Game Thread: Spurs vs Grizzlies -- Wed. (11/29) - 7:30/C (3:30am Riga Time)

[8FOR!3]

Didn't realize Kawhi's had 40 point games yet. For some reason I thought Pop kept pulling him early before he could get to 40 lol.

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[sasaint]

If KL has a return night like Tony we are good.
Physically Tony looked amazingly good.

Stats are secondary but fortunately they were good as well.

Ton's first 2 games back have blown me away. A true, veteran PG makes this team look very different.

I am also thinking that 50Mills might ultimately be a big beneficiary of Tony's return. Get him back with the bench unit in a more familiar role. Well, I can hope, can't I?

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[Rocalcio]

Am I the only person enjoying Spurs games? :lol

Hard to believe since it seems you don’t like anyone in the roster...

[sasaint]

Great win. LA beasted tonight and wouldn't let us lose this one. Tony looks good out there so far and Patty showed up late. Love it.



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I hope we don't have to rely on LMA to put up 40 to win in Memphis on Friday.

[dabom]

Hard to believe since it seems you don’t like anyone in the roster...

What? :lol

[DAF86]

Hard to believe since it seems you don’t like anyone in the roster...

He likes everybody but Anderson and Tony, tbh.

[SAGirl]

Pop did the same with Murray on the previous game. The plan is for Tony to play 15 minutes total, the first 5 minutes of the first three quarters. That's why Murray has been starting the 4th.
i had forgotten about that appearance last game. I might have discounted it bc it was Messina and didn't think much of it. Messina ended up taking up reins in a game that Pop was halfway about to throw out.

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[DPG21920]

A few miscues but ultimately great job taking care of business at home vs a team on the ropes. LMA truly has been a stud and what the Spurs are doing now we usually take for granted. They just win no matter what at an incredible pace (still on pace for 50+ wins with no Kawhi).

But the difference in these wins is we have OKC healthy and struggling to compare this to. Makes it really pop how good the Spurs are.

I can’t wait to get Kawhi back. The fact that SA has been a top 5 defense without Kawhi bodes so well. It will only improve with him and hopefully the offense will too.

[BatManu20]

A few miscues but ultimately great job taking care of business at home vs a team on the ropes. LMA truly has been a stud and what the Spurs are doing now we usually take for granted. They just win no matter what at an incredible pace (still on pace for 50+ wins with no Kawhi).

But the difference in these wins is we have OKC healthy and struggling to compare this to. Makes it really pop how good the Spurs are.

I can’t wait to get Kawhi back. The fact that SA has been a top 5 defense without Kawhi bodes so well. It will only improve with him and hopefully the offense will too.

Dilly dilly!

[SAGirl]

No worries daugther(?), the closer got this.
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I had to....
not enough reference to daughter :) in these forums. :toast

It was a good game. Pop making these games thrilling with his mad scientist rotations... :lol

LMA 33 last game and 41 here. That leadership. :lma

[dabom]

He likes everybody but Anderson and Tony, tbh.

Yup, pretty much.

[SAGirl]

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I got to give it to that fan.
He knew what he was doing.
Without our knowing... LMA ended up negotiating an extension... HIm getting happy was important to start the season.

also, this team has a lot of chemistry and seems happy to play together. spurs teams are always like that, but last years team had not coalesced like this. subjectively.

[spurs1990]

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Now That’s just stupid. 55 wins w/o a top 5 guy. I serious think they’ll get 60 once KL is ready

[DPG21920]

We do have to pump the breaks some. Spurs are doing very well all things considered but they aren’t beating all kinds of quality teams. They are winning the games they need to win without Kawhi but have struggled some with the higher caliber teams.

[spursistan]

We do have to pump the breaks some. Spurs are doing very well all things considered but they aren’t beating all kinds of quality teams. They are winning the games they need to win without Kawhi but have struggled some with the higher caliber teams.
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[DAF86]

We do have to pump the breaks some. Spurs are doing very well all things considered but they aren’t beating all kinds of quality teams. They are winning the games they need to win without Kawhi but have struggled some with the higher caliber teams.

Definitely. It is a shame Kawhi is out because we could be looking at the best record in the NBA right now.

[DPG21920]

Definitely. It is a shame Kawhi is out because we could be looking at the best record in the NBA right now.

For sure. It might end up being a blessing in disguise though honestly. Lot’s of LMA confidence, Kyle getting lots of minutes, Rudy learning and learning to play high level defense in the system even without relying on Kawhi making it easier.

The offense has struggled some so the warts are there, but overall this could be a very good thing as a lot of guys have gotten quality minutes and if Pop has to rest kawhi there will be units that understand how to play with each other.

[$pursDynasty]

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LMA 33 last game and 41 here. That leadership. :lma
The :lma is happy that MVParker is back, helped him go Super Saiyan 3. I am curious as to what comes next...50???

[Mr. Body]

We do have to pump the breaks some. Spurs are doing very well all things considered but they aren’t beating all kinds of quality teams. They are winning the games they need to win without Kawhi but have struggled some with the higher caliber teams.

But there aren't a lot of higher caliber teams.

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[SAGirl]

For sure. It might end up being a blessing in disguise though honestly. Lot’s of LMA confidence, Kyle getting lots of minutes, Rudy learning and learning to play high level defense in the system even without relying on Kawhi making it easier.

The offense has struggled some so the warts are there, but overall this could be a very good thing as a lot of guys have gotten quality minutes and if Pop has to rest kawhi there will be units that understand how to play with each other.
That's the only reason I am hyped... it's not about them in isolation but the fact that the team will be so much better when they get Kawhi back.
Lamarcus is in a good groove and the young guys have gotten much needed experience and earned Pop's trust and that Pau Gasol also had opportunity to develop chemistry with Lamarcus, which was really poor last season, etc. There are many ways in which the team is improved without any roster changes. Internal development, adjustments to sets, chemistry, etc.

They are missing however one good quality big for depth. I don't think Joff has been good and despite pulling for Davis, he has lost Pop's trust that he had earned from last season. It's appalling how the two of Joff and Davis have fallen off, but one feels like if Pau or LMA needs a rest game, that is a going to be a guaranteed scheduled loss. The team needs 1 backup center and neither Joff or Davis are one. A trade perhaps?

[raybies]

We do have to pump the breaks some. Spurs are doing very well all things considered but they aren’t beating all kinds of quality teams. They are winning the games they need to win without Kawhi but have struggled some with the higher caliber teams.
nah i'm gonna enjoy this. Half the board thought we were a lottery team without Kawhi, and how we had no talent and he was alone and PATFO should be ashamed and we hope Kawhi leaves. I'm the only one on the entire board that said we were a top 3 team in the West without Kawhi, even got called out on it. This feels good tbh. We've had some big wins too. Every win without Kawhi is worth more than face value and shouldn't be seen as "we should have won". This team is missing an MVP-DPOY level talent and we are near the top of the league and we are still playing just ok with lots to improve on. Every win without him is one for the gipper so to speak. And when he comes back, it's exciting to think we have a shot for best record in the league. This team is title contender.

[DAF86]

nah i'm gonna enjoy this. Half the board thought we were a lottery team without Kawhi, and how we had no talent and he was alone and PATFO should be ashamed and we hope Kawhi leaves. I'm the only one on the entire board that said we were a top 3 team in the West without Kawhi, even got called out on it. This feels good tbh. We've had some big wins too. Every win without Kawhi is worth more than face value and shouldn't be seen as "we should have won". This team is missing an MVP-DPOY level talent and we are near the top of the league and we are still playing just ok with lots to improve on. Every win without him is one for the gipper so to speak. And when he comes back, it's exciting to think we have a shot for best record in the league. This team is title contender.

The thing is we probably aren't a top 3 team on the west without Kawhi. Heck, we may not even be a top 4 or top 5 team (Minnesota and Blazers probably beat us on a playoffs series sans Kawhi). Spurs are just taking care of business with this easy schedule they have had so far.

So yeah, I would ease up a bit with the exaggerated enthusiasm. Things are going just according to plan, not better nor worse.

[LakerHater]

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[raybies]

The thing is we probably aren't a top 3 team on the west without Kawhi. Heck, we may not even be a top 4 or top 5 team (Minnesota and Blazers probably beat us on a playoffs series sans Kawhi). Spurs are just taking care of business with this easy schedule they have had so far.
I didn't say playoffs in my original post, i said season. I know we don't have a chance without him in the playoffs, and by that I mean to go far. And say what you want about easy schedule, Kawhi makes us elite and takes us to the next level. Without him we're just a regular team, so in that aspect every team has a chance against us any given night. We are winning games. Easy schedule or not all that does is take away from what they have accomplished which is remarkable. Spurs strength of schedule is 25th right now and guess who's underneath them, the Cavs. We have the same record as them and they have LeBron.

But c'mon, why side with the trolls when most of them thought we'd be terrible and now we are just doing what we should be doing? It's laughable.

[SAGirl]

The thing is we probably aren't a top 3 team on the west without Kawhi. Heck, we may not even be a top 4 or top 5 team (Minnesota and Blazers probably beat us on a playoffs series sans Kawhi). Spurs are just taking care of business with this easy schedule they have had so far.

So yeah, I would ease up a bit with the exaggerated enthusiasm. Things are going just according to plan, not better nor worse.
your moderate approach is not reflective of the sentiment around here that things would go south real quick. taking care of business can't be taken for granted either. There was once a time this team was in a 4 game losing skid not playing well. Nobody would have said they would be doing this well except raybies and brooklynspurfan and a few other spurfan postiive faithfuls (I don't even claim that for myself, I waver inn opinons a lot.)

Not with the way Mills has been shooting, not with Manu being 40 and TO the ball 3 or 4 times in a record minutes, not with Pop relying on rooks, not with Murray awful summer league and acknowledgemnt that he can't shoot, now with Pop relying on 2nd season guys that had not played well last season, not with Kyle playing something like the third most minutes in the team or something, not with the Lamarsha, Lasoftus, Gasoft the soft towers crew to anchor the team (per the troll crew), not with Rudy with that achilles in unknown status. ask all the hate crews here how this was going to go just 2o games ago if they knew Kawhi (and Tony) wouldn't be back until lets say mid december and you get a different story from where the team is at.

I am going to enjoy this too like raybies said.

spurfan is spoiled.

[raybies]

your moderate approach is not reflective of the sentiment around here that things would south real quick. taking care of business can't be taken for granted either. Not the way Mills has been shooting, not with Manu being 40, not with Pop relying on rooks, and 2nd season guys that had not played well last season, not with Kyle playing something like the third most minutes in the team or something, not with the Lamarsha, Lasoftus, Gasoft the soft towers crew to anchor the team (per the troll crew), not with Rudy with that achilles in unknown status. ask all the hate crews here how this was going to go just 2 games ago if they knew Kawhi wouldn't be back until lets say mid december and you get a different story from where the team is at.

I am going to enjoy this too like raybies said.

spurfan is spoiled.

Well put. That's kind of where I was going and you laid it all out.

[DAF86]

I didn't say playoffs in my original post, i said season. I know we don't have a chance without him in the playoffs, and by that I mean to go far. And say what you want about easy schedule, Kawhi makes us elite and takes us to the next level. Without him we're just a regular team, so in that aspect every team has a chance against us any given night. We are winning games. Easy schedule or not all that does is take away from what they have accomplished which is remarkable. Spurs strength of schedule is 25th right now and guess who's underneath them, the Cavs. We have the same record as them and they have LeBron.

But c'mon, why side with the trolls when most of them thought we'd be terrible and now we are just doing what we should be doing? It's laughable.

I'm not siding with the trolls. I'm just applying perspective. I don't share this opinion that you have to be an insufferable homer to fight back the insufferable cliff jumpers, tbh.

And no, I'm not talking about playoffs only either. I can assure you that if Kawhi were to miss the entire regular season the Spurs wouldn't finish top 3 in the West. We are there now only because, thankfully, we have had a pretty favorable schedule so far that has allowed us to stay afloat in Kawhi's absence.

[DAF86]

your moderate approach is not reflective of the sentiment around here that things would go south real quick. taking care of business can't be taken for granted either. There was once a time this team was in a 4 game losing skid not playing well. Nobody would have said they would be doing this well except raybies and brooklynspurfan and a few other spurfan postiive faithfuls (I don't even claim that for myself, I waver inn opinons a lot.)

Not with the way Mills has been shooting, not with Manu being 40 and TO the ball 3 or 4 times in a record minutes, not with Pop relying on rooks, not with Murray awful summer league and acknowledgemnt that he can't shoot, now with Pop relying on 2nd season guys that had not played well last season, not with Kyle playing something like the third most minutes in the team or something, not with the Lamarsha, Lasoftus, Gasoft the soft towers crew to anchor the team (per the troll crew), not with Rudy with that achilles in unknown status. ask all the hate crews here how this was going to go just 2o games ago if they knew Kawhi (and Tony) wouldn't be back until lets say mid december and you get a different story from where the team is at.

I am going to enjoy this too like raybies said.

spurfan is spoiled.

Mmh, yes they would. In fact, most of the people did. Your problem is focusing too much on the negative folks, tbh.

[raybies]

I'm not siding with the trolls. I'm just applying perspective. I don't share this opinion that you have to be an insufferable homer to fight back the insufferable cliff jumpers, tbh.

And no, I'm not talking about playoffs only either. I can assure you that if Kawhi were to miss the entire regular season the Spurs wouldn't finish top 3 in the West. We are there now only because, thankfully, we have had a pretty favorable schedule so far that has allowed us to stay afloat in Kawhi's absence.

I'll have to disagree on that and hope we don't have to find out.

as for being a homer, I guess that's what a fan is called nowadays... ...like being a fan is some sophisticated thing.

[SAGirl]

Mmh, yes they would. In fact, most of the people did. Your problem is focusing too much on the negative folks, tbh.
...might be. not to be hard on you as you are quite moderate... but let the guys enjoy this.
I don't take any of these wins for granted personally. It's really easy for any of these games to get away. Last game in the 2nd Q when Pop got thrown out, team was in disarray. Look at the magic they were in a 9 game losing streak. This team once lost 4 in a row and they had no one else besides Lamarcus playing well at the time. It's almost like I have to travel back in time and pull up Patty's horrible chucking, Manu TO the ball, Kyle missing shots left and right (he's increased his efficiency lately but he didn't start shooting well either), Pau looking passive passing on shots. He once had a 0-6 FG came out with 0 points just this season. Not even Kyle has had a 0 pt or fg game. He wasn't playing well. There is a lot that was in question. It would have been really easy to give up when they were down 23 pts against OKC with no real firepower or playmakers to come back from that game. Not a tirade on Patty but he had been really bad, couldn't run a single PnR to get LmA a quality shot. And i think it was Manu who had like 5 TO that game... Danny had a 6 TO game against the bucks... that was a close winnable game. If they had Tony for 15 minutes maybe they win it, anyways. it's been a short journey but they are better than how they started and still have room to grow.

[DAF86]

I'll have to disagree on that and hope we don't have to find out.

as for being a homer, I guess that's what a fan is called nowadays... ...like being a fan is some sophisticated thing.

So just because I don't suck up to every little thing the Spurs do I'm not a fan? How old are you, 12?

[raybies]

So just because I don't suck up to every little thing the Spurs do I'm not a fan? How old are you, 12?
YES 12 IN MY HEART! BUT FOR MY SPURS!

[SAGirl]

YES 12 IN MY HEART! BUT FOR MY SPURS!
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this was funny. made me laugh pour up a cold brew.

[DAF86]

...might be. not to be hard on you as you are quite moderate... but let the guys enjoy this.
I don't take any of these wins for granted personally. It's really easy for any of these games to get away. Last game in the 2nd Q when Pop got thrown out, team was in disarray. Look at the magic they were in a 9 game losing streak. This team once lost 4 in a row and they had no one else besides Lamarcus playing well at the time. It's almost like I have to travel back in time and pull up Patty's horrible chucking, Manu TO the ball, Kyle missing shots left and right (he's increased his efficiency lately but he didn't start shooting well either), Pau looking passive passing on shots. He once had a 0-6 FG came out with 0 points just this season. Not even Kyle has had a 0 pt or fg game. He wasn't playing well. There is a lot that was in question. It would have been really easy to give up when they were down 23 pts against OKC with no real firepower or playmakers to come back from that game. Not a tirade on Patty but he had been really bad, couldn't run a single PnR to get LmA a quality shot. And i think it was Manu who had like 5 TO that game... Danny had a 6 TO game against the bucks... that was a close winnable game. If they had Tony for 15 minutes maybe they win it, anyways. it's been a short journey but they are better than how they started and still have room to grow.

I'm enjoying this winning streak as much as the next guy. I'm just putting things into perspective so that when the schedule starts to even out, folks don't get discouraged or start to freak out.

If the "positive guys" start to bump their chests now after a couple of wins, the "negative guys" will do the same after a couple of losses. And they create a never ending cycle of calling each other out. Both are equally toxic, tbh. The best thing to do is to stay level and with a long vision mentality.

[raybies]

I'm enjoying this winning streak as much as the next guy. I'm just putting things into perspective so that when the schedule starts to even out, folks don't get discouraged or start to freak out.

If the "positive guys" start to bump their chests now after a couple of wins, the "negative guys" will do the same after a couple of losses. And they create a never ending cycle of calling each other out. Both are equally toxic, tbh. The best thing to do is to stay level and with a long vision mentality.
That's some wise words. But trolls are not gonna stop trolling tbh. So then what, let the loud mouths run the show? Can't have that. There's some good fans here.

[Rocalcio]

What? :lol


You keep shitting on players.

[Rocalcio]

He likes everybody but Anderson and Tony, tbh.

And can't admit when those two play well.

[TheDoctor]

Love watching forum member switching from their troll agendas to now insightful posters :lmao

Love ya ST <3

[Stabula]

Marc Gasol couldn't even outscore Tony Parker on his second game back with heavy minutes restrictions after "rooking" their head coach :lmao

[bklynspursfan]

I'm enjoying this winning streak as much as the next guy. I'm just putting things into perspective so that when the schedule starts to even out, folks don't get discouraged or start to freak out.

If the "positive guys" start to bump their chests now after a couple of wins, the "negative guys" will do the same after a couple of losses. And they create a never ending cycle of calling each other out. Both are equally toxic, tbh. The best thing to do is to stay level and with a long vision mentality.

I don't think this win streak is jaw dropping or anything personally. They've played OK basketball, and have looked pretty out of sync at times, which isn't totally uncommon for this time of year. But like I said earlier, they're sitting at #3 ,1 game in the L column behind the Warriors, and haven't had 2 starters, 1 being an MVP level player. While they obviously haven't peaked or played their best ball, all things considered, they aren't in terrible shape. The 2 losses that annoyed me the most were Indy/Milwaukee cause they were both very winnable, but those losses will happen.

I'm also not going to consider our team done or trash if they drop some winnable games, or blow a lead, because I do know it's a marathon, not a sprint and those things tend to happen to all teams. I think many people on here look at each game as a must win and consider the world ending if they don't win every game. I think those type of posters kind of spoil it for everyone who want to have legit discussions on the state of teams performance overall.

[DPG21920]

You can both enjoy the season and temper expectations at the same time.

[bklynspursfan]

You can both enjoy the season and temper expectations at the same time.

Most definitely

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[Stabula]

Tony comes back and LaTouches has a 40pt game. Coincidence? Idk

[DAF86]

Help a no english native speaker up. What does Aldroodles make reference to?

[TheDoctor]

Help a no english native speaker up. What does Aldroodles make reference to?

The reference is to HEB's Spurs commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxKnla_Syhs

[sasaint]

Help a no english native speaker up. What does Aldroodles make reference to?

A local TV commercial for a grocery store chain that uses Spurs players for most of its in-season promos.

[raybies]

Tony comes back and LaTouches has a 40pt game. Coincidence? Idk
32 pt game and now a 42 pt game averaging like 35 pts since Tony came back. They have great chemistry.

[DAF86]

The reference is to HEB's Spurs commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxKnla_Syhs


A local TV commercial for a grocery store chain that uses Spurs players for most of its in-season promos.

Thanks sons.

[DAF86]

Tony comes back and LaTouches has a 40pt game. Coincidence? Idk


32 pt game and now a 42 pt game averaging like 35 pts since Tony came back. They have great chemistry.

You say because LA was doing so bad before Tony got back? :lol

[raybies]

You say because LA was doing so bad before Tony got back? :lol
Nah, key the x files music lol. Either Parker or the fact we played Dallas and Memphis... But all in all, Tony's ability to penetrate gives him the mid range j at the top anytime he wants and if he's in rhythm, it's easy money. I think having Tony diversifies his looks, cause Tony is well experienced in collapsing the defense. DJ could do it to some degree with little confidence, and Patty looks his shots more and when he does collapse the d he doesn't afford LMA the type of space that Parker can cause his finishing ability.

[DAF86]

Nah, key the x files music lol. Either Parker or the fact we played Dallas and Memphis... But all in all, Tony's ability to penetrate gives him the mid range j at the top anytime he wants and if he's in rhythm, it's easy money. I think having Tony diversifies his looks, cause Tony is well experienced in collapsing the defense. DJ could do it to some degree with little confidence, and Patty looks his shots more and when he does collapse the d he doesn't afford LMA the type of space that Parker can cause his finishing ability.

Aldridge has been huge this season and Parker only played 32 total minutes so far. Last year Parker and Aldridge shared the entire season and LA sucked ass.

LA sucking or doing well will depend solely on himself, tbh.

[raybies]

Aldridge has been huge this season and Parker only played 32 total minutes so far. Last year Parker and Aldridge shared the entire season and LA sucked ass.

LA sucking or doing well will depend solely on himself, tbh.
I agree with the latter statement. Just to comment on the first, half of Parker's 9 assists are probably from Aldridge I'd assume. At least that's my personal eye test. But as far as last year is concerned, comfort level and touches played a big role in that.

[Stabula]

Nah, key the x files music lol. Either Parker or the fact we played Dallas and Memphis... But all in all, Tony's ability to penetrate gives him the mid range j at the top anytime he wants and if he's in rhythm, it's easy money. I think having Tony diversifies his looks, cause Tony is well experienced in collapsing the defense. DJ could do it to some degree with little confidence, and Patty looks his shots more and when he does collapse the d he doesn't afford LMA the type of space that Parker can cause his finishing ability.

Agreed. Ask any NBA vet or Brent Barry, you have to respect Tony's penetration.

[Stabula]

Aldridge has been huge this season and Parker only played 32 total minutes so far. Last year Parker and Aldridge shared the entire season and LA sucked ass.

LA sucking or doing well will depend solely on himself, tbh.

LMA plays better with Tony on the floor. That's all I'm saying here.

[DAF86]

LMA plays better with Tony on the floor. That's all I'm saying here.

LA plays better when he is engaged, it doesn't who he plays with. That's all I'm saying.

[sasaint]

LMA plays better with Tony on the floor. That's all I'm saying here.

I said the same thing last season. Then somebody posted some stats that showed that LMA's numbers do, indeed, improve when He shares floor time with Tony.

[TheDoctor]

Agreed. Ask any NBA vet or Brent Barry, you have to respect Tony's penetration.
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[raybies]

LA plays better when he is engaged, it doesn't who he plays with. That's all I'm saying.
Read the Express News today. They said the same thing about LMA playing better with Tony. With some quotes as well. Also like I said about half of Tony's assists have been to LMA, something the article pointed out too.

[DAF86]

Read the Express News today. They said the same thing about LMA playing better with Tony. With some quotes as well. Also like I said about half of Tony's assists have been to LMA, something the article pointed out too.

Yeah, I know a lot of people say that. It's one of those common phrases that people create and just roll with it without thinking. Something like "Kobe is clutch" or "Manu is the ultimate competitor" and shit like that which hold no empirical sustenance. So Manu competed harder than Tim Duncan? Manu wanted to win more than Duncan? How can you prove that?

The same shit happens here. So Tony about half of Tony's assists have been to LA? Well, guess what? Mills' too. On the last game everybody talks about how much Tony set Aldridge up, but Mills and Manu assisted LA in just as much baskets as Tony.

Of course having a guy that plays the pick and roll as well as Tony does can help LA, but folks here are overating as fuck that fact, tbh. Like I said earlier, the only thing that will determine how good LA will be is himself.