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lilmads
10-18-2005, 10:40 AM
Will Heat have too many stars?
Published October 16, 2005
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketball/magic/orl-nbainsider1605oct16,0,2885041.column?coll=orl-magic

One ball won't be enough for this team.

The Miami Heat will visit Tampa this week as the most intriguing, most star-stacked team in the Eastern Conference, but getting past the Detroit Pistons and Indiana Pacers next spring and into the NBA Finals won't be as easy as it looks.

There might be too many cooks trying to stir the pot, too many hands calling for the only ball on the court.

The offseason addition of Gary Payton, Jason Williams and Antoine Walker -- to the dynamic duo of Shaquille O'Neal and Dwayne Wade -- gives the Heat five players who are accustomed to initiating and facilitating offense.

Things have run smoothly during the exhibition schedule -- when everyone plays half speed -- but it's hard to believe it will work when the real games begin.

Although it looks like Walker and Payton will be used in reserve, at least to start the season, it's going to get frustrating at crunch time when their competitive fires begin to flare. Miami might look like an all-star team instead of a championship team.

The Heat missed the Finals last season after a Game 7 loss to Detroit in the Eastern Conference, but only because O'Neal and Wade both were playing hurt. All Miami needed was a little tinkering.

Heat President Pat Riley, though, couldn't resist when the new guys came available. The Magic will get their first up-close look Tuesday in Tampa for a preseason game against the Magic.

"Change is usually a big part of a team getting over the hump,'' Riley told reporters during training camp. "My whole take on this thing, is that what people don't understand is last year we had two great players, but you need more talent. You can never have enough talent.''

Riley's belief is that O'Neal will police the others, making sure everyone understands his role. Coach Stan Van Gundy said it's not a matter of more talent, but of everyone's willingness to mesh.

"I think they [critics] miss the point,'' Van Gundy said during training camp. "You can cite cases where very talented teams didn't get the job done, for whatever reason. But that's not the result of having too much talent. It may be a factor of a team not having enough character, enough people willing to sacrifice. But it really doesn't have anything to do with the talent.''

Spurs look strong

The defending champion San Antonio Spurs, who have won three of the past seven NBA titles, might be better prepared than ever to win this season.

More than anyone, the Spurs have understood the concept of designing a team with a roster of guys who fit specific roles, and all understand what the pecking order is.

"This is the deepest team we've had talent-wise,'' Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich said during the early days of camp. "What I'm hoping is that it ends up being the deepest team we've had, knowledge-wise, with professionalism and basketball IQ.''

In San Antonio, it starts with Tim Duncan, who defines everyone else's role. Manu Ginobili has emerged as the second chair without getting in the way of point guard Tony Parker. Now veteran Michael Finley has moved into the mix, waiting to see where he can fit around Duncan.

Popovich is excited by the fact that neither Duncan nor Ginobili played on their national teams this summer. A year ago, they came to training camp looking a little weary after a tough summer of intense basketball.

"This is the best Timmy's body has looked and the best he's probably felt coming into preseason in three seasons,'' Popovich said. "He's got some quickness. He's got stamina. He's slimmer. His body just looks great.''

Welcome back, Bo

It was good to see the return of popular Bo Outlaw and some of the Everyman ways he brings back to the Magic. Teammate Grant Hill was asked last week who was the cheapest teammate he had. He started laughing because Outlaw was walking past at the time.

"It has to be Bo. A couple years ago when he was here, we got these Subway cards [which were good for a free sub every day], and that's all Bo ever ate that season,'' Hill said. "Every day, it was tuna melt from Subway. He didn't eat anything else that whole year.''

Casey cracks down

It didn't take long for the Minnesota Timberwolves players to test first-year head Coach Dwane Casey and see how far they could push him. Talented but enigmatic center Michael Olowokandi tried to show up late for the first open-to-the-public scrimmage last weekend. When Olowokandi was on the way but already tardy, Casey called him on his cell phone and told him to return home and not to bother showing up late. Olowokandi blamed the traffic, but Casey told him it didn't matter.

Around the Rim

You can already tell it's going to be a long season in Toronto, where the Raptors won only 33 games and promise to be worse this season with so many young faces. Jalen Rose, one of their only true veterans, was asked how many of his teammates were proven NBA commodities, and how many were question marks. After turning around to survey the teammates, he turned back. "No comment,'' he responded.

Even at age 37, Darrell Armstrong still is playing like the young, hungry player he once was with the Magic. According to one report out of Dallas, while all-star Dirk Nowitzki was sleep-walking through a recent scrimmage, Armstrong took back-to-back charges from opposing guards, changing the whole tone of the practice. It's why Mavs Coach Avery Johnson wanted Armstrong back this season, even though he is well past his prime.

The idea of a dress code is not going over well with many NBA players, at least the part of adhering to it away from the arena. "There's a certain amount of professionalism you should show coming and going from games,'' said the Nets Richard Jefferson. "But with all the planes, and travel, and getting into so many places so late, you're worried about the image being shown to people working the graveyard shift at the airport in Cleveland?"

The extreme youth-movement going on in Atlanta isn't sitting well with everyone. Before the Magic played the Hawks, veteran Al Harrington was asked about the nervousness being shown by some of the team's rookies, including Marvin Williams. "It's only going to get tougher for these cats, so they have to raise up to meet the challenge,'' Harrington said. "The bottom line is if you need a baby sitter in this league, you shouldn't be here.''
A Final Thought: All the attention is on the Heat, but the Spurs will be better.

Tim Povtak can be reached at [email protected].

lilmads
10-18-2005, 10:41 AM
More than the Heat, I'm thinking the Spurs may have too many stars. Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Finley, Oberto, and Excel... that's a lot of people to score... I really hope Popovich can do a good job and get them to win another championship!

2centsworth
10-18-2005, 10:47 AM
Heat only have two stars, shaq and wade. The rest of the team are borderline scrubs.

boutons
10-18-2005, 10:52 AM
Orlando Sentinel should worry about the Magic,not the Heat.

The Heat have only 2 stars, but they probably have too many gunners (gunner <> scorer).

The question is whether Stan can exploit whatever he has, a question that isn't even raised about Pop.

team-work
10-18-2005, 11:38 AM
The most important thing is that Shaq is on the downside of his career. Although he begins the pre-season well, he most likely will not survive the intense season without significant injuries, just like last season. And the Heat will fade out of the championship picture.

TDMVPDPOY
10-18-2005, 11:52 AM
^thats good to hear and im lookin forward to it seein the heat crumble again

Mr_MVP21
10-18-2005, 01:59 PM
Exactly. It's hard to imagine Shaq being healthy for a full season. When was the last time he didn't get injured in a season?

Miami will struggle to gel together and their personalities will demand to have more touches with the ball. I don't see how Shaq will "police" his fellow team members to play the right way. He certainly didn't "police" Kobe when he was feuding with him in the Lakers.

The only person I see who will be caught in the middle of all this mess is Dwayne Wade.

cheguevara
10-18-2005, 02:04 PM
A team with Shaq even on one leg will still contend for a title. I suspect the reason they won't win it is not gonna be shaq, it's gonna be the role players once again.

Mr_MVP21
10-18-2005, 02:05 PM
True. As last year showed, Shaq with one leg will make the Heat contenders but they won't win it. :fro

PM5K
10-18-2005, 02:17 PM
It's not so much that they have too many stars, it's moreso that they have guys that don't compliment each other particularly well.

The Spurs are totally different, we have the exact same starters we had before, we only added depth, and those guys know (Van X and Fin) what their rolls are on this team...

cheguevara
10-18-2005, 02:20 PM
Good point. Compared to Spurs, the Heat have a looong way to figure out their gameplan. Williams and Walker will need to be more involved than VanX and Finley but at the same time up to what extent??

TwoHandJam
10-18-2005, 03:23 PM
The fact that the ball hogging is already rampant in preseason should be troubling. If squabbling sets in, things could get downright ugly. I think Posey and JWill can be controlled to a certain extent but I've never seen Walker or Payton amount to anything more than cancers throughout their careers.

Walker will be a particularly hard player to rein in. His ball-hogging ways are legendary. Dig this article:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiuAat7lTCDuad8RYhB.DKm8vLYF?slug=ap-heat-growingpains&prov=ap&type=lgns




With many new faces, Heat working through some growing pains

By TIM REYNOLDS, AP Sports Writer
October 17, 2005

MIAMI (AP) -- Winning and losing is practically irrelevant now to the Miami Heat, because the slates get wiped clean when the regular season starts in about two weeks.

Still, there's a tangible sense of urgency coming from Heat coach Stan Van Gundy these days -- not based on his team's 1-2 preseason record, but stemming from the high-turnover, offensively troubled brand of basketball the club has displayed in those exhibitions.

The Heat are averaging 22.7 turnovers per game in the preseason, which continues on Tuesday night at home against the Orlando Magic. Miami is shooting 31.7 percent from 3-point range, 61.9 percent from the foul line, and the Heat are playing far from the level Van Gundy would prefer to see two weeks into training camp.

``What we have is a lot of guys capable of making plays,'' Van Gundy said Monday. ``And what happens a lot is every guy who has the ball is trying to make that play and there's nobody just willing to make a simple play and throw the ball back on a pick and roll and let the offense develop and make the defense move.''

With all the new faces -- including Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, Gary Payton and James Posey -- joining holdovers like Dwyane Wade, Shaquille O'Neal and Udonis Haslem, the Heat expected to deal with some inevitable growing pains while trying to figure out how all the new pieces will fit together.

For their part, players seem largely unworried about the preseason problems.

``You can't go to a red alert right now. You can't call 911,'' Payton said. ``You've got to let it all happen. We've got 82 games. It's good that we've got these eight preseason games. We've been through three, we've got five more. We've got a lot of time to focus. We're going to be OK. We're going to be fine.''

Van Gundy's primary complaint -- at least after each of Miami's last two games -- has revolved around the lack of ball movement. He's seeing too many of his players try to take defenders off the dribble and create shots for themselves, instead of fully buying into the system the Heat is trying to install.

A sweeping case of me-first selfishness doesn't seem to be the problem.

Mainly, it's habit, what the new Heat players have been called upon to do in the past.

``When you're in the game, your instincts take over. You want to be the player you've always been,'' Wade said. ``Until you get comfortable in your role, then it's going to be tough. And I think that's what we're going through right now. Everybody's used to being a playmaker. Guys don't have to do that any more. It can get easier for them now. We have to learn that.''

Added O'Neal, who says he'll make sure the Heat jells into a championship-caliber unit: ``Right now, this is the phone call preceding to the date. The phone call can go good, the phone call can go bad. But remember, it's not how you start the date, it's how you finish the date. We don't have any problems.''

Following Tuesday's game, the Heat have three full days to prepare for their next exhibition, coming Saturday at Detroit. That starts a four-game, six-night run to close the preseason, after which Miami will have six more days before opening the regular season in Memphis.

There's still time to get it right, but Van Gundy wants that process to accelerate soon.

``What I expect is that we play harder,'' Van Gundy said. ``Play with more energy and life. ... Yeah, there's a sense of urgency to start getting it right. There's a sense of urgency to start playing the game better together and moving the ball.''

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When you go out of your way to stress that everything's fine, everything is usually not fine. We'll see.

SLOVENIAN 8
10-18-2005, 03:44 PM
More than the Heat, I'm thinking the Spurs may have too many stars. Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Finley, Oberto, and Excel... that's a lot of people to score... I really hope Popovich can do a good job and get them to win another championship!


Wtf???? Oberto star??? The guy dont even play 1 official NBA game and he is already a star??? :lol