his life?

There is a reason we hear some tv announcer .....simply magical....did we just see that....how he does that, wow.....who else can do that....etc etc etc.

[Avante]

yeah jimmy graham and baldwin are awful.....

Peyton had....Harrison, Wayne, Clarke
Brady...Moss, Gronk, Edelman, Welker
Unitas...Berry, Mackey, Moore
Warner ....Holt, Bruce, Faulk
Montana...Rice, Taylor, Craig
Bradshaw...Swann, Stallworth, Harris
Marino....Duper, Clayton, Nathan
Fouts..Winslow, Joiner, Jefferson, Chandler
Otto Graham...Mac Speedie, Dante Levelli, Marion Motley
Norm Van Brocklin....Tom Fears, "Crazy Legs" Hirsch
Jim Kelly....Reed, Thomas

and on and on and on......

[Avante]

How many QB's in the history of the NFL had over 3000 yards passing in each of their first six seasons?

A big deal for all QB's is to have twice as many TD's as INT's, would ya believe Wilson has almost three times as many TD's as INT's?

What QB's had more 90 plus QB ratings their first six seasons than Wilson, well?

That word...HISTORICAL...a perfect fit.

[Avante]

I get tired of being the only one who takes the time to find things out.

How about one of you actually Google Tom Brady and look at his stats/accomplihments in his first six seasons of starting, ok? Then compare that to what Wilson has done. Do that for Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers, whoever, ok?

When it comes to wins, playoff success, stats, what QB had a better first six seasons than Russell Wilson, well? Don't ignore the rushing stats.

[DPG21920]

Wilson is truly elite. One of the very few.

[Avante]

Wilson is truly elite. One of the very few.

Right this minute I see it....

Tom Brady/Aaron Rodgers (ok not right this minute)
Drew Brees
Big Ben

Now...Russell Wilson...and he is by far the youngest. And.....his first six seasons stats, wins, superior to all of them.

[DPG21920]

Wilson is above Brees/Ben IMO.

[Avante]

Wilson is above Brees/Ben IMO.

We must give Brees and Big Ben their props.

Brees was number three all time heading into this season TD passes. Number three in yards. Has a SB win.

Big Ben in the top 10 all time in both, and a SB champ.

And Philip Rivers is a stud.

[Benoit]

Ben is a hit away from retirement. He just isn't putting himself out there to do the mad scramble and heave a 50+yard TD bomb type of plays anymore. Brees is missing a shit ton of throws this year.

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Ryan (he's still really good, just hindered by Sarkissian)
4. Stafford (I don't know if people watch Lions games but he's the only reason Detroit isn't 0-11 and the Browns actually outgained them on the road. They're atrocious at every facet of football except for QB play)
5. Wilson

Goff, Wentz, Brees, Rivers, Cousins all pretty close

[Avante]

Ben is a hit away from retirement. He just isn't putting himself out there to do the mad scramble and heave a 50+yard TD bomb type of plays anymore. Brees is missing a shit ton of throws this year.

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Ryan (he's still really good, just hindered by Sarkissian)
4. Stafford (I don't know if people watch Lions games but he's the only reason Detroit isn't 0-11 and the Browns actually outgained them on the road. They're atrocious at every facet of football except for QB play)
5. Wilson

Goff, Wentz, Brees, Rivers, Cousins all pretty close

We can slice n' dice it a few ways but the bottom line is Wilson is among the top five QB's in football right now. And he's not yet 30. Brady, Brees, Big Ben will be gone soon, so very realistic to see Wilson among the top two/three.

[Avante]

When Fran Tarkenton retired he owned all the QB records, not Johnny Unitas. So having a cat who can escape the rush is nothing new.

Russell Wilson the ultimate runner/passer.

[Avante]

When did Russell Wilson.....struggle? He set NCAA records, set NFL records, won a SB, almost two, is always ranked high by his peers, married to a honey, makes a ton of $$$$$$$$$$$, this is a .......struggle? Somebody explain this to me, ok?

THIS...is a struggle.

Does just enought to get drafted, then finds himself riding the bench in tHe NFL. He makes bare minimun, has a fat hairy old lady and his team is thinking about dumping him, yep.....struggle.

[Avante]

How could anyone not get this?

RENTON -- As the Seahawks continue this game of musical chairs with their starting running backs, there remains one constant, productive option in the backfield: the quarterback.

Russell Wilson has been the focal point of Seattle's run game in addition to his normal passing duties, and it's resulted in a statistically impressive showing through nine games.
The QB has accounted for 82.1 percent of Seattle's scrimmage yards, the highest percentage by any player in the Super Bowl era. In his sixth season, Wilson has thrown for 2,543 yards and is on pace to surpass his career high of 4,219, set last season.


Wilson also continues to be Seattle's best running back, carrying the ball 51 times for 290 yards and one of the team's two scores on the ground this year.
Rarely is a quarterback asked to carry a team with his legs as well as his arm. And in the event he is tasked with a such a duty, the team seldom sees much success. Perhaps a comparison may be Cam Newton's responsibilities in Carolina, where the QB leads the team in yards per carry and rushing touchdowns, guiding the Panthers to a 7-3 record.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

When listening to those who know the game going on and on about the greatness of Russell Wilson, then coming here to read....struggle....pretty much says it all about the lack of football smarts here.

[Avante]

Hell, RW isn't even in his prime years yet.

[sickdsm]

When did Russell Wilson.....struggle? He set NCAA records, set NFL records, won a SB, almost two, is always ranked high by his peers, married to a honey, makes a ton of $$$$$$$$$$$, this is a .......struggle? Somebody explain this to me, ok?

THIS...is a struggle.

Does just enought to get drafted, then finds himself riding the bench in tHe NFL. He makes bare minimun, has a fat hairy old lady and his team is thinking about dumping him, yep.....struggle.

Success is determined by what others think of the appearance of your life partner? WTF man.........

[Avante]

Success is determined by what others think of the appearance of your life partner? WTF man.........

Try paying atention, ok? SB WINNER, ALMOST TWO SB WINNER, NFL RECORDS, NCAA RECORDS, A TON OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$......AND.....a cutie for a wife....ALSO. See how it works slugger? ALSO.....ok?

[Avante]

There will come a time when Russell Wilson is playing but Brady, Brees, Big Ben aren't. So who will be his superiors, yep...Aaron Rodgers, now who?

Obviously you've all seen the charts about where the guy is from an historical perspective vs the greats, he's had as good a first six seasons as anyone. The guy holds NFL records. NOBODY...has won more games in six seasons. AND...he's only 29.

If this is a ....struggle......we have some here who have no idea what the definition of that word is.

Why is it nobody ever takes the time to actually find the stats and see how Wilson stacks up vs the greats? If ya did then you'd see what all the fuss is about, being ignorant to all that....not good.

What has always amazed me about this deal is how could anyone who sees him play not see....IT....? The announcers see ...IT...hell, it's....magical...how does he do that.....wow. Then ya come here ans it's...struggle.....are you kidding me?

Now he has no running game, the D is just ok....and there he is carrying a 7-4 team, how could anyone not get this? See the greatness.

John Unitas never gets.....well he had Ray Berry the best WR, John Mackey the best TE and Lenny Moore the best receiving RB, all in the HOF. Where was Dan Fouts without Kellon Winslow (HOF), Charlie Joiner (HOF), John Jefferson, Wes Chandler?

[sickdsm]

Try paying atention, ok? SB WINNER, ALMOST TWO SB WINNER, NFL RECORDS, NCAA RECORDS, A TON OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$......AND.....a cutie for a wife....ALSO. See how it works slugger? ALSO.....ok?

Sorry. My wife is pretty hot IMO. I really don't measure success by how attractive of a mate a professional athlete has. I'm not that shallow tbh. Is that a requirement to get in the hof? She's got to be a 9.5 or better?

[Avante]

Sorry. My wife is pretty hot IMO. I really don't measure success by how attractive of a mate a professional athlete has. I'm not that shallow tbh. Is that a requirement to get in the hof? She's got to be a 9.5 or better?

Let me slow it down for ya slugger.

IN ADDITION TO....ok guy? Fantastic QB, ton of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$...AND..remember...AND...a hot wife...ok? Just a hot wife don't mean shit, ok?

[Avante]

Is Russell Wilson incredible or what? Who else can do what he does, yep.....nobody.

No BEASTMODE...he wins, no LEGION OF BOOM....he wins. The guy is doing HISTIORICAL stuff for a six year QB. Totally amazing.

[Avante]

What teams relies so much on their QB making plays, well?

Last season Wilson went into NE and beat the Pats there, tonight he took down a team everyone thought was the best in the NFC.

A SB champ, an NFL leader at 110.1 QB rating, hell....pro bowl MVP. How many NFL records does the guy hold?

What will his fellow players rate him this season, what.....top 5? What are those defenders who face him thinking?

He's the only QB to beat...

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Big Ben
Carson Wentz

Imagine if the guy had a running game and all his defense, oh yeah......Superbowl.

[Avante]

So ya all saw the talk shows this morning, how many times did we hear....

amazing
MVP
elite
remarkable

....from those who make their living knowing sports talking about Russell Wilson?

I get we have a shit load of know nothings here but damn do just a little homework, ok?

Take a few minutes and Google the career of Russell Wilson then do that for Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, Brees, Brady. Look at their first six seasons compared to Wilsons......guess what? Look at QB rating, comp %, TD/INT, and............WINS~~~~~ And don't ignore the rushing numbers.

We have histories greatest first six seasons QB in Russell Wilson. Prove that statement wrong, I know....too lazy.

I get the feeling most here have no clue where the guy is from an historical perspective. He's doing things never seen before.

[sickdsm]

So ya all saw the talk shows this morning, how many times did we hear....

amazing
MVP
elite
remarkable

....from those who make their living knowing sports talking about Russell Wilson?

I get we have a shit load of know nothings here but damn do just a little homework, ok?

Take a few minutes and Google the career of Russell Wilson then do that for Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton, Montana, Brees, Brady. Look at their first six seasons compared to Wilsons......guess what? Look at QB rating, comp %, TD/INT, and............WINS~~~~~ And don't ignore the rushing numbers.

We have histories greatest first six seasons QB in Russell Wilson. Prove that statement wrong, I know....too lazy.

I get the feeling most here have no clue where the guy is from an historical perspective. He's doing things never seen before.

All the talk show hosts validate him by talking about his wife being a smoke show.


You know, the intangibles of a great QB

[Avante]

All the talk show hosts validate him by talking about his wife being a smoke show.


You know, the intangibles of a great QB

Who said anything about his wife, well?

Dude, if the guy was married to a fat pig, trust me people would talk about it, ok little man?

[sickdsm]

Who said anything about his wife, well?

Dude, if the guy was married to a fat pig, trust me people would talk about it, ok little man?

I do believe that was you.


When did Russell Wilson.....struggle? He set NCAA records, set NFL records, won a SB, almost two, is always ranked high by his peers, married to a honey, makes a ton of $$$$$$$$$$$, this is a .......struggle? Somebody explain this to me, ok?


I'm not sure what talk shows you watch that they reference the spouses' looks. Fat or hot.


Aren't you the guy that's infatuated with preteen girls also?

[Avante]

I do believe that was you.


When did Russell Wilson.....struggle? He set NCAA records, set NFL records, won a SB, almost two, is always ranked high by his peers, married to a honey, makes a ton of $$$$$$$$$$$, this is a .......struggle? Somebody explain this to me, ok?


I'm not sure what talk shows you watch that they reference the spouses' looks. Fat or hot.


Aren't you the guy that's infatuated with preteen girls also?

Dude, you said the tv people were talking about his wife, like I said...who? OBVIOUSLY,,,I mentioned it.

You said...

All the talk show hosts validate him by talking about his wife being a smoke show.

Who?


I'm the guy who talked about how fucked up a sick ass pedo was, so get it right.

Dude, ya don't appear to understand anything, what gives?

[Avante]

Lovin' this, ha~~~~~~~~~~~

No running game, no LEGION OF BOOM......so it's all Russell Wilson putting on the show he could have always put on.

And, he's not yet in his prime years, still under 30.

[Avante]

Career stats for RW

Comp%....64.3
TD/INT...153/53
QB rating 99.1

What QB had better numbers with just six seasons experience, well?

Not Tom Brady
http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats

[Avante]

It really is funny.

Next week 24/34 328 yards 3TD, 47 yards rushing....win....silence
Following week 28/40 287yards 2TD, 53 yards rushing...win...silence
Following week 18/35 201 yards 1TD 2INT 23 yards rushing....lost...see see see "struggle".

Rookies, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

Kurt Warner's top five QB's last week number one?

1.Russell Wilson

And he said.....

Russell Wilson is playing at an MVP level.

How can this be with no BEASTMODE/LEGION OF BOOM....hahaha~~~~~

[tlongII]

The only people that call him Struggle Wilson are on this board. He’s my favorite player to watch in the league.

[Avante]

The only people that call him Struggle Wilson are on this board. He’s my favorite player to watch in the league.

It really is funny isn't it? EVERY talk show guy, TV announcer raves about Russell Wilson, we hear....magical...amazing...ridiculous...MVP....fa ntastic. Then ya read..."struggle"...here. What does that tell us about the lack of football knowledge here?

I've seen them all since Johnny U, why does this Niner fan rave about Russell Wilson, yep....special, just like Joe Montana.

Russell Wilson could have done what we are seeing now from day one. But, Carroll is a...run the ball/play defense...coach. So that's what they played.

You take away the running game, monster D and the guy is now an MVP candidate.

[SpursforSix]

It really is funny isn't it? EVERY talk show guy, TV announcer raves about Russell Wilson, we hear....magical...amazing...ridiculous...MVP....fa ntastic. Then ya read..."struggle"...here. What does that tell us about the lack of football knowledge here?

I've seen them all since Johnny U, why does this Niner fan rave about Russell Wilson, yep....special, just like Joe Montana.

Russell Wilson could have done what we are seeing now from day one. But, Carroll is a...run the ball/play defense...coach. So that's what they played.

You take away the running game, monster D and the guy is now an MVP candidate.

So now you're going to make excuses why a certain player didn't do as well as he could have? Let's go back through the last 40 years then and rate every player on what they could have done in different circumstances?

Shit...can you imagine if we replaced Bart Starr with Wilson? Holy fuck.

[Avante]

So now you're going to make excuses why a certain player didn't do as well as he could have? Let's go back through the last 40 years then and rate every player on what they could have done in different circumstances?

Shit...can you imagine if we replaced Bart Starr with Wilson? Holy fuck.

It's pretty obvious to all of us who know the game it doesn't matter what situation he is in Russell Wilson is going to...WOW~~~~~~~

Imagine any other QB doing what he is doing right now behind that shit o line. Take way a running game, downgrade that D and RW is in the MVP talk,, the guy is amazing. With a running game and a stud D he plays in two SB's.

Lazy posters who refuse to do the homework aren't aware of just how amazing the guy really is from an historical perspective. He's doing things never seen before.

No QB in history has had a 4000 yds passing, a 30 TD's, and over 500 yards rushing in a season other than Russell Wilson, and barring injury he will have another one this season. Now look at his QB rating for a guy with only six seasons.

Of all the QB's who had played NCAA football...NOBODY...had left the college game with better passing efficency numners, he held the record. Then here comes the NFL and as a rookie he ties Peyton for rookie TD's. And nobody in history ever started out with two 100 QB rating seasons but Russell Wilson.

The guy is 29 and no QB in history won more games after six seasons.


Google Tom Brady, Joe Montana stats and look at their first six seasons vs Russell Wilson.

[SpursforSix]

It's pretty obvious to all of us who know the game it doesn't matter what situation he is in Russell Wilson is going to...WOW~~~~~~~



You're right. WOW!!!!!

U7rPIg7ZNQ8

[Avante]

You're right. WOW!!!!!

U7rPIg7ZNQ8

Are you kidding me? Dude....................BODY OF WORK....BODY OF WORK.....ok rookie? NOBODY, puts too much into...a..play, ok rookie?

Russell Wilson was a yard away from winning two SB's.

These guys would have loved that.

Phil Rivers
Dan Marino
Dan Fouts
Fran Tarkenton
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Jim Kelly
Sonny Jurgenson
Warren Moon
Cam Newton

[RGMCSE]

Feels good to whoop the sea chickens ass!

[Avante]

Feels good to whoop the sea chickens ass!

A punt return is whooping ass?

[Avante]

Wilson is on the verge of another NFL first.

He is the only QB in history to have a 4000/30/500 season, well he's about to have another one this season giving him two with nobody else at even one. What an amazing talent and he''s only 29.

Only QB in history with back to back 100 QB ratings his first two seasons.

How many QB 's played in two SB's in their first three seasons?

The real kicker is comparing his six season career to all the legends/greats, at the same stage of a career.

Where are RGIII, Andrew Luck, Kirk Cousins?

[Avante]

What amazes me is this....

When watching Russell Wilson play you really don't hear.....he's magical....who else can do that.....he's amazing...? You honestly never hear that? And, ya really don't see the greatness, really? How could anyone not get this?

He's the only QB in the league who will end upwith over 4000 yards passing, 30TD's and over 500 yards rushing, that is incredible. But he's ...struggle.....really?

[spurraider21]

pretty sure he's set a record this year with 17 fourth quarter touchdowns. still 3 games to go

[spurraider21]

not that it matters here. wilson could win the browns a superbowl and ST will credit team leader isaiah crowell or some shit

[Darth_Pelican]

not that it matters here. wilson could win the browns a superbowl and ST will credit team leader isaiah crowell or some shit

Josh Gordon. Dude still looks like a beast

[Trill Clinton]

not that it matters here. wilson could win the browns a superbowl and ST will credit team leader isaiah crowell or some shit

i think its just an ST joke. i hope people really aren't serious with the russ takes. if so, i hope they don't take them outside of this site.

[Clipper Nation]

Shit...can you imagine if we replaced Bart Starr with Wilson? Holy fuck.
The Seahawks would be a dynasty right now.

[Avante]

The Seahawks would be a dynasty right now.


You're a funny little guy.

Bart Starr played on a team with ....

Jim Ringo
Forrest Gregg
Jim Taylor
Paul Hornung
Willie Davis
Ray Nitschke
Willie Wood
Herb Adderley

All in the Hall of Fame.

Do you ever think before posting? Starr played on a STACKED team if there ever was one. And...Marshawn Lynch was no Jim Taylor. Taylor the only other back to lead the NFL in rushing in the Jim Brown era.

Bart Starr had these numbers.

57.4 comp %, Wilson has over 64
TD/INT...152/138, Wilson has an almost three to one ratio, yep...amazing.
QB rating...80.5, Wilson around 96.
Starr never ran for more than 169 yards in a season, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Imgine that behind that wimpy Seahawks line...OUCH~~~~~

Now if you'd said Fran Tarkenton like a smart football fan, hmmmmmmmm?

Passing, rushing, regular season wins, playoffs wins, who did that combo better than Russell Wilson? The only QB to have beaten...

Carson Wentz
DeShaun Watson
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Big Ben
Peyton Manning

[Avante]

pretty sure he's set a record this year with 17 fourth quarter touchdowns. still 3 games to go

All anyone ever has to do is compare Wilsn's first six seasons with everyone else. Who did it better?

He isn't even 30 yet and already holds a slew of NFL records. With another 6-8 seasons left ya can only imagine what he will leave with.

[Avante]

Put Wilson on a team with a stud RB/D he comes within a yard of winning two SB's. Put him on a shit offense and a less than monster D....MVP...talk.

How could anyone not get it?

[Avante]

Hmmmmm?
Russell Wilson has accounted for (thrown or rushed for) 82.1 percent of the @Seahawks (https://twitter.com/Seahawks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) scrimmage yards this season.

That's the highest such percentage by a player in any season in the Super Bowl era. pic.twitter.com/OjweQ1NEOK (https://t.co/OjweQ1NEOK)
— NFL Research (@NFLResearch) November 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/NFLResearch/status/931284782939488257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


Hmmmmmmmmm?



Russell Wilson sets NFL record for fourth-quarter touchdowns in a season with more late-game magic


AND.....

He will have his second 4000/30/500 season in a row, no other QB has even one.

Talk about managing a game, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Winningest QB in history with six seasons of a career.
Only QB in history to start out with two 100 QB rating to start a career.
Three NFL records mentioned above.

What a game manager he is, huh?

[Avante]

The Seahawks would be a dynasty right now.

Little man, Bart Starr had 8 seasons where he threw more INT's than TD's. Why not do the homework, ok?

[RGMCSE]

Russel Wilson had not seen a pass rush and secondary the Jags possess. It was utter domination. Wilson did what Wilson does and made two touchdowns out of nothing. The score was close but the Jags dominated. Gotta love Blake Bortles asking Michael Bennett how his ass taste.

[Avante]

Russel Wilson had not seen a pass rush and secondary the Jags possess. It was utter domination. Wilson did what Wilson does and made two touchdowns out of nothing. The score was close but the Jags dominated. Gotta love Blake Bortles asking Michael Bennett how his ass taste.

The Jags had three more first downs, 8 more yards passing, 15 yards more rushing. That is domination?

[Avante]

What QB could do what Wilson is doing with that shit line?

[RGMCSE]

The Jags had three more first downs, 8 more yards passing, 15 yards more rushing. That is domination?

Actually yes dumbass. They led in every important statistical category. Even more important was Wilson had 3 ints to Blake’s 0. Chew on that pedo!

[Silver&Black]

NFL MVP odds:

1-2 Brady
4-1 Wilson
5-1 A. Brown
10-1 Wentz

[Avante]

Actually yes dumbass. They led in every important statistical category. Even more important was Wilson had 3 ints to Blake’s 0. Chew on that pedo!

Stupid, look up the word.....DOMINATION....ok?


You shoot sick ass pedos, ok?

[Avante]

NFL MVP odds:

1-2 Brady
4-1 Wilson
5-1 A. Brown
10-1 Wentz

Take away a running game, take away THE LEGION OF BOOM, put it all on Russell Wilson and we get...MVP...talk.

Yet we STILL have some that just can't figure it out.



Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks knows the ins and outs of this league, providing keen insight in his notebook. The topics of this edition include:
-- An underappreciated receiver who deserves to be mentioned among the game's very best.
-- Three quick takes on hot-button stories.
But first, a look at Russell Wilson (http://www.spurstalk.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/profile)'s undeniable MVP candidacy ...
* * * * *
If the NFL's MVP award were legitimately given to the league's Most Valuable Player, Russell Wilson (http://www.spurstalk.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/profile) would win this year's hardware in a landslide. No disrespect to the spectacular play of Tom Brady (http://www.spurstalk.com/player/tombrady/2504211/profile) and Carson Wentz (http://www.spurstalk.com/player/carsonwentz/2555259/profile), but they aren't doing nearly as much work for their respective squads as the Seattle Seahawks (http://www.spurstalk.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA)' quarterback.
Wilson not only accounts for 82.2 percent of the Seahawks (http://www.spurstalk.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA)' scrimmage yards -- he's also played a part in 29 of the team's 33 touchdowns (87.9 percent). Not to mention, he sports an NFL-best 134.1 passer rating in the fourth quarter and has thrown a league-leading 15 fourth-quarter touchdown passes against just one interception. With Wilson also serving as the team's leading rusher (432 yards on just 71 attempts -- 6.1 ypc), I can't think of another quarterback in the league doing nearly as much for his squad.


"Yeah, I don't know how you could carry it much more," Seahawks (http://www.spurstalk.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA) head coach Pete Carroll told reporters a week ago, per The News Tribune (http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/seahawks-insider-blog/article187424358.html).
Sure, a true franchise signal caller is expected to make the rest of the team better, but what Wilson is doing is remarkable. He is playing quarterback at an elite level, albeit in an unconventional way. As an electric dual-threat playmaker, Wilson entered this week ranked sixth in passing yards (3,256), tied for second in passing touchdowns (26) and sitting behind only Cam Newton (http://www.spurstalk.com/player/camnewton/2495455/profile) in quarterback rushing yards. He has been a one-man show for the 'Hawks.
"Typically, the best quarterbacks in the National Football League find a way to make the 10 other guys better," Wilson told reporters last week, via The News Tribune (http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/seahawks-insider-blog/article187424358.html). "That's my main concern. That's my focus at all times, is helping our team win."


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Another full page of that sort of thing, but ya get the point. Give Wilson a shit line, no RB's, a depleted D and it becomes....MVP....talk.

How could anyone not get this?

When watching the guy play how could anyone not see....IT....? That amazes me. Especially since the TV guys are.....magical....how does he do that....amazing.

[DeadlyDynasty]

He embarrassed himself today...didn't even look like a pro

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Struggle looked like a real "beast" today with that fumble, safety, and 23-yard backwards pass out of bounds.

It's not a coincidence that the Seahawks have gotten worse as Struggle's role on the team has grown. He can't win unless he has one of the most stacked defenses in NFL history 100% healthy. Real franchise QBs get to the playoffs on a regular basis with less than what Struggle has around him right now. The minute the Seahawks stupidly gave him that overpaid contract, you could see the window start to close.

[Avante]

He embarrassed himself today...didn't even look like a pro

This is the best example of...rookie..I can think of. Did you really say...today? Dude, BODY OF WORK...ok?

[Avante]

:lol Struggle looked like a real "beast" today with that fumble, safety, and 23-yard backwards pass out of bounds.

It's not a coincidence that the Seahawks have gotten worse as Struggle's role on the team has grown. He can't win unless he has one of the most stacked defenses in NFL history 100% healthy. Real franchise QBs get to the playoffs on a regular basis with less than what Struggle has around him right now. The minute the Seahawks stupidly gave him that overpaid contract, you could see the window start to close.

Just as I pedicted. Where were you when the guy was beating the AMAZING Eagles? What's with all this...MVP...talk?

Let's take Gurley off the Rams (remember the Seahawks best RB isn't playing) lets take 4 starters off that Rams defense, ok? Now how do they do?

Dude, imagine any other QB on THIS Seahawks team, they would be 3-10 and we all know it.

Dude, are you simpy retarded?

[Avante]

Wilson set yet ANOTHER NFL record, damn if I can remember which one. He has so many ya understand.

By the way.....


NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000893418/article/steelers-leveon-bell-tops-pro-bowl-voting-by-fans) revealed on Saturday that Bell received 855,539 votes. He was followed by New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady (http://bleacherreport.com/tom-brady) (833,481), Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown (http://bleacherreport.com/antonio-brown) (832,446), injured Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz (829,174) and New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees (http://bleacherreport.com/drew-brees) (743,355).
The full 2018 Pro Bowl rosters will be announced Tuesday based on a combination of fan, player and coach voting.
Per Ben Volin (https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/942071835407069184) of the Boston Globe, the NFL (http://bleacherreport.com/nfl) revealed that Los Angeles Rams running back Todd Gurley (693,697 votes), Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson (http://bleacherreport.com/russell-wilson) (651,592 votes), Rams quarterback Jared Goff (571,656 votes), Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski (http://bleacherreport.com/rob-gronkowski) (551,058 votes) and Jacksonville Jaguars running back Leonard Fournette (544,068 votes) rounded out the top 10 vote-getters.

So it's...

Tom Brady
Carson Wentz
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson

..when talking QB's.

Now when the NFL players pick this seasons best 100, I can see Wilson at around.....10-15.

Boy does he struggle or what, hahaha~~~~ How many pro bowls has he been voted to?

Constantly voted to the pro bowl, always ranked high by his peers, NFL record holder, winningest six years of experience QB in history, what a stuggle, hahahaha~~~~~~

Remember this one....

Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson was selected with the first pick in the draft. He was chosen by Michael Irvin, who is serving as a Pro Bowl legend captain opposite fellow Hall of Famer Jerry Rice.

[Avante]

What a struggle it's been, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~


NFL records



Most passing touchdowns in a season by a rookie: 26 (tied with Peyton Manning (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Peyton_Manning))[126] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-CAREER_HIGHLIGHTS-126)
Most passing yards in a playoff game by a rookie: 385[127] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-127)
Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first two seasons (24); most total wins in first two seasons (28, including playoffs)[128] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-128)[129] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-129)
Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first three seasons: 36[126] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-CAREER_HIGHLIGHTS-126)[130] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-130)
Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first four seasons: 46[131] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-131)
Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first five seasons: 56 (tied with Matt Ryan (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Matt_Ryan_(American_football)))[132] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-132)
Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first six seasons: 64[133] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-133)
First quarterback to throw for 300+ yards and rush for 100+ yards in a single game (vs St. Louis Rams (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/St._Louis_Rams)) (10/19/14)[134] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-134)
Most games 1+ passing touchdowns, season (tied with others twelve players): 16, 2015[135] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-135)
Most consecutive games with 3+ touchdown passes and no interceptions: 5, 2015[136] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-136)
2nd highest passer rating, career (minimum 1,500 attempts): 99.6[137] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-137)
First and the only quarterback in NFL history to throw 3+ passing touchdowns and no interceptions in five consecutive games[138] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-138)
First and the only quarterback that had a passer rating (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Passer_rating) of 128.3 or higher in five consecutive games[139] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-139)
First and the only quarterback in NFL history to have 4,000+ passing yards, 30+ passing touchdowns, and 500+ rushing yards in the same season (2015


What two other NFL records did he set this season?

Ever notice when watching a Seahawks game how there is always something about Russell Wilson and NFL history?

[DeadlyDynasty]

This is the best example of...rookie..I can think of. Did you really say...today? Dude, BODY OF WORK...ok?
Yes, I did. He was embarrassing yesterday. Not his career, not his race, but his performance yesterday was embarrassing and shameful.

[spurraider21]

Yes, I did. He was embarrassing yesterday. Not his career, not his race, but his performance yesterday was embarrassing and shameful.
absolutely was

[Clipper Nation]

More proof that The Contract! was a franchise-altering mistake by the Seahawks:

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[Clipper Nation]

Facts:

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942787222981378049

942787574912901120

942787823060492288

942789857952153600

942791266835750912

[Avante]

Yes, I did. He was embarrassing yesterday. Not his career, not his race, but his performance yesterday was embarrassing and shameful.

You've probably noticed I never get too anything over....a....game. The reason is if ya know the game that is the game. It is up and down, ebb and flo, the great ones more up than down. We have been watching one of the greatest performances ever seen by a QB in the history of te NFL as you have been hearing, over 82 % of his offense is mind boggling. So where is all the....BRAVO....GREAT JOB....WHAT A STUD...WOW....well? The guy has one game where his shit line, special teams, injuries finally caught up to the team and NOW....NOW....ya have an opinion..........ha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ONE MORE TIME

Why not actually take a few minutes and Google the stats of Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, whoever and compare their first six seasons to Russell Wilson. I have done that, trust me if talking wins, running stats, passing stats, playoff success it's...Russell Wilson.

The guy holds a gang of NFL records and he's not yet 30.

THINK.....ok?

Career stats

comp%....64.0
TD/INT....157/56
QB rating....98.6
rushing....3,210
TD's...16

So who did it better under 30?

[Avante]

Remember....IT'S BEASTMODE, IT'S THE LEGION OF BOOM.

This season Russell Wilson was the running game, he never had that monster D, and what did we hear....MVP? Now he's about to have his second consecutive...4000 yards passing, over 30 TD's, over 500 yards rushing, no other QB has ever done that even once.

He is in yet another pro bowl.
Quarterback: Carson Wentz*, Eagles; Russell Wilson (http://www.spurstalk.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/profile), Seahawks; Drew Brees (http://www.spurstalk.com/player/drewbrees/2504775/profile), Saints



How in the hell could anyone who understands the game not get this? This cat is amazing, yep, just like you hear fom the tv guys. Why some of you fight the facts....????

I get this...Avante likes the guy so I need to.....but, come on grow the fuck up, ok?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Remember....IT'S BEASTMODE, IT'S THE LEGION OF BOOM.

This season Russell Wilson was the running game, he never had that monster D...
...and they suck

[Avante]

...and they suck

I totally agree, but it took this to get....MVP...talk for Wilson and there he is in another pro bowl. No team is winning when your QB is your leading rusher. Imagine any other QB behind that shit line.

Wilson is 29 years old, he only has six seasons of NFL experience, who did it better at that stage of the career?

[Clipper Nation]

Remember....IT'S BEASTMODE, IT'S THE LEGION OF BOOM.

This season Russell Wilson was the running game, he never had that monster D, and what did we hear....

...a bunch of excuses for why Struggle can't handle the responsibilities of a true franchise QB.

[Avante]

...a bunch of excuses for why Struggle can't handle the responsibilities of a true franchise QB.

Here is a guy one yard away from winning two SB's, he is in ANOTHER Pro Bowl, holds NUMEROUS NFL records, was ranked the 17th best player in the NFL in 2016 by his peers, was in this seasons MVP talk ...but he's not a franchise QB, Dude....hahahahahahahahha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~

Are you stupid or rertarded?

[Raven]

Here is a guy one yard away from winning two SB's, he is in ANOTHER Pro Bowl, holds NUMEROUS NFL records, was ranked the 17th best player in the NFL in 2016 by his peers, was in this seasons MVP talk ...but he's not a franchise QB, Dude....hahahahahahahahha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~

Are you stupid or rertarded?

that's a solid argument

[Avante]

that's a solid argument

Pete Carroll wants to run the ball, play defense. He is not a throw the ball all around guy, in THAT system, Russell Wilson wins a SB and almost two. Being unable to run the ball and play that monster D it's now all on him, so what's he do.....sets numerous NFL records, has everybody talking....magic....awesome...who else can do that....we have all heard it. He's in the MVP discussion, he gets voted to the pro bowl, and the guy is still under30.

How could anyone who understands football not see ...IT....with Russell Wilson.

Held the rookie TD record with Peyton
Only QB to ever post back to back 100 QB rating their first two seasons
Led the NFL with a 110.1 rating
NFL record 4000/30/500 in a season (about to better that this season)
Most wins in six seasons by any QB
Been rated as high as 17 as the best 100 players in the NFL
And another half dozen NFL firsts/records.

There is no QB who did it better at the same stage of the career.

Anyone who thinks this guy isn't special needs to stop following football.

[Avante]

Here 's what has happened.

I've said....Google all the greats, the legends and look at the stats, check out their first six sesaons and compare that to what RW has done. Keep in mind he never saton a bench, he walked right in and started winning.

Well you guys have Googled the greats, the legends, all set to....oh yeah well look at this....only to find out, yep, Avante is right, nobody else compares.

Obviously, nobody will.....yep, you're right Avante.

I;m a long time Niner fan, we have had some great QB's starting with Frankie Albert, then Y.A.Tittle, John Brodie, Montana, Young, hell...Garcia, Smith, Kaepernick could play. I have no reason to brag on a Seahawks anything, so why do I rave about Russell Wilson? When do youlittle people figure out I;ve seen some footbal, what, never? Russell Wilson is a rare talent, he is special and if ya knew the game at all you'd see...IT. Look at this season....no line, no RB's, his D is all banged up and what's the guy do......NFL RECORDS...MVP talk...ANOTHER PRO BOWL. Now think just a little bit, ok, what if he'd had a line, a stud RB....THE LEGION OF BOOM....yep, another Superbowl.

Seen them all little people, that is why I rave about the guy, yep.....very special.

[Avante]

Remember a few years back when they broke up the AFC vs NFC thing, it was just who ya picked among those voted into the pro bowl. Who was Michael Irvin's first pick, yep.....Russell Wilson. Was that the one where he won the MVP award?

How many pro bowls has the guy been in, what..4-5?

You guys amaze me, how could anyone not get this?

Pro bowls, MVP talk, NFL records, Superbowl win............................................... ......that close to two. And it's.....struggle.......boy that's some struggle, hahaha~~~~

[Spurtacular]

Rams 42 Seahawks 6

/thread

[Avante]

Rams 42 Seahawks 6

/thread

Ya can always yell a rookie, their depth is.....last week.

Always look at the body of work, ok rook?

[Avante]

Ok, body of work.

2017 for Russell Wilson.

NFL leader....34 passing TD. (3 rushing)
NFL record....most passing TD's in the 4th quarter in a season.
Another pro bowl.
Most combined yards rushing/passing in the NFL.
Most wins in their first six seasons in NFL history

When it comes time for the players to vote on the top 100 players for 2017, what.........number 15ish?

Career

Comp %...64.0
TD/INT....161/56
Rating....96.8
Rushing yards....3, 278, TD's...16

Now if you know the game then you're well aware of just how amazing those numbers are for a guy with only 6 seasons of NFL experience and not yet 30.

Compare anyone at the same stage of a career vs the above.

Just got off the plane, walked right in and took over, NEVER sat on a bench, NEVER missed a game.

[Avante]

If a QB had to have started every game, won a SB, played in two in a two year period, owned numerous NFL records, all before 30, who joins Russell Wilson in that club?

[Avante]

When I first started all this....YIPPEEEE Russell Wilson, it was more of a troll than anything else. But.....damn this guy really is something special isn't he?

I have checked out what all the greats did early on in their careers, I'm telling ya none were better than Russell Wilson. And if he hadn't of had to handoff to Lynch like he did his stats would be even more ....WOW!

What NFL QB currently playing can say this?

won a SB
never sat on a bench
has never missed a game
holds numerous NFL records/firsts

I think he had his best season this year. To do what he did behind a terrible line, no stud RB's, was amazing. Keep in mind no other QB has ever passed for 4000 yards, ran for 500 and scored 30 TD's in a season but Russell Wilson, and this season he had over 30 TD's over 500 yards rushing and 3983 passing. Simply amazing.

NFL leader in TD passes.

Give this guy a stud RB, a sold line and a great D.......SB winner.

[DeadlyDynasty]

When I first started all this....YIPPEEEE Russell Wilson, it was more of a troll than anything else. But.....damn this guy really is something special isn't he?

I have checked out what all the greats did early on in their careers, I'm telling ya none were better than Russell Wilson. And if he hadn't of had to handoff to Lynch like he did his stats would be even more ....WOW!

What NFL QB currently playing can say this?

won a SB
never sat on a bench
has never missed a game
holds numerous NFL records/firsts

I think he had his best season this year. To do what he did behind a terrible line, no stud RB's, was amazing. Keep in mind no other QB has ever passed for 4000 yards, ran for 500 and scored 30 TD's in a season but Russell Wilson, and this season he had over 30 TD's over 500 yards rushing and 3983 passing. Simply amazing.

NFL leader in TD passes.

Give this guy a stud RB, a sold line and a great D.......SB winner.
Missed playoffs, didn't read.

[Avante]

Missed playoffs, didn't read.

Blake Bortles made the playoffs, Tyrod Taylor made the playoffs, what's that tell you?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Blake Bortles made the playoffs, Tyrod Taylor made the playoffs, what's that tell you?
It tells me you just made my point. Bortles and Taylor were not the first option...McCoy and Fournette were, coupled with opportunistic defenses. Had either QB been the go-to guy, their teams would not be in the playoffs. The Seahawks suffered catastrophic injuries to their defense, and haven't had a RB since Lynch, so Wilson was forced to be the go-to guy...and he failed to get the team to the postseason. He's very fortunate to have been on some great teams early in his career, but now you'll see him have a career trajectory much like Romo's: eye-popping stats w/ no payoff.

[Avante]

It tells me you just made my point. Bortles and Taylor were not the first option...McCoy and Fournette were, coupled with opportunistic defenses. Had either QB been the go-to guy, their teams would not be in the playoffs. The Seahawks suffered catastrophic injuries to their defense, and haven't had a RB since Lynch, so Wilson was forced to be the go-to guy...and he failed to get the team to the postseason. He's very fortunate to have been on some great teams early in his career, but now you'll see him have a career trajectory much like Romo's: eye-popping stats w/ no payoff.

All alone the guy came within one game of being in the playoffs. He led the NFL with 34 td passes, had more combined yards than anyone, is in another pro bowl. And was in the MVP talk.

When he was winning it was....BEASTMODE, LEGION OF BOOM. Now without that he's in the MVP talk, setting more NFL records, in another pro bowl and will be ranked higher than ever in that top 100 players poll.

What team is in these playoffs because of their QB other than the Pats?

[Avante]

Just think....

Never sat on a bench, tied the rookie TD record, led the NFL this season with 34, numerous pro bowls, two SB's, five seasons of playoff football, MVP talk, and he's not yet 30, that is amazing.

[DeadlyDynasty]

All alone the guy came within one game of being in the playoffs. He led the NFL with 34 td passes, had more combined yards than anyone, is in another pro bowl. And was in the MVP talk.

When he was winning it was....BEASTMODE, LEGION OF BOOM. Now without that he's in the MVP talk, setting more NFL records, in another pro bowl and will be ranked higher than ever in that top 100 players poll.

What team is in these playoffs because of their QB other than the Pats?
Because they were #1 in the league in defense and rushing:lmao

[Bill_Brasky]

Because they were #1 in the league in defense and rushing:lmao

Tbf, Aaron Rodgers' prime has been wasted because his team lacks those very things.

[Avante]

Because they were #1 in the league in defense and rushing:lmao

So tying the rookie TD record meant nothing?

Being the only QB to ever post consecutive 100 passer ratings to start a career meant nothing?

How did the other players, fans perceive Russell Wilson, well?

[pgardn]

Tbf, Aaron Rodgers' prime has been wasted because his team lacks those very things.

No doubt.

[DeadlyDynasty]

So tying the rookie TD record meant nothing?

Being the only QB to ever post consecutive 100 passer ratings to start a career meant nothing?

How did the other players, fans perceive Russell Wilson, well?
I don't think you appreciate how great those Seattle teams were. His team persevered through a 4 INT performance in the NFC Championship--that should tell you all you need to know. His coaches thought like you do, which is why they called his number in the SB--resulting in an infamous catastrophe

[Avante]

I don't think you appreciate how great those Seattle teams were. His team persevered through a 4 INT performance in the NFC Championship--that should tell you all you need to know. His coaches thought like you do, which is why they called his number in the SB--resulting in an infamous catastrophe

It's not what I think it's actually....

He became the first Seahawks quarterback to throw for over 4,000 yards in a season, and finished the year with the highest passer rating in the NFL. Wilson's 51.7% deep ball completion percentage was the highest among NFL quarterbacks. On December 22, 2015, Wilson was named to his third Pro Bowl.

Now ya add his rushing.

And here he is leading the NFL this season with 34 TD's, more combined yards than any player and another pro bowl.

So why is this guy setting so many NFL records, being voted to so many pro bowls? It's not about what I think, it's about how things are.

Only player in history to pass for 4000 yards, rush for over 500 yards, and have 30 TD's, and....this season he had over 30 TD's, rushed for over 500 yards and had 3983 yards passing.

All anyone has to do is Google the legends and compare their first six seasons vs Russell Wilson, it's all right there. It has zero to do with opinions. Who did it better before 30, well?

[DeadlyDynasty]

You're talking to yourself at this point. He's had a great career so far--not denying it--but the fact remains that the Seahawks are a mediocre football team when he's the focal point of the offense. And for the love of God if you're going to make a case for him don't include factoids about past Seattle QB's. "He's surpassed legends of the game like Dave Kreig, Rick Mirer, and Matt Hasselbeck!":wow

It's not all his fault though...this year he had to be the focal point of the offense because the FO inadequately addressed the RB and OL situation. It doesn't change the fact that he couldn't elevate Seattle to a playoff berth, however. But let's be honest, it's refreshing to not have the Seahawks in the playoffs because they're old news and can't beat better teams when it matters (like KC)

[Avante]

You're talking to yourself at this point. He's had a great career so far--not denying it--but the fact remains that the Seahawks are a mediocre football team when he's the focal point of the offense. And for the love of God if you're going to make a case for him don't include factoids about past Seattle QB's. "He's surpassed legends of the game like Dave Kreig, Rick Mirer, and Matt Hasselbeck!":wow

It's not all his fault though...this year he had to be the focal point of the offense because the FO inadequately addressed the RB and OL situation. It doesn't change the fact that he couldn't elevate Seattle to a playoff berth, however. But let's be honest, it's refreshing to not have the Seahawks in the playoffs because they're old news and can't beat better teams when it matters (like KC)

Didn't they beat the Rams at their place, and the 10-1 Eagles?

Can Wilson win while running all over the place because he has no line? Can he win in constant third and long because he has no running game other than himself? Think of how any other QB would have done in that situation, yep, only Russell Wilson could have survived.

I always look at body of work, if we do that we get a true read on a player. Russell Wilson is what everybody who really understands the game says he is, yep...pro bowler/highly ranked by his peers/NFL record holder/best first six seasons in history.

After Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben, yep.....Russell Wilson.

[Avante]

You're talking to yourself at this point. He's had a great career so far--not denying it--but the fact remains that the Seahawks are a mediocre football team when he's the focal point of the offense. And for the love of God if you're going to make a case for him don't include factoids about past Seattle QB's. "He's surpassed legends of the game like Dave Kreig, Rick Mirer, and Matt Hasselbeck!":wow

It's not all his fault though...this year he had to be the focal point of the offense because the FO inadequately addressed the RB and OL situation. It doesn't change the fact that he couldn't elevate Seattle to a playoff berth, however. But let's be honest, it's refreshing to not have the Seahawks in the playoffs because they're old news and can't beat better teams when it matters (like KC)

malfunction

[Avante]

With no running game here comes third and long, yep, an obvious passing situation so here comes that pass rush. With a running game now it's third and 2-4, will they run? will they pass? Ya can't just rush the QB. That was what Wilson was dealing with in 2017, STILL....MVP talk/pro bowl/NFL leader/NFL record.

Wilson had his best season in 2017, we saw just how amazing he really is. Imagine Tom Brady in that....oh hell I better run.....ha!

[Avante]

I'll say it again....

Just Google Montana, Brady, Favre, Rodgers, Marino, Elway, Brees, Peyton, Big Ben and compare their first six seasons vs Russell Wilson. It's all right there.

wins
playoff success
pro bowls
rushing
passing stats
NFL records

Who did it better combined, well?

How many QB's have almost three times as many TD's as INT's?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol "Beast"
:lol Team gets worse as Struggle's role increases in importance, culminating in missing the playoffs and a huge rebuild coming up
:lol Struggle

[Raven]

So tying the rookie TD record meant nothing?

Being the only QB to ever post consecutive 100 passer ratings to start a career meant nothing?

How did the other players, fans perceive Russell Wilson, well?

It means less than nothing, it is damaging for his image. Like a guy averaging a triple double that doesn't get to the playoffs

[Avante]

:lol "Beast"
:lol Team gets worse as Struggle's role increases in importance, culminating in missing the playoffs and a huge rebuild coming up
:lol Struggle

Too dumb to understand....

Without a line/running game ALL QB's are now in OBVIOUS passing situations. I know....huh?

[Avante]

It means less than nothing, it is damaging for his image. Like a guy averaging a triple double that doesn't get to the playoffs


Numerous NFL records
Numerous pro bowls
Highly rankled ny NFLers (top 100 list, has been ranked 17th, will be higher this season)
Led the NDL with 34 td passes
Has led the NFL with a 110.1 QB rating
Most wins ever in a six season career


His image...huh?

[Clipper Nation]

Too dumb to understand....

Without a line/running game ALL QB's are now in OBVIOUS passing situations. I know....huh?
No O-line is ever going to look good when the quarterback holds on to the ball for an eternity, scrambles around aimlessly and takes stupid 20+ yard sacks on a regular basis. You can't say the Seahawks' front office hasn't tried to upgrade the O-line. It just doesn't matter when Struggle insists on creating his own pressure.

And when the Seahawks had a great running game, you still gave all the credit to Struggle while downplaying Marshawn Lynch.

Face it, old faggot: your boy Struggle finally found out this year what it's like to be a true franchise QB. And the end result: no playoffs. Struggle is an overrated game manager and a product of stacked teams - that's it and that's all.

[Avante]

No O-line is ever going to look good when the quarterback holds on to the ball for an eternity, scrambles around aimlessly and takes stupid 20+ yard sacks on a regular basis. You can't say the Seahawks' front office hasn't tried to upgrade the O-line. It just doesn't matter when Struggle insists on creating his own pressure.

And when the Seahawks had a great running game, you still gave all the credit to Struggle while downplaying Marshawn Lynch.

Face it, old faggot: your boy Struggle finally found out this year what it's like to be a true franchise QB. And the end result: no playoffs. Struggle is an overrated game manager and a product of stacked teams - that's it and that's all.

Why is it nobody agrees with you? His competition will have him among the top 20 players AGAIN for 2017. What's with all those pro bowls selections by the fans? I have seen more QB 's play that you or anyone here, how come I see his greatness?

Dude, you had Newton being benched for Derek Anderson, wrong on Alex Smith, wrong on Watson, wrong on Savage and you are 100% wrong about Wilson also. Where is your boy Joe Flacco at, yep...sucks.

You simply don't know the game and it's real obvious.

Take a teams best RB, cornerback, safety out and see how they do WITH a sucky o-line. Yet Wilson STILL..led the NFL with 34 passing td's, only the second plus 3900/30/500 in history (has the only one) and ANOTHER pro bowl.

Tom Savage, ha! and you wanna tell me about QB's, hahahaha!

[Avante]

How funny is this?


We are going to sit your best RB down and your best cornerback and safety and give you a terrible line, now go get them. Then when the poor guy fails to win one more game to make the playoffs.....see see see ya suck,

Hahahaahaha!

How could anyone whoi knows this game not get Russell Wilson, this really is amazing.

Marino had no defense, so why is he a GREAT QB. He couldn't take his team amy further than Wilson can in a similiar situation. And Marino had Duper and Clayton.

[Avante]

In order to make this list a QB has to have won a SB.

He has to have never missed a game in his career, meaning he neverr sat on a bench.

He must own numerous NFL records.

Numerous pro bowls.


Led all NFL QB's in some stats more than once.

He has to have passed for over 4000 yards in a season, scored over 30 TD's and rushed for over 500.

So who all belongs on the list? Yep......just Russell Wilson.

So many of these types of things.

After the Seattle Seahawks 24-13 win over the San Franciso 49ers on Sunday, quarterback Russell Wilson has once again landed in the record books.
Wilson has become the fastest player to pass for 150 touchdowns and log 3000 rushing yards, and he’s done it in just 91 games.

Russell Wilson is the fastest player in the Super Bowl era to reach the 150 Pass TD mark and rush for 3000 Yds (91 games). pic.twitter.com/aH6Yo5SZJi (https://t.co/aH6Yo5SZJi)

There is more.

Most td's in the4th quarter in a season.

Rookie td record (with Peyton)

Only 4000/30/500 QB.

Only 100 QB rating first two seasons.

And there is more. How could anyone not get this?

[Kyle Orton]

:lol complete meltdown

[Clipper Nation]

Avante can spam all the almanac trivia lists he wants and it still doesn't change the fact that Struggle missed the playoffs.

[Avante]

Avante can spam all the almanac trivia lists he wants and it still doesn't change the fact that Struggle missed the playoffs.

What QB hasn't missed the playoffs?

Show me any of the great/legend QB who had their best seasons before 30, who?

Will you ever figure out we must compare all athletes .....AT THE SAME STAGE OF A CAREER...what about that don't you understand? Where was Drew Brees in his first six seasons, well? Tom Brady? Aaron Rodgers? Joe Montana?

Dude, don't you get how anything works?

Dude, SB champ, numerous NFL record holder, numerous Pro bowler, NFL stats leader, always highly ranked among NFL players....not yet 30.

[Avante]

:lol complete meltdown

Try,,,,love showing all the reasons Wilson is the best QB in history with only six seasons of NFL experrience. NOBODY...has accomplished more with just six seasons.

[Avante]

What is so damn hard about actually doing just a little bit of homework? Take a few minutes and check out just what did the greats do in their first six seasons vs Wilson. What legend was at their best pre 30.....who?

Wilson has had the best start to a career than anyone. Prove that statement wrong, come on let's see ya do it.

I'm going to see a bunch of BS, but never any actual numders, facts and stats. The numbers, facts and stats tell you that here we have the best QB ever before 30.

I saw my first NFL game in the late 50's, saw the very first AFL games, seen QB's nobody here has ever heard of....George Mira, Frank Tripucka, Milt Plum, Ed Nelson, Dieter Brock etc etc. I've seen some football, ok? Russell Wilson is a rare, unique talent and only a total idiot wouldn't see this.

[Avante]

Drew Brees vs Russell Wilson first six seasons

DB

Best comp%...65.5
Best yards season...4, 418(only one 4000 season)
TD...27
INT...had three seasons with 15 or more
Best QB rating....104.8

RW

68.1
4,219 (two 4000 seasons)
34 (twice)
11
110.1

Won't even talk about rushing.

Yep, all Russell Wilson.

Always compare athletes at the same stage of the career, ok?

Will Wilson ever be on a level of Tom Brady and Drew Brees, of course not. But....he is a rare talent and will be "among" the greats when he leaves the games, top 20ish.

[Avante]

Big Ben had over 70 INTS, only one 4000 season, only one 100 QB rating, less TD's. No need to talk rushing. And it goes on and on.

The best six seasons we have ever seen....Russell Wilson. Cat walked right in and took over, NOBODY has won more games before 30.

No GREAT QB had his best seasons prior to 30, so RW will also play better. But, to compare 12-14 year vets to a guy with only 6 seasons, yep....rookie. And, how many seasons has Wilson the young cat been voted over the old vets to a pro bowl?

Joe Montana never had more than 31 TD's (RW 34 twice) in any season, never had a 4000 (RW twice) yards season, has an inferior comp%,inferior TD/INT ratio, inferior QB ratings. Won't even talk rushing.

Tom Brady vs Russell Wilson the first six seasons, not even close, all Russell Wilson, go ahead check it out.

How could anyone not get this?

This season was his best seasn, there he was running for his life.....3,983 passing, over 500 rushing, an NFL leading 34 TD (3 rushing-37) ANOTHER Pro Bowl. And there he was third and long constantly and its....MVP??

Just how many rookies post here?


This is before the MVP talk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIarRljRIuo






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRyeFj7XsXY


Every game we see him play the announcers go bonkers, he's magic, awesome, incredible, then we come here and some idiot.....struggle.......are you kidding me?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol complete meltdown

[Avante]

Dude, love to point out just how stupid you really are, ok? Try bullying not meldown, ok rookie?

Notice we never see this idiot ever actually come up with stats, numbers, facts? Just a dumb opinion based on .....Tom Savage the best QB in Texas...mentality.

[Avante]

I keep waiting and waiting and waiting for somebody to shut my...check the greats, compare their first six seasos to RW up......I never see anything because.....it does get checked out and it's.,...yep, he's right, nobody else compares, so I can't agree.

[Avante]

Brady, Big Ben, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers will all be gone and there's Russell Wilson at 35 with three more seasons to go, think about that.

[Avante]

Always have fun with this Russell Wilson deal, yep, it's funny.

Here we have a guy breaking records, a pro bowl mainstay, the winningest QB in history (talking %). A guy where we always hear....

Only Russell Wilson pulls that off
He's magical
Did I really just see that
Amazing just amazing
How does he do that?
Wow!

Here I am a guy who grew up wathing this...

Lions...Milt Plum
Packers...Bart Starr
Vikes...Fran Tarkenton
Niners...John Brodie
Colts..John Unitas
Bears...Bill Wade
Rams...Roman Gabriel
Redskins...Sonny Jurgenson
Steelers...Ed Nelson
Giants..Y.A.Tittle
Eagles...Norm Snead
Cowboys...Don Meredith
Browns...Frank Ryan
Cards...Charley Johnson
Bills...Jack Kemp
Oilers...George Blanda
Pats...Babe Parilli
Titans/Jets...ah...hmmm?
Raiders...Tom Flores
Chargers...Tobin Rote
Texans/Chiefs...Len Dawson
Broncos...Frank Tripucka


Seen a TON of QB's, so why brag on Russell Wilson? Hell, I;m a Niner fan.

His highlights video on a whole other level than any QB.

Yes I know......way too long.....ha!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjG1leiPppY

[sickdsm]

Always have fun with this Russell Wilson deal, yep, it's funny.

Here we have a guy breaking records, a pro bowl mainstay, the winningest QB in history (talking %). A guy where we always hear....

Only Russell Wilson pulls that off
He's magical
Did I really just see that
Amazing just amazing
How does he do that?
Wow!

Here I am a guy who grew up wathing this...

Lions...Milt Plum
Packers...Bart Starr
Vikes...Fran Tarkenton
Niners...John Brodie
Colts..John Unitas
Bears...Bill Wade
Rams...Roman Gabriel
Redskins...Sonny Jurgenson
Steelers...Ed Nelson
Giants..Y.A.Tittle
Eagles...Norm Snead
Cowboys...Don Meredith
Browns...Frank Ryan
Cards...Charley Johnson
Bills...Jack Kemp
Oilers...George Blanda
Pats...Babe Parilli
Titans/Jets...ah...hmmm?
Raiders...Tom Flores
Chargers...Tobin Rote
Texans/Chiefs...Len Dawson
Broncos...Frank Tripucka


Seen a TON of QB's, so why brag on Russell Wilson? Hell, I;m a Niner fan.

His highlights video on a whole other level than any QB.

Yes I know......way too long.....ha!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjG1leiPppY

Everyone's take on that post is "Holy fuck that pedo is old"

[Avante]

Everyone's take on that post is "Holy fuck that pedo is old"

BINGO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So when I talk it's backed with almost 60 years (got into football around 8ish) of experience, so ya might wannna take notes.

I've seen football games where there wasn't one black player out there, think about that.

When Fran Tarkenton retired he owned all the records, Wilson is the closest thing to him. Tarkenton could run and pass. Steve Young in this discussion also..

[Avante]

Look at the careers of any of the legendary QB's, not one of them was at their best pre 30. What Wilson has done pre 30 is remarkable and if you knew what others had done with the same experience then you'd get why I take the stance I do with this guy, yep, rare, unique, special.

I know, I know, different era but.......Joe Montana at the same stage of the career not even in the same ballpark.

2017 was the first season where we heard....MVP...talk for Wilson, why? No running game, a shit line, banged up D and the guy was STILL breaking NFL records, leading the league in TD passes. Smart football fans get this.....the guy was in third and long constantly and STILL made it work, who could have done that running for their lives but.....Russell Wilson?

With a running game, a D the guy wins SB's. With none of that....MVP?

[spurraider21]

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but muh struggle :cry

[Clipper Nation]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/nfl-seahawks-offensive-line-one-man-rush-redskins-russell-wilson

:cry "But, but, it's all everyone else's fault and not Struggle's" :cry

[Avante]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/nfl-seahawks-offensive-line-one-man-rush-redskins-russell-wilson

:cry "But, but, it's all everyone else's fault and not Struggle's" :cry


I'll go slow, you can do this.

IF...it was like this.....handoff to Rawls, a quick 4 yards. A pitchout to Procise, 4 yards. Now it's 3rd and two and that D is thinking...pass? run? So there is no way they can just rush the QB. The Seahawks are winning SB's.

When it's....handoff to Rawls, he's stuffed. A pitchout to Procise, he gains 2 yards. Now it's third and 8, yep....an obvious passing situation so here comes that psas rush and they goes Russell Wilson on the run again. In that situation the Seahawks come up a game short but another pro bowl and some MVP talk for Russell Wilson.

[Avante]

Love it.

Never sat on a bench, never missed a game.

Rookie TD record (with Peyton), a 100 passer rating
Another 100 passer rating.....only QB to have two to start a career
SB Champ

Pro bowls along the way.

Another SB, a yard away from winning two back to back.

110.1 passer rating to lead the NFL

4000/30/500....NFL record

Pro bowls along the way.

NFL record...most 4th quarter TD passes in a season.

NFL leader 34 TD passes

MVP chatter.

Now add all those rushing yards.

All that before 30 years old.

I chanlenge this boad to show me any QB who compares to that before 30. Come on who? Wins, NFL firsts, playoff success, stats, rushing, combined.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How can anyone watch any of those sports talk shows and not hear all those guys raving aout Russell Wilson? Then you come here and here's the guy with the most expereince at this saying the same things. But you know better, how?

I have yet to see anyone address.....why was Wilson in the MVP talk, well? Why is the guy in so many pro bowls, welll?

[Darth_Pelican]

:lol complete meltdown

[Avante]

Notice how nobody even tries to dispute what I'm saying about Wilson? Yep, totally melting down, hahaha!

Take any QB and compare their first six seasons vs Russell Wilson. Nobody did it better.

Who started every game, played in two SB's, set NFL records, led the league with some stats, made four pro bowls.

[Avante]

Will that amazing scramble by Wilson before throwing to the leaping Baldwin be the play of the year in the NFL?


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/seattle-seahawks-russell-wilson-mvp-arizona-cardinals-amazing-scrambling-play-2nd-and-21-incredible-insane-video

[Avante]

Give me the name of a QB with superior QB ratings to this....

2017...95.4
2016...92.6
2015....NFL leading 110.1
2014...95.0
2013...101.2...only QB to ever start out with 100 ratings back to back.
2012...100.0

In his first six seasons Dan Marino only had one 100 rating, a 108.9. Three times he had less than 90. That 108.9 was the only time he hit a 100 rating in his long career, Wilson already has three.

In his first six seasons Tom Brady's best QB rating....92.6, four times less than 90.

How about Drew Brees?

What....67.5? 76.9? Three times under 90, he did have one 100....a 104.8

Is there anyone who compares?

The great Johnny Unitas?

What....66.1, 73.7, 74.0, his best 92.0. In his 18 year career Johnny U never hsd a 100 rating season.

Tom Brady doesn't stack up at all, Aaron Rodgers sat on a bench how long?

How about Brett Favre?

Not even close. actually a...hahaha! Hell, in his 20 year career he only had....one.....100 rating.

Wait a minute..............Peyton Manning.

Nope! his best...99.0 and three times he was under 100.

Could it be the great, amazing , the one and only.....JOE FLACCO...to better RW?

Are you kidding me? The guy has never had a 100 rating, five times he had less than 90.

Hell, "Slingin' " Sammy Baugh?

[Avante]

Stud


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/this-stat-shows-how-important-russell-wilson-is-to-the-seahawks-offense/ar-BBF5G70

[Avante]

Wilson will play the 2018 season as a 30 year old.

So who can find me the QB who did it better than he did before 30? Who?

[Avante]

The fun I have with this Russell Wilson trip is this.....

Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Rodgers will be gone, now think.

Wilson was better than all of them at the same six seasons, think of where he'll be after 12-14 seasons, he's already ahead of them.

[Darth_Pelican]

:lol complete meltdown

[Avante]

I just get a kick out of....

ANOTHER NFL RECORD FOR RUSSELL WILSON. ANOTHER PRO BOWL FOR RUSSELL WILSON.

....it's fun,

[Avante]

So Wilson ges into a big argument with Carroll, he wants out he can't take the beating anymore. Wilson is releashed and can sign with anyone. (yep, fantasy)

Every team in the league except, NE, GB, NO, would jump at the chance to have Russell Wilson.

[Clipper Nation]

I just get a kick out of...

WILSON SCRAMBLES... SACKED FOR A LOSS OF 20! WILSON THROWS... PICKED OFF! AND THE SEAHAWKS MISS THE PLAYOFFS!

...it's fun,

[BD24]

Give me the name of a QB with superior QB ratings to this....

2017...95.4
2016...92.6
2015....NFL leading 110.1
2014...95.0
2013...101.2...only QB to ever start out with 100 ratings back to back.
2012...100.0

In his first six seasons Dan Marino only had one 100 rating, a 108.9. Three times he had less than 90. That 108.9 was the only time he hit a 100 rating in his long career, Wilson already has three.

In his first six seasons Tom Brady's best QB rating....92.6, four times less than 90.

How about Drew Brees?

What....67.5? 76.9? Three times under 90, he did have one 100....a 104.8

Is there anyone who compares?

The great Johnny Unitas?

What....66.1, 73.7, 74.0, his best 92.0. In his 18 year career Johnny U never hsd a 100 rating season.

Tom Brady doesn't stack up at all, Aaron Rodgers sat on a bench how long?

How about Brett Favre?

Not even close. actually a...hahaha! Hell, in his 20 year career he only had....one.....100 rating.

Wait a minute..............Peyton Manning.

Nope! his best...99.0 and three times he was under 100.

Could it be the great, amazing , the one and only.....JOE FLACCO...to better RW?

Are you kidding me? The guy has never had a 100 rating, five times he had less than 90.

Hell, "Slingin' " Sammy Baugh?
I see someone conveniently left Rodgers first 6 seasons as a starter off his faggy list. I wonder why that is. Almost like he was scared Rodgers was gonna ruin his faggy point. That cant be it though.

2008: 93.8
2009: 103.2
2010: 101.2
2011: 122.5
2012: 108.0
2013: 104.9

Now play your faggy, well Rodgers didnt start right away card. Rodgers first 6 years as a starter take a giant shit on Russ's. Thats not to say Russ isn't great, but your cherry picking makes this all pretty obvious.

[Avante]

I just get a kick out of...

WILSON SCRAMBLES... SACKED FOR A LOSS OF 20! WILSON THROWS... PICKED OFF! AND THE SEAHAWKS MISS THE PLAYOFFS!

...it's fun,

Dummy, the Seahawks were a missed FG from making the playoffs. Do you ever ger anything right?

[Avante]

I see someone conveniently left Rodgers first 6 seasons as a starter off his faggy list. I wonder why that is. Almost like he was scared Rodgers was gonna ruin his faggy point. That cant be it though.

2008: 93.8
2009: 103.2
2010: 101.2
2011: 122.5
2012: 108.0
2013: 104.9

Now play your faggy, well Rodgers didnt start right away card. Rodgers first 6 years as a starter take a giant shit on Russ's. Thats not to say Russ isn't great, but your cherry picking makes this all pretty obvious.

I see somebody can't figure out....first six seasons. RW walked right in and took over he never sat on a bench, that is what this is about.

Guy starts from day one, wins a SB, sets numerous NFL records, makes numerous pro bowls, leads the NFL with TD passes, ties rookie TD record, leads the NFL with a 110.1 QB rating, all before 30. And when the players vote for the top 100 players for 2017, what....15? Winningest QB in NFL history after first six seasons.

No QB in NFL history had ever posted back to back 100 QB rating their first two seasons until Russell Wilson.

No QB in NFL history had ever thrown for 4000 yards, scored overr 30 TD's, rushed for over 500 yards in a season until Russell Wilson.

No rookie WB had ever thrown more TD passes than Russell Wilson.

No QB in history has ever thrown more TD passes in the 4th quarter in a season than Russell Wilson.

Who has more passing/rushing yards combined before 30?

His highlights video on a whole other level than anyone elses. The things he can do, stunning~~~~~~~~

Coach....you sit right over here Aaron and learn all you can from Brett, ok?

Coach...it's your team Russell, so just do your thing.

Hopefully you can see the difference there.

This season with no line, no running game what were we hearing/reading, yep.....MVP??? How anyone who understand this game can't see the greatness ......??????????

[Clipper Nation]

Dummy, the Seahawks were a missed FG from making the playoffs. Do you ever ger anything right?

The Seahawks were a real QB from making the playoffs.

[Avante]

The Seahawks were a real QB from making the playoffs.

So, Aex Smith, Marcus Mariota, Blake Bortles, Case Keenum, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan are all better than Russell Wilson?

Dude, tell us all again about how Tom Savage....hahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~ Why this idiot even talks QB's...????

Shouldn't Derek Anderson be starting instead of Cam Newton? Dude, you are retarded.

Dude, Wilson is in ANOTHER pro bowl, why does he make so many, now think, ok?

I always wonder what goes thru this idiots head when he's watching a Seahawks game and those tv announcers are raving about Wilson. He's magical, awesome, only Russell Wilson can do that....etc etc. Then the dummy comes here and here I am a guy who has seen them all since the late 50's raving about Russell Wilson. Real easy to see how this dummy could say......TOM SAVAGE THE BEST QB IN TEXAS, PERIOD.

[Avant]

Yes he is;)

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPBXoH2XNpM

[Millennial_Messiah]

I like Seattle but I think Carroll is a senile old idiot who still kicks and punts on 4th and short like a geriatric John Fox piece of shit.

I'm really rooting for Wilson to go to Chicago, mostly because of my schadenfreude against GB. Finally some real competition in the NFC North would be excellent.